@@RobertStoll tracing vs heavily referencing is different though tracing implies you put the imagine down and one for one drew over it you can still block out an exact pose and copy it one for one while changing the character etc When i started learning how to draw comic book characters it's what i did. Took old comic books and drew them one for one down to the last detail but changing the characters design etc. of course as a professional artist this isn't an excuse for being lazy and outright replicating someone's art but that's a moral grey area. Just look up DTIYS and you'll find some perfect examples of what I mean
@@DragowonDeez I don't think Butch Heartman should have been selling artwork then used a beginner crutch. It's all well and good to use that kind of direct reference to learn. It's another to monetize traced works.
I never heard of butch stealing art work where do you get this info? And if you have time can you tell me pics he traced I used to be a huge butch fan @@RobertStoll
Now I know who to avoid when buying comics. The biggest reasons why I get comics is 1, my dad loves it. So it’s a nice thing to bond over and 2, the art. And no way I’m gonna buy art from an artists who steals and uses ai when they have the ability to draw in their own. Dude is a disgrace to comic book artists. And just artists in general.
@@RobertStoll ehh until there’s proof they all do this with ALL their artwork, im still gonna get it. I will not go based off assumptions, rather evidence.
@@BurntGrilledChezze There's a guy named Greg Land that built his entire career off tracing porn and Sports illustrated Magazine covers, and I'm pretty sure has been sued for plagiarism multiple times. Former pros dunk on his ass all the time, he's also apparently a massive piece of shit.
before ai, these quickie artist were kit bashing, which is also a big no no for a finish product/image .... but okay when you're brainstorming or concepting stage of the process. that what he use to do when he was doing covers for Marvel, the war machine covers are the ones in question.
@@knessing7681 If you need Ai to brainstorm, you don't have much of a brain to imagine a creative beautiful piece of artwork, and have no business being an artist, unless you come up with a completely crazy piece that you need an Ai to help you create the concept for the artwork.
@@ehyzen after watching the whole video none of the points were coming together. You can use other images/art for references. Artists only own what they made… if another artists creates another piece of art and recreates something else… it’s not stealing
@@katlientein speedrunning it's because of the competition. Glory is achieved by getting milestones and records, and that only comes legitimately after a lot of time and practice. Often times there are rivalries, status, and cash prizes on the line. So all in all those who can, but can only get so close, can use their knowledge to "get" those milestones "first." Just like in art you get content farmers. In speedrunning, for example, Dream consistently needs to put out content, at a pace that is often unattainable. Which is why they feel the need to cut corners
speedrunning is very different thing though. it can take massive amounts of skill and knowledge to execute glitches, bugs or exploits in some games. it takes dedication, sometimes thousands of hours to perfect a run for a game youve been running. it takes knowledge and theory crafting to figure out the most optimal route to the end. there are also different categories, like any% which basically means "any means necessary to finish game", there are glitchless runs and 100% completion speedruns. there are all different kinds of speedruns for basically every game out there. with speedrunning; it's not about finishing the game once the fastest way possible. if it was, it would be so much more easier for people who speedrun to just play the games once and never again. instead speedrunners usually spent dozens if not hundreds of hours on a game they are running. it's usually a way for people who enjoy the game after completing it. push the game to it's limits and see what is possible for either human limits or the limits of the game code. it's fascinating. you dont have to understand it, but that's the way with people. we like different things. and anyway, there are cheaters in speedrunning spheres as well. like pre-recording a run and pretending to have done it live. using TAS(tool assisted speedrun) tools. or editing together a fake or splintered run. using mods. other such things which are not tolerated. if you want to think about it, it is all a kind of e-sport(though i dont think the word fits really). it is not for everyone, and there are different reasons why different people like it. sorry, this got away from me. not everyone knows as much about speedruning as people i talk to usually, so i can see why people would see it the way you do. but just, it sounds so rude me to compare speedrunners to cheaters? emotional response to something that is important to me, but that doesnt affect me. sorry about this
@@viiraneni don’t think they were trying to compare speedrunners to cheaters. the point they were trying to make was that skilled people can still cheat their way into doing something, whether it’s artists who can draw but still use ai or speedrunners who can execute frame-perfect exploits but still splice their runs.
@@KAZUUUUMOM motto of comix industry was formulated by Wally Wood a long time ago: "Never draw anything you can copy, never copy anything you can trace, never trace anything you can cut out and paste up." It was always about speed and efficiency.
the guy traces the weirdest thing also why recreating the most useless details of the artwork like the shape of the amunition and floating teeth this is so weird
Yeah, I died at the floating teeth !!! Like, why doesn't he trace the big, important shapes, and maybe put random floating teeth somewhere else ! That way he could say he didn't trace because the floating teeth are in a different spot.
I feel like what sucks the most ass about ALL OF THIS... DC knows. There are people that work that that approve this and will look the other way just to sell covers. Just to sell issues. Integrity < Profit. Who knows how much he's even paid at that. He could be paid much cheaper than someone that actually makes art at this level. This guy is hired time and time and time again because they know the mass public is HIGHLY ignorant of art and detail. They just see "damn this looks amaaaazing". It'll take them at least 30 looks at it to notice anything wrong with it.
Rob Liefeld can't draw to save his life but he was one of the most popular artist at Marvel for one reason : Speed. Dude could crank out drawings like no tomorrow and always met deadlines. At the end of the day, that's what these companies care about. Speed & efficiency. Who cares if you don't know how to draw feet, or hands, or basic anatomy, can you get me a cover by the end of day?
@@gkdair1413yeah, that is why most of the jobs in this area will be replaced by AI as soon as companies feel they can do the gradual shift without public outcry. Crazy thing is that this dude is shooting himself in the foot as well, like with a shotgun. As soon as they don’t need him - and he is speeding that up - they may just say bye to him. They may even promote him or reward him, but with the objective in the long run of accelerating the usage of AI to kick him out eventually. Btw I find it funny because these companies don’t understand they are cannibalising themselves as well. Eventually everyone will have access to AI models where they’ll just ask directly to create a Superman story with the specifics they like. And DC or whatever company won’t be able to block that, even if they try legally.
Another side note for the Batman with a gun, the guns are exactly the same, it’s just the butt of the gun has more detail. Not to mention both Batman and Punisher have the same pistol on the left thigh
Honestly, I think a really good response to people trying to counter your dislike of AI would be to say that the machine's "mistakes" are, unless you fed your own artwork into the machine and had it only use that, just another thing that has been stolen from an actual person's work. Meaning that not only did the people who made the machine steal people's good artwork, they also stole those people's mistakes. Part of their identity. There is so much wrong with AI art generation, and that's just one part of it: the process itself steals people's whole artistic identity, even their human error.
I don't believe it's forgery when you're mimicking the poses of other art, however he does go too far with some of this where it just looks flat out like the same thing. Poses are poses, you can't really claim those because those are interchangeable, but the little details that he also included that were matching the source is absolutely teetering on plagiarism, if not a good look
I was once accused of using AI for drawing the thing where tie goes under bending in the wrong direction. LIKE THAT'S A THING AI WOULD EVEN DO, flame me for eyes being different, since i forgot to do bottom highlight in one eye that i did in other in pinkish color. It's something i insta spotted myself after looking at it after a break from looking at it, as many more things i could have done better tbh xd
I am capable to draw almost anything I want, but I will do anything to do it as easy as possible becouse I am not paid enough and don't have time for low paid jobs...
Straight up! Anyone who doesn’t have the ability to recognize Kat’s nuance when she talks about the abuse of AI Art is someone choosing to be deliberately dishonest & disingenuous.
What I don't get is, with all the widely posable action figures available out there, I'm surprised that there are still "professionals" who'd rather trace someone's artwork to achieve the desired poses instead of using a pose model. Also, if there's one good thing I learned from this fiasco, it is how Sideshow Collectibles have all the talented artists and gorgeous art and sculpt works.
People really don't get it, it's about TIME, THEY DON'T HAVE TIME, why do people think that a person can draw like that and not do poses? They literally can, THEY DON'T HAVE THE TIME
If you are against tracing, you can confidently dismiss the whole comics industry, including all the top names there. It was always as Wally Wood formulated: "Never draw anything you can copy, never copy anything you can trace, never trace anything you can cut out and paste up." Comics is a low paid job, and to live of it you need to produce a LOT, and FAST.
@invisibl3. You're not doing the work with either. It's lazy and stealing other's work. And the more people use AI in the art industry, the more they give companies reason to replace real artists.
@@heavy5013 I don’t think AI will ever stop creating art at this point. Also isn’t using images that people made like references. The person who take those images use it but still create their own art and draw it themselves.
@invisibl3. There's a difference between a reference and tracing. And using AI to create work isn't the individual creating the work. The more people use and feed AI the more they give companies a reason to stop hiring real artists.
Damn, does Francesco Mattina have a personal vendetta against people who work at Sideshow Collectibles? Aw, did this wittle ‘artist’ didn’t get into Sideshow Collectibles or did one of them just said he was stinky? [ this comment is sarcastic btw. ]
Reminds me I despise when artists use AI AI is stealing from US and you, as an artist Is USING IT???? SERIOUSLY??? Not only that, you got talent too, JUST WHY
@@Fytyny Yeah, a lot of people don't realize AI itself isn't the enemy, it's the circumstances that make AI so tempting for artists on a time crunch. Under capitalism, the only thing that matters is how profitable you are. So ofc the artists that use tools that allow them to put out material much much faster are going to get the jobs over artists who won't
I left the freelance art industry decades ago, when digital art was in its infancy. Deadlines and a huge workload have always been a thing, and there have always been time-saving tricks , hacks and downright cheating. But this is theft, and the internet exists. That's a whole 'nother level of visibility, and career suicide.
The most discouraging thing about this type of theft is how little most non-artists seem take this seriously. I've seen threads full of (non-artists) complaining that "art theft isn't a thing" and telling the artist that they should be "flattered" that people "like their art enough to copy it." Honestly it's absolutely infuriating. And this case is especially confusing considering the fact that this guy apparently has the talent to just draw this stuff himself. That suggests that he is literally JUST being lazy.
I study at a company and I was shocked to keep getting told that in the corperate world, they just dont have the time. Its a race against time and when making covers and posters etc they take existing elements etc etc and use AI. You dont get to take forever when working for clients etc
So they make a worse product to cash in on what was supposedly lost, and when they catch up to that invisible red line of profit once missed they will continue to produce AI and traced works because they've already normalised pushing out a low effort product for the price of what actual, human-made art should be? Lame.
You clearly never had much interest in the workings of a comics industry). It was the race against time from the very beginning. Basically the industry artists motto was formulated by legendary Wally Wood: "Never draw anything you can copy, never copy anything you can trace, never trace anything you can cut out and paste up."
This video is amazing! You have great observational skills. I've realized that people with no artistic skills approve of AI "art" and love it, regardless of its theft from other artists, whereas real artists hate it because real pieces of art take a lot of time, skill, and patience to create, which makes AI "art" very wrong and unfair.
For beginning artest, I would like to specify that tracing figures is OKAY to learn anatomy and make your figures look more realistic. Tracing other peoples art is a different matter. You can find free images online of people posing for your reference.
I honestly don't think tracing actually helps you learn. You aren't learning why things looks the way they do, just how to copy things. Doing studies of images is better than tracing them. Put the image beside your canvas and look at it to copy, not under your current layer. You learn how to build images that way. Especially if you study other peoples art, that allows you to understand why they made the artistic decisions they did. Instead of just copying without any study or analysis.
@botarakutabi1199 True, thank you for further clarifying. I did not intend to suggest that tracing from reality in of itself will help you learn anatomy. I assumed most people tracing would also study the figure while doing it - I can see where the misunderstanding might have happened. Yes, when tracing, it is a good idea to also study your figure rather than just using the image. However, if you do intend to trace from an image, there is nothing wrong with that other than the fact that you will not be learning anything.
@@ovgem Personally, I don't think the former is required. I think you can actually learn more from the study and reproduction without tracing first or at all. Your brain starts to think about the form and construction, instead of just reproducing lines. At least my brain does.
@@botarakutabi1199 everyones brains are different! thats just what helps me when i have no idea where to start. i get an idea of what the drawing would look like if it was "correct"
At 3:07 ，I think he only imitate the posture of holding a gun. But he did not just copy from the original artist ，the lighting ，shape ，form and background of his art work are created by himself. I think there is a difference between imitating and stealing which at 3:25 he only use the posture as an reference but at 5:59 ，he is literally copying the flowing teeth and broken jaw from others which is unforgivable. In general， humans learn by imitate other so that the can understand it and creates something similar their own .However ，making money by purely copying is another thing.
I'm not gonna argue ethics but from a legal standpoint he's probably altering those enough for his work to be considered transformative, so it's NOT plagiarism. Also, poses are not copyrightable to my knowledge.
Just an FYI 3:30 thats not the magazine thats the Sling of the gun, he didnt even draw a mag thats obscurred. In addition in the art of 3:30 you can also see the Hand of Batman seems to have more than 5 fingers xD the Hand is way to thick (seems like AI was used) I hope Rito gets this guy in a lawsuit or something ^^
Thank you for calling out scam artists! I've had my art stolen by other "professionals" as well. They are bottom feeders. These current editors are too dumb/have zero knowledge of art or just don't care about the products. Its a different kind of business at DC and Marvel lately.
Food Service: You're 8 minutes late to work three times, you're fired. Retail: You accidentally accepted a $1 tip from a customer, you're fired. Warehouse: You leaned a pallet up or blocked a fire extinguisher that we don't even authorize you to use anyways, you're fired. This guy: You repeatedly steal work and cheat at your job? Hm. We'll see if the backlash impacts sales.
ok what is the difference with using a reference? I am an artist been one for upwards of 50 years. AI is here to stay, I don't use it. But these companies like DC and Marvel will. They do anything to speed things up.
I don't think it matters, I've done concept art for Marvel and Disney of Hulk and Cinderella. It was back before Ai was even a thing. It's just a tool though, especially in concept and production I really don't think it matters.
Tracing and using elements from AI isn't stealing. It's remixing. Especially since all those photos look completely different, and in most cases better. He's building ontop of something else and thats what art should be all about. Art is to be shared, it's not some capitolist IP. If the end result looks better then who cares? Something beautiful with minimal effort, is still something beautiful. And in the art world we should be all about creating beautiful things, not the money. In these cases though they're clearly like remixes, he takes something as a base and tweaks it to make it better.
I have a complicated story with references. To me are fine AS LONG AS: A-You cite them. B- Make them distinct enough. (Have a similiar background but different details to make it unique like how Star Wars referenced Days of Future Past Cover or All Hail Megatron did with Spider Man No More. C- Be upfront about it. Tweet about it. "Hey guys in the next cover we are paying homage to *BLANK*" I stopped buying variant covers mainly because tracking them is a pain and sometimes expensive. But I'll definately be on the look out for this guy so I dont end up supporting him. Thnx Kat.
The punisher and batman holding a gun is exactly the same... look at the holstered gun.... its copy paste. Hand position, especially thumb over the gun are an exact match
Complaining about comic book artists taking heavy references from other art pieces, sculptures and what not it's very sad imo. You all probably don't even know what working in a company like DC or Marvel looks like, the amount of work you're tasked to do in such little time for a salary that's not even that high. Please there's no reason to get mad about an artist "tracing" some other pieces of media for a page or a cover that at most will just serve the purpose of getting the reader a little interested in buying the comic; ffs we're not discussing multi-million$$ paitings, it's freaking mainstream comics, grow up.
Well， I don't find making money with AI to be a huge problem since he uses his own skills to type in the command and make AI generate an image or concept that already shown up in his mind .And he still need to fix some mistakes that AI makes. Therefore, I think this guy's problem isn't working with ai .In my opinions ，his problems is not being careful and fix the error ai made.
It would be nice, if you stopped using the word "traced": 1) The artist copied stuff. It doesn't matter one effing but if he copied it all by hand, without tracing. Copyiny is copying is copying. 2) You cannot copyright a pose. Not even when it makes sense (Stan Lee's Spiderman poses). So copying a pose might be embarrassing and lazy, but it's not illegal. 3) In some of your examples (notably the first), the artist did obviously not trace (while still copying the concept).
First Greg Land (Who got famous for tracing porn and has been dunked on by other former comic artists, and has multiple cases of plagiarism levied against him), and now another one... I knew that things sucked majorly at DC, but hearing news about the constant layoffs, the bitching that people won't read their poorly written comics, the pointing of fingers at people for not liking their changes to comic book characters (that are just lazy to begin with), this is making them look EVEN WORSE and they constantly refuse to take the L despite them doing so badly. It's a wonder these companies are even afloat.
i hate to break it to you, but that first piece you showed was not traced. it was referenced. the lines fall very short of being matched up, and the lengths of limbs as well. it's more likely he did a solo reference, which is poor, yeah, but the only argument one can conjure against him for that instance is that the artist he referenced from owns the pose seen from that angle, which is a ridiculous argument. yeah, it's low quality art. no, it's not stolen. yeah, it's not his idea. no he shouldn't be punished for depicting it in his own words. shallow though they may be. bringing this into professional practice should be frowned upon, sure, but it's damaging to the art community to call artwork that is clearly not traced, traced. there is a huge difference between tracing (recreating an image) and just drawing the same pose using your own drawing skill and observation. the latter is not bad or unethical. it's just low quality and DC should probably consider replacing him.
Why do you care? I understand the tracing issue, but I and others both draw and use AI. It's my choice and my art. Artist aren't going to get jobs that people are already doing. The same artist who have a problem with AI use sketch up and all kind of other short cuts, but AI is the problem.
Thanks for informing us!! I also hate the arbitrary lighting behind Superman with the nonsensical lens flares. "Human artist place everything there with intention." -Katliente, -Jojo
Just a minor thing, but that isn't a magazine in the Punisher/Batman images, it's just the strap of a rifle sling with a texture to it. Which makes it more suspicious of course because a sling on a rifle isn't going to be in that exact position with that exact texture if you're just using the generic pose. It's at the least used for direct reference which is odd when there's tons of photos of people with rifles all over the place, like why bother with something from your same field instead of anything else? Not that hard to make some new lines with actual reference material.
That definitely used the original works. I dont trace or borrow other people’s work, BUT in the comic book industry, tracing was a main tactic for poses and layouts, it is/was done in Superman, Batman, and Marvel comics, artists used each other’s works and traced them, they didn’t just take the original works though. Tracing and editing is actually taught in “how to draw” comic book books. Maybe something changed since the last time I had a “how to draw” book. What he’s done isn’t tracing, it looks like he literally just took the works and edited it without tracing. That Phoenix image looks exactly like the original just edited.
I see nothing wrong with tracing as long as it’s transformative enough; AI on the other hand I’m against, because of the larger implications of what it means for not just are but all media further down the line.
I love your way of wishing discomfort on people is "I hope you all have warm pillows" I'mma steal this because it's gonna be great to pull this one on my dad and see what he thinks
I am guilty of tracing my own work and photobashing with both real photos and AI, but the line work and art style are mine, just done different with phototextures blended with AI, I think thats as far as I will take AI, but yes I would never trace another artists work, thats just dirty plagarism.
At the end of the day, it only matters that it looks cool For most of the people buying this stuff it doesn't matter if it was stolen or AI generated ✌️
i can only assume DC comics couldnt careless because the artist can churn out work faster than if they didnt use AI/tracing its only a matter of time till they use the AI for their comics like just do sketches and shove it into AI to finish the rest and someone to clean up and add text
This is sooooo stupid who cares where the pose comes from omg. So if the artist took a picture of the same pose that the magneto statue was doing and then referenced that picture what would he be criticized for at that point lmao.
That's a very good point. Can you take a picture of yourself in a pose you see in someone's art? -Yes Can you use that as a reference? -Yes There you go, nobody owns any pose, case closed.
I might hit a nerve here. But as a new beginner artist. What is the problem of tracing? In the end its a pose u will eventually end up with. Does everyone need to have their own camera angle and pose combination? As long as you do not copy right shit, how can it be bad to trace art. someone enlighten me why its bad?? it makes the job easier. U work less but faster. And u are not hurting anyone.
Seems like if a piece of art for DC or marvel gets caught publishing plagiarism, the example should be physically recalled and striken from Canon. Let's see if they're cool with having NO new content because they won't police their artists from committing crimes.
Sadly, this happens all the time: just look at the work of Salvador Larroca. To name one. I worked for Marvel UK back in 1992 as a talent hunter and signed up many Spanish artists. It makes me sick to see what some of them are doing today.
How do you determine if something was traced instead of just reference when I was little I was able to exactly copy comic cover art without tracing. Could you define what you mean by tracing?
No, they do not care because it does not personally affects them. Just like artists kept doodling on their ipads, even though we all knew about inhumane working conditons at Foxconn and people offing themselves because of it.
The reason why some artists still trace even if they are capable and talented is because they are slower artists who can’t meet their deadlines, so they cheat. And the publishers don’t care because meeting deadlines is the only thing that matters to them.
Franseco Martina isn't the only DC artist to be accused of using AI, Andrea Sorrentino, and former Falun Gong cult member Daxiong had their art removed for using AI
damn, zeen chin is my senior who graduated from the same art school from malaysia, this feels even worse knowing he is one of the victim of art tracing.
9:04 Someone who actually cared about Superman wouldn’t draw him like this, so menacing and similar to Injustice Superman. AI just just took the popular Injustice art as well as the more gritty films like BvS, which goes against everything Superman embodies: hope, humanity, optimism. Look at Dan Mora’s World Finest covers. Look at Superman: Red and Blue #5. Those have so much care and love for the characters and focus on what he is instead of just having a cool aesthetically pleasing but soulless piece made just to get paid.
Big companies wont admit to it coz its their reputation at stake and scandal BUT YOUR IMPACT has reached the rest of mankind and the INFORMED will not be supporting this THIEFFFFFFFFFFFF that should be in jail thanks for exposing him i despise INJUSTICE
In italy he is infamous in the art community, and guess what? HE WAS A FUCKING COMIC TEACHER, IN OUR OFFICIAL COMIC ACCADEMY, they say he is also very full of himself and not a very good person in general
Although this story is very frustrating, the fact that there are folks calling it out brings me joy. I'm not even an artist, but someone who values artistic expression and the value it has when it comes from a HUMAN soul. I will never understand why anyone would quite literally sell their soul just to be lazy about one of the most important things (art) humans have ever created.......
You guys all got it wrong, I can kinda see in the Jean one it looks really similar almost identical, but almost everything else fine. Francesco Mattina is a really good artist which is why he's keep getting jobs in the industry, what he's doing is just using reference from other artists and allying it to his art, and every artist does that, David Finch, Jim Lee, all these talented people use reference and I can understand that since I'm an artist myself. Yall are tweaking frrrr
RUclips algorithm is crazy, started drawing not more than 10 days ago and looked at some draw videos, and welp here we are with the drama and I have so many questions LOLOL
I kind of miss the days of Butch Heartman tracing. It was so much easier when people's forgery was more obvious
Butch Hartman didn't trace though,he just heavily referenced someone else's art
@@haveidonethisbefore Right. That's what they're calling it nowadays?
@@RobertStoll tracing vs heavily referencing is different though
tracing implies you put the imagine down and one for one drew over it
you can still block out an exact pose and copy it one for one while changing the character etc
When i started learning how to draw comic book characters it's what i did. Took old comic books and drew them one for one down to the last detail but changing the characters design etc.
of course as a professional artist this isn't an excuse for being lazy and outright replicating someone's art but that's a moral grey area.
Just look up DTIYS and you'll find some perfect examples of what I mean
@@DragowonDeez I don't think Butch Heartman should have been selling artwork then used a beginner crutch.
It's all well and good to use that kind of direct reference to learn. It's another to monetize traced works.
I never heard of butch stealing art work where do you get this info? And if you have time can you tell me pics he traced I used to be a huge butch fan @@RobertStoll
Now I know who to avoid when buying comics. The biggest reasons why I get comics is 1, my dad loves it. So it’s a nice thing to bond over and 2, the art. And no way I’m gonna buy art from an artists who steals and uses ai when they have the ability to draw in their own. Dude is a disgrace to comic book artists. And just artists in general.
Avoid DC, Marvel, and anything associated with Hasbro at this point
@@RobertStoll ehh until there’s proof they all do this with ALL their artwork, im still gonna get it. I will not go based off assumptions, rather evidence.
Shame we have to worry about this even with comics now 😔
@@solarydays proof... ?
@@BurntGrilledChezze There's a guy named Greg Land that built his entire career off tracing porn and Sports illustrated Magazine covers, and I'm pretty sure has been sued for plagiarism multiple times. Former pros dunk on his ass all the time, he's also apparently a massive piece of shit.
Tracing AND using Ai, that’s a double jeopardy of shitty image creation.
before ai, these quickie artist were kit bashing, which is also a big no no for a finish product/image .... but okay when you're brainstorming or concepting stage of the process. that what he use to do when he was doing covers for Marvel, the war machine covers are the ones in question.
What’s wrong with this i don’t understand it’s just using it as reference
@@knessing7681 If you need Ai to brainstorm, you don't have much of a brain to imagine a creative beautiful piece of artwork, and have no business being an artist, unless you come up with a completely crazy piece that you need an Ai to help you create the concept for the artwork.
@@invisibl3. did u rly watch the whole video and still comment this
@@ehyzen after watching the whole video none of the points were coming together. You can use other images/art for references. Artists only own what they made… if another artists creates another piece of art and recreates something else… it’s not stealing
Reminds me of speedrunners who can play the game well but opt for cheating.
no literally!! just why do they do that 😭
@@katlientein speedrunning it's because of the competition. Glory is achieved by getting milestones and records, and that only comes legitimately after a lot of time and practice. Often times there are rivalries, status, and cash prizes on the line. So all in all those who can, but can only get so close, can use their knowledge to "get" those milestones "first."
Just like in art you get content farmers. In speedrunning, for example, Dream consistently needs to put out content, at a pace that is often unattainable. Which is why they feel the need to cut corners
speedrunning is very different thing though. it can take massive amounts of skill and knowledge to execute glitches, bugs or exploits in some games. it takes dedication, sometimes thousands of hours to perfect a run for a game youve been running. it takes knowledge and theory crafting to figure out the most optimal route to the end.
there are also different categories, like any% which basically means "any means necessary to finish game", there are glitchless runs and 100% completion speedruns. there are all different kinds of speedruns for basically every game out there. with speedrunning; it's not about finishing the game once the fastest way possible. if it was, it would be so much more easier for people who speedrun to just play the games once and never again. instead speedrunners usually spent dozens if not hundreds of hours on a game they are running. it's usually a way for people who enjoy the game after completing it. push the game to it's limits and see what is possible for either human limits or the limits of the game code. it's fascinating. you dont have to understand it, but that's the way with people. we like different things.
and anyway, there are cheaters in speedrunning spheres as well. like pre-recording a run and pretending to have done it live. using TAS(tool assisted speedrun) tools. or editing together a fake or splintered run. using mods. other such things which are not tolerated.
if you want to think about it, it is all a kind of e-sport(though i dont think the word fits really). it is not for everyone, and there are different reasons why different people like it.
sorry, this got away from me. not everyone knows as much about speedruning as people i talk to usually, so i can see why people would see it the way you do. but just, it sounds so rude me to compare speedrunners to cheaters? emotional response to something that is important to me, but that doesnt affect me. sorry about this
@@viiranendifferent in the sense it is a competition, yes.
However the time element and skill element aren't that much different
@@viiraneni don’t think they were trying to compare speedrunners to cheaters. the point they were trying to make was that skilled people can still cheat their way into doing something, whether it’s artists who can draw but still use ai or speedrunners who can execute frame-perfect exploits but still splice their runs.
leaving the superman S messed up like that is audacious 🤣
It doesn't even look like an s it looks like a mario kart circuit
Learning how to draw in decades then proceed to trace 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Picasso said something about great artists outright stealing... He would know....
i guess work smarter not harder😂
Pst, ill let you in on a secret: comics artists are constantly tracing and copying older works, and they were doing it this whole time)
@@PTHYTQV lol that's why some of the art work just feels the same 🤭
@@KAZUUUUMOM motto of comix industry was formulated by Wally Wood a long time ago: "Never draw anything you can copy, never copy anything you can trace, never trace anything you can cut out and paste up."
It was always about speed and efficiency.
the guy traces the weirdest thing also why recreating the most useless details of the artwork like the shape of the amunition and floating teeth this is so weird
Yeah, I died at the floating teeth !!! Like, why doesn't he trace the big, important shapes, and maybe put random floating teeth somewhere else ! That way he could say he didn't trace because the floating teeth are in a different spot.
It's pretty obvious that the artist thinks it will pass unoticed and they might get away with it
He's only defeating himself really, making money literally wasting the little talent he has.
I feel like what sucks the most ass about ALL OF THIS...
DC knows. There are people that work that that approve this and will look the other way just to sell covers. Just to sell issues. Integrity < Profit. Who knows how much he's even paid at that. He could be paid much cheaper than someone that actually makes art at this level. This guy is hired time and time and time again because they know the mass public is HIGHLY ignorant of art and detail. They just see "damn this looks amaaaazing". It'll take them at least 30 looks at it to notice anything wrong with it.
Dude, comics industry was always a low pay job for artist. Tracing and copying are widely used there.
Rob Liefeld can't draw to save his life but he was one of the most popular artist at Marvel for one reason : Speed. Dude could crank out drawings like no tomorrow and always met deadlines.
At the end of the day, that's what these companies care about. Speed & efficiency. Who cares if you don't know how to draw feet, or hands, or basic anatomy, can you get me a cover by the end of day?
@@gkdair1413yeah, that is why most of the jobs in this area will be replaced by AI as soon as companies feel they can do the gradual shift without public outcry.
Crazy thing is that this dude is shooting himself in the foot as well, like with a shotgun. As soon as they don’t need him - and he is speeding that up - they may just say bye to him.
They may even promote him or reward him, but with the objective in the long run of accelerating the usage of AI to kick him out eventually.
Btw I find it funny because these companies don’t understand they are cannibalising themselves as well. Eventually everyone will have access to AI models where they’ll just ask directly to create a Superman story with the specifics they like. And DC or whatever company won’t be able to block that, even if they try legally.
Another side note for the Batman with a gun, the guns are exactly the same, it’s just the butt of the gun has more detail. Not to mention both Batman and Punisher have the same pistol on the left thigh
I’ve noticed that as well.
Honestly, I think a really good response to people trying to counter your dislike of AI would be to say that the machine's "mistakes" are, unless you fed your own artwork into the machine and had it only use that, just another thing that has been stolen from an actual person's work.
Meaning that not only did the people who made the machine steal people's good artwork, they also stole those people's mistakes. Part of their identity. There is so much wrong with AI art generation, and that's just one part of it: the process itself steals people's whole artistic identity, even their human error.
Sadly people will justify that most are dead or they have millions of views or it isn't original to begin with.
I don't believe it's forgery when you're mimicking the poses of other art, however he does go too far with some of this where it just looks flat out like the same thing. Poses are poses, you can't really claim those because those are interchangeable, but the little details that he also included that were matching the source is absolutely teetering on plagiarism, if not a good look
This man uses sooo many other pieces. He's basically a copy-paste of great creatives who dont know he's latched on and leeching off em.
I was once accused of using AI for drawing the thing where tie goes under bending in the wrong direction. LIKE THAT'S A THING AI WOULD EVEN DO, flame me for eyes being different, since i forgot to do bottom highlight in one eye that i did in other in pinkish color. It's something i insta spotted myself after looking at it after a break from looking at it, as many more things i could have done better tbh xd
I am capable to draw almost anything I want, but I will do anything to do it as easy as possible becouse I am not paid enough and don't have time for low paid jobs...
@@vladokraljevic4873 Art is pretty high paid job if you have patreon and do NSFW
@@magieenvtuber9783 It's not if you live where I do...
is less about the mistake and more about the logic behind it
kat, we already know at this point you make fun of ai images not human artists. the people who say otherwise are haters.
i have to say it bc not everyone has seen my other videos 😅
@@katliente true. I watched only your most recent videos and i got the message.
If people stilk like you're hating on beginner artist ; it just weird.
Straight up! Anyone who doesn’t have the ability to recognize Kat’s nuance when she talks about the abuse of AI Art is someone choosing to be deliberately dishonest & disingenuous.
🎉@@CalvinChikelue
What I don't get is, with all the widely posable action figures available out there, I'm surprised that there are still "professionals" who'd rather trace someone's artwork to achieve the desired poses instead of using a pose model. Also, if there's one good thing I learned from this fiasco, it is how Sideshow Collectibles have all the talented artists and gorgeous art and sculpt works.
Using a model is too slow.
@@markcooperartcomofficialok thief
People really don't get it, it's about TIME, THEY DON'T HAVE TIME, why do people think that a person can draw like that and not do poses? They literally can, THEY DON'T HAVE THE TIME
@@artyom6167 Skill issue.
0 respect for anyone calling themselves an artist using AI and tracing other people's work.
If you are against tracing, you can confidently dismiss the whole comics industry, including all the top names there. It was always as Wally Wood formulated: "Never draw anything you can copy, never copy anything you can trace, never trace anything you can cut out and paste up."
Comics is a low paid job, and to live of it you need to produce a LOT, and FAST.
Litterally not a big deal
@invisibl3. You're not doing the work with either. It's lazy and stealing other's work.
And the more people use AI in the art industry, the more they give companies reason to replace real artists.
@@heavy5013 I don’t think AI will ever stop creating art at this point. Also isn’t using images that people made like references. The person who take those images use it but still create their own art and draw it themselves.
@invisibl3. There's a difference between a reference and tracing.
And using AI to create work isn't the individual creating the work.
The more people use and feed AI the more they give companies a reason to stop hiring real artists.
Damn, does Francesco Mattina have a personal vendetta against people who work at Sideshow Collectibles? Aw, did this wittle ‘artist’ didn’t get into Sideshow Collectibles or did one of them just said he was stinky? [ this comment is sarcastic btw. ]
1:10 WHAT piece!!?
Can we get mucho higher
@@Donminiac-OFFCIALSo high...
*IT'S REAL*
If there’s actually Anybody who says the first is a “coincidence” unironically then they are basically lying to themselves
Reminds me
I despise when artists use AI
AI is stealing from US and you, as an artist
Is USING IT???? SERIOUSLY???
Not only that, you got talent too, JUST WHY
I despise when anyone does.
Not even using their own work
To save time. That's why.
If you ever had to draw hundreds different artworks in a month you would know why. The guy will most likely be kept, because he is fast
@@Fytyny Yeah, a lot of people don't realize AI itself isn't the enemy, it's the circumstances that make AI so tempting for artists on a time crunch. Under capitalism, the only thing that matters is how profitable you are. So ofc the artists that use tools that allow them to put out material much much faster are going to get the jobs over artists who won't
I left the freelance art industry decades ago, when digital art was in its infancy. Deadlines and a huge workload have always been a thing, and there have always been time-saving tricks , hacks and downright cheating. But this is theft, and the internet exists. That's a whole 'nother level of visibility, and career suicide.
The most discouraging thing about this type of theft is how little most non-artists seem take this seriously. I've seen threads full of (non-artists) complaining that "art theft isn't a thing" and telling the artist that they should be "flattered" that people "like their art enough to copy it." Honestly it's absolutely infuriating. And this case is especially confusing considering the fact that this guy apparently has the talent to just draw this stuff himself. That suggests that he is literally JUST being lazy.
Francesco Matina is a well known art swiper in the comic industry so I'm not surprised that he used AI.
I study at a company and I was shocked to keep getting told that in the corperate world, they just dont have the time.
Its a race against time and when making covers and posters etc they take existing elements etc etc and use AI.
You dont get to take forever when working for clients etc
especially after covid times; gotta speed up processes to recoup from the losses of back then, and losses of some customers no longer able to afford
So they make a worse product to cash in on what was supposedly lost, and when they catch up to that invisible red line of profit once missed they will continue to produce AI and traced works because they've already normalised pushing out a low effort product for the price of what actual, human-made art should be? Lame.
You clearly never had much interest in the workings of a comics industry). It was the race against time from the very beginning. Basically the industry artists motto was formulated by legendary Wally Wood: "Never draw anything you can copy, never copy anything you can trace, never trace anything you can cut out and paste up."
@PTHYTQV when did I ever say I agreed with what I was told? I stated that they keep drilling this shit onto us. People IN THIS FIELD... yikes 👀
This video is amazing! You have great observational skills.
I've realized that people with no artistic skills approve of AI "art" and love it, regardless of its theft from other artists, whereas real artists hate it because real pieces of art take a lot of time, skill, and patience to create, which makes AI "art" very wrong and unfair.
For beginning artest, I would like to specify that tracing figures is OKAY to learn anatomy and make your figures look more realistic. Tracing other peoples art is a different matter. You can find free images online of people posing for your reference.
I honestly don't think tracing actually helps you learn. You aren't learning why things looks the way they do, just how to copy things. Doing studies of images is better than tracing them. Put the image beside your canvas and look at it to copy, not under your current layer. You learn how to build images that way. Especially if you study other peoples art, that allows you to understand why they made the artistic decisions they did. Instead of just copying without any study or analysis.
@botarakutabi1199 True, thank you for further clarifying. I did not intend to suggest that tracing from reality in of itself will help you learn anatomy. I assumed most people tracing would also study the figure while doing it - I can see where the misunderstanding might have happened. Yes, when tracing, it is a good idea to also study your figure rather than just using the image. However, if you do intend to trace from an image, there is nothing wrong with that other than the fact that you will not be learning anything.
@@botarakutabi1199tracing the image first then trying to reproduce it without tracing is helpful.
@@ovgem Personally, I don't think the former is required. I think you can actually learn more from the study and reproduction without tracing first or at all. Your brain starts to think about the form and construction, instead of just reproducing lines. At least my brain does.
@@botarakutabi1199 everyones brains are different! thats just what helps me when i have no idea where to start. i get an idea of what the drawing would look like if it was "correct"
A double whammy of art theft. All we need is them tracing it from fanart and not already existing art and we’d have a bingo!
SIDEshow Collectibles.
I swear as a collector it was so frustrating she couldn’t read SIDEshow right. Guess Peanut brain couldn’t read properly over all that yapping
I love watching your videos sm 😭
awwwh that means so much 🥹
At 3:07 ，I think he only imitate the posture of holding a gun. But he did not just copy from the original artist ，the lighting ，shape ，form and background of his art work are created by himself. I think there is a difference between imitating and stealing which at 3:25 he only use the posture as an reference but at 5:59 ，he is literally copying the flowing teeth and broken jaw from others which is unforgivable.
In general， humans learn by imitate other so that the can understand it and creates something similar their own .However ，making money by purely copying is another thing.
I'm not gonna argue ethics but from a legal standpoint he's probably altering those enough for his work to be considered transformative, so it's NOT plagiarism. Also, poses are not copyrightable to my knowledge.
As a person who spends SO many hours drawing comics every week... This makes me so mad. Thanks for covering this!
When I saw how f-ed up the Batman logo is I was like “I can draw that better and I’m not that good of an artist to begin with.”.
Just an FYI 3:30 thats not the magazine thats the Sling of the gun, he didnt even draw a mag thats obscurred.
In addition in the art of 3:30 you can also see the Hand of Batman seems to have more than 5 fingers xD the Hand is way to thick (seems like AI was used)
I hope Rito gets this guy in a lawsuit or something ^^
Thank you for calling out scam artists! I've had my art stolen by other "professionals" as well. They are bottom feeders. These current editors are too dumb/have zero knowledge of art or just don't care about the products. Its a different kind of business at DC and Marvel lately.
i love your hairrr omg
hehe tyy!! :D
This is common in the comic book industry, especially with Marvel and DC.
It’s very comical how often and blatant they are too.
Side-show Side-show Side-show Side-show Side-show Side-show Side-show Side-show Side-show.....Not Slide show....they're not a powerpoint company
I was so annoyed every time she couldn’t read SIDE show right.
@@wacky25 same
Food Service: You're 8 minutes late to work three times, you're fired.
Retail: You accidentally accepted a $1 tip from a customer, you're fired.
Warehouse: You leaned a pallet up or blocked a fire extinguisher that we don't even authorize you to use anyways, you're fired.
This guy: You repeatedly steal work and cheat at your job? Hm. We'll see if the backlash impacts sales.
Corps like the AI because it can allow them to pay less artists to put out more content. It's the reason AI is so harmful to artists.
ok what is the difference with using a reference? I am an artist been one for upwards of 50 years. AI is here to stay, I don't use it. But these companies like DC and Marvel will. They do anything to speed things up.
I don't think it matters, I've done concept art for Marvel and Disney of Hulk and Cinderella. It was back before Ai was even a thing. It's just a tool though, especially in concept and production I really don't think it matters.
Tracing and using elements from AI isn't stealing. It's remixing. Especially since all those photos look completely different, and in most cases better. He's building ontop of something else and thats what art should be all about. Art is to be shared, it's not some capitolist IP. If the end result looks better then who cares? Something beautiful with minimal effort, is still something beautiful. And in the art world we should be all about creating beautiful things, not the money. In these cases though they're clearly like remixes, he takes something as a base and tweaks it to make it better.
I have a complicated story with references. To me are fine AS LONG AS:
A-You cite them.
B- Make them distinct enough. (Have a similiar background but different details to make it unique like how Star Wars referenced Days of Future Past Cover or All Hail Megatron did with Spider Man No More.
C- Be upfront about it. Tweet about it. "Hey guys in the next cover we are paying homage to *BLANK*"
I stopped buying variant covers mainly because tracking them is a pain and sometimes expensive. But I'll definately be on the look out for this guy so I dont end up supporting him.
Thnx Kat.
Fascinating, thanks for this analysis ... but it's Sideshow, not Slideshow.
The punisher and batman holding a gun is exactly the same... look at the holstered gun.... its copy paste. Hand position, especially thumb over the gun are an exact match
Once upon a time getting a job in comic books took talent and editors did there job and where competent.
Complaining about comic book artists taking heavy references from other art pieces, sculptures and what not it's very sad imo. You all probably don't even know what working in a company like DC or Marvel looks like, the amount of work you're tasked to do in such little time for a salary that's not even that high. Please there's no reason to get mad about an artist "tracing" some other pieces of media for a page or a cover that at most will just serve the purpose of getting the reader a little interested in buying the comic; ffs we're not discussing multi-million$$ paitings, it's freaking mainstream comics, grow up.
Well， I don't find making money with AI to be a huge problem since he uses his own skills to type in the command and make AI generate an image or concept that already shown up in his mind .And he
still need to fix some mistakes that AI makes. Therefore, I think this guy's problem isn't working with ai .In my opinions ，his problems is not being careful and fix the error ai made.
And I thought they were just going to present one or two examples... Omg…
Why do companies keep on hiring this guy, when he's pretty notorious for plagiarism? This is wild.
It would be nice, if you stopped using the word "traced":
1) The artist copied stuff. It doesn't matter one effing but if he copied it all by hand, without tracing. Copyiny is copying is copying.
2) You cannot copyright a pose. Not even when it makes sense (Stan Lee's Spiderman poses). So copying a pose might be embarrassing and lazy, but it's not illegal.
3) In some of your examples (notably the first), the artist did obviously not trace (while still copying the concept).
I agree with u I was thing that the whole time
Katliente isn't a comics fan, she's just simp-farming millennials and zoomers. All your points are absolutely correct.
@@jemhoare2105 just looking for those buzzwords arent you ?
I love that your explore is recommending Dignitas vs. Cloud9!!!
One of the many reasons most people aren't buying comics from the big two.
First Greg Land (Who got famous for tracing porn and has been dunked on by other former comic artists, and has multiple cases of plagiarism levied against him), and now another one... I knew that things sucked majorly at DC, but hearing news about the constant layoffs, the bitching that people won't read their poorly written comics, the pointing of fingers at people for not liking their changes to comic book characters (that are just lazy to begin with), this is making them look EVEN WORSE and they constantly refuse to take the L despite them doing so badly. It's a wonder these companies are even afloat.
i hate to break it to you, but that first piece you showed was not traced. it was referenced. the lines fall very short of being matched up, and the lengths of limbs as well. it's more likely he did a solo reference, which is poor, yeah, but the only argument one can conjure against him for that instance is that the artist he referenced from owns the pose seen from that angle, which is a ridiculous argument. yeah, it's low quality art. no, it's not stolen. yeah, it's not his idea. no he shouldn't be punished for depicting it in his own words. shallow though they may be.
bringing this into professional practice should be frowned upon, sure, but it's damaging to the art community to call artwork that is clearly not traced, traced. there is a huge difference between tracing (recreating an image) and just drawing the same pose using your own drawing skill and observation. the latter is not bad or unethical. it's just low quality and DC should probably consider replacing him.
Why do you care? I understand the tracing issue, but I and others both draw and use AI. It's my choice and my art. Artist aren't going to get jobs that people are already doing. The same artist who have a problem with AI use sketch up and all kind of other short cuts, but AI is the problem.
i love these videos kat !!
Thanks for informing us!! I also hate the arbitrary lighting behind Superman with the nonsensical lens flares. "Human artist place everything there with intention." -Katliente, -Jojo
Just a minor thing, but that isn't a magazine in the Punisher/Batman images, it's just the strap of a rifle sling with a texture to it. Which makes it more suspicious of course because a sling on a rifle isn't going to be in that exact position with that exact texture if you're just using the generic pose. It's at the least used for direct reference which is odd when there's tons of photos of people with rifles all over the place, like why bother with something from your same field instead of anything else? Not that hard to make some new lines with actual reference material.
That definitely used the original works. I dont trace or borrow other people’s work, BUT in the comic book industry, tracing was a main tactic for poses and layouts, it is/was done in Superman, Batman, and Marvel comics, artists used each other’s works and traced them, they didn’t just take the original works though. Tracing and editing is actually taught in “how to draw” comic book books. Maybe something changed since the last time I had a “how to draw” book.
What he’s done isn’t tracing, it looks like he literally just took the works and edited it without tracing. That Phoenix image looks exactly like the original just edited.
I see nothing wrong with tracing as long as it’s transformative enough; AI on the other hand I’m against, because of the larger implications of what it means for not just are but all media further down the line.
I love your way of wishing discomfort on people is "I hope you all have warm pillows"
I'mma steal this because it's gonna be great to pull this one on my dad and see what he thinks
I am guilty of tracing my own work and photobashing with both real photos and AI, but the line work and art style are mine, just done different with phototextures blended with AI, I think thats as far as I will take AI, but yes I would never trace another artists work, thats just dirty plagarism.
AI = ordering dinner off a delivery app doesn't make me a cook
At the end of the day, it only matters that it looks cool
For most of the people buying this stuff it doesn't matter if it was stolen or AI generated ✌️
good video
It scares and depresses what is happening with art and AI
i can only assume DC comics couldnt careless because the artist can churn out work faster than if they didnt use AI/tracing its only a matter of time till they use the AI for their comics like just do sketches and shove it into AI to finish the rest and someone to clean up and add text
your art is so pretty I can't imagine the amount of intention you added into it as well.
3:30. Those are rifle slings, not Magazines. But between the two images the Rifle Slings do look 99% identical
This is sooooo stupid who cares where the pose comes from omg. So if the artist took a picture of the same pose that the magneto statue was doing and then referenced that picture what would he be criticized for at that point lmao.
That's a very good point.
Can you take a picture of yourself in a pose you see in someone's art? -Yes
Can you use that as a reference? -Yes
There you go, nobody owns any pose, case closed.
I might hit a nerve here. But as a new beginner artist. What is the problem of tracing? In the end its a pose u will eventually end up with. Does everyone need to have their own camera angle and pose combination? As long as you do not copy right shit, how can it be bad to trace art. someone enlighten me why its bad?? it makes the job easier. U work less but faster. And u are not hurting anyone.
Excellent video thanks 👏🏻
Star Wars comics also have a tracing problem, been at it for years. There's no integrity in the corporate comic industry.
Seems like if a piece of art for DC or marvel gets caught publishing plagiarism, the example should be physically recalled and striken from Canon. Let's see if they're cool with having NO new content because they won't police their artists from committing crimes.
Sadly, this happens all the time: just look at the work of Salvador Larroca. To name one. I worked for Marvel UK back in 1992 as a talent hunter and signed up many Spanish artists. It makes me sick to see what some of them are doing today.
How do you determine if something was traced instead of just reference when I was little I was able to exactly copy comic cover art without tracing. Could you define what you mean by tracing?
the video has provided the meaning of it and even showed it for 13 minutes.
@@matcha1996 time stamp? I stopped watching about 5 mins in. Seems pretty baseless to me
Those people don't care because it's not their art being traced by him...
No, they do not care because it does not personally affects them. Just like artists kept doodling on their ipads, even though we all knew about inhumane working conditons at Foxconn and people offing themselves because of it.
I am currently re-learning how to draw. Due to nerve damage in my hand. It makes me sick to see people using AI and saying they drew it themselves.
The reason why some artists still trace even if they are capable and talented is because they are slower artists who can’t meet their deadlines, so they cheat. And the publishers don’t care because meeting deadlines is the only thing that matters to them.
This is paid painfully common and DC has turned the blind eye to it for decades
Loved the video! I also wanted to say that my god has that same lamb lamb bed ^.^ (he loves it)
Anyway keep up the great work!
DUDE WHY MAN !!! ME AND SOME MANY OTHERS DREAM OF WORKING IN DC OR MARVEL THEY ARE TOO BUSY HIRING THESE HACKS BRUH
Franseco Martina isn't the only DC artist to be accused of using AI, Andrea Sorrentino, and former Falun Gong cult member Daxiong had their art removed for using AI
I love how she attacks ai art I just subscribed
damn, zeen chin is my senior who graduated from the same art school from malaysia, this feels even worse knowing he is one of the victim of art tracing.
9:04
Someone who actually cared about Superman wouldn’t draw him like this, so menacing and similar to Injustice Superman. AI just just took the popular Injustice art as well as the more gritty films like BvS, which goes against everything Superman embodies: hope, humanity, optimism.
Look at Dan Mora’s World Finest covers. Look at Superman: Red and Blue #5. Those have so much care and love for the characters and focus on what he is instead of just having a cool aesthetically pleasing but soulless piece made just to get paid.
The Judge Dredd one looks as if he got sucker punched lmao
Where's the line (pun not intended) that separates plagiarism from an industry tradition of swiping?
Big companies wont admit to it coz its their reputation at stake and scandal BUT YOUR IMPACT has reached the rest of mankind and the INFORMED will not be supporting this THIEFFFFFFFFFFFF that should be in jail thanks for exposing him i despise INJUSTICE
And Here I am having a guilty of creating a turnaround 2D animation using 3D model (Which I created for myself)!! Wow!!
In italy he is infamous in the art community, and guess what? HE WAS A FUCKING COMIC TEACHER, IN OUR OFFICIAL COMIC ACCADEMY, they say he is also very full of himself and not a very good person in general
Although this story is very frustrating, the fact that there are folks calling it out brings me joy. I'm not even an artist, but someone who values artistic expression and the value it has when it comes from a HUMAN soul. I will never understand why anyone would quite literally sell their soul just to be lazy about one of the most important things (art) humans have ever created.......
9:08 The S lookin like the Corkscrew on Laguna Seca, I can't. This dude is Greg Land for a new generation
So Francesco Mattina is basically the "Drake" of the comic book world.
You guys all got it wrong, I can kinda see in the Jean one it looks really similar almost identical, but almost everything else fine. Francesco Mattina is a really good artist which is why he's keep getting jobs in the industry, what he's doing is just using reference from other artists and allying it to his art, and every artist does that, David Finch, Jim Lee, all these talented people use reference and I can understand that since I'm an artist myself. Yall are tweaking frrrr
The gift keeps on giving xD
I have a feeling that they have had AI image creators for DECADES and only released it to the public in the last year.
RUclips algorithm is crazy, started drawing not more than 10 days ago and looked at some draw videos, and welp here we are with the drama and I have so many questions LOLOL
I’m not an artist so I can’t really judge this but if you change something enough that it is new art does it matter if the bones were traced?