It’s crazy that this is limited to 16 channels. Seems to have missed the spot a bit. Limit the console UAD2 slots to 16 channels, and still let us have access to all 64 channels in a DAW. Then you’d have had something. All this does is replace the old Live Rack without the added bonus of redundant PSU.
@@nickallottmusic totally agree. They should add more DSP chips and bring it to 32 channels of Dante IO at minimum. That way we can combine 2 and have the full 64
This is great! I have so much dante gear now and this is a great way to integrate things with uad plugins! I do hope they also release expansion cards with dante and thunderbolt so i can upgrade my 2 x8p units. I am very into this release tho
Wish it had some analog I/O. I think this is a step in the right direction for some. A couple of DB25s for AD/DA would crush. It seems like its just a Dante plug in host! Am I wrong?
@@x-dsemusica.a8750 Exactly. Its been what 6 years now with the same old 2D sounding converters. Neumann and Merging Technologies will soon replace all this outdated tech from UA
It boggles my mind that they made a rack unit with an external power brick. That just killed 90% of my interest in this unit, even though a UAD Dante interface is LONG overdue. (Also, only sixteen channels seems a bit of an odd choice, but that one I can live with even if it's not ideal.)
@@theheatstudio I've never really looked at Apollos before because they didn't have Dante and the discontinued the MADI version ages ago. External power supplies are a nightmare to manage in a travel rack...
I’m using a Ql1, adat card and aes card with an old Apollo giving me 10 inserts, lower latency and much lower cost. Plus I have analog inputs. I like this but a simple card for the older devices or satellite that allowed Dante inserts would have sufficed.
@@theheatstudio got ya. This makes sense in live audio. What’s the price difference between the one that comes with the ultimate plugins bundle and the other? I’m only finding the ultimate bundle but I already own most of their plugins.
@@JaguarPanda UA has always used DSP processing for the lowest latency performance available. If you are running a live show, you don’t want any latency. In the studio while you’re mixing, latency is not much of an issue and that’s why some plug-ins are available in native version as well as DSP.
No rugged etherCON ports. Risky for a Dante device intended for live use. If someone trips on a Cat 5 cable it will rip out the rear ports of the Apollo
That's an Audinate design choice, they do not use etherCON on their devices. I guess it has to do with the fact that it's design to be connected to network switches and there are only a handful of models with etherCON. It deploys much easier into any kind of network. It's working perfectly fine in the biggest tours
@@LegendSummingMusic Hi, sessions change the entire console and rebuilds it every time you recall it. Scenes only change parameters inside the plugins so it works better for live sound.
If using multiple x16, does each need to be on dante, or does the x16D act as the main device and others are linked through TB3? Basically if i want 64ch in dante does each x16 need to be dante equipped? Or just 1? The apollo connectivity side of dante was not shown and how the uad boxes interact with each other over dante and how it interacts with console.
You have to connect them all to the network as well as the thunderbolt which can all be daisy chained. You can also connect each one of them to a network switch and even do redundant networks with 2 network switches.
@@theheatstudio i have a dante interface card with redundant setup, but in order for me to track 16+ch you are saying that i need to have each x16 on dante separately? So if i had an apollo x4, i couldnt use it other than a monitor controller? as people with apollo already now need to replace all of them instead of just getting the x16D for dante conectivity... I was hoping it would work just like using their tb3 but can now pass through dante instead of tb3. Just select that as the main unit but they talk over tb3. If this is the case thats really poor integration.
@@thunderhousesound1974 i’m not sure I understand 100% how you want to integrate it but all Dante devices from any company have to be connected to a network or daisy chained if you’re not doing redundant. This is normal behavior for all Dante devices. This Apollo x16D works for great for inserting UAD plugins at low latency for live consoles for example. In a recording studio you can use Dante enabled preamps which have to be connected to a switch as well and then route the signal into the x16D to be processed with UAD plugins
@@theheatstudio i have a dante interface that is nothing but dante port it can do 512ch over dante. I want to be able to track and mix with a hybrid solution justvlike going to tape but need converters to interface over dante. Basically i want how the tb3 works with the apollo, but instead of tb3 it has a dante connection sending the i/o. Ive been looking for a 64ch i/o dante solution and was hoping that uad would do something as im invested in their platform but this is totally not that. They just needed to make a card for their existing interfaces. For me its not usuable as a converter in the digital console realm as i need a dante converter to insert hardware. This is like a glorified waves rack setup but more limiting.
@@theheatstudio thank you for your answer! I’m curious if the live scenario I need to use their software or I can stick to Live professor? They have released it in the perfect time😈
This only has 2 XLR outs and 1 aes in and out so it's totally for getting signals to and from a Dante network at ultra low latency. It is very useful for live sound where the console or stage box is going to be the main phisical IO. Or in my case since I own dente equipment I can now connect my apollo systems to the network without going thru a ton of conversion
I ain't got get bugged again bouncing my mix with that annoying analog noise!! I guess they got that fixed, that's a big audio interface it shouldn't have any bullshit going on in background anymore.
This product was poorly thought out. Making the user still keep the box close to the computer (because it HAS to connect via TB) negates one of the benefits of networked audio. They should have made a version of Console that is controllable via Ethernet. As it stands, this is nothing more than a Satellite with Dante...for $2000.00 more.
I'm sorry, having a DANTE being the ONLY I/O other than TB is crazy and not worth it. UA should just ADD Dante to their apollos(like they did with firewire to TB cards they sold), instead of making a whole new box. Sorry this aint it.
It depends on your needs, for using it as a UAD plugin insert processor there’s no need for any extra I/O if you use Dante or if you’re only mixing and don’t need analog inputs.
I think you’re looking at this device from a point of view it’s not intended to address. This is for all types of audio but really shines in live, broadcast and realtime production environments which almost exclusively Dante these days. What many studio operators are unaware of is that many other manufacturers have recently offered something similar in partnerships with console manufacturers. This brings the massive library of UA solutions to the live world without the need for an additional interface.
@@theheatstudio yes in the very limited use case where you need only Dante connectivity. But I would still argue the better solution is just adding a dante card to existing products. buying a whole new box when a card could be slotted in to existing devices would be more cost effective for the consumer. Buying a whole new box just to use it as a UAD plugin inserter is wild. Unless this box is sub $600 US. How much does it cost?
No innovation at all....!!! it just a plugin box via Dante ......i wouldn't call it an interface....not even an headphone out for self monitoring!! Check new RME products!! There is no 16 AD/DA it is just a DSP box via dante that is what you are buying !!! you may call it a Dante plugin box!!!
It’s crazy that this is limited to 16 channels. Seems to have missed the spot a bit. Limit the console UAD2 slots to 16 channels, and still let us have access to all 64 channels in a DAW. Then you’d have had something. All this does is replace the old Live Rack without the added bonus of redundant PSU.
@@nickallottmusic totally agree. They should add more DSP chips and bring it to 32 channels of Dante IO at minimum. That way we can combine 2 and have the full 64
It really bothers me that the power supply is not built in...
Makes it way harder to use in a professional environment
This is great! I have so much dante gear now and this is a great way to integrate things with uad plugins! I do hope they also release expansion cards with dante and thunderbolt so i can upgrade my 2 x8p units. I am very into this release tho
@@IntheDAW that’s great!!!!
Wish it had some analog I/O. I think this is a step in the right direction for some. A couple of DB25s for AD/DA would crush. It seems like its just a Dante plug in host! Am I wrong?
@@hughesdrive mostly yes, it can also send Dante or AES67 to speakers or serve as a master clock with dual crystals for your system
This is really disappointing I/O. Absolute cash grab by UAD.
Hi Paolo! Did UA update the converter on these new Apollos? Cheers!
No, same great converters!
@@UniversalAudio🔥🎶🔥🎉
@@UniversalAudioWhat is The point to point latency?
@@UniversalAudio Yes, they are great, but why am I going to buy another one if the converters don't improve?
@@x-dsemusica.a8750 Exactly. Its been what 6 years now with the same old 2D sounding converters. Neumann and Merging Technologies will soon replace all this outdated tech from UA
Game changer for broadcast!
Agreed!
So negative some people ,❤congratulations
@@kevinlentz7604 I know right? Thanks!
Great video!
Thanks!!!
Are we ever getting new rack units with improved tech? Been a while with the same old
Yea they are brutally dated nowadays. Even the DSP is horrendously dated.
@@Neekzu I think they will continue serving noob market as there is more money there and easier to sell 300$ interface than 3k.
@@alexreed-ys4dk Absolutely agree. I don't like that either. Comes off as cheap. The interfaces are also below average and gimped with gimmicks. Ugh.
Finally!! Whoot Whoot!!!
Yup!
It boggles my mind that they made a rack unit with an external power brick. That just killed 90% of my interest in this unit, even though a UAD Dante interface is LONG overdue.
(Also, only sixteen channels seems a bit of an odd choice, but that one I can live with even if it's not ideal.)
@@cwichura all Apollo racks have external power supplies, would love to know why it killed 90% of your interest!
@@theheatstudio I've never really looked at Apollos before because they didn't have Dante and the discontinued the MADI version ages ago. External power supplies are a nightmare to manage in a travel rack...
@@cwichura Yep. Especially these old and large outdated bricks.
I’m using a Ql1, adat card and aes card with an old Apollo giving me 10 inserts, lower latency and much lower cost. Plus I have analog inputs. I like this but a simple card for the older devices or satellite that allowed Dante inserts would have sufficed.
That's a great setup! The x16D needs Dante and Thunderbolt so a card wouldn't have worked
@@theheatstudio got ya. This makes sense in live audio. What’s the price difference between the one that comes with the ultimate plugins bundle and the other? I’m only finding the ultimate bundle but I already own most of their plugins.
@@mikeboltz check out your local dealer for correct pricing but it’s basically a 1k difference!
OMFG! Bananas! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Let’s go!
@@MasterOneMusic si señor!!!!!!
I don't get it, they're going the native route with spark and now they make a u-turn with a plugin box!?
@@JaguarPanda UA has always used DSP processing for the lowest latency performance available. If you are running a live show, you don’t want any latency. In the studio while you’re mixing, latency is not much of an issue and that’s why some plug-ins are available in native version as well as DSP.
If I want to do dobly atmos with genelec speakers it only will use one cable ? Can you do a video for Atmos ?
Hi, as described in the video for AES67 you connect the primary out from the x16D into a network switch and from there distribute to each speaker!
No rugged etherCON ports. Risky for a Dante device intended for live use. If someone trips on a Cat 5 cable it will rip out the rear ports of the Apollo
That's an Audinate design choice, they do not use etherCON on their devices. I guess it has to do with the fact that it's design to be connected to network switches and there are only a handful of models with etherCON. It deploys much easier into any kind of network. It's working perfectly fine in the biggest tours
What’s the difference between scenes & console sessions?
@@LegendSummingMusic Hi, sessions change the entire console and rebuilds it every time you recall it. Scenes only change parameters inside the plugins so it works better for live sound.
Good lord...
One word:
Antelope
If using multiple x16, does each need to be on dante, or does the x16D act as the main device and others are linked through TB3? Basically if i want 64ch in dante does each x16 need to be dante equipped? Or just 1? The apollo connectivity side of dante was not shown and how the uad boxes interact with each other over dante and how it interacts with console.
You have to connect them all to the network as well as the thunderbolt which can all be daisy chained. You can also connect each one of them to a network switch and even do redundant networks with 2 network switches.
@@theheatstudio i have a dante interface card with redundant setup, but in order for me to track 16+ch you are saying that i need to have each x16 on dante separately? So if i had an apollo x4, i couldnt use it other than a monitor controller? as people with apollo already now need to replace all of them instead of just getting the x16D for dante conectivity... I was hoping it would work just like using their tb3 but can now pass through dante instead of tb3. Just select that as the main unit but they talk over tb3. If this is the case thats really poor integration.
I just realized that this doesnt have analog i/o... WTF? This is dumbest product. Its so you can use plugins over dante...
@@thunderhousesound1974 i’m not sure I understand 100% how you want to integrate it but all Dante devices from any company have to be connected to a network or daisy chained if you’re not doing redundant. This is normal behavior for all Dante devices. This Apollo x16D works for great for inserting UAD plugins at low latency for live consoles for example. In a recording studio you can use Dante enabled preamps which have to be connected to a switch as well and then route the signal into the x16D to be processed with UAD plugins
@@theheatstudio i have a dante interface that is nothing but dante port it can do 512ch over dante. I want to be able to track and mix with a hybrid solution justvlike going to tape but need converters to interface over dante. Basically i want how the tb3 works with the apollo, but instead of tb3 it has a dante connection sending the i/o. Ive been looking for a 64ch i/o dante solution and was hoping that uad would do something as im invested in their platform but this is totally not that. They just needed to make a card for their existing interfaces. For me its not usuable as a converter in the digital console realm as i need a dante converter to insert hardware. This is like a glorified waves rack setup but more limiting.
The price... The price is too much expensive for this 😅
how big is the latency in live sound?
@@karolandres4195 with the Dante card in this interface is 0.5 ms roundtrip without adding plugins
@@theheatstudio thank you for your answer! I’m curious if the live scenario I need to use their software or I can stick to Live professor? They have released it in the perfect time😈
It's here. Thank you Paolo. Alex Qi here.
Finally!
“First look” didn’t even turn the thing on…
@@diegooliveirabenjamin clearly didn’t watch the video
Is my Apollo x8p garbage now???????
@@mattelder4269 totally different products, completely different applications so no
This only has 2 XLR outs and 1 aes in and out so it's totally for getting signals to and from a Dante network at ultra low latency. It is very useful for live sound where the console or stage box is going to be the main phisical IO. Or in my case since I own dente equipment I can now connect my apollo systems to the network without going thru a ton of conversion
@@IntheDAW absolutely right!
I ain't got get bugged again bouncing my mix with that annoying analog noise!!
I guess they got that fixed, that's a big audio interface it shouldn't have any bullshit going on in background anymore.
Is it just me or does this look absolutely disappointing? Especially for this crazy high price.
16 in and 16 out?? THATS IT?? Wow, what a horrible money grab.
UAD really messed up on this one!!! Wow
Universal Audio: People are really going to take this like they've been breadcrumbed.
You guys are better than this!
This product was poorly thought out. Making the user still keep the box close to the computer (because it HAS to connect via TB) negates one of the benefits of networked audio. They should have made a version of Console that is controllable via Ethernet. As it stands, this is nothing more than a Satellite with Dante...for $2000.00 more.
I'm sorry, having a DANTE being the ONLY I/O other than TB is crazy and not worth it. UA should just ADD Dante to their apollos(like they did with firewire to TB cards they sold), instead of making a whole new box. Sorry this aint it.
It depends on your needs, for using it as a UAD plugin insert processor there’s no need for any extra I/O if you use Dante or if you’re only mixing and don’t need analog inputs.
I think you’re looking at this device from a point of view it’s not intended to address. This is for all types of audio but really shines in live, broadcast and realtime production environments which almost exclusively Dante these days. What many studio operators are unaware of is that many other manufacturers have recently offered something similar in partnerships with console manufacturers. This brings the massive library of UA solutions to the live world without the need for an additional interface.
@@theheatstudio yes in the very limited use case where you need only Dante connectivity. But I would still argue the better solution is just adding a dante card to existing products. buying a whole new box when a card could be slotted in to existing devices would be more cost effective for the consumer. Buying a whole new box just to use it as a UAD plugin inserter is wild. Unless this box is sub $600 US. How much does it cost?
@@michaelconner7149 ahhhh I feel that re: broadcast. That makes more sense.
@@michaelconner7149good points and true. But what is "massive library of UA solutions" ?
No innovation at all....!!! it just a plugin box via Dante ......i wouldn't call it an interface....not even an headphone out for self monitoring!! Check new RME products!! There is no 16 AD/DA it is just a DSP box via dante that is what you are buying !!! you may call it a Dante plugin box!!!
Some people are so negative
We need to be negative!! You can also call it critique. UAD is recycling age old hardware!!! How can you not realize?
UA is dead tech
Only thier license IP for name brand is worth