He also threatens to kill Lillie in USUM and boasts about having possibly killed Paulo's Rockruff in Pokemon Masters EX, causing Paulo to straight up inherit Lysandre's ambition and unleash what had potential to be Pokemon's Armageddon. and then Giovanni, being Giovanni, seized control of that entire climax and became the final boss.
Man, Team Flare was so half-baked. I've heard that originally they were supposed to be aliens, and Gamefreak scrapped the idea halfway through development, and… I mean, I've gotta believe it, cuz there's no better explanation for how unfinished that section of the plot was.
I heard that Professor Sycamore and Lysandre were originally gonna be one character, but then the concept for this character got split into 2 characters
Hell yes, Team Galactic representing the Crazy Ones. Cyrus (in Platinum at least) is my favorite team boss because of how absurd his plot is. He thinks the world sucks so he's going to DESTROY IT and then make another, cooler world and put at least some of the people from the original world in it just so that they can see he's right. And his idea of 'cooler world' is 'remove human spirit', which translates in practice to 'remove human emotion.' Spirit in Sinnoh is split into the emotion-willpower-intelligence trio, and Cyrus only really has beef with emotion. The man is peak at making his problem everyone's problem.
Good video, I just had one gripe. I definitely thought team plasma was the most nefarious, in bw there were members abusing a munna in the dreamyard along with ghetsis brainwashing and using N for his own benefit. Then ghetsis trying to kill the protagonist in b2w2. Along with lots of kidnappings of pokemon in b2w2.
to be fair a few members doing something really bad doesn't mean all members of the team are as bad as them it's like saying the nazis weren't bad because some of them were just soliders following orders and not actually full on jew hating nazis
if "bad snowstorm" one can argue Wulfric's done an equal crime because all the snow in Snowbelle City was made from that gym itself rather than the actual weather!
In Generations, we see that, even if the frozen stuff didn't kill anyone, Team Plasma opened with straight bombing homes, blowing up residential areas, and turning your 8 historical building into 8 historical holes in the ground, like they try to make it pretty clear that people died in that And then they get to the actual freezing, straight up showing the bodies, even if they ain't dead they defo gonna need an amputation or something because the frostbite is going to be crazy Worse part is that they weren't actually aiming to cause death and damage, they just wanted to scare Drayden a bit, Colress just wanted to see if he could and then killed thousands in a second
Eh, I think Team Rocket should've made the list bc they straight up kiII pokémon, like Cubone's mother (poaching), which obviously isn't on the same level as the crimes against humanity of other teams, but it is still reprehensible
i mean team flare is kind of trash no different from galactic both plans would end the world. team galactic was undone because the leader let the player release the lake trio then ask why they(lake trio) stop him when he had abuse them. team flare was some how worse everyone is forgettable except just Lysander who plan was the height of stupid. he kill everything and wipe out beauty. team plasma was run by a guy with a god complex who raised a child to see humans as bad on propose bringing only Pokémon hurt by humans to manipulate N. then he abuse N more by telling him the truth and calling him a freak at the end of BW. in BW2 he has a new team he wasn't done, freeze over a city, then the final battle tries to kill the player a child. to me team flare plan has the one moment vs team plasma which has multiple crimes covering BW to BW2.
Funniest part about Team Flare is the idea was that the gun would kill all leaf except Team Flare Including plant life INCLUDING ALL THE DAMN FOOD Lysander in USUM clearly recognized how dumb his plan was since he's the first villain to suffer a mental break from winning rather than being beaten by a 10 year old
Star wasn't even the villain of their own storyline though. Harrington and the old school staff were the villains of the Star plot and people don't even remember that. Skull was compliant in a kidnapping so, even though it was on Aether's word, they still qualify as villains. Galactic in two different mangas kidnap a kid and raise her as a living weapon (though Phantom Thief Pokemon 7 is a bit unusual since their Galactic doesn't have much resemblance to the one in the game. DPA though...that poor kid tried to kill herself after realizing the full weight of what she'd done) Also is it legally murder if you resurrect people afterwards? I guess that's a bit of an odd question but that was what Galactic was after. Especially since they'd also be forever altered, having their entire brain chemistry changed to be incapable of feeling emotions. And that's pretty wild. How do you feel about the more independent villains like the SV professors or Volo or even Chairman Rose, whose actions don't seem to have much to do with his organization? And how about side games?
Out of all the villains. Flare was the worst one. I may not take seriously the motivations of Team Magma and Aqua, but the point is that they are extremists who do genuinely wanted to help Hoenn. With Archie expanding Water Type Pokemon ecosystem or Maxie trying to expand more land.Sure they were jokes but at least the game didn't take them seriously. But Team Flare I cannot take seriously especially their uniforms and poor motivations. Lysandre and Xerosic was the only members I remembered. But I couldn't take Lysandre seriously. His motivations that the Pokeworld can be cruel could make sense in some extent, yet his ways as well as stupid moments was trying to eliminate both pokemon and humans because he had "no choice". Seriously...sigh. I get they want to show how tragic it is yet he still wanted to commit massive destruction towards people. The legendary pokemon by pokemon teams is overdone at this point, and X and Y showed how bad if executed incorrectly. However if there is one thing I enjoyed about Lysandre that the games sadly never developed is his relationship with Sycamore. He was a friend to Sycamore during their time together as student and mentee. I'm sure he appreciated Sycamore's company and based on Sycamore's words he did cared for his friend too. I feel if X and Y expanded their series, Lysandre could've been a tragic villain if Sycamore was more involved in stopping Lysandre with you. Heck, even the weird original ideas were that Lysandre was the XY trainer's father. Yes the I am your father trope is done too much, yet if done well they could've done that. Or a concept art according to a 2018 article revealed Lysandre was an alien and that Sycamore of all people was his Jekyll persona. Yes in the original 2018 article Sycamore and Lysnadre were one and the same. Imagine that. However the Lysandre we got wasn't great and because of this he is the black sheep of Pokemon villainy. But if there's anything redeemable about him, the anime and Adventures Manga made him the Best. And Pokemon Masters EX made him written well.
Team magma shouldn't be on this list, they just wanted to make more land for people and pokemon to live on they just went about it in the wrong way team aqua on the other hand are full on eco terrorist who wanted to flood the world, sure maybe they wanted to do it so the sea pokemon would have more room or some shit like that but the sea is pretty damn big already and they would've killed so many people and land pokemon, do fish really matter that much that every one else has to die?
@@TheeBreadShow being dumb doesn't make someone evil tho if it did team star should 100% be on this list damn penny alone should be at the top of the list and also in jail for her crimes like the people from gen 8s post game who for some reason no one ever tried to put in jail even though they were full on terrorist trying to take over the country
@@historicflame972 but that wasn't their goal so doesn't make them evil, if someone tried to harness the power of the sun to power the whole world but ended up blowing it up by mistake would you call that person evil or were they someone trying to do something good but it all went wrong
@@Ashadar_Resouley Team Magma and Team Aqua would've caused equally huge mass casualty events for what they believed to be a good cause, pick your poison, drowning/eaten or being boiled alive
5:55 Ghetsis tries to kill the player in BW2, I'd consider that to be pretty evil, more so since the protagonist is a child
He also threatens to kill Lillie in USUM and boasts about having possibly killed Paulo's Rockruff in Pokemon Masters EX, causing Paulo to straight up inherit Lysandre's ambition and unleash what had potential to be Pokemon's Armageddon.
and then Giovanni, being Giovanni, seized control of that entire climax and became the final boss.
Man, Team Flare was so half-baked. I've heard that originally they were supposed to be aliens, and Gamefreak scrapped the idea halfway through development, and… I mean, I've gotta believe it, cuz there's no better explanation for how unfinished that section of the plot was.
That would’ve been the craziest idea ever 😂😂😂 but yeah maybe that’s why we got the only sequel Pokémon game ever
@@TheeBreadShow ...Whoopsie, I said plasma instead of flare...
Let me just edit that...
I heard that Professor Sycamore and Lysandre were originally gonna be one character, but then the concept for this character got split into 2 characters
Hell yes, Team Galactic representing the Crazy Ones. Cyrus (in Platinum at least) is my favorite team boss because of how absurd his plot is. He thinks the world sucks so he's going to DESTROY IT and then make another, cooler world and put at least some of the people from the original world in it just so that they can see he's right.
And his idea of 'cooler world' is 'remove human spirit', which translates in practice to 'remove human emotion.' Spirit in Sinnoh is split into the emotion-willpower-intelligence trio, and Cyrus only really has beef with emotion. The man is peak at making his problem everyone's problem.
Good video, I just had one gripe. I definitely thought team plasma was the most nefarious, in bw there were members abusing a munna in the dreamyard along with ghetsis brainwashing and using N for his own benefit. Then ghetsis trying to kill the protagonist in b2w2. Along with lots of kidnappings of pokemon in b2w2.
Team plasma was def top three, abusing that Munna was crazy stuff😭 ghetsis was on one fasho, I definitely understand where you’re coming from
to be fair a few members doing something really bad doesn't mean all members of the team are as bad as them it's like saying the nazis weren't bad because some of them were just soliders following orders and not actually full on jew hating nazis
@@Ashadar_Resouley they were still complicit in the same shit though.
I've always wondered if the Opelucid attacks were closer to "bad snowstorm" or "Never Forget" levels of bad lol
I always thought it was a bad snowstorm simulator 😂😂
if "bad snowstorm" one can argue Wulfric's done an equal crime because all the snow in Snowbelle City was made from that gym itself rather than the actual weather!
In Generations, we see that, even if the frozen stuff didn't kill anyone, Team Plasma opened with straight bombing homes, blowing up residential areas, and turning your 8 historical building into 8 historical holes in the ground, like they try to make it pretty clear that people died in that
And then they get to the actual freezing, straight up showing the bodies, even if they ain't dead they defo gonna need an amputation or something because the frostbite is going to be crazy
Worse part is that they weren't actually aiming to cause death and damage, they just wanted to scare Drayden a bit, Colress just wanted to see if he could and then killed thousands in a second
Eh, I think Team Rocket should've made the list bc they straight up kiII pokémon, like Cubone's mother (poaching), which obviously isn't on the same level as the crimes against humanity of other teams, but it is still reprehensible
Team rocket is definitely the most mob like though. Probably the one team you wouldn't want to mess with above all of them.
The mob mentality is deeep with them😂
i mean team flare is kind of trash no different from galactic both plans would end the world.
team galactic was undone because the leader let the player release the lake trio then ask why they(lake trio) stop him when he had abuse them.
team flare was some how worse everyone is forgettable except just Lysander who plan was the height of stupid. he kill everything and wipe out beauty.
team plasma was run by a guy with a god complex who raised a child to see humans as bad on propose bringing only Pokémon hurt by humans to manipulate N. then he abuse N more by telling him the truth and calling him a freak at the end of BW. in BW2 he has a new team he wasn't done, freeze over a city, then the final battle tries to kill the player a child.
to me team flare plan has the one moment vs team plasma which has multiple crimes covering BW to BW2.
A lot of the evil team leaders ahead god complexes, Cyrus says included 😂 these guys were straight maniacs
Funniest part about Team Flare is the idea was that the gun would kill all leaf except Team Flare
Including plant life
INCLUDING ALL THE DAMN FOOD
Lysander in USUM clearly recognized how dumb his plan was since he's the first villain to suffer a mental break from winning rather than being beaten by a 10 year old
I’m rolling with Team Rocket 🚀
EVERYONE SHAMMMMEEE THIS MAN
Star wasn't even the villain of their own storyline though. Harrington and the old school staff were the villains of the Star plot and people don't even remember that.
Skull was compliant in a kidnapping so, even though it was on Aether's word, they still qualify as villains.
Galactic in two different mangas kidnap a kid and raise her as a living weapon (though Phantom Thief Pokemon 7 is a bit unusual since their Galactic doesn't have much resemblance to the one in the game. DPA though...that poor kid tried to kill herself after realizing the full weight of what she'd done)
Also is it legally murder if you resurrect people afterwards? I guess that's a bit of an odd question but that was what Galactic was after. Especially since they'd also be forever altered, having their entire brain chemistry changed to be incapable of feeling emotions. And that's pretty wild.
How do you feel about the more independent villains like the SV professors or Volo or even Chairman Rose, whose actions don't seem to have much to do with his organization? And how about side games?
Out of all the villains. Flare was the worst one. I may not take seriously the motivations of Team Magma and Aqua, but the point is that they are extremists who do genuinely wanted to help Hoenn. With Archie expanding Water Type Pokemon ecosystem or Maxie trying to expand more land.Sure they were jokes but at least the game didn't take them seriously.
But Team Flare I cannot take seriously especially their uniforms and poor motivations. Lysandre and Xerosic was the only members I remembered. But I couldn't take Lysandre seriously. His motivations that the Pokeworld can be cruel could make sense in some extent, yet his ways as well as stupid moments was trying to eliminate both pokemon and humans because he had "no choice". Seriously...sigh. I get they want to show how tragic it is yet he still wanted to commit massive destruction towards people. The legendary pokemon by pokemon teams is overdone at this point, and X and Y showed how bad if executed incorrectly.
However if there is one thing I enjoyed about Lysandre that the games sadly never developed is his relationship with Sycamore. He was a friend to Sycamore during their time together as student and mentee. I'm sure he appreciated Sycamore's company and based on Sycamore's words he did cared for his friend too. I feel if X and Y expanded their series, Lysandre could've been a tragic villain if Sycamore was more involved in stopping Lysandre with you. Heck, even the weird original ideas were that Lysandre was the XY trainer's father. Yes the I am your father trope is done too much, yet if done well they could've done that. Or a concept art according to a 2018 article revealed Lysandre was an alien and that Sycamore of all people was his Jekyll persona. Yes in the original 2018 article Sycamore and Lysnadre were one and the same. Imagine that. However the Lysandre we got wasn't great and because of this he is the black sheep of Pokemon villainy.
But if there's anything redeemable about him, the anime and Adventures Manga made him the Best. And Pokemon Masters EX made him written well.
Wasn't that article more of a a random "what if we did this" idea that never got very far during production?
Team magma shouldn't be on this list, they just wanted to make more land for people and pokemon to live on they just went about it in the wrong way team aqua on the other hand are full on eco terrorist who wanted to flood the world, sure maybe they wanted to do it so the sea pokemon would have more room or some shit like that but the sea is pretty damn big already and they would've killed so many people and land pokemon, do fish really matter that much that every one else has to die?
Yeah but there ideas were incredibly dumb in the way they handled it ig😭😭
@@TheeBreadShow being dumb doesn't make someone evil tho if it did team star should 100% be on this list damn penny alone should be at the top of the list and also in jail for her crimes like the people from gen 8s post game who for some reason no one ever tried to put in jail even though they were full on terrorist trying to take over the country
If Team Magma one, Groundon would've gone full Godzilla and nuked everyone, them included
@@historicflame972 but that wasn't their goal so doesn't make them evil, if someone tried to harness the power of the sun to power the whole world but ended up blowing it up by mistake would you call that person evil or were they someone trying to do something good but it all went wrong
@@Ashadar_Resouley Team Magma and Team Aqua would've caused equally huge mass casualty events for what they believed to be a good cause, pick your poison, drowning/eaten or being boiled alive
Great video! Look forward to what you do next
Thanks fr‼️ I got more Pokemon , Nintendo , and anime videos coming out (and game shows and stuff)
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