BONUS VIDEO | The Mosiah First Translation of the Book of Mormon
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- The Paul brothers from The Stick of Joseph RUclips Channel interview Mike about the method and timeline of the translation of The Book of Mormon. They dive into issues faced by Millennial Church members--why authenticity in faith matters, how the Bible was put together, and much more. The Stick of Joseph RUclips channel seeks to make the Book of Mormon accessible to all ages by making engaging, entertaining and informative content. / @thestickofjoseph
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➡ Historical sources citing that Joseph used a seer stone AND other historical sources citing that he used the Urim and Thummim:
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➡In the original manuscript of the Book of Mormon, the handwriting of John Whitmer shows up in 1st Nephi, suggesting that Joseph translated the Small Plates while living in the Whitmer home in June 1829 at the end of the translation effort. The Joseph Smith Papers cites the handwriting as belonging to John Whitmer, Oliver Cowdery, and another unidentified person:
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While translating they relied on Joseph Knight in Colesville for food. Joseph and Oliver traveled the 23 miles to the Knight farm asking for help, Father Knight was not home, but when he learned about Joseph Smith asking for help he purchased a barrel of Mackerel and lined paper and loaded a wagon with food and took it to Joseph. The Knight family loved and believed Joseph and supported him their entire lives.
Very well said, Bro Whetstone.
I heard these stories from family genealogy.
Talking scripture has some of THE best info out there. The one and only reason I wouldn’t listen to the podcast is because I couldn’t “watch” it. I’m so glad your changing it up👍🏼. Thank you for all your hard work😊
Wish my millenial grandsons would listen to this
Text him the link. ;-)
I graduated twice from Institute at the Boise Institute. I would have taken all of Mike’s classes if were in Utah and probably multiple times too!!
To Jackson's question about Joseph Smith saying the Book of Mormon containing errors of men, loved the Brigham Young quote. As Brother Joseph grew in his own understanding, he likely would have used different words as he translated. I so appreciate the humanity of the translation process. Even the D&C must have been such a challenge to SEE a vision and then have to put it into words.
Regarding general conference format, sometimes it helps me when I remember that the leaders of the Church are addressing the entire world, Church members of many different cultures. Sharing carefully prepared words makes more sense then.
Great podcast, everyone!
Mike Day! Finally we can see your face. Now it's Bryce Dunford's turn. Loved this.
Bryce dunford has a separate RUclips channel / institute class w wonderful content. Search his name and his videos will pop up.
Mike is a lot more jacked than I expected haha
If you ever need to remember the date when Moroni appeared to Joseph, just think of the Earth Wind and Fire Song, September:
Do you remember? The 21st night of September? (It's the 22nd that Joseph returned yearly on that date.)
😂 perfect!
Thanks for putting the interview here too. My first experience with Bro. Day was this interview on Stick of Joseph. Well worth it.
It’s great to finally see your (handsome) face! Followed you all the way through COVID.
Hey- Great episode! Mike Day is a powerhouse of knowledge.
Love Bro. Day nice to see your face!
Talking scripture is my favorite because it is the right length to my attention span of learning. I dont need drawings on blackboard. You both move forward without one overpowering the other. I also like male voices teaching gospel principles . I like learning by listening, not by watching so hopefully you continue the same way and those who want to watch, will win too! These are some of the easons Talking scripture has been my favorite. And you both are knowledgeable and can set the scenes for our times. Now I will " watch" this interview. Thank you for all you do!
Thanks!!
I always listen to Mike and Bryce. Love their podcasts. Thank you!
This was so beautiful. I really enjoyed it. When you read with feeling those precious words it brings tears toy eyes. It "hath a familiar spirit" to me, no matter how many times I hear it...and I'm Swede/Scot!❤❤❤
Thank you so much!
I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve watched this. Love it every time.
Brilliant content, MD is an incredible wealth of knowledge ❤!!!
Used his show notes Today Sep 3rd for my lesson. Was Extremly helpful!!
Great!
@@talkingscripture problem was I spent spent more time on chapters 8-10 skipped 11 lol and only 10 min for 12 and 13... But then again how often are 12 and 13 talked about? Perhaps it was better talking about stoicism 😁
Its much less fantastical to believe that seer stones and hats were used to translate a book as it would be to believe back in Joseph's day, that in our day, we would have a handheld device and be able to ask it any question, or be able to talk to people all the way around the world in real time seeing their faces.
My thought, too!
I love this way of learning about the scriptures. Your informal approach is so much more informant than sitting in Gospel doctrine class. Thank you so much.
I loved this discussion SO much! ❤ Please do more of these together!
Hayden and Jackson are the best. We will do more!
Daily scripture reading today was Mosiah 18. Multiple wonderful messages in this chapter.
Such an amazing collab! I love both your channels
I subscribed already- The Stick of Joseph ..so excited here!
This was thrilling!
Great video. Thanks!
I enjoyed this discussion. Some great nuggets. I think it is more engaging and interesting having you on camera!
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This.
Is.
Awesome!!!!!
Now do a deep dive in Revelation chapter 8!
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Oh, I want to take a class by Mike! I didn't have the opportunity to take an institute class, but would've loved it!
As the mother of a millennial, I want to thank you for your insight, (even if it was a tangent 😂). I appreciate your honesty and willingness to speak up for what might need to change to make the church more welcoming for all!
Loved this! Thank you for sharing your time and thoughts ❤
This is awesome. Excited to watch the docuseries!
I LOVED seeing you Mike. Your a pretty handsome guy. It really is wonderful, I’ve been following you from the very beginning and it is really great to see you live. Have no fear 🤣🤣🤣
I love the video!! Keep doing more 😊
This was so amazing. God bless
I’m so glad you will be doing a BoM archaeology documentary, please, please include Beit Lehi!! It’s truly amazing!
Happy to put a face to your voice. My husband is Mike and my son is Bryce. I always giggle when I quote you guys to my guys.
That’s funny!
Amazing podcast
Thanks for listening
Great to see you, funny guy🤓 Keep up the really great work, much appreciated.
Don't be shy about Joseph Smith using the animal skin hat without the seerstone or with the the stone: He was blessed: he was a seer! When he looked in the hat he saw the words in english l believe: l think Bradley said that Joseph Smith may have had more than just what is recorded in the JS testimony of the First Vision! So it was a miracle definitely! Nothing to be shy or embarrassed that investigators get turned off with! It sounds crazy but Joseph Smith was a seer: So be bold: Yeah l love the Talking Scriptures! Thanks guys!🎉
1h 21m mark on video, "...Mormon is the Kanye West of the scripture world!" 😅
Was a good listen. Enjoyed the content. Thank you, gentlemen.
Thanks for listening!
This was so good! You guys have such good energy. I hope you do a video with Mike Day again.
We just released another one!
What a great video!! I learned so much and am grateful for your dedication to bring the world His truth.
Just FYI....Mike Day needs NO academic credit here - we are his people! He IS the credit for this podcast!! Mike you rock - keep geeking out - we LOVE it!!
Love this! ☀️💕
PLEASE you really HAVE TO do an episode about the holy of holys and the tree and the cube etc!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
When receiving information on our iPhones in the twenty first century, often we need to be close to our router to receive messages…. Perhaps the plates acted in that fashion in the early 19th century…. Heavenly Father is kind, merciful and omnipotent…. Adapting His communications to our preparations
This is the kind of fellowship I desire
I have a family history story of my 4g grandmother wasat the Whitmore house while joseph was translating the book of Mormon in the upstairs of the Whitmore home. She comments on the look of joseph when he would come down at the end of the day.
I think if you review Rod Meldrum, David Neville, Hannah Stoddard and Wayne May, you will come to the conclusion that no seer stone was used. They did heavy investigative work on all accounts, not the narrative only.
I love your podcasts very much and always get so much from them. ❤
The errors that Mormon was talking about are due to the difficulties in engraving, where an error of writing down something can't be corrected. They are evident when they say things such as "they buried their weapons of peace, or rather, they buried their weapons of war for peace." That was an error that was corrected. Similar things are found in the Hebrew scriptures, but weren't corrected by a prophet.
I didn't know it was so controversial that it was both translation processes. I can understand some people having a hard time with the seer stone as it doesn't match the narrative they have in their head, but I always thought that was a post lost pages process.
So cool. Do more episodes like this!
Re Sacrament Meeting (I don't do this either, yet, but) Elder Richard G Scott went to all meetings with a pen and notebook and took notes (he inferred this explicitly in a Gen Con talk). He not only noted what he was hearing but also of the impressions he was receiving as he listened. It appears that he also left room on the page for more because he said he would review those notes later and receive more impressions.
How quickly would the understanding and faith of all of us keep forward if each of us did this? And so why am I not doing it yet?
The BOM is the only book that explains the Father has a plan for everyone, and that tells me He’s GOOD! Everyone accounted for and everything in order ❤️VANA
For interesting perspective on the flood, go watch the “Answers in Genesis” videos on it…they do a pretty thorough job of showing how the flood was quite literal just as written in the Bible.
At 1:11:25 a box indicates Nephi used Hebrew script and Egyptian language.
That is opposite my understanding. His Hebrew script was not the Hebrew script that we see in the dead sea scrolls. It was the head of a bull and stick figures for consonants, also without vowels. It was be cause of the babylonian exile to come when Hebrew script gets the script that we are familiar with. It is because the old script was so laborious to write that Nephi used Egyptian characters (hyratic, likely, not hieroglyphic) to make writing easier and to fill a small space with more information.
Mike looks like a cool Bishop!
This is awesome
Let's also have a video with Bryce!
There will be one!
I like seeing your face too! Delightful😊
Totally different than I pictured you😂 the live version is much better😉👍🏻
Hey Hayden!!
Hayden and Jackson are the best!
I really think my generation (Gen X) and before, are the generations of faith. These next generations seem to need more proof to believe. It’s sad to me, that some of my kids are in this latter category. They want to believe, but they need more tangible proof to do so.
My oldest knew that Santa wasn’t real at five years old, because she just knew an old, fat man would not fit down our wood stove chimney pipe. And she’s the same way with the Book of Mormon, angels, and all the rest of it. I was never like that. I still believe in Santa 🥹. These up and coming generations aren’t like most of us older folk are. Faith should be enough, but it just isn’t anymore.
I believe what Joseph Smith said about translation
At 10:30 I LOVE the comment about instead of saying the world that made the Bible to flip it around and say the world made by the Bible. This is a profound paradigm shift that goes right along with what the Sealed Portion happens to be. I'm referring to the book sealed with seven seals mentioned in Revelation 5:1-5. The seven days of creation are the seven seals. They are the prophetic master blueprint of the seven millennia of the old world. Biblical creation is the SCRIPT for a cycle of human civilization. We are entering into the new world of America and the LDS Restoration of the Priesthood and the Church are literally the Adam and Eve of the new world. We were placed in the Garden in Jackson Co. Missouri, but we transgressed there and were driven out by the extermination order. We were clothed in the garment in Nauvoo and then driven out into the lone and dreary world of the Great Basin. We are still under the buffetings of the adversary until our day of redemption comes, which is when Adam receives the further light and knowledge and is able to be sanctified and redeemed. Our future as the LDS is going to change dramatically when we can show the world that we are "man" of day 6 of creation. Protestantism is the "beasts". Christianity and Islam are the fish and fowls of day 5. And, of course, Jesus is the greater light to rule the day of day 4. Once creation is seen in this manner, the term SCRIPTURES will make a whole lot more sense.
Loved this. Very informative. It ranged all over and I loved all of it, except for this assertion I've been hearing a lot lately, that Boomers-GenXers only valued loyalty, but Millenials-GenZers value authenticity. Seems a little pre-judge-y and self-congratulatory. You might want to rethink how you represent this concept. I don't think it does any favors for Geezers or Youngsters to pit themselves against each other like that.
I think Mike you look like Moses in the 10 Commandments.
I'm almost 50, but I love the authenticity of Primary. RS feels very scripted. If authenticity presents itself in RS, it seems to quickly get buried
Can you next book please be dad jokes of the scriptures
That’d be an excellent read. I think you’re on to something!
I lean towards Hanna Stoddard and think that the seer stone story is not correct (at least as far as translating is concerned).
Help! I’m confused. We’re the lost pages paper pages? Or plate pages?
Joseph had a manuscript of the plates from the time of Lehi to King Benjamin’s reign. Martin took them to show his family, and this paper manuscript was “lost” (stolen). When Joseph began translating after this tragic event, he began in the Book of Mosiah, where we read King Benjamin’s discourse in Mosiah 1-6. In June of 1829, Joseph translated the Small Plates, or what we know as 1-2 Nephi, Jacob, Enos, Jarom, Omni.
Noah’s ark held all of the animals that were the basic animals. And that is why there were male and female. And these animals were the babies of these animals. Also after the flood when the animals left the ark they started to inter breed. And that is why we have all of the different breeds of animals that we have today. There were two of each kind.
I totally get Mike’s ADD brain 😂
Wow.. I saw the face 😊😊
What is Don Bradley’s book titled?
I know you are talking about a different topic today but I have a troubling question that I just discovered yesterday. What is the explanation for the scripture in Alma that says Jesus was born in Jerusalem? I don’t buy the explanation that Bethlehem is only 6 miles south of Jerusalem from some of the people in the church have stated.
It doesn’t say “in” Jerusalem. It says “at” Jerusalem. There is a difference. “At” can mean nearby or close. If you go visit Jerusalem, and if the wall of partition was removed, it’d be a relatively short trip!
Another consideration: Alma's talking to a people that came from Jerusalem to the other side of the world five hundred years earlier. I wouldn't be surprised if their old world geography wasn't the best. I don't bother telling people which smallish town I'm from unless they know the local geography, I tell them what big city it was near.
Is there a social media platform available to attend offered institute courses with Mike? Please say yes....
This is the platform. We try to post material weekly so stay tuned!
I propose that the Book of Mormon was not translated. It was revealed.
Excuse me, but I don’t like that you’re saying General Conference is not “authentic”. I don’t see that it’s any less “authentic” than a live conversation broadcast on some other platform or BYU channel or whatever. I feel the spirit strongly listening to general conference. I love the general authorities and our prophets. They are truly inspired by God as to the things they prepare for us because we need to hear them in our day! Just my opinion!
I apologize for my comment. I meant to express the sentiment that when we are being recorded, we speak differently. Recorded remarks open the speaker to more intense scrutiny, opening them up to later criticism and accounatability. Being recorded can induce a touch of anxiety, knowing that one's comment can be misunderstood or taken out of context. In essence, the act of recording introduces a heightened sense of observation and potential judgment, which can lead to more self-conscious and deliberate communication. The opposite can be true when one is able to communicate their feelings knowing they are not being recorded. Having been present at different settings with the general authorities, to me, there is something more spontaneous and less guarded when they are in a setting that is not broadcast to the world, but rather presented to a small audience. The comment I made to the Paul brothers was off the cuff and reflected this view, although not delivered very well. I did not think it would be in the recording and again I apologize for any offense given.
Noah brought 7 of the animals that Noah and his family could eat while they sailed on the ark for a year.
No sound?
Oh, there it is!
You're cute Mike enjoy your podcast
I was just thinking, it would be nice to sew your faces!
Hi, I’m just wish lots of you guys/podcasters/BYU/Radio/RUclips channels to stop using so much time trying to prove Joseph didn’t “made” the Book of Mormon and try to help us, the members, understand what it is the Book (and I’m not talking about geographies or DNA, I’m talking about the Temple).
Wish the history nonsense would just stop and we can focus on today, the scriptures, 20:39 in gaining knowledge that’s useful to guide us for our day. Get over the history stories because we may have no firsthand or definite knowledge of whatever happened. It’s ridiculous to waste this much time on the past either arguing or discussing opinions over and over resulting in the same old conclusions.
I am glad that you mentioned that me have turned to porn. Satan attacks the men of the church stronger because this is Gods true church. And Satan wants to bring it down 😊
You guys should be nicer to your dad!! You will one day wish you look as good as him when you are his age. grrrrrrr