Wading Fly Fishing Attempt - Bloody Knuckles But FUN!
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- My first experience with a strong fish on a fly rod. WOW! This was a blast. My flyrod is a relatively inexpensive 8-weight Penn combo. amzn.to/3oFGhep. This was my 4th attempt fishing it.
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Along with the other suggestion about leaders I’d work on making sure you’re keeping your rod tip pointed at the fly. This will give you a direct line to the fly with no slack. If you feel a bite you can strip set better this way. Learning to strip set is very important especially with the fishing you do because fly rods aren’t made to be able to set the hook, they have too much give and you won’t get the penetration you need. Strip setting is basically pulling the line hard with one or two good yanks to set the fly. Super important skill to master because as I’m sure you know with any fishing getting a good hook set will improve your fishing drastically. Good work though, you’re picking it up fast!
I've been fly fishing since 2017 but only freshwater. I'm living closer to Long Island now and am just getting into saltwater fly fishing this year! I can't tell you how excited this makes me that you're catching the fly fishing bug! Watching you celebrate those takes was awesome! I remember first watching your videos when I was working on Cape Cod for the summer in 2015! I also just ordered your book Striper Persuit to learn as much as I can! Tight lines John!
I haven't picked a fly rod in 60 years and i doubt that I will now. Catching Bluefish with a fly rod had to be an achievement of a lifetime, nice going.
Boy, that looked like fun. Out gunned and overmatched but brought them home, nice.
Fun, aint they! A couple tips- a 6-8' leader is ample, and a fly without heavy eyes will make casting much easier while you learn the fundamentals. Keep it up!
Hurts so good! Keep your knuckles out of there. A feeling you will always remember. Great fun!
Bluefish on a fly is one of the great days on the water. They pull. I love their aggressive take. What a game fish
Great job John! I took a nap after watching!
I can’t think of a better way to learn how to fly fish than fighting a big blue. Full body workout
It definitely is. My first fish on a fly rod was a blue fish it’s in my pfp
Great video John. Loved every minute of it. Gotta love those blues. Nothing like em. Thanks again. Looking forward to the next one. Stuart
Suggestion: Orvis (they have a store on Old Country Road in Garden City) usually offers casting lessons. I took one and it helped me TREMENDOUSLY.
Great to see you fly fishing again a tip I would recommend is getting a new line with a shooting head it will make casting much easier and il sent you some flies I just to fly fish a lot around the rocky Point area and Mount Sinai when I was in school at stony
That was awesome ! I seldom get blues on the fly and fish exclusively with flies. Best fighting fish in NE for my money !
Agree 100%. Totally underated
No need to use a tapered leader in saltwater. 3 to 4ft piece of 60 to 80lb is all you need. Good for you for always trying new things!
Glad to see you break out the long rod! Nice job and great fish. For NE you may eventually want a #10, much nicer with big flies, wind, bigger fish. As you have just shown, you don't need a $800 rod! Rod tip on the water when retrieving. 6 ft level leader for that is plenty and makes landing fish much easier. Have no idea how you managed to hook everyone of those right in the corner of the mouth! LOL
Nice job for first time with a fly rod!
LOVE IT!!! Welcome to the new world of fly fishing!! Keep it up!!
Nice video, addi g fly fishing to the mix is fun. Casting improves over time and with instruction but the video proves if you can a fly out there you can catch fish. Its amazing that nowadays even a very modestly priced outfit can cast well, has plenty of drag and can get you into fish. The knuckle incident was the reason my fist serous saltwater reel was a Mcneese anti reverse reel. Getting back into saltwater flyfishing myself now. Tight lines
Epic gators on that fly rod!!
I honestly think your water loading aka water slapping brought those fish to you! Great video love to see you learning knew stuff. Fly fishing is a blast I need to get out this year it's killing me.
I knew I was getting away with stuff that redfish would never tolerate.
Very nice video I really enjoyed it! if your right handed I'd recommend switching the reel to right hand retrieve for large saltwater fish; you can get them on the reel quicker. Left hand retrieve is fine for freshwater trout fishing. Tight lines.
Geeze-- I wish I had those beeches to fish from. As for your casting ;throw everything you learned in Louisiana out the window and try this . Put a small amount of line outside your tip and waggle the rod like a dogs tail in front of you. Try to keep your line out in front of you without it falling to the ground . Try to create uniform tight "s" shaped loops as you move the rod back and forth from side to side . Notice the rhythm of the motion. Now let out a little more line and try to let out as much as you can without it falling to the ground .Now bring the rod up and try it over head and occasionally let go of the line and see how it wants to start shooting through the guides . Now get rid of your line. Go to a shop that will sell you a neutral sink shooting head and put a spool of amnesia or some other memory less monofiliment or maybe even braid and attach that to your backing . Now try your wagging exercise again and see if you can false cast or wag your line until the shooting head which is about thirty feet long just leaves the tip of your rod then let the line sail out . Of course you will have to let your shooting line be laying on the ground or in a basket . Done right the line should sail like a rocket with a couple of false casts (wags )and just let it fly where ever you aim it . Also let your delivery when the rod goes forward be kind of like a pitcher throwing a baseball. Next your retrieve: keep your rod tip on the just over the water . I watched you miss a lot of fish. As soon as your line starts to behave abnormally from what you have been doing, just pull through the guides and bury the hook. This is the closest positive connection point between you and the fish. A high rod tip on retrieve just bends the rod tip and you have a hard time trying to pull a heavy line through water with a soft tipped rod to set the hook.With directly well buried hook you don't need a barb. Raise the rod and fight the fish . When the fish wants to run, palm the lower edge of the reel rim and let it run .Let your hand feel the fish as it runs .Feel it as gets tired . Keep taking in line as the fish tires and it should just come to you like a tired pup. If it wants to run, just let it run and keep the pressure up. Let that big shock absorber rod tire your fish and it should just come in tired and you should be able to just pull the hook out of a tired and submissive fish .Hold it by the tail and let it breathe and get it's strength back and if it isn't bleeding anywhere just let it swim off when it gets it's strength back . When fighting a good fish use your reel handle for retrieving line only .Keep your hand away from the reel handle if you like your knuckles .Your hand should be palming the reel and letting the fish run. Set your drag and let it work, but use your palm to apply pressure to the fish as needed . You can whip a really big fish with a fly rod and it's quite deceptive. There's a lot of power in such a delicate looking piece of equipment .I suggested a shooting line and head here because it's a lot easier for beginners . Lines which are typically 108 fee, create too much resistance and starve a rod sometimes for distance with novice casters, while a head will be so friction free to the point it can jerk against the reel when it runs out of spooled out line .I used to teach casting and I found it was easier to use heads at first then go to full lines .From there ,what ever you like most and become the most proficient with is what you should use .I have been fly fishing for about sixty years and I still use heads for versatility .It's all up to you . Watching your video, I wish I was on that beech . Personally I fish conventional or fly. I just love to fish .For me fly fishing is my favorite because it really lets you feel the fish on the end of your line .
Hey, it sounds like I’ve got more fly rod experience than you but I go out there and just look like a completely uncoordinated fool. You’re doing way better than me. No surprise there.
Impressive! And I don't know anything about bluefish, but fish that big hammering such small flies seems amazing.
Loved it!! A fly fishing basket will handle the line wrap around your legs
1st off Great Job!
Let 'em run. If the fish wants to run then let him.
You never need more than 9ft of leader and that's for trout. Saltwater fishing like this 7ft leader is all you need.
Love this! Nice job John!
Strip set with streamers-hard strip to set the hook. Raising the rod will likely pull it from the fish’s mouth.
Hi John Is your line a weight forward line if not that would help, I also false cast (not letting it hit the water)a few times to get the line longer before you shoot it out. And are you letting the line fully extend behind you before you start your forward motion, That will increase your line speed. I used to fish around Smithtown bay area in the old days.
Nice job John, that’s not easy, especially with a blue!
You're picking it up pretty quickly, John. You could go with a shorter leader very easily.Manage your lined on the backcast with your left hand, if it gets slack you lose your casting energy. You'll get it. An excellent reason to get on the water, casting practice. And you might look into a casting basket to manage line and waves. By the way, I think you're Hooked on fly fishing.
My bluefish setup, 2ft leader 50lbs and fish it until its worn to hell.
Casting large flies on a fly rod is difficult even for an experienced fly fisherman, so considering that you are a beginner, you did well. The fact that you caught two big blues is proof you did well enough to fool the fish. You might want to attempt using the backcast method with the big flies... you may find it easier to get distance with your casts.
I've been carrying an 8wt with me in mid to late summer when the mahi push in. They are awesome on the fly. I miss bluefish so much. I'm down in AC and it's been 2 years since I hooked one. I don't really target them other then early spring till now but I used to be tortured by blues. I don't get them sharking anymore, I don't get them trolling for tuna anymore. It's discouraging. They do all this research on stripers and I catch more of them then I want 😂. Where are the bluefish? What happened to all night bluefish trips out of Barnegat Light? It u used to be mayhem. I worked both the Doris Mae and Miss Barnegat Light for years on this trips. Now most of those boats are gone. Just like the bluefish. Burlap bags full of blues 😂😆😂. Then one year they were gone. I know these fish move......allot. They are in every ocean. And every continent
Don't use the rod to set the hook - use your stripping hand. Rod should be pointed in a straight line at the fly while retrieving until after hookup. NIce fish !!!
You are swinging the fly rod well past 11 and 2 o clock. This makes it so that the rod is really only bending or “loading” energy in the most distal tip of the rod.
Swing forward, stop abruptly at 11, false cast to 2 o clock, wait until you feel that energy load across the entire length of the rod. You will feel a mild bow across the length of the rod through your gripping hand. The fly has straightened out along with the line behind you, swing it forward to 11 o clock and if you feel you’ve built enough momentum, or have enough line swinging, let go of the line you’re hauling with the left hand and when you time this correctly with the “bow” in the rod you feel swinging forward at 11, the line shoots out and carries the remainder of stripped line straight forward.
The bow in the rod feeling is subtle. Practice 11 and 2 slowly to get a feel for what I am trying to describe. The more line you have swinging over your head during your false casts will make the feeling more pronounced, though you will have to be almost machine like in your 11 to 2 movement to maintain control of that greater length of line. Maintain a strong grip of the rod in your right hand so you feel the kinetics and control the rod/line. Also practice with a light fly tied on first as it’s easier to feel the weight of the fly line.
You can use the water load method to begin your false cast and to get your line and fly overhead swinging in the air.
I’m no experienced fly fisherman. But I’ve been fishing with my 9 WT fly rod all year and the more time you spend with it, you will intuitively figure it out through trial and error.
I’d love to see you catch snook and tarpon on the fly John. I know you can do it.
Thanks for that!
Hell yeah this was awesome
Great job for a newbie! I have never done it.
I don't want to sound critical at all, but 2 things will improve your fly fishing instantly. 1) Keep false casting back and forth off the water until you hit your desired distance, then lay the line out on the water. 2) while stripping in the line, keep line loosely under your right index finger, stripping with left hand behind right hand, pulling line through right clenched palm. Also keep rod tip down almost touching the water, this will allow for less slack and better hook sets. You are doing pretty good for only having several minutes of instruction though lol. I actually prefer fly fishing, but have learned a ton about spin fishing from watching your videos. Thanks John!
Thanks for the comment!
Fly fishing is a blast!!!
Definitely dont need a tappered leader for bluefishes. Just tie 6ft 50-60lb mono and you should be fine. Plus it will be easier to cast.
Great to see you fish with lighter material, many just horse out the biggest fishes with heavy stuff.
I'm going to buy an Echo Flyrod Kit (or what they call a Switch Rod) for 2025 season here in Tennessee :)
I'm originally from FLA ...... believe most Fly Fanatics use gloves to help with drag at times + keep your Hand's happy !
John, One thing that helps is, right before a cast, to gather the line at your feet. If you work the line out effficiently, you'll be able to "shoot" the whole pile out in one stroke.
Lol he’s in the water that won’t work very well
@@edwardegnor9641 sure it will. I do that in moving streams all the time.
Looks like fly rod record 😮
john if ur gonna get more into fly fishing from the surf you should really think about a 2 handed spey rod..tremendous distance u will get with effortless casting and be able to fish all day..its really the best way to salt water fish with fly tackle..
Hold the line closer to reel. You aren’t generating any line speed with left hand. Just pull down a little when taking rod back… a modified double haul.. Key is taking rod back with quick stop.. that loads the rod. When line unfurls behind you push rod forward again with quick stop.. like a whip. It’s just physics and practice. Nice fish!
Great catches! I can't give any suggestions - my experience with fly fishing was a single attempt on a river, and I got the fly stuck everywhere, including myself. Too steep of a learning curve for my patience, and I no longer go river fishing - it's expensive, needs a license with very strict rules and, at the slightest mistake, you may have your equipment (including your car) seized.
also may want to try to keep the line in the are a bit longer, a few more false casts to help pull slack line out of the water until you get a basket. also you can run a shorter leader as well.
Hope you try a bigger fly to mimic bunker when big bass are in your spots reachable from shore...could make for an epic fight
To deal with the leader-knot-in-the-guides problem: If the fish bolts away, point the rod straight at him until you are into your flyline. Same thing goes for the flyline-into-backing knot if you get a real ripper.
Thanks for the fly!!
Also, you can smooth the connection between your leader and line by tying a nailless nail knot and for your day starting set-up, when you are home, coat the connection with a few drops of plio-bond special purpose adhesive. The perfection loops just cause issues.
That's a thousand dollar trip you treated yourself to, with a two hundred dollar tip-out, figure a twelve hundred dollar trip. You saved a bundle.
Been a fisherman all my life and I'm 70, but I never understood the alure of fly fishing. Yes, I have tried it. Give me a spinning rod anytime.
Cool! Next you might want to tie flys if you keep at this.
You can get knuckle savers that clip on the reel!
"Apparently anyone can do this".
WOW that is super annoying!
You have no idea how many fishing trips I've had with no bites.
I've been Fly-fishing for 20years and still get skunked frequently!
This guy goes out and catches fish on his 1st four attempts! INSANE!
lower the rod tip to the water when retrieving youll have more contact with your fly and will feel the take easier
Yep, less slack in the line. Also it can be a bit stealthier, when that matters.
I've never used a basket. Seems to me you still have casting instinct based on the lure or weight at the end of the line carrying the movement forward. In fly fishing, the lure is carried by the line. You'll get the rhythm of the movement soon enough, just keep trying
keep the fly going...
Set the hook with the left hand, using a good pull/strip, not the rod. Rod should be more parallel to the water during the hook set and retrieve. Takes time to understand if you've always been a spin fisherman.
Thanks! It's hard to change a 50+ year old habit!
The bluefish have invaded the bay north of you. They are big.
You can make a stripping basket out of an old fashioned plastic dish wash tub
Thread a wading belt through a milk crate for a diy fly basket
You can pick up everything you need to make a stripping basket at a dollar tree .. small basket , a few small funnels a bungee cord & super glue .. is it going to be perfect like something from Simms or Orvis ? No but it will be under ten bucks and will be Better then line gong all over the shore
That's an awesome comment. Thanks!
John you are such a man of diversity. Well done and pretty darn good execution. Everything went textbook…..until you screamed “Oww” like Sweeney. Is there a fly book in your future????
Where is this spot at?
You need a shorter leader for this! Eleven feet is a fresh water trout leader..........
What weight is your rod? 8-9 wt is what you need for saltwater
8
Tuck the rod in your armpit and strip with two hands. 11' leader is excessive. 9' max.
sheesh more then 8 ft is alot
Point the rod at the water and strip instead of using the flyrod as a jigging rod. Youll hook many more takers. And wont get laughed at ! Lol
Not sure why my original comment was deleted. Anyway, nice effort there, thanks for sharing.
I definitely didn't delete. Thanks for the comment!
@@JohnSkinnerFishing maybe I had a bad signal at the time
Hey John. I have a ton of saltwater flys I could send you. I tie for the fun of it. Not sure how to get them to you. Free of charge of course.
My email is info at striper pursuit dot com. Thanks!
Straight 40 lb test 5 or 6 feet long also if you can with that reel go to right hand reel it’s faster to reel in and when fish runs Palm reel with right hand under the reel helps drag and keeps knuckle out of danger. It was enjoyable watching you ps basket is a must have. Tight line
The need to keep your rod tip close to the water for better line control and better hook sets .don't use the water to load your rod it spooks fish and is just wrong .Joan wulf and April Vockey have great RUclips videos .good luck
Good stuff John! Save the knuckles, palm the reel!!!!!
If you are going to bend a rod, get one that bends a lot
Advice ? Use the palm of your hand like your holding a melon against the reel , finger out .
Fly fishing is way too much work for me lol
Let the drag do the work palming the reel is unnecessary does more damage to you the any good for the fight
Good to see you celebrating gay pride month by fly fishing.
Good video, have a Bud Light on me buddy !!!
Making a stripping basket
Not sponsored in anyway, just stoked on product I’ve used for a few season. Ahrex Flexistripper, most unobtrusive stripping basket and super easy to work with!
Wow. What a bizarre looking thing. I thought it was a visor at first.
@@JohnSkinnerFishing forgot to mention it doubles as one! 😁
Side pressure on the fly rod John. Strength is in the butt section. Loop knot on the fly for max movement. Palm the reel, not with your knuckles. Stripping basket a must. Cheap guy like you can make your own. Take a video of your casting stroke, which you did not have at all John. Learn to make loops in the yard. Then you can go fishing. Very painful watching this. Not easy to learn but it is mind blowing how fun it is. Hardly want to use spinning gear any more. Keep it up and watch some fly casting videos. Then watch what you’re doing wrong before you pick up the dreaded bad habits and poor form. Sorry to be so tough on you but this doesn’t come easy.