wonder fuller Joseph Smith “wrote” it. Technically he plagiarized it from several other books. And heavily from this book that Aaron Ra demonstrates on his channel ruclips.net/video/_2Blbo2i-ig/видео.html
@@richardholmes7199 as it is their explanation makes a lot of sense and I believe even the LDS church has admitted that the remaining portions have nothing to do with Abraham. My understanding is that the LDS church now says that the document "inspired" him, which contradicts everything he and so many other prophets have said.
Only sort of. A few years back some reporters found that there were 2 followers left, the leader told them to not kill themselves alongside everyone else, so that they could convert people in the far future by keeping their website up and running.
As someone who enjoys dabbling into ancient Egypt history and mythology, Joseph Smith's interpretation made me scream. It was so painful to see, especially side-by-side with the genuine image.
I know what you mean. 😅 Funny thing happened some years ago when my brother and I were first introduced to the book of Abraham by our dad and asked to look at the picture of the Egyptian writings. We saw right away what it was, based on what we understood about ancient Egyptian mythology and burial rituals etc (coz we're nerds lol) and pointing all this out to our dad. So we accidentally debunked it which was the opposite of what our dad was expecting. Great stuff! 📖🤔😏
I'm sure if you looked at the original youd be hard pressed to provide one so similar. One of many examples: Why is Anubis standing between the deceased and the lioncouch, and why is the deceased depicted with his legs apart?
Out of curiosity, what did you replace your Mormon beliefs with? Mormonism expands on Christianity. Did you fall back to a different Christian religion, or did you go to atheism or something else?
The question is not "what else did Joseph Smith lie about", the question is actually "what did Joseph Smith not lie about", because that list is at least limited, the list of lies is too numerous for publication.
I love your channel, this video was really interesting. I am an ex-mormon myself. they manipulated my feelings of grief after my fathers death to indoctrinate me. your videos have helped me so much. thank you
Paddy wallace sorry to hear about that. Hope you’re ok now. They did the same exact thing to my mom after her father passed (before I was born.) She had all his work done in the temple as soon as she joined. Sigh.
Mt friend was on a bus once talking to some LDS missionaries. He said they had a great talk, and were very nice. Somewhere in their attempts to convert, my friend asked them, "you really don't believe this stuff, do you?" The both kind of looked at each other, and admitted that they really didn't. The problem is, their entire social structure is tied up with the LDS church, and if they leave, they pretty much get rejected by all of them. Their family, friends, community leaders, etc, gone. It's not an easy choice.
I went on my mission in 1978 at the age of 19, I would find it hard to believe that serving LDS missionary’s. Were not TBMs. A mission can be a very stressful and lonely time for a lot of Elders, it is 2 years filled with a lot of spiritual highs and lows. It is 2 years of eating sleeping and breathing religion 24/7. As a Mormon missionary you constant trying to measure yourself to a standard which you can never attain. When I left for my mission I was a true believer and when I came back I still was. It took me till age 50 to figure out the the church was a fraud.
Party4Keeps what you have to keep most missionary’s are 18 and 19 kids many were very much into every thing about the church, before their missions then there are some who go on a mission out of a sense of obligation. I went when I was 19 and was a TBM. For some the pressure to fulfill a mission is about fulfilling family expectations
I love this video. The Book of Abraham is what finally got me to really question Mormonism, the DNA evidence too, there's just no denying that Joseph Smith must have lied about everything. I grew up in the Mormon church and have a lot of fond memories of youth activities and I think I learned some very beneficial habits like (ironically) text interpretation, contextualization, study and critical thinking. That being said, there were some very harmful ideas implanted in my mind that I wish I could be free from.
@@poughkeepsieblue Then you're saying the Book of Abraham translation/explanation is supposed to match up with that of Egyptian mythology in order to be correct, correct? Yes, of course. Could you help me to understand this interpretation?
@Small_Flame oh, but they get around that by saying "sometimes he speaks as a man and sometimes as a prophet". That way they can pick and choose which is which and backpeddle if necessary.
3:40 - the papyrus wasn't given to a museum. It was sold by Emma after Joseph (and his mother) died and eventually believed to have been resold to the museum. Parts of the pyprus likely were in the museum as Facsimile 2 has never been recovered.
Hey brother, I'm from Utah and I just want you to know I appreciate what you are doing. I became an atheist around ten years ago and all it took was actually sitting down and reading the Bible. I couldn't force myself to believe genesis. The story of creation is literally unbelievable when you aren't fully groomed for it. That's why they baptize at 8 years old, get em young. Anyway, my mom was raised a witness and we talk about your videos sometimes and you've helped both of us. Thank you.
It was weird being a Mormon because you would realize how ridiculous all this stuff is but every one in your social circle would pretend that it made complete sense. It would make you think that there was something wrong with you like you were just sinful and didn't have the spirit. I remember learning the story about the lost 116 pages of the Book of Mormon when I was only a kid in primary even at that age I thought that proved Joseph Smith made it all up but all the adults acted like it proved he was a prophet. I learned to bury my doubts and not question. Mormonism puts a lot of focus on emotions at the expense of reason so if you criticize there beliefs they will often act defensively.
Having had been a life long TBM (true believing Mormon). The Book of Abraham was for me the final straw and wrecking ball that destroyed my belief in the church. What makes it so devastating is that The Book of Abraham is cannon, scripture, word of of God. The debunking of the of the BOA was something that my mental gymnastics could not make sense of.
I worked REALLY hard on a rush translation of academic articles on Japanese ceramics with a team of three other scholars. It would have been amazingly helpful if we could have just "interpreted" it and called it a day.
@@JacquelineUnderwood Not really. All religions are a waste of time and useful only as a crutch for people who really need that sort of thing. Being proud of it is weird.
DivideByZero do you know what Satanism is and the history behind it? Because it actually is pretty healthy considering. There are healthy religions and spiritualities. I don’t think proselytizing is okay, and I don’t think using your religious or spiritual beliefs as an excuse to treat people badly is okay. But other than that, who cares? Let people do what they want if they’re not hurting anyone else and it makes them happy.
FYI the stones that were touched by Jesus to give light where for a different set of people that were also supposedly sent to America called the Jaredites. They got there in dish shaped submarines 😂😂😂
Really? 😂😂😂 how did I not know this one before? I just found out that Brigham Young saying that there are people living on the sun There’s probably tons more hilariously crazy doctrine that I’ve never heard of.
I was raised Mormon. They pounded that crap into my head from before I can even remember. I don't have a problem with anything you said and I don't even really have a problem with your tone but I would offer an unasked for suggestion. Remember that some of us didn't have a choice and were literally brainwashed with this stuff. It took me many years to get to a point where the guilt and shame offered by my family and former friends and honestly myself was outweighed by the relief of being free of this horrible nonsense. I know know that it's silly and stupid but I didn't stand much of a chance when I was two years old and my mother married into the "faith". So I guess I'd just say, keep a thought for those of us that had to fight our way out of it and maybe throw a few "some people didn't have a chance or choice" type phrases in there. It would maybe help others who are desperately clawing their way out. Thank you though, for a great video.
@@richardholmes7199 what crap was debunked? Did Joseph Smith or did he not fabricate “corrections” to the Egyptian papyrus that were, in fact, completely wrong (Like making a bird out of something that was never a bird.). Do you have a citation to the “debunking” source so that we can all see it?
These issues with the book of Mormon were part of my deconstruction. I was in the Mormon religion as a child. Once I examined these problems I found that they could not be resolved logically. So I attended an evangelical Church for a while. But then I applied the same skepticism to the Bible and found that the claims in it are no less ridiculous. Just older.
Owen - Also refer people to these places: Mormon Stories podcast - specifically the interviews with Dan Vogel and John Hammer (I think both have been interviewed a few times) Check Dan Vogels youtube channel (he goes into the history of mormonism and the issues better than most) Checkout Letter for my wife - much like the CES letter, but some mormons stay away from the CES Letter if they hear the name even mentioned, and they default to a document called "Bamboozled by the CES Letter" Which enters apologetics area. Most all mormons who have heard of the CES letter default to it being debunked than reading it themselves. I have many more references if needed too
thinker of thoughts on youtube also has some very good content. Once specifically on the 'Happyness letter" and Joseph Smith's pattern of being a manipulator in how he manipulated people into marriage. Check it out, you will be baffled - ruclips.net/video/LXoC4Fd3exE/видео.html
@@ex-mormonthanos9439 I have nothing interesting to say, I'd just like to express my appreciation for these comments and try and help to make it more visible to people who, like me, like to learn more. I do have a completely unrelated question though I am also really super curious about, why did you choose Thanos to add in your name?
@@stylis666 initially started the name on twitter. When I left mormonism I became aware of how much of a fairy tale it is, a fictional story with the good guy vs the bad guy. I like Avengers and chose thanos as a way to irritate what I consider an extremist mormon group on twitter called DezNat (deseret nation). So I chose a fictional character to fight fictional ideas with. Thought about changing it but it seemed no one wanted me to in the exmo community, so its stuck
It’s funny.... this isn’t even what got me out. Only a couple years before I left, I took an LDS-created class on world religions, and they taught that this papyrus was translated accurately and matches other Egyptian documents.... I began to stop believing when I read the doctrine and covenants on polygamy, which is clearly written by a narcissist telling his wife to shut up and take it or be damned. That’s all it took for me to know Joe was a scammer.
There are many reasons that people in a cult accept some pretty absurd stuff. 1. A member is not allowed to question or voice any issue with the cult theology on risk of being shunned by family and friends - losing all friends and associations and often losing their job as well. 2. Members are strongly told not to view or read any anti-Mormon materials on threat listed in 1. 3. Members are isolated from all non-members so that they can't be contaminated by truth outside their cult. 4. Members are kept very busy so that there is little time to dwell on the "issues", they are told to put them on a shelf. 5. Members are interrogated yearly to retain their temple recommend; not getting the recommend means being distrusted by other members; getting the recommend means the member shows no indication of doubt and has raised no concerns. It's a closed loop and, believe it or not, it's easy to get a whole group to believe something when there are no dissenters and no one is allowed to question.
You should really look into the book "Vew of the Hebrews". It was written in 1823 way before the book of mormon and it basically IS the book of mormon. Interesting.
Paul, that is a lie, and I know because I have read both books; they are as alike as one love story is to any other. However, I recommend people read both and compare.
You should read some of his letters, the ones that were not penned by his scribes. He might have made it to 6th grade, tops. But he was a good talker and loved to tell tall tales.
As someone who’s family has been Mormon for decades, but also personally doesn’t believe in the religion, I think most people just aren’t educated on these topics. The church definitely skirts around them. Also, I think most people are converted because of their teachings of family values. The day-to-day teachings focus on eternal families and the ability to thrive after death, which is super common in most Christian faiths, but is heavily taught in Mormonism.
Asia is a large continent and the second most genetically diverse one (Africa is the first); Middle Easterners are far more closely related to Europeans than other Asians (Fair skin actually comes from the Middle East originally, and Europeans only have fair skin because of large amounts of Neolithic Middle Eastern migration.). American Indians are genetically closest to Siberians and other far northeast Asian groups.
The Book of Abraham being a made up translation of an Egyptian funerary scroll isn't even the worst part of it. Abraham is widely regarded by historians as a mythical figure, so Joseph Smith made a fraudulent record of a fictional character. Think of that.
It's weird seeing this after being about 4 years removed from the Mormon church. Looking at this now, it's laughable. Utterly ridiculous that I once accepted this as truth whole heartedly. Smith took some papyrus, sold by a traveling salesman, and made a ton of things up, leveraging the fact that nobody could read Egyptian at the time. I feel like such an idiot to have ever defended this at one point in my life. I hope others are woken up as well.
Stop the pretense. You never really believed it. You never had a testimony. No loyalty. You simply took the first convenient off-ramp and now wrap yourself in the victim's mantel apparently to gain the fawning approval of all the haters here. OK...you left. Big whoop! But for the love of Marsha Brady, don't claim to have ever been converted.
@@JohnDLee-im4lo what? What approval? You're the first person to make a comment. And, if I didn't believe, why would I have joined? I wasn't under any social pressure to be in it. I live in Vancouver. The Mormon population here is like 0.00000001% of the total population. It was completely my choice to leave. And I left because I was flat out lied to. So much of what the missionaries taught me wasn't true. Especially the video of Joseph Smith's life.
@@RandolphTheWhite1 While you're looking for someone or something to blame...maybe you should start with your own sloth and indolence. Or you could embrace the embarrassment of your abject failure at Mormonism. If you didn't know something it's on you. You never bothered to investigate these matters and now you want to blame everybody but yourself. A great gig at these sites.
I left the Mormon church back in 2005 prior to the CES letter coming out. I wish I had know all the information it contains before I ever joined that foul church. It is unfortunate but many Mormons who read the CES Letter stay in the church in spite of its damming information. It is virtually impossible to change the minds of true believers. PS- I am now a happy atheist.
"He wasn't translating exactly, he was interpreting." is it just me, or does that sound ad hoc af! By the way, I recognised Annubis, who was the Jackal headed god of the underworld, on the original Papyrus.
@@Wasserkaktus Probably True, but then again I don't know much about the subject either, though I know enough to understand why Joseph Smith was completely wrong.
@@daviydviljoen9318 Literally anyone outside of deluded Mormons could tell you that Egyptian Hieroglyphs have absolutely nothing to do with Abrahamic Texts: Abrahamic Texts were never, ever written in Hieroglyphs, Egyptians were staunch polytheists, and this is one of the main things they wrote about, and Abraham is not associated with Egypt. It's funny seeing moron apologists like Richard Holmes spend all his time arguing on RUclips how and why the Book of Abraham is somehow valid, but also sad.
Joseph Smith interpreted one of the figures in the papyrus to be God sitting on his throne. The interpretation by Egyptologists is that it is a fertility god with an erection. The Mormon god is a horny god; would explain the polygamy. The CES Letter was the start of the end for me. A mission, a temple marriage, years of teaching and leading in the church, all of this was stripped away by a letter (which only took an hour to read). It is difficult to completely part from something that was so formative for me. Even now, I hear myself giving apologist answers to the questions you raise here but a second of thought makes me realize how ridiculous. It was this that really caused me to part from this faith. To take an objective look and see how unverifiable and outright ridiculous many of the claims and practices the Mormon church espouses are. Thank you for your honesty and logical analysis. You do not appeal to emotion. You acknowledge that it is difficult, essentially impossible, to prove a negative (scientific thought is based on the opposite principle). And you place the burden of proof on the originators of the theory. Thank you again!
14:53 You confused two stories there, which is a real shame because the stories are actually weirder than you make it out to be lol The glowing stones were used by the Jaredites, who came to the Americas during the whole Tower of Babel thing. They didn’t build ships, they built - get this - submarines. Obviously not the high-tech ones we have today, but submarines nonetheless. The stones weren’t meant to light the way for the ships, but to provide light to them while they were underwater. This is NOT the group claimed to be the ancestors of the native Americans, as the Jaradites went extinct. The Lamanites, which are the group actually claimed to be native Americans, came on a boat guided by a spherical compass that pointed them toward the “promised land”.
I dont trust that guy. He said that he encountered some historically accurate stuff in the book of Abraham, so to him that Is WAY MORE IMPRESSIVE than the manuscript being properly translated. I dont understand that logic, It makes my head hurt.
@@theyoutubeanalyst3731 It is certainly an avoidance of logic. Anything that can even attempt to affirm one's faith is usually going to be accepted before anything that contradicts it. Whatever attempts he makes to refute the CES Letter will be interesting for sure, especially since it is not a letter of statements but questions based on honest inquiry.
@@petrakakytch4809 I was feeling the same way, but he's recently stated it has been filmed and named and coming soon. He also said it's supposed to be a comedy show which kind of sounds like a pre-emptive cop-out so, we'll see.
Unfortunately i am not in a position to be able to donate any money to the channel or even get any merchandise. But thanks for all of the videos. Every day that i see you pop up in my notifications is a good day! Cheers from the southwest states.
OK, you left a couple of facts on the table. I stopped the video at 3 minutes 50 seconds and I felt a need to make this point. Number One: Smith was told that Egyptian was a dead language that no one could understand. This is important to note because it gave Smith the idea that he could translate it and no one would be able to tell him that he was wrong. It is important to note this because it gives a motive to why Smith decided to get these things. But it is also important to note because all of this had happened before people knew of the importance of the Rosetta Stone and that, yes, we could actually translate the thing. Second of all, eventhough the museum burned down, the things did not get destroyed and they were recovered later.
And it wasn't just that Joseph Smith was an ignorant rube as the LDS Church likes to portray him. He likely knew that there was yet to be reliable translation of hieroglyphics (hieroglyphics were just starting to be translated based on the work of Jean-François Champollion using the Rosetta Stone) in period of 1835 to 1840 when he "translated " the Book of Abraham and that makes him all the more of a snake oil salesman. And as a professional translator, I find the Mormons' use of "translation" in relation to Joseph Smith and his "translations" of Book of Mormon, Book of Abraham and the Bible to be a great disservice to translators.
I think the biggest problem is that when you're a Mormon you know about absolutely NONE of this. When I was a member I had never heard of the Book of Abraham in my life until I read the CES Letter
It’s not just modern native Americans it’s also all of the remains ever found on the entire continent despite the bom claims of battles where millions die in one day! It’s astounding what people will believe!
It also must be noted that the mostly unlettered Smith translated the “Book of Abraham” into a quite stilted form of English found in the KJV, a holy book he was quite familiar with. Curiously the “BoA” and the KJV share idioms despite being 2 millennia apart on the time line.
So a traveling merchant heard there is religious group whose leader "translates" ancient texts, living in a commune (cult compound) and went showed it to them.
Fantastic video, if any Mormon still is a Believer, then they're definitely ignoring simple Facts! One girl this reminds me of, is the reaction you did to the Mormon woman reaction to the South Park episode, where she didn't even understand that "dumb, dumb, dumb" song🤦😫🤣
A traveling salesman named Chandler, had four mummies left to sell with a pile of papyri, in 1835, in Kirtland Ohio, approx. 25 miles East of Cleveland. Chandler had displayed the mummies and papyri, and Joseph Smith came over and looked. He said he could translate them and came up with the bogus translation, of the book of Abraham. Chandler wanted $2400 dollars, which translated into over $70,000 dollars today. The LDS settlement had been building the Kirtland Temple, and were very short on cash, so Smith got some of the wealthier Morons to give him the money. This is how Smith conned the people into believing he could translate Egyptian! The scholars finally learned to read the hieroglyphs a few years later, and Smith's translation, was found to be phony as he and his made up religion.
i struggled with leaving for a while. it hurt because i grew up with it and it was a comfort to me when my mother passed. but a lie is a lie. and i refuse to be a part of it anymore. glad i found the truth now, when i’m 17, instead of later in life
Many Freemasons do not like Joseph Smith or Mormonism because Smith put Freemasonic like rites and regalia in the religion. He was thrown out of the Freemasons because of that.
I was hoping someone would correct Owen on that. If you pronounce a word awkwardly enough it will most probably sound really awkward. Word of the day is: Swam. Say that a couple of times out loud and then try to say the word with zero context to someone's face, without laughing :p Good luck :p
Just a question or rather an observation. The supposed Israelites that were to have sailed to the Americas were allegedly there before Jesus was born. Therefore, he couldn't have touched any stones. This is the first time I'm hearing the stone part and would like to see your source for this. Just curious where this came from and how it is supposed to fit in to the greater story. Thanks much!
I find it hilarious that JS had a diy zine, that he would try to force everyone to read. Reminds me of a Danish Millionaire, who wrote his memoir and had it postal delivered to every damn household in the nation. For free. Like... He knew noone was gonna want to read that.
I have nothing of substance to say about the content of this video itself, but I'll say this: I've learned a lot from this video and I have a near endless appreciation for that fact and for the Telltale that lead up to that.
Holy Holly's hamburgers dude! That beep was loud AF! How'd you even get my phone to be so damn loud haha. That said, I don't always agree with you, maybe agree somewhat or completely about 70% of the time but on video subjects like these...I'm 100% with you.
Scriptures in some way are ancient tales, and folklore, symbolism and mythology and then there's this. Why would any unbeliever be persecuted? Not cool
@Fidel Castro Better Than CHRIST , They're everywhere apparently. I'm not Mormon. I'm not even religious. I was raised Baptist. My family is Baptist. I have an address book with family's and a few friend's addresses. Not a book of morons.
Correction: After Smith's death his wife inherited the papyri. Smith did NOT donate them to a museum. He had the papyri (and the mummies) on show at his home. The papyri did end up in a museum in Chicago, but Smith was not the donor.
Since I’m still technically a member (I don’t attend any meetings, so I don’t have an opportunity to be ex-communicated and I never bothered to remove my name from the Mormon Church’s records), the few times the missionaries have shown up I just smile and say “you’re too late, Elders (or Sisters) I’m already a member”. Then they just smile and leave. No fuss. No muss.
wonder fuller Joseph Smith made the whole thing up. I’m not a believer. I’m sorry if that wasn’t clear. I’m using a technicality to get the missionaries to leave me alone
When you conduct an experiment, technically you are testing the “null hypothesis” (i.e., not my expected outcome). If your hypothesis is correct, it is noted as “failure to disprove the null”. Instead of saying “I proved X“ it’s actually “I failed to disprove not X”
That was really interesting! I have been listening to Jimmy talk about the CES letter but I had no idea what that was about and now I understand so much more and thank you.
I grew up Evangelical, no matter how much proof you have that disprove or outright show contradictions in the beliefs the church and it's believers will ALWAYS switch the story around to fit their views. They will straight up change the story around, make assumptions that don't exist in the texts and cannot be proven and when desperate outright lie and omit details to fit a narrative they cannot prove. When all else fails they just say it's what God tells them and what they "feel" is right.
Papyrus: Is death certificate for a random guy
Joseph Smith: THE BOOK OF ABRAHAM!
Sans: joseph smith, wanna have a bad time?
The egyptologists were debunked in 2014.
Richard Holmes no they weren’t
@@SergioSanchez-fn6su REREAD my last comment.
@@SergioSanchez-fn6su The egyptologists were debunked.
The CES letter should be required reading for all Mormons
Who wrote the Book of Mormon ~~~and any evidence ??
Vegan Atheist- Coral
There wouldn’t be any more Mormons
@@TheDragonCat99 exactly 😍😜
wonder fuller Joseph Smith “wrote” it. Technically he plagiarized it from several other books. And heavily from this book that Aaron Ra demonstrates on his channel ruclips.net/video/_2Blbo2i-ig/видео.html
That & lobotomy's
Oh wait they apparently have
The book of Abraham was what helped me realize the truth. I left last year in June.
We are proud of you!
that's what broke my shelf too. Left over three years ago.
The egyptologists were proven wrong in 2014.
@@richardholmes7199 I'd be curious to see a link to an article or a reference.
@@richardholmes7199 as it is their explanation makes a lot of sense and I believe even the LDS church has admitted that the remaining portions have nothing to do with Abraham. My understanding is that the LDS church now says that the document "inspired" him, which contradicts everything he and so many other prophets have said.
Telltale - "heavens gate. Kind of a Dead religion at this point" i feel like there is a bad joke somewhere...
Booooooooooooooooooooooo
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Only sort of. A few years back some reporters found that there were 2 followers left, the leader told them to not kill themselves alongside everyone else, so that they could convert people in the far future by keeping their website up and running.
@@Burrick yeah, like the guy who runs the website
Merp - Merp | The geek shall inherit the earth. 🤣
As someone who enjoys dabbling into ancient Egypt history and mythology, Joseph Smith's interpretation made me scream. It was so painful to see, especially side-by-side with the genuine image.
I know what you mean. 😅
Funny thing happened some years ago when my brother and I were first introduced to the book of Abraham by our dad and asked to look at the picture of the Egyptian writings. We saw right away what it was, based on what we understood about ancient Egyptian mythology and burial rituals etc (coz we're nerds lol) and pointing all this out to our dad. So we accidentally debunked it which was the opposite of what our dad was expecting. Great stuff! 📖🤔😏
I'm sure if you looked at the original youd be hard pressed to provide one so similar. One of many examples: Why is Anubis standing between the deceased and the lioncouch, and why is the deceased depicted with his legs apart?
@Samael51760
"Any grown adult who favors faith over evidence is a disgrace to humanity. "
That is a good way to put it. It drives me nuts too.
The egyptologists were debunked in 2014.
@Samael51760 The LDS apologists haven't understood the right way to interpret.
Cool I was the one who asked that question!
Will Phillips awesome!
Woo!
Pretty sure i broke the damb
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I’m an ex-mormon. The Book of Abraham was an eye opener to me because it is so obliviously a fraud.
Out of curiosity, what did you replace your Mormon beliefs with? Mormonism expands on Christianity. Did you fall back to a different Christian religion, or did you go to atheism or something else?
the Book of Abraham convinced me the LDS Church is true.
The question is not "what else did Joseph Smith lie about", the question is actually "what did Joseph Smith not lie about", because that list is at least limited, the list of lies is too numerous for publication.
I love your channel, this video was really interesting. I am an ex-mormon myself. they manipulated my feelings of grief after my fathers death to indoctrinate me. your videos have helped me so much. thank you
Paddy wallace sorry to hear about that. Hope you’re ok now. They did the same exact thing to my mom after her father passed (before I was born.) She had all his work done in the temple as soon as she joined. Sigh.
The egyptologists were proven wrong in 2014.
Richard Holmes no there weren’t. You got a source for that? Lol
@@christie8493 They were obviously debunked. This has been known about since 2014.
@@richardholmes7199 situation
Mt friend was on a bus once talking to some LDS missionaries. He said they had a great talk, and were very nice.
Somewhere in their attempts to convert, my friend asked them, "you really don't believe this stuff, do you?"
The both kind of looked at each other, and admitted that they really didn't.
The problem is, their entire social structure is tied up with the LDS church, and if they leave, they pretty much get rejected by all of them. Their family, friends, community leaders, etc, gone.
It's not an easy choice.
I went on my mission in 1978 at the age of 19, I would find it hard to believe that serving LDS missionary’s. Were not TBMs. A mission can be a very stressful and lonely time for a lot of Elders, it is 2 years filled with a lot of spiritual highs and lows. It is 2 years of eating sleeping and breathing religion 24/7. As a Mormon missionary you constant trying to measure yourself to a standard which you can never attain. When I left for my mission I was a true believer and when I came back I still was. It took me till age 50 to figure out the the church was a fraud.
I'm impressed they admitted that, though. First step to recovery and all that.
I've heard that many Mormons don't truly believe but enjoy the community.
Party4Keeps what you have to keep most missionary’s are 18 and 19 kids many were very much into every thing about the church, before their missions then there are some who go on a mission out of a sense of obligation. I went when I was 19 and was a TBM. For some the pressure to fulfill a mission is about fulfilling family expectations
@@SteveSmith-os5bs I wasn't specific so that's my fault but I was referring to older adults with their own kids.
Got an ad explaining the Book of Mormon before this video
Got that one myself
Ya other different topic videos i have got defence adds prior
Ironic huh
“This beast creature” /boi/ you mean Anubis.
Also known as Anpoo. An...poo.
@@ProjectFlashlight612 "Anpu" pronounced "inpw" no poo
@@davidkanavel4241 Ha! Anpu!!!
I love this video. The Book of Abraham is what finally got me to really question Mormonism, the DNA evidence too, there's just no denying that Joseph Smith must have lied about everything. I grew up in the Mormon church and have a lot of fond memories of youth activities and I think I learned some very beneficial habits like (ironically) text interpretation, contextualization, study and critical thinking. That being said, there were some very harmful ideas implanted in my mind that I wish I could be free from.
Paul Gregersen debunked the Egyptologists in 2014. Google ''Book of Abraham pt 1 (Why Egyptologists are wrong) you tube''.
@@richardholmes7199 😅😂😅 You Mormons and your cognitive dissonance.
Simple.
My followers can't read this papyrus...
I can tell them it says anything I want, and they'll swallow it.
Give me more wives and money.
''I can tell them it says anything I want, and they'll swallow it.'' Are you seriously unintelligent enough to believe the Egyptologists?
@@richardholmes7199 no, I am smart enough to not believe the Mormons
@@poughkeepsieblue Then you're saying the Book of Abraham translation/explanation is supposed to match up with that of Egyptian mythology in order to be correct, correct? Yes, of course. Could you help me to understand this interpretation?
@@richardholmes7199 I'm saying the Mormon interpretation is absolute bullshit
Goodbye
@@poughkeepsieblue Could you expand on how the Mormon interpretation is ''absolute bullshit''?
I love how mormons change the definition of words like translate = be inspired by.
Like when there no horses so they implied the Lamenites were riding tapir and deer into battle. 😂
Joseph Smith once said that there lived people on the sun 🤣.
@Small_Flame You beat me to it. Lmao I love the Quakers on the moon.
ludicrous speed
Wait, what’s this about sun/moon people?
@Small_Flame oh, but they get around that by saying "sometimes he speaks as a man and sometimes as a prophet". That way they can pick and choose which is which and backpeddle if necessary.
@@apostatelizzy6836 the answer to that is BY said it in a sermon and he also claimed that his sermons were scripture.
@Small_Flame Brigham Young was so stupid it's a wonder how he somehow has a university named after him
I bet Hor's relatives didn't think when they buried him he'd travel so far with tales of grandeur.
3:40 - the papyrus wasn't given to a museum. It was sold by Emma after Joseph (and his mother) died and eventually believed to have been resold to the museum. Parts of the pyprus likely were in the museum as Facsimile 2 has never been recovered.
Hey brother, I'm from Utah and I just want you to know I appreciate what you are doing. I became an atheist around ten years ago and all it took was actually sitting down and reading the Bible. I couldn't force myself to believe genesis. The story of creation is literally unbelievable when you aren't fully groomed for it. That's why they baptize at 8 years old, get em young.
Anyway, my mom was raised a witness and we talk about your videos sometimes and you've helped both of us. Thank you.
It was weird being a Mormon because you would realize how ridiculous all this stuff is but every one in your social circle would pretend that it made complete sense. It would make you think that there was something wrong with you like you were just sinful and didn't have the spirit.
I remember learning the story about the lost 116 pages of the Book of Mormon when I was only a kid in primary even at that age I thought that proved Joseph Smith made it all up but all the adults acted like it proved he was a prophet. I learned to bury my doubts and not question. Mormonism puts a lot of focus on emotions at the expense of reason so if you criticize there beliefs they will often act defensively.
The egyptologists were debunked in 2014.
@@richardholmes7199 Haters don't care.
Bill Maher on prophets: "So what did you do before you got into the prophecy gig? Answer: I was a con man."
Having had been a life long TBM (true believing Mormon). The Book of Abraham was for me the final straw and wrecking ball that destroyed my belief in the church. What makes it so devastating is that The Book of Abraham is cannon, scripture, word of of God. The debunking of the of the BOA was something that my mental gymnastics could not make sense of.
The wheat and the tares. Your admitting to be a tare. Hope that works out for you in the eternal perspective.
@@michaelcrowley9008 I'm a hare! And it's Wabbit Season!!!
I worked REALLY hard on a rush translation of academic articles on Japanese ceramics with a team of three other scholars. It would have been amazingly helpful if we could have just "interpreted" it and called it a day.
I wish mormon missionaries would come to my apartment.
Be kind to them... they are VERY brainwashed and legitimately think they are doing a good thing.
BrackynMor good for you mate, Satanism is pretty good in terms of religious/spiritual belief systems.
@@JacquelineUnderwood Not really. All religions are a waste of time and useful only as a crutch for people who really need that sort of thing. Being proud of it is weird.
DivideByZero do you know what Satanism is and the history behind it? Because it actually is pretty healthy considering. There are healthy religions and spiritualities. I don’t think proselytizing is okay, and I don’t think using your religious or spiritual beliefs as an excuse to treat people badly is okay. But other than that, who cares? Let people do what they want if they’re not hurting anyone else and it makes them happy.
You can easily invite them in.
FYI the stones that were touched by Jesus to give light where for a different set of people that were also supposedly sent to America called the Jaredites. They got there in dish shaped submarines 😂😂😂
Well, not dish shaped but they were tight like unto a dish.
@@miguelthealpaca8971 true its been awhile since I've read the Book of Mormon
Thank you. You answered the question that I had.
@@miguelthealpaca8971 the fact I was literally named after this story is embarrassing
Really? 😂😂😂 how did I not know this one before? I just found out that Brigham Young saying that there are people living on the sun There’s probably tons more hilariously crazy doctrine that I’ve never heard of.
What else did Joseph Smith lie about? It would be easier to list the things here told the truth about.
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Done
Why do you lie?
@Maxwell You anti-Mormons sure do like to hear it the way want.
@@richardholmes7199 anti religion*
@Maxwell ''were not anti Mormon'' If you're not anti-Mormon, what are you then?
Google ''Book of Abraham pt 1 (Why Egyptologists are wrong) youtube''.
I was raised Mormon. They pounded that crap into my head from before I can even remember. I don't have a problem with anything you said and I don't even really have a problem with your tone but I would offer an unasked for suggestion. Remember that some of us didn't have a choice and were literally brainwashed with this stuff. It took me many years to get to a point where the guilt and shame offered by my family and former friends and honestly myself was outweighed by the relief of being free of this horrible nonsense. I know know that it's silly and stupid but I didn't stand much of a chance when I was two years old and my mother married into the "faith". So I guess I'd just say, keep a thought for those of us that had to fight our way out of it and maybe throw a few "some people didn't have a chance or choice" type phrases in there. It would maybe help others who are desperately clawing their way out. Thank you though, for a great video.
The crap on the above video was debunked back in the year 2014.
Hey Mike...nothing to say?
@@richardholmes7199 what crap was debunked? Did Joseph Smith or did he not fabricate “corrections” to the Egyptian papyrus that were, in fact, completely wrong (Like making a bird out of something that was never a bird.). Do you have a citation to the “debunking” source so that we can all see it?
These issues with the book of Mormon were part of my deconstruction. I was in the Mormon religion as a child. Once I examined these problems I found that they could not be resolved logically. So I attended an evangelical Church for a while. But then I applied the same skepticism to the Bible and found that the claims in it are no less ridiculous. Just older.
Big fan of the CES Letter.
South park does a great documentary on the mormons check it out .
Owen - Also refer people to these places:
Mormon Stories podcast - specifically the interviews with Dan Vogel and John Hammer (I think both have been interviewed a few times)
Check Dan Vogels youtube channel (he goes into the history of mormonism and the issues better than most)
Checkout Letter for my wife - much like the CES letter, but some mormons stay away from the CES Letter if they hear the name even mentioned, and they default to a document called "Bamboozled by the CES Letter" Which enters apologetics area. Most all mormons who have heard of the CES letter default to it being debunked than reading it themselves. I have many more references if needed too
thinker of thoughts on youtube also has some very good content. Once specifically on the 'Happyness letter" and Joseph Smith's pattern of being a manipulator in how he manipulated people into marriage. Check it out, you will be baffled - ruclips.net/video/LXoC4Fd3exE/видео.html
@@ex-mormonthanos9439 I have nothing interesting to say, I'd just like to express my appreciation for these comments and try and help to make it more visible to people who, like me, like to learn more.
I do have a completely unrelated question though I am also really super curious about, why did you choose Thanos to add in your name?
@@stylis666 initially started the name on twitter. When I left mormonism I became aware of how much of a fairy tale it is, a fictional story with the good guy vs the bad guy. I like Avengers and chose thanos as a way to irritate what I consider an extremist mormon group on twitter called DezNat (deseret nation). So I chose a fictional character to fight fictional ideas with. Thought about changing it but it seemed no one wanted me to in the exmo community, so its stuck
@@ex-mormonthanos9439 Hahaha I see. That's a good story; I like it. Thanks for explaining.
Google ''Jim Bennett refutes the CES Letter pdf''. Google ''Book of Abraham pt 1 (Why Egyptologists are wrong) you tube''.
It’s funny.... this isn’t even what got me out. Only a couple years before I left, I took an LDS-created class on world religions, and they taught that this papyrus was translated accurately and matches other Egyptian documents.... I began to stop believing when I read the doctrine and covenants on polygamy, which is clearly written by a narcissist telling his wife to shut up and take it or be damned. That’s all it took for me to know Joe was a scammer.
All undertale fans every time he says Papyrus wrong: -.0
Puh-pie-rus is Correct. Pap-ir-us was hurting my ears
Thank you... I have lost my mother, 2 sisters, 2 brothers and over 20 nieces and nephews to this BS religion, i degress, "CULT"
There are many reasons that people in a cult accept some pretty absurd stuff. 1. A member is not allowed to question or voice any issue with the cult theology on risk of being shunned by family and friends - losing all friends and associations and often losing their job as well. 2. Members are strongly told not to view or read any anti-Mormon materials on threat listed in 1. 3. Members are isolated from all non-members so that they can't be contaminated by truth outside their cult. 4. Members are kept very busy so that there is little time to dwell on the "issues", they are told to put them on a shelf. 5. Members are interrogated yearly to retain their temple recommend; not getting the recommend means being distrusted by other members; getting the recommend means the member shows no indication of doubt and has raised no concerns. It's a closed loop and, believe it or not, it's easy to get a whole group to believe something when there are no dissenters and no one is allowed to question.
Hey man, I love your content. Keep up with the good work.
You should really look into the book "Vew of the Hebrews". It was written in 1823 way before the book of mormon and it basically IS the book of mormon. Interesting.
Joseph Smith plagiarized so many books. This video by Aaron Ra is a good one too ruclips.net/video/_2Blbo2i-ig/видео.html
Paul, that is a lie, and I know because I have read both books; they are as alike as one love story is to any other. However, I recommend people read both and compare.
Eric Lawton how do you explain this one then? ruclips.net/video/_2Blbo2i-ig/видео.html
Papyrus
[puh-pahy-ruh s]
-noun, plural pa·py·ri [puh-pahy-rahy, -ree] /pəˈpaɪ raɪ, -ri/, pa·py·rus·es.
Joseph smith could read just fine. They SAY he could not to make the fact he wrote the book of mormon more mystical
You should read some of his letters, the ones that were not penned by his scribes. He might have made it to 6th grade, tops. But he was a good talker and loved to tell tall tales.
As someone who’s family has been Mormon for decades, but also personally doesn’t believe in the religion, I think most people just aren’t educated on these topics. The church definitely skirts around them. Also, I think most people are converted because of their teachings of family values. The day-to-day teachings focus on eternal families and the ability to thrive after death, which is super common in most Christian faiths, but is heavily taught in Mormonism.
I'm surprised they don't mention Israel is part of Asia and claim to still be right.
Asia is a large continent and the second most genetically diverse one (Africa is the first); Middle Easterners are far more closely related to Europeans than other Asians (Fair skin actually comes from the Middle East originally, and Europeans only have fair skin because of large amounts of Neolithic Middle Eastern migration.). American Indians are genetically closest to Siberians and other far northeast Asian groups.
The Book of Abraham being a made up translation of an Egyptian funerary scroll isn't even the worst part of it. Abraham is widely regarded by historians as a mythical figure, so Joseph Smith made a fraudulent record of a fictional character. Think of that.
I grew up a mormon...I figured out that it was one big fantasy religion by the time I was 13 years old.
Who wrote the Book of Mormon ~~~and any evidence ??
It's weird seeing this after being about 4 years removed from the Mormon church. Looking at this now, it's laughable. Utterly ridiculous that I once accepted this as truth whole heartedly. Smith took some papyrus, sold by a traveling salesman, and made a ton of things up, leveraging the fact that nobody could read Egyptian at the time. I feel like such an idiot to have ever defended this at one point in my life. I hope others are woken up as well.
Stop the pretense. You never really believed it. You never had a testimony. No loyalty. You simply took the first convenient off-ramp and now wrap yourself in the victim's mantel apparently to gain the fawning approval of all the haters here. OK...you left. Big whoop! But for the love of Marsha Brady, don't claim to have ever been converted.
@@JohnDLee-im4lo what? What approval? You're the first person to make a comment. And, if I didn't believe, why would I have joined? I wasn't under any social pressure to be in it. I live in Vancouver. The Mormon population here is like 0.00000001% of the total population. It was completely my choice to leave. And I left because I was flat out lied to. So much of what the missionaries taught me wasn't true. Especially the video of Joseph Smith's life.
@@RandolphTheWhite1 While you're looking for someone or something to blame...maybe you should start with your own sloth and indolence. Or you could embrace the embarrassment of your abject failure at Mormonism. If you didn't know something it's on you. You never bothered to investigate these matters and now you want to blame everybody but yourself. A great gig at these sites.
I left the Mormon church back in 2005 prior to the CES letter coming out. I wish I had know all the information it contains before I ever joined that foul church. It is unfortunate but many Mormons who read the CES Letter stay in the church in spite of its damming information. It is virtually impossible to change the minds of true believers.
PS- I am now a happy atheist.
@12 minute mark, the canine headed person on the left is Anubis (just an FYI)
"He wasn't translating exactly, he was interpreting." is it just me, or does that sound ad hoc af!
By the way, I recognised Annubis, who was the Jackal headed god of the underworld, on the original Papyrus.
I don't think Telltale is too knowledgeable in Egyptology: JWs probably think any study of ancient polytheistic religions must be Satanist apostasy.
@@Wasserkaktus Probably True, but then again I don't know much about the subject either, though I know enough to understand why Joseph Smith was completely wrong.
@@daviydviljoen9318 Literally anyone outside of deluded Mormons could tell you that Egyptian Hieroglyphs have absolutely nothing to do with Abrahamic Texts: Abrahamic Texts were never, ever written in Hieroglyphs, Egyptians were staunch polytheists, and this is one of the main things they wrote about, and Abraham is not associated with Egypt. It's funny seeing moron apologists like Richard Holmes spend all his time arguing on RUclips how and why the Book of Abraham is somehow valid, but also sad.
Joseph Smith interpreted one of the figures in the papyrus to be God sitting on his throne. The interpretation by Egyptologists is that it is a fertility god with an erection. The Mormon god is a horny god; would explain the polygamy. The CES Letter was the start of the end for me. A mission, a temple marriage, years of teaching and leading in the church, all of this was stripped away by a letter (which only took an hour to read).
It is difficult to completely part from something that was so formative for me. Even now, I hear myself giving apologist answers to the questions you raise here but a second of thought makes me realize how ridiculous. It was this that really caused me to part from this faith. To take an objective look and see how unverifiable and outright ridiculous many of the claims and practices the Mormon church espouses are.
Thank you for your honesty and logical analysis. You do not appeal to emotion. You acknowledge that it is difficult, essentially impossible, to prove a negative (scientific thought is based on the opposite principle). And you place the burden of proof on the originators of the theory. Thank you again!
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You confused two stories there, which is a real shame because the stories are actually weirder than you make it out to be lol
The glowing stones were used by the Jaredites, who came to the Americas during the whole Tower of Babel thing. They didn’t build ships, they built - get this - submarines. Obviously not the high-tech ones we have today, but submarines nonetheless. The stones weren’t meant to light the way for the ships, but to provide light to them while they were underwater.
This is NOT the group claimed to be the ancestors of the native Americans, as the Jaradites went extinct.
The Lamanites, which are the group actually claimed to be native Americans, came on a boat guided by a spherical compass that pointed them toward the “promised land”.
Yeah, well Kwaku El has his CES Letter debunking show coming soon so, I'm sure we 'anti-mormon' critics are about to eat our words.
I dont trust that guy. He said that he encountered some historically accurate stuff in the book of Abraham, so to him that Is WAY MORE IMPRESSIVE than the manuscript being properly translated. I dont understand that logic, It makes my head hurt.
@@theyoutubeanalyst3731 It is certainly an avoidance of logic. Anything that can even attempt to affirm one's faith is usually going to be accepted before anything that contradicts it. Whatever attempts he makes to refute the CES Letter will be interesting for sure, especially since it is not a letter of statements but questions based on honest inquiry.
Dude, Kwaku has been telling that for so long now i doubt he'll ever debunk it because he doesn't have shit ..
Kwaku is a a useful idiot for the LDS church, and they get the added bonus that he is black so how could the church ever have been racist?
@@petrakakytch4809 I was feeling the same way, but he's recently stated it has been filmed and named and coming soon. He also said it's supposed to be a comedy show which kind of sounds like a pre-emptive cop-out so, we'll see.
Unfortunately i am not in a position to be able to donate any money to the channel or even get any merchandise. But thanks for all of the videos. Every day that i see you pop up in my notifications is a good day! Cheers from the southwest states.
And there’s a Jehovah’s Witness advertisement and a 15 min Mormon ad on this vid.
Your so cute
“At the sound of the tiny truck backing up” Holly Flacks😉
OK, you left a couple of facts on the table. I stopped the video at 3 minutes 50 seconds and I felt a need to make this point. Number One: Smith was told that Egyptian was a dead language that no one could understand. This is important to note because it gave Smith the idea that he could translate it and no one would be able to tell him that he was wrong. It is important to note this because it gives a motive to why Smith decided to get these things. But it is also important to note because all of this had happened before people knew of the importance of the Rosetta Stone and that, yes, we could actually translate the thing. Second of all, eventhough the museum burned down, the things did not get destroyed and they were recovered later.
Heavens Gate is a dead religion 🤣
Idk if you meant the double entendre or not but I love it.
Sadly you are right about the conditioning. I pointed out the CES letter to a Mormon and was told “Well those are haters of the church that wrote it.”
And it wasn't just that Joseph Smith was an ignorant rube as the LDS Church likes to portray him. He likely knew that there was yet to be reliable translation of hieroglyphics (hieroglyphics were just starting to be translated based on the work of Jean-François Champollion using the Rosetta Stone) in period of 1835 to 1840 when he "translated " the Book of Abraham and that makes him all the more of a snake oil salesman. And as a professional translator, I find the Mormons' use of "translation" in relation to Joseph Smith and his "translations" of Book of Mormon, Book of Abraham and the Bible to be a great disservice to translators.
Chandler, the guy exhibiting the papyrus and mummies made them BUY the mummy as well. $2,400 ($59,000 in 2019 dollars)
can this CES letter thing be a series on your channel? PLEASE?
I think the biggest problem is that when you're a Mormon you know about absolutely NONE of this. When I was a member I had never heard of the Book of Abraham in my life until I read the CES Letter
does anyone know the calab and Sofia video that was made after all the sexual abuse lawsuits and the video telltale did about it, I can’t find it.
It’s not just modern native Americans it’s also all of the remains ever found on the entire continent despite the bom claims of battles where millions die in one day! It’s astounding what people will believe!
Hey, I was abused in care and kinda see human interactions weirdly too. I'd love to video chat if you like. Xx
Sending love and healing
It also must be noted that the mostly unlettered Smith translated the “Book of Abraham” into a quite stilted form of English found in the KJV, a holy book he was quite familiar with. Curiously the “BoA” and the KJV share idioms despite being 2 millennia apart on the time line.
So a traveling merchant heard there is religious group whose leader "translates" ancient texts, living in a commune (cult compound) and went showed it to them.
Anything for money.
I remember coming across the CES letter a few years ago. Very interesting conclusion from the author.
#Former mormon here
Fantastic video, if any Mormon still is a Believer, then they're definitely ignoring simple Facts! One girl this reminds me of, is the reaction you did to the Mormon woman reaction to the South Park episode, where she didn't even understand that "dumb, dumb, dumb" song🤦😫🤣
A traveling salesman named Chandler, had four mummies left to sell with a pile of papyri, in 1835, in Kirtland Ohio, approx. 25 miles East of Cleveland. Chandler had displayed the mummies and papyri, and Joseph Smith came over and looked. He said he could translate them and came up with the bogus translation, of the book of Abraham. Chandler wanted $2400 dollars, which translated into over $70,000 dollars today. The LDS settlement had been building the Kirtland Temple, and were very short on cash, so Smith got some of the wealthier Morons to give him the money. This is how Smith conned the people into believing he could translate Egyptian! The scholars finally learned to read the hieroglyphs a few years later, and Smith's translation, was found to be phony as he and his made up religion.
”if you’re listening to this on the podcast or watching on RUclips” *is ’watching youtube’ but is blind*... I appreciate the visual description
Even with the picture the explanation was still useful.
i struggled with leaving for a while. it hurt because i grew up with it and it was a comfort to me when my mother passed.
but a lie is a lie. and i refuse to be a part of it anymore. glad i found the truth now, when i’m 17, instead of later in life
Many Freemasons do not like Joseph Smith or Mormonism because Smith put Freemasonic like rites and regalia in the religion. He was thrown out of the Freemasons because of that.
I didn't know that, very interesting
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I'm pretty sure the plural of "papyrus" is "paprika", and "papito" is also acceptable.
I was hoping someone would correct Owen on that. If you pronounce a word awkwardly enough it will most probably sound really awkward. Word of the day is: Swam. Say that a couple of times out loud and then try to say the word with zero context to someone's face, without laughing :p Good luck :p
Just a question or rather an observation. The supposed Israelites that were to have sailed to the Americas were allegedly there before Jesus was born. Therefore, he couldn't have touched any stones. This is the first time I'm hearing the stone part and would like to see your source for this. Just curious where this came from and how it is supposed to fit in to the greater story. Thanks much!
I find it hilarious that JS had a diy zine, that he would try to force everyone to read.
Reminds me of a Danish Millionaire, who wrote his memoir and had it postal delivered to every damn household in the nation.
For free. Like... He knew noone was gonna want to read that.
I *REALLY* like your voice, it's so soothing.
There must have been a fascination of ancient Egypt, Russel was into pyramids.
I have nothing of substance to say about the content of this video itself, but I'll say this: I've learned a lot from this video and I have a near endless appreciation for that fact and for the Telltale that lead up to that.
I’m here after 40 Seconds cause I refreshed my YT subs page!!
Please explain the free-masonry connection to mormon temple practices, that stuff is hella interesting
Sounds like my old religion, Jehovah’s Witnesses.
I wouldn’t call both those religions a cult but I mean...
Yep! That’s what I though too
There’s an ad under the video “Ancient temple rites restored - evidences of the true church” that may be interesting to take a look at?
Hey telltale, what are your views on Catholicism?
He has a whole video about it.
Holy Holly's hamburgers dude! That beep was loud AF! How'd you even get my phone to be so damn loud haha.
That said, I don't always agree with you, maybe agree somewhat or completely about 70% of the time but on video subjects like these...I'm 100% with you.
Scriptures in some way are ancient tales, and folklore, symbolism and mythology and then there's this.
Why would any unbeliever be persecuted? Not cool
its a mirical
@@Sportliveonline what is?
@@NikkiDocherty74 Being Sarcastic thats all ~~~~origins of The Book of Mormon and Abraham is elusive and unknown
@@Sportliveonline read what i said above.
@Fidel Castro Better Than CHRIST , They're everywhere apparently. I'm not Mormon. I'm not even religious. I was raised Baptist. My family is Baptist. I have an address book with family's and a few friend's addresses. Not a book of morons.
The root problem is people want to feel right not know the truth
I imagined you to look different from hearing your voice lol
Correction: After Smith's death his wife inherited the papyri. Smith did NOT donate them to a museum.
He had the papyri (and the mummies) on show at his home.
The papyri did end up in a museum in Chicago, but Smith was not the donor.
First!
Haven’t watched in a little and forgot your name was Owen and I was so co fused at the start lmaooo
i like your channel, for example a "simple" thing like they way you switch between the drawings, and vids like this one.
Also the topics of course...
Since I’m still technically a member (I don’t attend any meetings, so I don’t have an opportunity to be ex-communicated and I never bothered to remove my name from the Mormon Church’s records), the few times the missionaries have shown up I just smile and say “you’re too late, Elders (or Sisters) I’m already a member”. Then they just smile and leave. No fuss. No muss.
Who wrote the Book of Mormon ~~~and any evidence ??
wonder fuller Joseph Smith made the whole thing up. I’m not a believer. I’m sorry if that wasn’t clear. I’m using a technicality to get the missionaries to leave me alone
That papyrus is the reason that made think JS was a fraud. Glad this is part of the CES letter I am sure there is plenty more
Just discovered your content. Love it! 👍
When you conduct an experiment, technically you are testing the “null hypothesis” (i.e., not my expected outcome). If your hypothesis is correct, it is noted as “failure to disprove the null”. Instead of saying “I proved X“ it’s actually “I failed to disprove not X”
Please use the bite model on Salvation Army
playing musical instruments
That was really interesting! I have been listening to Jimmy talk about the CES letter but I had no idea what that was about and now I understand so much more and thank you.
I grew up Evangelical, no matter how much proof you have that disprove or outright show contradictions in the beliefs the church and it's believers will ALWAYS switch the story around to fit their views. They will straight up change the story around, make assumptions that don't exist in the texts and cannot be proven and when desperate outright lie and omit details to fit a narrative they cannot prove. When all else fails they just say it's what God tells them and what they "feel" is right.