There is something deeply unsettling about how she laughs off some apparently ridiculous portrayal in South Park and then with a completely straight face says something equally insane
@@kmcd3020 yeah I guess at their core all religions are pretty ridiculous but I have some Christian and Muslim friends who at least try to reason properly, I guess they fail but who knows, It just seems to me that this girl is particularly neurotic but I guess the logical flaws in her thinking are common across all religions. It might just be her crazy eyes lol
@@kmcd3020 it's sad because it must take a pretty heavy mental toll on someone, expecting a reality which just doesn't exist, I really hope she finds her way to free thinking
"He didn't have to dig around all morning guys, the angel directed him where he should go." She's really got them there... Maybe we should all convert now.
She's got yeah and story says joe ran through fields with gold plates and dodged couple rascals tried take it away. U huuuh then what I can I see them no god says you can't just use your third eye and believe. Uhuuh.
@@saintnash1 Yeah, except this one is like that one friend who always lies to you about their struggles and constantly asks if they can live with you, and they always say "Dude, trust me. I'll repay you" but of course, they never do.
@@louistournas120 you say that like there's golden plates sitting in a museum somewhere if you were told when you were a child/deeply mentally unstable that Jesus rode a trex and listened to rock music you'd believe it
@@DeShawnMcDonald Of course I would believe it and I was a christian. Eventually, my bs detector developed. It’s always the same story: Some aliens came in a space ship and they build those rock things or some alien came down from the clouds but it was one of the smaller aliens, you know, the aliens with bird wings while the big daddy alien sits in the clouds. Then, the big daddy alien decided to impregnate a jeemoo woman. Virgin this and that. You will name him Emmanuel. 2000 y and people still believe that stuff? Well, at least it is slowly going away. And then someone asks me, what do I think will happen when I die? Will I just disappear into nothingness? Hmmm. I don’t spend billions of dollars on churches and demand people to obey my rules or else. Before you spend that amount of money and time and force people into obedience, you better make damn sure that the evidence is rock solid. How about asking the important questions first. Is the truth important to you? Is finding out what the truth is important to you? How do you go about finding out what is true and what is false? What is evidence?
@@dx.feelgood5825 Exactly! One of my personal favorites...someone told me WITH CONVICTION that they were "half as smart as the smartest mf'er I'd EVER meet!" Yeah, just let that ignorance soak in. Lol They fully thought they'd told me some shit! 😂 It amazes me that some people can even make it through the day. 🤦
@@staciehenderson6982 Lord help us all.. I think the dumbest is the "curse of intelligence" morons drone on about lmao. The only curse of intelligence is either: things in class feel like they move too slow and it's boring, or your brain just goes on too fast for anyone else to pick up. That's also ADHD too though so eh
Yea, I think she got it at that point from the look on her face and that she stopped laughing at them singing “dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb”... what an idiot. I hope she grows out of this...
Knew a woman who'd been married to a Mormon, when I asked her about it, she told me to watch the South Park episode on Mormonism for education, so I did
I actually don't think that she was smiling out of blissful ignorance. I don't think many ppl who were never raised by super religious ppl get it. Even in your mind when you know something doesn't make sense you can't say that out loud especially publically cause your family and everybody around you is watching you. It's a social fear of being rejected by everyone. I was raised in a super religious christain enviroment. I lost my belief long ago but because everybody around me still believes this shit I have to pretend I do too just for the sake of peace. I can assure you she probably has a crisis of faith going on in her head right now. Common sense and religious brain washing battling with each other.
you know when you have a friend who is gaslighting you, and you believe them, but then you quote them to another friend and it suddenly feels like you are lying, because nothing makes sense?
Wow this is wild, I know EXACTLY that feeling lol!!!! You hit the nail on the head. I hope some people encounter that when they first start to get into a religion and then they’re expected to convert others….. suddenly it’ll click that they’re doing something bonkers 😅
If it’s all made up then why didn’t witnesses who left the church and didn’t support Joseph smith in his later life deny the existence of the plates entirely? Group hallucination isn’t scientifically accurate and if they all made a plot to create the church and fabricate everything then why didn’t those who stopped supporting Joseph later in life expose the church? You can try to deny and explain this in many ways but none of them are as likely as it simply being true.
Well, I just imagined the plates before me, anyone can, just close your eyes and imagine golden plates, that's it I actually saw golden plates because I used my imagination, I could write an entire FICTIONAL book series about the golden plates I IMAGINED. Edit, ... SARCASM
It turns out the "witnesses" never actually physically saw the plates as the church used to teach. With new uncovered historical documents from the "witnesses" they admit they saw the plates only with their "spiritual eyes" aka faith. Now that's how the church teaches about these "witnesses" and had to change the newest editions of the Book of Mormon.
@@Xrayflames Damn that is recent. I just checked the BoM I got in seminary (and still have for some reason) and it was printed in 2004, so that explains why I'm not very familiar with this. Thanks for the info
From "The Testimony of Eight Witnesses" (which is printed in every copy of The BOM - "..we did handle with our own hands; ..." "And this we bear record with words of soberness....for we have seen and hefted, and know of a surety that the said Smith has got the plates of which we have spoken..."
@@BadEconomyOfficial It’s laughable how you had absolutely no problem replying to the original comment that calls her beliefs ridiculous but when @Viktor Vaughn commented there are no gods you get defensive and claim that your god is the one true god. As you stated, believe what you want to believe but don't act like your beliefs aren't just as ridiculous as hers.
8:20 you can tell she starts panicking right after the wife sets up her test, and then the behavior control kicks in and her face freezes in that last little smile... poor thing, I really hope she gets out
I can feel her cognitive dissonance through the screen. When you get out, sister, I’ll be here for you, cuz leaving is fucking hard. Idk. Her eyes are glazed over and everything.
As someone finally starting to come out of Mormonism, the cognitive dissonance really does hit hard, like I almost found myself agreeing with what she said before I realized what I was saying
As an ex-Mormon, I’m so glad South Park made this episode. I was never given a choice to be a mormon, I was born into it. And when I started questioning my beliefs as a teenager, wooh boy my parents were not happy. It doesn’t help that my dads a narcissistic abusive asshole. He’d literally drag me out of my room by my hair or arms (hard enough to bruise my arms for a few weeks and to rip hair out of my head) and force me into the car so we could go to church. Eventually I learned it was easier to just go along with them and rebel in little ways. I’d stopped taking sacrament, stopped going to young women’s, stopped reading the Bible and Book of Mormon every night, stopped going to seminary, stopped participating in weekly youth activities. Being a Mormon is hell. Being an ex-mormon is hell because you never really leave the church. Sure you can leave (sending a letter and everything) but once in a while they’ll have missionaries track you down because they feel you’ve been “misguided”. So people, if you’re wanting to become a Mormon please think about it. Because once you’re in, you don’t really leave. It’s an all or nothing type deal, and essentially you live and breath Mormon everyday. To this day I still have insecurities about clothes and premarital sex because of how the church essentially brushed (synonym of the g word guys) young women. I hope to never attend another church session.
Cody Hutchison there is an air of arrogance in mormonism that is putrud to the core. they believe everyone else is stupid and deceived but they have been found to be worthy to know the truth. they operate in a better, smarter, and more godly than you mindset. I have interacted with mormons for the most part of my life and they are anything but humble. if you watch ANY interview/debate with mormons you will see this arrogant spirit in operation by what they say, how they say it, and their body language.
I know quite a few Mormons, and a couple of my family members are Mormon. I think calling Mormons arrogant about their religion is a little sweeping. Just like in many religions there are different levels to practitioners beliefs. Everywhere from casual to someone who makes the religion their life style. I will agree with you though that the people that make Mormonism their life style tend to be arrogant about their belief, and their's a reason. Mormon's pride themselves on strengthening their own resolve, so they welcome people to challenge their own beliefs. If you go on your mission, you end out reading only the book of Mormon for somewhere around two years. You're not allowed to go on the internet, watch TV, or read other books. Obviously, people break those rules, but at the very least they spend 2 hours every morning reading and discussing the book of Mormon. They then fill their day with convincing other people to become Mormon, and congregating with people who are already Mormon. By the time you go through the entire ordeal, you feel pretty above everybody else that doesn't think like you.
I love throughout the video when she nods her head, smiles and says "That's true" while watching scenes that are clearly poking fun at how rediculous it all is. Is her sarcasm detector broken?
@@nedson6503 Francis crick a hardcore athiest, Co discovered the DNA molecule. He wrote a book, called the astonishing hypothesis. Heres what he said. "Is that you, your Joys your sorrows your memories your ambitions your personal identity and your free will are in fact no more than the behavior of a vast network of nerve cells and molecular molecules. In other words your a molecular machine. You may think you have free will but you really don't. You may think you're conscious but that's just an illusion. Because you are completely governed by the laws of physics. Every thought you have is a result of previous natural cause over which you have no control." Now either you are governed by the laws of physics which control everything that you do everything that happens to you everything that will ever happen including your thought processes of your mind or there is a Creator behind the laws of physics that govern those laws because no scientist has been able to prove what governs the laws of physics and why they act the way that they act. Its either true God exists or he doesnt. Both cannot be true. If its not true then your a slave to the laws of physics and the natural world. Something that is true for a person is true for all people in all places at all times. There are no relative truths. Can everything be proven by science? Is that a scientific proof? No! You cant go in the laboratory and prove that scientifically that everything can be Proven by science. Thats a philosophical claim. You act like you don't have any burden of proof when we have plenty of evidence that we give inside and outside the Bible but you offer nothing. You say you just lack a belief in God. That's not the definition of atheism. An atheist is someone who thinks that the evidence shows that there is no God. And I've noticed an atheist don't just lack a belief in God they come up with all sorts of explanations to explain why the universe is the way that it is they'll say it's quantum theory they'll say it's evolution they'll say there are multiple universes they'll say that materialism is true. They dont lack a belief in any of those things. They have positive belief that those things are true so why don't you tell me out of those things or whatever it is you believe what evidence do you have to support why you believe what you believe why don't you try to convince me that your form of atheism is true and why it's true and how you know it's true? You see he who was a skeptic in one sense that being Christianity is a True Believer in another set of beliefs. Materialism. I don't alone have a burden of proof. So why aren't you skeptical of skepticism? If you're skeptical of the Christianity and you're skeptical of all other religions why don't you try being skeptical of skepticism of those things? What really better explains existence and why were here and why the universe is the way it is? God and the Bible or science? Man who says they think they know what happened 4.25 billion years ago or the Bible which tells us what happened two thousand years ago?
@@dakotawright2811 This is a horribly repeated trope of religious people that claim to know an atheists opinions to make it seem like they are taking everything on faith. What science allows us to do through the SCIENTIFIC METHOD, is to create TESTABLE hypotheses of how the universe works and then get independent people to verify those theories. Other scientists then try to disprove these theories, and if no one can, then the credibility of these theories is considered very high, but at any time in the future the theories can be proven to be INCOMPLETE. Incomplete doesn't mean the original hypothesis is totally wrong, it usually means that more evidence is found where a theory might account for a certain amount of visible phenomena, but unable to work for another set of phenomena (look at Newtonian physics being updated with special and general relativity) Now compare this to religion where you have to take EVERYTHING on faith, with no evidence (and sorry a book is not evidence). What a lot of atheists believe is not that there is definitely not a God, but in fact, the people that claim there IS a God have the burden of proof and have thus far shown no evidence. Going further, not only is there no evidence, but saying "God did it" is creating UNTESTABLE hypotheses and therefore trying to just end the conversation before it starts. Atheists/science doesn't claim there is NO God... it just doesn't claim there is bc a) there's no evidence of one, b) its untestable meaning there's no point in even entertaining the idea, c) there are better theories that MAY explain the laws of physics and the universe in things like multiverse or string theory, and people are working on ways to try and test these ideas out, as well as ways to disprove the models in an attempt to make them more accurate to the world we live in
@@justinbarker4813 they're literally mountains of evidence and thousands of books written that have evidence in them of Jesus Christ and his resurrection written outside the Bible by Jewish Roman Greek Egyptian and several other historians who were either eyewitness accounts or who interviewed eyewitness accounts or people who talk to eyewitnesses. Have you ever read any apologetics book? And even if science could explain how the laws of physics work you still couldn't tell me why they work that way and how they exist in the first place. You lack of belief in God but you believe in other things you also have the burden of proof to prove that you believe in those things for a reason and that they are correct and that they are the reason the universe exists and runs so finely tuned and so perfectly. And as one of the top atheist in the world pointed out in my comment if God doesn't exist then you're really just a molecular robot with no hope and no reason to exist. Youd also have to prove your standard of morality and where it comes from. We all know the evil exists but evil cant exist without good because evil is the absence of good so we know the good exist so what do you determine to be good? Why is there something instead of nothing? We know gravity exist but we can't see it and we can't feel it and we Cant put it in a test tube and study it but we know it works...but whats making gravity do what it does? How can you even trust your own thought processes if you did the ball from a lesser life form who came from presumably a pool of goop with the right mix of chemicals and some lightning struck it and boom a living thing out of it arose or something like that because scientists don't really know they just have a handful theories but no matter what if you kept it off and it kept evolving from these lesser life form and you don't have any purpose and you're really just a set of molecules and cells governed by the laws of physics and that means that even the thoughts in your mind are not your own but are the cause of a previous physical event. How can you trust anything? Even your mind or feelings? You either believe in God or you don't and if you don't believe in God then that means that you have evidence and a belief and faith in something else that shows why we exist and how we exist and what we're doing here contrary to God
There is a Mormon university where people are apparently smart enough to study at degree level while simultaneously believing this nonsense. Its a strange world.
Same can be said of all kind of faiths including atheism. **shrug** Also, next time you take and ALIVE for pain, thank a "Mormon" and that university for it.
@@BookAndLace Atheism isn't a faith. It's the lack thereof. It's literally in the word. A as in opposition to, theism as in the belief in the concept of gods or a god. Before you say how much "faith" atheism takes, please remember that anything that can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Does it take faith to not believe in the flying spaghetti monster? No, it just takes common sense. Stop projecting. Also I don't have to thank a Mormon for that as I've literally never taken that in my life. You can however, thank atheists for the computer software and hardware you are using to see and type in this space, be it from Microsoft or Apple.
"Their family is so loving and together!" Trust me bud, that's just what they want you to see. I'm in therapy for issues that largely stem from my 'loving and together' Mormon family. It's a trap.
Are the parents very controlling about what emotions the children are allowed to show in public? I see these picture perfect Mormon families but I gotta think there’s always a lot of arguing at home that they’re just not allowed to do in public for their image.
Same with my "loving together"Baptist pastor's family. It's a screen. Behind closed doors, the parents hurt their children with beatings, screaming, and propaganda to enforce belief systems. Religion is cancer.
Grandma Pirate I am an ex mormon. My family covered up abuse, a disfunctional family, etc. We're not the only ones. 5 of my Mormon friends also grew up in dysfunctional families. Instead of resolving the issues my family hid them or thought religion would fix it or blamed us for not being good enough mormons. Lol
@@EmilyRobinsonShotgunEm if you see a family with the really unsettling always smiling and upbeat attitude it's almost always a screen and there's some shit going on in the family. Generally speaking though, no, the emotions displayed are not forced. It's a very family oriented religion. At worst kids and even entire family units are sheltered and on the naive side. Edit: ↑ Kitty there is a good example. It really depends on the family. But horribly abusive families are everywhere.
And almost all of the “witnesses” of the book of mormon later “fell away” from the Mormon church and converted to other religions. If they knew it was true, don’t you think they wouldn’t stayed with the religion?
A few did come back. And as far as we have been told, none of the witnesses denied seeing and handling the gold plates. Sometimes knowing something is true and following it is very hard.
There are many reasons why they left the church. And a couple did come back. However, remember this--The Church of Jesus Christ was persecuted by other religions, mobs, and states. The Saints were denied their constitutional rights as citizens of the United States. They were driven out of Missouri and Illinois and basically had to leave the United States. I have a lot of pride for those who remained faithful, like my ancestors, but I also have a lot of understand, and non-judgement, for those who left.
Yes the church and their billions they don't use to actually help the homeless and their "lay clergy" that actually gets a living allowance that ALSO pays their mortgages or apartments
like a 6yo on her 1st day in school looking proud of herself that she remembered how to write her name. kinda sad realy to see a grown "adult" with that expression.
@@uteriel282 ... ... ... ... ...I was that 6yo....but I might possbily have Dyslexia (don't worry I've done some research) so that's probably it because I always mixed my letters up and I have a "d" in my name and I used to always write it as a "b". I never understood that it was the wrong one until a teacher pointed it out and it was a habit that I had to break but I still do it sometimes (rarely)😭
Yeah it's kind of tragic how cults can stunt the development of people's minds. I have a friend who is a young Earth Creationist who is generally very smart, but when challenged on creationism will reason as if he's a 7 year old arguing about whether Optimus Prime really could beat Megazord in a fight.
it was 3 hours for forever but recently got changed to 2 (in 2019 i think) for sundays, if you're 7-18, you go for an hour (about) every wednesday. they have a lot of firesides too, especially for youth (11-18)
The bit about some generic "bad people" stealing the original translations and changing them before returning them sounds like something a small child would come up with off the top of their head when they got busted cheating. "I didn't plagiarize the paper...what happened is someone stole the paper I wrote and then wrote a different one that they had plagiarized and snuck it back into my backpack so I handed it in!"
All I could think when I watched it was "Smart smart smart smart smart!" sarcastically. Baffling. It is literally mind boggling to me that in 2000 whatever, someone couldn't pick up on the fact that people have been making up crazy stories forever, but this one.... no this is the real deal!
@@Razgriz85 I cant wait for it to come back in town. The cheapest tickets are a pretty good price and because of that, it always gets sold out immediately. :(
@@camdenmiller7127 and? The individuals are part of a cult like religion, which affects their lives. That was the main point here. They have a nice look from the outside, but they are pretty weird and fake sometimes. I know, this is just from my own experience, so I can't say they are all like this, but it still happens. Besides, with all they money they got it would be damn obvious that they were not as good if they didn't donate and stuff
As someone who was raised in the church and later left, it's really interesting to see the psychology of the members from a more unbiased view point. She wants to believe it's true. She's trying to convince herself as much as she is others.
My question for you, why did you stay in Mormonism for the period of time you stayed if you’d live later on? It’s not like anyone forced you to be raised in that church. U couldn’t u have said no any time you want
@@rosneretoile Actually you can't. How exactly would you raise yourself when you're 8 years old and parents are mormons and brought you into that religion ? DO you have the option of leaving ? No, you don't. Sometimes I wish people think before opening their mouths to blab.
@@rosneretoile "its not like anyone forced you". Theres such a think as being born into religion. The first 12 years of my life I spent mormon, however around that age I started thinking for myself and decided to leave of my own will
My Dad is a former Mormon and he says all of the mockery is 100% true and valid. Even better, he finds it absolutely hilarious because of how true it was for him. Literally some people just can’t take a joke.
I prayed and asked God about Mormonism and LDS. He stated to run and remove your self of this demonic inspired religion. Then I asked about Scientology and said serious do I have to give answer?
Yeah each reformed egyptian hieroglyphic must have encoded several paragraphs :). Even then those plates must have been really really big and heavy. Funny how they just disappeared like that, and required quite a bit of cajoling to become visible in the first place.
That’s what I always tell them. “I prayed about it and the Holy Spirit told me that Mormonism is false. I know this because I have a burning in my bosom and know it with every fiber of my being.”
@@robinfriess1661 morons are over proved devil liars bible wise and outside wise jesus the one true one jesus is cursing them too and im not christian and i know this when i was one a christian.
She is describing her religion here n comparing with South park. I'm 100% sure u also believe in a religion of urs. What makes Ur one right n her one wrong. Who give u the power to judge other people belief. U guys learned nothing from South Park episode. Be humble, don't attack other people belif, if they r good with each other so can u. U guys r hypocrite
@Claudia Solomon I made the same mistake with that comment of mine. I tried to teach our fellow athiest that come out strong n show religious stupid ways n how fake all of it sounds to a religious person do not support our cause. It's hurting us. We Athiest now look down as angry, doubtful, skeptical, full of hatred. Look at all the Athiest movement channel on RUclips. They r dying. Because they come too strong m hard when they debate with Religion. Some creationist deserved to be make fun off. Those TV Evengelist like Kenham n others must be destroyed. But when normal people like us ask to those channel over phone n some maybe those person doubt or proof. We also come out hard on those callers. Then this people get turned off watching us look like this. Some of them even told me that why we r always angry, try to make fun with religious people. This opened my eyes. We should stop doing that n try to be a good listeners. We have to show this people not by destroying there proof. But showed them why religion doesn't works step by step. Do u think this woman when she saw this video think I might be wrong here so I need to change my ways. She will never do that. She now think us as enemy because we showed her by mocking her beliefs. Now I view Religion n Science with film Matrix pill choice. One pill shows u nothing but lies,. Where the stories about GOD heaven n hell's might be true or not. Other pill is the truth but nothing else. Here u wake up n see the world for the first time n take Ur first step outside the real world. This world is scary first but what u make out of it it's up to u.
@@arlaratman862 I belief now we shouldn't attack other people belief n make fun of it. Religion itself is a belief system n what we now belife in is science. That means logic n reasoning, we search for the truth. But when we argue with a religious person. Its become a belief Vs science debate always. This will never work because how can u prove there is a God or not. We have to be patient n always try to understand this people. When they want to know or ask us about religion. We shouldn't insult that person by debunk it straight away. We have to show them why religion itself doesn't work. If we try to listen then we can make some real change. We must stop this TV Evangelist, Ken Ham n people like that who use religion to harm people. Those who use religion to there own benefit must be stop. But if we attack those believers then we just make them our enemy. We supposed to open there eyes one by one. They will be the one who destroyed this corrupt religion leaders.
I like how every time she stops and says “no that isn’t right here’s what actually happened” the very next scene in the episode explains more or less the same thing she just got done using as a justification, except without being filtered through a lense which assumes the story is true from jump street.
Seriously, I can't be the only one who uses "miracle" in the non-religious sense, i.e. unlikely stuff happening that turns out in one's favour? Well, I guess we can add _A Bug's Life_ to the list of actually good Christian media, then.
I've been a lifelong member of the Mormon church. Just a few days ago I finally start ed having doubts and doing research (since in the church they literally tell you not to look at "anti-Mormon propaganda"). It really scares me seeing that all my life I never really started questioning it until now. Seeing all this logical evidence against the church has really opened my eyes, so much that I might become an atheist haha. The problem is, there is so much in my life that I would have to change. My entire family is in the church, and I am literally attending BYU this next semester. It's daunting, but I'm gonna have to find the courage to just leave everything I've been indoctrinated into behind. I think one reason it is so easy to fall victim to the church's teachings is that some of them are just very hopeful. It's easy to latch onto something that, using logical reasoning, is obviously untrue, when that thing promises you eternal happiness after you die as long as you live exactly to its teachings. Idk I'm kind of ranting at this point, I just really need to get some things straightened up in my life with regards to religion (or the lack thereof).
CyberGamer1539@ I was raised Mormon and left 25 yrs ago. Want some advice? You may feel a compelling urge to “rebound” and fill the vacancy left by Mormonism with some other religion or belief system. Just be aware that you’re doing it. The best thing I could encourage you to do is take the time to learn about fact checking and source methodology. There are reliable methods for determining truth, and there are unreliable methods. A common fallacy is to assume that only stupid people fall for false beliefs. In fact, intelligence has little to do with it. Neither does skepticism. Many people with false beliefs are very smart, and often very critical, thoughtful, and skeptical. The actual problem is that they don’t have a reliable methodology for evaluating claims to discern truth. They use shotty methods like, personal hunches and intuitions, emotions and feelings, using unreliable sources, too much reliance on secondary sources, drawing conclusions from an insufficient data set, etc. You’re going to hear a lot of people making claims about all kinds of different things, and you need to learn how to reliably navigate through factual claims and fiction. The first two questions you should ask anytime anyone tries to convince you about something, is what sources did you rely on for this information, and how did you fact check them and this claim? Then consider things like what evidence do the experts on the subject cite for or against the claim, and what evidence do the opposition site against it? Learn about the scientific method. It is demonstrably the most reliable methodology for weeding out false info we have ever invented. It even has safeguards built in to help identify, minimize, and fix errors. Unfortunately nothing is perfect, but it’s a great tool. Too often we find ourselves believing things without sufficient evidence, or without even doing any decent fact checking first. Atheism isn’t anything more than a single answer to a simple question: Are you convinced enough to believe that a god/gods exist? If your answer is anything other than Yes, then you are an atheist. Many of us are open to the idea, but have yet to be convinced with sufficiently compelling evidence to believe the claim. I find this is a good way to approach any claim you may encounter. Cheers, I hope this helps you as much as it would have helped me when I first started questioning my faith.
These replies are so wholesome. A RUclips channel I have to recommend you is “TheraminTrees”, it has helped me a lot in the process of leaving behind Christianity, in which I too was a lifelong member. My favourite quote of his is “People who don’t want you to think are never your friend.” I hold that close to my heart. Best of luck.
i know how this feels, and i'm currently going through it to a lesser extent as an ex-christian. i was actually christian a few months ago but then i realized it was fear-factored. undeniable proof has never existed in recent history. that's the reason why blasphemy can not be achieved again. god won't show proof because he was pushed away by humanity, but if you're an all powerful god humans shouldn't be a problem, right? just my thoughts just in case you decide to convert to another form or christianity as catholicism.
Hey, how are you doing now? I went through the same thing as a member of the IFB church. I was born into it and was not allowed to to interact with the outside world. When I started having doubts and doing research in secret, it was super scary, but eventually things got better. Are you still in the church?
Seriously, I was a little annoyed with it at first, but then I realized it actually helps me focus on what he’s saying. I never would have thought to do this. Pure genius!
The blinking in her eyes is indicative of struggling with her own beliefs. It's a telltale sign of deception in this case self deception. Cults always have convoluted stories, it's a kind of gaslighting
I used to believe in body language, but its research is pseudoscience. Please check out The Behavior Panel. Four arrogant white guys with no bias (they are “Switzerland”) who are self-proclaimed international experts, only they always prove that all conservatives are innocent and all liberals are guilty. They recently “proved” that Hunter Biden is guilty of serious crimes due to his alleged laptop.
@@nomiddlenamenmn427 Body language is a thing. You can know a lot of how a person feels just looking at he/she. Of course, self-proclaimed fake experts will pop on every discipline. And of course body language reading has its limits. You definitely can't tell if a person is guilty of a crime by body language. Whoever claims to be able to do that is a fraud.
@@nomiddlenamenmn427 yeah idk what you're talking about. That's only 4 fake experts that don't know what they're talking about. Like another comment said. Body language has its limits and there are people who can lie very well but most people give tell tell signs when they lie. You think the CIA and FBI would spend millions of dollars researching pseudoscience that they use in the field? Don't base your belief on any 4 people. Do some more research.
Or maybe she's blinking because she's a human being who... blinks. People who pretend they can tell everything about a person through body language like real life is an episode of House M.D. are ridiculous
She knew going into this that SP was going to 'make fun of Mormons', but she def didn't expect something that hits SO CLOSE TO HOME and makes solid points as well. I love that by the end, she can't hold up that fake smile any longer - she almost looks shaken by it all, lol.
@@henkaistudio I don't know if she's a 'fake nice person', but you can certainly tell that she's struggling to maintain that 'positive' and 'unaffected' energy by the end of the video 😂
I prayed to God all day, asking if He would tell me if the Book of Mormon was true. After hours of prayer, I finally got an answer from the Almighty Himself. He said onto me... *"Bruh..."*
@@camwright1443 are you saying shes dumb for serving when she knows its fake, or are you saying nobody would go on a mission if they know its fake so she obviously believes what she's saying because the correct answer is the latter
Iglix Says the atheist in the SECULAR free world. I get your point, but it’s not all religions that call for thoughtcrime like islam with its apostasy laws; or Jehovah witnesses with their cult traditions. Every faith is deserving of scrutiny and ultimately truth will prevail in the end, but please take your shitty claim and be gone.
@@chadingram6390 Oh, you again. I think he means that philosophy can come to conclusive proofs, as can religion. Get your socrates plato aristotle and aquinas on.
I don't think I can continue watching this after the first guy basically said "An angel said you can't see the plates so I don't have to show you." and she says "That's true." and nods hear like that was a reasonable explanation.
She had no problem with the accuracy (except for the missing pages) then spins around and says its not the real story at the end It's truly depressing just how lost in the sauce these people are
Her: "Yeah people were trying to steal them so that's why he didn't show them to anyone." Joseph Smith: *Tells literally everyone he comes across that he has solid golden plates* What, criminals weren't smart enough back then to go to his house?
Joesph smith didnt go around telling people about the golden plates, he tried telling people about his vision of god and jesus. Also people did presue the golden plates. Joseph was ambushed in the woods after he had obtained the plates, he had to continualy switch where he hid them and after afew months joseph had to move and finish the translation somewhere else because of all the persecution and break ins. Because i hate it when people say things and dont back it up here is exactly where you can read about it: Saints the standard of truth volume 1, the Joseph Smith Papers, and alittle bit in the Doctrine and Covanents. You can also vist the churches website for further inquirys or questions.
I’m not a Mormon but Telltale left out quite a bit: Joseph Smith was forbidden from showing the plates to ANYONE by God (the witnesses felt it through a cloth) but he was still told to spread the news. Basically God wanted to weed out the good from bad saying that anyone who just believed Joseph Smith were pure of heart and trusting and whatnot. Telltale didn’t do his research or *conveniently* left some important stuff out
@@whizzerbrown1349 you know the fairy tale: "emperors new clothes"? Sounds just like that. ("You can only see the clothes if you are pure at heart and intelligent enough etc". But, spoiler alert: There were NO clothes... lol).
Pascal Maybe the following info is something that will refresh you imagination? ;) Tardegardes or waterbears are a class of microscopic animals. In 2007 scientists discovered that these microscopic critters can survive an extended stay in the cold, irradiated vacuum of outer space. www.popularmechanics.com/space/a11137/tardigrades-water-bears/
@Sam Armstrong hahaha nono! Tardegrades are tiny but not aliens. If anything, this scientific discovery gives more credit to (for instance) panspermia and will give any scientific mind enough to imagin about.
I've been a atheist for around two years now, but I was an active, card-carrying Mormon. I always felt in the back of my mind that something was wrong, but it took 40 years to admit it to myself. I researched other religions and came to the realization it's all malarkey. My wife is still a member. I came out to my wife, it was a bit of a shitstorm, crying and all. I explained my feelings and reasoning and she accepted it. We're still together and getting along well. Member/non-member or active/inactive relationships aren't that uncommon.
@@ElBandito yeah some use religion to get good benefits. Like how polygamy is ok in one religion and some are not. It's all good until someone says "no, we're the superior, true religion, yours are fake"
This is exactly why every ex-Mormon goes on to hate the church and try’s so hard to prove its wrong because in order to fill the gap leftover they have to find something that is “true”
@@ElBandito what about the stuff the mainstream historians reject? Such as mass grave with brozen chest pieces? They reject this kind of stuff cause it doesnt make sense to the current theory.
@@Faint366 as did I. If you look for anti- church "research", you'll always find it. I'd encourage you to pray and study as you know you should. Men will lie to their graves. God won't.
@@mistaboombastic8166 that's why I believe in what I do. because humankind lies and is greedy and proud I believe in a god that is omnipotent but does not represent what we think.
Man it's actually insane how much influence the Mormon cult has on her, she literally can't see through the most straight forward form of the story, South Park makes fun of a ton of stuff, but they didn't even put their own spin on this, they literally just told the story the Mormons came up with and she's just like "oh well that's not *EXACTLY* what happened" But then again she doesn't seem like the brightest tool in the shed to begin with but that seems to be how most people in cults are.
I glanced the channel and it definitely looks like her RUclips channel was directed by the Christian club at our college with a modern twist. She has modest clothing try on hauls instead clothing try on hauls. When I went to a beach meet up with the Christian club at college and the group told me to put my shirt back on because of the families on the beach (mind you I’m a 20 year old male with runner bod at the time). Before that point I never really heard of people keeping all their clothing on to go to the beach.
The church of Jesus christ of later day saints or more known as the mormon Church is not a cult , it is a religeon and deserves respect , it can really hurt someone's feelings by saying this
Well by that metric anyone who believes in any religion at all is nonsensical. But I think if you were to to really compare and contrast the Book of Mormon with the Bible you'd realize that it's really a lot more palatable (for lack of a better word).
@@lokensicarius9347 There are so many versions over thousands of years that some books are... Very old and in different languages over time. Look up Digital Hammurabi here in RUclips for more, 'cus I'm not the academic spealist in that. I mean the Bible, the "first version" of God's word... In Judaism and Christianity...
I would argue it's much more prominent now than ever before. The abundance of satire and irony can be confusing we never really experienced it on this scale before.
@@anthonynorman7545 No, like literally eat someone's ass. They're referencing that Alex Jones said he was prepared to feed his neighbor to his children.
I used to be Mormon. Grew up in the church, was a boy scout, got married in the temple, served in a bishopric etc. I was fully indoctrinated and in my mind there was no way ever in all of eternity the church couldn't be true and I'd have my testimony forever. I had a full, perfect, and strong testimony. I read the CES letter and in that one single night my entire world changed. It's 100% about information control, and with the internet people are leaving the church in droves. I've seen family after family in my own local area lose faith. The church is a sham, and once you learn a few basic TRUE things about Joseph Smith and the early church, things the LDS church tries so hard to hide, the entire legitimacy of the Church crumbles. I know very few people who've read the CES letter and then remain members of the church. It took me an entire YEAR after I read it to finally admit it to myself and I was desperately trying to cling to faith and pray in the temple but inside I knew the truth. Faith is believing in something without evidence. Believing in something DESPITE mountains of evidence to the contrary? That's lunacy.
This is what I dont get. If you died being a mormon, do you believe as of right now you would've missed out on something so grand? Have you ever got depressed, upset, angry, annoyed etc. ever since leaving it? If atheists and theists have anything in common, it's that they both believe the grass is greener on their side, when in reality, they're both just humans who feel the same things, experience the same things, have the same good people who do good things and have the same fucked up people who do fucked up things. Thinking you're better than someone else because of what you believe in/dont believe in, just goes to show you possess no other redeeming traits. With this kind of mindset, not only would religion not exist, but science itself would not have evolved to the point it has today. I can guarantee you there are videos as of today on youtube that are slandering a theory as being so irrational and illogical, that it should never be spoken of, let alone further explored, And that very theory some day in the distant future will turn out to be true when we know more about the world. It's happened before and it will happen again. Happy for you if you believe you changed your life for the better. But others going through the same 'enlightening' experience may not process it the same way. If this leads them down a worse pathway in life, was it really worth joining the other side?
And to think Smith was jailed and killed because he burned down the star printing press that exposed his polygamy. Makes ya wonder how bad the church wishes they could destroy the internet hence they ask people to "fast from.it" prior to their biyearly pretend to be a church and not a corporation conference.
fwiw - I never try to directly challenge a belief, (granted I am not always successful - but I try). Rather I only want to ask questions to stimulate _some_ introspection. You never know when someday enough of these little questions lead to actual critical thought. But you are 100% right, most people don't wake up from a cult in less than 5 minutes of good argument, refuting their apologetics. Usually it is a culmination of various things over time.
I’m religious, and I am a Christian (not Mormon) but I kinda like when my beliefs are challenged. It gives me a chance to reflect on my beliefs and determine why I believe what I believe. I like being forced into that introspection. And I feel like by being able to have my beliefs challenged, and be able to sincerely listen, process and understand the argument that someone is making against, and I can come up with a sound rebuttal, I feel like it makes my beliefs stronger. However, I think it is incredibly unhealthy to be like, “I will never change my beliefs, so don’t even bother to try and argue me because I’m right and you’re wrong.” If you’re not even willing to have that conversation, it shows you don’t know why you believe what you believe, other than that you’ve been told to believe them.
*plot twist:* joseph smith ate moldy rye bread, got ergot poisoning, tripped balls, and without knowing he was high, basically submitting a trip report that was turned into a cult.
Not even close. He was a convicted con and ended his life on the lamb . He would have people pay him to find treasure on their property (with his magic seer stones, I think) and then come up with some excuse (spirits got mad and moved them) why they needed to pay an extra day for him to search. And he’d keep it up until they caught on. He also would threaten girls or their parents with hell or god’s wrath of they didn’t agree to be one of his wives. There’s more, but he was a crook from the start and knew exactly what he was doing.
So her version is God tells Smith to translate this plate. This is very important. Translating this plate will show you important revelations. Definitely do it. Wait on second thought don't bother with that plate. Do the abbreviated version. That's.... not better.
@@lizd2943 I thought Martin Harris lost the plates. Because people wanted to see the plates to believe it. It would make sense that they made a big deal about losing it because they hadnt yet translated those ones yet so nobody could know what they said. That's what I thought.
WTF! She just described her religion n compared it with South park. What's wrong with that. Didnt u guys learned nothing from that episode. If they are not harming anyone n they r happy. Why u judge them for there beliefs. They r better person that u r seems like it.
I hope everyone watching realizes.. this is how ALL religions sound to people who don't believe in them, or were not indoctrinated from childhood. They say weird nonsense... and then support it by quoting from their particular book as proof.
Shane..here is the only difference. The Holy Bible can be backed up with other non-religious historical texts and artifacts. Do some research and you will see its true. Every person that REALLY digs into the life and story of Jesus Christ ends up a Christian. This includes devout atheists and some very intelligent people.
@@animeworld5847 Look into Lee Strobel who described himself as an atheist married to am agnostic. He did scientific based non-biblical research to prove that Christ did exist and actually did the miracles described in the Bible. I am naturally highly skeptical of any authority and followed Lee's trail to a similar conclusion. Good Luck on this journey if you decide to undertake it.
At 8:07 it looks like she genuinely had a microsecond of self reflection before laughing it off then going back to the thought before just ignoring it and smirking.
@@indypj7443 their false god basically Nelly couldn't do it but basically shows the direct opposite it's just I'm trying to make up stuff with a fault demonic belief that's what Joe s*** the luciferian did and he's exposed a faker my old been proven to be complete so many times after and before him and yet he wants to make up something falls out of nowhere with nothing he's just so flat wrong this is not up for debate ever he's a faker it was fake from the very beginning back in the early 1800s 1830 or so we made it all up
Yeah, he's like "nevermind the old testament, there's a new testament now!" Then later he's like "nevermind those two testaments, here's the right version!"
@@rockysandman5489 then theyll say "no no no heres another another text now" and then later "no no no heres another nother nother nother new text". Morons are liciferian cult exposed they all need to be saved from this Evil.
@@justhellbound4206 because the doctrine draws people in with kindness but the doctrine actually hides very discriminatory beliefs. Especially towards women. I don't want to see her, or anyone else, get hurt
@@jaebird3077 from what I've experienced growing up Mormon, they're very kind people. I'm sure there are bad ones, just like with any other religion. But I know that they love to help people in need and stuff. In this world where so many horrible things going on, how can you blame them for believing in something that actually makes them happy?
When I went to church everybody told me that when I met my husband I would just know. He went to church every Sunday and so did his whole family. We didn't date very long until we got married, about six months. He was the most evil awful abusive narcissistic person I ever met my life. I had gone to Bible studies for years about how to be a great Christian wife and how to be a good Christian woman and I felt like I was very close to God and I went on a Feeling. That is where I went wrong. I never go on feelings anymore. I went to a Church of God from the age of 18 to the age of 34. I never had such anxiety in my life. I left the church two years ago and I have felt better than ever and I go by proof and facts when it comes to decision-making in my life. I feel like an idiot when I think back on decisions I made throughout my life. To be swayed so easily just makes you feel so dumb. I was blind but now I actually see.
I have or had a very dear friend who got caught up in first The Worldwide Church Of God and I think there was some sort of schism and now he’s in The Living Church Of God. He’s a mess of contradiction and hypocrisy. He won’t speak to me anymore. He was one of the most talented musicians and songwriters I’ve ever known and he just gave it all up because after he had a “vision” (brought on by drugs) he said it was all satanic and he just buried himself in the church. It’s very sad. I’m happy you got free
About a year ago, I got no apology but we get along now for our daughter. But I'll make sure she doesnt do what I did. Thank you for your likes and kind comments.
Also... the 3 and 8 witnesses, she refers to, saw the gold plates “with their spiritual eyes” they never actually saw the plates. In addition, many of those “witnesses” signed similar declarations for other “new found” scriptures for other people starting new religions...
I know this has little to nothing to do with the video but I'd just like to say I'm really enjoying watching the drawings as you speak can you please add more 😂
@@pscoolguy It's kinda true... All arguments in favor of religion come some sort of logical flaw in one form or another, on a crucial detail which makes the entire argument or concept in question seem patently absurd.
Let's not fool ourselves. It's only the Christian denominations that do that. Other religions don't seem to be obssesed with getting new members through deceit.
initially it was probably because mormonism and jehovah's witnesses were the 2 fastest growing groups at the time. When it came out. I'm not sure which was growing faster but years later I know it was the Jdubs.
She even explains it poorly by Mormon standards, and fudges a lot of the realities their church has been forced to admit to over the years. Guess the youth indoctrination and white washing of history program is still going strong.
I genuinely feel sorry for that girl. She really seems sweet and nieve and has been indoctrinated. It's not her fault she was probably born into it and has her life, friends and family invested into it, so if she chose another path would most likely loose everything
I love how she never gets the "Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb dumb" I mean I was 16 years old and not a native English speaker, when I watched this episode for the first time and I burst out laughting and so did my mum, when I showed it to her :D
@@raccoonja5905 You were 16 and not a native English speaker... but you've been speaking English for 15 years... *Does Math* ... You were speaking a language when you were 1 yr. old!?
I love how you actually learn about the church you talking about and directly disprove whatever it is without making massive mistakes like other channels
There is something deeply unsettling about how she laughs off some apparently ridiculous portrayal in South Park and then with a completely straight face says something equally insane
Yeah just like every single religion 🤣😂
Religion keeps your brain from working right
@@kmcd3020 yeah I guess at their core all religions are pretty ridiculous but I have some Christian and Muslim friends who at least try to reason properly, I guess they fail but who knows, It just seems to me that this girl is particularly neurotic but I guess the logical flaws in her thinking are common across all religions. It might just be her crazy eyes lol
@@SlightlyDazed. brainwashed she might find out the truth some day as it's right in front of her
@@kmcd3020 it's sad because it must take a pretty heavy mental toll on someone, expecting a reality which just doesn't exist, I really hope she finds her way to free thinking
"He didn't have to dig around all morning guys, the angel directed him where he should go."
She's really got them there...
Maybe we should all convert now.
I'd convert for her tbh
@@GenerationalDisappointment it wouldn't last. Plus you'd have to marry her...
Best women found strip clubs. She is super dense and dumb makes her marriage material. Honey god in dream said I should go on trip with boys only. Ok
@@GenerationalDisappointment Frankly, I enjoy caffeine too much to convert.
She's got yeah and story says joe ran through fields with gold plates and dodged couple rascals tried take it away. U huuuh then what I can I see them no god says you can't just use your third eye and believe. Uhuuh.
Mormonism: the religion of “dude, trust me”
It would seem that all politics and politicians are "dude trust me"
sounds like every religion ever
Sounds like those who sold sub prime mortgages, car salesmen, loan sharks, wall street, cosmetic surgeons 'dude trust me'
@@saintnash1 Yeah, except this one is like that one friend who always lies to you about their struggles and constantly asks if they can live with you, and they always say "Dude, trust me. I'll repay you" but of course, they never do.
Isn't that all religion though?
I love when she said “ C’mon guys, he didn’t dig around all morning…” Yeah, we’re all being ridiculous
Then how did Joseph Smith find the golden plates? Did he have a golden plate detector?
@@louistournas120 I mean, why have a magic rock if you're not going to use it to hunt for treasure?
@@louistournas120 you say that like there's golden plates sitting in a museum somewhere if you were told when you were a child/deeply mentally unstable that Jesus rode a trex and listened to rock music you'd believe it
@@DeShawnMcDonald Of course I would believe it and I was a christian. Eventually, my bs detector developed.
It’s always the same story: Some aliens came in a space ship and they build those rock things or some alien came down from the clouds but it was one of the smaller aliens, you know, the aliens with bird wings while the big daddy alien sits in the clouds. Then, the big daddy alien decided to impregnate a jeemoo woman. Virgin this and that.
You will name him Emmanuel.
2000 y and people still believe that stuff? Well, at least it is slowly going away.
And then someone asks me, what do I think will happen when I die? Will I just disappear into nothingness?
Hmmm. I don’t spend billions of dollars on churches and demand people to obey my rules or else. Before you spend that amount of money and time and force people into obedience, you better make damn sure that the evidence is rock solid.
How about asking the important questions first. Is the truth important to you? Is finding out what the truth is important to you? How do you go about finding out what is true and what is false? What is evidence?
@@louistournas120 He didn't. He made it up.
I love how the South Park episode shows the story of the mormons without exaggeration to show how absurd it is
THIS IS WHAT MORMONS ACTUALLY BELIEVE
@@spadinnerxylaphone2622 Joseph Smith, He had a Vision Dumb Dumb Dumb dumb
I like how people join the lds from south park episodes and book of mormon musical peeking their curiosity.
Thats the point.... no need for exageration
Dumb dumb dumb dumb da da dumb
"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled" - Mark Twain
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth
Yep. The dumb ones never think they are. Dunning-Krueger Effect at its finest
@@dx.feelgood5825 lolol yep
@@dx.feelgood5825 Exactly! One of my personal favorites...someone told me WITH CONVICTION that they were "half as smart as the smartest mf'er I'd EVER meet!" Yeah, just let that ignorance soak in. Lol They fully thought they'd told me some shit! 😂 It amazes me that some people can even make it through the day. 🤦
@@staciehenderson6982 Lord help us all..
I think the dumbest is the "curse of intelligence" morons drone on about lmao. The only curse of intelligence is either: things in class feel like they move too slow and it's boring, or your brain just goes on too fast for anyone else to pick up. That's also ADHD too though so eh
Even when the chorus sang "smart smart smart" she still didn't get it.
She laughed, so maybe she finally got it, but what an idiot.
It's beacause she is "dumb dumb dumb"
I think she got it but ignored it anyway.
@@miguelthealpaca8971 Yup.
Yea, I think she got it at that point from the look on her face and that she stopped laughing at them singing “dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb”... what an idiot. I hope she grows out of this...
Knew a woman who'd been married to a Mormon, when I asked her about it, she told me to watch the South Park episode on Mormonism for education, so I did
The witnesses DID NOT see the plates. They "felt" them through a cloth and "saw" them with their spiritual eyes.
Even better. How can you get more infallible than that xD
Really? Dude this would've been a perfect south park joke. It doesn't even need to be changes much. It's funny af as it is.
Makes it even more believable.
Look. Look with your special eyes. 👀
Oh dear God, that's actually worse than if the testimonies were just straight up fake. YIKES.
She's the perfect target to join someone's MLM downline. Oh I mean someone's "Amazing Opportunity"
whats a mlm
@@hyper847 Google “multi level marketing”
@@hyper847 like pyramid scheme but it kinda of legal
@@hyper847 men loving men :)
You are your own boss!!! .....wait but why do I join YOUR "team"?
"Lucy Harris smart smart smart, Martain Harris dumb"
*Smiles with blissful ignorance*
It kinda looked like her brain fired off a thought that she couldn´t catch....like; "Hm....wait....what was that....did he say....aaaaaw cartoooon"
i guess that just from the way she's looking at it she got the joke, but didnt want to react to it
I actually don't think that she was smiling out of blissful ignorance. I don't think many ppl who were never raised by super religious ppl get it. Even in your mind when you know something doesn't make sense you can't say that out loud especially publically cause your family and everybody around you is watching you. It's a social fear of being rejected by everyone. I was raised in a super religious christain enviroment. I lost my belief long ago but because everybody around me still believes this shit I have to pretend I do too just for the sake of peace. I can assure you she probably has a crisis of faith going on in her head right now. Common sense and religious brain washing battling with each other.
South Park really nailed🎵😂😂 it dum dum dum dum 🎵
Every time she condescendingly giggles after "correcting" something I nearly die of cringe.
Reminds me of "girl defined", and their constantly frowning brows. Like, guilty Golden retriever that chew your sandals level of frowning brows.
Also a bit of pity that she's so blind. 🫤
you know when you have a friend who is gaslighting you, and you believe them, but then you quote them to another friend and it suddenly feels like you are lying, because nothing makes sense?
Sorry I don't know why your comment triggered such an emotional response 😅😅😅 I have a lot of trauma from my religious childhood past.
Wow this is wild, I know EXACTLY that feeling lol!!!! You hit the nail on the head. I hope some people encounter that when they first start to get into a religion and then they’re expected to convert others….. suddenly it’ll click that they’re doing something bonkers 😅
@@maddieb.4282 the same thing as sales.
Lisa you nailed it!
@@terryvincent8405 thanks.
The "Witnesses" all testified later that they saw the Plates with their "Spiritual Eyes", not their literal eyes.
Where is this testimony?
A fancy way of saying they lied.
Is that your third eye? Or the one eyes trouser snake?
If it’s all made up then why didn’t witnesses who left the church and didn’t support Joseph smith in his later life deny the existence of the plates entirely? Group hallucination isn’t scientifically accurate and if they all made a plot to create the church and fabricate everything then why didn’t those who stopped supporting Joseph later in life expose the church? You can try to deny and explain this in many ways but none of them are as likely as it simply being true.
Well, I just imagined the plates before me, anyone can, just close your eyes and imagine golden plates, that's it
I actually saw golden plates because I used my imagination, I could write an entire FICTIONAL book series about the golden plates I IMAGINED.
Edit, ... SARCASM
It turns out the "witnesses" never actually physically saw the plates as the church used to teach. With new uncovered historical documents from the "witnesses" they admit they saw the plates only with their "spiritual eyes" aka faith. Now that's how the church teaches about these "witnesses" and had to change the newest editions of the Book of Mormon.
This is how Joseph Smith supposedly saw God and Jesus Christ with his spiritual eyes.
How recently were the documents discovered?
@@Xrayflames Damn that is recent. I just checked the BoM I got in seminary (and still have for some reason) and it was printed in 2004, so that explains why I'm not very familiar with this. Thanks for the info
From "The Testimony of Eight Witnesses" (which is printed in every copy of The BOM - "..we did handle with our own hands; ..." "And this we bear record with words of soberness....for we have seen and hefted, and know of a surety that the said Smith has got the plates of which we have spoken..."
@@IIZCHAOS Name one who recanted his testimony. I'll wait.
Her realization of the dum dum dum was so painful, I died laughing. Poor girl
Did she realize it though?
@@sharpandloud3422 I'd like to believe she did
I love how she acts like it’s obvious rather than ridiculous
She doesn’t read the scripture in the Bible that states “No one can add or remove from God’s written word.”
@@BadEconomyOfficial expect there's no such thing as gods written word because it's entirely man made lol
@@ACT1ON_JACKSON There’s only 1 God man, what you want to believe, that’s fine but you don’t have to go around being Anti Thiest
@@BadEconomyOfficial It’s laughable how you had absolutely no problem replying to the original comment that calls her beliefs ridiculous but when @Viktor Vaughn commented there are no gods you get defensive and claim that your god is the one true god. As you stated, believe what you want to believe but don't act like your beliefs aren't just as ridiculous as hers.
@@Watcharrahs Lame response, it would be different if he started his statement with “I think” rather than saying “there are no”
Trying to follow her mental gymnastics literally gave me a head ache.
Her: Wrong! Angles guided him
Us: oohhhhhh ok
She is kinda cute though. I would give her one.
Sorry... Those earrings... at least I think those were earrings, distracted me too much to even listen to her cultwashing, let alone dispute it
8:20 you can tell she starts panicking right after the wife sets up her test, and then the behavior control kicks in and her face freezes in that last little smile... poor thing, I really hope she gets out
The way her eyes flicker and her grin drops is almost chilling tbh
I can feel her cognitive dissonance through the screen. When you get out, sister, I’ll be here for you, cuz leaving is fucking hard. Idk. Her eyes are glazed over and everything.
Spot on. I was looking for this comment.
She looks like shes used to being held at gun point
That's the genetic bottlenecking that happens. Side effects is eye glazing. Genetic bottlenecking...y'all know what that is lol
@@erikm8372 what's bottlenecking?
As someone finally starting to come out of Mormonism, the cognitive dissonance really does hit hard, like I almost found myself agreeing with what she said before I realized what I was saying
As an ex-Mormon, I’m so glad South Park made this episode. I was never given a choice to be a mormon, I was born into it. And when I started questioning my beliefs as a teenager, wooh boy my parents were not happy. It doesn’t help that my dads a narcissistic abusive asshole. He’d literally drag me out of my room by my hair or arms (hard enough to bruise my arms for a few weeks and to rip hair out of my head) and force me into the car so we could go to church. Eventually I learned it was easier to just go along with them and rebel in little ways. I’d stopped taking sacrament, stopped going to young women’s, stopped reading the Bible and Book of Mormon every night, stopped going to seminary, stopped participating in weekly youth activities. Being a Mormon is hell. Being an ex-mormon is hell because you never really leave the church. Sure you can leave (sending a letter and everything) but once in a while they’ll have missionaries track you down because they feel you’ve been “misguided”. So people, if you’re wanting to become a Mormon please think about it. Because once you’re in, you don’t really leave. It’s an all or nothing type deal, and essentially you live and breath Mormon everyday.
To this day I still have insecurities about clothes and premarital sex because of how the church essentially brushed (synonym of the g word guys) young women. I hope to never attend another church session.
Cope you are just weak your dad was correct and you are a disappointment to all of your ancestors
Wow thats brutal, stay strong.
@@TheShaddy15 🤓
@Bingo Zonk
"Stop it, get some help"
- Michael Jordan
@@TheShaddy15 you’re stuck in 2012
The way she speaks it sounds like she is trying to convince herself more than the viewer.
Cody Hutchison
there is an air of arrogance in mormonism that is putrud to the core.
they believe everyone else is stupid and deceived but they have been found to be worthy to know the truth.
they operate in a better, smarter, and more godly than you mindset.
I have interacted with mormons for the most part of my life and they are anything but humble.
if you watch ANY interview/debate with mormons you will see this arrogant spirit in operation by what they say, how they say it, and their body language.
I have seen LDS it's like a entity of evil has taken over there mind. Only thing she is missing is green vomit and her head to start spinning.
Facts
@@protruth1 same as evans
I know quite a few Mormons, and a couple of my family members are Mormon. I think calling Mormons arrogant about their religion is a little sweeping. Just like in many religions there are different levels to practitioners beliefs. Everywhere from casual to someone who makes the religion their life style. I will agree with you though that the people that make Mormonism their life style tend to be arrogant about their belief, and their's a reason.
Mormon's pride themselves on strengthening their own resolve, so they welcome people to challenge their own beliefs. If you go on your mission, you end out reading only the book of Mormon for somewhere around two years. You're not allowed to go on the internet, watch TV, or read other books. Obviously, people break those rules, but at the very least they spend 2 hours every morning reading and discussing the book of Mormon. They then fill their day with convincing other people to become Mormon, and congregating with people who are already Mormon. By the time you go through the entire ordeal, you feel pretty above everybody else that doesn't think like you.
I love throughout the video when she nods her head, smiles and says "That's true" while watching scenes that are clearly poking fun at how rediculous it all is. Is her sarcasm detector broken?
She has FAITH 🙏😇
@@nedson6503 Francis crick a hardcore athiest, Co discovered the DNA molecule. He wrote a book, called the astonishing hypothesis. Heres what he said.
"Is that you, your Joys your sorrows your memories your ambitions your personal identity and your free will are in fact no more than the behavior of a vast network of nerve cells and molecular molecules. In other words your a molecular machine. You may think you have free will but you really don't. You may think you're conscious but that's just an illusion. Because you are completely governed by the laws of physics. Every thought you have is a result of previous natural cause over which you have no control."
Now either you are governed by the laws of physics which control everything that you do everything that happens to you everything that will ever happen including your thought processes of your mind or there is a Creator behind the laws of physics that govern those laws because no scientist has been able to prove what governs the laws of physics and why they act the way that they act. Its either true God exists or he doesnt. Both cannot be true. If its not true then your a slave to the laws of physics and the natural world. Something that is true for a person is true for all people in all places at all times. There are no relative truths. Can everything be proven by science? Is that a scientific proof? No! You cant go in the laboratory and prove that scientifically that everything can be Proven by science. Thats a philosophical claim.
You act like you don't have any burden of proof when we have plenty of evidence that we give inside and outside the Bible but you offer nothing.
You say you just lack a belief in God. That's not the definition of atheism. An atheist is someone who thinks that the evidence shows that there is no God. And I've noticed an atheist don't just lack a belief in God they come up with all sorts of explanations to explain why the universe is the way that it is they'll say it's quantum theory they'll say it's evolution they'll say there are multiple universes they'll say that materialism is true. They dont lack a belief in any of those things. They have positive belief that those things are true so why don't you tell me out of those things or whatever it is you believe what evidence do you have to support why you believe what you believe why don't you try to convince me that your form of atheism is true and why it's true and how you know it's true?
You see he who was a skeptic in one sense that being Christianity is a True Believer in another set of beliefs. Materialism. I don't alone have a burden of proof. So why aren't you skeptical of skepticism? If you're skeptical of the Christianity and you're skeptical of all other religions why don't you try being skeptical of skepticism of those things?
What really better explains existence and why were here and why the universe is the way it is? God and the Bible or science? Man who says they think they know what happened 4.25 billion years ago or the Bible which tells us what happened two thousand years ago?
@@dakotawright2811 This is a horribly repeated trope of religious people that claim to know an atheists opinions to make it seem like they are taking everything on faith. What science allows us to do through the SCIENTIFIC METHOD, is to create TESTABLE hypotheses of how the universe works and then get independent people to verify those theories. Other scientists then try to disprove these theories, and if no one can, then the credibility of these theories is considered very high, but at any time in the future the theories can be proven to be INCOMPLETE. Incomplete doesn't mean the original hypothesis is totally wrong, it usually means that more evidence is found where a theory might account for a certain amount of visible phenomena, but unable to work for another set of phenomena (look at Newtonian physics being updated with special and general relativity)
Now compare this to religion where you have to take EVERYTHING on faith, with no evidence (and sorry a book is not evidence). What a lot of atheists believe is not that there is definitely not a God, but in fact, the people that claim there IS a God have the burden of proof and have thus far shown no evidence. Going further, not only is there no evidence, but saying "God did it" is creating UNTESTABLE hypotheses and therefore trying to just end the conversation before it starts. Atheists/science doesn't claim there is NO God... it just doesn't claim there is bc a) there's no evidence of one, b) its untestable meaning there's no point in even entertaining the idea, c) there are better theories that MAY explain the laws of physics and the universe in things like multiverse or string theory, and people are working on ways to try and test these ideas out, as well as ways to disprove the models in an attempt to make them more accurate to the world we live in
@@justinbarker4813 they're literally mountains of evidence and thousands of books written that have evidence in them of Jesus Christ and his resurrection written outside the Bible by Jewish Roman Greek Egyptian and several other historians who were either eyewitness accounts or who interviewed eyewitness accounts or people who talk to eyewitnesses. Have you ever read any apologetics book? And even if science could explain how the laws of physics work you still couldn't tell me why they work that way and how they exist in the first place. You lack of belief in God but you believe in other things you also have the burden of proof to prove that you believe in those things for a reason and that they are correct and that they are the reason the universe exists and runs so finely tuned and so perfectly. And as one of the top atheist in the world pointed out in my comment if God doesn't exist then you're really just a molecular robot with no hope and no reason to exist. Youd also have to prove your standard of morality and where it comes from. We all know the evil exists but evil cant exist without good because evil is the absence of good so we know the good exist so what do you determine to be good? Why is there something instead of nothing? We know gravity exist but we can't see it and we can't feel it and we Cant put it in a test tube and study it but we know it works...but whats making gravity do what it does?
How can you even trust your own thought processes if you did the ball from a lesser life form who came from presumably a pool of goop with the right mix of chemicals and some lightning struck it and boom a living thing out of it arose or something like that because scientists don't really know they just have a handful theories but no matter what if you kept it off and it kept evolving from these lesser life form and you don't have any purpose and you're really just a set of molecules and cells governed by the laws of physics and that means that even the thoughts in your mind are not your own but are the cause of a previous physical event. How can you trust anything? Even your mind or feelings?
You either believe in God or you don't and if you don't believe in God then that means that you have evidence and a belief and faith in something else that shows why we exist and how we exist and what we're doing here contrary to God
Yes, that would be the brainwashing.
There is a Mormon university where people are apparently smart enough to study at degree level while simultaneously believing this nonsense. Its a strange world.
I went to the Idaho one for almost a year, then quit this month after finding the truth... i can get a better education elsewhere now haha.
Same can be said of all kind of faiths including atheism. **shrug** Also, next time you take and ALIVE for pain, thank a "Mormon" and that university for it.
@@BookAndLace so never because it makes me nauseous as hell?
@@BookAndLace Atheism isn't a faith. It's the lack thereof. It's literally in the word. A as in opposition to, theism as in the belief in the concept of gods or a god. Before you say how much "faith" atheism takes, please remember that anything that can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Does it take faith to not believe in the flying spaghetti monster? No, it just takes common sense. Stop projecting.
Also I don't have to thank a Mormon for that as I've literally never taken that in my life. You can however, thank atheists for the computer software and hardware you are using to see and type in this space, be it from Microsoft or Apple.
@@BookAndLace atheism isn't a religion or faith
"Their family is so loving and together!" Trust me bud, that's just what they want you to see. I'm in therapy for issues that largely stem from my 'loving and together' Mormon family. It's a trap.
Is it wrong for me to ask what issues stem from mormon families? I always see lots of smiling faces.
Are the parents very controlling about what emotions the children are allowed to show in public? I see these picture perfect Mormon families but I gotta think there’s always a lot of arguing at home that they’re just not allowed to do in public for their image.
Same with my "loving together"Baptist pastor's family. It's a screen. Behind closed doors, the parents hurt their children with beatings, screaming, and propaganda to enforce belief systems. Religion is cancer.
Grandma Pirate I am an ex mormon. My family covered up abuse, a disfunctional family, etc. We're not the only ones. 5 of my Mormon friends also grew up in dysfunctional families. Instead of resolving the issues my family hid them or thought religion would fix it or blamed us for not being good enough mormons. Lol
@@EmilyRobinsonShotgunEm if you see a family with the really unsettling always smiling and upbeat attitude it's almost always a screen and there's some shit going on in the family.
Generally speaking though, no, the emotions displayed are not forced. It's a very family oriented religion. At worst kids and even entire family units are sheltered and on the naive side.
Edit: ↑ Kitty there is a good example. It really depends on the family. But horribly abusive families are everywhere.
And almost all of the “witnesses” of the book of mormon later “fell away” from the Mormon church and converted to other religions. If they knew it was true, don’t you think they wouldn’t stayed with the religion?
A few did come back. And as far as we have been told, none of the witnesses denied seeing and handling the gold plates. Sometimes knowing something is true and following it is very hard.
@@MichaelOfHerndon Nope, they left . They knew it was fake.
@@melissagreye8445 None of them denied seeing the plates.
There are many reasons why they left the church. And a couple did come back. However, remember this--The Church of Jesus Christ was persecuted by other religions, mobs, and states. The Saints were denied their constitutional rights as citizens of the United States. They were driven out of Missouri and Illinois and basically had to leave the United States. I have a lot of pride for those who remained faithful, like my ancestors, but I also have a lot of understand, and non-judgement, for those who left.
They kinda almost tricked me she seemed super nice and friendly but I realized it’s the cult personality
@Brian Weatherman you'll find LSD churches too if you look around
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@@user-xs1pp9oi5z Nice name
She actually probably is really nice
Yes the church and their billions they don't use to actually help the homeless and their "lay clergy" that actually gets a living allowance that ALSO pays their mortgages or apartments
The fact that the story states that they convinced God by asking him 3 times has to be some form of blasphemy.
When she's talking about all the book of mormon lore it reminds me a lot of when I'm talking about wow lore characters.
Long live Thrall!
THE BOOK OF MMOOOOOOOOOORMON!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@rapperc18 Green Jesus Will Rise!
I was thinking the same thing just about past Dungeons and Dragons campaigns instead of WoW
Same but only The Elders Scroll lore
That blonde girl was a total child explaining to mom and dad how the cookies mom just baked, got up and walked away.
"It's true, I saw them get up and walk away! No I didn't follow them, otherwise how would I have eaten the rest that didn't get up?"
like a 6yo on her 1st day in school looking proud of herself that she remembered how to write her name.
kinda sad realy to see a grown "adult" with that expression.
Brilliant analogy
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...I was that 6yo....but I might possbily have Dyslexia (don't worry I've done some research) so that's probably it because I always mixed my letters up and I have a "d" in my name and I used to always write it as a "b". I never understood that it was the wrong one until a teacher pointed it out and it was a habit that I had to break but I still do it sometimes (rarely)😭
Yeah it's kind of tragic how cults can stunt the development of people's minds. I have a friend who is a young Earth Creationist who is generally very smart, but when challenged on creationism will reason as if he's a 7 year old arguing about whether Optimus Prime really could beat Megazord in a fight.
I lived with a mormon family for about a year.. you wouldnt belive how much time they spend in church.. its absolutely crazy
it was 3 hours for forever but recently got changed to 2 (in 2019 i think) for sundays, if you're 7-18, you go for an hour (about) every wednesday. they have a lot of firesides too, especially for youth (11-18)
also 2 years straight on your mission, which is basically required for men, and strongly encouraged for women.
I'd believe it. Mormon girl I had kinda had a thing with went almost every other day and all day Sunday.
think Ibwouod rather take a dutchboven under sheets from my dog than have anything do with mormons
The bit about some generic "bad people" stealing the original translations and changing them before returning them sounds like something a small child would come up with off the top of their head when they got busted cheating.
"I didn't plagiarize the paper...what happened is someone stole the paper I wrote and then wrote a different one that they had plagiarized and snuck it back into my backpack so I handed it in!"
That's what all religions do
I was laughing so hard when it said “dumb, dumb, dumb” and she was just nodding along 😂
Gotta admit it is a catchy tune
All I could think when I watched it was "Smart smart smart smart smart!" sarcastically. Baffling.
It is literally mind boggling to me that in 2000 whatever, someone couldn't pick up on the fact that people have been making up crazy stories forever, but this one.... no this is the real deal!
If you haven't seen the musical The Book of Mormon, I'd recommend it.
@@Razgriz85 I cant wait for it to come back in town. The cheapest tickets are a pretty good price and because of that, it always gets sold out immediately. :(
Smart smart smart smart smart!
I kinda feel bad for her. She is a very charismatic individual that I feel wants to do good, but she's being brickwalled by her religion.
How is her religion stopping her from doing good?
Believe yourself to know better than her at your own peril.
Mormons do tons of good including donating to charity and tons of service and the religion does no harm
@@camdenmiller7127 and? The individuals are part of a cult like religion, which affects their lives. That was the main point here. They have a nice look from the outside, but they are pretty weird and fake sometimes. I know, this is just from my own experience, so I can't say they are all like this, but it still happens.
Besides, with all they money they got it would be damn obvious that they were not as good if they didn't donate and stuff
@@snow13-63 the bs beliefs are holding her back from expanding her mind
As someone who was raised in the church and later left, it's really interesting to see the psychology of the members from a more unbiased view point. She wants to believe it's true. She's trying to convince herself as much as she is others.
My question for you, why did you stay in Mormonism for the period of time you stayed if you’d live later on? It’s not like anyone forced you to be raised in that church. U couldn’t u have said no any time you want
@@rosneretoile it's not as simple as that bruh
@@rosneretoile Actually you can't. How exactly would you raise yourself when you're 8 years old and parents are mormons and brought you into that religion ? DO you have the option of leaving ? No, you don't.
Sometimes I wish people think before opening their mouths to blab.
@@rosneretoile Now I imagine a 8 yo child flipping his parents off and going places in a suit, all grumpy
@@rosneretoile "its not like anyone forced you". Theres such a think as being born into religion. The first 12 years of my life I spent mormon, however around that age I started thinking for myself and decided to leave of my own will
My Dad is a former Mormon and he says all of the mockery is 100% true and valid. Even better, he finds it absolutely hilarious because of how true it was for him.
Literally some people just can’t take a joke.
I just prayed to god and asked him if it was all true. He said no. That's the end of the matter then.
"Nooooooo, you're not doing it right. If you were doing it right you would hear him say yes"
He told me yes.
I prayed and asked God about Mormonism and LDS. He stated to run and remove your self of this demonic inspired religion. Then I asked about Scientology and said serious do I have to give answer?
You actually have a point. Ricki Gervais says, "if God exists, then why did he make me an atheist?"
Good for you sure. By the way, thanks for proving the existence of God.
As Carl Sagan so famously said: “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”
But, dude…. gold plates! And angel-hair macaroni!
Yes and stupid claims require stupid evidence!
This only applies to the scientific method and the God question is in a field of study that doesn't use the scientific method.
@@infanos3720 Oh, how fuckin’ convenient.
@@davidlanger3295 yes, if the normal structure of Logic and filosofy fell convinient then you might just be uniformed.
Ive always wondered how small the font was on those gold tablets, because the book of mormon is pretty big
Yeah each reformed egyptian hieroglyphic must have encoded several paragraphs :). Even then those plates must have been really really big and heavy. Funny how they just disappeared like that, and required quite a bit of cajoling to become visible in the first place.
@@travis1240 maybe the gold plates were really bitcoin plates?
Nah. The words magically appeared while he was looking in a hat at them. No font size required.
The golden plates are 9x11 and a few hundred of them. lol
I really wonder how something that big and hefty and metal could have really disappeared though. Well the angel took it so yeah.
I lost it when she said "ask God yourself if the story is true" ok well I prayed, he said it was wrong, now what? 🤣
That’s what I always tell them. “I prayed about it and the Holy Spirit told me that Mormonism is false. I know this because I have a burning in my bosom and know it with every fiber of my being.”
"Pray to god and ask if its true!" ...so i prayed and god said its .... *dumb dumb dumb!* hahaha.
Yeah. I know. But God will tell you anything you want to hear.............(but so does the Devil.) And no way to tell them apart.
@@robinfriess1661 morons are over proved devil liars bible wise and outside wise jesus the one true one jesus is cursing them too and im not christian and i know this when i was one a christian.
@@yaruqadishi8326 ......o---kaaay...
@@robinfriess1661 actually, it's only the devil that will do that. God tells only the truth, he doesn't lie.
@@thegoliath9310 Of course you realize that everything we've ever heard about God and the Devil is pure hearsay. You DO know that, don't you?
Shes creepily agreeing to this.
“So you’re eating a shit sandwich?”
Her: “yeah, but its on whole wheat bread, so its legit” *beautiful smile*
Comrade Corbs I really like this analogy, it works really well with a lot of cults and religions (including my old one)
She is describing her religion here n comparing with South park. I'm 100% sure u also believe in a religion of urs. What makes Ur one right n her one wrong. Who give u the power to judge other people belief. U guys learned nothing from South Park episode. Be humble, don't attack other people belif, if they r good with each other so can u.
U guys r hypocrite
GamE FrEak I’m an atheist, thank you
@Claudia Solomon
I made the same mistake with that comment of mine. I tried to teach our fellow athiest that come out strong n show religious stupid ways n how fake all of it sounds to a religious person do not support our cause. It's hurting us. We Athiest now look down as angry, doubtful, skeptical, full of hatred. Look at all the Athiest movement channel on RUclips. They r dying. Because they come too strong m hard when they debate with Religion. Some creationist deserved to be make fun off. Those TV Evengelist like Kenham n others must be destroyed. But when normal people like us ask to those channel over phone n some maybe those person doubt or proof. We also come out hard on those callers. Then this people get turned off watching us look like this. Some of them even told me that why we r always angry, try to make fun with religious people. This opened my eyes. We should stop doing that n try to be a good listeners. We have to show this people not by destroying there proof. But showed them why religion doesn't works step by step.
Do u think this woman when she saw this video think I might be wrong here so I need to change my ways. She will never do that. She now think us as enemy because we showed her by mocking her beliefs.
Now I view Religion n Science with film Matrix pill choice. One pill shows u nothing but lies,. Where the stories about GOD heaven n hell's might be true or not. Other pill is the truth but nothing else. Here u wake up n see the world for the first time n take Ur first step outside the real world. This world is scary first but what u make out of it it's up to u.
@@arlaratman862
I belief now we shouldn't attack other people belief n make fun of it. Religion itself is a belief system n what we now belife in is science. That means logic n reasoning, we search for the truth. But when we argue with a religious person. Its become a belief Vs science debate always. This will never work because how can u prove there is a God or not.
We have to be patient n always try to understand this people. When they want to know or ask us about religion. We shouldn't insult that person by debunk it straight away. We have to show them why religion itself doesn't work. If we try to listen then we can make some real change.
We must stop this TV Evangelist, Ken Ham n people like that who use religion to harm people. Those who use religion to there own benefit must be stop. But if we attack those believers then we just make them our enemy. We supposed to open there eyes one by one. They will be the one who destroyed this corrupt religion leaders.
I like how every time she stops and says “no that isn’t right here’s what actually happened” the very next scene in the episode explains more or less the same thing she just got done using as a justification, except without being filtered through a lense which assumes the story is true from jump street.
Once you’re willing to accept miracles, you’re then much more able to do all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify your a priori beliefs.
Seriously, I can't be the only one who uses "miracle" in the non-religious sense, i.e. unlikely stuff happening that turns out in one's favour?
Well, I guess we can add _A Bug's Life_ to the list of actually good Christian media, then.
I've been a lifelong member of the Mormon church. Just a few days ago I finally start ed having doubts and doing research (since in the church they literally tell you not to look at "anti-Mormon propaganda"). It really scares me seeing that all my life I never really started questioning it until now. Seeing all this logical evidence against the church has really opened my eyes, so much that I might become an atheist haha. The problem is, there is so much in my life that I would have to change. My entire family is in the church, and I am literally attending BYU this next semester. It's daunting, but I'm gonna have to find the courage to just leave everything I've been indoctrinated into behind. I think one reason it is so easy to fall victim to the church's teachings is that some of them are just very hopeful. It's easy to latch onto something that, using logical reasoning, is obviously untrue, when that thing promises you eternal happiness after you die as long as you live exactly to its teachings. Idk I'm kind of ranting at this point, I just really need to get some things straightened up in my life with regards to religion (or the lack thereof).
CyberGamer1539@ I was raised Mormon and left 25 yrs ago. Want some advice? You may feel a compelling urge to “rebound” and fill the vacancy left by Mormonism with some other religion or belief system. Just be aware that you’re doing it.
The best thing I could encourage you to do is take the time to learn about fact checking and source methodology. There are reliable methods for determining truth, and there are unreliable methods. A common fallacy is to assume that only stupid people fall for false beliefs. In fact, intelligence has little to do with it. Neither does skepticism. Many people with false beliefs are very smart, and often very critical, thoughtful, and skeptical. The actual problem is that they don’t have a reliable methodology for evaluating claims to discern truth. They use shotty methods like, personal hunches and intuitions, emotions and feelings, using unreliable sources, too much reliance on secondary sources, drawing conclusions from an insufficient data set, etc.
You’re going to hear a lot of people making claims about all kinds of different things, and you need to learn how to reliably navigate through factual claims and fiction.
The first two questions you should ask anytime anyone tries to convince you about something, is what sources did you rely on for this information, and how did you fact check them and this claim? Then consider things like what evidence do the experts on the subject cite for or against the claim, and what evidence do the opposition site against it?
Learn about the scientific method. It is demonstrably the most reliable methodology for weeding out false info we have ever invented. It even has safeguards built in to help identify, minimize, and fix errors. Unfortunately nothing is perfect, but it’s a great tool.
Too often we find ourselves believing things without sufficient evidence, or without even doing any decent fact checking first. Atheism isn’t anything more than a single answer to a simple question: Are you convinced enough to believe that a god/gods exist? If your answer is anything other than Yes, then you are an atheist. Many of us are open to the idea, but have yet to be convinced with sufficiently compelling evidence to believe the claim. I find this is a good way to approach any claim you may encounter. Cheers, I hope this helps you as much as it would have helped me when I first started questioning my faith.
The Sunk Cost Fallacy is real. Back yourself 100%
These replies are so wholesome. A RUclips channel I have to recommend you is “TheraminTrees”, it has helped me a lot in the process of leaving behind Christianity, in which I too was a lifelong member. My favourite quote of his is “People who don’t want you to think are never your friend.” I hold that close to my heart.
Best of luck.
i know how this feels, and i'm currently going through it to a lesser extent as an ex-christian. i was actually christian a few months ago but then i realized it was fear-factored. undeniable proof has never existed in recent history. that's the reason why blasphemy can not be achieved again.
god won't show proof because he was pushed away by humanity, but if you're an all powerful god humans shouldn't be a problem, right?
just my thoughts just in case you decide to convert to another form or christianity as catholicism.
Hey, how are you doing now? I went through the same thing as a member of the IFB church. I was born into it and was not allowed to to interact with the outside world. When I started having doubts and doing research in secret, it was super scary, but eventually things got better. Are you still in the church?
Dude I really appreciate your little doodles while you explain shit, super cool.
highly underrated!
Agreed
this is really a podcast.
Seriously, I was a little annoyed with it at first, but then I realized it actually helps me focus on what he’s saying. I never would have thought to do this. Pure genius!
Truth
The blinking in her eyes is indicative of struggling with her own beliefs. It's a telltale sign of deception in this case self deception. Cults always have convoluted stories, it's a kind of gaslighting
I used to believe in body language, but its research is pseudoscience. Please check out The Behavior Panel. Four arrogant white guys with no bias (they are “Switzerland”) who are self-proclaimed international experts, only they always prove that all conservatives are innocent and all liberals are guilty. They recently “proved” that Hunter Biden is guilty of serious crimes due to his alleged laptop.
@@nomiddlenamenmn427 Body language is a thing. You can know a lot of how a person feels just looking at he/she.
Of course, self-proclaimed fake experts will pop on every discipline.
And of course body language reading has its limits. You definitely can't tell if a person is guilty of a crime by body language. Whoever claims to be able to do that is a fraud.
@@nomiddlenamenmn427 yeah idk what you're talking about. That's only 4 fake experts that don't know what they're talking about. Like another comment said. Body language has its limits and there are people who can lie very well but most people give tell tell signs when they lie. You think the CIA and FBI would spend millions of dollars researching pseudoscience that they use in the field? Don't base your belief on any 4 people. Do some more research.
I've watched 8 atheist vids and I blinked
It's because it's a thing
People do
To clear there eyes
Ya dingus
Or maybe she's blinking because she's a human being who... blinks. People who pretend they can tell everything about a person through body language like real life is an episode of House M.D. are ridiculous
She knew going into this that SP was going to 'make fun of Mormons', but she def didn't expect something that hits SO CLOSE TO HOME and makes solid points as well. I love that by the end, she can't hold up that fake smile any longer - she almost looks shaken by it all, lol.
Fake Nice People do show a Fake Smile and they do that.
@@henkaistudio I don't know if she's a 'fake nice person', but you can certainly tell that she's struggling to maintain that 'positive' and 'unaffected' energy by the end of the video 😂
@@Vinciini83 yeah I know right
"Let's go steal those gold tablets Joe Smith keeps boasting about"
"No, we can't steal them until he shows them to everyone, because reasons"
I prayed to God all day, asking if He would tell me if the Book of Mormon was true. After hours of prayer, I finally got an answer from the Almighty Himself. He said onto me...
*"Bruh..."*
you sure that wasnt your pet snake or something?
Why and how would she serve a mission if she knows its fake?
@@camwright1443 are you saying shes dumb for serving when she knows its fake, or are you saying nobody would go on a mission if they know its fake so she obviously believes what she's saying because the correct answer is the latter
Bruh™
LMAO
Theology in a nutshell:
“God is unknowable”
But “I know what God thinks”
Nicholas Chung
I wouldn’t say God is unknowable; I just think we have no right to assert our own thoughts into him.
Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned
Iglix
Says the atheist in the SECULAR free world. I get your point, but it’s not all religions that call for thoughtcrime like islam with its apostasy laws; or Jehovah witnesses with their cult traditions. Every faith is deserving of scrutiny and ultimately truth will prevail in the end, but please take your shitty claim and be gone.
@@Dorkeydaze What was the claim he made? Are you indoctrinated into one of these religions?
@@chadingram6390 Oh, you again. I think he means that philosophy can come to conclusive proofs, as can religion. Get your socrates plato aristotle and aquinas on.
I don't think I can continue watching this after the first guy basically said "An angel said you can't see the plates so I don't have to show you." and she says "That's true." and nods hear like that was a reasonable explanation.
Not that I'm saying anything new, but if the angel was named "Moroni", how are they not Morons instead of Mormons?
asking the real questions here
Mormon apparently abridged the book of mormon. Which makes it even more confusing about the situation of the book of Lehi.
He put the joke right into the lore.
they are Morons
I think There was also somebody named Mormon. It was named after him
She had no problem with the accuracy (except for the missing pages) then spins around and says its not the real story at the end
It's truly depressing just how lost in the sauce these people are
Her: "Yeah people were trying to steal them so that's why he didn't show them to anyone."
Joseph Smith: *Tells literally everyone he comes across that he has solid golden plates*
What, criminals weren't smart enough back then to go to his house?
Joesph smith didnt go around telling people about the golden plates, he tried telling people about his vision of god and jesus. Also people did presue the golden plates. Joseph was ambushed in the woods after he had obtained the plates, he had to continualy switch where he hid them and after afew months joseph had to move and finish the translation somewhere else because of all the persecution and break ins. Because i hate it when people say things and dont back it up here is exactly where you can read about it: Saints the standard of truth volume 1, the Joseph Smith Papers, and alittle bit in the Doctrine and Covanents. You can also vist the churches website for further inquirys or questions.
I’m not a Mormon but Telltale left out quite a bit:
Joseph Smith was forbidden from showing the plates to ANYONE by God (the witnesses felt it through a cloth) but he was still told to spread the news. Basically God wanted to weed out the good from bad saying that anyone who just believed Joseph Smith were pure of heart and trusting and whatnot.
Telltale didn’t do his research or *conveniently* left some important stuff out
@@whizzerbrown1349 you know the fairy tale: "emperors new clothes"? Sounds just like that. ("You can only see the clothes if you are pure at heart and intelligent enough etc". But, spoiler alert: There were NO clothes... lol).
To this day when someone says something to me that is outlandishly stupid, I sing "DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB...."
It's almost as bad as thinking that a SCIENCE FICTION author is telling the truth about tiny aliens in volcanos.
well thats more likely to be true than some all knowing skydaddy nonsense. atleast we have proof of aliens... we have Zero proof of this skydaddy.
79707 proof of aliens?? Please show us your proof!
Isn't that the truth? Damn here goes me life. Thank you for killing me imagination
Pascal Maybe the following info is something that will refresh you imagination? ;)
Tardegardes or waterbears are a class of microscopic animals.
In 2007 scientists discovered that these microscopic critters can survive an extended stay in the cold, irradiated vacuum of outer space.
www.popularmechanics.com/space/a11137/tardigrades-water-bears/
@Sam Armstrong hahaha nono!
Tardegrades are tiny but not aliens.
If anything, this scientific discovery gives more credit to (for instance) panspermia and will give any scientific mind enough to imagin about.
When her voice cracks in the end you can tell she really didn't like when Stan said "no it proves he made it all up"
I enjoy the "he didn't have to dig around all day" incredulity followed by "the angel told him where to look"
😶😶😶
I've been a atheist for around two years now, but I was an active, card-carrying Mormon. I always felt in the back of my mind that something was wrong, but it took 40 years to admit it to myself. I researched other religions and came to the realization it's all malarkey. My wife is still a member. I came out to my wife, it was a bit of a shitstorm, crying and all. I explained my feelings and reasoning and she accepted it. We're still together and getting along well. Member/non-member or active/inactive relationships aren't that uncommon.
@@kimhoffmannandersen5477 thank you.
I like the part where she says he didnt have to dig all morning like that's the problem with the story.
Yeah like that changes anything!
Sunken cost fallacy. "I've lived my whole life in this religion, can't go back now! It has to be true"
Some stay "religious" because it has real life benefits. Just look at the politicians.
@@ElBandito yeah some use religion to get good benefits. Like how polygamy is ok in one religion and some are not.
It's all good until someone says "no, we're the superior, true religion, yours are fake"
This is exactly why every ex-Mormon goes on to hate the church and try’s so hard to prove its wrong because in order to fill the gap leftover they have to find something that is “true”
@@snow13-63 It is not hard to prove how Mormonism is wrong. Archaeology in the New World shows that easily enough.
@@ElBandito what about the stuff the mainstream historians reject? Such as mass grave with brozen chest pieces? They reject this kind of stuff cause it doesnt make sense to the current theory.
“Don’t bother telling me why I’m wrong. You’re wasting your time and your breath buddy.” Spoken like a true cultist
dont you know how wise and experienced 19 year olds are? she has it all figured out.
What would you say if I tried to convince you that nothing she said is wrong?
Mista Boombastic I’d say I grew up in the church and I’ve clearly done a lot more thorough and unbiased research than you.
@@Faint366 as did I. If you look for anti- church "research", you'll always find it. I'd encourage you to pray and study as you know you should. Men will lie to their graves. God won't.
@@mistaboombastic8166 that's why I believe in what I do. because humankind lies and is greedy and proud I believe in a god that is omnipotent but does not represent what we think.
Man it's actually insane how much influence the Mormon cult has on her, she literally can't see through the most straight forward form of the story, South Park makes fun of a ton of stuff, but they didn't even put their own spin on this, they literally just told the story the Mormons came up with and she's just like "oh well that's not *EXACTLY* what happened"
But then again she doesn't seem like the brightest tool in the shed to begin with but that seems to be how most people in cults are.
I glanced the channel and it definitely looks like her RUclips channel was directed by the Christian club at our college with a modern twist. She has modest clothing try on hauls instead clothing try on hauls. When I went to a beach meet up with the Christian club at college and the group told me to put my shirt back on because of the families on the beach (mind you I’m a 20 year old male with runner bod at the time). Before that point I never really heard of people keeping all their clothing on to go to the beach.
The church of Jesus christ of later day saints or more known as the mormon Church is not a cult , it is a religeon and deserves respect , it can really hurt someone's feelings by saying this
@@TheCheeseMan-xq9ii it's not a religion.
@4_14_fan yes it is please be respectful this hurts my feelings ,I'm in the church I know please be more respectful i
@4_14_fan yes it is please be respectful this hurts my feelings ,I'm in the church I know please be more respectful i
It’s not that she doesn’t get the “Dumb Dumb Dumb” bit. she was not reacting to it.
Yeah I was thinking that myself. She might not get it, or she might just be disregarding it most of the time. It's hard to tell.
Pray silent , worship alone ,no offense.
Mark Richardson What?
I think she started getting it when the dum dum changed to smart smart lol. If you watched her video her tone changed after that lol
I don't think she got it till the smart smart smart smart smart part
I love how she thinks what she is talking about is not absolutely nonsensical
Well by that metric anyone who believes in any religion at all is nonsensical. But I think if you were to to really compare and contrast the Book of Mormon with the Bible you'd realize that it's really a lot more palatable (for lack of a better word).
@@colbystarr1744 Well for me both the books sound like nonsense.
@@cynister7384 Good for you
@@colbystarr1744 yes all religion is nonsense.
@@colbystarr1744 Are you a Mormon?
This sounds ridiculous she thinks that God created a regular and abridged version and the abridged version is the only version to see the light of day
Makes me wonder what happened to the original.
I used to be a Mormon. They indoctrinate their kids from toddlers to believe this horse biscuits. That's why she is so certain.
@@lokensicarius9347 If I remember correctly from my mormon days the book would be re-translated around the second coming..
@@lokensicarius9347 There are so many versions over thousands of years that some books are... Very old and in different languages over time. Look up Digital Hammurabi here in RUclips for more, 'cus I'm not the academic spealist in that. I mean the Bible, the "first version" of God's word... In Judaism and Christianity...
@@lokensicarius9347 : it's stored in a wooden crate in a CIA warehouse, right next to the one containing the ark of the covenant.
She definitely has cult personality with that false laugh. Chilling.
I am legit disappointed with modern humans that don’t get irony and sarcasm.
To be fair is pretty hard to tell nowadays. Wither someone is being humorous or wants to inject bleach/eat neighbors ass.... :')
@@lokensicarius9347 Injecting bleach is just "eat Tide Pods" v2.0
I would argue it's much more prominent now than ever before. The abundance of satire and irony can be confusing we never really experienced it on this scale before.
@@lokensicarius9347 what's wrong with enjoying cake?
@@anthonynorman7545 No, like literally eat someone's ass. They're referencing that Alex Jones said he was prepared to feed his neighbor to his children.
I asked God if Mormonism was true, and He said no ❤️
I asked him and he said 'fthagn'. I'm still working on that.
I asked him and he just rolled his eyes and walked away shaking his head. 😉
I want to like this, but it has 69 likes.
The Lord told me to not trust false prophets aka Mr. "Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb".
It's the most believable version of Christianity
I used to be Mormon. Grew up in the church, was a boy scout, got married in the temple, served in a bishopric etc. I was fully indoctrinated and in my mind there was no way ever in all of eternity the church couldn't be true and I'd have my testimony forever. I had a full, perfect, and strong testimony. I read the CES letter and in that one single night my entire world changed. It's 100% about information control, and with the internet people are leaving the church in droves. I've seen family after family in my own local area lose faith. The church is a sham, and once you learn a few basic TRUE things about Joseph Smith and the early church, things the LDS church tries so hard to hide, the entire legitimacy of the Church crumbles. I know very few people who've read the CES letter and then remain members of the church. It took me an entire YEAR after I read it to finally admit it to myself and I was desperately trying to cling to faith and pray in the temple but inside I knew the truth.
Faith is believing in something without evidence. Believing in something DESPITE mountains of evidence to the contrary? That's lunacy.
I didn't know about the CES Letter until just an hour ago, when I first read your comment. You just genuinely changed my life. Thank you.
Good for you
This is what I dont get. If you died being a mormon, do you believe as of right now you would've missed out on something so grand? Have you ever got depressed, upset, angry, annoyed etc. ever since leaving it?
If atheists and theists have anything in common, it's that they both believe the grass is greener on their side, when in reality, they're both just humans who feel the same things, experience the same things, have the same good people who do good things and have the same fucked up people who do fucked up things.
Thinking you're better than someone else because of what you believe in/dont believe in, just goes to show you possess no other redeeming traits. With this kind of mindset, not only would religion not exist, but science itself would not have evolved to the point it has today.
I can guarantee you there are videos as of today on youtube that are slandering a theory as being so irrational and illogical, that it should never be spoken of, let alone further explored,
And that very theory some day in the distant future will turn out to be true when we know more about the world. It's happened before and it will happen again.
Happy for you if you believe you changed your life for the better. But others going through the same 'enlightening' experience may not process it the same way. If this leads them down a worse pathway in life, was it really worth joining the other side?
@@akiravrz8639
Some of us want accuracy no matter what it is.
Without evidence and reason all beliefs are equal.
And to think Smith was jailed and killed because he burned down the star printing press that exposed his polygamy. Makes ya wonder how bad the church wishes they could destroy the internet hence they ask people to "fast from.it" prior to their biyearly pretend to be a church and not a corporation conference.
Insulting someone’s occult is like telling your teenage daughter. Her boyfriend is a POS they’re just going to love and defend it even more.
"ahah, well actually they got all of it wrong hihi" -proceeds to repeat the same story with different framing
"Don't bother to tell me my religion isn't true, no amount of evidence will change my mind."
fwiw - I never try to directly challenge a belief, (granted I am not always successful - but I try). Rather I only want to ask questions to stimulate _some_ introspection. You never know when someday enough of these little questions lead to actual critical thought. But you are 100% right, most people don't wake up from a cult in less than 5 minutes of good argument, refuting their apologetics. Usually it is a culmination of various things over time.
I remember that with Ken Ham, when he debated Bill Nye the science guy.
I’m religious, and I am a Christian (not Mormon) but I kinda like when my beliefs are challenged. It gives me a chance to reflect on my beliefs and determine why I believe what I believe. I like being forced into that introspection. And I feel like by being able to have my beliefs challenged, and be able to sincerely listen, process and understand the argument that someone is making against, and I can come up with a sound rebuttal, I feel like it makes my beliefs stronger.
However, I think it is incredibly unhealthy to be like, “I will never change my beliefs, so don’t even bother to try and argue me because I’m right and you’re wrong.” If you’re not even willing to have that conversation, it shows you don’t know why you believe what you believe, other than that you’ve been told to believe them.
thats kind if what religion is thats why its "believe" and not "know"
@@kellyjokanovich3939 then youre definitely the diamond in the rough, keep challenging your beliefs, and encourage others to do the same.
*plot twist:* joseph smith ate moldy rye bread, got ergot poisoning, tripped balls, and without knowing he was high, basically submitting a trip report that was turned into a cult.
Wow someone who knows toxicological history !!
It was probably only you and me buddy who hit the like button, but that is an hilarious possibility.
Like The Salem Witch Trials.
Not even close. He was a convicted con and ended his life on the lamb . He would have people pay him to find treasure on their property (with his magic seer stones, I think) and then come up with some excuse (spirits got mad and moved them) why they needed to pay an extra day for him to search. And he’d keep it up until they caught on.
He also would threaten girls or their parents with hell or god’s wrath of they didn’t agree to be one of his wives. There’s more, but he was a crook from the start and knew exactly what he was doing.
You're giving him too much credit. He knew he was a liar.
Acid trip turns into cult? Yeah that’s my head canon now
This is a person who has been completely torn away from her instincts . Like so many . This young lady could be prey for anyone.
Asked. Got no response. Perhaps god is just out of WiFi range?
Social distancing, maybe? God can't get close enough to tell you.
God should be everywhere so maybe he just doesn't have a phone
@@RandomRUclips123 I am probably on the extremely long list of people he hates to be fair
God uses 5G, we'll hear from him any day now.
Lynx Firenze BRO THESE REPLIES GOT ME WHEEZINGGGGGG
So her version is God tells Smith to translate this plate. This is very important. Translating this plate will show you important revelations. Definitely do it.
Wait on second thought don't bother with that plate. Do the abbreviated version.
That's.... not better.
why in the hay allmighty God will write his revelations in not native language at all
she was dumbing down how god was saying that everything was fine for the future of the scriptures without what was lost.
@@jdsjigglypuff9419 But losing the supposed translation didn't mean losing the supposed plates. So why suddenly switch to a different one?
@@lizd2943 I thought Martin Harris lost the plates. Because people wanted to see the plates to believe it. It would make sense that they made a big deal about losing it because they hadnt yet translated those ones yet so nobody could know what they said. That's what I thought.
@@jskratnyarlathotep8411 You think English is the Native language of America?
"Mormons", "Moronai" I mean... Smith knew his marks.
Not only that , but also Moron is mentioned in the Book of Mormon , I kid you not . en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moron_(Book_of_Mormon)
stolen ideas from a unpublished book including the names of 3 races that never existed
@@RedKnight231 haha, "...in the land of Moron..." and literally tehre is a guy in there too, called ahah...backwards haha, he was an ancestor of moron
@@Sputterbug didn't know the correct spelling... this is even more hillarious. thanks.
“Moron” wasn’t a word in the English language until the early 1900’s..
“It’s easy to fool people who are already fooling themselves”
-Mysterio
I genuinely feel bad for her she's so indoctrinated she is incapable of rational thinking 😔.
WTF! She just described her religion n compared it with South park. What's wrong with that. Didnt u guys learned nothing from that episode. If they are not harming anyone n they r happy. Why u judge them for there beliefs. They r better person that u r seems like it.
@@asifmetal666 dude chill hes saying shes an idiot
@@asifmetal666 calm the fuck down ya God damn goon..
@drewski west sounds like he's a Mormon..
@@shadyjesusrodriguez.2821 The irony in this statement...............
I hope everyone watching realizes.. this is how ALL religions sound to people who don't believe in them, or were not indoctrinated from childhood. They say weird nonsense... and then support it by quoting from their particular book as proof.
Shane..here is the only difference. The Holy Bible can be backed up with other non-religious historical texts and artifacts. Do some research and you will see its true. Every person that REALLY digs into the life and story of Jesus Christ ends up a Christian. This includes devout atheists and some very intelligent people.
@@stevejewell8496 Thanks Steve, you sound exactly like the batshit crazy Mormon woman in this video! Glad you are proving Shane's point.
@fennex... do your research. Dont use the bible. Use historical documentation only. It will prove the bible true through an atheist view.
@@stevejewell8496 There is no proof that jesus even existed, stop annoying non brain washed people and go pray or something
@@animeworld5847 Look into Lee Strobel who described himself as an atheist married to am agnostic. He did scientific based non-biblical research to prove that Christ did exist and actually did the miracles described in the Bible. I am naturally highly skeptical of any authority and followed Lee's trail to a similar conclusion. Good Luck on this journey if you decide to undertake it.
Notice how everything she says comes with a laugh at the end. That must be fun to be around and hear constantly.
@Trinity M being honest about cult behaviors that sane people find disturbing is childish I think you meant to say your feelings are hurt
At 8:07 it looks like she genuinely had a microsecond of self reflection before laughing it off then going back to the thought before just ignoring it and smirking.
she acted tarded like xomplicated lol
LOL god made an abridgment. _"Never mind all that work we did, there's now an abridged version."_ 😆 😅 😂 🤣
God flexing his problem solving skills lol
@@indypj7443 their false god basically Nelly couldn't do it but basically shows the direct opposite it's just I'm trying to make up stuff with a fault demonic belief that's what Joe s*** the luciferian did and he's exposed a faker my old been proven to be complete so many times after and before him and yet he wants to make up something falls out of nowhere with nothing he's just so flat wrong this is not up for debate ever he's a faker it was fake from the very beginning back in the early 1800s 1830 or so we made it all up
Yeah, he's like "nevermind the old testament, there's a new testament now!" Then later he's like "nevermind those two testaments, here's the right version!"
@@rockysandman5489 then theyll say "no no no heres another another text now" and then later "no no no heres another nother nother nother new text". Morons are liciferian cult exposed they all need to be saved from this Evil.
@@yaruqadishi8326 Luciferian cult? Saved from this evil? Umm...
She writes Joseph Smith fanfiction.
'Fifty Shades of Gold'
@@terencejay8845 STOP LMFAO
I feel so bad for her, she is obviously a good person but is brainwashed.
People believe what their told
She seems conflicted at times. I remember that feeling.
If it makes her happy in this depressing world, who cares? Why do you want to ruin that for them?
@@justhellbound4206 because the doctrine draws people in with kindness but the doctrine actually hides very discriminatory beliefs. Especially towards women. I don't want to see her, or anyone else, get hurt
@@jaebird3077 from what I've experienced growing up Mormon, they're very kind people. I'm sure there are bad ones, just like with any other religion. But I know that they love to help people in need and stuff. In this world where so many horrible things going on, how can you blame them for believing in something that actually makes them happy?
When I went to church everybody told me that when I met my husband I would just know. He went to church every Sunday and so did his whole family. We didn't date very long until we got married, about six months. He was the most evil awful abusive narcissistic person I ever met my life. I had gone to Bible studies for years about how to be a great Christian wife and how to be a good Christian woman and I felt like I was very close to God and I went on a Feeling. That is where I went wrong. I never go on feelings anymore. I went to a Church of God from the age of 18 to the age of 34. I never had such anxiety in my life. I left the church two years ago and I have felt better than ever and I go by proof and facts when it comes to decision-making in my life. I feel like an idiot when I think back on decisions I made throughout my life. To be swayed so easily just makes you feel so dumb. I was blind but now I actually see.
❤❤❤
I have or had a very dear friend who got caught up in first The Worldwide Church Of God and I think there was some sort of schism and now he’s in The Living Church Of God. He’s a mess of contradiction and hypocrisy. He won’t speak to me anymore. He was one of the most talented musicians and songwriters I’ve ever known and he just gave it all up because after he had a “vision” (brought on by drugs) he said it was all satanic and he just buried himself in the church. It’s very sad. I’m happy you got free
So sorry you went through that
About a year ago, I got no apology but we get along now for our daughter. But I'll make sure she doesnt do what I did. Thank you for your likes and kind comments.
“There’s only 2 types of people who would buy this, suckers, and brainwashed people,”
*Conmen have entered the chat*
The other type (whom have common sense) have now left the chat.
Conmen dont, usually, buy it
Conmen don't buy it -- they sell it
When you have reached the bottom of religious credibility. You are a Mormon. The next step is Scientology.
@@thomasridley8675 religious credibility is granted by atheists?
"And then there's THIS book called, uh, Moron...ai." - Joseph Smith
Haha good pun, 'definitely' has not been used before, very original.
Its the truth bud, deal with it. Bunch of morons reading shit.
@@JohnSmith-hq6fl ah yes the only true religion moronism
Also... the 3 and 8 witnesses, she refers to, saw the gold plates “with their spiritual eyes” they never actually saw the plates. In addition, many of those “witnesses” signed similar declarations for other “new found” scriptures for other people starting new religions...
Dangg I would be really interested to read about that if you have references?
I know this has little to nothing to do with the video but I'd just like to say I'm really enjoying watching the drawings as you speak can you please add more 😂
That nervous smile after every justification
This isn't surprising. Most religious people can't explain their religions lol.
Yeah but I’d be down to listen to Buddhists bruh they for sure got their lives together from it.
Bruh... MONKS ARE THE SHIT! they can walk up mountains sideways
Well. That's not true, but whatever helps you to sleep at night and feel comfortable with your own biases.
@@pscoolguy It's kinda true... All arguments in favor of religion come some sort of logical flaw in one form or another, on a crucial detail which makes the entire argument or concept in question seem patently absurd.
Let's not fool ourselves. It's only the Christian denominations that do that. Other religions don't seem to be obssesed with getting new members through deceit.
i think it’s funny that there’s a south park episode on mormonism since the creators also wrote book of mormon lmao
They also did the movie Orgasmo about a mormon missionary who became a porn star
@Guns _ On _ Wheels Its a funny movie, especially the triple anal scene
@@cygnustsp and here you go creating more questions 🤔......
They really find Mormons interesting 😂 but yah check out the other two things if you're old enough
initially it was probably because mormonism and jehovah's witnesses were the 2 fastest growing groups at the time. When it came out. I'm not sure which was growing faster but years later I know it was the Jdubs.
The level of batshittery people can be conned to uncritically accept never ceases to amaze me.
watching this lady explain mormonism is like watching a destiny fan explain destiny lore
Sluk the Unggoy how dare you lmao. I grew up Mormon and love destiny, but I can explain Destiny much easier
@@storminmormn6283 yeah i play destiny too lol
I would have never expected to see a comment on Destiny on a Telltale video.
@@melanieg2089 eyes up guardian
She even explains it poorly by Mormon standards, and fudges a lot of the realities their church has been forced to admit to over the years. Guess the youth indoctrination and white washing of history program is still going strong.
I genuinely feel sorry for that girl. She really seems sweet and nieve and has been indoctrinated. It's not her fault she was probably born into it and has her life, friends and family invested into it, so if she chose another path would most likely loose everything
I love how she never gets the "Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb dumb" I mean I was 16 years old and not a native English speaker, when I watched this episode for the first time and I burst out laughting and so did my mum, when I showed it to her :D
Hey, your English is pretty good
@@amiracaroandyeeeeet.2779 Thanks, I've been learning it for 15 years now, so it should be :D
@@raccoonja5905 You were 16 and not a native English speaker... but you've been speaking English for 15 years... *Does Math* ... You were speaking a language when you were 1 yr. old!?
@@bonez2450 No I'm saying that I watched it when I was 16, but that was 9 years ago. I started learning English when I was 10.
there is not sufficient evidence that she does not get it. She does not have to react the way you expect her to.
I love how you actually learn about the church you talking about and directly disprove whatever it is without making massive mistakes like other channels