As of right now, Rekkles is still absent from Los Ratones scrims. I'm watching Caedrel on Lulu. ----- Joe Marsh, T1 CEO has responded. This is relevant because he was Rekkles last professional boss before Caedrel: "I can’t speak to Martin as an 18-year-old, but as a 28-year-old, he was a fantastic person and teammate. "Our experience with him at T1 was overwhelmingly positive. During Worlds 2024, as part of our main roster, the team genuinely enjoyed having him around. I’ll never forget our conversation backstage before the trophy ceremony about his next step with Los Ratones and his good friend Caedrel. He will always have a home in Korea with T1-Martin is family." Thorin has also responded in a statement to Dot eSports: ----- Thorin: "I can only address specific instances of his team-mates speaking out so I will do so according to each individual case. I don’t think Broxah is lying and I think he is well within his rights to express himself on this matter however he pleases and I don’t doubt his experiences. My issue with his statement is that he suggested I went back and got the information from “some randoms that think they know [Rekkles]”. I got my information from people who were in the room with him when the events in question played out and, as I reiterated in the Nemesis section, what I published is their account of those events and I used traditional journalistic methods of cross-referencing blind to confirm this was a shared sentiment. I’m confused as how to how you can even interpret Bwipo’s statements as being a denial of the claims made. It appears he simply now has a different perspective on who Rekkles was back then and how he relates to him now. That seems entirely valid to me and Bwipo is someone who has, quite recently, publicly struggled with issues regarding his own behaviour. So I imagine he is in a reflective mood and apt to be more generous that he might once have been. He has always struck me as an earnest and honest person, just like Broxah, despite us having publicly clashed and disagreed on many topics. It’s one of the reasons I took some of his outbursts before Worlds to be a sign of mental fatigue or anguish as opposed to simply him “trash talking” former team-mates. I can summarise my thoughts on team-mates speaking out as follows: I don’t claim to have spoken to or for everyone who has worked with Rekkles in his career. In every team there will be different alliances, disputes and sentiments that are not all collectively shared by the entire group. What I will say is that I have never lied in my entire 23 year professional career and when it comes to dealing with sources I both protect them fiercely and vet them vigorously. What I published is a faithful and honest account of multiple people working with Rekkles in every era of his career and that information was transmitted to me within the last year and a half. A key motivating factor for me publishing the piece is that so many of the people who were around Rekkles were tired of and even in some cases sickened by having to put up a facade that their experience with him was pleasant or that they liked him and think how he behaved was acceptable. As I explained early in the video they felt as if speaking out would simply stain their reputation, due to his sheer popularity and good will with the general fanbase, and lead to them being harassed by hostile comments online. I think the public response to my publication of their accounts, hours before anyone had seen the video no less, validates their expectations in that sense. I’m willing to be the shield that tanks said hostility for the sake of getting their stories and perspectives out there. Many people felt they had to bottle up their emotions and suppress their negative experiences for the sake of maintaining a fan perception of Rekkles. That has now ended and people are welcome to believe whatever they please. My track record of honesty and credibility in this industry speaks for itself." Source: dotesports.com/league-of-legends/news/t1-former-fnatic-teammates-defend-rekkles-amid-narcissistic-diva-allegations
Emphasis mine: "My track record of honesty and CREDIBILITY in this industry speaks for itself." Lmao exactly, Thorin is one of the less credible person in the League scene, and that video speaks for itself.
"I got my information from people who were in the room with him when the events in question played out" "I don’t claim to have spoken to or for everyone who has worked with Rekkles in his career." I dunno, maybe I'm dumb, but doesn't the second statement contradict the first one?
@@Thomas_BjornssonUnfortunately no not really. He’s saying he has primary sources, those with first hand experience. But this does not mean he’s gotten every single perspective on those “events in question” which is what the second statement says. So no contradiction in this case.
Ive met him (rekkles) in 2023 in amsterdam, said hi to him and he turned around and had nice talk and he even said lets take a seat and have a talk, thats how nice of a person he is!
I can't trust old men in the esports world, they are so angry and washed in life that they feel the need to be toxic for no reason, he has such a punchable face
thorin has always been a slimy bastard. i don't understand why he gets any attention or why he is allowed to be on analyst desks in both cs and league. in cs he would never let go of how niko is a horrible human being and a terrible person to be around, yet for example now when you see him leaving g2, there is a video of monesy saying goodbye to him and crying his ass off lmao. of course the guy is by no means perfect, and it goes without saying that a bosnian guy is gonna say things that he isnt supposed to say from time to time and get very angry about things, but such is life, overall niko is clearly a decent guy, and very similar to rekkles when it comes to how they view themselves and their role within teams which is perfectly reasonable.
Crazy that thorin would put out such a video when i actually heard he supposedly robbed a homeless man, kicked a puppy and spat on a grandma unprovoked. Supposedly he was also allegdly pressuring fans into sending him money. I also heard he was supposedly speaking bad about someone he knew once just because of their skin color. Allegdly he also did this repeatedly to several others is what i have heard was supposedly allegedly the case. Due to privacy reasons i won't say who told me these things.
I've supposedly heard the same exact thing. Lets not forget about the time Thorin supposedly courted Nikacado Avocado and stole all his food until he was skinny again.
He is not saying he is a bad person. He is stating facts. He has autism, maybe it's related. People are not mad because Thorin is lying. People are mad because Thorin is saying the truth but the truth hurts because poor autistic Rekkles doesn't deserve this. lol.
@@YouSurfin So for you basically Thorin is like a man that hate blind man because he is blind and say bad word about his blindness. And people mad to Thorin because he say that. Yeah maybe Thorin not bad guy, but maybe he is just lack of empathy.
@@franki1990 Its sad... Imagine being a 41 year old man with a family and hating on rekkles for the past 10 years since he was 15. And then have a nerve to talk about sociopathic behaviour. I hope he gets whats coming to him this time. Community hates him alerady now he really needs to get booted of riot games team.
I don't understand what age has to do with anything. You do know that one day you'll be 41 right? And you'll probably still be following Esports and playing video games.
You mean that a 16 year old kid with autism in an esports setting acted out? Crazy I never would've guessed. Rekkles is an amazing person, Thorin just wants his 15 minutes of infamy riding on the coat tails of people better than him.
Also lets say that everything Thorin said is true, despite no evidence and the video is just his face for 2 hours talking about "supposedly". Did he really think people would care? Like am I seriously supposed to gasp and feel betrayed that Rekkles didnt pick Kaisa adc in a scrim game 4 years ago or some shit? Wtf was the idea here 😂 nobody even cares. People forgave others for being drug addicts, abusive, drunks....and he thinks he is gonna destroy his career by exposing tru a videogame🤣🤣
@kallison2906 And unfortunately, it worked. Despite Thorin consistently proving that hes a disingenuous attention-seeking manchild, like Keemstar, he continues to be relevant only because others legitimize him with coverage and interactions.
I'm pretty sure 99% of league players had a similar or worse crash out during a silver 2 ranked game when they were younger. I sure as hell had some crazy crashouts at 15.
I first learned of Thorin after he showed up in a podcast with Montecristo, a former LoL caster. Both of them spent the entire hour spewing unsubstantiated slander against other people in the industry and since then I've never seen or heard anything remotely positive about the guy. It seems his entire schtick is framing slanderous hearsay and horrible allegations as hard evidence, using a "no smoke without fire" approach to argue that, if people (him) are talking about it, something must be true.
@@colin5197 and you sound like someone whose response to something they disagree with is to insult them instead of providing a reason to try and convince them of your own opinion. I've watched plenty of thorin's own content and seen plenty of his desperate clout chasing grifting on Twitter to inform my opinion that he's an asshole. You've provided zero reasons to believe the contrary.
“He hates losing and used to have mental breakdowns if he lost” “He used to deliberately run it down and lose games if he didn’t get his way” Holy contradiction Batman.
Not really - obviously people who hate losing only hate it when they're - you know - actually trying to win, which is typically what you'd assume people would be doing.
@ That literally makes no sense. Rekkles hated losing so much teammates had to let him win everything and if he didn’t, he would deliberately int stage games… games he would be trying to win. Also the fact that everyone said he was a professional and a hard worker but in the same breath allegedly said he was immature and would throw all his toys out of the pram and stop working if he thought things weren’t going his way. Those things are opposite, someone is not professional and one of the hardest working players, if they act like a child and give up at the first sign of losing or trouble. It’s contradictory… because it’s over embellished nonsense.
respectfully, this tracks for a league player. losing feels different when you actually try to win versus deciding the game is lost at draft and running it down until ff15
@@justinjonesphd The problem is it makes no sense when everyone said he was not only hard working but a consummate professional… so he was a professional who ran it down randomly?
@@emanresUcireneG read the comment, its a direct contradiction to all the points he tries to make, every time he tries for a gotcha he dials back with a different statement that proves the previous one as false XD
@@DatMalik on top of, refused to pick a champion in a competitive game if he didnt have 50 games on it. Brother his job is to win, not to first pick them in a worlds match. Why on gods green earth would you ever want your players to play a champion they haven't had time to practise?
Just to say Reekles is famous to be a very safe player But where the fuck is that a problem Even if you take your statement don't all LoL player are ego player (at least 80%) and if he pops of as often as he did without asking for ressources, what a player
Appreciate you putting this video together, I didn't want to touch thorin's video in any sense to give it any kind of recognition so it's nice to get some context. Thorin has always relied on loud, anger motivated content for his brand so I didn't expect to get much real evidence out of the video. Hope Rekkles is able to return soon and everyone puts this video and Thorin behind them.
@@TheXxemarosaxx Is it false flagging? He personnaly attacks a person he don't know and suffering from high anxiety with "supposedly" stuff he "may" have done in the past at 15 years old? For me, it's no different from harassement here.
@@Masterpouya he isn’t attacking anyone he is calling out the behavior of someone who is 28 not 15 btw. If you think this is harassment then no one can ever comment on anyone or make any videos or content about anyone
He is not saying he is a bad person. He is stating facts. He has autism, maybe it's related. People are not mad because Thorin is lying. People are mad because Thorin is saying the truth but the truth hurts because poor autistic Rekkles doesn't deserve this. lol.
@@YouSurfin his entire fanbase are exactly like him. They all know he's fake but they see that as a virtue. They talk openly how being fake helps with their 'anxiety'. What a crutch has this word become.
years ago i made a comment about rekkles's eyebrows, and they read it to him in a "mean tweets" video. i still feel bad about that shit. i cant imagine harboring so much hate towards someone you havent even met, for years.
I feel you dude. Sometimes you just say shit w/o thinking how it will make other people feel. And when you do say something stupid w/o any intention towards some1 else and you see their face when they hear it and how it makes them feel it kinda changes you.
I've never really watched the streams of Rekkles, but whenever I tuned in it was mostly a chill vibe, he is just a guy who knows what making mistakes feels like, he knows what it feels like to be in a dark place, and allegedly, from what I've been told, he's just trying his best to succeed in a tough world, like all of us. Mayhaps.
Bruh aren't we all that guy!! :( I would cry if I spilt my glass of milk :( Im not defending whoever Thorin is, I'm just saying, that's the appropiate response for spilling a glass of milk on the floor!!
Like Bwipo said, we were all young and made mistakes. Can't we just appreciate who Rekkles is today and how incredible he has become as a teammate overall? Brining up someone's petty past is genuinely pathetic. Justice for Rekkles.
Honestly if Rekkles was a drug addict and a trash person or whatever I STILL wouldnt care lmao. Who cares? Past is past, hes clearly an awsome person. And this guy is trying to bury him over "he didnt play well in this videogame years ago hes a sociopath!!!!" like wtf, Even if all the allegations turn out to be true, like I said couldnt care less. Its just a game, and Rekkles clearly changed. Why does it matter if he was "selfish" or whatever years ago if hes not now. Hes a team player and admits his mistakes clearly not a sociopath, Im really struggling to see the point of making that video. What did he think would happen? He has 0 proof its just his face in front of a camera rambling "supposedly this and that" why would anyone believe him. Even if he did have video of screenshots of things Rekkles allegedly did, what did he think would happen? That people would say: "OMG Rekkles didnt play Kaisa adc 5 years ago in scrims, yup I cant watch this sociopath" lmao like wtf 😂
@K_Petar >Im really struggling to see the point of making that video cuz there is only one perspective on who rekkles is exists - fanboish "perfect poster boy what a good guy struggling with his mentall issues" he gives you another which makes rekkles just a human being instead of what we got now is it really that hard to understand? it is not to cancel rekkles or destroy his career just to fight media narrative about him
@K_Petar The point is that Thorin chanenl is dying ( if not dead already), he's trying to latch on to LR popularity to stay relevance and revive his "journalist career", squeeze 50$ out of the video to pay his rent due this Sunday.
That's who Thorin is. He's always been a piece of shit. That's why everyone has distanced themselves from him except other pieces of shit, like Monty and Rich.
A few years ago, FNC (with rekkles) played in Rotterdam for LEC finals and did a photoshoot after. I met a friendly girl there because we were sitting next to each other in the stadium and we had fun talking during the games. We decided to take the photoshoot together. She was a massive Rekkles fan but very shy and when it was our turn she was positioned far away from him in the picture. I asked Rekkles if she could stand next to him because she is such a big fan. He replied “of course” with a warm smile and waved her over. She immediately brightened up and they talked a bit after the photo (but it was busy so we did really have to leave fast). I don’t know him personally of course but that interaction is just printed in my mind and I’m sure he is a nice person. Call it foolish or naïeve, the smile he gave her was genuine and I refuse to see otherwise.
Ahh that's my post at 12:40, thank you for adding it to your video. It's extremely saddening to see someone so obsessed over Rekkles to the point where he will go out of his way to make low quality videos like the one he put together, just to garner some attention, without any empathy or understanding of someone who's been in the public eye since he was just a teenager. I'm not sure what Thorin's end goal is here, but it's very heartbreaking to watch.
Thorin is also mad that T1 won worlds twice in a row again because he still thinks they are bad and he doesn't understand how they "keep getting away with stuff" which led to me rolling my eyes as soon as I see his face or hear his name.
@ Yea it's really strange to me when people are trying their hardest to talk down accomplishments and point it out as "they were really lucky to get worlds finals three times in a row because others just fucked up". Which, even if it was true, others still played worse.
@@donvitopatata Ignore him, look at his recent comments. He has been raging and hate commenting on anything Rekkles for months. Probably Thorin's burner, but either way very weird behaviour and way too much time on his hands.
@@86pelezinho Real men know when to cry, stop being such a man wannabe, if you think "crying makes you a sissy" i have something for you, go look paint dry, it'll be the best thing you do that day
This could have been an interesting exploration of Rekkles' growth as a person. He's clearly in a much better place then he was 10 years ago. Great work as always Rival.
Yeah. Thorin said to draw your own conclusions and opinions as he doesn’t know to what extent are those stories true. So if they are and you see that Rekkles today is different, then that is your conclusion to make.
Thank you for supporting him Rival! As a fellow neurodivergent person I can tell how pure and authentic Rekkles is. He has so much softness and kindness in him. He doesn't deserve any of this... He deserve so much praise for how open he is about his struggles. And his stream is so lovely to watch for someone like me who' s sensitive for stimuli, its always chill vibes.
As someone who has no idea who Thorin is nor what kind of content he generally makes but the dude comes off as an absolute infantile loser. To pick on AN 18 YEAR OLD REKKLESS as A (supposedly) 50 YEAR OLD MAN is insane but to HOLD THAT GRUDGE and release it when he literally just went through the worst years of his life and finally having things look up is BEYOND LUNACY. What kind of insensitive jobless boomer do you have to be to think the video a good idea? I don't care what Rekkless did in the past because he now seems like a genuinely good person but the same definitely cannot be said for this rambling idiot Thorin.
Always up to parasocial losers like you to pretend a 28 year old man thats paid 6 digits is 18 year old kid. If you didn't watch the video he was still up with garbage antics when he was in Karmine corp.
I felt the same, I had no idea who that dude was, and started investigating, and found out he is just a sad man. And I said the same things Rival said. "'YEARS IN THE MAKING", and posted the most lazy video ever, who in the right mind would endure that video. I dont think what is sadder, Thorin or the people defending him.
6:40 This is an incredibly strong masking mechanism in practically every autistic/ADHD person. When you are percived as weird as a child you start masking and make you get extremly scared that someone will dislike you and the anxiaty is damning.
Exactly. In my experience most autistic/ADHD people have social anxiety, since they most likely were lied to in their past about whether or not people liked them or wanted to hang out with them for the sake of "social etiquette", meaning that moments like these often re-open that pandora's box of "everyone hates me and is just pretending otherwise", even if it's only one person. Having audhd myself I'm impressed with how he responded (distancing himself from the situation and communicating he was gonna be on break for the day). That's harder than it looks.
@@Nixahma It is, I am scared of saying I need some space, as I believe for some reason the people could get angry as they interpret it as you not liking them/lazy etc. And while yes this is like The One Thing where yes, the critique makes sence, the one thing not a total bullshit in the video, but it should be a critique of people that got him to be like that, not Martin him self.
"Anxiety led a checkered career in modern culture. It became fashionable. People go around cultivating their anxiety. As a matter of fact, anxiety, is simply our human existence, in its contingency, coming to the level of consciousness, vibrating through us. The other modern attitude, which is, in part, the result of being a technical society, which commands certain instruments. We have the command of drugs, remedies of various kinds. We imagine that there should be some instrument or means by which we can simply press a button and get rid of our anxieties. That they are not something that need to be faced or lived through. Either extreme is rather unfortunate. Anxiety is simply part of the human condition. There are all sorts of modes of anxiety and in some forms it has the kind of peacefulness of a creative yearning. If we weren't anxious we would never create anything."
@@Riceisgood777 You kinda both live in eacho chamber. Thoorin vid was poorly made and he didnt bringed clips from episodes ware he talked with people who had problems with Rekkles. Rekkles improved so that video feels out of place. TLDR Rekkles wasnt perfect but dude worked on himself. Thoorin vid would made mutch more sense in 2022 or 2023 when Rekkles atcualy talked shit about orgs / people. I was fan of Rekkles back in hes adc days specificly i watched him a lot in 2015 and 2018 days,. Dude is GOAT of EU adcs. TLDR : If it was any other player like Perkz or Dardoch than people wouldnt made so mucth big of a fuss about it. What was the biggest enemy for Rekkles was POV of hes psycho side of hes fanbays. Thoorin shouldnt made that vid on him now when Rekkles was acting good.
@@MoriartyS07I am curious about this Rekkles attitude you are referring to and the teammates who complained about his toxicity. Any source, vid or keyword to search?
"i have never met Rekkles in person, nor have i ever talked with him publicly or privately" The video just shouldve ended there, ranting for almost 2 hours about someone youve never MET or TALKED to, is a concerning type of obsession
Bro I'm so disconnected with the world... Imagine a 40 year old dude ranting about how some guy mistreated him in a game is world news
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Gonna report Thorin's video for intimidation and harassment, cause that's literally what it is, releasing an hour long rant about a guy he's never talked to
Poor Rekkles man. I can really empathise with that kind of anxiety, of fearing that people will hate you or that you'll dissapoint them, and the worst thing is when someone preys on that anxiety. Hope he knows that for each one hater he has hundreds of people supporting him and that know he's a great guy.
I can always count on the most handsome league content creator and best riven player out there to be honest, funny, objective and logical, and real. Thank you rival for always being an honest voice in the community and not clickbait bs.
I was never a fan of Rekkles as a player but you have to respect him and his legacy. Dont need to love the guy but he deserves respect for what he did in the LOL scene regardless of personal feelings. Hope this blows over with no negative outcomes for Rekkles.
rekless is the most humble and serious when playing scrims he is tyring his best and taking it to its limits its what scrims are for his kda in games is nuts idk
@@termiro1793Eh I think he is somewhat faking it, it's streamed and this is somewhat some of his last chances to prove himself or it might be over so he's probably on best behavior mode.
Dear Thorin, If you have ever felt anxiety, distress, uncertainty, or anything else that made your life miserable, I hope you take a moment, in your happiest times, to see what it feels like to be treated the way you are treating others now. We all have a past-it may not be the same for everyone, but we’ve all grown from it. Rekkles is trying to find and fix himself. If you have truly followed him through the years, you can see he’s much happier now than before. Do not take that from him. Do not steal his moment. Do not try to grab the spotlight that isn’t yours. Let him be happy. Let him enjoy his life. Let him be himself. He chose Los Ratones because he wants to explore new opportunities. Now, with LR, he is more talkative and happier than ever. Whatever happened before doesn’t define him today. It may be a part of him, but only he can choose when to mention it-not someone who doesn’t know him. I hope you truly understand what it means to move forward and respect those who are doing the same. You are the most d*sgusting person I know in this industry.
I like how you were able to acknowledge Rekkles' possibly troubling past but put into perspective his growth. Another comment mentioned this but I would've loved to see Thorin do a video demonstrating how he's changed. It's a shame he didn't
Yeah like, why go and bring up old stuff, just to make someone feel bad, create drama around him. Knowing that he struggles with anxiety. Also researching autism, ehich we know Rekkles has been diagnosed with, it explains many things, seeing he was undiagnosed back then and didn't recieve the therapy much needed, to navigate life better. So all I see is Thorin just being a shitbag, with no constructive criticism to give, just a bitter, even possibly jealous individual.
@@86pelezinho it's none of our business how he handles his own emotions and struggles. you can have this opinion and i can have mine. i think if he needs this space right now, let him have it. doesn't make him a bad person.
@ nice world salad , it was not an opinion it was an argument on truth base that if he truly growed as a mature individual , he wouldn quit on his team scrims because of some video a dude made on the internet and shows the flaw and lack of character rekkles has . " none of our business " this is all public information LOL
I'll save everyone the 14 minutes (watch anyways cause we support Rival here): Thorin lied. Cause the leech always lies. The fact that everyone is talking about this proves that he won, because all he ever wants is relevancy and attention.
@@killertale1538 Explain how and where Thorin said the truth. You dont even have to watch the video (I personally did tho) to know hes lying. Why? Its just his face, for 2 hours. Thats it. Skip at any point its just him rambling. No screenshots, no tweets or videos of other players saying bad things about Rekkles. Zero confirmation for everything he said. He could might as well make a video calling Rekkles a ped0 or a serial killer and just record his face talking about how "he was told" those things. Why would you believe him?
@ Thorin has decades of experience in the esports scene, has done interviews with goats of esports, and you come here and say that he's lying because of....... his face?? You are a fanboy leech.
Thats just who Thorin is. He's a scumbag. Always has been. That's why so many people have distanced themselves from him except other scumbags like Monty and Rich.
I would love to see someone doing a spiteful but incredibly nuanced and well researched hit piece on Thorin. Someone who put in the effort he never did and tries to show every side since he started his career. We all know what picture it would paint of Thorin.
Rival, man with spoon, or man with awesome dog with spoon; thank you for delivering a fully impartial review of a pro player no matter who you like. It’s a sub from me from here xx
You didn't include the most evil part of the video 53:10 where he threatens to release personal private life info and destroy his life if he even comments on thoorins vid
Even IF anything of this is true. People need to understand the pressures that a professional scene like this can create. I personally did a professional teamsport. I have screamed at teammates, I've been screamed at, I have sat there crying uncontrollably during a team meeting in utter frustration and I've seen teammates literally punch each other. These environments are insanely stressful and WILL bring out both the best and worst in people, especially when they're young. I still call every single one of those teammates my friends to this very day.
Amen. Played handball in higher leagues. We pummeled each other for the smallest mistakes and yet, we celebrated together like theres no tomorrow. I loved my OG team, we went together for 13 years in Germany. Went from the smallest league to the highest league possible as youth team (until age 17), as we started our journey as six year olds. Teamsports of any kind are stressful horroshows, that I still miss. It was the best time of my life. I am now 28 and have no time to play again. And hell, you sure can bet on it I would without skipping a heartbeat.
I feel bad for Rekkles, imagine a person making a video detailing all past mistakes and decisions of your career. He didn't even acknowledge why Rekkless even chose support as a role, because it's the exact opposite of his past self. The video is just full on hate with no journalism whatsoever.
Don't think there is anything to feel bad about if you are growing on the up and up, and have moved past the shit you did. If, due to popularity, you got away with certain behavior up to this point....its kind of unfair to the people who were slighted if they weren't allowed to express their frustrations previously. Thorin wouldn't have published this video of Rekkles if Rekkles had already taken responsibility...there would be no point to it. Rekkles has already managed to mend some relationships but that doesn't necessary mean he got around to everyone yet. When a beloved figure throws enough shit under the rug, someone will eventually tear the rug off the floor. Thoorin and others use to bitch about Niko (One of the Best Riflers in CS) for his behavior until he showed proper sign's of maturing and Niko gets credit for his growth now. The same would have happened for Rekkles (and others complained/made videos of in the past). Clearly that hasn't been the case yet. Rekkles may well be on the right path now but if recently he hasn't shown signs of progress, then people will rightly call it out regardless of how beloved you are. To each their own in that case.
After watching Caedrel and the birth of Los Ratones earlier this year, in my opinion Rekkles is one of the most mature and chilled people there. Let us also remember that, he as far as I know is pretty new to streaming and dealing with all the live content and fans, must be stressful, never mind all the scrims and and competing he has to do. Someone bringing up your past is never good as we are often different from the person we once were. Not that people are free from criticism. Bringing up someone's past and trashing them, when you suffer from anxiety is so bad, I really hope Rekkles manages to find some way to cope and improve his mental heal. As someone who has also struggled with it, it's never easy. Hope Rekkles feels better soon. Flaming someone over their personality is uncalled for especially if you've never met them and hearing about it from second hand accounts.
very ironic word salad , dude is so " mature " that he ended a stream and quit scriming because someone made a post about him 🤣 get the hell outta here
@86pelezinho Don't know about you, but if you struggling with mental health, taking time for yourself is the correct thing to do. His team won't flame him for taking time for himself. Everyone had feelings and struggles, being all macho solves nothing. Take your L take somewhere else dude
@@jonathanbosman1568 You are correct with everything you said in both comments. I'm not sure if this other random dude is trolling, or actually this bad at everything (I severely hope it's the former). If he isn't writing rage bait, then he will be pretty embarrassed once he sobers up. He's so high that he can't even write with the basic English skills of a primary school kid.
@@86pelezinho Ah. someone who is so macho, that he doesnt realize what mental stress situations can induce in people with adhd and/or autism. I have a minor form of autism and full blown adhd, this is such a unspoken topic on this planet, that my psycho-doc #1 tried to kill me with willingy bad prescription meds and #2 wanted to put into a mental asylum as permanent resident. And I can absolutely understand rekky. This situation induces such a brutally strong anxiety, that we can expect, to a certain degree, to stop streaming altogether and leave LR. This is how emotional and anxious we can get. Fucking dimwit.
Hey Rival, ty for making this video explaining this whole situation. I couldn't bear watching Thorin's video (i didn't even try) and I didn't even want to give him my view
this has to be a joke. He didn't even talk about a major part of the video, rekkles's time in G2 and 2nd time in fnc... This is just your typical click bait reaction video to farm interaction.
@Refi_Van best part is that it's not even Thorin, just another person who can't stop himself from hating. A kindred spirit to that pathetic 40-year old if you will
Second comment: God, Broxah's and Bwipo's reactions break my heart. When they played together you could see the genuine happiness and joy they sparked in each other, how much they care...
I was told that the way the person on the beggining speaks, apparently sounds like a spell issued supposedly by the biggest (by what I heard) yapper in the scene, apperently... but that supposedly is just what I was told.. they say...
i have sources telling me that supposedly thorin is perhaps a very unlikeable and angry old man, who is supposedly mad at life and therefore, allegedly, is lashing out at others more fortunate than himself
The unsettling thing for me is that, while everything Thorin says might be true (and it probably is), we are talking about events that happened YEARS ago. So the fact that he is bringing this up NOW, is without a doubt because Rekkles is in the spotlight right now and having a great time, and for some reason, Thorin is jealous of that and has to find a way to ruin it for everyone. The worst part is that none of the mentioned incidents are really that bad; we are talking about a teenager who used to be stubborn, had a little big of an ego and was a little confrontational. Isn't that the definition of being a teenager? Meanwhile, we have a 40yo acting like a teenager and "snitching" and being jealous of someone who is now role model, great teammate and who is in a very happy moment in their lives. Shameful behaviour...
This video would made sense if he made it in 2022 or 2023 but now it feels forced. Problem with old Rekkles was toxic side of hes fanbays. Things that Rekkles got away with it people like Forgiven or Dardoch ware punished for. Dude imrpoved and desrves props.
@@MoriartyS07 He's addressed that from time to time over the months. I think the biggest thing is the level of shit-slinging and hate from fandoms has stopped people from giving him the OK and as we can see, for good reason.
@@colin5197 Seems to be quite the effort for something that happened years (5+) ago and isn't even relevant anymore. Thorin wastes away his life in the pursuit to ruin other people's lives. He's a pitiful person that doesn't deserve any attention
I mean "This is how you do journalism" as Rivals does extensive research and provides sources for everything within his videos. Compared to the nearly 2hours of incoherent rambling and raging. Full of "I was told", "Supposingly" and "Apparently". Thorin at this point is just rage bait fuel drama, he is just sensationalism under the guise of reporting real news.
@@86pelezinho Please do not write comments as if you have even 1 out of the 100 basic human skills required to assess this situation correctly. Try to reflect and gain self awareness. That is the best advice I can give you.
I have basically no idea who Rekkles is, but as someone with ADHD induced social anxiety I'm really feeling bad for the guy. I get anxious about just making small talk or asking simple questions because I feel like I might come out as rude, stupid etc. I can't even begin to imagine what it's like being on the spectrum and having an actual hit piece made of you. There was a time I'd get panic attacks from way, way less. Everyone does stupid things when they're young, but as long as you grow past it I think people should just forgive, forget and move on. And if the level of accusations is, "Bro sat in a bush instead of dying under tower even when its good", I think its safe to say that he didn't do anything remotely unforgivable. Which makes the whole "exposé" completely uncalled for.
thank you for the amazing summary and content as always! you always make sure to know what your opinion is but not share it and let facts talk that is amazing keep up the amazing work!
As someone with Asperger's, a form of Autism, I do genuinely feel for Rekkles on how he feels, especially on the anxiety forefront. Truly it is suffocating, akin to jumping toe first into a pool of cold water, and damning as the anxiety is as you're unable to properly focus or accomplish much of anything; pressures of an abyss-like form surrounding you at all corners into a compression. I hope Rekkles is able to find some form of comfort, able to relax, and recover from the troubling anxiety!
I've seen videos talking about literal serial killers that were less than 2 hours, this guy is 42 making a 2 hour video on someone who was a teenager because he didn't play a video game to his standards.
@@86pelezinho I'm gonna stop replying to you now, because you're either seriously in need of mental healthcare treatments, or you're just rage baiting. Either way, you need to take action for your own life. Please take care of yourself. Your behaviour in just this comment section alone is indicating a lot of potential problems you might need to look into. Even if you don't realise it, I really hope you can get some help soon before you get any worse. Good luck. Talk to a doctor.
I feel horrible for rekkles, the fact that decade old bits of so called "evidence" are what's being used to try and tear him down is infuriating. All for some 40 year old has been to try and feel relevant again. Fuck Thorin. Side note: I understand it's a little inappropriate given the circumstances but seeing rekkles in a Tottenham shirt makes me love him that much more. Favourite player in the entire pro scene by a mile 🤍
This hitpiece is very similar to if someone made a video about me that "When he was suicidally depressed and someone triggered his PTSD flashbacks from bullying, he crashed out and yelled mean things to people!" What a shocker. Truly one of the "exposés" of all time. Didn't change my perception of Rekkles at all, but definitely did change my perception on Thorin.
I think that Thorin just can't comprehend that some people, unlike him, are capable of growth and change. Some of the things he said in his video were true... 10 years ago.
what a growth that rekkles guy had, 10 year career of gaslighting, manipulating his teamates, what a great guy, good thing that karmine corp stuff was 10 years ago, uff
@PostonPL Where are you getting this info about gaslighting and manipulating? I couldn't find a single clip of his former or current teammates saying anything like this about him.
@@throwaway_college_account How stupid can you actually be? No one is going to come out and speak out against rekkles because of the backlash they would receive due to his popularity. That's why they go to thorin in confidence. The fact none of these pro players are denying any of the claims and instead are focusing on defending his character now says enough. And he was on KC like 2 years ago mate... not 10. The stories are from events 2-10 years ago.
@colin5197 I ain't buying that story only because Los Ratones have players like Nemesis, who is already flaming their bad drafts like it's a solo q game, and bausffs who has 0 filter. If rekless did so much as stealing a canon minion, he would flame him on stream next game. You also have bwipo who's willing to flame the entirety of NA and EU, but won't talk bad about rekkles?
So at 8:00 he talk about specific games, specific situations, but in a 'years in the making' exposing video he doesn't provide the clips, but itstead just rants? :D
@@Habeev07 But he is not successful doing so. If his motivation for being an ass is not money but actually just because he wants to, that says a lot about him.
Even if he did, he's just kind of a shitty person so i don't think it would help too much with the reputation he holds. For most people, regardless of effort, he's just a grifter, and Esports is relatively a small industry.
dude...i can hate someone for 1 minute before losing intrest, cooling down and looking at myself from a 3rd person perspective. Hating for years is insane work.
@@86pelezinho There was not even an argument given. Please get off the internet and think about your life for at least 30 mins or more. You are not doing anything well.
@@86pelezinho ....No? There is no strawman, it is an observation. @endymion9364 stated how he feels about this and how treats these kind of "acts", while Thorin spent years upon years hating Rekkles. It is not an argument nor a strawman. Edit: rereading it is just straight up unveils a fact here: You are incredibly stupid.
I think the issue is not that Thorin is telling lies, because say what you want that guy always held up journalistic standards. The main issue for me is that the vast majority of things he said are not even close to the massive "exposed" it is framed as. At this point we know that Rekkles was hard to work with, we know that it was the worst when he was still young and we also know that he has mental health issues. Still I dont get the framing as a villain and manipulator. I kinda expected some real big reveal.
Exactlty even if all Thorin claims is true then amounts to Rekkles being hard to work with from time to time especially when he was younger. Like that amounts to basically nothing for someone was a literal superstar kid with an undiagnosed condition. Also the claimed behavior is 10+ years ago.
@@emanresUcireneG I mean to expand on the OP's point a little bit. Thorin put someone who he knows has mental health issues and has recently been through a tough period in his life through a literal panic attack all for what essentially amounts to nothing. That's the main issue really imo, cuz even if we take everything Thorin claims and say it's all true I and I believe many others are like "We don't care". It is indeed not the massive expose it was advertised as beforehand (which put Rekkles through a mental health episode). Thorin is acting like "Someone who literally already was a superstar as a kid who was in a competitive environment with at that point undiagnosed autism sometimes acted out and would be difficult to work with." Rekkles was at the highest level of competition within the game, *everybody* has outbursts/is difficult to work with from time to time at that level.
One thing I can't stand about all this is that Thorin seems to try to portray this whole video as altruistic, as if he is making this to warn current/future teammates of Rekkles' tyrannical side, but, in reality, all this is is a hit-piece against Rekkles all for Thorin to be relavent for 5 minutes, all while smearing Rekkles's name through the mud. If this was really was for an altruistic reason, we would see Thorin try to defend Rekkles, maybe even see his side of things, but it seemed he didn't even bother to reach out for some comments, and we would also have seen this video WAAYY sooner - something like 8 to 10 years sooner, where this "rampant narcissism" should/could have been apparent. I can't, and won't, defend Rekkles as I am neither someone who has met/known Rekkles, nor am I Rekkles himself, but I will call bullsh*t on this blatant, at best poor journalism and lack of empathy, or at worst a clear vendetta-fueled narcissistic hit-piece. The main question I have is, why now? 13 years of dirt collecting for this to come out when he is at his, professionally speaking, lowest point in his career, a streamer team in the EU Masters' circuit? A true journalist wouldn't have been scared of potential pro-team backlash, if that was the case. The only other option is that, it took 13 years of dirt collecting for it to accumulate into this. I don't, and can't, believe that this was a good-faith video essay trying to enlighten people to the "real Rekkles". Imagine Thorin decided to keep collecting dirt on Rekkles for another 2 years, which should amount to less than 1/5th of the information in this video, Thorin would have been gathering dirt on someone for half their life. Another point I have against Thorin's video is the clear lack of evidence presented. I get that people want to stay anonymous, especially if they are still in the industry, but every source? Not one person who had something negative to say, in the 13 years, has left the industry? None of them were willing to lend thier names to this exposé? Almost all the evidence is hearsay, with some past games and scrims information sprinkled in? And the worst part? Trying to claim psychopathy and sociopathy for some of Rekkles' past actions, knowing they are a demonised and vilified mental condition in society, but refused to talk about his Autism diagnosis - of which a lot of his behaviour is actually explained, and was undiagnosed for some portion of his career. While autism does not necessarily excuse poor behaviour, refusing to speak about his autism but still speaking about his past actions, then adding that "some people speculated that he is a psychopath or a sociopath because of his actions" is, once again, either extremely poor journalism, or down-right blatant libel. The most ironic thing about this whole thing is that, while Thorin speculated/insinuated that Rekkles was/is a narcisstic pycho/sociopath, everything Thorin has done in his video aligns closer to textbook narcissism and sociopathy. Regardless of how true the statements are, they are his past - recent and current teammates and surrounding staff have taken to his defence, and that's the most important thing. If I were Rekkles, I would be contacting solicitors to see what I could do about this defamatory video. If Rekkles ends up reading this: Keep your head up, even if this is your past, your future is yours to shape
So Rekkless makes a tweet talking about how he has received unjust treatment in Fnatic and G2. How KC and T1 were the only ones to support “his truth” and how he had essentially been canceled for no reason. That’s why Thoorin made this video. If you watch Thoorins video, hypocrisy is the thing he hates the most, so he decided to make this video after Rekkless made that tweet.
bro caedral should file a lawsuit for stressing and causing damage to the LR because of thorin. Rekky is stressing so much to the point where he cant scrim because of this stoopid.
esports as it finest, community would rather defend disturbing individual and gaslight his victims that it didnt happen and then double digit iq morons like you wonder why ppl dont go public with staff like this, but you do you and wonder why no one is gonna file a lawsuit or say that thorin did lie, its almost like everyone already knew what rekkles was all along
Caedral doesn't have unlimited funds like T1 does. Clearly, Thorin started this mess when Rekklas left T1 because he knew fighting T1 in a legal battle was not going to end well for him. So, of course, he attacks Rekklas when a multi-billion dollar company isn't shielding him anymore.
@@N_May1 very fair point, but i fucking hate the fact that he is getting away with this. What in the actual fuck is this?? Something has to be done here
My personal guess is that Thorin bet a lot of money against LR, in my country its 1:15 ratio. If he bet like idk 100grand, he would have one and a half milion money.
If any of that is true, then Thorin is liable for up to multiple possible lawsuits. Even without your context, Thorin causing Rekkles to lose revenue based on false information is objectively slander and able to be sued for.
@@PostonPL They don't get that mate. They just repeat what their told to say and think. They don't understand what a reputation is because none of the people they follow have one.
rekkles once made a thankful tweet to younger fangirl me thanking for a letter i wrote him.... hes also always been super nice when i met him at lec, also saying things like "its nice to see you again!" after a year. hes such a kind person..
If I am getting this right, Rekkles who is now autistic in less than a year ago is getting “past controversies” when he wasn’t even drinking age yet. And you have Thorin who looks like he watched Geeks and Gamers and probably screams “woke” is making a controversy for nothing
as someone who is not neurotypical and has issues w anxiety too ik how it feels to be so “different” and “unlikeable” to “normal” people, its so terrifying even as just a normal person. I can’t begin to imagine what reckles has to go through especially in such a large spotlight. I hope everyone around reckles can be supportive, kind, and understanding towards reckles
"Supposedly, I have heard, that supposedly, I am told, and have been told, by people telling me, that there's information presented to me, by people who know him telling me, that supposedly, they know him so they told me" Literally no one backed him up or supported any of the claims, so I wanna know who those supposed people are that told him so much crap about Rekkles
@ misuse autism as a shield for their behavior, it not only undermines the experiences of those genuinely affected by the condition . thorin literally exposes that in his video
@@86pelezinho so if someone in the Esport scene on day say, without any proof whatsoever, that he hard from « trusted sources » that Thorin is a pdfile that abuses little girl, we should give credibility to that without asking for proof? That doesn’t seem right to me, and if that happens I’d defend Thorin. My point is the burden of proof is on the accuser. No one, no matter the reputation, can slander someone without backing it up, and expect not to face backlash.
As of right now, Rekkles is still absent from Los Ratones scrims. I'm watching Caedrel on Lulu.
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Joe Marsh, T1 CEO has responded. This is relevant because he was Rekkles last professional boss before Caedrel:
"I can’t speak to Martin as an 18-year-old, but as a 28-year-old, he was a fantastic person and teammate.
"Our experience with him at T1 was overwhelmingly positive. During Worlds 2024, as part of our main roster, the team genuinely enjoyed having him around. I’ll never forget our conversation backstage before the trophy ceremony about his next step with Los Ratones and his good friend Caedrel. He will always have a home in Korea with T1-Martin is family."
Thorin has also responded in a statement to Dot eSports:
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Thorin:
"I can only address specific instances of his team-mates speaking out so I will do so according to each individual case.
I don’t think Broxah is lying and I think he is well within his rights to express himself on this matter however he pleases and I don’t doubt his experiences. My issue with his statement is that he suggested I went back and got the information from “some randoms that think they know [Rekkles]”.
I got my information from people who were in the room with him when the events in question played out and, as I reiterated in the Nemesis section, what I published is their account of those events and I used traditional journalistic methods of cross-referencing blind to confirm this was a shared sentiment.
I’m confused as how to how you can even interpret Bwipo’s statements as being a denial of the claims made. It appears he simply now has a different perspective on who Rekkles was back then and how he relates to him now. That seems entirely valid to me and Bwipo is someone who has, quite recently, publicly struggled with issues regarding his own behaviour. So I imagine he is in a reflective mood and apt to be more generous that he might once have been.
He has always struck me as an earnest and honest person, just like Broxah, despite us having publicly clashed and disagreed on many topics. It’s one of the reasons I took some of his outbursts before Worlds to be a sign of mental fatigue or anguish as opposed to simply him “trash talking” former team-mates.
I can summarise my thoughts on team-mates speaking out as follows: I don’t claim to have spoken to or for everyone who has worked with Rekkles in his career. In every team there will be different alliances, disputes and sentiments that are not all collectively shared by the entire group.
What I will say is that I have never lied in my entire 23 year professional career and when it comes to dealing with sources I both protect them fiercely and vet them vigorously. What I published is a faithful and honest account of multiple people working with Rekkles in every era of his career and that information was transmitted to me within the last year and a half.
A key motivating factor for me publishing the piece is that so many of the people who were around Rekkles were tired of and even in some cases sickened by having to put up a facade that their experience with him was pleasant or that they liked him and think how he behaved was acceptable.
As I explained early in the video they felt as if speaking out would simply stain their reputation, due to his sheer popularity and good will with the general fanbase, and lead to them being harassed by hostile comments online.
I think the public response to my publication of their accounts, hours before anyone had seen the video no less, validates their expectations in that sense. I’m willing to be the shield that tanks said hostility for the sake of getting their stories and perspectives out there.
Many people felt they had to bottle up their emotions and suppress their negative experiences for the sake of maintaining a fan perception of Rekkles. That has now ended and people are welcome to believe whatever they please. My track record of honesty and credibility in this industry speaks for itself."
Source: dotesports.com/league-of-legends/news/t1-former-fnatic-teammates-defend-rekkles-amid-narcissistic-diva-allegations
Your video summary has been extremely helpful. Just went and reported Thorin's video for harassment.
Ah yes the eSports Himself Thorin.. right.. not even the smallest journalistic integrity to get his side or story from the man himself..
Emphasis mine: "My track record of honesty and CREDIBILITY in this industry speaks for itself."
Lmao exactly, Thorin is one of the less credible person in the League scene, and that video speaks for itself.
"I got my information from people who were in the room with him when the events in question played out"
"I don’t claim to have spoken to or for everyone who has worked with Rekkles in his career."
I dunno, maybe I'm dumb, but doesn't the second statement contradict the first one?
@@Thomas_BjornssonUnfortunately no not really. He’s saying he has primary sources, those with first hand experience. But this does not mean he’s gotten every single perspective on those “events in question” which is what the second statement says.
So no contradiction in this case.
2:52. Misinformation. Caedrel's only peaked at Bronze 3
HesRight
HAH BRONZE 3 MYCOUCH
MyCoach xdd
xddmycoach
@@Wharu17 HesTaight
I heard that Rival is supposedly, according to some sources, from their experiences, is a Riven main. Allegedly.
I was told
Perchance
Supposedly
Pin this man already!
@@h3h3h3- you cant just say perchance!
Ive met him (rekkles) in 2023 in amsterdam, said hi to him and he turned around and had nice talk and he even said lets take a seat and have a talk, thats how nice of a person he is!
The idea that you are referring to Thorinn is hella funny LMAO
@@engryfill9047 i was thinking exactly the same thing 😂
Watch him actually be referring to Thorin, if this story is even true.
@@SuperAllelujah ?? What are u on about
@@engryfill9047 speaking about rekkles ofcourse
“41 year old gossiping like stereotypical a high school girl”
yeah checks out
I can't trust old men in the esports world, they are so angry and washed in life that they feel the need to be toxic for no reason, he has such a punchable face
thorin the diva
oomf dual posted it, crayz
A stereotypical high school girl would have more evidence than him tho
thorin has always been a slimy bastard. i don't understand why he gets any attention or why he is allowed to be on analyst desks in both cs and league. in cs he would never let go of how niko is a horrible human being and a terrible person to be around, yet for example now when you see him leaving g2, there is a video of monesy saying goodbye to him and crying his ass off lmao. of course the guy is by no means perfect, and it goes without saying that a bosnian guy is gonna say things that he isnt supposed to say from time to time and get very angry about things, but such is life, overall niko is clearly a decent guy, and very similar to rekkles when it comes to how they view themselves and their role within teams which is perfectly reasonable.
Crazy that thorin would put out such a video when i actually heard he supposedly robbed a homeless man, kicked a puppy and spat on a grandma unprovoked. Supposedly he was also allegdly pressuring fans into sending him money. I also heard he was supposedly speaking bad about someone he knew once just because of their skin color. Allegdly he also did this repeatedly to several others is what i have heard was supposedly allegedly the case. Due to privacy reasons i won't say who told me these things.
I was allegedly told the same
I've supposedly heard the same exact thing. Lets not forget about the time Thorin supposedly courted Nikacado Avocado and stole all his food until he was skinny again.
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He is not saying he is a bad person. He is stating facts. He has autism, maybe it's related. People are not mad because Thorin is lying. People are mad because Thorin is saying the truth but the truth hurts because poor autistic Rekkles doesn't deserve this. lol.
@@YouSurfin So for you basically Thorin is like a man that hate blind man because he is blind and say bad word about his blindness. And people mad to Thorin because he say that. Yeah maybe Thorin not bad guy, but maybe he is just lack of empathy.
41 years old by the way.
That's fuckin' embarrasing, tbh
@@franki1990 Its sad... Imagine being a 41 year old man with a family and hating on rekkles for the past 10 years since he was 15. And then have a nerve to talk about sociopathic behaviour. I hope he gets whats coming to him this time. Community hates him alerady now he really needs to get booted of riot games team.
@@st1llfr338Pretty sure thorin does not have a family. He’s been outspoken loner when I last watched him (pre covid)
I don't understand what age has to do with anything. You do know that one day you'll be 41 right? And you'll probably still be following Esports and playing video games.
@@DonRaynor i can't even imagine a guy like him having a family lmao
You mean that a 16 year old kid with autism in an esports setting acted out? Crazy I never would've guessed. Rekkles is an amazing person, Thorin just wants his 15 minutes of infamy riding on the coat tails of people better than him.
Also lets say that everything Thorin said is true, despite no evidence and the video is just his face for 2 hours talking about "supposedly". Did he really think people would care? Like am I seriously supposed to gasp and feel betrayed that Rekkles didnt pick Kaisa adc in a scrim game 4 years ago or some shit? Wtf was the idea here 😂 nobody even cares. People forgave others for being drug addicts, abusive, drunks....and he thinks he is gonna destroy his career by exposing tru a videogame🤣🤣
@kallison2906 And unfortunately, it worked. Despite Thorin consistently proving that hes a disingenuous attention-seeking manchild, like Keemstar, he continues to be relevant only because others legitimize him with coverage and interactions.
I'm pretty sure 99% of league players had a similar or worse crash out during a silver 2 ranked game when they were younger. I sure as hell had some crazy crashouts at 15.
@@glenndiddy 20-21*
Then Why 16 years old autistic person was allowed in pro?!
Supposedly, I've heard that it's alleged that Thorin doesn't like Rekkles.
I've heard him say such things for years, but I'm never sure why.
I have understood that its because Rekkless didn’t give him interviews during his early years (first FNC stint)
Is that what you've been told or?
@@sporkcheese6649 No no, that is what I was supposedly told.
@sporkcheese6649 if alleged statements are good enough for Thorin's video, then it's good enough for the comments.
Even if all of what thorin said is true it doesn't really matter. People can change he's not the same kid he was 12 years ago.
As an old counterstrike fan, sad to see thorin is still around being a nuisance in another community.
I first learned of Thorin after he showed up in a podcast with Montecristo, a former LoL caster. Both of them spent the entire hour spewing unsubstantiated slander against other people in the industry and since then I've never seen or heard anything remotely positive about the guy. It seems his entire schtick is framing slanderous hearsay and horrible allegations as hard evidence, using a "no smoke without fire" approach to argue that, if people (him) are talking about it, something must be true.
@@SpiceCh You sound extremely misinformed.
He has too otherwise he can't pay rent anymore
@@colin5197 and you sound like someone whose response to something they disagree with is to insult them instead of providing a reason to try and convince them of your own opinion.
I've watched plenty of thorin's own content and seen plenty of his desperate clout chasing grifting on Twitter to inform my opinion that he's an asshole. You've provided zero reasons to believe the contrary.
@@SpiceCh bro just said you were misinformed, they didn’t insult your character lmao
“He hates losing and used to have mental breakdowns if he lost”
“He used to deliberately run it down and lose games if he didn’t get his way”
Holy contradiction Batman.
Not really - obviously people who hate losing only hate it when they're - you know - actually trying to win, which is typically what you'd assume people would be doing.
@ That literally makes no sense. Rekkles hated losing so much teammates had to let him win everything and if he didn’t, he would deliberately int stage games… games he would be trying to win.
Also the fact that everyone said he was a professional and a hard worker but in the same breath allegedly said he was immature and would throw all his toys out of the pram and stop working if he thought things weren’t going his way. Those things are opposite, someone is not professional and one of the hardest working players, if they act like a child and give up at the first sign of losing or trouble.
It’s contradictory… because it’s over embellished nonsense.
respectfully, this tracks for a league player. losing feels different when you actually try to win versus deciding the game is lost at draft and running it down until ff15
@@justinjonesphd The problem is it makes no sense when everyone said he was not only hard working but a consummate professional… so he was a professional who ran it down randomly?
@@emanresUcireneG read the comment, its a direct contradiction to all the points he tries to make, every time he tries for a gotcha he dials back with a different statement that proves the previous one as false XD
7:05
"hes such an ego player"
"he doesnt ask for resources"
make it make sense
yea these contradictions and accusations are crazy. Thorin must have used AI for the script lol
@@DatMalik on top of, refused to pick a champion in a competitive game if he didnt have 50 games on it. Brother his job is to win, not to first pick them in a worlds match. Why on gods green earth would you ever want your players to play a champion they haven't had time to practise?
He has such a big ego he thinks he doesn't need gold on a carry! /s
Or
"he's such a kda player"
"he went ragefeeding 0/8 in this one game"
Lots of headscratchers there.
Just to say Reekles is famous to be a very safe player
But where the fuck is that a problem
Even if you take your statement don't all LoL player are ego player (at least 80%) and if he pops of as often as he did without asking for ressources, what a player
Appreciate you putting this video together, I didn't want to touch thorin's video in any sense to give it any kind of recognition so it's nice to get some context. Thorin has always relied on loud, anger motivated content for his brand so I didn't expect to get much real evidence out of the video. Hope Rekkles is able to return soon and everyone puts this video and Thorin behind them.
Exactly that!
report thorins youtube account for harrasment :)
@srensen3081 you might not like the person but false flagging is crazy do better
@@TheXxemarosaxx Is it false flagging? He personnaly attacks a person he don't know and suffering from high anxiety with "supposedly" stuff he "may" have done in the past at 15 years old?
For me, it's no different from harassement here.
@@Masterpouya he isn’t attacking anyone he is calling out the behavior of someone who is 28 not 15 btw. If you think this is harassment then no one can ever comment on anyone or make any videos or content about anyone
Supposedly this video is gonna be a banger
that's what your dad said when he saw your new dad lol
@@24Dodgers edgy
@@24Dodgershis dad said “Supposedly this video is gonna be a banger” after seeing his step-dad…? What are you on about?
He is not saying he is a bad person. He is stating facts. He has autism, maybe it's related. People are not mad because Thorin is lying. People are mad because Thorin is saying the truth but the truth hurts because poor autistic Rekkles doesn't deserve this. lol.
@@YouSurfin his entire fanbase are exactly like him. They all know he's fake but they see that as a virtue. They talk openly how being fake helps with their 'anxiety'. What a crutch has this word become.
years ago i made a comment about rekkles's eyebrows, and they read it to him in a "mean tweets" video. i still feel bad about that shit. i cant imagine harboring so much hate towards someone you havent even met, for years.
YOURE THE EYEBROWS GUY NOW EVERYONE KNOWS GET HIM .. jk m8 cheers. wish thorin was as self aware as you are about your past actions
but hey at least you matured as a person and regret it now. im sure you would apologize to him if you could, so yay you
I feel you dude. Sometimes you just say shit w/o thinking how it will make other people feel. And when you do say something stupid w/o any intention towards some1 else and you see their face when they hear it and how it makes them feel it kinda changes you.
I've never really watched the streams of Rekkles, but whenever I tuned in it was mostly a chill vibe, he is just a guy who knows what making mistakes feels like, he knows what it feels like to be in a dark place, and allegedly, from what I've been told, he's just trying his best to succeed in a tough world, like all of us. Mayhaps.
Thorin kinda’ guy to spill a glass of milk on the floor and say “oh n-no, not my milk!”
and then blame rekkles for it
Bruh aren't we all that guy!! :( I would cry if I spilt my glass of milk :( Im not defending whoever Thorin is, I'm just saying, that's the appropiate response for spilling a glass of milk on the floor!!
HAHAHA WHAT
Based, tbh
Blame Rekkles for it and the glass told him that Rekkles hated the glass and milk.
Like Bwipo said, we were all young and made mistakes.
Can't we just appreciate who Rekkles is today and how incredible he has become as a teammate overall?
Brining up someone's petty past is genuinely pathetic. Justice for Rekkles.
Honestly if Rekkles was a drug addict and a trash person or whatever I STILL wouldnt care lmao. Who cares? Past is past, hes clearly an awsome person. And this guy is trying to bury him over "he didnt play well in this videogame years ago hes a sociopath!!!!"
like wtf, Even if all the allegations turn out to be true, like I said couldnt care less. Its just a game, and Rekkles clearly changed. Why does it matter if he was "selfish" or whatever years ago if hes not now. Hes a team player and admits his mistakes clearly not a sociopath,
Im really struggling to see the point of making that video. What did he think would happen? He has 0 proof its just his face in front of a camera rambling "supposedly this and that" why would anyone believe him. Even if he did have video of screenshots of things Rekkles allegedly did, what did he think would happen? That people would say: "OMG Rekkles didnt play Kaisa adc 5 years ago in scrims, yup I cant watch this sociopath" lmao like wtf 😂
@K_Petar >Im really struggling to see the point of making that video
cuz there is only one perspective on who rekkles is exists - fanboish "perfect poster boy what a good guy struggling with his mentall issues"
he gives you another which makes rekkles just a human being instead of what we got now
is it really that hard to understand?
it is not to cancel rekkles or destroy his career just to fight media narrative about him
@K_Petar The point is that Thorin chanenl is dying ( if not dead already), he's trying to latch on to LR popularity to stay relevance and revive his "journalist career", squeeze 50$ out of the video to pay his rent due this Sunday.
@@Go0dToBeBad Thorin is clearly trying to get clout from this, no other reason to make it other than just disliking rekkles
@@glenndiddy Thorin made a career off ragebaiting esports fans, it is what it is.
Such a vile thing to do when Thorin doesn't even know Rekkles and never spoke to him about ANYTHING
Thorin has talked to him before.
That's who Thorin is. He's always been a piece of shit. That's why everyone has distanced themselves from him except other pieces of shit, like Monty and Rich.
@@PlumpsHubris So he's lying in the video when he says he hadn't?
@@PlumpsHubrisdidn't he just admit in that hard hitting vid that he never once talked with Rekkles in any kind of context?
4:48
A few years ago, FNC (with rekkles) played in Rotterdam for LEC finals and did a photoshoot after. I met a friendly girl there because we were sitting next to each other in the stadium and we had fun talking during the games. We decided to take the photoshoot together. She was a massive Rekkles fan but very shy and when it was our turn she was positioned far away from him in the picture. I asked Rekkles if she could stand next to him because she is such a big fan. He replied “of course” with a warm smile and waved her over. She immediately brightened up and they talked a bit after the photo (but it was busy so we did really have to leave fast).
I don’t know him personally of course but that interaction is just printed in my mind and I’m sure he is a nice person. Call it foolish or naïeve, the smile he gave her was genuine and I refuse to see otherwise.
Ahh that's my post at 12:40, thank you for adding it to your video. It's extremely saddening to see someone so obsessed over Rekkles to the point where he will go out of his way to make low quality videos like the one he put together, just to garner some attention, without any empathy or understanding of someone who's been in the public eye since he was just a teenager. I'm not sure what Thorin's end goal is here, but it's very heartbreaking to watch.
Thorin is also mad that T1 won worlds twice in a row again because he still thinks they are bad and he doesn't understand how they "keep getting away with stuff" which led to me rolling my eyes as soon as I see his face or hear his name.
Ha same. From his take on T1 alone he already shows how much of a "journalist" he really is
Oh a T1 anti, that explains a lot
No wonder that old bone is, supposedly, really stupid
@ Yea it's really strange to me when people are trying their hardest to talk down accomplishments and point it out as "they were really lucky to get worlds finals three times in a row because others just fucked up". Which, even if it was true, others still played worse.
Even if a bad teams wins, the rest still did worse so what's the problem? The best performing team in that tournament won
He's like the worst version of IwillDominate 😂
Bwipo's clip is enough to make a grown man cry. Very short but a very mature and vulnerable way to respond to the situation
real men dont cry , quit that BS
@@86pelezinho scared of feelings, huh?
@@donvitopatata Ignore him, look at his recent comments. He has been raging and hate commenting on anything Rekkles for months. Probably Thorin's burner, but either way very weird behaviour and way too much time on his hands.
@@86pelezinho Real men know when to cry, stop being such a man wannabe, if you think "crying makes you a sissy" i have something for you, go look paint dry, it'll be the best thing you do that day
@ facts dont care about your feeling you schmock , real men dont cry not even on funerals
This could have been an interesting exploration of Rekkles' growth as a person. He's clearly in a much better place then he was 10 years ago. Great work as always Rival.
Yeah. Thorin said to draw your own conclusions and opinions as he doesn’t know to what extent are those stories true. So if they are and you see that Rekkles today is different, then that is your conclusion to make.
Thank you for supporting him Rival! As a fellow neurodivergent person I can tell how pure and authentic Rekkles is. He has so much softness and kindness in him. He doesn't deserve any of this... He deserve so much praise for how open he is about his struggles. And his stream is so lovely to watch for someone like me who' s sensitive for stimuli, its always chill vibes.
When you have to repeat that "youve been told" and "supposedly" someone did something, its most probably not true.
no, its called protecting sources from reckless fans.
@@pauliusb.4182uh oh conspiracy theorist here
As someone who has no idea who Thorin is nor what kind of content he generally makes but the dude comes off as an absolute infantile loser. To pick on AN 18 YEAR OLD REKKLESS as A (supposedly) 50 YEAR OLD MAN is insane but to HOLD THAT GRUDGE and release it when he literally just went through the worst years of his life and finally having things look up is BEYOND LUNACY. What kind of insensitive jobless boomer do you have to be to think the video a good idea? I don't care what Rekkless did in the past because he now seems like a genuinely good person but the same definitely cannot be said for this rambling idiot Thorin.
+1 to this, Thorin needs to get a job
Always up to parasocial losers like you to pretend a 28 year old man thats paid 6 digits is 18 year old kid. If you didn't watch the video he was still up with garbage antics when he was in Karmine corp.
Thorin is a 40+ year old man that once claimed he had autism as an excuse for why he's such an asshole. That's who Thorin's is 😂
I felt the same, I had no idea who that dude was, and started investigating, and found out he is just a sad man. And I said the same things Rival said. "'YEARS IN THE MAKING", and posted the most lazy video ever, who in the right mind would endure that video.
I dont think what is sadder, Thorin or the people defending him.
Thorin is a 40+ year old man that once claimed he was autistic as an excuse for how much of a scumbag he is. That's who Thorin is.
6:40 This is an incredibly strong masking mechanism in practically every autistic/ADHD person. When you are percived as weird as a child you start masking and make you get extremly scared that someone will dislike you and the anxiaty is damning.
Exactly. In my experience most autistic/ADHD people have social anxiety, since they most likely were lied to in their past about whether or not people liked them or wanted to hang out with them for the sake of "social etiquette", meaning that moments like these often re-open that pandora's box of "everyone hates me and is just pretending otherwise", even if it's only one person. Having audhd myself I'm impressed with how he responded (distancing himself from the situation and communicating he was gonna be on break for the day). That's harder than it looks.
@@Nixahma It is, I am scared of saying I need some space, as I believe for some reason the people could get angry as they interpret it as you not liking them/lazy etc. And while yes this is like The One Thing where yes, the critique makes sence, the one thing not a total bullshit in the video, but it should be a critique of people that got him to be like that, not Martin him self.
"Anxiety led a checkered career in modern culture. It became fashionable. People go around cultivating their anxiety.
As a matter of fact, anxiety, is simply our human existence, in its contingency, coming to the level of consciousness, vibrating through us.
The other modern attitude, which is, in part, the result of being a technical society, which commands certain instruments. We have the command of drugs, remedies of various kinds. We imagine that there should be some instrument or means by which we can simply press a button and get rid of our anxieties. That they are not something that need to be faced or lived through.
Either extreme is rather unfortunate. Anxiety is simply part of the human condition. There are all sorts of modes of anxiety and in some forms it has the kind of peacefulness of a creative yearning. If we weren't anxious we would never create anything."
@ I am sorry, I am not sure what you're trying to say.
Yeah I don't see how this particular point was... Weird or a shocker. Everyone does this as well, to a lesser extent. People want to fit in.
Not willing to give him the ad rev for my view so this video is exactly what I need.
keep living in a echo chamber
@86pelezinho will do buckaroo ^^
@@86pelezinho Keep living in Thorin's and in your own echo chamber
@@Riceisgood777 You kinda both live in eacho chamber. Thoorin vid was poorly made and he didnt bringed clips from episodes ware he talked with people who had problems with Rekkles. Rekkles improved so that video feels out of place. TLDR Rekkles wasnt perfect but dude worked on himself. Thoorin vid would made mutch more sense in 2022 or 2023 when Rekkles atcualy talked shit about orgs / people.
I was fan of Rekkles back in hes adc days specificly i watched him a lot in 2015 and 2018 days,. Dude is GOAT of EU adcs.
TLDR : If it was any other player like Perkz or Dardoch than people wouldnt made so mucth big of a fuss about it. What was the biggest enemy for Rekkles was POV of hes psycho side of hes fanbays.
Thoorin shouldnt made that vid on him now when Rekkles was acting good.
@@MoriartyS07I am curious about this Rekkles attitude you are referring to and the teammates who complained about his toxicity. Any source, vid or keyword to search?
"i have never met Rekkles in person, nor have i ever talked with him publicly or privately"
The video just shouldve ended there, ranting for almost 2 hours about someone youve never MET or TALKED to, is a concerning type of obsession
Bro I'm so disconnected with the world... Imagine a 40 year old dude ranting about how some guy mistreated him in a game is world news
Gonna report Thorin's video for intimidation and harassment, cause that's literally what it is, releasing an hour long rant about a guy he's never talked to
He literally said he may release personal info of Rekkles if Rekkles does something he dosnt like as an answer to the vid.
@@orangecardman7905 Rekkless should just sue him and be done with it.
@@orangecardman7905So Thorin is going to dox Rekkles just for fame and money?
Guy is a loser and needs to be deplatformed.
@@orangecardman7905 isn't that blackmail at this point?
"about a guy he's never talked to" lmao like vast majority of journalists writing about any subject?
Wait until Thorin is told about Tyler1's past self, a banger I suppose.
nah he would never dare go after Tyler,Tyler would eat him alive,Thorin is a coward,always has been.
Sorry he only goes after teenagers
@@Scarlet_moon. Thorin definitely did not expect the backlash he is getting. Hopefully this is majorly career ending for Thorin.
@AzraelxRuin he probably did, any publicity is good publicity as they say..
@AzraelxRuin if you see his YT channel, his carreer's been over for a while. the rekkles video is his only way to gain some relevancy
Poor Rekkles man. I can really empathise with that kind of anxiety, of fearing that people will hate you or that you'll dissapoint them, and the worst thing is when someone preys on that anxiety. Hope he knows that for each one hater he has hundreds of people supporting him and that know he's a great guy.
I'm sure he loves knowing how many sheep he has as followers
thank You rival, You always deliver great the news
I can always count on the most handsome league content creator and best riven player out there to be honest, funny, objective and logical, and real. Thank you rival for always being an honest voice in the community and not clickbait bs.
Thank god for you Rival this is legendary. Thorins behaviour is literally disgusting.
I was never a fan of Rekkles as a player but you have to respect him and his legacy. Dont need to love the guy but he deserves respect for what he did in the LOL scene regardless of personal feelings. Hope this blows over with no negative outcomes for Rekkles.
rekless is the most humble and serious when playing scrims he is tyring his best and taking it to its limits its what scrims are for his kda in games is nuts idk
for real man, anyone with a brain can see that. These trolls are just bad people.
hes faking it, everything is streamed? are u all braindead
@@fluxfl the ragebait is insane
@@termiro1793Eh I think he is somewhat faking it, it's streamed and this is somewhat some of his last chances to prove himself or it might be over so he's probably on best behavior mode.
@@legischafing7 it's quite obviously not completely genuine from his excessive apologising etc
Dear Thorin,
If you have ever felt anxiety, distress, uncertainty, or anything else that made your life miserable, I hope you take a moment, in your happiest times, to see what it feels like to be treated the way you are treating others now. We all have a past-it may not be the same for everyone, but we’ve all grown from it.
Rekkles is trying to find and fix himself. If you have truly followed him through the years, you can see he’s much happier now than before. Do not take that from him. Do not steal his moment. Do not try to grab the spotlight that isn’t yours. Let him be happy. Let him enjoy his life. Let him be himself.
He chose Los Ratones because he wants to explore new opportunities. Now, with LR, he is more talkative and happier than ever. Whatever happened before doesn’t define him today. It may be a part of him, but only he can choose when to mention it-not someone who doesn’t know him.
I hope you truly understand what it means to move forward and respect those who are doing the same.
You are the most d*sgusting person I know in this industry.
bwipos words almost made me tear up, love the support
I like how you were able to acknowledge Rekkles' possibly troubling past but put into perspective his growth. Another comment mentioned this but I would've loved to see Thorin do a video demonstrating how he's changed. It's a shame he didn't
Yeah like, why go and bring up old stuff, just to make someone feel bad, create drama around him. Knowing that he struggles with anxiety. Also researching autism, ehich we know Rekkles has been diagnosed with, it explains many things, seeing he was undiagnosed back then and didn't recieve the therapy much needed, to navigate life better. So all I see is Thorin just being a shitbag, with no constructive criticism to give, just a bitter, even possibly jealous individual.
his growth such as quitting streaming and leaving scrims because someone made a video about him LoL
@@86pelezinho it's none of our business how he handles his own emotions and struggles. you can have this opinion and i can have mine. i think if he needs this space right now, let him have it. doesn't make him a bad person.
@@86pelezinho You have zero basic human empathy. You also have zero understanding of mental disorders. Please gain both before commenting again.
@ nice world salad , it was not an opinion it was an argument on truth base that if he truly growed as a mature individual , he wouldn quit on his team scrims because of some video a dude made on the internet and shows the flaw and lack of character rekkles has . " none of our business " this is all public information LOL
I'll save everyone the 14 minutes (watch anyways cause we support Rival here): Thorin lied. Cause the leech always lies. The fact that everyone is talking about this proves that he won, because all he ever wants is relevancy and attention.
Explain how and where Thorin lied
@@killertale1538 Judging people without even talking to the guy in the first place.
This is not a serial murder, it's an entertainment business.
@@killertale1538 Explain how and where Thorin said the truth. You dont even have to watch the video (I personally did tho) to know hes lying. Why? Its just his face, for 2 hours. Thats it. Skip at any point its just him rambling. No screenshots, no tweets or videos of other players saying bad things about Rekkles. Zero confirmation for everything he said. He could might as well make a video calling Rekkles a ped0 or a serial killer and just record his face talking about how "he was told" those things. Why would you believe him?
@ Thorin has decades of experience in the esports scene, has done interviews with goats of esports, and you come here and say that he's lying because of....... his face?? You are a fanboy leech.
Thats just who Thorin is. He's a scumbag. Always has been. That's why so many people have distanced themselves from him except other scumbags like Monty and Rich.
I would love to see someone doing a spiteful but incredibly nuanced and well researched hit piece on Thorin. Someone who put in the effort he never did and tries to show every side since he started his career. We all know what picture it would paint of Thorin.
Rival, man with spoon, or man with awesome dog with spoon; thank you for delivering a fully impartial review of a pro player no matter who you like. It’s a sub from me from here xx
You didn't include the most evil part of the video 53:10 where he threatens to release personal private life info and destroy his life if he even comments on thoorins vid
Even IF anything of this is true. People need to understand the pressures that a professional scene like this can create.
I personally did a professional teamsport. I have screamed at teammates, I've been screamed at, I have sat there crying uncontrollably during a team meeting in utter frustration and I've seen teammates literally punch each other.
These environments are insanely stressful and WILL bring out both the best and worst in people, especially when they're young.
I still call every single one of those teammates my friends to this very day.
This 100%, stop the whining and suck it up 👌
Amen. Played handball in higher leagues. We pummeled each other for the smallest mistakes and yet, we celebrated together like theres no tomorrow. I loved my OG team, we went together for 13 years in Germany. Went from the smallest league to the highest league possible as youth team (until age 17), as we started our journey as six year olds. Teamsports of any kind are stressful horroshows, that I still miss. It was the best time of my life. I am now 28 and have no time to play again. And hell, you sure can bet on it I would without skipping a heartbeat.
I feel bad for Rekkles, imagine a person making a video detailing all past mistakes and decisions of your career.
He didn't even acknowledge why Rekkless even chose support as a role, because it's the exact opposite of his past self.
The video is just full on hate with no journalism whatsoever.
Don't think there is anything to feel bad about if you are growing on the up and up, and have moved past the shit you did. If, due to popularity, you got away with certain behavior up to this point....its kind of unfair to the people who were slighted if they weren't allowed to express their frustrations previously. Thorin wouldn't have published this video of Rekkles if Rekkles had already taken responsibility...there would be no point to it. Rekkles has already managed to mend some relationships but that doesn't necessary mean he got around to everyone yet. When a beloved figure throws enough shit under the rug, someone will eventually tear the rug off the floor. Thoorin and others use to bitch about Niko (One of the Best Riflers in CS) for his behavior until he showed proper sign's of maturing and Niko gets credit for his growth now. The same would have happened for Rekkles (and others complained/made videos of in the past). Clearly that hasn't been the case yet. Rekkles may well be on the right path now but if recently he hasn't shown signs of progress, then people will rightly call it out regardless of how beloved you are. To each their own in that case.
@@burdenfanWho tf is Thorin ro judge or call out other people?
@ a guy with a opinion. Same with every other person in the world who has commented on the issue.
After watching Caedrel and the birth of Los Ratones earlier this year, in my opinion Rekkles is one of the most mature and chilled people there. Let us also remember that, he as far as I know is pretty new to streaming and dealing with all the live content and fans, must be stressful, never mind all the scrims and and competing he has to do. Someone bringing up your past is never good as we are often different from the person we once were. Not that people are free from criticism. Bringing up someone's past and trashing them, when you suffer from anxiety is so bad, I really hope Rekkles manages to find some way to cope and improve his mental heal. As someone who has also struggled with it, it's never easy. Hope Rekkles feels better soon. Flaming someone over their personality is uncalled for especially if you've never met them and hearing about it from second hand accounts.
very ironic word salad , dude is so " mature " that he ended a stream and quit scriming because someone made a post about him 🤣 get the hell outta here
@86pelezinho Don't know about you, but if you struggling with mental health, taking time for yourself is the correct thing to do. His team won't flame him for taking time for himself. Everyone had feelings and struggles, being all macho solves nothing. Take your L take somewhere else dude
@@jonathanbosman1568 You are correct with everything you said in both comments. I'm not sure if this other random dude is trolling, or actually this bad at everything (I severely hope it's the former). If he isn't writing rage bait, then he will be pretty embarrassed once he sobers up. He's so high that he can't even write with the basic English skills of a primary school kid.
@@86pelezinho Ah. someone who is so macho, that he doesnt realize what mental stress situations can induce in people with adhd and/or autism. I have a minor form of autism and full blown adhd, this is such a unspoken topic on this planet, that my psycho-doc #1 tried to kill me with willingy bad prescription meds and #2 wanted to put into a mental asylum as permanent resident.
And I can absolutely understand rekky. This situation induces such a brutally strong anxiety, that we can expect, to a certain degree, to stop streaming altogether and leave LR. This is how emotional and anxious we can get. Fucking dimwit.
"my track record of honesty and credibility in this industry speaks for itself." it sure does
Correct. It's up there with Richard Lewis.
The edit is fire 🔥🔥🔥
BRODAAAH THORIN'S SHOULDER RAISES IN THESE CLIPS ALONE EARNED HIM A POUND OF MUSCLE
Hey Rival, ty for making this video explaining this whole situation. I couldn't bear watching Thorin's video (i didn't even try) and I didn't even want to give him my view
Common Rival W. Esports journalism done right
this has to be a joke. He didn't even talk about a major part of the video, rekkles's time in G2 and 2nd time in fnc...
This is just your typical click bait reaction video to farm interaction.
@@colin5197Thorin, is that you?
@@colin5197Thorin, do the world a favor and stop embarrassing yourself with clone accounts.
@Refi_Van best part is that it's not even Thorin, just another person who can't stop himself from hating. A kindred spirit to that pathetic 40-year old if you will
@midasvijfwinkel6116 Pointing out the hypocrisy in a video = hating.
Okay there cupcake.
Thorin the typa dude to climb over a glass wall just to see what's on the other side and once he realizes he made a mistake he blames rekkless for it.
the only thing i dont like about rekkles is him wearing a spurs shirt in 2:20
Spurs forever rahh 🦅
Second comment: God, Broxah's and Bwipo's reactions break my heart. When they played together you could see the genuine happiness and joy they sparked in each other, how much they care...
I was told that the way the person on the beggining speaks, apparently sounds like a spell issued supposedly by the biggest (by what I heard) yapper in the scene, apperently... but that supposedly is just what I was told.. they say...
i have sources telling me that supposedly thorin is perhaps a very unlikeable and angry old man, who is supposedly mad at life and therefore, allegedly, is lashing out at others more fortunate than himself
The unsettling thing for me is that, while everything Thorin says might be true (and it probably is), we are talking about events that happened YEARS ago. So the fact that he is bringing this up NOW, is without a doubt because Rekkles is in the spotlight right now and having a great time, and for some reason, Thorin is jealous of that and has to find a way to ruin it for everyone. The worst part is that none of the mentioned incidents are really that bad; we are talking about a teenager who used to be stubborn, had a little big of an ego and was a little confrontational. Isn't that the definition of being a teenager? Meanwhile, we have a 40yo acting like a teenager and "snitching" and being jealous of someone who is now role model, great teammate and who is in a very happy moment in their lives. Shameful behaviour...
This video would made sense if he made it in 2022 or 2023 but now it feels forced. Problem with old Rekkles was toxic side of hes fanbays. Things that Rekkles got away with it people like Forgiven or Dardoch ware punished for.
Dude imrpoved and desrves props.
@@MoriartyS07 He's addressed that from time to time over the months. I think the biggest thing is the level of shit-slinging and hate from fandoms has stopped people from giving him the OK and as we can see, for good reason.
psycho ass behavior, saying wild shit and hoping nobody calls their bluff. check mate
He literally said in the video this is information he received over the past year and a bit... How could he have released it years ago?
@@colin5197 Seems to be quite the effort for something that happened years (5+) ago and isn't even relevant anymore. Thorin wastes away his life in the pursuit to ruin other people's lives. He's a pitiful person that doesn't deserve any attention
I can't emphasize enough how great your content is and how your videos are great for the league scene.
Much love Rival you're amazing
Someone needs to do a hit piece on thorin.
Ignore Thorin. Don't give him clicks. If you wanna react send reckless support and love on his socials.
Or just report his video without clicking on it...
sure keep living in a echo chamber
Now this is how you do journalism. As always, much respect for you Rival. Keep up the amazing work, love your channel.
I mean "This is how you do journalism" as Rivals does extensive research and provides sources for everything within his videos. Compared to the nearly 2hours of incoherent rambling and raging. Full of "I was told", "Supposingly" and "Apparently". Thorin at this point is just rage bait fuel drama, he is just sensationalism under the guise of reporting real news.
you do realize he made this video as bias ? you have no clue what real journalism is
@@86pelezinho still better than thorin's vid
@ so in other words , " i concede on your argument " thank you for proving my point LOL
@@86pelezinho Please do not write comments as if you have even 1 out of the 100 basic human skills required to assess this situation correctly. Try to reflect and gain self awareness. That is the best advice I can give you.
I have basically no idea who Rekkles is, but as someone with ADHD induced social anxiety I'm really feeling bad for the guy. I get anxious about just making small talk or asking simple questions because I feel like I might come out as rude, stupid etc. I can't even begin to imagine what it's like being on the spectrum and having an actual hit piece made of you. There was a time I'd get panic attacks from way, way less. Everyone does stupid things when they're young, but as long as you grow past it I think people should just forgive, forget and move on. And if the level of accusations is, "Bro sat in a bush instead of dying under tower even when its good", I think its safe to say that he didn't do anything remotely unforgivable. Which makes the whole "exposé" completely uncalled for.
Ahaha having adhd is being on the spectrum- so ur experience directly relates to his and ur feelings are probably pretty close aha I also have adhd
thank you for the amazing summary and content as always!
you always make sure to know what your opinion is but not share it and let facts talk
that is amazing
keep up the amazing work!
As someone with Asperger's, a form of Autism, I do genuinely feel for Rekkles on how he feels, especially on the anxiety forefront. Truly it is suffocating, akin to jumping toe first into a pool of cold water, and damning as the anxiety is as you're unable to properly focus or accomplish much of anything; pressures of an abyss-like form surrounding you at all corners into a compression. I hope Rekkles is able to find some form of comfort, able to relax, and recover from the troubling anxiety!
And THIS right here is why I subscribe.
I've seen videos talking about literal serial killers that were less than 2 hours, this guy is 42 making a 2 hour video on someone who was a teenager because he didn't play a video game to his standards.
welcome to the real world where people get critisized of their performance in a professional league of a video game
@@86pelezinho I'm gonna stop replying to you now, because you're either seriously in need of mental healthcare treatments, or you're just rage baiting. Either way, you need to take action for your own life. Please take care of yourself. Your behaviour in just this comment section alone is indicating a lot of potential problems you might need to look into. Even if you don't realise it, I really hope you can get some help soon before you get any worse. Good luck. Talk to a doctor.
@@86pelezinho If he is gonna critisize he better bring up evidence cause he didnt bring any in game footage
@@AlexisNess-mn4zw learn to read i am not gona repeat myself
@@86pelezinho you are a dog indeed
I feel horrible for rekkles, the fact that decade old bits of so called "evidence" are what's being used to try and tear him down is infuriating. All for some 40 year old has been to try and feel relevant again. Fuck Thorin.
Side note: I understand it's a little inappropriate given the circumstances but seeing rekkles in a Tottenham shirt makes me love him that much more. Favourite player in the entire pro scene by a mile 🤍
Imagine releasing a 1:45 hour video just so you can stifle another player?
Reeks of jealousy tbh.
This hitpiece is very similar to if someone made a video about me that "When he was suicidally depressed and someone triggered his PTSD flashbacks from bullying, he crashed out and yelled mean things to people!"
What a shocker. Truly one of the "exposés" of all time. Didn't change my perception of Rekkles at all, but definitely did change my perception on Thorin.
I think that Thorin just can't comprehend that some people, unlike him, are capable of growth and change. Some of the things he said in his video were true... 10 years ago.
Yes a different time and different perspective Thorin is trash
what a growth that rekkles guy had, 10 year career of gaslighting, manipulating his teamates, what a great guy, good thing that karmine corp stuff was 10 years ago, uff
@PostonPL Where are you getting this info about gaslighting and manipulating? I couldn't find a single clip of his former or current teammates saying anything like this about him.
@@throwaway_college_account How stupid can you actually be? No one is going to come out and speak out against rekkles because of the backlash they would receive due to his popularity. That's why they go to thorin in confidence.
The fact none of these pro players are denying any of the claims and instead are focusing on defending his character now says enough.
And he was on KC like 2 years ago mate... not 10.
The stories are from events 2-10 years ago.
@colin5197 I ain't buying that story only because Los Ratones have players like Nemesis, who is already flaming their bad drafts like it's a solo q game, and bausffs who has 0 filter. If rekless did so much as stealing a canon minion, he would flame him on stream next game. You also have bwipo who's willing to flame the entirety of NA and EU, but won't talk bad about rekkles?
So at 8:00 he talk about specific games, specific situations, but in a 'years in the making' exposing video he doesn't provide the clips, but itstead just rants? :D
Thorin has over 200k subs but averages
He is the most knowledgeable person in all of esports. He can do whatever he wants. He earned the right to be an ass...
@@Habeev07 one of*
Richard is up there too.
@@Habeev07 But he is not successful doing so. If his motivation for being an ass is not money but actually just because he wants to, that says a lot about him.
Even if he did, he's just kind of a shitty person so i don't think it would help too much with the reputation he holds. For most people, regardless of effort, he's just a grifter, and Esports is relatively a small industry.
Thorin is like league's keemstar at this point
you know rival is serious when the 1v5 riven footage comes out.
For people unfamiliar with Thorin who might be new to league media, Thorin is like the Alex Jones of league media
Thank you for this news report on behalf of us with jobs.
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dude...i can hate someone for 1 minute before losing intrest, cooling down and looking at myself from a 3rd person perspective. Hating for years is insane work.
nice strawman
@@86pelezinho There was not even an argument given. Please get off the internet and think about your life for at least 30 mins or more. You are not doing anything well.
@ he made a strawman which was " hating for years " , il might block you you dont seem can follow arguments
@@86pelezinho ....No? There is no strawman, it is an observation. @endymion9364 stated how he feels about this and how treats these kind of "acts", while Thorin spent years upon years hating Rekkles. It is not an argument nor a strawman.
Edit: rereading it is just straight up unveils a fact here: You are incredibly stupid.
@@86pelezinho It is hating for years lmao
I ironically watch you now because of your riven gameplay.
New Riven main btw
Supposedly, someone was looking for Thorin’s address.
Allegedly. Not me though.
I think the issue is not that Thorin is telling lies, because say what you want that guy always held up journalistic standards. The main issue for me is that the vast majority of things he said are not even close to the massive "exposed" it is framed as. At this point we know that Rekkles was hard to work with, we know that it was the worst when he was still young and we also know that he has mental health issues. Still I dont get the framing as a villain and manipulator. I kinda expected some real big reveal.
Exactlty even if all Thorin claims is true then amounts to Rekkles being hard to work with from time to time especially when he was younger. Like that amounts to basically nothing for someone was a literal superstar kid with an undiagnosed condition. Also the claimed behavior is 10+ years ago.
you literally made thorins argument there and help him with it
@@86pelezinho Being hard to work with=/= manipulator fraud supervilian
So you're upset because you think he's telling... the truth?
@@emanresUcireneG I mean to expand on the OP's point a little bit. Thorin put someone who he knows has mental health issues and has recently been through a tough period in his life through a literal panic attack all for what essentially amounts to nothing. That's the main issue really imo, cuz even if we take everything Thorin claims and say it's all true I and I believe many others are like "We don't care". It is indeed not the massive expose it was advertised as beforehand (which put Rekkles through a mental health episode). Thorin is acting like "Someone who literally already was a superstar as a kid who was in a competitive environment with at that point undiagnosed autism sometimes acted out and would be difficult to work with." Rekkles was at the highest level of competition within the game, *everybody* has outbursts/is difficult to work with from time to time at that level.
One thing I can't stand about all this is that Thorin seems to try to portray this whole video as altruistic, as if he is making this to warn current/future teammates of Rekkles' tyrannical side, but, in reality, all this is is a hit-piece against Rekkles all for Thorin to be relavent for 5 minutes, all while smearing Rekkles's name through the mud. If this was really was for an altruistic reason, we would see Thorin try to defend Rekkles, maybe even see his side of things, but it seemed he didn't even bother to reach out for some comments, and we would also have seen this video WAAYY sooner - something like 8 to 10 years sooner, where this "rampant narcissism" should/could have been apparent.
I can't, and won't, defend Rekkles as I am neither someone who has met/known Rekkles, nor am I Rekkles himself, but I will call bullsh*t on this blatant, at best poor journalism and lack of empathy, or at worst a clear vendetta-fueled narcissistic hit-piece. The main question I have is, why now? 13 years of dirt collecting for this to come out when he is at his, professionally speaking, lowest point in his career, a streamer team in the EU Masters' circuit? A true journalist wouldn't have been scared of potential pro-team backlash, if that was the case. The only other option is that, it took 13 years of dirt collecting for it to accumulate into this. I don't, and can't, believe that this was a good-faith video essay trying to enlighten people to the "real Rekkles". Imagine Thorin decided to keep collecting dirt on Rekkles for another 2 years, which should amount to less than 1/5th of the information in this video, Thorin would have been gathering dirt on someone for half their life.
Another point I have against Thorin's video is the clear lack of evidence presented. I get that people want to stay anonymous, especially if they are still in the industry, but every source? Not one person who had something negative to say, in the 13 years, has left the industry? None of them were willing to lend thier names to this exposé? Almost all the evidence is hearsay, with some past games and scrims information sprinkled in?
And the worst part? Trying to claim psychopathy and sociopathy for some of Rekkles' past actions, knowing they are a demonised and vilified mental condition in society, but refused to talk about his Autism diagnosis - of which a lot of his behaviour is actually explained, and was undiagnosed for some portion of his career. While autism does not necessarily excuse poor behaviour, refusing to speak about his autism but still speaking about his past actions, then adding that "some people speculated that he is a psychopath or a sociopath because of his actions" is, once again, either extremely poor journalism, or down-right blatant libel.
The most ironic thing about this whole thing is that, while Thorin speculated/insinuated that Rekkles was/is a narcisstic pycho/sociopath, everything Thorin has done in his video aligns closer to textbook narcissism and sociopathy.
Regardless of how true the statements are, they are his past - recent and current teammates and surrounding staff have taken to his defence, and that's the most important thing. If I were Rekkles, I would be contacting solicitors to see what I could do about this defamatory video. If Rekkles ends up reading this: Keep your head up, even if this is your past, your future is yours to shape
So Rekkless makes a tweet talking about how he has received unjust treatment in Fnatic and G2. How KC and T1 were the only ones to support “his truth” and how he had essentially been canceled for no reason. That’s why Thoorin made this video. If you watch Thoorins video, hypocrisy is the thing he hates the most, so he decided to make this video after Rekkless made that tweet.
Thorin really dropped "Weasel words: The movie", and somehow there are still people who think of him as a "journalist".
I feel for Rekkles. Anxiety is like a giant weight around your ankles and around your chest.
Great video~
Keeping things respectful and upstanding. Rock on!
Dude is literally making drama out of "he didnt get along with some people when he was younger"
bro caedral should file a lawsuit for stressing and causing damage to the LR because of thorin. Rekky is stressing so much to the point where he cant scrim because of this stoopid.
esports as it finest, community would rather defend disturbing individual and gaslight his victims that it didnt happen and then double digit iq morons like you wonder why ppl dont go public with staff like this, but you do you and wonder why no one is gonna file a lawsuit or say that thorin did lie, its almost like everyone already knew what rekkles was all along
Caedral doesn't have unlimited funds like T1 does. Clearly, Thorin started this mess when Rekklas left T1 because he knew fighting T1 in a legal battle was not going to end well for him. So, of course, he attacks Rekklas when a multi-billion dollar company isn't shielding him anymore.
@@N_May1 very fair point, but i fucking hate the fact that he is getting away with this. What in the actual fuck is this?? Something has to be done here
A lawsuit for stressing someone out😂🤣🤡
You can't make this stuff up.
@ haha, you dont even know what ur talking abt its fine
Apparently this video will be a banger!
Supposedly !!!
You go Rival! Show Thorin how its done. Show him with sources and reliable information how news is done
This man is just scared because he knows the rats win 2027 worlds with rekkles shotcalling
My personal guess is that Thorin bet a lot of money against LR, in my country its 1:15 ratio. If he bet like idk 100grand, he would have one and a half milion money.
If any of that is true, then Thorin is liable for up to multiple possible lawsuits. Even without your context, Thorin causing Rekkles to lose revenue based on false information is objectively slander and able to be sued for.
@AzraelxRuin you do realise that thorin did never lie in his 20 years career as a journalist, right? why do you think he did it now? to risk it all?
@@PostonPL They don't get that mate. They just repeat what their told to say and think.
They don't understand what a reputation is because none of the people they follow have one.
When a Riven main does better journalism than bias drama farming channels
rekkles once made a thankful tweet to younger fangirl me thanking for a letter i wrote him.... hes also always been super nice when i met him at lec, also saying things like "its nice to see you again!" after a year. hes such a kind person..
Thank you for making this. I wanted to know what was going on but did not want to watch Thorin's video and inadvertently support him. You rock!
If I am getting this right, Rekkles who is now autistic in less than a year ago is getting “past controversies” when he wasn’t even drinking age yet. And you have Thorin who looks like he watched Geeks and Gamers and probably screams “woke” is making a controversy for nothing
as someone who is not neurotypical and has issues w anxiety too ik how it feels to be so “different” and “unlikeable” to “normal” people, its so terrifying even as just a normal person. I can’t begin to imagine what reckles has to go through especially in such a large spotlight. I hope everyone around reckles can be supportive, kind, and understanding towards reckles
Managed to spell his name wrong three times in the same line - congrats.
@ bahaha I didnt even realize, mb
"Supposedly, I have heard, that supposedly, I am told, and have been told, by people telling me, that there's information presented to me, by people who know him telling me, that supposedly, they know him so they told me"
Literally no one backed him up or supported any of the claims, so I wanna know who those supposed people are that told him so much crap about Rekkles
why should he give his credible sources out ? they wanna stay anonymous
@@86pelezinho because you need evidence before accusing someone??? Are you stupid??
@@86pelezinho Rage bait. You cannot make claims with no source or evidence at all and expect even 1% of people to trust you.
@ misuse autism as a shield for their behavior, it not only undermines the experiences of those genuinely affected by the condition . thorin literally exposes that in his video
@@86pelezinho so if someone in the Esport scene on day say, without any proof whatsoever, that he hard from « trusted sources » that Thorin is a pdfile that abuses little girl, we should give credibility to that without asking for proof? That doesn’t seem right to me, and if that happens I’d defend Thorin.
My point is the burden of proof is on the accuser. No one, no matter the reputation, can slander someone without backing it up, and expect not to face backlash.
LOL I loved the intro
10:11 "weaponizing foly" really great quote