The issue is that teams knew that he was going to be dealt. When teams know that a player is going to be traded, that immediately lowers the value. Plus, Alex DeBrincat had made it clear he wanted to go to Detroit. Plus he made it clear he didn't want to stay long term in Ottawa.
It didn't lower his value that much, but his 27 goals vs 40 did. Sens paid a 1st, 2nd and 3rd, and got back a lower 1st, an NHL-player equiv to 2nd, a 4th, and a prospect, so not bad for the Sens considering he went from 40 goals to 27 and was a -31 on an over 500 team. He'll probably do well on the first line with good players and bounce back a bit.
The thing is Dorion shot himself in the foot, and stubborn about it. It was no secret, even when he was in Chicago, that he wanted to go to Detroit. To me, from everything I heard and read, Dorion knew Debrincat wanted to go to Detroit, kept it all quiet to be the key piece to sign Claude Giroux in free-agency. It's also no secret Dorion always wanted Claude Giroux, so in all fairness, the trade itself is pretty bleak, but that trade was a huge factor in bringing in Claude Giroux, then the trade out is what it is, but bringing in Debrincat did it's job to sway Giroux to sign with Ottawa. I will only forgive the trade itself depending what Dorion does with the first and fourth round picks. He's definitely not done, so there has to be a bigger play in mind, like maybe an offer-sheet to Lafreniere that will either cost a second, or a first and third depending on the offer sheet, or a play to maybe get Travis Konecny, as Dorion now has enough draft capital to possibly pull this trade off, while at the same time, possibly getting a third team involved to chew some of Konecny's cap hit, or completely solidify the defense in a trade with maybe Carolina for Pesce that could involve moving a Brannstrom and a prospect like an Ostapchuk or a Crookshank, and Detroit or Boston's first. Either way, there has to be more than this. They cannot run with this roster and make the playoffs. However if they get either Konecny, Lafreniere or Pesce, that should move the needle enough for Ottawa to make the playoffs.
The player the wings also got in this trade put his former team on the spot by stating he didn't want to be there. That doesn't help a team when a player does that to them.
@@YukiPyro So what? Happens every year. Regardless he wasn't signing in Ottawa long term. Ottawa is lucky they got anything at all for him. Would you rather get nothing? Sens fans take it so personal when it really isn't.
Yzerman is showing that he is dangerous in the front office too. He was such a complete player. He truly understands the game. Of course, DeBrincat wanted to go there which helped.
This is exactly why the Sens need to get rid of Dorion and bring in a guy like Daniel Alfredsson. GMs like Stevie Y, Joe Sakic, Bill Guerin have all been with winning teams and knows what combinations do work with the structures they played on to win. Remember Alfredsson was the guy who pushed big time for the team to draft Erik Karlsson when he wasnt supposed to go that high in the draft. That shows Alfredsson could be great at the draft. He knows the route to development as he was a very late draft pick himself, and knows what pieces will work, and what coaches will work with that system. He knows the process of contract negotiations, how much cap % to put into their stars, so he should be good with contracts. Making good trades he will learn, and be becomes a full package GM, like Joe, Stevie, and Bill. Im just hoping the writing is on the wall, and this Debrincat trade is the final nail in the coffin for Dorion as it was a terrible trade from Chicago, maybe one of his worst yet, followed closely by the Zibanejad trade, and the Mark Stone trade, along with drafting Tyler Boucher as high as they did instead of trading down and get some other picks or pieces, and still get Boucher considering Cole Sillinger was still on the board, it's Dorion's time to go and hopefully the talk between Andlauer and Alfredsson was to discuss becoming the new GM once Andlauer has the keys to the team. Ill say this much. If the Sens arent in a playoff spot before the team goes overseas, both Dorion and DJ Smith are fired, guaranteed.
Debrincat basically screwed over the senators by making it absolutely clear - after continuously denying it until near the end - that he had zero intentions of staying in OTT. He basically picked the team he wanted to be traded to as well and he was going to be able to choose by the end of next season regardless and leave for nothing so I don't think anyone can say the Sens got fleeced or that it truly looks bad.
He let them know. They where the ones who took the risk of trading for him. Yzerman even mentioned this in an interview during the trade deadline when talking about other teams ahead of Detroit.
DeBrincat still needs to prove that he wasn’t benefiting from playing a certain role on a bad team in Chicago, but if he does that, then this deal will look stupid good for Detroit in a couple of years.
You don't just put up those types of numbers because you had a good linemate. Of the hundreds of NHL players, a small pctg score 40 goals once in a season, let alone twice. Stevie gives you a 40 goal guy and you complain that he's not good enough.
Win-win for both sides, at this point it was no secret that the Sens would trade DeBrincat no matter what, and the fact that they got a good forward on a good contract in Kubalik is a win. Of course the Wings also won by getting a potential all star to pair up with Larkin, that brings the needed goal scoring after Bertuzzi left.
Ottawa didn’t even have money to sign him. Such a stupid deal to get him in the first place. Not sure how they thought they would ever be able to afford him. PD got him in hopes to save his job by making playoffs last year (his first time ever). It didn’t work and now Ottawa has fallen even further. Thanks again PD
I honestly don't think the trade is all that bad. DeBrincat is coming off a down year, any team acquiring him knows he doesn't want to sign in Ottawa, he still hasn't necessarily proven he's a legitimate threat to score 40 outside of playing peak minutes on a bad team (like he did in Chicago), and the team doing the trade and sign still wouldn't give him what he (allegedly) wanted as far as term or money. All of those things combined, Ottawa gets a 1st rounder and a guy that can play in your top 9 who likely won't be expensive to re-sign, I don't think that's a terrible return, but that's just my 2 cents.
you gotta look at the 2 teams after the trade tho and ottawa got worse and detroit got better. And if that’s debrincat’s “down year” then detroit is in a GREAT position with him on the team
@@yankeesk8er55 I'm not sure what your argument is. DeBrincat being the best player involved in the trade doesn't make it an "awful" return for Ottawa.
@yankeesk8er55 No, Ottawa got rid of a player who was a distraction. They also got a player who has something to prove, a prospect and a pick I believe, yes it wasn't the best return but for a team that was put in a bad spot caused by the player. They ended up with something and got rid of the distraction
No, it was bad through and through. There's a reason why Ottawa got Debrincat for what they did. All the other GM's did their due diligence, knowing Debrincat wouldnt re-sign with them, and stayed clear of him. Only Dorion had interest cause it would turn out as a bad deal a year later. Dorion should have followed what all the other GM's did and stayed clear of Debrincat. If you give up as much as Ottawa did to get any player, you better be damn sure they will re-sign. Not maybe, not "ill see later", but it better be verbally agreed and when the trade is finalized, all you have to do is put it to paper, and have that player dot the I's and cross the T's. No one better say you cant do that before a trade, cause Stevie Y did it, cause he did his due diligence like every other good GM does. Dorion didn't, yet again, and why he needs to be fired. It was a terrible trade going back to last off-season with Chicago. For the return from Detroit, you get a late first, a guy that will play in the top 9 (who still isn't re-signed, which like I said, should have been put to paper already), so from all we know, is another 1-year rental as there isnt a re-signing, a guy who wont play in the NHL, especially with the Sens, and a 4th. Very bad return. It could have been somewhat salvagable if 1) they already re-signed Kubalik by now, and 2) Use that new drafting assets and offer-sheet a guy like Alexis Lafreniere, where if they offer-sheet him at 4M, Rangers likely dont match and you give up a second round pick as compensation, who would fit very well on the second line, putting Kubalik on your third line who can move up if there is an injury. Remember the trade was the #7 pick, the #33 pick and a 2024 third to get Debrincat. They got no where near what they gave up. and if Kubalik walks, it will look like a complete fleecing by Detroit, and I mean COMPLETE.
@@chrisfortin984 It's funny that you worded your reply the way that you did. Not because you're wrong about Dorion's gaffes, but because the Blackhawks had multiple offers for DeBrincat and simply took the best one, which was from Ottawa. Saying that the Senators were the only team that pursued DeBrincat is categorically false, however. There are multiple parts here that call for speculation, like the suggestion of a sign and trade (for example, Steve Yzerman was able to sign DeBrincat to an extension prior to/simultaneously with the trade because Ottawa granted DeBrincat and his agent permission to talk to other teams. I don't recall if the Blackhawks did that or not. As such, you can't blame a GM for not making a sign and trade if they don't have permission to talk contract with the player beforehand [however, this does not negate other mistakes Dorion may have made that you allude to]). Furthermore, implying that good GMs don't take calculated risks like acquiring players and hoping that they'll be able to change a player's mind into staying with an organization is also false (though, again, in the case of Dorion and DeBrincat I don't necessarily disagree with your assessment). GMs acquire players at high costs with the hope of being able to re-sign them, not certainty, on a pretty regular basis. Finally, evaluating the trade based on the trade Dorion made to acquire DeBrincat isn't necessarily fair, in my opinion. Simply because 1) it was a year ago, 2) as previously mentioned, Dorion may not have actually known DeBrincat wasn't interested in re-signing in Ottawa (especially since he was acquired prior to the organization going up for sale, and the uncertainty around said sale was at least part of his hesitance to re-sign), 3) we have no idea who Ottawa would have drafted had they kept those picks and if they would have been better off doing so, and 4) we have no idea what Kevin Korchinski (#7 pick), Paul Ludwinski (#39 pick) or whoever the 2024 pick ends up being (if Chicago even keeps it) will be. There's a chance they don't even make it to the NHL. The Senators could also have drafted two players with those picks and missed completely, so looking at previous trades in order to evaluate this one just seems silly to me, especially if, in a year or two (or 5), it turns out that Ottawa used the 1st rounder they got from Detroit to draft an absolute stud. It's also possible DeBrincat doesn't work out in Detroit and the guy who was supposed to be a 40-goal threat is actually a 20-25 goal per year guy when he isn't playing with Patrick Kane and he was hyped up more than he should have been. Side note, I don't agree with the part about signing Kubalik immediately, either. He's under contract for this season already, why commit more term to him before he's even played a game for you? In conclusion, Dorion may not be the most competent GM, I won't argue with you about that. But to say cut and dry that this is a horrible situation for the Senators is still premature, I think.
I'm not shocked by this deal. Being a Tampa fan, I know that Steve Yzerman has a history of making badass trade deals and turning teams you thought were stinkers into champions. Red wings will be tough this year.
I used to think being an NHL GM would be the coolest job ever. Not anymore. Between all the no-trade clauses, loyalty to only the dollar, and spoiled egos on social media… no way. You can keep that gig. And good luck with it. You’re going to need it.
@@michalsrba7355 he is phenomenal at 2.5mil. at that cap, 20g, 45 points is extremely good, especially if you can slot him 2nd line and 2nd PP, that's a great value. the problem is he is expiring UFA next year, and with cap goin up and he potentailly have a good spot in OTT lineup, he's either signing for a good money or moving out. It all depends on how OTT is gonna do next season, but I can see him going away at deadline for futures. I thought Ottawa was supposed to be the contender and Detroit the rebuilder but this trade is the other way around. we'll see.
@@martinzyka6432 Don't know, but Tarasenko is out of the Picture if this is the case. Ottawa will have an increase of 4 million in Cap next year with retained salaries and buyouts expiring. So Kubalik is on a year tryout and they don't get stuck with a long term contract they might not like. So far, 2.5 mil is good. Will leave space to sign another bottom 6 player at 2 mil or have the cap for a later trade.
I actually don't mind this deal for Ottawa. They were in DIRE need of some bottom 6 scoring which Kubalik should help a lot with. Gotta think that pick gets moved to pick up some more talent as well.
Kubalik is a UFA after this next season so he might opt for free agency if he doesn't get a contract. Ottawa basically got a 1st round late draft pick in this deal.
@@tyrous1743 Detroit definitely won it, DeBrincat will take preasure off of Larkin and Raymond. Kubalik is a 20 goal scorer while DeBrincat is a 35-40 goal scorer. Ottawa did get a 1st round pick but I doubt it will turn into the player that DeBrincat has turned into.
@@slaybomb96if you’re going to cherry pick DeBrincats best year, then Kubalik is a 30 goal scorer. Sens gave up no roster players to get DeBrincat, only draft picks in a historically bad draft year. They recouped the first, a top 9 that can get 20-25 goals, and some filler. That’s what they’ve made clear they wanted since this DeBrincat stuff broke. Plus, I highly doubt he’ll get more than 27 goals on a Detroit team that has nowhere near Ottawa’s offensive capabilities.
@@stevestevens243 DeBrincat is a better scorer than Kubalik plain and simple Kubalik is more of a 2 way player. DeBrincat is a pure goal scorer scorer two 40 goal seasons before the age of 26.
Slightly less than what they paid to get for him in return.. but the cap space to add maybe a Tarasenko or Tatar, plus not having the trade rumor distractions going into training camp makes it worth it for Ottawa
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Lol well Keep in mind He is from Detroit, That’s the big difference. When you grow up, in Detroit watching Stevie lift cup after cup, you want to be home and you trust his knowledge and because of that it gives Stevie a leg up in the negotiation. Everyone is happy in this deal
@@jeffa8217 explain how?? Because what I said is factual??Lol.. fans like you are a joke but ALWAYS fun for me at least 😁😁😁 NOW, no more of these Kiddie- type statements without being able to back up your points.. Explain yourself on why I am?.. the floor is yours..
sens took a gamble on a 40 goal scorer and it didn't pay off, but im pretty sure most teams would've paid what the sens did for the cat. there's also no guarantee he scores 40 in detroit, he has yet to prove he wasn't a product of kane
the cat will be fine i think but it wont surprise me if his numbers are not great with the wings next year. he isnt the guy to make it happen alone and he will be going from being a second line threat to being the main guy teams will be looking to shut down with the wings. once the team gets better he will look good tho
You have to take risks to build a playoff team yet alone a cup contender and betting on a 24yr old 40 goal scorer with 2 years left as a RFA without trading a single roster player, was a good bet
Just over 8.1 mil for Yzerman to work with. I'd laugh my ass off if Stevie got Vladdy before Ottawa could. He and Perron already play well together on the power play.
would you say the Red Wings core is ready to start competing? a team around Larking, Debrincat, Copp, Husso? I think you needed a couple seasons underwater to draft some good D.
@@martinzyka6432 I would certainly hope so, this is the longest playoff drought in franchise history. 5 years into Stevie Y, we'd better be ready to contend. Now expectations aside, I THINK so but I'm not sure. This division is tough and I think while the D is shored up I'm not as sure about the goaltending situation. The cat is a good pickup but is that enough goal scoring?
You think Yzerman wanted to get more term? I feel like you didn't follow this trade very closely. It was widely reported that Cat was looking for term and Yzerman has routinely avoided term for anyone but Larkin...
Lots of people hyping up the wings. Second year in a row where they made lots of off season trades/signings and it didn't do anything last year. Will have to see if this year is different
Great for the wings not so much for the Sens but the sens obviously have made a wise choice why keep someone there who doesn't want to resign and in 12 months get nothing for him
Yup. Ottawa had next to no leverage. Ottawa got a good enough player, a fair prospect that's from Ottawa and a couple picks. Not bad...not great. But better than a bucket of pucks.
What Ottawa got back for DeBrincat is fine. His trade value decreased due to his play last year and playing a year off his contract, not because the Senators got fleeced. Unless he is with an elite playmaking center, he's never hitting 40 again. Let's see how long Lalonde keeps him with Larkin as well with his defensive warts. He also got paid, so lets see how motivated he is play each night. Ottawa did alright. They received a middle six scoring winger in Kubalik which they needed. I'd rather Kubalik than another pick or prospect. They also got assets to flip to go out and acquire another top four right handed defenseman if they desire. The winner of the trade is whichever team makes it to the playoffs this year.
@@sens_outlook 47, 48, 59, 68. Those are the amount of games Chychrun and Chabot have played the last 2 seasons respectively. Zub only played 53 last year. Healthy, Ottawa's top 6 is fine. For insurance, adding one more veteran 4-5 guy would really solidify the position so a team with playoff aspirations does not have to rely on defensemen less than the age of 24 to play big minutes.
@deltagolavista1 I see it as Chabot-Chychrun, Sanderson-Zub, Brannstrom-Hamonic and JBD as the 7th. I'd prefer to trade Brannstrom and have Klevin on the bottom pair with Hamonic, but overall I'm fine with that as our Dcore.
As a Sens fan, I think Dorian made the best of a bad situation. ADB wasn’t gonna sign long term and he’s coming off a down year. I like Kubalik, and Sobrango miiiiiight make the NHL one day. The condition on the first sucks though, should’ve been our choice. Oh well, as stated best of a bad situation
I agree. Glad we moved him, but have no hate for him either. He just didn't fit with Ottawa. And we could not afford to pay him 8 or 9 million to be on the second line and not hit 40. Plus, let's see if he can score those goals come playoff time once the Wings get back in. I'm happy with Kubalik and the other returns and the cap space we've gained to go out and get another middle 6 forward. I hope Debrincat thanked Dorion because he could have been moved to another team and perhaps Pierre did him a solid when he could have been spiteful. Cheers
If the Sens land Tarasenko - a cup winner - a more complete player.. Then it'll be fine. Plus Kubalik is an underrated player imo, gives the bottom six a scoring touch, dude can play PP too. Wild shot.
He didn’t. It came out that Yzerman wanted a shorter deal than Cat did. When you look at the prospects detroit has it doesn’t make sense to sign a wing to 6 or 7 years
Yzerman didn’t give up any top prospects. He didn’t give up any key roster players. He has control over which 1st rounder goes to Ottawa. He signed DeBrincat to a modest and reasonable contract. DeBrincat was the one wanting 8 years, but Yzerman wanted 4 at a lower cap hit. Glad to see he didn’t budge. This is a major win for Stevie Y and Detroit.
Ahh the sour section!.. I found it😂 .. YESSS!.. who wouldn't be happy for someone to come home??.. this section confirms to Red Wings fans they have a GOOD PLAYER!.. I remember when the Detroit Lions traded Jeff Okudah to the Falcons I said to Falcons fans who was trying to hype him up more than he was that " you can always tell the value of a player by when he is traded/ let go through Free Agency, read what fans are saying about him.." I then go and say " if they're not saying anything like 'we'll miss him', messages or any Ill-will on him for leaving, then you KNOW you have a good fish!😁 But if most fans aren't saying anything or even the opposite and wishing more good luck then that means he had/has potential, just didn't do the team a disservice.. soooo SEE YA AND GOOD LUCK!... YEP!,.. now when fans act like that I told Falcons fans then he wasn't really that valuable overall to the team😁.. I told them read the comments of the Lions fans and tell me which vibe YOU'RE GETTING!..😁 Think got the message!.. anyways thanks Sens fans for confirming we have a good FISH!.. or in this case a good CAT🤭😁😉 #LGRW!🔥🔥🔥💫
The thing is Dorion shot himself in the foot, and stubborn about it. It was no secret, even when he was in Chicago, that he wanted to go to Detroit. To me, from everything I heard and read, Dorion knew Debrincat wanted to go to Detroit, kept it all quiet to be the key piece to sign Claude Giroux in free-agency. It's also no secret Dorion always wanted Claude Giroux, so in all fairness, the trade itself is pretty bleak, but that trade was a huge factor in bringing in Claude Giroux, then the trade out is what it is, but bringing in Debrincat did it's job to sway Giroux to sign with Ottawa. I will only forgive the trade itself depending what Dorion does with the first and fourth round picks. He's definitely not done, so there has to be a bigger play in mind, like maybe an offer-sheet to Lafreniere that will either cost a second, or a first and third depending on the offer sheet, or a play to maybe get Travis Konecny, as Dorion now has enough draft capital to possibly pull this trade off, while at the same time, possibly getting a third team involved to chew some of Konecny's cap hit, or completely solidify the defense in a trade with maybe Carolina for Pesce that could involve moving a Brannstrom and a prospect like an Ostapchuk or a Crookshank, and Detroit or Boston's first. Either way, there has to be more than this. They cannot run with this roster and make the playoffs. However if they get either Konecny, Lafreniere or Pesce, that should move the needle enough for Ottawa to make the playoffs.
Giroux moved to Ottawa as a teenager at 13/14 years and played Bantam and Midget before ending up across the river in Gatineau with the Hull Olympiqes of the Q... he's a "local boy" that came home!
if josh norris was healthy this year i think we could’ve seen a different situation. going from primarily playing with towes and strome to pinto and batherson was spraying the cat with a hose. norris and debrincat wouldve made a deadly combo. wish we had that arbitration year to see it happen. i get hes american but i think he couldve settled if he was on a playoff team. best of luck in detroit please no tarasanko dorion.
@@nsolomon1025 false. They dont have the top end talent of buffalo/ottawa but they are deeper. They were a playoff team until yzerman decided to sell at the deadline. And they signed upgrades over suter, erne and chaison. They will roll 4 lines of actual depth next season with a legitimate 1st line. If theyre high end D prospects have good training camps they will leapfrog way over both ottawa and buffalo as soon as next season. Possibly even without. Their two highest forward prospects crushed their leagues last season. Their OHL prospect, Lombardi had 100+ points in like 67 games. He will also be trying to crack the lineup out of camp. Detroits just biding time until their high end prospects are ready, which they just about are. Hence all the 1 year contracts. Those are their for the taking from their prospects.
To be clear, Debrincat wanted MORE term, Yzerman wanted less. Debrincat was looking for 8 years (which Ottawa offered him), but was looking to play in DET above anything else. Given that Debrincat sort of forced the sens to trade only with the Red Wings the return isn't disastrous, especially if Bergeron and Krejci don't resign and Boston falls out of the playoffs. I would have preferred if they'd gotten Bergren instead of Sebrango and a fourth but I'm guessing Detroit was unwilling to budge on Bergren.
I would’ve been pissed if we traded Bergy! He didn’t set the Griffins points record for rookie season because he sucks. Lol. Kid sees the ice incredibly well.
As long as he is fed great passes, he will get back to his 40 goal seasons. He isn’t too much of a play maker and does rely on other good playmakers. Kane was the reason for a lot of his success. Great player still, but hopefully Larkin can help him out with good feeds.
I think Ottawa did great here!! They couldn't afford to keep Debrincat and get a decent NHL player and 3 potential chances at a better player than him anyway.
Not awful at all. Dumb take. He said he only wanted to go to detroit. See what happened to Giroux? or Kane to the Rangers. Ottawa got more than they should have considering their hand.
Commenters are nuts imho.... No way DeBrincat is worth $7M+... they got something for a player who didn't want to be there, and the Sens weren't going to sign.
@@gordonbgraham Debrincat is a great player and hes played on some rough teams.. i just think Nylander is undervalued playing 3-4 minutes less than Marner Matthews and still putting up 80+ points. Detroit got a steal here imo!
The initial trade was always going to be bad if Debrincat didn't extend in Ottawa. Everyone knew that. If they made the playoffs and went on a run, even one year would have been more palatable. As it is... sucks for Ottawa.
Everyone here saying its a win for the Wings, Are forgetting this player that the wings got, put the Sens in a hard spot by stating he didnt want to be there, when a player does this to a team, it doesnt give that team much leverage when discussing trades with other teams. I actually think this is a win for both sides tbh, Yes the Wings got the better end with receiving a good player, but the Sens also walked away with a player who may end up turning things around, they also get a pick in this also and they get rid of this distraction.
As an Avs fan I really don't want to see the Wings do well, but NGL it'd be hilarious is Ottawa fucked a trade up so bad it lead to us winning a cup with Cale and then 5-6 years later they fucked up again and Detroit draft the next Calae Makar in a few years time and go on for a cup win.
HILARIOUS all these arm chair gms, yourself included, trying to grade a trade when it JUST happened. Let the players play for their new teams and then rate the trade, and you can say who won.
These trade evaluations people make are stupid: this was NOT a hockey trade. The Sens didn’t make this trade cuz they felt what they got more than they gave up. They make the trade or they wait and get nothing. Simple
I hate when players leak that they want out. Ottawa management was handcuffed by Debrincat's actions. That considered, Ottawa did well with this trade and I'm not convinced that Debrincat was just having a down year. I think in two years time this trade will be analysed in Ottawa's favour.
Rough bit of asset management by Ottawa considering what was spent to get him, but they couldnt sign him, nor did he really want to be. Tough situation for the Sens, but Chychrun looks good there and Korpi i think will be an underrated pickup. Ottawa will be fine.
not really there is a lot of people saying they gave up so much to get him. it was a first second and third. buyers pay that price for rentals every year sure the firsts are never normally in the top 10 but still. they got back a legit nhler a lower prospect a first and a fourth. nowhere near as bad as some people are making it out to be.
@blackriver5522 yes, buyers pay that much because they can afford to depart with picks to compete for cups. Ottawas case was a risk because they arent a playoff team, but a viable risk to try to be competitive as Cat is a great sniper who didnt quite fit in Ottawa but still produced fine. It no longer looks good. It was a 7th overall, and Korchinski looks like he'll be a excellent player. The return was fine due to Ottawa not having leverage all things considered. This was just unfortunate. As I said though, I think Ottawa will be fine. Theyre still on the rise.
ottawa is 100% in the win now with there core and should most likely of been in the playoffs. i know every team goes though injuries but they did have some key long ones and the talbot trade was the real killer last year. the cat trade wont be known for a long time but all it did was turn a 7th over all in to a mid to later 1st for the most part. sens dont need a dman that best cases may make a nhl impact in 5 years.
@blackriver5522 yeah, the Talbot trade was awful from the start I thought. Gustavsson looks great with the Wild. Korpi is better at least. Korpi/Forsberg not a league breaking tandem by any means, but it's better than what they have had. Ottawa has to make the playoffs next year.
Just my opinion, but DeBrincat is severely overrated, and is a product of the guys he plays with. Better put him with Stuzle. Hard to fathom him getting more money than Tage Thompson.
As I sens fan I'm not sure if this trade is that good. He pulled off a pretty good season with us and was awesome on the powerplay so I think he should've stayed
sad to see him leave ottawa but we cant be mad with what we got in return. if ottawa stays healthy this year the lineup looks like a huge upgrade from last years lineup
teams need to stop trading with Stevie Y as they always lose to him big time like the Sergechev for Drouin...Montreal got totally ripped off...Stevie Y is just to good to deal with
Ottawa's going to have a better season than Detroit so this trade doesn't really matter. We've addressed the areas we needed to in the past year (defence and goaltending), just need to stay healthy next season. Let's not forget that Brady is the mayor of Detroit, he owns that entire franchise at the moment.
Unless Debrincat improves upon his season in Ottawa. Detroit just paid a 1st, a B prospect and a 4th to add essentially 7 goals to their wing yes? These two teams will be battling for the same playoff spot so whoever gets it (if either) I'll say won this trade.
It's 7 goals and 19 assists at a minimum. Upside is between 13-15 more goals and 25 more assists. Kub had an up year and ADB had a down year. ADB is somewhere between 1.5 to 2 times better than Kub in points. Also factor in that Kub had no future here in Detroit, so it is a no-impact loss. We were likely going to trade him at the deadline next year if we miss the playoffs. With ADB pushing out other wingers down, our entire wing just got stronger. We may have a shot at wild card (weren't too far off last year with a much worst roster). Finally, we still have a pick in every round next draft and kept all our core prospects. I like Sebrango, but we have at minimum 3 LHD prospects in front of him. We were likely going to lose/trade him as well. Wings could be scary in 2 years if none of Cossa, Edvinsson, Mazur, Kasper, ASP, and Danielson are busts. We'll be super deep.
Get use to it. You will also notice he does a lot of bandwagon stuff too, But we all have quirks, Eck still does a decent job on keeping up with trends in hockey.
The issue is that teams knew that he was going to be dealt. When teams know that a player is going to be traded, that immediately lowers the value. Plus, Alex DeBrincat had made it clear he wanted to go to Detroit. Plus he made it clear he didn't want to stay long term in Ottawa.
@darthvader3742 it didn't lower PLD's value or Tkachuk's.
It didn't lower his value that much, but his 27 goals vs 40 did. Sens paid a 1st, 2nd and 3rd, and got back a lower 1st, an NHL-player equiv to 2nd, a 4th, and a prospect, so not bad for the Sens considering he went from 40 goals to 27 and was a -31 on an over 500 team. He'll probably do well on the first line with good players and bounce back a bit.
Thats all stuff we all knew anyway too. thanks for the re-cap lol
He woulda walked after next season free agent at that point going further lowers it even more
The thing is Dorion shot himself in the foot, and stubborn about it. It was no secret, even when he was in Chicago, that he wanted to go to Detroit. To me, from everything I heard and read, Dorion knew Debrincat wanted to go to Detroit, kept it all quiet to be the key piece to sign Claude Giroux in free-agency. It's also no secret Dorion always wanted Claude Giroux, so in all fairness, the trade itself is pretty bleak, but that trade was a huge factor in bringing in Claude Giroux, then the trade out is what it is, but bringing in Debrincat did it's job to sway Giroux to sign with Ottawa. I will only forgive the trade itself depending what Dorion does with the first and fourth round picks. He's definitely not done, so there has to be a bigger play in mind, like maybe an offer-sheet to Lafreniere that will either cost a second, or a first and third depending on the offer sheet, or a play to maybe get Travis Konecny, as Dorion now has enough draft capital to possibly pull this trade off, while at the same time, possibly getting a third team involved to chew some of Konecny's cap hit, or completely solidify the defense in a trade with maybe Carolina for Pesce that could involve moving a Brannstrom and a prospect like an Ostapchuk or a Crookshank, and Detroit or Boston's first. Either way, there has to be more than this. They cannot run with this roster and make the playoffs. However if they get either Konecny, Lafreniere or Pesce, that should move the needle enough for Ottawa to make the playoffs.
Wings didn’t even give up any huge prospects or berggren. This is huge for the wings.
The player the wings also got in this trade put his former team on the spot by stating he didn't want to be there. That doesn't help a team when a player does that to them.
@@YukiPyro So what? Happens every year. Regardless he wasn't signing in Ottawa long term. Ottawa is lucky they got anything at all for him. Would you rather get nothing? Sens fans take it so personal when it really isn't.
Yea because alas didn’t want to stay with Ottawa and Michigan is his home town state
Yzerman is showing that he is dangerous in the front office too. He was such a complete player. He truly understands the game. Of course, DeBrincat wanted to go there which helped.
This is exactly why the Sens need to get rid of Dorion and bring in a guy like Daniel Alfredsson. GMs like Stevie Y, Joe Sakic, Bill Guerin have all been with winning teams and knows what combinations do work with the structures they played on to win. Remember Alfredsson was the guy who pushed big time for the team to draft Erik Karlsson when he wasnt supposed to go that high in the draft. That shows Alfredsson could be great at the draft. He knows the route to development as he was a very late draft pick himself, and knows what pieces will work, and what coaches will work with that system. He knows the process of contract negotiations, how much cap % to put into their stars, so he should be good with contracts. Making good trades he will learn, and be becomes a full package GM, like Joe, Stevie, and Bill. Im just hoping the writing is on the wall, and this Debrincat trade is the final nail in the coffin for Dorion as it was a terrible trade from Chicago, maybe one of his worst yet, followed closely by the Zibanejad trade, and the Mark Stone trade, along with drafting Tyler Boucher as high as they did instead of trading down and get some other picks or pieces, and still get Boucher considering Cole Sillinger was still on the board, it's Dorion's time to go and hopefully the talk between Andlauer and Alfredsson was to discuss becoming the new GM once Andlauer has the keys to the team. Ill say this much. If the Sens arent in a playoff spot before the team goes overseas, both Dorion and DJ Smith are fired, guaranteed.
Debrincat basically screwed over the senators by making it absolutely clear - after continuously denying it until near the end - that he had zero intentions of staying in OTT. He basically picked the team he wanted to be traded to as well and he was going to be able to choose by the end of next season regardless and leave for nothing so I don't think anyone can say the Sens got fleeced or that it truly looks bad.
Home town discount
Ottawa got fleeced yet again.
At least he let them know his intentions. Could’ve pulled a Gaudreau or Tavares and got nothing!
@@Whowhatme we didnt get fleeced relax lmao. anybody and they mother be using the word fleeced 2 much
He let them know. They where the ones who took the risk of trading for him.
Yzerman even mentioned this in an interview during the trade deadline when talking about other teams ahead of Detroit.
DeBrincat still needs to prove that he wasn’t benefiting from playing a certain role on a bad team in Chicago, but if he does that, then this deal will look stupid good for Detroit in a couple of years.
The numbers he put up for an even worse team than Chicago, as in Ottawa - Shows, he is a natural star. Superstar no. Star, yes
@iluv777kstewart Ottawa was a better team than Chicago last year, he proved he is a solid player.
Horrible take…
@@chrishaughton1747 Also better than Detroit bet this guy thinks the Wings are cup contenders lol
You don't just put up those types of numbers because you had a good linemate. Of the hundreds of NHL players, a small pctg score 40 goals once in a season, let alone twice. Stevie gives you a 40 goal guy and you complain that he's not good enough.
Win-win for both sides, at this point it was no secret that the Sens would trade DeBrincat no matter what, and the fact that they got a good forward on a good contract in Kubalik is a win.
Of course the Wings also won by getting a potential all star to pair up with Larkin, that brings the needed goal scoring after Bertuzzi left.
Ottawa didn’t even have money to sign him. Such a stupid deal to get him in the first place. Not sure how they thought they would ever be able to afford him. PD got him in hopes to save his job by making playoffs last year (his first time ever). It didn’t work and now Ottawa has fallen even further. Thanks again PD
I honestly don't think the trade is all that bad. DeBrincat is coming off a down year, any team acquiring him knows he doesn't want to sign in Ottawa, he still hasn't necessarily proven he's a legitimate threat to score 40 outside of playing peak minutes on a bad team (like he did in Chicago), and the team doing the trade and sign still wouldn't give him what he (allegedly) wanted as far as term or money. All of those things combined, Ottawa gets a 1st rounder and a guy that can play in your top 9 who likely won't be expensive to re-sign, I don't think that's a terrible return, but that's just my 2 cents.
you gotta look at the 2 teams after the trade tho and ottawa got worse and detroit got better. And if that’s debrincat’s “down year” then detroit is in a GREAT position with him on the team
@@yankeesk8er55 I'm not sure what your argument is. DeBrincat being the best player involved in the trade doesn't make it an "awful" return for Ottawa.
@yankeesk8er55 No, Ottawa got rid of a player who was a distraction. They also got a player who has something to prove, a prospect and a pick I believe, yes it wasn't the best return but for a team that was put in a bad spot caused by the player. They ended up with something and got rid of the distraction
No, it was bad through and through. There's a reason why Ottawa got Debrincat for what they did. All the other GM's did their due diligence, knowing Debrincat wouldnt re-sign with them, and stayed clear of him. Only Dorion had interest cause it would turn out as a bad deal a year later. Dorion should have followed what all the other GM's did and stayed clear of Debrincat. If you give up as much as Ottawa did to get any player, you better be damn sure they will re-sign. Not maybe, not "ill see later", but it better be verbally agreed and when the trade is finalized, all you have to do is put it to paper, and have that player dot the I's and cross the T's. No one better say you cant do that before a trade, cause Stevie Y did it, cause he did his due diligence like every other good GM does. Dorion didn't, yet again, and why he needs to be fired. It was a terrible trade going back to last off-season with Chicago. For the return from Detroit, you get a late first, a guy that will play in the top 9 (who still isn't re-signed, which like I said, should have been put to paper already), so from all we know, is another 1-year rental as there isnt a re-signing, a guy who wont play in the NHL, especially with the Sens, and a 4th. Very bad return. It could have been somewhat salvagable if 1) they already re-signed Kubalik by now, and 2) Use that new drafting assets and offer-sheet a guy like Alexis Lafreniere, where if they offer-sheet him at 4M, Rangers likely dont match and you give up a second round pick as compensation, who would fit very well on the second line, putting Kubalik on your third line who can move up if there is an injury. Remember the trade was the #7 pick, the #33 pick and a 2024 third to get Debrincat. They got no where near what they gave up. and if Kubalik walks, it will look like a complete fleecing by Detroit, and I mean COMPLETE.
@@chrisfortin984 It's funny that you worded your reply the way that you did. Not because you're wrong about Dorion's gaffes, but because the Blackhawks had multiple offers for DeBrincat and simply took the best one, which was from Ottawa. Saying that the Senators were the only team that pursued DeBrincat is categorically false, however. There are multiple parts here that call for speculation, like the suggestion of a sign and trade (for example, Steve Yzerman was able to sign DeBrincat to an extension prior to/simultaneously with the trade because Ottawa granted DeBrincat and his agent permission to talk to other teams. I don't recall if the Blackhawks did that or not. As such, you can't blame a GM for not making a sign and trade if they don't have permission to talk contract with the player beforehand [however, this does not negate other mistakes Dorion may have made that you allude to]).
Furthermore, implying that good GMs don't take calculated risks like acquiring players and hoping that they'll be able to change a player's mind into staying with an organization is also false (though, again, in the case of Dorion and DeBrincat I don't necessarily disagree with your assessment). GMs acquire players at high costs with the hope of being able to re-sign them, not certainty, on a pretty regular basis.
Finally, evaluating the trade based on the trade Dorion made to acquire DeBrincat isn't necessarily fair, in my opinion. Simply because 1) it was a year ago, 2) as previously mentioned, Dorion may not have actually known DeBrincat wasn't interested in re-signing in Ottawa (especially since he was acquired prior to the organization going up for sale, and the uncertainty around said sale was at least part of his hesitance to re-sign), 3) we have no idea who Ottawa would have drafted had they kept those picks and if they would have been better off doing so, and 4) we have no idea what Kevin Korchinski (#7 pick), Paul Ludwinski (#39 pick) or whoever the 2024 pick ends up being (if Chicago even keeps it) will be. There's a chance they don't even make it to the NHL. The Senators could also have drafted two players with those picks and missed completely, so looking at previous trades in order to evaluate this one just seems silly to me, especially if, in a year or two (or 5), it turns out that Ottawa used the 1st rounder they got from Detroit to draft an absolute stud.
It's also possible DeBrincat doesn't work out in Detroit and the guy who was supposed to be a 40-goal threat is actually a 20-25 goal per year guy when he isn't playing with Patrick Kane and he was hyped up more than he should have been.
Side note, I don't agree with the part about signing Kubalik immediately, either. He's under contract for this season already, why commit more term to him before he's even played a game for you?
In conclusion, Dorion may not be the most competent GM, I won't argue with you about that. But to say cut and dry that this is a horrible situation for the Senators is still premature, I think.
I think Debrincat is from Michigan too, so I'm happy for him!!
I'm not shocked by this deal. Being a Tampa fan, I know that Steve Yzerman has a history of making badass trade deals and turning teams you thought were stinkers into champions. Red wings will be tough this year.
I used to think being an NHL GM would be the coolest job ever.
Not anymore.
Between all the no-trade clauses, loyalty to only the dollar, and spoiled egos on social media… no way. You can keep that gig.
And good luck with it. You’re going to need it.
Management absolutely did not want term, Yzerman basically never wants term
Went to school with Donovan Sabrango, chill dude
Detroit wins this trade, but Kubalik is a very underrated player. He was phenomenal in Chicago
Extremely inconsistent. He will go on stretches where he’s good and then stretches where he is at best 4th liner
@@theold4734He was phenomenal in WC for us. In 8 games he reached 12 points (8 G + 4 A). He must play in first two lines and during power plays 🙂
@@michalsrba7355 he is phenomenal at 2.5mil. at that cap, 20g, 45 points is extremely good, especially if you can slot him 2nd line and 2nd PP, that's a great value. the problem is he is expiring UFA next year, and with cap goin up and he potentailly have a good spot in OTT lineup, he's either signing for a good money or moving out.
It all depends on how OTT is gonna do next season, but I can see him going away at deadline for futures.
I thought Ottawa was supposed to be the contender and Detroit the rebuilder but this trade is the other way around. we'll see.
Kubalik was good in Detroit too. He will probably shine in Ottawa too.
@@martinzyka6432 Don't know, but Tarasenko is out of the Picture if this is the case. Ottawa will have an increase of 4 million in Cap next year with retained salaries and buyouts expiring. So Kubalik is on a year tryout and they don't get stuck with a long term contract they might not like.
So far, 2.5 mil is good. Will leave space to sign another bottom 6 player at 2 mil or have the cap for a later trade.
I actually don't mind this deal for Ottawa. They were in DIRE need of some bottom 6 scoring which Kubalik should help a lot with. Gotta think that pick gets moved to pick up some more talent as well.
Kubalik is a UFA after this next season so he might opt for free agency if he doesn't get a contract. Ottawa basically got a 1st round late draft pick in this deal.
@@slaybomb96 You are assuming things are going to happen.... wait and see, then decide who won the trade
@@tyrous1743 Detroit definitely won it, DeBrincat will take preasure off of Larkin and Raymond. Kubalik is a 20 goal scorer while DeBrincat is a 35-40 goal scorer. Ottawa did get a 1st round pick but I doubt it will turn into the player that DeBrincat has turned into.
@@slaybomb96if you’re going to cherry pick DeBrincats best year, then Kubalik is a 30 goal scorer. Sens gave up no roster players to get DeBrincat, only draft picks in a historically bad draft year. They recouped the first, a top 9 that can get 20-25 goals, and some filler. That’s what they’ve made clear they wanted since this DeBrincat stuff broke. Plus, I highly doubt he’ll get more than 27 goals on a Detroit team that has nowhere near Ottawa’s offensive capabilities.
@@stevestevens243 DeBrincat is a better scorer than Kubalik plain and simple Kubalik is more of a 2 way player. DeBrincat is a pure goal scorer scorer two 40 goal seasons before the age of 26.
Slightly less than what they paid to get for him in return.. but the cap space to add maybe a Tarasenko or Tatar, plus not having the trade rumor distractions going into training camp makes it worth it for Ottawa
🎉Stevie-Y is the man! And stayed true to what he wanted and was REWARDED!.. Debrincat will definitely help the Red Wings in multiple offensive categories!.. Stevie has now made over 44% of just the STARTING roster! And 90% of the roster since the start of 2 SEASONS AGO!!.. THAT'S CRAAAZZYY WHEN YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT THAT!
Every line has at LEAST one new toy/ player to play with didn't have before😁
ALL players improvements from the previous Red Wings on the team and more importantly the players added gives coach Lalonde more versatility!.. and that's good In today's NHL..
Stevie-Y is really trying to build a similar roster structure to teams like, the Golden Knights, Kraken, Hurricanes, and Devils.. a bunch of good talented guys with speed high hockey IQ, that can score while staying responsible defensively!.. and the Wings are deep!.. we should be able to confidently roll 4-LINES making it even harder to beat them..
And lastly, if the Wings get into the playoffs, they're already low-key "playoff built"😉
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Sens fans literally a year ago
Lol well Keep in mind He is from Detroit, That’s the big difference.
When you grow up, in Detroit watching Stevie lift cup after cup, you want to be home and you trust his knowledge and because of that it gives Stevie a leg up in the negotiation.
Everyone is happy in this deal
Stevebot 🤖 😂
If he makes us look like the Kraken devils or canes I’ll be pissed.
@@jeffa8217 explain how?? Because what I said is factual??Lol.. fans like you are a joke but ALWAYS fun for me at least 😁😁😁 NOW, no more of these Kiddie- type statements without being able to back up your points.. Explain yourself on why I am?.. the floor is yours..
sens took a gamble on a 40 goal scorer and it didn't pay off, but im pretty sure most teams would've paid what the sens did for the cat. there's also no guarantee he scores 40 in detroit, he has yet to prove he wasn't a product of kane
the cat will be fine i think but it wont surprise me if his numbers are not great with the wings next year. he isnt the guy to make it happen alone and he will be going from being a second line threat to being the main guy teams will be looking to shut down with the wings. once the team gets better he will look good tho
Every team would have paid what Ottawa paid for the kitten… hahaha and yet NO ONE did
Stevie came home and promised we'd be condenders again. Just believe, and be patient. The doubters are reeaal quiet now.
Doubtful 😅😂
Steve came home? He’s from Ottawa. He fleeced his hometown. Hahaha
The question should be, why would Dorion have given up all that for a player that never wanted to extend in Ottawa? Horrific asset management.
You have to take risks to build a playoff team yet alone a cup contender and betting on a 24yr old 40 goal scorer with 2 years left as a RFA without trading a single roster player, was a good bet
What is the question in the subject? Is it supposed to be rhetorical, or are you questioning someone claiming it is "awful"?
Wings still have a decent chunk of cap space too right?
Yes after getting rid of Kubalik. I think it is something like $8.5million left.
Just over 8.1 mil for Yzerman to work with. I'd laugh my ass off if Stevie got Vladdy before Ottawa could. He and Perron already play well together on the power play.
i heard about the trade and went straight to ecks channel it wasn't there but now it is!
I think it was worth it
The red wings NEEDED more scoring, and we hopefully got it for an acceptable value imo
would you say the Red Wings core is ready to start competing? a team around Larking, Debrincat, Copp, Husso? I think you needed a couple seasons underwater to draft some good D.
@@martinzyka6432 I would certainly hope so, this is the longest playoff drought in franchise history. 5 years into Stevie Y, we'd better be ready to contend. Now expectations aside, I THINK so but I'm not sure. This division is tough and I think while the D is shored up I'm not as sure about the goaltending situation. The cat is a good pickup but is that enough goal scoring?
You think Yzerman wanted to get more term? I feel like you didn't follow this trade very closely. It was widely reported that Cat was looking for term and Yzerman has routinely avoided term for anyone but Larkin...
Alex Debrincat is NOT a 200ft hockey player. Very overhyped. He's not helping turn that franchise around, sorry.
And... he's tiny.
Lots of people hyping up the wings. Second year in a row where they made lots of off season trades/signings and it didn't do anything last year. Will have to see if this year is different
Great for the wings not so much for the Sens but the sens obviously have made a wise choice why keep someone there who doesn't want to resign and in 12 months get nothing for him
Yup. Ottawa had next to no leverage. Ottawa got a good enough player, a fair prospect that's from Ottawa and a couple picks. Not bad...not great. But better than a bucket of pucks.
What Ottawa got back for DeBrincat is fine. His trade value decreased due to his play last year and playing a year off his contract, not because the Senators got fleeced. Unless he is with an elite playmaking center, he's never hitting 40 again. Let's see how long Lalonde keeps him with Larkin as well with his defensive warts. He also got paid, so lets see how motivated he is play each night.
Ottawa did alright. They received a middle six scoring winger in Kubalik which they needed. I'd rather Kubalik than another pick or prospect. They also got assets to flip to go out and acquire another top four right handed defenseman if they desire.
The winner of the trade is whichever team makes it to the playoffs this year.
We don't need any more Dmen now. We could use it for a top 6 replacement though
@@sens_outlook 47, 48, 59, 68. Those are the amount of games Chychrun and Chabot have played the last 2 seasons respectively. Zub only played 53 last year.
Healthy, Ottawa's top 6 is fine. For insurance, adding one more veteran 4-5 guy would really solidify the position so a team with playoff aspirations does not have to rely on defensemen less than the age of 24 to play big minutes.
@deltagolavista1 I see it as Chabot-Chychrun, Sanderson-Zub, Brannstrom-Hamonic and JBD as the 7th. I'd prefer to trade Brannstrom and have Klevin on the bottom pair with Hamonic, but overall I'm fine with that as our Dcore.
As a Sens fan, I think Dorian made the best of a bad situation. ADB wasn’t gonna sign long term and he’s coming off a down year. I like Kubalik, and Sobrango miiiiiight make the NHL one day. The condition on the first sucks though, should’ve been our choice. Oh well, as stated best of a bad situation
I agree. Glad we moved him, but have no hate for him either. He just didn't fit with Ottawa. And we could not afford to pay him 8 or 9 million to be on the second line and not hit 40. Plus, let's see if he can score those goals come playoff time once the Wings get back in. I'm happy with Kubalik and the other returns and the cap space we've gained to go out and get another middle 6 forward. I hope Debrincat thanked Dorion because he could have been moved to another team and perhaps Pierre did him a solid when he could have been spiteful. Cheers
I don't know about Detroit wanting more term. Elliotte Friedman reported Yzerman wasn’t interested in a long-term contract.
If the Sens land Tarasenko - a cup winner - a more complete player.. Then it'll be fine.
Plus Kubalik is an underrated player imo, gives the bottom six a scoring touch, dude can play PP too. Wild shot.
Im not even sure Yzerman wanted a longer contract. He's been extremely causious giving longer terms. I think he got exactly what he wanted here.
He didn’t. It came out that Yzerman wanted a shorter deal than Cat did. When you look at the prospects detroit has it doesn’t make sense to sign a wing to 6 or 7 years
Yzerman didn’t give up any top prospects. He didn’t give up any key roster players. He has control over which 1st rounder goes to Ottawa. He signed DeBrincat to a modest and reasonable contract. DeBrincat was the one wanting 8 years, but Yzerman wanted 4 at a lower cap hit. Glad to see he didn’t budge. This is a major win for Stevie Y and Detroit.
Diva Debrincat gets what he wants
Yep. Too bad it's gonna blow up in his face
Ahh the sour section!.. I found it😂 .. YESSS!.. who wouldn't be happy for someone to come home??.. this section confirms to Red Wings fans they have a GOOD PLAYER!.. I remember when the Detroit Lions traded Jeff Okudah to the Falcons I said to Falcons fans who was trying to hype him up more than he was that " you can always tell the value of a player by when he is traded/ let go through Free Agency, read what fans are saying about him.." I then go and say " if they're not saying anything like 'we'll miss him', messages or any Ill-will on him for leaving, then you KNOW you have a good fish!😁
But if most fans aren't saying anything or even the opposite and wishing more good luck then that means he had/has potential, just didn't do the team a disservice.. soooo SEE YA AND GOOD LUCK!...
YEP!,.. now when fans act like that I told Falcons fans then he wasn't really that valuable overall to the team😁.. I told them read the comments of the Lions fans and tell me which vibe YOU'RE GETTING!..😁
Think got the message!.. anyways thanks Sens fans for confirming we have a good FISH!.. or in this case a good CAT🤭😁😉
#LGRW!🔥🔥🔥💫
The thing is Dorion shot himself in the foot, and stubborn about it. It was no secret, even when he was in Chicago, that he wanted to go to Detroit. To me, from everything I heard and read, Dorion knew Debrincat wanted to go to Detroit, kept it all quiet to be the key piece to sign Claude Giroux in free-agency. It's also no secret Dorion always wanted Claude Giroux, so in all fairness, the trade itself is pretty bleak, but that trade was a huge factor in bringing in Claude Giroux, then the trade out is what it is, but bringing in Debrincat did it's job to sway Giroux to sign with Ottawa. I will only forgive the trade itself depending what Dorion does with the first and fourth round picks. He's definitely not done, so there has to be a bigger play in mind, like maybe an offer-sheet to Lafreniere that will either cost a second, or a first and third depending on the offer sheet, or a play to maybe get Travis Konecny, as Dorion now has enough draft capital to possibly pull this trade off, while at the same time, possibly getting a third team involved to chew some of Konecny's cap hit, or completely solidify the defense in a trade with maybe Carolina for Pesce that could involve moving a Brannstrom and a prospect like an Ostapchuk or a Crookshank, and Detroit or Boston's first. Either way, there has to be more than this. They cannot run with this roster and make the playoffs. However if they get either Konecny, Lafreniere or Pesce, that should move the needle enough for Ottawa to make the playoffs.
I’m still pissed at the Blackhawks for sending him to Ottawa. I’m glad he’s going to Detroit. At least I’ll see him play against the Hawks.
I’m so excited! Go wings
The trade is as favorable as Ottawa could have hoped for. They had zero leverage in all of this, and Detroit/Yzerman knew it.
I found DeBrincat going to Ottawa a bit unusual in the first place, though Giroux also went there which I also found odd.
Giroux moved to Ottawa as a teenager at 13/14 years and played Bantam and Midget before ending up across the river in Gatineau with the Hull Olympiqes of the Q... he's a "local boy" that came home!
It’s not awful, it’s a tough spot to be in as the Ottawa GM and crappy for Sen fans.
But they some good stuff in return.
As an Ottawa fan we're used to our stars getting traded lol
It defies logic; the kid prefers to live in Murder City than Ottawa. Go figure.
It should be noted that Debrincat has a reputation as having very slow starts to the season. It was even worse with moving to Ottawa last season.
I don't think trade is MASSIVE since Detroit did really give anything big back. A mid 6 player, a prospect and 2 draft picks really isn't MASSIVE.
Very skeptical as a wings fan. Haven’t liked alot of moves that have been made in the last year.
This is a bit odd since it involved a former teammate of DeBrincat in CHI.
if josh norris was healthy this year i think we could’ve seen a different situation. going from primarily playing with towes and strome to pinto and batherson was spraying the cat with a hose. norris and debrincat wouldve made a deadly combo. wish we had that arbitration year to see it happen. i get hes american but i think he couldve settled if he was on a playoff team. best of luck in detroit please no tarasanko dorion.
The term is what the wings wanted
Have fun with Debrincat. He’s your problem now.
Huge trade for the wings this makes us look like actual playoff contenders. Always trust in stevey.
LGRW!!
Y’all aren’t making the playoffs but got better after this trade
@@nsolomon1025 how do you know you got a time machine? They where in a wild card spot before New Years Eve last season.
@@slaybomb96 cuz the aren’t better than the 6 teams above them in their respective division
@@nsolomon1025 false. They dont have the top end talent of buffalo/ottawa but they are deeper. They were a playoff team until yzerman decided to sell at the deadline. And they signed upgrades over suter, erne and chaison. They will roll 4 lines of actual depth next season with a legitimate 1st line. If theyre high end D prospects have good training camps they will leapfrog way over both ottawa and buffalo as soon as next season. Possibly even without. Their two highest forward prospects crushed their leagues last season. Their OHL prospect, Lombardi had 100+ points in like 67 games. He will also be trying to crack the lineup out of camp. Detroits just biding time until their high end prospects are ready, which they just about are. Hence all the 1 year contracts. Those are their for the taking from their prospects.
To be clear, Debrincat wanted MORE term, Yzerman wanted less. Debrincat was looking for 8 years (which Ottawa offered him), but was looking to play in DET above anything else. Given that Debrincat sort of forced the sens to trade only with the Red Wings the return isn't disastrous, especially if Bergeron and Krejci don't resign and Boston falls out of the playoffs. I would have preferred if they'd gotten Bergren instead of Sebrango and a fourth but I'm guessing Detroit was unwilling to budge on Bergren.
I would’ve been pissed if we traded Bergy! He didn’t set the Griffins points record for rookie season because he sucks. Lol. Kid sees the ice incredibly well.
Debrincat will get back to his goal mark with Larkin and Burger boy being good playmakers.
Lol Ottawa didn't have much of a choice, their hands were tied
As long as he is fed great passes, he will get back to his 40 goal seasons. He isn’t too much of a play maker and does rely on other good playmakers. Kane was the reason for a lot of his success. Great player still, but hopefully Larkin can help him out with good feeds.
I think Ottawa did great here!! They couldn't afford to keep Debrincat and get a decent NHL player and 3 potential chances at a better player than him anyway.
Hahaha
Ottawa had zero leverage whatsoever, they did pretty well here imo
If i was the new owner of ottawa id be pissed and this should of cost Dorions job
Wow
Wings content 😍
DeBrincat getting passed around like a blunt
he just took the long way home
Hometown Discount, when you grow up in Detroit you have like Zero leverage in negotiation against Stevie.
nah that's bert
stevie got a 7x9 deal down to a 4x7.8. wizzard
Not awful at all. Dumb take. He said he only wanted to go to detroit. See what happened to Giroux? or Kane to the Rangers. Ottawa got more than they should have considering their hand.
Commenters are nuts imho.... No way DeBrincat is worth $7M+... they got something for a player who didn't want to be there, and the Sens weren't going to sign.
damn, Nylander deserves a huge raise
Really? one 40 goal season. DeBrincat has had two 41 goal seasons and signed for 7.5. I think Nylander and Lewis Gross are in for a reality check
@@gordonbgraham I think he forgot the winky face in his comment 😉
@@gordonbgraham Debrincat is a great player and hes played on some rough teams.. i just think Nylander is undervalued playing 3-4 minutes less than Marner Matthews and still putting up 80+ points. Detroit got a steal here imo!
@@shaun7589 in 14 fewer NHL games Marner has 124 more points than Nylander…not 24…124
@@pa-mo look below…he actually means it
The initial trade was always going to be bad if Debrincat didn't extend in Ottawa. Everyone knew that. If they made the playoffs and went on a run, even one year would have been more palatable. As it is... sucks for Ottawa.
This is crazy
The day ottawa wins a cup will be past my lifetime
Everyone here saying its a win for the Wings, Are forgetting this player that the wings got, put the Sens in a hard spot by stating he didnt want to be there, when a player does this to a team, it doesnt give that team much leverage when discussing trades with other teams.
I actually think this is a win for both sides tbh, Yes the Wings got the better end with receiving a good player, but the Sens also walked away with a player who may end up turning things around, they also get a pick in this also and they get rid of this distraction.
Good riddance
7.5...You got that Lewis Gross?
As an Avs fan I really don't want to see the Wings do well, but NGL it'd be hilarious is Ottawa fucked a trade up so bad it lead to us winning a cup with Cale and then 5-6 years later they fucked up again and Detroit draft the next Calae Makar in a few years time and go on for a cup win.
WTF are you talking about? lol
I really can't understand what your trying to say.
Yzerman signed Justin Holl 3.4M for 3 years… traded for Yamamoto just to buy him out… he’s been dishing out millions for mid players
flip those picks for another roster player and sign tarasenko aswell
HILARIOUS all these arm chair gms, yourself included, trying to grade a trade when it JUST happened. Let the players play for their new teams and then rate the trade, and you can say who won.
These trade evaluations people make are stupid: this was NOT a hockey trade. The Sens didn’t make this trade cuz they felt what they got more than they gave up. They make the trade or they wait and get nothing. Simple
Bait title. This is a good trade for ottawa. The only issue is debrincat going to detroit which will contest ottawa for a playoff spot.
Dorion better be getting ready to learn chinese
I hate when players leak that they want out. Ottawa management was handcuffed by Debrincat's actions. That considered, Ottawa did well with this trade and I'm not convinced that Debrincat was just having a down year. I think in two years time this trade will be analysed in Ottawa's favour.
detroit yzerplan haters in the mud
Seems useless for both teams tbh
I knew he wouldn't last in Ottawa, no way some who is your second line left wing makes 8mil
He needed to be somewhere where he'd be on the first line
Rough bit of asset management by Ottawa considering what was spent to get him, but they couldnt sign him, nor did he really want to be. Tough situation for the Sens, but Chychrun looks good there and Korpi i think will be an underrated pickup. Ottawa will be fine.
not really there is a lot of people saying they gave up so much to get him. it was a first second and third. buyers pay that price for rentals every year sure the firsts are never normally in the top 10 but still. they got back a legit nhler a lower prospect a first and a fourth. nowhere near as bad as some people are making it out to be.
@blackriver5522 yes, buyers pay that much because they can afford to depart with picks to compete for cups. Ottawas case was a risk because they arent a playoff team, but a viable risk to try to be competitive as Cat is a great sniper who didnt quite fit in Ottawa but still produced fine. It no longer looks good. It was a 7th overall, and Korchinski looks like he'll be a excellent player.
The return was fine due to Ottawa not having leverage all things considered. This was just unfortunate. As I said though, I think Ottawa will be fine. Theyre still on the rise.
ottawa is 100% in the win now with there core and should most likely of been in the playoffs. i know every team goes though injuries but they did have some key long ones and the talbot trade was the real killer last year. the cat trade wont be known for a long time but all it did was turn a 7th over all in to a mid to later 1st for the most part. sens dont need a dman that best cases may make a nhl impact in 5 years.
@blackriver5522 yeah, the Talbot trade was awful from the start I thought. Gustavsson looks great with the Wild. Korpi is better at least. Korpi/Forsberg not a league breaking tandem by any means, but it's better than what they have had. Ottawa has to make the playoffs next year.
i dont think your "end-screen" is supposed to look like that lol
The best thing my team has done is trade away players who don’t want to be there. Ottawa gets the win in my book.
Other way around man. Yzerman didn’t want to give term. Do your homework bud
Just my opinion, but DeBrincat is severely overrated, and is a product of the guys he plays with. Better put him with Stuzle. Hard to fathom him getting more money than Tage Thompson.
As I sens fan I'm not sure if this trade is that good. He pulled off a pretty good season with us and was awesome on the powerplay so I think he should've stayed
I thought it was a weak return
sad to see him leave ottawa but we cant be mad with what we got in return. if ottawa stays healthy this year the lineup looks like a huge upgrade from last years lineup
You just mad the rangers couldn’t pick him up lol
Debrincat will never touch 40 goals ever again. Maybe not even 30.
teams need to stop trading with Stevie Y as they always lose to him big time like the Sergechev for Drouin...Montreal got totally ripped off...Stevie Y is just to good to deal with
ADB is pretty over rated. Not a 200 foot player going to a team who is already bad at the 200 foot game
Bye Debrincat!
You were a waste of an investment. Excites for who were gonna replace him with!
Kadri!
Ottawa's going to have a better season than Detroit so this trade doesn't really matter. We've addressed the areas we needed to in the past year (defence and goaltending), just need to stay healthy next season. Let's not forget that Brady is the mayor of Detroit, he owns that entire franchise at the moment.
That's cute you think that.
Unless Debrincat improves upon his season in Ottawa. Detroit just paid a 1st, a B prospect and a 4th to add essentially 7 goals to their wing yes? These two teams will be battling for the same playoff spot so whoever gets it (if either) I'll say won this trade.
It's 7 goals and 19 assists at a minimum. Upside is between 13-15 more goals and 25 more assists. Kub had an up year and ADB had a down year. ADB is somewhere between 1.5 to 2 times better than Kub in points.
Also factor in that Kub had no future here in Detroit, so it is a no-impact loss. We were likely going to trade him at the deadline next year if we miss the playoffs. With ADB pushing out other wingers down, our entire wing just got stronger. We may have a shot at wild card (weren't too far off last year with a much worst roster).
Finally, we still have a pick in every round next draft and kept all our core prospects. I like Sebrango, but we have at minimum 3 LHD prospects in front of him. We were likely going to lose/trade him as well.
Wings could be scary in 2 years if none of Cossa, Edvinsson, Mazur, Kasper, ASP, and Danielson are busts. We'll be super deep.
Stretching it with the clickbaity title 😅
What's up with the clickbait title?
Get use to it. You will also notice he does a lot of bandwagon stuff too, But we all have quirks, Eck still does a decent job on keeping up with trends in hockey.
I thought it was a great trade🤷♂️ LGRW
The wings now have one good forward. Great. They're still a bottom 12 team