I am a 57 year old gay woman and ex-Christian. And while I've never been through gay conversion therapy before, I did experience a so-called " deliverance" in church many years ago because I was having what I thought was " unwanted same sex desires." I never did live the gay lifestyle, though, but being delivered from the " sin" of homosexuality obviously didn't work because I am still gay, and I still desire other women. As a result, I am no longer a Christian, and I never really did believe in God. If God loves us all as unconditionally as he claims, then why won't he accept us for who we are? This video proves that we are much stronger than we think, and if we can get through the abuse that the church inflicts on us, we can get through anything. Many hugs to the people in this video for telling their stories. Be brave, and never stop being who you are. ❤
Those fundamentalists are never going to admit, that they are the cause of so many teenagers ending their lives. They have blood on their hands, and they don't care.
As a gay man in my early 20s, I too had tried going straight by attending a weekly group of other gay and lesbian Christians. Fortunately, there was never any violence nor threat of violence. I can’t imagine how those young people in those conversion camps must have felt. My heart goes out to each of them, and I pray they find the peace and love they so richly deserve.❤️
The fact that some conversions are based on the idea that homosexuals hate the opposite sex because they were abused is sickening. I'm sure that some people actually used that as a psychological defense mechanism for their own mental health. But in that case, like many other psychological traumas you can deal with it with a psychotherapy. It has nothing to do with being gay. I'm gay and i've never hated women. I've never been abused either. I've always felt that way since i can remember. I'm not saying either that I was born that way either. I think it is more complicated than what we are able to understand right now. Maybe it's genetics, maybe it develops during the first years of childhood when the main features of one's personality are built. But even if this is the case, you cannot change who you have become. Those features are part of the core of who you are. If you are heterosexual and don't understand that, ask yourself if you could become gay and only gay.
This video proves the observation "There is no hate like Christian love." Homophobia not Homosexuality is the abberation. Total respect to those who do not bend the knee for who they are, and compassion for those who feel they have to change to be accepted, nobody has the right to demand that of anyone.
44:21 - It never fails to leave me baffled when I hear someone who sounds like a total queen, "preaching" christianity and homophobia. They're trying so hard to live in a bubble of denial but their voice gives them away, and other christians also just ignore that elephant in the room... // It would be like if a puppy barked "quack" and everyone went: _"AND NOW IT'S A DUCK! YAY!"_ #SMH edit: seriously, wth "lol"
1988 Oprah had a show on conversion therapy but the lesbian and gay people talking said their life was NOT the same hell as trans kids in those camps. I was a different kid. Biological intersex, raised female, shoved into a dress Southern baptist school and church Sunday morning and night. I got to skip wed because it was a workday for my christian dad and I struggled so much at school. My parents knew I was different and so did I but what I KNEW already biological intersex was don't talk about any of it to anyone including parents. There is some value in insisting the child refrain from sexual penetration until the age of 18 whether trans, intersex, gay, lesbian or straight and if it can't be stopped use protection. The best protection is abstinence boys, girls and others like me. The promiscuity of gay lifestyle rampant with multiple sexual partners could be a valid concern for a parent. Its pretty clear from straight men who have female multiple partners its chaos crossing and sharing emotions and beds with more than one person at a time but with evangelical Trump as a president very ok and celebrated now. No way to explain monogamy to a young gay boy if you are a Christian parent. Unlike me intersex shoved into a dress, a child turns to who they trust most and up until their disclosure, they trusted their parents. Biological intersex I didn't trust my parents because they let doctors probe. Lucky I didn't have major surgery as a baby, toddler, child or teen. Christians say trans kids should never have surgery? I say if there is the old Harry Benjamin Standard lookback from toddlerhood forward and a 7 year "documented" history of gender dysphoria prior to puberty, then puberty blockers and cross sex hormones but wait until 18 for surgery. Most detrans people had no waiting period but held other deep psychiatric problems not truly trans and no history since toddlerhood. I also say healthy biological intersex babies, toddlers and teens shouldn't have surgery either and the christian hypocrisy of that is insanity. Further hypocrisy for christians to claim its the parents right to send their kid to conversion therapy but claim parents supportive unconditional love of a true gender dysphoric child is child abuse and Texas was enforcing laws to remove those kids from their homes causing kids like Kai Shappley to flee TX with her mom. Christians ARE responsible for damage done to LGBTQI community while the New Testament doesn't have much to say on the subject. The Old Testament and Jewish law did. Muslim LGBTQI usually have family back in the Middle East to ship the kids back and dispose of them that way. Tribes like the massai featured in Matt Walsh "What is a woman" are so entrenched in gender roles when they come to live in the U.S. and mutilate their little girl's genitals they are usually held responsible for child abuse. Kudos to the activists exposing the hypocrisy and the legislative progress they have made. Its hard to live a good life damaged deeply by your parents. It happens to straight kids too...just not at the frequency of LGBTQI kids. Find that one partner who will stick with and by you. Live your life in America knowing this time even if Trump retakes the presidency again, human rights violations will be heard for history to record.
The only person with a heart for this young people was the policeman!!! There’s no cure for to be gay - good, but there’s no cure for religious blindness - very sad. How cruel you must be to think your child has to go thru this horrible treatment? And remember gay is lively and cheerful as well - hope it will be that way for all this protagonists 🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈
If they believe someone rose from the dead and walked on water, they probably aren’t sane enough to be delivering any medical care. Also, that Attorney General should be named, investigated and, if necessary, charged with multiple felonies.
@@TheWorld-xs8ly when I Google: "is homosexuality bad in the Bible", there's multiple Christian sources that come up that say biblical text was misconstrued.
Beloved America, fate linked us together for a few months. I have heard about this, though I hope you keep this issue and religion to yourself, America is loved more than I can imagine, so if you love her enough, as wise as you are, you have the answer! Take care!
its not about telling people they HAVE to be straight, its about telling kids who still believe in santa claus that they ARE trans. its sickening and devilish. if its natural the child would come to this conclusion themselves without outside influence
I came to the conclusion I should present as a eunuch back in the late 80's. I saw myself in the mirror and I wanted to preserve him. I knew I needed to stop my progression and did so mostly with protein and calorie restriction. If I had it to do again, I think that is one of the few ways forward if I couldn't except looking more like a man or an animal than a boy. Puberty blockers make one tall and even heavy especially without low dose estrogen and I didn't want that.
you have a point, but trans people, inclusive trans kids, needs very especial psycological attention( don't take i t bad, i am not saying that be trans is a mental sickness), but is necesary for the trans to make it a better understanding of his gender identity
Exactly lady preacher pay close attention to that verse of being "born unto sin" . This was due to Adam sinning which led to all being born unto sin. So YES ppl are born this way!
All gays can you answer one thing honestly? You have had some sort gay encounter in your early days due to whatever reason, and then later you discovered that you have attraction towards same sex.? Be honest please.
No. I grew up very sheltered with attentive parents, two siblings, grandparents in a little village. No sexual abuse or even physical or emotional abuse.
No, i've never experienced anything like that. And trust me, when, at a young age, you realize that you are not like others, you search very hard to understand why you are not like anyone else. I wished i could say it came from something i've endured as a child but this is not the case. My childhood was normal except the fact that i had to navigate in a heterosexual world trying to avoid being bullied.
Same! Extremely sheltered. I have 1 brother and 1 sister. I have had an AMAZING childhood. No sexual abuse. And funny thing is, when I started walking (mind you I started walking EXTREMELY early) I would only walk on my tippy toes and would say I was wearing heels. I grew up with amazing parents. I am the only gay sibling and I truly TRILY believe I was totally born this way. And to be honest, people are people! Who we choose to love is NO ONE ELSES right to judge. However if they choose to judge, then judge on! I’m too busy loving everyone for exactly who they are, without restrictions. More people need to experience UNCONDITIONAL LOVE. Meaning love WITHOUT ANY CONDITIONS!!!!! 😢❤
No… I was always drawn towards guys Ever since a kid I found them more attractive…. No one taught me to be like this…. I just used my eye balls and ears lol.. I looked at girls.. I looked at boys… I’ve listened to the different ways they speak and dress and act… and it was always the boys that drive me crazy 🥴❤️….. Now I’m an adult… I’m the same.. I still like men.. I even tested it before watching straight p0rn or lesbian p0rn or naked women….. then after then went straight to gay p0rn and as soon as I was watching the gay p0rn my 🍆 stiffened up bad 😅 where as with the straight stuff.. my 🍆 was soft and my heart was beating like normal I don’t like women and never will and that’s okay.. it’s not a necessity…. It’s not a big deal It’s stup!d to obsess over social norms 😪 those days are over.. being gay isn’t a big deal
Jesus says " hate the sin love the sinner." Jesus loves heterosexuals but not premarital sex only because that's not His plan for us. He knows what's best. He also knows we are failable.
@@ALS_AustNZ arrival is not a worldly thing according to Christians. It is a divine thing made by God as a perfect design for us as humans. But how could it be a perfect design when so many marriages end up in divorce for different reasons? For example some people end a marriage because they just do not love the person who, they are ,arrived to anymore? What about that?
@@keith.anthony.infinity.hplease clarity what you mean by ‘arrival’. What I’m saying is marriages are failing because they are increasingly based in the world & are not based in Christ’s loner for His church as they should be.
I was gay and then cured by my own determination..... read lots of books, visualising the right kind of sexuality and mannerisms.....now i have zero interest in boys and purely attracted girls. It's possible. Human mind is adaptable, very much pliable. ❤
You either weren't really gay in the first place (bisexual perhaps?) or you are fooling yourself and living a lie. Being gay is not something you need to be "cured" from. Nor is it possible. Oh sure, gays can stop having gay sex and marry a member of the opposite sex. But you will be miserable, as will your spouse.
Your sexuality is for you to determine and no one else but I do hope you are being honest with yourself and not trying to be something you are simply not.
Those out of design are all crooked. You have to Love to be straight. Words in this world are all crooked and backward. Those who are able to Love, Live a Life where everyone is Straight (Love).
One who is straight, gay and trans can love. You are dehumanizing people. The great irony is Christians say they are persecuted yet hold the most power and privilege over anyone in the US and most of the West.
I am a 57 year old gay woman and ex-Christian. And while I've never been through gay conversion therapy before, I did experience a so-called " deliverance" in church many years ago because I was having what I thought was " unwanted same sex desires." I never did live the gay lifestyle, though, but being delivered from the " sin" of homosexuality obviously didn't work because I am still gay, and I still desire other women. As a result, I am no longer a Christian, and I never really did believe in God. If God loves us all as unconditionally as he claims, then why won't he accept us for who we are? This video proves that we are much stronger than we think, and if we can get through the abuse that the church inflicts on us, we can get through anything. Many hugs to the people in this video for telling their stories. Be brave, and never stop being who you are. ❤
I think that God loves unconditionally ...but pretty certain that humanity doesn't...
... being LGBTQIA+ is NOT a lifestyle! Get rid of the term created by Evangical Antihumanrights Terrorists.
U r amazing, much love and power to u ❤😊
Those fundamentalists are never going to admit, that they are the cause of so many teenagers ending their lives. They have blood on their hands, and they don't care.
Evangicals are Antihumanrights Terrorists, the same Taliban/ISIS/etc. only with pork and beer
As a gay man in my early 20s, I too had tried going straight by attending a weekly group of other gay and lesbian Christians.
Fortunately, there was never any violence nor threat of violence.
I can’t imagine how those young people in those conversion camps must have felt.
My heart goes out to each of them, and I pray they find the peace and love they so richly deserve.❤️
Why are you gay why so gay. 😅
@@ryanjames3793 because he is?
@@Luke-ep7zk he is what?
@@ryanjames3793 gay
@@Luke-ep7zk and what is your point.
Religion’s first issue: inconsistency across the board since the beginning of time.
Yep religion is very inconsistent. I should know I was and believed I was right as a Christian.
Lucas is very attractive. Wow!🫢
@@kateofone Religion was created to control people? Quite different than spirituality
The fact that some conversions are based on the idea that homosexuals hate the opposite sex because they were abused is sickening. I'm sure that some people actually used that as a psychological defense mechanism for their own mental health. But in that case, like many other psychological traumas you can deal with it with a psychotherapy. It has nothing to do with being gay.
I'm gay and i've never hated women. I've never been abused either.
I've always felt that way since i can remember. I'm not saying either that I was born that way either. I think it is more complicated than what we are able to understand right now.
Maybe it's genetics, maybe it develops during the first years of childhood when the main features of one's personality are built.
But even if this is the case, you cannot change who you have become. Those features are part of the core of who you are.
If you are heterosexual and don't understand that, ask yourself if you could become gay and only gay.
So true!
How is it we were told to despise and hate the witches, but not warned to fear the pious men who burnt them alive at the stake?
The "pious" man wrote the rules. The witch denied his "affections". In the modern day we'd call them incels.
Piety=another figment of the imagination.Usually attributed to religious nut cases.
It's because WE recognize that burning us doesn't make them less evil and sick. They're in denial when they hurt others because "god" said so.
These pastors are responsible for their suicide. They should be locked in jail for lifetime.
The problem isn’t being homosexual, it’s being born in the U.S. or having the misfortune to be born into the nonsense of christianity or islam.
This video proves the observation "There is no hate like Christian love." Homophobia not Homosexuality is the abberation. Total respect to those who do not bend the knee for who they are, and compassion for those who feel they have to change to be accepted, nobody has the right to demand that of anyone.
This lady literally described her struggles as a drug addict with a eating disorder and then blamed it all on being a lesbian 🤦🏾what!
This great documentary desereves and needs way more views...
44:21 - It never fails to leave me baffled when I hear someone who sounds like a total queen, "preaching" christianity and homophobia.
They're trying so hard to live in a bubble of denial but their voice gives them away, and other christians also just ignore that elephant in the room... // It would be like if a puppy barked "quack" and everyone went: _"AND NOW IT'S A DUCK! YAY!"_ #SMH
edit: seriously, wth "lol"
1988 Oprah had a show on conversion therapy but the lesbian and gay people talking said their life was NOT the same hell as trans kids in those camps. I was a different kid. Biological intersex, raised female, shoved into a dress Southern baptist school and church Sunday morning and night. I got to skip wed because it was a workday for my christian dad and I struggled so much at school. My parents knew I was different and so did I but what I KNEW already biological intersex was don't talk about any of it to anyone including parents. There is some value in insisting the child refrain from sexual penetration until the age of 18 whether trans, intersex, gay, lesbian or straight and if it can't be stopped use protection. The best protection is abstinence boys, girls and others like me. The promiscuity of gay lifestyle rampant with multiple sexual partners could be a valid concern for a parent. Its pretty clear from straight men who have female multiple partners its chaos crossing and sharing emotions and beds with more than one person at a time but with evangelical Trump as a president very ok and celebrated now. No way to explain monogamy to a young gay boy if you are a Christian parent. Unlike me intersex shoved into a dress, a child turns to who they trust most and up until their disclosure, they trusted their parents. Biological intersex I didn't trust my parents because they let doctors probe. Lucky I didn't have major surgery as a baby, toddler, child or teen. Christians say trans kids should never have surgery? I say if there is the old Harry Benjamin Standard lookback from toddlerhood forward and a 7 year "documented" history of gender dysphoria prior to puberty, then puberty blockers and cross sex hormones but wait until 18 for surgery. Most detrans people had no waiting period but held other deep psychiatric problems not truly trans and no history since toddlerhood. I also say healthy biological intersex babies, toddlers and teens shouldn't have surgery either and the christian hypocrisy of that is insanity. Further hypocrisy for christians to claim its the parents right to send their kid to conversion therapy but claim parents supportive unconditional love of a true gender dysphoric child is child abuse and Texas was enforcing laws to remove those kids from their homes causing kids like Kai Shappley to flee TX with her mom. Christians ARE responsible for damage done to LGBTQI community while the New Testament doesn't have much to say on the subject. The Old Testament and Jewish law did. Muslim LGBTQI usually have family back in the Middle East to ship the kids back and dispose of them that way. Tribes like the massai featured in Matt Walsh "What is a woman" are so entrenched in gender roles when they come to live in the U.S. and mutilate their little girl's genitals they are usually held responsible for child abuse. Kudos to the activists exposing the hypocrisy and the legislative progress they have made. Its hard to live a good life damaged deeply by your parents. It happens to straight kids too...just not at the frequency of LGBTQI kids. Find that one partner who will stick with and by you. Live your life in America knowing this time even if Trump retakes the presidency again, human rights violations will be heard for history to record.
The only person with a heart for this young people was the policeman!!! There’s no cure for to be gay - good, but there’s no cure for religious blindness - very sad. How cruel you must be to think your child has to go thru this horrible treatment? And remember gay is lively and cheerful as well - hope it will be that way for all this protagonists 🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈
Why aren't these 'therapists' in prison?
I'm glad I had the patients I did
parents?
What specialty do you practice? I heard general medicine is a nightmare!
If they believe someone rose from the dead and walked on water, they probably aren’t sane enough to be delivering any medical care. Also, that Attorney General should be named, investigated and, if necessary, charged with multiple felonies.
JESUS ITS GAY TO READ THE BIBEL and Religion eats the BRAIN
The Bible does not support homosexuality. What do you mean it’s gay?
@@TheWorld-xs8ly they meant that it's stupid.
@@VladmirPoopN - I doubt they’ve ever read it…
@@TheWorld-xs8ly when I Google: "is homosexuality bad in the Bible", there's multiple Christian sources that come up that say biblical text was misconstrued.
@@VladmirPoopN - That’s wrong. The Bible is very clear about homosexuality. Would you like versus to prove it?
Just got to say it, my god the Jewish guy is so handsome! WOW!
Sounds more damaging than anything convincing them there is something wrong with them
Beloved America, fate linked us together for a few months. I have heard about this, though I hope you keep this issue and religion to yourself, America is loved more than I can imagine, so if you love her enough, as wise as you are, you have the answer! Take care!
"I know you better then you know you" how entitled do you have to be to actually believe you know your children better then they know themselves
its not about telling people they HAVE to be straight, its about telling kids who still believe in santa claus that they ARE trans. its sickening and devilish. if its natural the child would come to this conclusion themselves without outside influence
Nobody is saying that besides doctors with special training on gender care
I came to the conclusion I should present as a eunuch back in the late 80's. I saw myself in the mirror and I wanted to preserve him. I knew I needed to stop my progression and did so mostly with protein and calorie restriction. If I had it to do again, I think that is one of the few ways forward if I couldn't except looking more like a man or an animal than a boy. Puberty blockers make one tall and even heavy especially without low dose estrogen and I didn't want that.
you have a point, but trans people, inclusive trans kids, needs very especial psycological attention( don't take i t bad, i am not saying that be trans is a mental sickness), but is necesary for the trans to make it a better understanding of his gender identity
Well this is happening no where go read a book
How much money is in this?
Unfortunately, I think like 2 billion.
100% right on!
Has sickening thinking that is something wrong being gay that you need treatment that's religion boy in America
No such thing as gay convertion Theopy. No way Omg 😱 get real 😢😢
Exactly lady preacher pay close attention to that verse of being "born unto sin" . This was due to Adam sinning which led to all being born unto sin.
So YES ppl are born this way!
The black pastor....are you a man, woman or trans because you are giving confusion
There are none so cruel as the self righteous
I’m not gay..my boyfriend is
So you are with a partner who is openly or in denial?
ministros, pastores y sacerdotes deberian ser llevados a terapia de reorientación religiosa.
Em...Eeem...em...eemm....driving me insane dude with the constant "em...eemm"!!!
America, one big Lie 😁
this country is deeply sick
Jordan for the sake of anyone near you lose the word holder space "a-um" "a-uummm" ! It is horribly annoying!! A-ummmm, a-um, aaa-ummm..............
I quite like it ! Anyway , its his story that you should be offended by !
She is literally talking about herself.
All gays can you answer one thing honestly?
You have had some sort gay encounter in your early days due to whatever reason, and then later you discovered that you have attraction towards same sex.?
Be honest please.
Yes
No. I grew up very sheltered with attentive parents, two siblings, grandparents in a little village. No sexual abuse or even physical or emotional abuse.
No, i've never experienced anything like that.
And trust me, when, at a young age, you realize that you are not like others, you search very hard to understand why you are not like anyone else. I wished i could say it came from something i've endured as a child but this is not the case. My childhood was normal except the fact that i had to navigate in a heterosexual world trying to avoid being bullied.
Same! Extremely sheltered. I have 1 brother and 1 sister. I have had an AMAZING childhood. No sexual abuse. And funny thing is, when I started walking (mind you I started walking EXTREMELY early) I would only walk on my tippy toes and would say I was wearing heels. I grew up with amazing parents. I am the only gay sibling and I truly TRILY believe I was totally born this way. And to be honest, people are people! Who we choose to love is NO ONE ELSES right to judge. However if they choose to judge, then judge on! I’m too busy loving everyone for exactly who they are, without restrictions. More people need to experience UNCONDITIONAL LOVE. Meaning love WITHOUT ANY CONDITIONS!!!!! 😢❤
No… I was always drawn towards guys
Ever since a kid I found them more attractive…. No one taught me to be like this…. I just used my eye balls and ears lol.. I looked at girls.. I looked at boys… I’ve listened to the different ways they speak and dress and act… and it was always the boys that drive me crazy 🥴❤️…..
Now I’m an adult… I’m the same.. I still like men.. I even tested it before watching straight p0rn or lesbian p0rn or naked women….. then after then went straight to gay p0rn and as soon as I was watching the gay p0rn my 🍆 stiffened up bad 😅 where as with the straight stuff.. my 🍆 was soft and my heart was beating like normal
I don’t like women and never will and that’s okay.. it’s not a necessity…. It’s not a big deal
It’s stup!d to obsess over social norms 😪 those days are over.. being gay isn’t a big deal
And we should treat adulterers & womanizers with the same approach as yours ...
Some parents aren’t fit to be parents.
Youth? He’s in his freaking 20’s. My doctor was in his 20’s. Being in your 20’s isn’t being a “youth”.
You have to go to medical school for 10 years to be a doctor
@@mayo0006Not in the UK.
He’s talking about youth like him as in when he was teenager there are still youth now being sent to these therapies
In youre 20's you still belong to youth.
20 years old is just a kid. You will realize it when you grow up 😂
I was so gay that my pastor wanted me fresh and young.
Jesus says " hate the sin love the sinner." Jesus loves heterosexuals but not premarital sex only because that's not His plan for us. He knows what's best. He also knows we are failable.
Obviously he does not if so many marriages are ending up in divorce as we speak.
@@keith.anthony.infinity.h Don't put that on God. That's all worldly stuff.
@@ALS_AustNZ arrival is not a worldly thing according to Christians. It is a divine thing made by God as a perfect design for us as humans. But how could it be a perfect design when so many marriages end up in divorce for different reasons?
For example some people end a marriage because they just do not love the person who, they are ,arrived to anymore? What about that?
@@keith.anthony.infinity.hplease clarity what you mean by ‘arrival’. What I’m saying is marriages are failing because they are increasingly based in the world & are not based in Christ’s loner for His church as they should be.
@@ALS_AustNZ It is a typo. Replace the word arrival with marriage.
Can you explain why these marriages are no based in Christ?
Mathew looks soooo hot….. 😍♥️🔥
Its Sin. Stop Fornicating.
You're a liar. Stop sining.
I was gay and then cured by my own determination..... read lots of books, visualising the right kind of sexuality and mannerisms.....now i have zero interest in boys and purely attracted girls. It's possible. Human mind is adaptable, very much pliable. ❤
You either weren't really gay in the first place (bisexual perhaps?) or you are fooling yourself and living a lie. Being gay is not something you need to be "cured" from. Nor is it possible. Oh sure, gays can stop having gay sex and marry a member of the opposite sex. But you will be miserable, as will your spouse.
No, sexual orientation is not adaptable.
You weren't gay in the first place you are only fooling yourself!
Hang on 😂
Being gay and bi is very different
Did you’re 🍆 get hard for ONLY boys or did you get aroused from BOTH boys and girls??
Your sexuality is for you to determine and no one else but I do hope you are being honest with yourself and not trying to be something you are simply not.
Those out of design are all crooked. You have to Love to be straight. Words in this world are all crooked and backward. Those who are able to Love, Live a Life where everyone is Straight (Love).
Bullshit
One who is straight, gay and trans can love. You are dehumanizing people. The great irony is Christians say they are persecuted yet hold the most power and privilege over anyone in the US and most of the West.
No thank you.
Can you describe this design?