THE LIFE OF ELIZABETH I (part 1) | A dangerous childhood | Tudor Monarchs’ Series | History Calling
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- TRAGEDY, LOVE AND SCANDAL. The life of Elizabeth I during her early years had it all. In this History Calling video (the 10th in my Tudor monarchs’ series and my first Elizabeth I documentary), we’ll take an in-depth look at the brief time Anne Boleyn and Elizabeth I had together, before Anne’s fall in 1536 led to her daughter going from the Princess of England, to being declared illegitimate. We’ll learn about the father-daughter relationship between Henry and Elizabeth Tudor and the marriage between her final step-mother, Catherine Parr and Thomas Seymour (who was uncle to her brother, Edward VI) which took place just weeks after Henry VIII’s death. This led to a dangerous childhood experience for the teenaged Elizabeth after she went to live with them and caught her new step-father’s eye and the scandal of Elizabeth I’s relationship with Seymour shocked contemporaries. I’ll talk you through what she and her servants had to say about the matter while under interrogation and how she responded to the rumours that she was pregnant with Seymour’s child. We’ll also look at Elizabeth’s education, her childhood homes (including Hatfield House), and at how King Edward VI and his sister got along. Finally, you’ll hear too about the beginnings of the difficult relationship between Mary and Elizabeth Tudor which would give the latter so many problems during her sister’s reign. Above all, this Tudors’ documentary will demonstrate that the story of Elizabeth I was extraordinary right from the beginning.
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Shouldn’t this be pinned?
I think he was a pedo and Katherine seemed out of character to not notice that anything was happening towards her favorite stepchild
These days it would be called interfering with a minor and Seymour could face criminal charges. And what if he had gone too far and raped or molested Elizabeth? I've got no sympathy he lost his head.
@@handylingua It doesn't seem to matter, people keep bringing it up anyway.
The only thing I find odd is Katherine Parrs behaviour when Seymour cut Elizabeth's gown to shreds....Katherine held her. For a Queen Dowager who appeared to have common sense, this was disturbing.
She was enthralled by him.
She wouldn't be the first person in the world to do something seriously messed up because she was too careless, while in love, to care about implications and impact..
This was her first 'love' marriage; after her previous 3 marriage matches made for the usual political reasons of the time. Thomas Seymour was lukewarm towards her, but she was head-over-heels for him and seems to have been ignorant of him not really reciprocating with as much fervour. She probs considered her marriage to Thomas Seymour as a gift from God; in a time when nobles rarely had love matches. So I'm not surprised that she had some giant blinders and a bias-filter on for much of his grooming behaviour of Elizabeth.
She wanted to believe the best of the only husband she loved, so she did. And acted out of character by helping hurt Elizabeth in the process....
Wishful thinking can take such a dangerous turn, sometimes.
Plenty of women offer up their minor daughters to predatory men for just a scrap of attention or affection from them
Elizabeth's contrasting behavior is characteristic of sexual trauma in youth. It comes from a sense of confusion and fear. Maybe her choice not to marry was just a political one: she was going to rule and not be ruled.
Yes, I think there was probably more than one factor going on with that decision too. She hadn't really seen any happy marriages in her own family either.
Perhaps observing her father's *dysfunctional* relationships with his sixth wives (and their children) didn't exactly give her the most positive view of marriage?
@@KJones-qs7ju exactly....she couldn't really fully trust her closet male friend Robert Dudley who should her nothing but devotion.
it's reported that she vowed she'd never marry after katherine howard's execution, so... not hard to see why she would do that.
@@dalehoward3704 The problem was that Elizabeth made it clear to him from a young age that she would never marry and Robert didn't wait or didn't want to wait and he made the problem worse for everyone but Elizabeth worse - because he married not just once but twice and in the case of both of his wives, he was basically cheating on them to be at Elizabeth's beck and call. For Elizabeth's own part, she IS complicit in this. The minute that she knew/heard that Robert Dudley was married, as much as she loved him, she should have let him go and not bother him anymore. Sadly, she didn't and she did play a role in being an adultery as did Robert Dudley.
"Today died a man of much wit and very little judgement" heh, Elizabeth was savage :D one of the most fascination historicak figures in my opinion
It enrages me to know Katherine Parr didn’t protect Elizabeth as well as she could have. It’s a real shame, especially due to the fact she herself is women in this time, of great intelligence & ambition. But this does happen even today. Shameful.
she was probably blinded by her love for Seymour. She was originally in love with him and wanted to marry him before the king show interest in her
@@minminbtscookie9542 She learned too late that she had fallen in love with the wrong man.
It is more than shameful. It is criminal. If that happened nowadays, which it does, it would result in both of them being arrested for child abuse and endangerment, not to mention they both would be potentially acknowledged as sexual predators or involved with sexual predators.
I see Thomas Seymour as the one huge blind spot in Katherine's intelligence. She was so bright about everything else, but love is blind, yes?
Katherine Howard was about the same age when she was being molested. And we see what happened to her. Sexual abuse was not seen for what it was and the adolescent was blamed.
Imagine being born with a long list of powerful and committed enemies- before you've drawn your first breath. It was and is a mad, mad, mad, mad world.
In the modern era we would call the so-called relationship between Seymour and Elizabeth as abusive. He pursued her as a potential sexual partner and if Elizabeth -was- ever pregnant by him (which I don't believe) it would have been rape. The time she lived in meant that a great deal of the blame fell on her, but realistically Seymour was an older man in control of her person and the house in which she lived while she resided with her stepmother. It's a tragedy. I'm so glad that it was clearly called out in the video.
Thanks Eva. I completely agree.
Elizabeth may have had a young teenage crush on Seymour , but he was grooming her. Remember how quickly he tried to marry her after the death of his wife, Elizabeth’s stepmother & guardian
The narrator’s voice is so beautiful and soothing. And great content too. Thanks so much for this channel.
Thank you so much. That's really lovely of you to say (and it also makes me glad that you can't hear the audio outtakes when I mess up! :-) ). I'm glad you're enjoying the channel. Thanks for watching and commenting.
100% agreed! ❤️
Too many essses, I had to keep the sound down but made as much of it as I could.
@@HistoryCalling Ha you need to put out a bloopers video
Irish, I think 🤔
Excellent video! I’m of the believe that her ordeal with Seymour impacted her greatly and was a huge part of her later ambivalence to marriage as you’ve put it. What was demonstrated to her clearly was that despite her power and position as a member of royal family (albeit still legally illegitimate) she was not protected from predators/opportunists. Though she was too young to remember herself, as a teenager I think she most definitely would’ve learnt about her mother’s fall by then and would’ve most certainly found AB innocent of Henry’s charges, as most people did at the time. AB’s execution and Elizabeth’s own interrogation were proof that royal women can be destroyed with gossip (even when they’re innocent) and that marriage, both in general and especially to an unsuitable partner, can spell ruin for a queen. She need only look at her father’s Aragon divorce, the executions of her mother and stepmother, and later in life, the uprisings incited by her sister’s Spanish match as well as the undoing of Mary Queen of Scots by her last two husbands, Darnley and Bothwell. I also think her perceived capricious reactions towards Seymour were all part of the grooming she was experiencing and indicative of 16th C attitudes towards marriage and courtship, again as you’ve rightly put.
I couldn't have said it better myself :-) I often wonder how Elizabeth found out all the details of Anne's fall and death. It must have been an awful conversation or conversations with whomever had to explain it to her. She certainly would have had a lot to unpack if she'd had access to a modern therapist.
@@HistoryCalling indeed! Imagine explaining to a child her parent was executed.....by order of another parent 🥴
I know. The mind boggles. Poor Elizabeth.
@@HistoryCalling There's no way to know, of course, but given how close they were it was probably Kat Ashley who told her the majority of it. What I wonder is what biases were presented to her in the telling. Was Anne painted sympathetically, or was Henry VIII given more of a pass than he should have been? It was a tough tangle to have to try to unravel for a young girl, either way.
I think another lesson Elizabeth took away from the Seymour scandal was that getting close to anyone--having her welfare and future in any but her own hands--was dangerous. Seymour was jockeying for power, and Elizabeth ended up in the line of fire and found herself in danger because of her proximity to him. She could handle herself, but her servants and others around her (and any future husband) might not be able to. Better to keep her own counsel and keep her distance and avoid potentially being pulled into others' plots and machinations.
Its very disappointing to me that my until now favourite wife of Henry's allowed her stepdaughter to be preyed upon in such a way and even assisted with it at times. Just shows how complex a thing it is to admire historical (or even contemporary) figures.
Some women( abused or otherwise will do anything for the man they love) 😪😪😪poor Elizabeth, she must have been so scared, wondering what he was going to do next and what with him being married to the Queen world have been even more difficult for people around her to protect her, so so sad, even so, she went on to become one of our greatest monarchs, despite what he did to her 😊😊hope you're forever rotting in hell Thomas Seymour😭😖😱
My take on this is that Catherine Parr was sexually frustrated. She was a teenager herself when she married her first husband, and he died soon after the marriage. Her second husband was much older and was already ailing, as was Henry VIII when she married him. It is possible that she had very little sex between these three marriages, or arguably none at all. By the time she married Seymour, she was in her middle thirties, and was desperate for both a meaningful sex life as well as for children, so she would pretty much tolerate anything he did. However, this does not excuse her.
Poor girl Elizabeth. A dangerous childhood without her mother Anne. At the end she was a strong monarch👸👑
Excellent! I'm somewhat familiar with Elizabeth I the Queen. But, learned quite a lot here about her childhood. And, yes, it seems quite reasonable to presume Young Elizabeth's traumatic grooming and many violations likely influenced her disposition toward marriage/relationships.
Thanks!
~TD, Boston
PS: "Opportunist" is clearly but an enabler's euphemism for "Predator." This shameful deflection is still in misuse today.
I am so happy that I have found this Chanel. I am a Texan who cannot get enough of the history to which my relatives bore witness.
Thank you :-)
One does need to wonder about the moral fiber of the Seymours. Also, Edward VI was half Seymour, and he was quite willing to sign orders to send both of his maternal uncles to the block without thinking about it twice. Perhaps it's as well he did not live to adulthood to rule on his own.
This channel has become one of my favorites. Keep up the good work!
Oh wow, that's so lovely of you to say. Thank you. I'm really glad you like the videos. :-)
Totally agree with you...it's also becoming my favorite channel!! I saw this new post and I clicked SOOOO fast!!☺️
I totally agree too, I really look forward to Fridays! x
I'm just playing catch up on your fantastic channel. I can't help but feel that the Seymour's are the one of the shadeist families in history. Their downfalls seem pretty well deserved.
They are quite shady (particularly the brothers). It's interesting that thanks to The Tudors, Thomas Boleyn's reputation has taken a real battering as people actually believe he effectively pimped out his daughters to H8, yet I would say it's in fact the Seymours who were the real power-hunters and who behaved much more poorly than the Boleyn family. Thomas Boleyn actually wasn't too happy about his daughters' relationships with Henry. I'm really glad you're enjoying the channel. Thanks for watching and commenting :-)
I think Edward and Katherine probably thought it was funny to tease poor Elizabeth and had no one who dared to tell them it wasn't. Elizabeth was innocent in all that. She grew wise..
Technically, Thomas Seymour wasn't Elizabeth's stepfather; he was her stepmother's husband.
True, but I think it's the closest description we can get and in any case, the Tudors took a looser approach to those sorts of labels than we do today. For instance Elizabeth referred to Catherine Parr as her mother and she would have called Philip of Spain her brother, rather than brother-in-law. I also remember seeing a document (to go back a couple of generations) in which Henry VII referred to his step-father as simply his father. While I doubt Elizabeth would have called him her father in the way she called Catherine her mother, I think it's reasonable enough that she would have thought of him as a step-father figure (plus a kind of step-uncle, given that he was Jane Seymour's brother). It was certainly a very complicated family tree! :-)
I think by the mores of the day would have considered Seymour Elizabeth’s step-father, especially as she was a princess of the realm.
@@SensualWhirl I would have thought quite the opposite.
In the very beginning I think you accidentally said Henry the 7th instead of 8th. I LOVE this channel 💜 and your voice is so soothing.
I did. I put a little correction in the pinned comment. I don't know how that one slipped past me, but someone let me know when it came out. Mortified! :-) I'm glad you're enjoying the channel.
@@HistoryCalling literally binge watching 🤗
@@HistoryCalling I caught it and I figured folks jumped all over it- it happens. Your video was excellent and informative. I still read varying opinions about how willing a participant she was with Thomas Seymour....Thank you for this series
I love listening to her. This channel is becoming my favorite. I do want to point out that at 1:20 she referred to Elizabeth I parents as Anne Boleyn and Henry VII. It was actually Henry VIII. It threw me off for a second and I had to listen to it again.
Yeah that was weird.
18:47 man, i can just imagine elizabeth during all of that just watching the whole thing go down. saying it was awkward would be an understatement.
Thank you for coming Elizabeth! She is my favourite Tudor ! I have huge admiration and respect for her!! x
She's my favourite too. I actually thought I'd be able to cover her life before her reign in one video, but as you can see, there was so much material I've ended up having to use two to get her to the throne (and then there'll be the videos covering her reign too).
I am hooked on this channel.... I have always been an avid lover of history esp the tudor period and u do not fault in ur videos. You also have thee most loveliest voice almost like asmr.... Keep posting more please!!! ♥️
Thanks Ciara. That's very kind of you to say. I'm glad you're enjoying the channel.
As always, a superb piece of analysis. Thank you.
I'm SOOOO happy I found your channel!! I saw this new post and I clicked it immediately!! I watch a lot of things that have to do with The Tudors on RUclips and for some reason you have content and pictures that I have never seen before!.. thank you for that!! Much appreciated 😊
Thank you. That's such lovely feedback to get. I suppose content is a matter of choice (some people will choose to put the focus on different things), though it also depends on how research someone does for their videos. As for the images, that's LOTS of research behind the scenes and a reluctance to just lift things off Wikimedia Commons and try no harder than that, which is a trap I feel a lot of RUclipsrs fall into. Some of the images are also photos I've taken myself. Take care.
I'm loving your channel. I've studied the Tudors for decades and I learned new information from this series. Kudos!
I don't take a position on anything said here as it's all history I know, interestingly re-told; and I thoroughly enjoyed the video. Just one point - was Thomas Seymour really considered to be Elizabeth's step-father? He was, after all, husband to her widowed step-mother. And whilst she undoubtedly had many step-mothers, all were married to her father. A true stepfather could only have been Anne's second husband - had she ever managed to escape Henry via a divorce court. Rather, surely Seymour was to Elizabeth a step-Uncle, being the brother of her step-mother Jane Seymour?
I wish the narrator did all narratives. So eloquent. I love this station. Thank you so much from 🇨🇦
Wow and lady Margret Bryan had a very long life from 1468-1552 that is very impressive
Thank you so much for your videos. The crazy- ass Tudors et al. are so interesting. This particular video made me remember the 1953 movie “Young Bess,” starring Jean Simmons as Elizabeth, Deborah Kerr as Catherine Parr and Stewart Granger as Thomas Seymour. Charles Laughton played Henry 8. It’s been a million YEARS since I’ve seen the movie, so I’m going to look for it on Prime and hopefully rent it. Have a great week!
Hi Nancy. Thanks for watching and commenting. I hope you have a great weekend too and enjoy the movie :-)
I remember that movie.
😂lI agree I remember that film it was soo good wonder if I can get it on DVD
The movie "Young Bess" presented Elizabeth as much older than she was at the time and genuinely in love with a "heroic" Thomas Seymour. He is totally whitewashed by the production (after all, he was being played by the dashing Stewart Granger), and somehow innocently falls afoul of the law and is beheaded while trying to "save" England from its internal enemies, and is deeply mourned by both Elizabeth and Edward VI. The film is unhistorical and the heroic romanticization of Seymour really quite disgusting. The amount of salt needed to digest it is enormous. (Deborah Kerr, though, gives a pleasing performance as Katherine Parr; wish the film had been about her life instead.)
Do we know how she got the new clothes? I can’t imagine a mostly negligent father pushed aside any Ill feelings he had to arrange something necessary. In the Tudors, Jane Seymour sends a necklace so Elizabeth can have what she needed but we don’t have any documentation that she actually had done that
I love your videos and have been sharing them with every Tudor-phile I know! I noticed that you called Kat Ashley "Kat Astley". Was that the pronunciation of the time, or a regional pronunciation of "Ashley"?
I actually debated that myself. I've seen it written both ways and decided the best thing to do was to just pick one and be consistent with my usage. You can absolutely say Ashley though. Thanks for watching and recommending the videos :-)
Kat Astley is never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down
I also love the way you said what it was....grooming and assult
You have a most lovely narrative voice, very pleasant and made for easy listening. One correction; however. You stated that Elizabeth was born to Henry the Seventh and Ann Boylen, but I think everyone knew you meant Henry the Eighth. Just a mistake in speaking that we all make.
Yes a very enjoyable watching experience. The one thing that puzzled me was calling Henry 8th Henry 7th in the first sentence. Otherwise fabulous. I have always loved 😍hearing about the tudor dynasty, they all had such amazing personalities, very different ❤but all very strong albeit in different ways. I will be watching 👀every episode avidly 😊
That was just a little slip up. I put a correction in the pinned comment up top. I'm glad you enjoyed the video nevertheless :-)
Just found you and I’m really impressed with the videos and content. Thank you x
Thank you so much :-)
@@HistoryCalling I’m a huge Elizabeth fan I even have “video et taceo” tattooed on my web in honour of a truly fascinating queen.
Excellent, informative series! Really enjoy each presentation. Thank you.
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it. :-)
Can you tell me why were hear so very little about Anne's mother? All we know about her was that she was the sister of the Duke of Norfolk. I'd like to know why after Anne's death Henry didn't send his daughter to live with her still living grandparents. How did Anne's mother feel towards her disgraced husband after his actions caused the death of two of their children and his banishing their only remaining child still alive. Or why didn't Henry send Elizabeth to live with Mary and her family if he wanted nothing to do with her? No one ever seems to talk about these things which makes me very curious indeed.
Because, whatever else, Elizabeth was HIS daughter, and had the potential to follow him on the throne. She was still a pawn I his game that he was not prepared to sacrifice by sending her to live with disgraced relatives, especially, I suspect, Mary.
Elizabeth Boleyn was an enigmatic figure. She was at court as a girl, where she met her husband, and remained in Anne's household for the duration of her life as queen consort. It was really Anne who was responsible for Mary's banishment from court, and from what I've read, though do not have evidence for, Lady Wiltshire sided with Anne. (It wasn't the first time Mary's romantic life had embarrassed the family.) I don't think her feelings about what happened to Anne and George were known; she retired to the country and died two years after they did.
So happy for every new video you make! Beautiful voice & awesome job as always! Have a pleasant weekend Queen!!! 👑
Thank you. That's really lovely of you to say. Have a great weekend too. :-)
I really love your voice and I am loving the series! The videos rae very well researched and interesting! Please keep making more such videos on royal families
1:15 you’d say daughter of Henry 7th instead of Henry 8th
I'm still waiting to see if this was accidental or intentional
I am listening to this on Elizabeth's birthday 🎂 ❤
Elizabeth didn't ask to be the product of an adultery and an ungodly relationship, and she certainly is guilty of crimes that she herself committed later, like her half-sister Mary, and like her, they both had largely traumatic childhoods and one can feel both sympathy and disgust at what they were and what they became. Bottom line - All of this could have been avoided had Catherine been allowed to remain in Spain and marry a man of her choosing in the Lord, rather than let her parents badly pick for her younger boys - and if one researches her siblings, they didn't all make successful or happy marriages either and Catherine should have learned from the warnings of her eldest sister who was grossly treated by both her husband and her parents and later her son and likewise, Henry would have been wise to peacefully wish his sister in law Catherine well and wait to marry whom he wanted in the Lord. Just a catastrophic mess either way you research it, but at least people can learn NOT to do the bad things these people did - hopefully, especially marrying underage boys/pedophilia and engage in adultery/infidelity. As for Katherine Parr, her final marriage was her undoing and she fell in love with the wrong man.
Love Friday for my history fix!! Thank you. X
You're very welcome. Glad you're enjoying the content. :-)
it's extraordinary, the differences between our view of that predatory, paedophile behaviour, with Katherine being....what? ....trauma bonded to Seymour......in a co-dependent relationship?.....I feel sorry for all the women involved. Seymour was obviously a ghastly fortune hunting predatory type, reckless of any harm to the women, as long as he could benefit himself. Katherine must have had a very difficult life. She was a kind step mother. She managed to survive Henry. Kudos for that. I love the line...if Seymour had had half the wit of Elizabeth....but he didn't. Excellent episode.
Thoroughly enjoyed this concise and enlightened video of Queen Elizabeth. Thank you
Wait.. In the beginning you sa Henry the seventh, wasn't he the eighth or have I misunderstood anything? Your videos are great, I've been on a binge on your channel since yesterday
Yes me too!
Well in Elizabeth's defense with how she would react to that fool Thomas Seymour's advances and other actions, as she was still a child and she wouldn't fully understand what he was trying to do hence her mixed reaction. I think Katherine at first was too besotted by Seymour that she didn't fully come to terms with what he was plotting and trying to do with her stepdaughter, but when she finally saw them embracing, (though I don't feel that Elizabeth was fully willing doing so as Seymour would have easily been able to hold her in place against her will and she wouldn't be able to do anything but pray that someone would come along and force him to release her) that was what opened her eyes to how obsessed he was with the poor girl. So Katherine might have been trying to in the best way she could protect her stepdaughter, hence why she was sent away. I don't think Elizabeth would have ever been willing to marry Seymour as she was no fool and would never lower herself to be with someone like that.
Dear History Calling, I love your videos!! But I did want to point out that right as you were introducing the birth of Elizabeth, you said she was the daughter of Anne and Henry VII and not Henry VIII. :)
Elizabeth I was extremely intelligent. If Henry had been a loving & kind father, he would’ve been very proud of her
It always strikes me at her intelligence, that at the age of 2, Elizabeth was aware when her attendants stopped calling her Princess and started calling her Lady Elizabeth
great video! cant wait for part 2
Thank you. It's coming soon! :-)
Excellent I enjoy this so much
Thank you for this video!
You are very welcome! :-)
@@HistoryCalling Would you ever consider doing a video on Mary, Queen of Scots? :)
@@joanofthetower4887 Yikes, I'm sorry. I just saw this. RUclips doesn't notify me about responses on threads, so I have to check them manually. Yes, I would definitely like to look at Mary in the future. She'll be covered (albeit from Elizabeth's point of view) in the next couple of Elizabeth videos though, if that helps.
Great video, thanks!
You're welcome!
Daughter of Henry VII? (Smile) I’ve loved these videos! Great job.
Well done!!!
Thank you :-)
Has anyone read a book called ' Pour the Dark Wine' it tells the story of Elizabeth and that she suffered from testicular feminisation syndrome which meant she could never have children, in a Call the midwife episode they covered this syndrome. It would answer the question why she never married. The book is written by Deŕyn Lake. It's an interesting theory?
I've never read it myself, but it's an interesting idea. I take it it's fiction though? I've never seen any source which suggests this.
I love the tudors we be learning about them but her step father was technically sexual abuse in are time it was not her fault .
I love your channel well done on the amazing video and my friends are like how do you know the teh tudors names and the fact about them I say about them.
Hi Anne, thank you for watching and for your very kind comments. I'm delighted you're enjoying the channel. Yes, I think Seymour would have been classed as an abuser nowadays as well.
@@HistoryCalling Thank you for hearting and agreeing with me .
Congratulations 2.63k subscribers and
You're very welcome :-)
@@HistoryCalling I think Jane Seymour was a fair step mother but I don't like but she kind to Elizabeth 1st I wish Anne Boleyn gave him son with Elizabeth but she miscarriage. 😣😮😮😮😮😯😯😯😧😢😢😢
Queen Elizabeth 1st is awesome.
Yes, I think she was a good step-mother all things considered too. I might do a video on that topic at some point actually ...
I only mention this because your shows are so fantastic, a Canadian fan
Queen Elizabeth I Father was actually King Henry VIII and not Henry VII, HOWEVER, I LOVE all your work and will never miss any of it! My favourite topic. Thank you!!!
Seymour was a predator in my opinion.
You realize that you said in the beginning of this video that Elizabeth’s father was HenryVII.
I noticed that too
Me too... I thought I was hearing things lol x
I had to come to the comments immediately coz I couldn't believe my ears!
A lot of new information for me. Thanks
I love your channel! One thing though… at the beginning you say that elizabeth is the daughter of henry the seventh not eighth
What I don’t get is how any of this flew under the radar of someone so usually astute as Katherine parr. She was known for being a protective stepmother and Elizabeth was her favorite so how did she not catch onto the fact Seymour was making moves on the girl?
Denial, possibly.
If there is an afterlife I can imagine that Henry VIII must hate looking up (the man was evil…! There’s no way he is looking down from Heaven…!) and seeing that his daughter is seen as one of the greatest monarchs England had while he is seen as nothing more than a fat and bloated cruel man…
Can I suggest a change to your Intro Music? Henry VIII “Pastyme with good companye”.
I'm pretty sure we can all agree that a 14 year old -- even in the sixteenth century -- could not consent.
Bit of a nasty fellow this Seymour chap! No self control, no integrity. Eventually received what he deserved.
So sad as this is definitely sexual abuse and she had to constantly avoid him.
I am glad that you called it what it was, grooming.
Oh, absolutely. He'd (hopefully) be in prison nowadays.
Narrator: "...and hopefully produce the longed for male heir..."
Closed captioning: "...and hopefully produce the long four meal heir..." 🤦🏻♀️
Oh wow! I've never looked at the closed captioning before. So close and yet so far! :-) I'm sure it doesn't like my accent. These things tend to be designed with Americans and English people in mind I find.
@@HistoryCalling I'm sure that's it...not that they're ever fully accurate regardless of accents. I just feel bad for people that depend on CC to watch anything, because they've got to be so lost much of the time. I do imagine, given the context, that most people could probably decipher this one though. It's like a little game built into the documentary. 😊
Hi by the way if Mary queen of Scots was never killed and was queen of England in 1603 do you think she would have been a great ruler like Elizabeth and got everyone to love her and do you think the gun powder plot would have happened and do you think Guy Fawkes would still try kill a monarch if James mother was on the English throne by the way love your videos
No, I don't think she was ever in the running to be a great ruler (her attempt to rule Scotland was a disaster after all) and certainly not of England which was very anti-Catholic by that point. No, I doubt the Gun Powder plot would have occurred. That was an attempt to get rid of a Protestant King, so as a Catholic, Mary would have been safe enough from Fawkes and his followers. Others might have tried to kill her though.
@@HistoryCalling oh okay thanks imagine if Thomas Seymour married Elizabeth and they had a child what would have happened in Edwards reign and Mary’s reign they both could be killed and so could there child right
I think Edward/Mary would have done the same thing Elizabeth did to one of Lady Jane Grey's sisters who married without permission - declared the marriage void and any children illegitimate. Elizabeth wasn't allowed to marry without the permission of the council and she and Thomas would never have received it.
@@HistoryCalling oh okay because if that happened there would have been really bad chaos because Thomas Seymour would have kidnapped Edward or killed him to get closer to the throne and if they had a child and Edward made the child 3rd in line to the throne then I think they would have over throne Mary or there would be fight for religion or something crazy like that what do you think that would have been scary for both Edward and Mary because of Thomas power and it would have caused massive chaos in England and I feel like Thomas is a scary guy he probably would have killed both Edward and Mary or kidnapped them or over throne one of them replaced Elizabeth sent them to the tower and have them executed right away because I don’t trust this Seymour and I think Elizabeth would also be scared as well what do you think of my idea
Yes, I agree the idea of Thomas Seymour in power is not a good one and I guess his brother thought so too, given what happened. Thomas wasn't as clever as he liked to think I'm afraid.
You say, at the beginning, that she was the daughter of Henry the SEVENTH but she was the daughter of Henry the EIGHTH, as far I know and can tell.
At the beginning you say, “daughter of Henry VII and his second wife Anne Boleyn.” Just so you know. But thank you for another great video!
Read HC's question above.
To answer Jean Rhodes, I am only repeating what I read in a novel, I did not say it was true, I just thought it an interesting theory. There would not have been an autopsy as she was a Queen and no suspicious circumstances in her death.
I had no idea that Elizabeth went through that abuse!
I love all your videos they're awesome but I'm curious do you know the dress that Princess Diana was buried in I've watched her since I was little I think she's awesome who is she related to from the past
Thank you. I'm glad you like the channel. Um, it's a little morbid, but yes, I do have a potential answer to that. I recall watching a documentary about her passing in which I think it was mentioned that she was put in a black dress by the attendants in Paris, so I would imagine it was probably that. The Spencer family go WAY back, so a shorter answer would be to list who she wasn't descended from. :-) I believe her ancestors included Charles II however (and therefore Mary, Queen of Scots and Margaret Tudor too), but a quick Google should give you more than I can.
@@HistoryCalling thank you for getting back to me I loved her in life I thought she was very beautiful lady Diana Princess Diana I've been a fan of her since I've been little and I hope they put her in a beautiful outfit when she passed away I don't think that is morbid it I think any of our relatives that passed away we want to know if they're dressed nice or what they have to wear when they pass away I never knew her in real life but it's like she was real from the pages of the book every moment of her life was told to the world it's like we all knew her she was so lovable God Rest her soul Princess Diana will be loved and missed by by everyone thank you for history calling me back you are amazing
You're very welcome. Yes, she was an amazing woman.
@@HistoryCalling yes but wrong side of several mistresses’ blankets. Not legitimately descended from the royal line.
Her voice sounds like one of the Actors in Broadwalk Empire.
1:16 - Henry 8th not Henry 7th?
Henry 7th??? , I am really shocked you did not catch that in editing.
Hi small thing at 1.17, would it not be Henry VIII not VII?
Thank you for all your work on this
You seem to forget that it was Elizabeth that LOWERED the age of consent during her rule. She lowered it to 12!! But you speculate that something between Seymour and her is why she never married. You also ascribe current ideals about any form of relation between them with modern views. At that time she was considered old enough to marry
it was 12 from 1275. it was lowered to 10 for rape and stern punishments in 1576.
I agree I think she lost her virginity to him
1:15 needs a wee correction I think 😌☺️
Anne was not married to Henry VII as she stated in the beginning.
Hello. Hope you're ok this week. Alison
Thank you, I am. Hope you're well too.
@@HistoryCalling yes thanks. Just watching your video and enjoying. Had my second Vaccine today and it's made me very lethargic x
I haven't had my second yet but my first made me feel fairly unwell for about 24 hours. Hope you feel better soon. It'll be worth it :-)
I'm confused .. wasn't Elizabeth the daughter of Henry the VIII and Anne Boleyn? (Narrator, see time stamp 1:14 - 1:18)
I wanted to learn more of Elizabeth partly because she showed some kind of understanding of the fact that no matter how much one knows one still has to have morals to succeed. She is more interesting than some of the others who have been emphasized too much like John Churchill or Charles Stuart II. I put some comments on the internet complaining of John's incredibly sexist (against women ) behavior and some other things about him, and I got some "thumbs up, I like it" signals for that and some decent comments, but I also got scathing lies and abuse saying John's behavior was interesting and that he was a real favorite with the ladies, which makes me sick because he was extra degrading to them even in a time very bad to them to begin with. He didn't even have the courage to wed more publicly, if he even did wed. Was the marriage certificate forged later? Maybe someone should check that. His case is highly unusual in history, and I do not know why more English people could not see how bad he was. I am not trying to say my own country had nothing but perfect people. Over here some consider it just fine to totally ruin an innocent person's life as long as you call the cruelty freedom of speech, which is stupid. One idiot even told me to have more respect for Barbara Villiers. Um, no because I don't want to be a victim of human trafficking. What were these people who contradicted me about John doing? Torturing kidnapped two year olds in their basement? John was one of the many men who had a trashy personal affair with Barbara, which she was often paid for by men (bad), but John took her money making him extra pathetic. English history sometimes emphasizes the wrong people.
I love her voice too and I love her videos!!!!!
Wait, did I just here that E1 was the daughter of Henry the 7th & his 2nd wife Anne Bolyn? 🤔
I love your history videos.....but....seriously daughter of Anne Bolyen and Henry VII??????!!!
She knew. See pinned question from HC above.
I think you’ll find her father is Henry the eighth not to 7th as quoted at 1.16
Do we know if anyone then felt Elizabeth would be a better leader? If the Pope could have ok-ed Henry's marriages , would he still have turned to Protestantism?
her father was henry 8th not the 7th
Don’t you think in your opinion that Anne Boleyn was the best of Henry the viii wives because I think she is the best compare to the rest of Henry the viii wives don’t you think
Hmm, depends how you define 'best' I think. I've always found her the most interesting to read about and she has the most fascinating story, however if I was going to be friends with one of them, I suspect I'd get along better with Catherine Parr. I think Anne Boleyn could be pretty sharp and I can't get past how badly she treated Mary. I'm sure Anne of Cleves was pleasant enough too, but I don't speak German :-)
Oh okay by the way I am so shocked about how Catherine Howard is a Catholic I thought she was a Protestant
@@HistoryCalling The thing is that Anne actually DID try to approach Mary in a softer way several times but was always rebuffed very haughtily (Understandable ofc). She DID try. And Mary's treatment actually WORSENED after Anne's death, so I'm thinking that the majority of it falls back to HENRY, not Anne.
@@elisabetta611 Interesting.
Price Charles , price Anne, Prince Andrew and prince Edward in 1963.
❤thank you 😅
Henry vii was her grandfather.
So sad history ❤
Thaanks