Hey Preach are you not doing overviews for each of the classes/specs? Or maybe one each of the roles? If not I understand cause there’s so much to each one but your pre Legion and BFA series were some of favorite content. Either way we love the work you and the team are doing, I look forward to watching the world first race!
From what I understand, if they were going to do Class/spec Overviews, Fingle would be the person to do em. Though I get the feeling that the multiple systems in Shadowlands are deterring Preach and the gang from putting out any class guides because they could be completely flipped on their heads with a single Patch. He's really been helping Preach out in terms of getting footage for Shadowlands, especially during the Alpha and Beta.
Worth noting that not only is the gear advantage small, in a lot of cases it will be ZERO. By the time you've killed 7 bosses and you're fighting sludgefist, on average 1/3 of the raid will have had zero items drop. So you can swap all of those characters out for characters better suited to the final few bosses for free.
just as a side note: Sire Denathrius is one of the most fun encoutners Blizz created in recent years ... like the difference between Denathrius as last boss of the 1st tier and Nzoth as the last boss of an xpac is so big ...
I didnt play the fight yet, but I am really looking forward to it. In my mind I will probably compare Denathrius to Ghuun. After killing Ghuun on heroic I stopped raiding because I hated it so much. For me it was the worst boss in terms of fun I played on progression. I stopped playing nyalotha at some point as well, but that was more due to corruption, and, at least for me, not because the raid was bad. Though I do get how many people did not like Nzoth. But since I have generally heared good things about Denathrius I have really high hopes :D
@@ashamancito4630 Denathrius on normal was pretty simple. but it was intense enough to keep you on your toes with the massacre mechanic, hand of destruction interaction with the mirrors. really fun fight.
Not just denathrius (didn't get there yet) but their initial bosses are really great. Even the first one is good (1st one of ny'alotha was good as well), altimor is good, artificer is great, sun king is fine (for larger raids, size scaling is messed up for small raids)
They're probably waiting till Monday so they can see what they get from their Mythic + runs. Or maybe they've pissed off the rng gods and not got the ones they've wanted.
@@RyanEX2000 This is not a issue of them not having the ones they want guild wide. This is Echo holding off for probable tuning with the reset and waiting for early gear and checking which boss is going to be the wall to get past.
I am personally loving the lower loot drops in dungeon and raid. I ran 6 dungeons yesterday, and did 4 raid bosses, without a single loot drop. Maaan I am so glad I pay for this experience. SO GREAT!
I am a casual, and I am so tempted to just stick to pvp and dailies. Takes way less time to do, and you know for a fact in pvp you are going to get what you want. Sucks pvp gear will be so far behind even just heroic raid gear for like 6 weeks
Well, nobody having a gear advantage would suggest an advantage for Limit, yeah? Isn't that the whole gamble of Echo's approach, that their preferred characters will be more geared?
i think preach's point was that if the race goes to 2nd week echos is gonna be able to trade gear by running multiple raids with 3-5 characters of the same class and then using the highest geared to trade important loot and then have a stronger roster in that week
I liked old Method but since Nyalotha I became a big Limit fan. I really like Max and I really like how they streamed their comms. I hope they dominate this tier as well.
You would probably know better than anyone. I had a question about the economies of these guilds. are there guilds that arent going for world first but aree kinda close tot he level, that would sell gear and lock outs to the WF guilds? say a guild that has downed everything but denathrius or whatever, and bringing 5 or 10 members from Limit or Echo for a few million gold and selling the spots to them and any gear that drops? basically a feeder guild for the main guild?
@derp derpin yeah I was wondering if they were potentially buying split runs from other guilds. Ot could increase the number of splits they do without the extra hassle of leveling a new character for the 10th time or whatever. I know they are fast but still, curious.
This looks like it’s going to be quite a close race. Unfortunately not a global release. I hope these tracking websites are tracking time to kill each boss from raid opening in each region coz I think it could come down to that metric.
@@Robin...222 when region didn’t matter coz the world first contenders were European in the same zone. But now as there is more guilds and the game brings the gap closer the true world first should come down to time. Only way to be fair. Obviously it won’t matter to the actual competition but will definitely count who is the true best in my book.
I mean if you start 1 day before others is it really a race though? With all the preparation these guilds do one day might be all it takes. World first should be adequate to total time spent not first kill
No world first raid group is really happy with the way it is right now. America has the advantage of starting earlier, whereas europe has the advantage of seeing what's happening and getting the "fixed" fights straight away. Fixed because of day 1 hotfixes blizzard puts out every tier for broken or bugged bosses. Advantages and disadvantages on both sides... But still stupid.
@@hellboy19991 maybe the early bosses but the ones that mattered method always reached first so up until last tier, they had double disadvantage and still won..
Unless you have a very crucial reason to stay in that guild just leave. I left my guild a day ago and joined another and like night and day the game changed I actually got to do some non pugged M+.
i hope limit wins again this time, method or echo as they call themselves now always look like they are not having fun, on the other side, watching limit and hearing their open comms was amazing and you could hear and see them having a blast doing prog.
@@hellboy19991 so from what I've found out online. You get a holy priest to use guardian spirit on Kael, then get your healers and dps with off heals to absolutely pump him with heals for 10 seconds
To give a clearer example. You can boost a Resto Shaman/Mistweaver to stupid hps. Use 2 Holy Priests for Guardian, have 2 Innervates and 2 Power Infusion. With that setup especially Shaman and Monk go ham on the Boss. Druid can also Pump st, have a few of those and you barely have to play p1. P2 not really getting too much harder with time makes having less overall dps absolutely fine. You can Phase the Boss 30-40s after pull
This is a terrible mistake. Blizzard is so bad about this. Something is overtuned or giving an unfair advantage? Ok. We will fix it next week, punishing all those who weren't able to take full advantage of it last week. Like wtf? Just leave it as it is for this raid tier and fix it for future ones
Other games I have played either immediately hotfix, keep the system for awhile to give everyone a chance, or revert back whatever advantage said players may have gotten.
They already nerfed from what I've seen. Was supposed to be a reset fix but evidently they couldn't abide people getting 5 loot per 20 people rather than 3...
Bois, can we just give blizzard a prop for the mechanics of the raids? going from ny'alotha to this (etc for ra-den, he was fun imo) it's a MASSIVE step up.
@@KittenCritters Admittedly I did post that only about 1/4th through before he mentioned he wasn't trying to discount other guilds. That said, I do think his focus on those two isn't giving Pieces enough credit, they've been building momentum through BfA and that, along with Echo's growing pains even as a mostly-established roster, should make this a story of the top 3, not 2.
@@Kaiser_rudolf Yeah I was wrong, sadly. I hope next tier it opens up; a single dominant guild is boring (see old Method), a two-horse race between an NA and EU team ended up really toxic with a bunch of "fans" spouting nonsense. If future tiers see real competition from Pieces, Fat Shark Yes, and BDGG it'll be both more exciting and less awful in the chats.
Why do people think Shadowlands is Alt Friendly? There's still a massive anima grind, and you have to do the Renown grind all over again? I only want to play for two hours per day. It is not possible to gear an alt.
@@DeDaDoDu Have you even played this expansion? I have not encountered any of that. Anima is required for the cosmetic rewards. And Renown is locked behind weekly quests. Which also locks a lot of the rewards.
There is no anima grind, most of the 1000 you'll get from content you'll do anyway and throw in 2-3 wqs to fill it. That's also the first renown, the second you'll get while you're doing the maw which you'd also be doing anyway for the sockets later on. (tedious yes, definitely more of a grind, but still not as bad as islands since your time there is limited.) Now take a look at torghast, which to be fair requires a bit more time investment at the start, just to unlock it completely. (much easier and faster in groups) However less of a hassle after that, since you'll only do the highest layer of each wing. The real grind this time (as said multiple times throughout the video) is the gear your characters are wearing. Anything else is cosmetic and of no consequence in this context.
Goodluck with that as US is about 8 hours after EU, meaning that when they get a new raid its usually 4-5 PM here in Sweden the day before ours launch, kinda bullshit tbh as US can easily claim world first way before others just by this simple thing.
@@dennispyxen7873 Yeah but, fortunately speaking, the 8 hours haven't really influenced any winners yet. When Limit won, it was by way more than the 8 hour headstart.
@@faveology they should measure it by which guild killed it within the least amount of progression time. That should prove which guild is the best one, not which ones who have played it the most hours.
Thank you for a very very nice video. This just proves that blizz should not try to change the game to push out split runs and multicharactering bcs as you see clearly. These guilds spend every single second and take every single advantage they can to secure a victory! Which to me is also really amazing to see, how much minmaxing can be done
Instead of using the pillars to heal per the mechanic, as I understand it they are just taking a load of healers in there and spamming the boss instead.
Lots of yikes info came out about what a certain member of Method. So other members didnt want to be associated with the Method brand anymore and made Echo. You can google what happened.
@@shinon748 Not just one member of method, though one method member is the worst offender. It would be forgivable as far as the guild was concerned if they hadn't enabled him and kept him on knowingly as long as they possibly could.
@@Smidztv have u seen the clip when josh is talking to the police with his mic on and every1 shouts at him to mute Rhen laugh about ut? Yeah they knew about it alright so keep defending them blindly 🤪🙃
How does even Limit/Method find the way to get all their millions of gold, are they really buying tokens for that amount? I'd say that would be a huge waste of real life money.
that gold will be borrowed from the big boosting communities. Last tier/xpac, some was actually bought from a community, dont think we'll be seeing that again. But arrangements like "ok, you buy those boe's for us and we pay you back over a few months via boosting once the race is over" are the way it's done
Maybe you could do a thing to raise money for you and the team when you go off to cast. That way it's not a loss and we can more or less pay for that time your gone?
I'm curious about how people feel about the fact that so much RL money is spent and how that effects the "competitive integrity", seems legit shady. I hate, hate, HATE that Mythic BOE's drop. Silly.
Mythic BoEs are nice for a majority of the community. Just because there's shananigans by world first guilds to buy them and spend potentially $100s in server transfers and whatnot doesn't mean they need to go.
@@HT-jj5sx Where did you get these numbers from? I heard it was a gold loan, hence all the runs they did afterwards so most of the $$$ spent came from blizzard services. Also, half a mil a slot isn't bad. You can make a lot of money quick in WoW if you know how, and theres still players with 20+ mil gold earned from WoD.
@@Jaigarful There is a whole breakdown of Skype logs with the info with the gold sellers ( I think Asmon even went over the whole thing for a couple hours with the actual broker). You can see the RL telling the dude "let me know when we get to 9k", then later bumping it up to 10k. I really dislike the idea that this portion of Wow has become kinda Pay to Win. Cheapens the whole deal really.
tl:dr version. Some members of the team or staff (don't remember) got #metoo'd. No idea if it was legit, but the shtistorm was so bad that they were forced to kick the accused members, who happened to be fairly critical in their positions, and it completely collapsed the entire thing.
@@abeardedhoboTV no, i don't remember. I didn't keep up with celebrity rather than to note that it was yet another #metoo shitstorm which seemed to be more than happy to paint everyone with the same brush, namely guilty. and given how such things go, with people not caring about guilt or innocence and screaming at the top of their lungs, didn't seem much point parsing out what happened because everyone was going to insist they were right, while the innocent and guilty get punished alike.
@@luciussvartwulf6630 there was nobody innocent in this Story mate. It was just a horrible piece of shit abuser and people that choose to ignore it and still raid with one.
Someone explain me this: Method got burnt cause supposedly they all knew what a piece of crap Josh was and hid it. Now they all leave, make a new guild named Echo, and suddenly all is cool again while Sco is left to sink with the ship?
Method got burnt because the leadership of the guild should have done more about the whole Josh sitaution. This idea that the raiders all knew and should be blamed for "not noticing sooner" is a very common idea that is wrong in almost all cases. When people say "If it was someone close to me, I would have known" they're just ignorant. If there's anything research can tell us for sure it's that in cases like this, the people closest to the perpetrator very seldom know or notice. They are not to blame, it's just basic behaviour.
Sco knew for sure though as it was reported to him and other leaders, and he is at the top of that pile, whereas the guys who just log on to play video games likely didn't get involved in weird politics. Normal people don't know everything about the people they play games with. They have real life friends for drama.
@@axelwedelin92 bud they knew was josh was doing but winning the world first race was more important. Any of them could have said something and had him removed from the team but they didnt
@@VeeDubBeetle Like I said, if it was you or me, the likelihood is, none of us would have known and done anything either. That's just the stats talking. He was their friend, he downplayed it, he made them trust him, they didn't want it to be true etc. etc. It's just the way it is.
I hope a third guild takes the win. I can't stand Complexity Limits raidlead (He seems like a douce, in my opinion. Also the fact that their mage sues another over some dumb BS with a name, which he does not have ownership of - i know, i know its just two guys, but its the initial impression i have of them) nor do i want Echo to win, because its basicly all of the method raiders and i think you are delusional, if you say that they didnt know anything about Josh or the others behaviour.
Anyone who has ever been manipulated by a psycho asshole will tell you that people in method very likely did not know. That is the entire point of manipulation. I've been there, and it takes A LOT to realize what is going on.
@@OWnIshiiTrolling You didn't even need to be a part of method to know Josh was sus as hell. You get to know someone pretty well when you spend twelve hours a day with them for a few weeks at a time. They knew.
I can't see how having multipul of the same class will work, when there is no loot. And they knew their would be no loot either. This was well said before time. Surely having the chance to have 18 hunters is FARRRR superior, and has clenched a number of previous end bosses
@@nhagan001 how can this still be taken seriously when the regions dont even start at the same time? blizzard are so clueless, i left during legion and it seems they are still WAY behind the times
@@greguk2 Ironically there have been times where the headstart hasn't done the Yanks any good. The Jaina fight from the Siege of Dazalor (misspelled probably) from BFA was one such case. I believe Method (think this was the WF race that Preach was hosting in Europe. I forget the exact city) ended up winning the race despite the headstart. Most of the time I have watched the race, despite the headstart, the race tends to come down to being very close. I can't recall a race where the headstart just made it downright unfair, except maybe the Emerald Nightmare from Legion, but that was because the Raid wasn't tuned correctly.
@@nhagan001 yeah but its only a matter of time before it will matter. Like preach talks about in this video it would be cool to have a 8 horse race or so. Problem is when there is that level of close competitiveness no one, and I mean NO one cam argue a whole day isn't a fuckin monumental advantage
I honestly don't care about the race to world first in a world where the wow token and boes exist. It's so difficult to feel like the playing field is legitimately fair when a group of players with a sponsor can buy up that type of ilvl advantage that the normal player doesn't have access to. That being said, I love your videos and coverage of all things wow. :)
@@MarkusAndersen96 the fire bird is supposed to do that. You kill it so it does it less. Then it comes back and does it again. It's one of very few mechanics lol. The stacking is what kills everyone I've pugged with. They run away like eejits. I kept trying to stand on people when I had it and they ran away from me. Most people who play this game are objectively terrible at it.
It's absurd how bad the typical wow player is. The game is so fucking easy too. I wonder what draws baddies to this game? Even the "best" players in this game are awful, they will wipe 500+ times to a boss.
Echo did lose Sco, as he stayed with his guild, but the recruitment of Naowh is a great one by Echo, Naowh is a fantastic tank. I'm not saying he's as good as Sco or worse, but lets for arguement sake say he's as good, then Echo are just as strong as Method were before this whole disband thing.
He is 100% better than Sco. Sco is still a top 100 raider, but he isn't world first material and hasn't been for a long time. He should have been benched back in WoD like Treckie was. Before some autist starts shouting at me for calling him bad, I'm not. There's just a difference between a great tank and the best of the best.
cool, so you've already cleared mythic then since you can already judge that it's a joke. You should be a coach for limit with all that in depth knowledge.
any one who played beta should be excmept and not allow to be part of worlds first because any one who played beta got nearly a year advantage over other players
Preach please stop using this layout - it does not add value and takes away from being able to see anything on the actual footage you are showing If you just want people to listen, make a podcast, not a youtube video
What race? The guilds have been wiping to these encounters for weeks or months. And apparently now the US guilds get their day head start and they are declared winners anyway, lol.
@@td6460 Actually, if you watch some of the PTR testing, you will find that even fights that Preach has tested himself HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY FLIPPED ON THEIR HEADS BEFORE RELEASE. It even happened during the live Mythic WF race of battle of dazar'alor. The Jaina fight was changed AS SHE WAS BEING FOUGHT. So no, while they do raid test on the PTR, not all fights stay the same as they were in the PTR.
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Hey Preach are you not doing overviews for each of the classes/specs? Or maybe one each of the roles? If not I understand cause there’s so much to each one but your pre Legion and BFA series were some of favorite content. Either way we love the work you and the team are doing, I look forward to watching the world first race!
From what I understand, if they were going to do Class/spec Overviews, Fingle would be the person to do em.
Though I get the feeling that the multiple systems in Shadowlands are deterring Preach and the gang from putting out any class guides because they could be completely flipped on their heads with a single Patch.
He's really been helping Preach out in terms of getting footage for Shadowlands, especially during the Alpha and Beta.
Worth noting that not only is the gear advantage small, in a lot of cases it will be ZERO. By the time you've killed 7 bosses and you're fighting sludgefist, on average 1/3 of the raid will have had zero items drop. So you can swap all of those characters out for characters better suited to the final few bosses for free.
just as a side note: Sire Denathrius is one of the most fun encoutners Blizz created in recent years ... like the difference between Denathrius as last boss of the 1st tier and Nzoth as the last boss of an xpac is so big ...
I didnt play the fight yet, but I am really looking forward to it. In my mind I will probably compare Denathrius to Ghuun. After killing Ghuun on heroic I stopped raiding because I hated it so much. For me it was the worst boss in terms of fun I played on progression. I stopped playing nyalotha at some point as well, but that was more due to corruption, and, at least for me, not because the raid was bad. Though I do get how many people did not like Nzoth.
But since I have generally heared good things about Denathrius I have really high hopes :D
@@ashamancito4630 Denathrius on normal was pretty simple. but it was intense enough to keep you on your toes with the massacre mechanic, hand of destruction interaction with the mirrors.
really fun fight.
Not just denathrius (didn't get there yet) but their initial bosses are really great. Even the first one is good (1st one of ny'alotha was good as well), altimor is good, artificer is great, sun king is fine (for larger raids, size scaling is messed up for small raids)
I miss Paragon :(
There are some players who still play. Ask them if they wanna reunion
Paragon's kill videos always had really good intros.
Usso Taunta! Usso Taunta!
If Paragon still raided, Method would still be second as usual. Paragon best raiding guild forever ❤️
@@Luna-ii4mx I want my Nihilum/Ensidia back.
Didn't "Death and Taxes" used to be on Illidan? 🤔 Back in the day. *
Been waiting so much for a video like this!
Thoughts on several members of Limit already creating their legendaries, while Echo still havent created theirs?
They're probably waiting till Monday so they can see what they get from their Mythic + runs. Or maybe they've pissed off the rng gods and not got the ones they've wanted.
@@RyanEX2000 This is not a issue of them not having the ones they want guild wide. This is Echo holding off for probable tuning with the reset and waiting for early gear and checking which boss is going to be the wall to get past.
@@RyanEX2000 They are waiting to see how Blizzard tunes them.
Drink every time he says gamble!
I am personally loving the lower loot drops in dungeon and raid. I ran 6 dungeons yesterday, and did 4 raid bosses, without a single loot drop. Maaan I am so glad I pay for this experience. SO GREAT!
I am a casual, and I am so tempted to just stick to pvp and dailies. Takes way less time to do, and you know for a fact in pvp you are going to get what you want. Sucks pvp gear will be so far behind even just heroic raid gear for like 6 weeks
Well, nobody having a gear advantage would suggest an advantage for Limit, yeah? Isn't that the whole gamble of Echo's approach, that their preferred characters will be more geared?
i think preach's point was that if the race goes to 2nd week echos is gonna be able to trade gear by running multiple raids with 3-5 characters of the same class and then using the highest geared to trade important loot and then have a stronger roster in that week
I liked old Method but since Nyalotha I became a big Limit fan. I really like Max and I really like how they streamed their comms. I hope they dominate this tier as well.
same here, max seems like a guy you could hang out with, a nerd like the rest of us. Can't say that for sco
Where can you go to watch this race? Or these guilds?
Early boi We can all agree that you are World first! Gj ☺️
You would probably know better than anyone. I had a question about the economies of these guilds. are there guilds that arent going for world first but aree kinda close tot he level, that would sell gear and lock outs to the WF guilds? say a guild that has downed everything but denathrius or whatever, and bringing 5 or 10 members from Limit or Echo for a few million gold and selling the spots to them and any gear that drops?
basically a feeder guild for the main guild?
@derp derpin yeah I was wondering if they were potentially buying split runs from other guilds. Ot could increase the number of splits they do without the extra hassle of leveling a new character for the 10th time or whatever. I know they are fast but still, curious.
This looks like it’s going to be quite a close race. Unfortunately not a global release. I hope these tracking websites are tracking time to kill each boss from raid opening in each region coz I think it could come down to that metric.
the guild that are competing dont care about that. Its a world first race not world fastest
@@Robin...222 when region didn’t matter coz the world first contenders were European in the same zone. But now as there is more guilds and the game brings the gap closer the true world first should come down to time. Only way to be fair. Obviously it won’t matter to the actual competition but will definitely count who is the true best in my book.
Why isn't the entire raid fury warriors? And where are the world buffs? :/
Jesus tap dancing christ these poor guys must be playing 24/7 for weeks on end and getting paid for it. That's awesome.
This might be the best RtWF opening tier raid. Looking forward to it.
Thanks for the video Mike! Love your videos like this.
I mean if you start 1 day before others is it really a race though? With all the preparation these guilds do one day might be all it takes. World first should be adequate to total time spent not first kill
I dont thing that with the tunning blizz did on this raid one day will make a difference. this shit is brutal
Mythic Raiders do also need sleep
No world first raid group is really happy with the way it is right now. America has the advantage of starting earlier, whereas europe has the advantage of seeing what's happening and getting the "fixed" fights straight away. Fixed because of day 1 hotfixes blizzard puts out every tier for broken or bugged bosses.
Advantages and disadvantages on both sides... But still stupid.
@@hellboy19991 maybe the early bosses but the ones that mattered method always reached first so up until last tier, they had double disadvantage and still won..
here i am trying to get some competent guild members to do a mythic 0
Right I'm sitting with my one 186 paladin feeling good.....until this
@@joshuagarner1654 People are 200+ already mate. Lets go!
Unless you have a very crucial reason to stay in that guild just leave. I left my guild a day ago and joined another and like night and day the game changed I actually got to do some non pugged M+.
I've just been pugging +5 just fine, and I'm only like 182 or so.
@@astrealove2247 i either get a miracle group, or the group from hell that cant walk in a straight line and have shit ilvl
i hope limit wins again this time, method or echo as they call themselves now always look like they are not having fun, on the other side, watching limit and hearing their open comms was amazing and you could hear and see them having a blast doing prog.
fucking hell this game is so melee unfriendly
Having different characters also helps with covenants !
plot twist some random no guild server pug pulls off the win. ;D
I think the class stacking strategy will win out of the two gambles.
Odds are stacking rogue or mage.......... as per evey other fuckin tier
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What's the Sun King cheese start you refer to?
I'd like to know too, we have been struggling quite a bit tonight, expecting it to just fall over like on normal
@@hellboy19991 so from what I've found out online. You get a holy priest to use guardian spirit on Kael, then get your healers and dps with off heals to absolutely pump him with heals for 10 seconds
Guilds are just 8 healing it
To give a clearer example. You can boost a Resto Shaman/Mistweaver to stupid hps. Use 2 Holy Priests for Guardian, have 2 Innervates and 2 Power Infusion. With that setup especially Shaman and Monk go ham on the Boss. Druid can also Pump st, have a few of those and you barely have to play p1. P2 not really getting too much harder with time makes having less overall dps absolutely fine. You can Phase the Boss 30-40s after pull
Wait did limit get world first in nyalotha?
I always like to see how my region of OCE compares to the rest of the world lol
just filter it to alliance only and we look good lmao
Yeah Honestly has done pretty well the last few tiers, be great if they somehow jagged a world first end kill.
But dident blizz say that it dropped more loot then exspected in heroic? and they will nerf it on tuesday/wed?
This is a terrible mistake. Blizzard is so bad about this. Something is overtuned or giving an unfair advantage? Ok. We will fix it next week, punishing all those who weren't able to take full advantage of it last week. Like wtf? Just leave it as it is for this raid tier and fix it for future ones
Other games I have played either immediately hotfix, keep the system for awhile to give everyone a chance, or revert back whatever advantage said players may have gotten.
They already nerfed from what I've seen. Was supposed to be a reset fix but evidently they couldn't abide people getting 5 loot per 20 people rather than 3...
Will there be a secret phase for Sire?
Wonder how much money will actually influence this tier after the cartel disappeared?
Almost none (comparatively) now that titanforging is gone.
I'd wager Mythic Items will go for anything between 1 and 3 million gold (EU) prices, so it shouldn't be too bad.
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Cartel is still here, top guild selling hm curve and m+ run all day
Bois, can we just give blizzard a prop for the mechanics of the raids? going from ny'alotha to this (etc for ra-den, he was fun imo) it's a MASSIVE step up.
you dont think Pieces will go for world first? :D
brilliant commentary, as usual, mike. thank you!
"Two horse race" is really discounting Pieces IMO. A sneaky first/second place finish from them wouldn't be out of the cards.
did u even watch the video lol he talks about it
@@KittenCritters Admittedly I did post that only about 1/4th through before he mentioned he wasn't trying to discount other guilds. That said, I do think his focus on those two isn't giving Pieces enough credit, they've been building momentum through BfA and that, along with Echo's growing pains even as a mostly-established roster, should make this a story of the top 3, not 2.
@@highvoltage988 well looks like it was a 2 horse race by far - other guilds are like 5-6 progress days behind atm
@@Kaiser_rudolf Yeah I was wrong, sadly. I hope next tier it opens up; a single dominant guild is boring (see old Method), a two-horse race between an NA and EU team ended up really toxic with a bunch of "fans" spouting nonsense. If future tiers see real competition from Pieces, Fat Shark Yes, and BDGG it'll be both more exciting and less awful in the chats.
Why do people think Shadowlands is Alt Friendly? There's still a massive anima grind, and you have to do the Renown grind all over again? I only want to play for two hours per day. It is not possible to gear an alt.
Because anima offers no real non-cosmetic rewards and renown you literally get from dungeons and callings.
@@DeDaDoDu Have you even played this expansion? I have not encountered any of that. Anima is required for the cosmetic rewards. And Renown is locked behind weekly quests. Which also locks a lot of the rewards.
You're bad
@@Michael-ub4vl How so?
There is no anima grind, most of the 1000 you'll get from content you'll do anyway and throw in 2-3 wqs to fill it.
That's also the first renown, the second you'll get while you're doing the maw which you'd also be doing anyway for the sockets later on. (tedious yes, definitely more of a grind, but still not as bad as islands since your time there is limited.)
Now take a look at torghast, which to be fair requires a bit more time investment at the start, just to unlock it completely. (much easier and faster in groups) However less of a hassle after that, since you'll only do the highest layer of each wing.
The real grind this time (as said multiple times throughout the video) is the gear your characters are wearing.
Anything else is cosmetic and of no consequence in this context.
If asmon see's this here is his reminder that preach is going to have more hair than he does soon
LULW
Canada is also in NA btw. Its not just US.
:D
Blizzard should lock raids on Christmas
*EUROPE SHALL RISE AGAIN*
Isnt multiboxing banned
This race is gonna be amazing, really looking forward to it
3:35 wait, this is the first World First Race I’m following; what happened to metho-?
_googles_
OH SHIT.
Method just rapes the End Boss to death?
I want raids to come out at same time in all zones!
Goodluck with that as US is about 8 hours after EU, meaning that when they get a new raid its usually 4-5 PM here in Sweden the day before ours launch, kinda bullshit tbh as US can easily claim world first way before others just by this simple thing.
@@dennispyxen7873 Yeah but, fortunately speaking, the 8 hours haven't really influenced any winners yet. When Limit won, it was by way more than the 8 hour headstart.
@@faveology they should measure it by which guild killed it within the least amount of progression time. That should prove which guild is the best one, not which ones who have played it the most hours.
Thank you for a very very nice video. This just proves that blizz should not try to change the game to push out split runs and multicharactering bcs as you see clearly. These guilds spend every single second and take every single advantage they can to secure a victory! Which to me is also really amazing to see, how much minmaxing can be done
How are people cheesing sun king?
Instead of using the pillars to heal per the mechanic, as I understand it they are just taking a load of healers in there and spamming the boss instead.
30 resto shamans
@@TheChunkeyNinja well they cant really do that on mythic with 20 members right?
I'm going to throw in he Dark Horse: Pieces, I think they'll take the first win, and Sire Denathrius goes down in less than 150 pulls.
NA gonna slap EU again?
Ive seen a a guild no one has heard of that will win
so echo is a split off method?
Lots of yikes info came out about what a certain member of Method. So other members didnt want to be associated with the Method brand anymore and made Echo. You can google what happened.
@@shinon748 Not just one member of method, though one method member is the worst offender. It would be forgivable as far as the guild was concerned if they hadn't enabled him and kept him on knowingly as long as they possibly could.
@Dhae Nuhk its insane how misinformed you are. Almost everything you just said was wrong.
@@Smidztv have u seen the clip when josh is talking to the police with his mic on and every1 shouts at him to mute Rhen laugh about ut? Yeah they knew about it alright so keep defending them blindly 🤪🙃
@@levilamperouge8917 pretty cringe
The echo way sucks balls. Having 5 of the same char, fuck that.
How does even Limit/Method find the way to get all their millions of gold, are they really buying tokens for that amount? I'd say that would be a huge waste of real life money.
that gold will be borrowed from the big boosting communities. Last tier/xpac, some was actually bought from a community, dont think we'll be seeing that again. But arrangements like "ok, you buy those boe's for us and we pay you back over a few months via boosting once the race is over" are the way it's done
@@TheCastorPlays tit for that pretty much
When does this begin? In how many hours?
72
method josh is my hero, hes a literal god
talented rapper too
Aversion HYPE
I think Immortalis(ish) will win World first(ish)
Maybe you could do a thing to raise money for you and the team when you go off to cast. That way it's not a loss and we can more or less pay for that time your gone?
hungerer mythic will be 8 hunters
These top guilds are crazy dedicated.
Wait, you can cheese sun king?
1/10/9 lol
I'm curious about how people feel about the fact that so much RL money is spent and how that effects the "competitive integrity", seems legit shady. I hate, hate, HATE that Mythic BOE's drop. Silly.
Mythic BoEs are nice for a majority of the community. Just because there's shananigans by world first guilds to buy them and spend potentially $100s in server transfers and whatnot doesn't mean they need to go.
@@Jaigarful I'm not sure what to say if you think that a "majority" of the community can pay half a mill a slot :)
@@Jaigarful Last tier Method/Echo spent 5 figures (10,000+) to just buy the gold to get the gear they used....and lost.
@@HT-jj5sx Where did you get these numbers from? I heard it was a gold loan, hence all the runs they did afterwards so most of the $$$ spent came from blizzard services.
Also, half a mil a slot isn't bad. You can make a lot of money quick in WoW if you know how, and theres still players with 20+ mil gold earned from WoD.
@@Jaigarful There is a whole breakdown of Skype logs with the info with the gold sellers ( I think Asmon even went over the whole thing for a couple hours with the actual broker). You can see the RL telling the dude "let me know when we get to 9k", then later bumping it up to 10k. I really dislike the idea that this portion of Wow has become kinda Pay to Win. Cheapens the whole deal really.
Wait wait wait, method died? Can anyone link me somewhere to read up on what happened?
tl:dr version. Some members of the team or staff (don't remember) got #metoo'd. No idea if it was legit, but the shtistorm was so bad that they were forced to kick the accused members, who happened to be fairly critical in their positions, and it completely collapsed the entire thing.
@@luciussvartwulf6630 you do remember method josh right? yeah it was fucking real
@@abeardedhoboTV no, i don't remember. I didn't keep up with celebrity rather than to note that it was yet another #metoo shitstorm which seemed to be more than happy to paint everyone with the same brush, namely guilty.
and given how such things go, with people not caring about guilt or innocence and screaming at the top of their lungs, didn't seem much point parsing out what happened because everyone was going to insist they were right, while the innocent and guilty get punished alike.
@@luciussvartwulf6630 look up method josh and his pedophila shit while we was shielded by method
@@luciussvartwulf6630 there was nobody innocent in this Story mate. It was just a horrible piece of shit abuser and people that choose to ignore it and still raid with one.
Limit will win jsut because they get the raid earlier.
i see you, Korea!!!
Whoever made that thumbnail should be fired. Actually cursed.
Someone explain me this: Method got burnt cause supposedly they all knew what a piece of crap Josh was and hid it. Now they all leave, make a new guild named Echo, and suddenly all is cool again while Sco is left to sink with the ship?
The players claim they didnt know the extent of the Josh allegations which is 100% BS, but Sco and Method leadership took all the heat off of them.
Method got burnt because the leadership of the guild should have done more about the whole Josh sitaution. This idea that the raiders all knew and should be blamed for "not noticing sooner" is a very common idea that is wrong in almost all cases. When people say "If it was someone close to me, I would have known" they're just ignorant. If there's anything research can tell us for sure it's that in cases like this, the people closest to the perpetrator very seldom know or notice. They are not to blame, it's just basic behaviour.
Sco knew for sure though as it was reported to him and other leaders, and he is at the top of that pile, whereas the guys who just log on to play video games likely didn't get involved in weird politics. Normal people don't know everything about the people they play games with. They have real life friends for drama.
@@axelwedelin92 bud they knew was josh was doing but winning the world first race was more important. Any of them could have said something and had him removed from the team but they didnt
@@VeeDubBeetle Like I said, if it was you or me, the likelihood is, none of us would have known and done anything either. That's just the stats talking. He was their friend, he downplayed it, he made them trust him, they didn't want it to be true etc. etc. It's just the way it is.
I hope a third guild takes the win. I can't stand Complexity Limits raidlead (He seems like a douce, in my opinion. Also the fact that their mage sues another over some dumb BS with a name, which he does not have ownership of - i know, i know its just two guys, but its the initial impression i have of them) nor do i want Echo to win, because its basicly all of the method raiders and i think you are delusional, if you say that they didnt know anything about Josh or the others behaviour.
Anyone who has ever been manipulated by a psycho asshole will tell you that people in method very likely did not know. That is the entire point of manipulation. I've been there, and it takes A LOT to realize what is going on.
@@OWnIshiiTrolling You didn't even need to be a part of method to know Josh was sus as hell. You get to know someone pretty well when you spend twelve hours a day with them for a few weeks at a time. They knew.
Method ....When your job is to play wow .......
I can't see how having multipul of the same class will work, when there is no loot. And they knew their would be no loot either. This was well said before time. Surely having the chance to have 18 hunters is FARRRR superior, and has clenched a number of previous end bosses
more competition is best if you talking about a product... the first world race isnt and changes basically nothing...
Damn dance boss is holding my guild back, the dot is killing us and i dp think its a dps/healer check
The way council works is a secret dps check. because while there are mechanics they are smokescreen for an actual dps check with the permadot.
Kill the attendant faster
Yeah, changing up orders if you're struggling on a certain mechanic can be worth it, even if there's a recommended order to kill 'em in.
are the yanks still a day ahead?
that is unfortunately the case. race will start officially on Tuesday with their reset, while the Brits and others get their Wednesday reset.
@@nhagan001 how can this still be taken seriously when the regions dont even start at the same time? blizzard are so clueless, i left during legion and it seems they are still WAY behind the times
@@greguk2 Ironically there have been times where the headstart hasn't done the Yanks any good.
The Jaina fight from the Siege of Dazalor (misspelled probably) from BFA was one such case. I believe Method (think this was the WF race that Preach was hosting in Europe. I forget the exact city) ended up winning the race despite the headstart.
Most of the time I have watched the race, despite the headstart, the race tends to come down to being very close. I can't recall a race where the headstart just made it downright unfair, except maybe the Emerald Nightmare from Legion, but that was because the Raid wasn't tuned correctly.
@@nhagan001 yeah but its only a matter of time before it will matter. Like preach talks about in this video it would be cool to have a 8 horse race or so. Problem is when there is that level of close competitiveness no one, and I mean NO one cam argue a whole day isn't a fuckin monumental advantage
The fall of method
I honestly don't care about the race to world first in a world where the wow token and boes exist. It's so difficult to feel like the playing field is legitimately fair when a group of players with a sponsor can buy up that type of ilvl advantage that the normal player doesn't have access to. That being said, I love your videos and coverage of all things wow. :)
Limit beat method in their prime, this half cast has no chance. Quote me in 2 weeks.
ah, the quarterly celebration of no-lifing. 8 Characters, 16h+ a day? who wouldnt wanna be a world first raider haha
Meanwhile: I found a pug and wiped on CN Normal, on the sun king 13 times before finally ragequitting and feeling very petty.
"Stack for flame pillar" is a really hard thing to understand though.
@@mydogeatspuke The dps was shit and the firebird enflamed the entire floor + people dying from not stacking.
@@MarkusAndersen96 the fire bird is supposed to do that. You kill it so it does it less. Then it comes back and does it again. It's one of very few mechanics lol. The stacking is what kills everyone I've pugged with. They run away like eejits. I kept trying to stand on people when I had it and they ran away from me. Most people who play this game are objectively terrible at it.
my guild wiped on huntsman 26 times on normal
Yeah huntsman when it first released was scuffed. Last night we wiped 16 times on council :(
I wiped 6 times on the bat with a pug group
how do I keep me hands off the ccd shade?
It was pretty rough, my guild down huntsman in about 6 tries on opening night but got stuck on sun king
It's absurd how bad the typical wow player is. The game is so fucking easy too. I wonder what draws baddies to this game? Even the "best" players in this game are awful, they will wipe 500+ times to a boss.
Echo did lose Sco, as he stayed with his guild, but the recruitment of Naowh is a great one by Echo, Naowh is a fantastic tank. I'm not saying he's as good as Sco or worse, but lets for arguement sake say he's as good, then Echo are just as strong as Method were before this whole disband thing.
He is 100% better than Sco. Sco is still a top 100 raider, but he isn't world first material and hasn't been for a long time. He should have been benched back in WoD like Treckie was.
Before some autist starts shouting at me for calling him bad, I'm not. There's just a difference between a great tank and the best of the best.
Limit has almost a 4 ilvl advantage right now
Breaking news. Nerd.
It starts on Tuesday night and will be over by Wed morning to be fair... Castle if a joke.
cool, so you've already cleared mythic then since you can already judge that it's a joke. You should be a coach for limit with all that in depth knowledge.
F Method
Neeeeeerrrrrrds!
insane... I just wonder where they are having fun playing 10 pieces of same class doing the same content over and over again :D horrible
Sooo, is method dead now ?
Unholy dk gang what up!!
any one who played beta should be excmept and not allow to be part of worlds first because any one who played beta got nearly a year advantage over other players
Preach
please stop using this layout - it does not add value and takes away from being able to see anything on the actual footage you are showing
If you just want people to listen, make a podcast, not a youtube video
The photoshop on your face in the thumbnail.. is disgusting to say the least
What race? The guilds have been wiping to these encounters for weeks or months. And apparently now the US guilds get their day head start and they are declared winners anyway, lol.
You don't understand how raid testing on the PTR works.
@@MooseCastle I do: the mechanics are the same as on live, only some number tweaking happens at Blizzard without public testing. Keep simping.
@@td6460 Have you ever actually been on PTR?....
@@td6460 Actually, if you watch some of the PTR testing, you will find that even fights that Preach has tested himself HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY FLIPPED ON THEIR HEADS BEFORE RELEASE.
It even happened during the live Mythic WF race of battle of dazar'alor.
The Jaina fight was changed AS SHE WAS BEING FOUGHT.
So no, while they do raid test on the PTR, not all fights stay the same as they were in the PTR.
yeah Method..some great...people...
How are the hair plugs coming along baldy?
2nd
These ppl have no life's they must be on the game for literally 12 hours + every day, insane
16h
@@donaldkwan1955 16 hours fek me how do they even make money what do they do for a job
@@robh316 For those at the extreme top end such as limit and Echo etc. they are financed by sponsors, so they can essentially do this for a job.
@@TheChunkeyNinja sit on there arse all day playing games Jesus can't be bad
If you think top 10 mythic raiding is ‘sitting on your arse’ then I don’t know what to say
This raid is so much easier than bfa jaina one. I feel like the Mythic will fall in just a week.
Should be a joke with this balancing.
i legit think unwealthy homeless men will be remembered this time solely on their epic name.
Epic? It's massively in bad taste. Especially in the current political climate.
yawn