As someone who didn't really start playing till the end of BFA, it's great to see videos like yours that go through the history of the game that I never got to see first hand. Keep up the great work!
The whole "21st man" was something I assumed all the high end guilds did forever, I cannot believe they never did that until BFA. It's a great strategy for pretty much any tactical situation. In the military its referred to as overwatch.
The funniest part imo of the N'Zoth bugs is when the encounter bugged so hard, Blizz had to hard despawn N'Zoth to stop an accidental bugged kill, and in the process despawned N'Zoth across all of NA. Still remember seeing that happen and the hilarity of it all.
I think it's a little disingenuous to say that Method became Echo. Many of the best players left Method after the scandal. Echo is its' own standing guild, that currently stomps the still existing Method every raid tier.
raiders come and go all the time and their streamers and leaders basically become the guilds faces. I dont even know how many og raiders are still in method. from what i remember scott stepped back and stopped raiding aswell. I'd say the guys that left method were method and not the other way around. if that makes sense.
all the changes after 8.1 untill the end of BFA, i adored it. 5/5. i can’t believe how good it got. and G’hun’s raid? still loved it. the rest of the game was just rough at the time. hated the GMOD boss though w t f
Love that even being gone from the game for near a decade now and the world first grind, it makes me glad that if there's a mech being a problem; Warlocks make it go away.
G'huun was the worst fight I ever progressed on. Not only was it incredibally frustrating to wait 5 minutes until your warlocks had proper gateways and so on while all you could do was pray and hit some trash mobs. But it was also 0 rewarding. He only dropped trash. Uldir was the worst raid I have entered.
To be fair, BfA was ok until 8.3. I don’t miss how much grinding there was. However, at least old wow heroes story lines were good. 8.3 is a failure to bring WoW closer to a lesser diablo imitation and made short work of N’ zoth.
I really liked BFA's raid set, Uldir was probably the weakest but it was still solid. BoD is like just top tier out of any expansion. It'll always be remembered as the raid where Liquid choked at the very end tho (or well honestly they've done it multiple times since but) I remember our guild selling a ton of Glacial Tidestorms to fund our exploits in Nya'lotha lol.
Bfa was the first expansion I couldn't find something I enjoyed even warlords I had some fun I quit during bfa and Shadow lands and was convinced to come back for dragon flight
Bro, anyone who started playing @ the beginning of bfa in the last expansion raid [9.3 ?¿?] ( after a long hiatus @ least... i mean, i returned from cata to 9.3) It was *ABSOLUTELY AMAZING* & I loved the game so, SO MUCH when i started playing ! ● Heart of Azeroth ● Azerite Armor ● Corruption's ● Visions of N'Zoth ● Horrific Visions ● Assaults. ■ Heck, even the occasional island run was a great enjoyment in moderation! For a player returning to play from eows prehistoric era [ Cataclysm ] It was almost an entirely new game, while still being *DISTINCTLY - WOW !¡!* I had so much fun discovering mythic plus and mythic raids too !¡! I fell in love with wow all over again! ♥︎★♥︎★♥︎★♥︎★♥︎★♥︎★♥︎★♥︎★♥︎★♥︎★♥︎♥︎★♥︎★♥︎★♥︎★♥︎★♥︎★♥︎★♥︎★♥︎★♥︎★♥︎ ★◆★◆★ *!¡! BEST X-PAC EVER ‽!?!‽¡¿¡‽!?!‽* ★◆★◆★ *4 ME ‽‽‽* ♥︎★♥︎★♥︎ *!¡! ¡!¡ !¡! BEST EXPANSION EVER !¡! ¡!¡ !¡!* ♥︎★♥︎★♥︎ ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️💯💯💯💯💯‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️💯💯💯💯💯‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
The Jacking of Jaina is why I finally quit. I felt tortured by the assholes writing the game. It was a final of many final straws and broke the copium.
BFA was a missed xpac for me. Got kind of burnt out In legion bc I was in a guild pushing mythic on every raid tier and by time BFA came out and I hit max lvl and started raiding I was just done. Came back in the start of shadowlands and felt like the game was truly over. Decided to try dragon flight but by then I didn’t have a guild or and friends anymore so it was just LFR or pugs and that didn’t give me any want to raid hardcore again. Hoping the war within turns around and has great raids and not a shitty gearing system like in BFA bc I hated the necklace shit and missed my badass weapons. But it’s nice seeing how dedicated players still are to beating some of the hardest raids blizz has given us. AND GO NA!
Lets not forget that you absolutely NEEDED the legendary cloak to even fight N'Zoth. Even in LFR you needed the cloak because its was essential for one of his mechanics. I hardcored BFA. Was in a Method sister guild and honestly BFA was some of the most fun ive ever had playing WoW. The corruption power and azerite traits made the game so much more fun for me. You actually had some customization to how your class played.
BFA was...wierd expansion. Most of it was just bad, but MY GOD the raids were amazing. Aslo one thing you forgot abaut N'Zoth. The fight was so long on Mythic you straight up start in phase 2...
Kinda ironic Ion Kazzabasket said it was "mathematically impossible", as it's something a certain someone has stated before and it was proven wrong :P Great video though! For some insane reason, I actually watched all of the RWF in BfA, even though I hadn't played myself since the opening of that Helya raid in Legion. Was a fun and intense race. And a good thing about people streaming it and guilds being both NA and EU, was the fact that no matter HOW fucked up your sleep schedule was, you always had something to put on the screen to either watch or watch until you fall asleep.
BFA was the first time I’ve raided and I thoroughly enjoyed it! I only got up to heroic and didn’t do anything hardcore it was just super casual but really enjoyable.
18:05 they have this in SoD with the crafted pieces having effects that only work in sunken temple or the emerald dream areas, i know it isnt retail but maybe they start bringing them back more.
Also as for memorable experiences? Taking down mythic N'Zoth with a 40 man tank raid all wearing the HP increasing essence for every tank in your raid and everyone stacking as much Twilight Devastation as we could, with a bare minimum of 18% TD Imagine our surprise when Blizzard took away our kill....despite it being an in game system and not a bug or exploit abuse.
4:10 no. Zul was also overtuned, UNLESS you did a complete cheese strat with 5-6 subtlety rogues, funneling all the damage into the boss from adds. You would bring crawgs and other adds near Zul, let all of the rogues get 5 combo points in 1 GCD with shuriken storm and then Eviscerate the boss over and over again until he was dead. This was the time, when SS would also buff Evi's ST damage, which made it possible (and Blizzard did blizzard things, promptly removed this buff and pretty much killled Sub rogues until the end of the xpac). Only after a handful of nerfs, the fight became somewhat OKayish during farm period if your guild didn't have at least 3 sub rogues.
Normally with wow xpacs I play at launch but I've normally dipped out before the first patch even drops but BFA I really liked (with the exception of azerite gear, fuck that shit) and played right though until mid 8.3. that's the most I've played a X-Pac since Cata when I hung up my "hardcore" MMO player mindset. I thought BFA was great overall.
"Raiding is viewed as the pinnacle of the game's existence" - said no one ever. Easy ass paint by numbers content. Like seriously easy during world first, you just have to have no life to figure it out faster than other no lifers. After world first it is simply "when boss does this someone does this" and hit the dps and healing checks by "when boss does this, pop your cool downs" , super easy mode stuff.
Another good video. With that out of the way, and with all due respect to those of a different opinion, I believe this idea of designing raids well one players’ mistake can wipe an entire encounter isn’t a good mechanic and it really needs to just be taken out of the game. Mistakes are going to happen and this level of punishment is extreme and does not respect the players time.
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As someone who didn't really start playing till the end of BFA, it's great to see videos like yours that go through the history of the game that I never got to see first hand. Keep up the great work!
BFA had good raids
the best
BFA's last patch was S-ties
raids in wow are generally good
Good raids, bad grinds.
Visions of Nzoth and Azsharas stuff was probably the best thing ever in bfa
The whole "21st man" was something I assumed all the high end guilds did forever, I cannot believe they never did that until BFA. It's a great strategy for pretty much any tactical situation. In the military its referred to as overwatch.
I miss twilight devastation
The funniest part imo of the N'Zoth bugs is when the encounter bugged so hard, Blizz had to hard despawn N'Zoth to stop an accidental bugged kill, and in the process despawned N'Zoth across all of NA. Still remember seeing that happen and the hilarity of it all.
13:34 - 3 Seconds is a large and respectable length of time
Above average even
I think it's a little disingenuous to say that Method became Echo. Many of the best players left Method after the scandal. Echo is its' own standing guild, that currently stomps the still existing Method every raid tier.
raiders come and go all the time and their streamers and leaders basically become the guilds faces. I dont even know how many og raiders are still in method. from what i remember scott stepped back and stopped raiding aswell. I'd say the guys that left method were method and not the other way around. if that makes sense.
Echo at the time was everyone from Method except Sco. So Method did become Echo more or less.
all the changes after 8.1 untill the end of BFA, i adored it. 5/5. i can’t believe how good it got. and G’hun’s raid? still loved it. the rest of the game was just rough at the time. hated the GMOD boss though w t f
Love that even being gone from the game for near a decade now and the world first grind, it makes me glad that if there's a mech being a problem; Warlocks make it go away.
G'huun was the worst fight I ever progressed on. Not only was it incredibally frustrating to wait 5 minutes until your warlocks had proper gateways and so on while all you could do was pray and hit some trash mobs. But it was also 0 rewarding. He only dropped trash.
Uldir was the worst raid I have entered.
oh yeah 4 resets per pull to have all the gates/transcendances up only to hear 6 minutes into the pull "guys left side fucked up the orb"
@@roflixo yeah the all time classic.
How long before BfA is fondly remembered?
First big content drought of War Within
It's kinda happening now tbh especially with how bad SL was, people are like "hmm maybe BFA wasn't so bad after all"
To be fair, BfA was ok until 8.3. I don’t miss how much grinding there was. However, at least old wow heroes story lines were good. 8.3 is a failure to bring WoW closer to a lesser diablo imitation and made short work of N’ zoth.
"Perhaps I treated you too harshly"
Honestly. Never.
i remember method josh
Love these types of videos! Reminds me of like summoningsalt going through the history of a speed run.
I really liked BFA's raid set, Uldir was probably the weakest but it was still solid. BoD is like just top tier out of any expansion.
It'll always be remembered as the raid where Liquid choked at the very end tho (or well honestly they've done it multiple times since but)
I remember our guild selling a ton of Glacial Tidestorms to fund our exploits in Nya'lotha lol.
Uldir was a cool lore concept. A massive lab to experiment on Old Gods, only to create more horrors.
How blind are these world first guilds for fights? Do they only know whats in the adventure journal?
they practice on PTR before it launches
Bfa was the first expansion I couldn't find something I enjoyed even warlords I had some fun I quit during bfa and Shadow lands and was convinced to come back for dragon flight
Even allied races?
@@danielvicentecarvalho3687 How can you enjoy doing allied races? It isn't something you do.
wow that limit logo is atrocious
Bro, anyone who started playing @ the beginning of bfa in the last expansion raid [9.3 ?¿?] ( after a long hiatus @ least... i mean, i returned from cata to 9.3)
It was *ABSOLUTELY AMAZING* & I loved the game so, SO MUCH when i started playing !
● Heart of Azeroth
● Azerite Armor
● Corruption's
● Visions of N'Zoth
● Horrific Visions
● Assaults.
■ Heck, even the occasional island run was a great enjoyment in moderation!
For a player returning to play from eows prehistoric era [ Cataclysm ]
It was almost an entirely new game, while still being *DISTINCTLY - WOW !¡!*
I had so much fun discovering mythic plus and mythic raids too !¡!
I fell in love with wow all over again!
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*4 ME ‽‽‽*
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"A truly rare event where the devs admitted to their fault"
Imagine being so self-important that this is the case.
The Jacking of Jaina is why I finally quit. I felt tortured by the assholes writing the game. It was a final of many final straws and broke the copium.
I'll never understand how people can watch wow I can't tell what's going on especially with literally no one having the same set up as me
This might be an unpopular opinion but my fav expansion is bfa becuz everyone is broken and everything is unexpected 😂
I loved bfa. Played so much during that time. Shadowlands ruined the game for me and ended up unsubscribing.
day 37 of asking Hirumaredx why he doesnt stream WoW on youtube anymore
what is your combat text scrolling addon?
raiding in world of warcraft: stack more warlocks
Let’s be real Liquid won because method basically disbanded during Nyalotha
100% untrue. Liquid just played better and deserved to win.
BFA was a missed xpac for me. Got kind of burnt out In legion bc I was in a guild pushing mythic on every raid tier and by time BFA came out and I hit max lvl and started raiding I was just done. Came back in the start of shadowlands and felt like the game was truly over. Decided to try dragon flight but by then I didn’t have a guild or and friends anymore so it was just LFR or pugs and that didn’t give me any want to raid hardcore again. Hoping the war within turns around and has great raids and not a shitty gearing system like in BFA bc I hated the necklace shit and missed my badass weapons. But it’s nice seeing how dedicated players still are to beating some of the hardest raids blizz has given us. AND GO NA!
Lets not forget that you absolutely NEEDED the legendary cloak to even fight N'Zoth. Even in LFR you needed the cloak because its was essential for one of his mechanics. I hardcored BFA. Was in a Method sister guild and honestly BFA was some of the most fun ive ever had playing WoW. The corruption power and azerite traits made the game so much more fun for me. You actually had some customization to how your class played.
BFA was...wierd expansion. Most of it was just bad, but MY GOD the raids were amazing.
Aslo one thing you forgot abaut N'Zoth. The fight was so long on Mythic you straight up start in phase 2...
Kinda ironic Ion Kazzabasket said it was "mathematically impossible", as it's something a certain someone has stated before and it was proven wrong :P
Great video though! For some insane reason, I actually watched all of the RWF in BfA, even though I hadn't played myself since the opening of that Helya raid in Legion. Was a fun and intense race. And a good thing about people streaming it and guilds being both NA and EU, was the fact that no matter HOW fucked up your sleep schedule was, you always had something to put on the screen to either watch or watch until you fall asleep.
My guild fell apart in bfa...
Imo BFA is a very bad expansion. However that Jania raid was super cool. The rest of it was just... Eh.... Even from a story point of view.
Great detail as always!
Now do Shadowlands c:
BFA was the first time I’ve raided and I thoroughly enjoyed it! I only got up to heroic and didn’t do anything hardcore it was just super casual but really enjoyable.
18:05 they have this in SoD with the crafted pieces having effects that only work in sunken temple or the emerald dream areas, i know it isnt retail but maybe they start bringing them back more.
Coming upon The Final Prison in the Abyssal Zone of the sea, was truly terrifying. And I loved every minute of BFA raiding.
God damn that sounds sick
ZEEE WOUUUNNNNDDDSSSS
BDG did 21st man raiding prior to BFA and way before liquid.
What I learned from this is Blizzard is horrible at balancing raid bosses
I'd love to see you do a better job.
@@billymays9296 I don't have to, their competitors do. And they are. You don't see these massive boss changes in FF14 raids, for example.
Where the lore fell flat, the actual raids and dungeons were pretty danm good
good video ! hope see another, but for SL and other xpacs !
changhed
At the time of this comment title is History of BFA Raidng
Retail blows. No one cares.
Your name must be Retail then.
Id like to see a vid like this for the WoW classic phase. Especially a focus on method/limit/apes competition
LMAO. No one takes Classic seriously. It's a joke version for bad players.
I remember getting one shot in arena, by infinite stars.
hello hiru
It's shocking how much information in this is wrong... Limit was a meme before BFA, for starters.
Good video, forgot an i in raiding
The channel logo was changed 😢
Who says Ian like that😭
Eye-In Hozzikostas
"Turn on your monitor!" lol
Nice looking new logo!
Also as for memorable experiences? Taking down mythic N'Zoth with a 40 man tank raid all wearing the HP increasing essence for every tank in your raid and everyone stacking as much Twilight Devastation as we could, with a bare minimum of 18% TD
Imagine our surprise when Blizzard took away our kill....despite it being an in game system and not a bug or exploit abuse.
You can't enter Mythic with 40 players.
@@billymays9296 yeah I was typing too fast to type correctly, It was 20 I believe, We had the full 40 man for heroic though I think.
4:10 no. Zul was also overtuned, UNLESS you did a complete cheese strat with 5-6 subtlety rogues, funneling all the damage into the boss from adds. You would bring crawgs and other adds near Zul, let all of the rogues get 5 combo points in 1 GCD with shuriken storm and then Eviscerate the boss over and over again until he was dead. This was the time, when SS would also buff Evi's ST damage, which made it possible (and Blizzard did blizzard things, promptly removed this buff and pretty much killled Sub rogues until the end of the xpac).
Only after a handful of nerfs, the fight became somewhat OKayish during farm period if your guild didn't have at least 3 sub rogues.
I loved myth Azshara :D u gotta have a math degree but still very fun imo:D I was 2nd on dmg on the last phase
Wish I could clone myself to play
Normally with wow xpacs I play at launch but I've normally dipped out before the first patch even drops but BFA I really liked (with the exception of azerite gear, fuck that shit) and played right though until mid 8.3. that's the most I've played a X-Pac since Cata when I hung up my "hardcore" MMO player mindset.
I thought BFA was great overall.
The Limit logo looks like a really difficult section in Flappy Bird 😂
"Raiding is viewed as the pinnacle of the game's existence" - said no one ever.
Easy ass paint by numbers content.
Like seriously easy during world first, you just have to have no life to figure it out faster than other no lifers.
After world first it is simply "when boss does this someone does this" and hit the dps and healing checks by "when boss does this, pop your cool downs" , super easy mode stuff.
Cope harder about being too bad for Mythic raiding LMAO. Only dogshit casuals ever write dumb shit like this.
Another good video. With that out of the way, and with all due respect to those of a different opinion, I believe this idea of designing raids well one players’ mistake can wipe an entire encounter isn’t a good mechanic and it really needs to just be taken out of the game. Mistakes are going to happen and this level of punishment is extreme and does not respect the players time.
I was so happy to replace that azerite gear for ice crown pre launch gear. hated that system.
first
No bots came first
0:00 pretty sure raiding is waaayyyy less popular than m+ these days