The Separation of Church and State is in The Constitution
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Sad that so many still don’t understand this simple concept
I'm from the UK and even I know that.
Gotta love the confident mistake, eh?
Including Packman
@@ammnoydb4015I'm also from the UK, and not a day passes without me being dumbfounded by how frequently Americans seem to know less than me about their own system. Just imagine how little they know about other countries!
Unfortunately, anti-intellectualism is something these people learn very early from their parents, similar to racism. It can be incredibly difficult to grow out of that and actually learn to think critically.
@@MrGgabber if you had a brain you'd be embarrassed by your ignorance.
Including the 27 amendments, the Untied states constitution 7,591 words...
Not one of them is God, Jesus, Christianity, Catholicism, or Bible. Your move, ROOKIE 😂
Yep. The constitution only mentions religion twice, once in the first amendment as explained above, the second when it says no religious test shall be established to hold office. Both instances imply separation
Wrong. "God" was mentioned in the Constitution. One time. Sorta. Kinda.
On the last page... "In the year of our Lord...", and oft-used way of writing a date on official documents back then.
It means nothing.
@@evilhamstermanThe first amendment separates the state from the church. It prohibits the state from establishing a religion...as was the case of the Anglican church in England. As well as preventing the state from interfering with one's right to worship however one chooses. It in no way limits the ability of any individual or group to worship in any way they like. Including praying in public places such as schools or government buildings. Any individual or group can exercise their religion anywhere they want...however they cannot force anyone else to participate. And the government cannot interfere.
@@d.rodrickeamon6133 No, the word 'god' never appears in our constitution. Not once.
The tenth amendment says that the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. All fifty state constitutions mention along with the Declaration of Independence mention God. They regularly held prayer in the House back then, the House of Representatives open with prayer now. "no law respecting an establishment of religion" is to keep the State out of the church, not the church out of the state. Killing living, breathing babies is wrong in any case, and I will not compromise with it. You don't need the Bible to tell you that. You need common sense.
But that doesn't work in their favor.
Exactly right!
David, you fail to realize that facts means nothing to the conservative WRONG.
Yyeeessss!! I call them the wrong wing party....
@@ronimartel2215oh shi-, that's good! Ima steal that, thanks
@@NotTheDAHASAG we are unfazed by tranny,name calling baby killers, with pink hair.
Who said anything about conservatives?
If you want state and church combined move to hungry where they actually have a church tax that you pay along with your regular taxes.
Awesome
Church tax also exist in germany too
@@filozof372 Not for the non-religious. I've never paid or are paying any church tax. 🤷♂️
Hungary!
@@TerraPosse at the end of the day it exists.
I love when D student righties chime in like they know what they’re talking about
Arrogance in their own ignorance
Separation of church and state only relates to no official government sponsored religion as it was in England.
AND,, WHAT EXACTLY,,ARE YOU GOING ON ABOUT,,??? ASSHOLE!!!
I REALLY FEEL SORRY FOR YOU OL TRUMPER!!!! WELL,,NOT REALLY!!! I MEAN,, EDUCATION IS DEFINITELY,,,FREE!!!
EVEN IN,,, FLORIDA!!!
Government not being allowed to base law on religion should be understood by any American by the time you're done with grade school.
Wrong. Separation of church and state relates to no state or federal sponsored church. That's all.
@Frank-sm9yl Incorrect. But go ahead with your ignorance. As long as the constitution doesn't allow government based on religion it doesn't matter what you think.
@@Frank-sm9yl you go tell the Founding Fathers that what they wrote was wrong and then get back to us, champ.
Fucking idiot.
@@Frank-sm9yl no it’s doesn’t
@dickarmstrong4092 “Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people"
John Adams
If you don't accept that part of the constitution you are free to leave the United States. Yes, I'm talking to you, evangelical christians.
At 70 years old our teachers dove deeper into the Constitution than the teachers do to day I have seen the lessons. My kids, grandkids and great grandkids have received on it and it's a joke.
@@jefffox2010you are so right about that!
You want politics out of churches then get you churches out of politics 🤷🏼♂️
From the administration that places the Pride flag over the US flag
Where has the church imposed any will onto those governments?
@@rockweirdo8147the church doesn’t impose anything, only that it can push a certain group of people to extremism
@@MrGgabberno how could the goverment put up a flag representing people that exist in reality and not one that supports my fairy tales that have caused more death and suffering than the lgbtq community ever possibly could
@MrSquiy I don't think the WH should wave any religious flag, separation of church and state!
"look it up rookie" - an old MAGAt wrote that for sure.
Conservative owned with facts and logic 😎
Must be a day ending in Y.
David, my Dad was a minister of the Christian faith and he always said that the only reason we (United States of America) are as progressive as we are is because we have separation of church and state. When there isn't separation of church and state you experience things like Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran...etc. you get the point. Thank God for separation of church and state!
Then several laws recently passed are Unconstitutional?
How do we stop them?
Pray?
😂😅😂
@@brunetteordie More than that: Thoughts and prayers. It's the Right's go-to.
@@brunetteordie VOTE THE REPUGS OUT!!!!
Class action lawsuits in each church-ruled state, against each lawmaker and governor.
Vote them out, and restore sanity to our country.
"Congress shall make no laws respecting the establishment of a religion."
These people can talk themselves into believing anything. The constitution doesn't say "separation of church and state" verbatim so they decided it doesn't say it.
And yes, we know what the founders "really meant".
They wrote it down. If you don't like how they implied it in the constitution, they said it very clearly and specifically in their personal writings.
These are the same people who, when Trump says something completely racist, sexist, etc. will then say: "You can't take him literally. What he REALLY meant was....."
But then expect every single thing in the Constitution to be spelled out in minute detail and none of it is open to translation.
To call them stupid is an insult to stupid people.
, “Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people"
Adams
Separation of Church and State is very real and its meaning is written in the 1st Amendment.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ... "
Our Founding Fathers knew very well that when religion was permitted to rule, it always ended in the violation of human rights. They not only witnessed the religious persecuting each other in England but also right here in America. Yes, the Puritans came here for religious freedom, but then they started persecuting anyone who wasn't Puritan or anyone who had different religious views by beating, banishing, and killing.
This is why the language of the 1st Amendment builds a wall between church and state. They understood that there was no freedom of religion WITHOUT freedom from religion.
Do you know why and how we know this? Because the founders told us. We have records of their meetings, letters, communications, etc. They explicitly wanted a secular government. Our founders were diverse when it came to religion. Some were Christian, some were Deists, some were non-religious, and some were atheists.
PS- there's no such thing as Judeo-Christian values. It's just something modern politicians made up. Much less the foundation of our Constitution.
“Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people"
John Adams
You're very wrong. The preamble to the Constitution even states rights endowed by our Creator.
The complete opposite of what you state is true. The founders were VERY wary of secular morality, as they witnessed the horrors of the French Revolution. They also recognized the rights of people to practice their own religion and not be forced (a la the Chruch of England) into practicing one government established religion.
They all knew that people were inherently religous. Morals come from religion, and morals form laws. Do you think the founders intended people to invent religions where murder was okay?
This is all very well documented in The Federalist Papers, you should read them sometime.
@MrGgabber The United States of America should have a foundation free from the influence of clergy.
George Washington
This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.
John Adams
Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
Thomas Jefferson
The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe with blood for centuries.
James Madison
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
Thomas Jefferson
The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.
Thomas Jefferson
I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies.
Benjamin Franklin
Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion and Government in the Constitution of the United States, the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history.
James Madison
You clearly haven't read much of what our founding fathers said about religion and Christianity.
And the line endowed by their creator is from the declaration of independence, not the preamble to the constitution. It is a political document, not a legal one.
Morals absolutely do not come from religion. If they did, we'd still have slavery.
*Rightfully enough, Atheism in any form is a protected position in the U.S.:*
The Supreme Court has recognized atheism as *equivalent* to a “religion for purposes of the First Amendment on numerous occasions, most recently in McCreary County, Ky. v. American Civil Liberties Union of Ky., 545U.S. 844, 125 S. Ct. 2722, 162 L.Ed.2d 729 (2005).
The Establishment Clause itself says only that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,” but the Court understands the reference to religion to include what it often calls “non-religion.” *“The decision: "Atheism is not a religion,* but it does “take a position on religion, the existence and importance of a supreme being, and a code of ethics.” For that reason, it qualifies as a religion *for the purpose of First Amendment protection,* despite the fact that in common usage atheism would be considered the absence, rejection, or opposite of religion. *Put another way, discrimination on the basis of religious belief extends to ALL beliefs about religion and is proof that religious liberty does not operate in just one direction.*
Thanks for admitting atheism is a religion. One just as ignorant as any other. Claiming to know theres no higher power in the universe is just as bold a claim as to claim there is.
THE TIME HAS COME AND THEIR BEGGING !! TAX ALL CHURCHES NOW !!
Why?
@@Alpha1918because they are not keeping out of state affairs. If a church preaches about voting for someone, they should be taxed same as any other PAC.
While I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment, what will happen is that the churches in low income and underserved neighborhoods would be disproportionately hit just like all flat taxes do.
@@Alpha1918How many "Churches" would go by the wayside once their loopholes for avoiding taxation are removed?
Once they start paying taxes, then they can *legally* preach political agendas from the pulpit. Which you know they are doing anyway *Illegally!*
But, I want to ask you..
Why Not?
@@neurolancer81 I haven’t seen any churches getting involved with state affairs, and is that the criteria for taxation?
The word "separation of church and state" may not be in any law, and may come from a letter, but the concept it describes is definitely in the constitution and in centuries of precedent.
I find that when they can't find any proof of their claims they will instead tell you to look it up.
And then, when you do look it up and own them with facts, they'll usually resort to yelling, name-calling, and maybe even violence.
@@dark14life Don't forget "whataboutism". They like to throw that around too when found wanting on the facts.🤷♂️
The Revolutionary War and the framing of the Constitution happened less than 100 years after the Salem/New England witch trials and the founders wanted to establish that nothing like that should happen again.
In 1692, The British Crown agreed that Puritan leaders should handle their own witchcraft problem in their community, seeing it as a religious matter. Consequently, the Crown gave over to the religious inquisitors the full power of the law to accuse and conduct their own witch trials. Of course, it wasn't long before the Puritans started accusing Puritans and non-Puritans alike, and of course, things went very wrong for a great number of people, with that kind of authority in the hands of religious zealots who used crazy stuff like "spectral evidence" as a valid basis for imprisonment, seized assets, and even lethal legal prosecution.
Our Founding fathers had that very much in mind when framing our Constitution. They well recognized that religious and civil law do not mix. There's a reason it's the First Amendment. Religious zealots with authority become autocrats very quickly. It never fails to become oppressive.
There may certainly be a letter written by someone to someone where something about separation of church and state was recorded but just ignoring that it's literally in the US Constitution is just a bonehead move.
@scottcrooks9864 there are letters, book passages, treaties in plain language. there are far more than one source. you can also look to state constitutions written at the time as well. it boggles the mind how many hoops these fundies go through to say there is none.
@sorejack
Republicans also don’t understand that the separation of church and state is meant to benefit both institutions. It’s not a one-way street.
On this date in 1953 Eisenhower signed off on changing the national motto from E Pluribus Unum (Out of Many, One) to In God We Trust. We went from, Let's all pull together, to Whatever, God (the Judeo-Christian one, presumably) will take care of us.
Church and state .. Church is a personal matter .. Buda , Christ , Hindi , .. State is a public matter for all
The first amendment states 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.' The doctrines of 'separation of Church and State, freedom of religion, and freedom FROM religion are all drawn from Supreme Court decisions based on that amendment.
Arguably, making exceptions for religion - such as in the case of taxes - is respecting them and violating the Constitution. Religions should have to obey the laws just like everyone and everything else.
The Founding Fathers, while believing in God, said the government will not establish a national religion, read the Constitution for specificity. No one is taking away Christianity, although you are making some people mad enough that they want to throw out the baby with the dishwater because of your oppression. The Bible says it is a personal relationship with God. Jesus nor any of his followers in the Bible instructed people to get into government so you can force your beliefs on others. Christianity doesn't work that way. It is convincing each person, not forcing laws. Read the Bible and see Jesus and his followers examples. Jesus did not overthrow the Pharisees, Herod or Caesar. Anyone thinking they should is not preaching Jesus, nor the Constitution.
I went to school in the 60s and 70s, and that's what I was taught. When did it change, or did it ever ever change? No, it didn't. The people changed. Backing religion of their choice.
It's always fun to then ask, well which religion? Gee, if only we had some kind of official document which stated no one religion could be dominate or supreme over the others... oh, wait ..
ill agree about uniting state and church, but tax ALL churches (no matter what the religion is) 50% of total donations. Lets see them call for separation themselves 😂
Then abortion laws should be overturned
True! One should not impose their belief or ideology just because they are super famous and assumed that we should do the same regardless of what your beliefs.
1st amendment, freedom of religion, and also freedom from religion
the establishment clause has two points, one that the government cannot make a state religion or pass religiously based laws and two, citizens are free to practice any religion or none.
article 6 also removes religious tests as a qualification to any office.
If god is great, why does it have to be forced onto people? If that works for you, then keep it to yourself
It also does not denote Christianity as the supreme or founded religion.
What about a Mormon leader who is a judge? Look at Utah
The idea of the current reading of second amendment was from a letter as well.
So your religion, even if it’s a code of laws from another country, doesn’t make you exempt from complying to the law of the land in America. If you are a follower of such a religion, it should disqualify you from any job in our Constitutional Republic because your religion demands allegiance to its code of laws first & foremost. It’s not bias against the religion. The religion & its laws are not compatible. You are breaking one’s laws or the other, unless you’re claiming to use the lie of deception for protection to further your holy war, ehm. I mean gain more followers.
Sharia Law is a moral code.
Not an actual set of laws.
It's the Islam version of the Ten Commandments.
That's all.
If you don't want Muslims to hold office or even be in America because they follow their religion's moral code, then Christians should be treated the same way, don't you think?
There are already many cases of Christians refusing to do their jobs and follow the laws of this land because of their moral code aka the Ten Commandments.
Why aren't you mad about them?
Oh, right. Because they believe the same fairy tales that you do. So, it's ok.
Go be stupid somewhere else, kid.
The founding fathers were THEISTS not CHRISTIAN people !
Deists is the term you're looking for.
Politicians should have a moral self and govern without a single religion
Out of curiosity, How will it derive its morals?
@@ETsBees to use the ten commandments as just an example can you tell me of any religion that teaches against those ideas ... Faith is personal and a moral self is not religious. Right and wrong has nothing to do with religion. civics has its own morals
@paulcernava7091 lmao, civics is not a moral code, and moral realitivism has only led to historically atrocious outcomes. Human beings are by nature religious. It's either morality from God (as the founders intended and wrote about extensively) or morality from the LGBT religion
@@MrGgabber oh gabber religion does not teach morals and LGBT is not a religion no matter how afraid you are
@paulcernava7091 No, morality is found through virtue, which leads to religion. This has been true throughout human history. The LGBT movement absolutely qualifies as a religion, by definition, as well as satisfying every basic tenet of religion according to most religous scholars.
Sorry about facts 🤷
Don't you live how smug they are when they are obviously so grossly misinformed
Let's call it what it is. A gathering of shared delusions.
Like thinking men can be women?
@@MrGgabber maybe stop treating men like shit and idolizing women and people will not longer have the urge to be women
@@MrGgabber female privilege is a real thing in both sides
This is why U S constitutional law is described as "secular".
Religion belongs behind the doors of a church. Not one step beyond.
No, it's a way of life, people are allowed to speak what they believe, even in politics. The body of the church shouldn't be in politics, but the individual should.
All religious conservatives have one thing in common...they haven't read the documents they deem holy.
Either document.
Apparently this genius figured something out that no one has been able to figure out in almost 250 years. Republicans are smart.
The original Constitution of the United States that was ratified in 1789 had only ONE REFERENCE TO RELIGION: [Article 6] No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any Office or Public Trust under the United States.
The de facto motto of the United States, adopted as part of the Great Seal of the U.S. by an Act of Congress in 1782, was E. Pluribus Unum (Out of Many, One). Congress changed it 174 years later (1956) to "In God We Trust".
The ORIGINAL 'Pledge of Allegiance' was written in 1892 by Baptist Minister Francis Bellamy who DID NOT INCLUDE the words "Under God". Those were added by Congress 62 year later (1954).
The U.S. didn't issue Paper Currency until 1861, & 'In God We Trust' didn't appear on it for 96 years (1957).
“As the government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Religion" ~ Treaty of Tripoli; initiated under President George Washington, 1796, signed into law by President John Adams, 1797, ratified unanimously by the Senate, 1797, published in full in all 13 states, with no record of complaint or dissent.
"I am for freedom of religion and against all maneuvers to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another."
--Thomas Jefferson, letter to Elbridge Gerry, January 26, 1799
“Christianity neither is, nor ever was part of the common law.” Thomas Jefferson
“Religion and government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together.” James Madison
“The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.” John Adams
"In every country, in every age, the priest has always been hostile to liberty...He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection of his own."
Thomas Jefferson
Founding Father Thomas Paine on Christianity. “The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race, have had their origin in this thing called revelation, or revealed religion…”
AMERICA WAS NOT FOUNDED ON "CHRISTIAN VALUES", IT WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE A CHRISTIAN NATION, IT NEVER WILL BE A CHRISTIAN NATION. AMERICA IS A SECULAR COUNTRY. YOUR "FREEDUM OF RELIGION' ENDS WHERE MY CONSTITUTIONAL & BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS, LIBERTIES & PRIVLEGES BEGIN. DON'T LIKE IT, D!3 MAD ABOUT IT.
David, I think that most folks don't understand "Establishment of religion." Apparently the history of State religion isn't well understood.
"RomanCamilciu," the viewer has been watching too much TBN and Faux. He should spend more time watching David P-man.
These guys always leave out the second part of the First Amendment: "... or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Look it up, rookie.
They don't get it...I had to school2 coworkers for preaching to our captive mental health pstients....we took federal funds so it was a no no.....the administration backed me up but the "help " still didnt get it.....
US constitution does not even mention "church and state." The last 3 SC justices know this quite well.
And use that to their advantage.
You think the SC is apolitical....NEVER has been.
“The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”
- John Adams
the 1796 Treaty of Tripoli by founding father and first vice-president John Adams
Prior to amendments, the only mention in the Constitution was to say that there shall be NO RELIGIOUS TEST to hold office; then, the very first amendment added the proscription against the establishment of religion by law.
It feels as so much that they are using religion though. Hell Texas AG even just asked lawmakers to attend church and become religious.. for you guessed it.. To create laws using religion... This shouldn't happen!
Article six paragraph three, states that there shall be No Religious test to hold any Elected office or appointed position in the US Government
The First Amendment states that the Government Shall not ESTABLISH or interfere with Any Establishment of Religion, Nor Will they prevent any person from worshiping However they
The literally just heard Boebert or a few other MAGA cultists say this exact phrase and just assumed it must be true.
Ding ding ding... wrong again!
… and this is AFTER every US citizen has passed through the U.S. education system and its Civics classes.
I sit at the southern most tip of the African continent, yet it will appear that my scant knowledge of the U.S. Constitution far exceeds that of many repuglican adults.
The hypocritical irony, of course, is that this commenter RomanCamilciu didn't bother to look it up him/herself - didn't hold him/herself up to the same requirement expected. He/she was just passing on a rumor as "the truth."
Nope, conservative Christians are permitted to use the power of the State to impose their hate-driven will on women, black people and gay and transgender people.
Your Constitution didn't mean *them*, only liberal Christians and other faiths and especially non-religious people have no religious rights.
This was /snark, but I do have a daughter-in-law who actually believes this.
I agree to the latter. There should be no laws based on any ones particular religion. Roe vs Wade should have never been overturned. PERIOD! Just out of sheer Social norms and Tradition Same sex marriages should not be forced to be recognized by Law.
The principle of the separation of church and state is widely regarded as a cornerstone of American democracy. This concept is often interpreted as a constitutional mandate, ensuring religious freedom and preventing the establishment of a national religion. However, a closer examination of the U.S. Constitution and the intentions of the Founding Fathers suggests that this interpretation may be a misreading of the original text.
The phrase "separation of church and state" does not appear anywhere in the U.S. Constitution. The First Amendment states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," but it does not explicitly call for a separation of church and state. The interpretation of these words as implying a strict separation is a matter of legal and historical debate.
The Founding Fathers were meticulous in their choice of language, carefully crafting the Constitution to reflect their vision for the new nation. If their intention was to create a rigid separation of church and state, they could have explicitly stated so in the Constitution. The absence of such explicit language suggests that the modern interpretation of the First Amendment may not align with the original intent of the Founding Fathers.
The phrase "separation of church and state" itself was coined by Thomas Jefferson in a private letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802, well after the ratification of the Constitution. Jefferson's use of the phrase in a personal correspondence does not constitute a constitutional mandate.
Furthermore, the Treaty of Tripoli, signed in 1796, is often cited as evidence of the Founding Fathers' intent to separate church and state[^1^][1][^2^][2]. Article 11 of the treaty states that "the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"[^1^][1][^2^][2]. However, it's important to note that this treaty was signed to secure commercial shipping rights and protect American ships in the Mediterranean Sea from local Barbary pirates[^1^][1][^2^][2]. The statement about the U.S. government not being founded on the Christian religion may have been included to assuage the Dey of Tripoli and prevent further hostilities[^1^][1][^2^][2].
In conclusion, the principle of the separation of church and state, as commonly understood, is not explicitly stated in the U.S. Constitution. The interpretation of the First Amendment as implying such a separation may be a misinterpretation. A careful reading of the Constitution, an understanding of the historical context, and a consideration of the circumstances surrounding the Treaty of Tripoli suggest that the relationship between religion and government in the United States is more nuanced than the modern interpretation suggests.
It is DEEPLY concerning that a major western nation is on the verge of becoming a theocracy. If you wouldn't go that far, its shocking that religion is so prevalent in political speeches. Saying that laws are justified by being what god would want etc. Even phrases like one nation under god are problematic.
Article 11 of the 1796 Treaty of Tripoli makes it clear what the founding fathers views on the relationship between Christianity and the federal government is (hint: none), and this treaty was never rescinded. It is still the law of the land.
Humanism is a form of thoughts. As religous groups tend to have groups of though. Both will have influence on lawmakers minds. Est of Religion should be interpreted as in 1780s and not in the 2000. Look at what was happening in Va and concerns in Cn in the 1780s meaning the church of england was impossing its power over the land of England 100 years before our counstitution and it was a thought in our new country that there would not be one church or religion influencing the whole. So Humanism of the 2000s must be put in the same position in our counrty. It should not be the established religion over our country today.....
If you don’t understand the context of what things were written, you will believe something that is not true or misconstrue the facts. By the way, the phrase “the separation between church and state“ is not in the constitution or Bill of Rights. The reason that Jefferson said in his letter to the Danbury Baptist’s in Connecticut, regarding a wall of separation between church and state, is because it was a repudiation of proclamations of thanksgivings & fastings, because it was something that King George III, the legal head of the church at that time. He didn’t want the United States to become a British monarchy. It had nothing to do with men of state being religious because if you read the writings and memoirs of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln, you will see that they had fervent belief and faith in God and the Bible. Had nothing to do with wanting to have a secular state. They just didn’t want to be controlled or ruled by, at that time, the King of England and the Roman Catholic Church. You have to understand your history, in the dark ages there was only one religion in Christianity, and that was Roman Catholicism. The Lutherans, the Weslyan’s, Baptist’s, Puritans etc. were the first groups to break away from the Catholic Church, and become what is known as protestant Christian. Most of the founding fathers not all were in that category. Most founding fathers were either Puritans, Quakers, Baptist, or Presbyterian. They didn’t want an established denomination or established church to rule over them. Not that they didn’t believe in Christianity and believe it should be part of our founding documents. Because most of our founding documents are rooted in the Old and New Testament.
An idea promoted by Voltaire who was wise and had a good sense if humor.
The Founding Fathers approved. Franklin met him.😂
The 1st Amendment says America won't make a state religion like the Church of England. But murder being wrong comes from the Bible. So we failed to separate the State from the Church
Where do they get these crazy ideas? Oh, wait a minute, I believe this one came from Lauren Boebert. 🤦♀️
"You can believe in any religion you want ... as long as you worship Jesus Christ."
David, I love you man, but you can not get through or teach people who are wilfully ignorant and already believe they know it all. They dont understand a thing. The things they say they believe in and the doctrine they say they believe in dont match up. Either politically with the Constitution or religiously with the Bible. They hold these things as sacred, but their belief system tends to be the opposite of the actual doctrine. You can not have a productive conversation with these people. It isnt worth waisting your time and breath. I wish it were different, but it will end up being a catastrophic event that pulls them out of their self impossed darkness. It is kind of like World War II Germany. When they took Berlin and Hitler was dead, all of a sudden you couldn't find a Nazi in Germany. Like it neber happened. This is the same deal. They wont realize how wrong they are until some event slaps them across the face...unfortunatly because we need everyone on the same page to fix this mess.
I look forward to a day that the Supreme Court goes through the laws and removes any law that exists due to religious backing or is based on any faith inspiration. Like for instance, abortion, trans rights, etc..
Religion should stay out of government
Explain Mayorkas or Feinstein maybe Pelosi
Establishment clause and Exclusionary clause are of both in the 1st Amendment of the Constitution. So funny how these types of people are so into the 2nd Amendment when they don’t even read the 1st
"frame" laws seems a bit of an overeach.
cuz prudence and maybe even jurisprudence laws kinda are religious
look at the bible belt south and our dry counties the legal hurdles of no alcohol on sundays except from certain types of businesses after a certain hour.
even now in 2023 and as early as the prohibition era of american history.
also federal hollidays tend to coincide with christian hollidays. im not sure when the hollidays honor "rosh hosh shanna" (i know i butchered the spelling im not jewish), or Hanukah, or ramadan, and other religionous days. those hollidays are on the calendar but bank hollidays, federal hollidays, and paid vacations tend to be more christian centric. just sayin.
the way i see it: the laws are inspired/framed to be permissive of the ethical aspects of religions.
stuff that even non religious folks can even agree on like "thou shalt not kill"
basic golden rule laws of "treat others the way you want to be treated"
now the strict religious stuff that has no logic but just as a practioner of faith would be an interesting topic to divulge into but generally speaking monday to friday work days with sundays off for rest/religious worship tends to coincide with most religions im aware of. im not a religious guru of all religions so i cant say for sure about the non american religions especially if theyre not popular in my part of the USA. idk how buddists, east asian and tribal religions even work.
i just know historically speaking religion is kinda part of the human experience. even if not christian. which makes me concerned for their soul but legally speaking america had to be a neutral party to the diverse relgions of the land.
im kinda curious what would happen to our feral pigs if america was more jewish or islam. lol, would the pork industry implode or would the swine be so unclean that the christians would have to purge the swine from the farms and the wild?
False.
No government enforcement of any particular denomination
The First Amendment of the United States Constitution proclaims, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” This is commonly known as the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause.
The Establishment Clause, when taken at face value, mean that it is designed to prevent the government from meddling in the establishment of a religion by private citizens. the clause is a bulwark for individual religious liberty, signifying that individuals possess the right to establish their own religions and practice them freely, devoid of government interference.
this is in harmony with the Free Exercise Clause, which unequivocally safeguards the right to practice one’s religion. It underscores the significance of individual religious freedom and diversity in American society. the First Amendment not only inhibits the government from favoring one religion over another but also defends the right of individuals to create and practice their own religions.
Therefore, the First Amendment is not about endorsing a “national religion,” but rather about ensuring the freedom of individuals to establish and practice their own religions without government interference. It is a testament to the pluralistic and diverse nature of American society, where every individual has the right to their own religious beliefs and practices. The First Amendment, in essence, is a celebration of religious diversity and individual liberty. It is not about the establishment of a national religion, but about the freedom of every individual to establish and practice their own religion. This is the essence of the First Amendment - a safeguard for religious liberty and a testament to the pluralistic nature of American society.
The government is its own religion however ? Because a religion is any , I repeat any " belief system " and the government is a very changling system at its own whim 😮. Morphing as it will.
You hear so much about the separation of church, and state. The phrase which is not even found in the constitution. What the founding fathers did believe is this… there should be no state church paid for with tax money, but not ever in their wildest dreams did they ever think about the separation of God, and government. Thats why we say “one nation under God,” “God bless america,” and “we are endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights,” Its just your lack of knowledge, and understanding.
Massachusetts had establish religion of congretionalist and excited baptist and sentenced anyone who Christmas to death.
I am not anti-semitic nor anti-muslim. But the establishment of religious states in Israel and Pakistan has created the same problems in those countries the founding fathers were trying to avoid in the US founding, which was using religion as the arbiter of practical governance.
With freedom OF religion also comes freedom FROM it
This is one of those peculiarities of the USA which does not seem to be an issue anywhere else in the OECD countries. Where it's perfectly fine to have political parties which have obvious and explicit foundations in religion, which do not cause constitutional confusion every time they propose some law. In those countries people care more about freedom of speech and freedom of religion than absolute separation of church and state.
Separation of church and state is def a law, However, people are tripping if they think religion doesnt affect our culture and that doesnt affect our laws. Even non religious people living in a society will have thought processes adopted from the religion just because it has been permeating in the collective consciousness of people for centuries. Ideal separation of Church and state is a great idea, in theory. In practice, ideal separation is very hard to achieve. The laws are going to always be informed by the relgiion of the populace, directly or indirectly. But sure, we can use it to prevent them literally trying to make verses from holy books into laws if they dont make actual sense.
This fella musta went to school with tater-green. Pendéjo High
And the chuch should lose their (501c) exempt from tax status if they Politic!
David Pakman IS CORRECT; look it up, rookie!
If separation of religion from government isn't law then the right to bear arm is hookum.... can't have it both ways!
That person should look up the Dunning Kruger effect.
Every person who believes David should look up if separation of church and state is in the constitution or just a miss interpretation.
David should have looked before instead of playing the fool again
Commenter Roman was wrong and David packman was correct.
Wrong. What that means is there is no national religion. I.e. the government can't force you to practice a particular religion. That's all. And that guy was right about the letter
I really don't know where some folks get their "facts" from. they are saying that there is a letter keeping government out of churches. This might be, but the constitution says keep the church out of government.
Almost correct. Everyone's religion influences them, even lack of religion. The state shall have no implemented religion. this is in direct defiance to the king of England at that time who had implemented the church of England.
It says “Congress shall make no law…”, not no government in any community whatsoever.
Your church would never want to pay taxes/combine church and state
Dude has no clue that secularism actually protects their church from being updated/reformed to current moral values.
Separation of Church/State is not in the constitution. That’s why he stopped reading the 1st amendment mid sentence. The first amendment is regarding no laws passed to interfere with the establishment or exercise of church.