In our day, many gatherings have a totemic object, such as a 'talking stick', indicating that this person has a right to be heard. AFAIK democracies would function better if opponents might listen outside their reverberating silos.
Haha, it was a tradition in order for others to respect the speaker, until things got changed much the way of a mask wearing, Brits tend to have an odd way of raising a point across which is named 'Hat toss' Ever since the events unfolding after world war 1, people used hats as a way to respect those fallen, ever since wearing a hat inside of parliament became a law, you must wear a hat to speak across an important message to the Chairman. Nowadays since gender equality and religious individuality it was abolished, not only people found the hat tossing and wear sorta rude, it could also go against anothers gender or religious beliefs let's say, they wore a burka or some other form of religion type of hat, nowadays, it's straighten up the tie and lay down your die, odds Vs evens, who's voice will win type of policy which still goes strong to this day
Honestly this looked pretty baller. The throw, the reception, the flick of the wrist opening the hat, and then to top it off the most rizzed out sitting I've ever seen
Absolutely agree. This was straight up the most courtly and suave introduction to speaking ones own point of conversation. Every society at some point has had this method of speaking in groups. This just so happened to be the most refined cultured introduction I've seen in a courtroom.
Here’s the thing: we outsiders can’t even begin to comprehend just how much funnier Monty Python is to a domestic audience precisely because of stuff like this 😂
@@RGeorgeDore ok, but here me out, what if we demand that the MP's and fishi rishi as well as the other worthless bastards that i can't remember right now start saying the proper, unfiltered truth...AND wear the funny hat?
Sorry but your motion can not be heard clapping is strictly forbidden in this house chamber, I am going to have to ask you to refrain from such an action.
@@notnotadevstill an improvement. Anything involving those husks doing something that might shuffle them off the mortal coil so someone who actually wants to represent the people and not their rich upper class friends is an improvement lol.
: Have you seen the new bank notes, designed so that nobody will want to use them: So we'll have to use credit cards, then they can change £ into €, which they can easily deny has anything to do with them?
as an english "person" the only thing good about our politics is these weird out of date laws made up hundreds of years ago for apparently no fucking reason are the only thing about our politics that isnt depressing or frustrating also the speaker of the house has to get dragged into his new seat when he is appointed also a guy titled the black rod has a little ceremony they do where the door of the house of commons is slammed in their face
Which is sad cause it actually kinda does it's job, especially with the top hat, it's hard to miss whose speaking or that they want to, especially since they still have to exit the forum to cast their votes
If schools can have a talking stick then parliament can have a talking hat. Keeps shit simple, organised and it stops everyone talking over each other and would lead to more shit actually being done
@@GrammarPaladin honestly i just meant the hat lol. There is nothing wrong with interruptions. Wouldn't it have been nice if someone interrupted Hitler in The German Congress/Parliament/Reichstagg? Because man, absolutely silencing people is not democratic at all. Theyre elected for a reason. Maybe some British MP starts spewing pure nonsensical hatred, should we let it go because of the hat? Interruptions should be allowed. Thats why theres a Speaker. America just had a national debate on Representatives in State Congress/Parliaments being silenced by "super majorities" which is a phenomenon only known here really lol like they wouldn't even hear their side of the debate because it was technically unnecessary omfg its horrible. 2 Democrats got impeached then reinstalled as their own replacements it's a mess really. I choose interruptions over autocracy.
Not at all. This isn't what most causes them to be ridiculed. The sad thing is they absolutely need to bring this back because, from what I've seen, it's complete chaos in that room every day now.
@@markopolo1271 It couldn't inject interest into this pit of cretins if they were wearing a hat that projected a hologram of You've Been Framed greatest hits out of the top.
I will never understand how hats have gone so out of fashion 😭 a giant step back imo… Ive been watching a lot of WWII documentaries lately and I can’t help but think “Damn those hats and suits back in the day had style…”
They were of a certain class of people, most ordinary people back then had work overalls, sunday best and after work clothes. It wasn't all like peaky blinders and everybody had a suit and everybody just looked better, there was a much more grim reality to how people lived and especially with the little clothes they worn
@@TheWaveGoodbye-Music Well from the footage I’ve seen almost everyone you can see on camera walked around like that in big cities. I’m only talking about the US though. No idea how things were in Europe.
@@TheWaveGoodbye-Musiceven poor people wanted to look good. Nowadays, working people have a hundred outfits from Shein and other crap outlets, back then they have 1 or 2 very good quality outfits to wear when not at work. That would absolutely include a hat! Even farmers wore hats. Nice hats? No, but still hats.
I'd guess it's due to classes being a bigger thing but honestly it's probably also convenience/comfort. Now you can throw on really well made, comfy clothing that's cheap and simple. There's no need for all this hoopla and everyone agrees so it's become the norm to wear basic clothing. I think you'd get the piss taken out of you for dressing fancy but you'd look unique these days at least.
You do realise it was still in this era they shouted a lot. They're the ones who invented that style of talking and "hear hear" blind by nostalgia as always people are. We have clips from thatcher times
😂class? That is exactly what has decimated the British NHS, introduced food banks as a necessity and seeks to blame immigrants and the under and unemployed for their greed and corruption.
I had to look it up. Figured some of you might be amused by some further reading. From "Some Traditions and Customs of the House House of Commons Information Office Factsheet G7 8" p7-8 (including the quote from the end of the clip): Alfred Kinnear MP, in 1900, summed up the hat-wearing rules as follows:- "At all times remove your hat on entering the House, and put it on upon taking your seat; and remove it again on rising for whatever purpose. If the MP asks a question he will stand, and with his hat off; and he may receive the answer of the Minister seated and with his hat on. If on a division he should have to challenge the ruling of the chair, he will sit and put his hat on. If he wishes to address the Speaker on a point of order not connected with a division, he will do so standing with his hat off. When he leaves the House to participate in a division he will take his hat off, but will vote with it on. If the Queen sends a message to be read from the chair, the Member will uncover. In short, how to take his seat, how to behave at prayers, and what to do with his hat, form between them the ABC of the parliamentary scholar." To increase their appearance during debates and to be seen more easily, a Member wishing to raise a point of order during a division was, until 1998, required to speak with his hat on. Collapsible top hats were kept for the purpose. This requirement was abolished following recommendations from the Modernisation Select Committee, which stated: “At present, if a Member seeks to raise a point of order during a division, he or she must speak "seated and covered". In practice this means that an opera hat which is kept at each end of the Chamber has to be produced and passed to the Member concerned. This inevitably takes some time, during which the Member frequently seeks to use some other form of covering such as an Order Paper. This particular practice has almost certainly brought the House into greater ridicule than almost any other, particularly since the advent of television. We do not believe that it can be allowed to continue.”
I think I cut that excerpt off before maybe the most interesting paragraph, at least the latter half of it: The Committee also recommended that Members raising such a point of order should do so by standing in the normal way but from a position on the second bench as close to the Chair as possible, so they could be heard by both the Speaker and the Official Report. Male MPs may still not address the House whilst wearing a hat: women Members are exempt from this rule, though the different rules in society generally relating to female hat-wearing may well have caused a few problems when women first sat in the House in the 1920s.
Very interesting! Thanks for the context. The modernisation of things like this is good. Imagine if we were like America and the hat rule was written by some guys 200 years ago and couldn't be realistically changed.
"Particularly since the advent of television" "The peasants can see us and ridicule us for all the stupid shit we do to feel important and Pike a nobleman"
@@buzz1ebee in both countries, the rules of the lower house are controlled by coddes of conduct made by the chambers and easily modifiable. That is why the hoise of representatives changed their code of conduct a few months ago to be more similar to the house of commons
I think we are now in a position to look back with the benefit of a quarter century's hindsight and say decisively that eliminating the hat requirement has not improved the conduct of Parliament's business.
The Talking Hat needs a return with this set of rules: 1) The MP with the Hat can only speak when wearing this hat during Hat Time (Rules for this to be figured out by the House of Commens) 2) The Hat can only be passed to another MP by handing to the next MP after walking over to the next MP's location (Formal ceremonial procedure here?) 3) Appoint a Keeper of the Talking Hat to care for this hat
If your comment had been about the hat and Congress, my fellow Americans would have immediately begun arguing about whether the lice were Republican or Democrat.
I love how this actually worked, people would listen to whoever had the hat instead of constant interruptions Politicians help to show us all that adults are still just grown children
@@MaestroAlvis easy to follow the simple as long as its enforced. its like the talking ball. dont have the ball, dont talk. this isnt a bad idea at all, often we get rid of laws for stupidty that we dont question why they there. this wasnt a bad law, just an odd way of doing it.
Yes, but he's seen Cornelius Fudge's floppy hat every day for years, and if he still thought the House of Commons had some bad hats, think of how terrible those hats would have to be.@@timesnewlogan2032
@@ferzmat2313 Field Marshal Sir Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington He was Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and defeated Napoleon at Waterloo (with Prussian assistance)
This is like the "talking stick" where whoever has the stick can speak. Now it's just a bloody free for all and tons of "Orduuur ordddhurr...or....Ordduuurhh!!"
I've one of those in the loft. The mechanism is really slick, but the hat now looks like a tramp wore it for a couple of decades. For some reason I can't bring myself to chuck it out.
Man total sense tbh. You can see who is speaking quickly and it's creates a respect point to wait your turn. American debates havee become a far worse laughing stock.
These types of rules are the ones that must be kept forever for tradition sake, it looks awesome, even 100 years later it would still look awesome, it’s like “tell me it’s British without telling me it’s British”
@@eliahabib5111, because it is more orderly. Do you hear people screaming in the background for their turn? And apart from that, this tactic is also being used on primary schools so the children know who is talking and when to shut their mouths. Last point: if you would really think that people will bring their own hats to get their turn, aren't you just very childish (this of course in the bad and negative way) yourself?
@@Bruce954 are you aware that the hat rule originally referred to the member own hat? Only when hats got out of fation a shared hat was made available. The reason the rule was removed was because people where not wearing hats as part of fation and to comply with the rule they were using hats that are flexible/can be flattened. Which is undignified and once session are televised that could become embarassing for parlament. Hence the rule was removed. That rule was never intended to maintain order. It was used to make clear who wanted to raise an objection is specific cases, because the rest of the rule required all other sitted mp to remove their hat. It was a visual clue, nothing else.
@@Bruce954in fairness you don't hear shouting because the room is far from full. If this was PMQs then you most certainly would hear shouting. That's nothing new.
The shouting has always been a feature of the house of commons. It was sword play they were worried about in the past. This is why the opposition benches and the government benches are separated by two sword lengths. Things have calmed down a bit since then.
People shouldn't be so quick to judge and wish to eradicate things like this. Old traditions might look a little silly, but there is almost always a good reason for why they were created in the first place.
No we do need to eradicate the boarding school culture that exists in politics and the house of commons. Their every day behaviour in parliament is disgusting. It's not a playground. It's not a joke. They're in a position of immense privilege and they act like they're still at school.
@@bluebellbeatnik4945 it's by design. That way they'll keep you talking about their shouting matches and not about the decisions they take and the votes they produce on important issues.
I hate when people "update" and "modernize" and "fix" things that are not broken. Embrace your traditions, be proud of them. There is nothing wrong with having fun.
Exactly. There was one person that was speaking that was not worried about getting cut off and could go all the way down their train of thought. Good idea, and fun!
Yeah that's very British, it's pretty cool. It would be like us here in SC removing the ceremonial sword from our State Senate sessions (it has to be placed and removed to open and close the day) when electric lights became a thing they updated it so that when the sword is put in it's place two big globe lights illuminate at the top of the podium
Lots of eccentricity and traditional things make me proud to be English, this doesn’t though. It’s our legislator and it’s about as crazy looking here as it is actually ridiculous
"Everyone shut up I have the talking hat"
Hahaha
😆😆😆😆
nostalgia
The talking hat: "Huffelpuff!"
In our day, many gatherings have a totemic object, such as a 'talking stick', indicating that this person has a right to be heard. AFAIK democracies would function better if opponents might listen outside their reverberating silos.
him flicking the hat, putting it on, and slumping into the seat to talk was about as fly as a politician can get I think
I can't elieve this childish crap is waht goes on in the commons. Tax paying adults must be enraged.
@@benmartin8281nah it’s just you
I’m 4 months too late, lol. Fly as fuck
@@benmartin8281 Cry?
@@benmartin8281do u know what fun is? Or do u just pay taxes and work. Chill man let him talk about what he wants
The hat toss, the way he puts the hat ON and his nonchalant pose really just adds to it.
it doesnt add to it. it is _it_
They can stay home now. The UNs are calling all the shots now..
Perhaps one of the most British things I've ever seen. 😂
I’ve never seen a more British act of government, this was top notch ol bean top notch I do say 🇬🇧
@@squidvis I wouldn't say typically British, more Old Etonian.
he sat down like he's about to drop the most posh pick up line to maddame speaker lol
The more I watch it the better it is.
Nah, bring that shit back. That looks dapper as fuck
And far less ridiculous than calling any of them honourable.
An Illuminati ritual, the mad hatter
No one asked you Yankie doodle
@@Psybodumb yankee
@@Nosh_FeratuI don’t think you know what that means. It doesn’t work in this situation.
you can tell the dude practiced that hat toss.
parliment probably looked like a game of fucking frisbee
Haha, it was a tradition in order for others to respect the speaker, until things got changed much the way of a mask wearing, Brits tend to have an odd way of raising a point across which is named 'Hat toss'
Ever since the events unfolding after world war 1, people used hats as a way to respect those fallen, ever since wearing a hat inside of parliament became a law, you must wear a hat to speak across an important message to the Chairman.
Nowadays since gender equality and religious individuality it was abolished, not only people found the hat tossing and wear sorta rude, it could also go against anothers gender or religious beliefs let's say, they wore a burka or some other form of religion type of hat, nowadays, it's straighten up the tie and lay down your die, odds Vs evens, who's voice will win type of policy which still goes strong to this day
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One would expect so, the hat was kept for the exclusive purpose of allowing an MP to speak, the permission of the Speaker having been granted.
Should have kept this going.
They got their practice throwing around the weak bum boy at boarding school.
Honestly this looked pretty baller. The throw, the reception, the flick of the wrist opening the hat, and then to top it off the most rizzed out sitting I've ever seen
Was he sticking out his gyatt for the rizzler?
Did you just unironically use the word “rizzed”?
The most British thing ever😂
@@harleyb7880 I could see the founding fathers getting down like this
Absolutely agree. This was straight up the most courtly and suave introduction to speaking ones own point of conversation.
Every society at some point has had this method of speaking in groups. This just so happened to be the most refined cultured introduction I've seen in a courtroom.
This is the most Monty Python looking shenanigans I’ve ever seen 😅
Here’s the thing: we outsiders can’t even begin to comprehend just how much funnier Monty Python is to a domestic audience precisely because of stuff like this 😂
@@Mainyehc I'm from England and can confirm we fucking love it
Okay, now THIS has to be the most British thing ever.
Shows how moronic they are.
I thought that the most British thing ever was genocide of the poor through calculated insidiousness
@@jayk3551 too obvious. Vaudevillian votive villainy veritably visably verbose? Verboten.
No actually the most British thing is being Anglo, Scottish, Welsh, Cornish, and Protestant Irish.
@@ezekielwritesstfu
Ok but the way he caught the hat, popped it on, sat back and made his statement was way more class than it had any business being.
he looks like a disheveled hobo wearing a hat.
Bro took his seat like a fucking *don* 😂
We need to reinstate this rule....
That’s my grandpa mums life
NO. We need those FULCKERS to tell the truth and run the country honestly, and keep the flummery and contrivances to minimum.
I would rather see my neighbor's house smeared in dogshit than reinstate this rule
@@RGeorgeDore ok, but here me out, what if we demand that the MP's and fishi rishi as well as the other worthless bastards that i can't remember right now start saying the proper, unfiltered truth...AND wear the funny hat?
@@RGeorgeDorethe people who did this were honest.
I'm American, but you guys need to bring this shit back
The US needs a Stetson as a speaking hat. 🦅
@@Blaidd7542"Will the gentleman from Texas please yield the hat to Wyoming so they can make their point?"
😂😂😂😂@@ForgottenHonor0
Take care of trump 😂😂😂 to much gun culture in US
@@adarsh.m1999this didn't age well for UK though
NO ONE IS GONNA MENTION HOW SMOOTH THAT MAN WAS WITH IT!?
I'm guessing this is gonna probably go viral like 7 or 8 years later just cos of how smooth he was.
It's literally how every meme starts out
@@maddogbasil A bit like the Theresa May walking meme
Brits always toss items around, same goes with how Australia says many unbelievable swears, it's a fine tradition which shows respect among peers
Exactly! Thought it looked kinda suave.
I know! Catch, hat popped, lounge on bench like a cat. Thats l true parliamentary privilege 🤣🔥
The swagger in which he put the hat on and sat down, absolutely unparalleled. Bring the rule back.
Mums life that’s my grandpa
not only put it on, but also popped the hat open so easily. Opera hats aren't difficult to open, but he did it so smooth
Hahahh
I mean i would listen to him
@@t2ctproductions824no cap
Bro his swagger onto that sofa and the way he sits on it tells me he is an ancient rizzler.
Brooo lmfao
Senior sigma
That sofa had a small rip (maybe 4 inch ) and only cost 30k to repair. Yeh gov
The way he deploys the hat has such an aura
@@taliesinhallidayno… that’s rizzla
Can we petition to bring the hats back?
Yup
I wear a hat like that when go to festivals does that count 😂
Can we petition to just get rid of that room entirely.
Yeah bring back the hats, the big red noses and the long shoes. Make them dress like the circus clowns they actually are.
Collecting signatures …. Me
👏🏻 bring 👏🏻 back 👏🏻 the 👏🏻 hat 👏🏻
😅😅😅😅
This
honestly
Put it in a campaign and I'll for for ya 😂😂
Sorry but your motion can not be heard clapping is strictly forbidden in this house chamber, I am going to have to ask you to refrain from such an action.
Don't show this to Jacob Rees Mogg, he'll want this reinstated immediately.
It's a way of stopping mps talking over each other so he wouldn't want that.
Ngl it would be fun seeing this back again, and it has a purpose too lol
Nanny, fetch one’s hatty forthwith and don’t spare one’s horses.
Don't act like he doesn't know this was a thing. The man is a living fossil of Victorian Britain.
😂😂😂
This would make the House of Commons a lot more civilised, no yelling without the fancy hat
it only applied to points of order and not debate
@@notnotadevso during a point of order no one can speak
@@notnotadevstill an improvement. Anything involving those husks doing something that might shuffle them off the mortal coil so someone who actually wants to represent the people and not their rich upper class friends is an improvement lol.
The pose on the sit he made with the sound of his voice is straight up the most IRL version of anime villian intro
I love this. They should have kept it. It's like a talking pillow.
You saying our government are all banging each other?
No! He obviously doesn't agree with wearing it. Makes him look leprechauno!
Proposing a vote on scrapping Pound Sterling (Aqri Communitaire)!
Hang on..... A talking PILLOW????? This raises so many questions
And far less ridiculous than calling any of them honourable.
: Have you seen the new bank notes, designed so that nobody will want to use them: So we'll have to use credit cards, then they can change £ into €, which they can easily deny has anything to do with them?
As an American, I find the UK parliament far more entertaining than the US Congress. 😂
as an english "person" the only thing good about our politics is these weird out of date laws made up hundreds of years ago for apparently no fucking reason are the only thing about our politics that isnt depressing or frustrating
also the speaker of the house has to get dragged into his new seat when he is appointed
also a guy titled the black rod has a little ceremony they do where the door of the house of commons is slammed in their face
Same
Look up best of flint Michigan congress and you’ll change your mind I promise to god
@@bradley7013 eh sadly it's silly but, no sa much as the UK, over reacting yes but, not entertaining
I love the house of commons. Not so much half the tossers in there.
bring it back,these funny old things are what make a culture.
And that's exactly what they want to destroy.
Which is sad cause it actually kinda does it's job, especially with the top hat, it's hard to miss whose speaking or that they want to, especially since they still have to exit the forum to cast their votes
No such thing as white ppl culture
If schools can have a talking stick then parliament can have a talking hat. Keeps shit simple, organised and it stops everyone talking over each other and would lead to more shit actually being done
I think the British Parliament and British judges should bring back the funny whigs
2 things here. 1: that was probably one of most British things I’ve ever witnessed. And 2: why was that so cool.
Better question; why was it ever abolished?
bring this back fr
1) funny
2) u cant interrupt without the hat
what a fun rule. Shame they got rid of it
Terrible for democracy
@@shonenjumpmagneto Isn't the house of commons filled with way more interruptions today than a few decades ago?
@@GrammarPaladin honestly i just meant the hat lol. There is nothing wrong with interruptions. Wouldn't it have been nice if someone interrupted Hitler in The German Congress/Parliament/Reichstagg? Because man, absolutely silencing people is not democratic at all. Theyre elected for a reason. Maybe some British MP starts spewing pure nonsensical hatred, should we let it go because of the hat? Interruptions should be allowed. Thats why theres a Speaker.
America just had a national debate on Representatives in State Congress/Parliaments being silenced by "super majorities" which is a phenomenon only known here really lol like they wouldn't even hear their side of the debate because it was technically unnecessary omfg its horrible. 2 Democrats got impeached then reinstalled as their own replacements it's a mess really.
I choose interruptions over autocracy.
@@shonenjumpmagneto How?
@@shonenjumpmagneto they are not a democracy they are a constitutional monarchy The people are not citizens they are subjects of the crown
If you think this is what most causes them to be ridiculed, you haven't been paying attention.
Not at all. This isn't what most causes them to be ridiculed. The sad thing is they absolutely need to bring this back because, from what I've seen, it's complete chaos in that room every day now.
I think the hat rule is really befitting of the British Parliament. Bring it back!
I like it, helps prevent interruptions, helps everyone know who is talking, and it’s probably really exciting to get the hat.
Adults can do that without putting on a hat, obviously not the English
That's what I thought too; there can be a lot of people in the room. And it works!
The rule does still prevail, but now it's a piece of paper.
@@StuartBrownlie Yeh parliament gets rather heated
@@StuartBrownliekinda hard to tell if you’re only staring at the back of their head. At least when they have the hat on you know it’s them.
@@StuartBrownlie u never have had a discussion with more then 3 people and it shows.
“Minister Of Silly Hats”
Well, that tops it off 😂
That sounds like a monty python sketch
"Good day, sir..."
"But..."
"I SAID good day, sir!"
okay but that was so cunty the way he popped it out and sat with the flair and everything i love it
cunty???
Given how chaotic parliament is now, and how cool that hat throw looked, I vote we bring this back
Now they just have to hold the conch shell when it's their turn to speak, correct?
Hold the what??
All hail the magic conch!
@@Rialagmaread lord of the flies
Conch shell from splatoon??
@@amanda-we9fvthankfully someone got it haha
“Grab the hat tommy boy I gotta spread some laws”
Tradition is important, bring this back its awesome.
We need to reinstate this rule immediately
😅🤣🤣
Honestly though might as well add a little bit of spice into listening to them drivel on
@@markopolo1271 It couldn't inject interest into this pit of cretins if they were wearing a hat that projected a hologram of You've Been Framed greatest hits out of the top.
@@zacmumblethunder7466 same dude honestly but if I had to watch it I'd atleast want the hat to make a return
They shouldn’t have ever stopped this practice.
As an American I can appreciate how UK parliament is equally as useless as the US legislature but they at least make the effort to be interesting.
The perk of being a country of 4 countries rather than a federation of 50 states and 85,000 local council halls.
Don't do yourself down Mr American, your legislature is significantly more useless than ours.
Parliament are extremely useful.... At enriching their bank accounts. How dare you
Just Watch PMQ’s and you’ll have a laugh.
@@rainbowappleslice At least there's a weekly session were the executive is held to account. In the US, POTUS gives a speech once a year.
The way he pops it open, pops it on, then pops a squat is immaculate
As an American, I’m jealous why can’t we have a special hat we toss around? we demand our politicians share a top hat too!
Someone would find it either threatening or unconstitutional knowing how petty the senate is
@@bencurran3204Still not as bad as congress right now. Atleast senators can mostly get along and be bipartisan when it matters most.
@@cadennorris960 The senate is part of congress.
@@olachens Yeah I meant senate is better than the house
@@cadennorris960it must not ever matter unless they are sending money overseas
To be fair, this sorta makes sense.
It makes it easy to spot who is raising the point in the house in order direct attention too.
probably the initial reason they did it lol
It's upsetting that top hats and other hats no longer make up a part of fine attire.
Society has gone down the toilet since hats went out of fashion. And I don't mean baseball caps worn backwards - that's what 5 year olds wear.
@@zacmumblethunder7466 Caring what's sitting on one's head is the downfall of humanity. Grow up. It's about what's in one's head.
@@TheManOfReason. He was clearly being sarcasting and mocking me
Hats seem to be making a bit of a comeback. Let's hope that the effing Tories never do.
@@sandormccann2546 Baldness is rampant!
That dude was smooth with that… absolute baller!
This rule was the most British and hilarious thing ever, bring it back
I will never understand how hats have gone so out of fashion 😭 a giant step back imo… Ive been watching a lot of WWII documentaries lately and I can’t help but think “Damn those hats and suits back in the day had style…”
They were of a certain class of people, most ordinary people back then had work overalls, sunday best and after work clothes.
It wasn't all like peaky blinders and everybody had a suit and everybody just looked better, there was a much more grim reality to how people lived and especially with the little clothes they worn
EXACTLY! I don't care who sees it, I'll still dress like that now
@@TheWaveGoodbye-Music Well from the footage I’ve seen almost everyone you can see on camera walked around like that in big cities. I’m only talking about the US though. No idea how things were in Europe.
@@TheWaveGoodbye-Musiceven poor people wanted to look good. Nowadays, working people have a hundred outfits from Shein and other crap outlets, back then they have 1 or 2 very good quality outfits to wear when not at work. That would absolutely include a hat! Even farmers wore hats. Nice hats? No, but still hats.
I'd guess it's due to classes being a bigger thing but honestly it's probably also convenience/comfort. Now you can throw on really well made, comfy clothing that's cheap and simple. There's no need for all this hoopla and everyone agrees so it's become the norm to wear basic clothing. I think you'd get the piss taken out of you for dressing fancy but you'd look unique these days at least.
Well, I don't hear hundreds of MP's shouting at each other like we do today
Hear, hear...
@@REAL2222ful or as it is currently, "errruuuyaaaheyyyyy"
You do realise it was still in this era they shouted a lot. They're the ones who invented that style of talking and "hear hear" blind by nostalgia as always people are. We have clips from thatcher times
Definition of “dapper as fuck”
Honestly we should have kept this as the house of commons are becoming more like a class room every year
It's the speakers job to keep order in the house IMHO we should have a few hefty types acting as bailiffs to help keep order.
@@RGeorgeDorethe serjeant at arms, their deputy and doormen are responsible for physical order, should the speaker require it
Thats the best thing Ive ever seen. I'd vote for anyone who promised to bring this back.
Love that rule. Gives us some intrigue and class. Who cares if it’s antiquated, that’s how we like it.
😂class? That is exactly what has decimated the British NHS, introduced food banks as a necessity and seeks to blame immigrants and the under and unemployed for their greed and corruption.
It might be the fact that its an antiquated rule that gives it its class. Something modern society has forgotten
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A variation of this rule persists in Australia. MPs cover their heads with paper to raise a point of order. 😂
Without the hat, all they're really left with is their snake oil suits
I feel bad for all the snakes that were killed to get all the oil needed for those suits. R.I.P snakes, you didn't deserve that cruel treatment.
Can confirm. Washington, DC native.
BRING IT BACK ! We want OLD BRITAIN BACK ! 🇬🇧
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What’s Britain?? I thought it was called West Pakistan...
It’s the absolutely smooth way he sits down too
Very nonchalant and rather classy way of sitting! 😂
I had to look it up. Figured some of you might be amused by some further reading.
From "Some Traditions and Customs of the House House of Commons Information Office Factsheet G7 8" p7-8 (including the quote from the end of the clip):
Alfred Kinnear MP, in 1900, summed up the hat-wearing rules as follows:-
"At all times remove your hat on entering the House, and put it on upon taking your
seat; and remove it again on rising for whatever purpose. If the MP asks a question
he will stand, and with his hat off; and he may receive the answer of the Minister
seated and with his hat on. If on a division he should have to challenge the ruling
of the chair, he will sit and put his hat on. If he wishes to address the Speaker on
a point of order not connected with a division, he will do so standing with his hat
off. When he leaves the House to participate in a division he will take his hat off,
but will vote with it on. If the Queen sends a message to be read from the chair,
the Member will uncover. In short, how to take his seat, how to behave at prayers,
and what to do with his hat, form between them the ABC of the parliamentary
scholar."
To increase their appearance during debates and to be seen more easily, a Member wishing to
raise a point of order during a division was, until 1998, required to speak with his hat on.
Collapsible top hats were kept for the purpose. This requirement was abolished following
recommendations from the Modernisation Select Committee, which stated:
“At present, if a Member seeks to raise a point of order during a division, he or she must
speak "seated and covered". In practice this means that an opera hat which is kept at
each end of the Chamber has to be produced and passed to the Member concerned. This
inevitably takes some time, during which the Member frequently seeks to use some other
form of covering such as an Order Paper. This particular practice has almost certainly
brought the House into greater ridicule than almost any other, particularly since the
advent of television. We do not believe that it can be allowed to continue.”
I think I cut that excerpt off before maybe the most interesting paragraph, at least the latter half of it:
The Committee also recommended that Members raising such a point of order should do so by
standing in the normal way but from a position on the second bench as close to the Chair as possible, so they could be heard by both the Speaker and the Official Report. Male MPs may still not address the House whilst wearing a hat: women Members are exempt from this rule, though the different rules in society generally relating to female hat-wearing may well have caused a few problems when women first sat in the House in the 1920s.
Very interesting! Thanks for the context. The modernisation of things like this is good. Imagine if we were like America and the hat rule was written by some guys 200 years ago and couldn't be realistically changed.
"Particularly since the advent of television"
"The peasants can see us and ridicule us for all the stupid shit we do to feel important and Pike a nobleman"
oooh ok this explains why I remembed seeing people covering their head with a sheet of paper way back in the mid nineties.
@@buzz1ebee in both countries, the rules of the lower house are controlled by coddes of conduct made by the chambers and easily modifiable. That is why the hoise of representatives changed their code of conduct a few months ago to be more similar to the house of commons
Bro was SO SMOOTH with it
I think we are now in a position to look back with the benefit of a quarter century's hindsight and say decisively that eliminating the hat requirement has not improved the conduct of Parliament's business.
The Talking Hat needs a return with this set of rules:
1) The MP with the Hat can only speak when wearing this hat during Hat Time (Rules for this to be figured out by the House of Commens)
2) The Hat can only be passed to another MP by handing to the next MP after walking over to the next MP's location (Formal ceremonial procedure here?)
3) Appoint a Keeper of the Talking Hat to care for this hat
Once he dons the hat he sits on the bench nonchalantly, chatting like he’s in the park on a lovely summers day 😅
Omg, how he grabs the hat, flicks it open and sits with such pride. This is peak Rizz.
This needs to come back. Dude was so dapper
I wonder if it ever spread head lice around Parliament.
There certainly are lice in Parliament
One can only hope.
@@yookeemookee The Liberal Democrats used to lick it clean so that they could say they were vital to UK politics.
If your comment had been about the hat and Congress, my fellow Americans would have immediately begun arguing about whether the lice were Republican or Democrat.
@@yookeemookee ahahahahahah great joke dude.
I love how this actually worked, people would listen to whoever had the hat instead of constant interruptions
Politicians help to show us all that adults are still just grown children
Did it work? Wouldn't everyone come with the minimal legal definition of a hat?
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easy to follow the simple as long as its enforced. its like the talking ball. dont have the ball, dont talk. this isnt a bad idea at all, often we get rid of laws for stupidty that we dont question why they there. this wasnt a bad law, just an odd way of doing it.
I do find it kind of cute, not going to lie.
@@MaestroAlvis Was most likely a requirement to have that specific hat. You likely weren't allowed to bring one in.
@@MaestroAlvis Yes I'm thinking I would just wear a 4 leaf clover as a hat 🙉
“I never saw so many shocking bad hats in my life.”
-Arthur Wellesley, upon entering the House of Commons
I don't know who Arthur Wellesley is, but I read Arthur Weasley and that made all the difference
@@ferzmat2313 Oh please, he’d think a propeller beanie was the most amazing thing ever.
Yes, but he's seen Cornelius Fudge's floppy hat every day for years, and if he still thought the House of Commons had some bad hats, think of how terrible those hats would have to be.@@timesnewlogan2032
@@ferzmat2313 Field Marshal Sir Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington
He was Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and defeated Napoleon at Waterloo (with Prussian assistance)
“…Into greater ridicule”
Surely you must mean greater swagger because that MP casually expands the top hat and reclines onto the settee. What a dandy.
Bring back the drip. Embrace tradition
This is like the "talking stick" where whoever has the stick can speak. Now it's just a bloody free for all and tons of "Orduuur ordddhurr...or....Ordduuurhh!!"
They have a stick too, but it's just for knocking on this door after they shut it in the guys face😅
Bring back the hats. Look at the skills on that throw, it's artful.
yeah but he needs work on his catching. he catched like a nerd letting it hit his chest
Thats actually a brilliant way of controlling the floor. They should have never gotten rid of it. What a bad decision.
The way he nonchalantly slumped into the chadest pose ever leads me to believe this madlad does this shit quite often
LoL!
Not just a hat, that's a pop up topper. It squashes down to a frisbee.
I've one of those in the loft. The mechanism is really slick, but the hat now looks like a tramp wore it for a couple of decades. For some reason I can't bring myself to chuck it out.
Absolute Chad. Bonkers smooth performance. Bring this rule back, now!
Man total sense tbh. You can see who is speaking quickly and it's creates a respect point to wait your turn.
American debates havee become a far worse laughing stock.
This dude’s accent makes the hat. Makes me think: “Of course he’d have that hat on, just listen to his accent.”
These types of rules are the ones that must be kept forever for tradition sake, it looks awesome, even 100 years later it would still look awesome, it’s like “tell me it’s British without telling me it’s British”
And now, without the hat, it is like a chaos with all the people talking/screaming/booing through eachother. This is more orderly...
How is this more orderly?
You do realize that you can bring your own hat!
It's not a speaker stick that must be passed aroud and is unique
@@eliahabib5111, because it is more orderly. Do you hear people screaming in the background for their turn? And apart from that, this tactic is also being used on primary schools so the children know who is talking and when to shut their mouths. Last point: if you would really think that people will bring their own hats to get their turn, aren't you just very childish (this of course in the bad and negative way) yourself?
@@Bruce954 are you aware that the hat rule originally referred to the member own hat?
Only when hats got out of fation a shared hat was made available.
The reason the rule was removed was because people where not wearing hats as part of fation and to comply with the rule they were using hats that are flexible/can be flattened. Which is undignified and once session are televised that could become embarassing for parlament. Hence the rule was removed.
That rule was never intended to maintain order. It was used to make clear who wanted to raise an objection is specific cases, because the rest of the rule required all other sitted mp to remove their hat. It was a visual clue, nothing else.
@@Bruce954in fairness you don't hear shouting because the room is far from full. If this was PMQs then you most certainly would hear shouting. That's nothing new.
The shouting has always been a feature of the house of commons. It was sword play they were worried about in the past. This is why the opposition benches and the government benches are separated by two sword lengths.
Things have calmed down a bit since then.
That was the smoothest thing I’ve ever seen
Bring this back it’s unique. I don’t understand the ridicule. Why would you want your legislature to be completely soulless?
They should bring this back. It’s hilarious.
This tradition must be kept! It's absolutely boss!
“Point of order madam speaker”
I don’t care what that guy was going to say, he has my full attention.
Bring this rule back
This still happens in Australia - kind of. During a division, an MP must put a piece of paper over their head, instead of the hat.
That's disappointing. I was hoping you'd use a hat with all corks hanging off it, or a koala bear or something.
i find this so fantastic. they should reintroduce it
Old traditions somehow make the situation more interesting than it normally would be..
This is fantastic! I wouldn't mind them bringing it back. It would make televised parliament a tad more interesting to watch.
That first part was so smooth though lmao. The throw, the catch, the flip, and the sit down
The thank you as well.
While it is indeed whimsical, I say bring this practice back for this exact reason
Okay, but he looked dapper as hell doing that.
People shouldn't be so quick to judge and wish to eradicate things like this. Old traditions might look a little silly, but there is almost always a good reason for why they were created in the first place.
Let’s bring back hanging, polio and sending kids up chimneys shall we FFS.
Especially since Parliament's pretty much a kindergarten classroom ever since they got rid of the hat.
No we do need to eradicate the boarding school culture that exists in politics and the house of commons. Their every day behaviour in parliament is disgusting. It's not a playground. It's not a joke. They're in a position of immense privilege and they act like they're still at school.
@@bluebellbeatnik4945 it's by design. That way they'll keep you talking about their shouting matches and not about the decisions they take and the votes they produce on important issues.
@@josecipriano3048 It's not either/or, we can talk about both. There is no way it's by design. It's just public school bs.
I’d say bring it back, would be fun to watch them tossing a hat back and forth
Yeah a random hat brought ridicule on the house, it had nothing to do with the politicians we put in there, it was all the hat, 🤦♂️
10/10 the hat stays _forever_
I actually like these old traditions.
Bring it back!!! The removal of the hat was clearly the start of the road to where we are in 2023.
I hate when people "update" and "modernize" and "fix" things that are not broken. Embrace your traditions, be proud of them. There is nothing wrong with having fun.
Tradition is just peer pressure from dead people.
I agree.
fucking burn it to the ground lmao
Exactly. There was one person that was speaking that was not worried about getting cut off and could go all the way down their train of thought. Good idea, and fun!
Yeah that's very British, it's pretty cool. It would be like us here in SC removing the ceremonial sword from our State Senate sessions (it has to be placed and removed to open and close the day) when electric lights became a thing they updated it so that when the sword is put in it's place two big globe lights illuminate at the top of the podium
Forget the hat. I couldn't sit like that and have a honest conversation.
Love these rules. Eccentricity and tradition makes one proud to be English.
And me proud to be Scottish.
No.
Tradition is holding this country back
All the nonsensical vestigial claptrap makes me cringe at a Briton.
Lots of eccentricity and traditional things make me proud to be English, this doesn’t though. It’s our legislator and it’s about as crazy looking here as it is actually ridiculous