Kristin, you practically said it: the passport is a system of imprisonment. Plumia is a good idea, but I don’t think it will be allowed to work. We will see. Thanks for the info.
The passport is a system of protection. It allows democratic nations to filter individuals who don't share the same values and could endanger the local population. And before someone mentions race, it's not about that, it's about culture. Democracy needs constant protection against intolerant voices, and although it might sound paradoxical, tolerance requires not giving intolerance a voice, otherwise intolerant groups will crush a tolerant society, as has happened so many times in history. It's happening right now in countries like Sweden and France. Narco gangs from foreign countries have created literal "no-go" neighbourhoods, women are being r4ped, the police can't act because they're afraid of being called racists, and locals don't feel safe anymore. Result: when the left-wing refuses to hear its citizens, rejects acknowledging the hard truth and doesn't act as it should, the right-wing emerges in an extreme version promising to fix that problem. And I say this as a liberal.
Don’t underestimate the impact of the continuing tanking of the global birth rate- countries will be *competing* to attract skilled workers, creatives and immigrants.
Sovereign debt and expensive social systems has countries doing crazy things right now. Thanks to Obama, US now taxes citizens on revenue even when they are not resident in the U.S. He was afraid of everyone retiring out of border if they raised capital gains tax, and now they are talking about taxing assets, and California is already taxing 'leaving'.
Will Plumia have the ability to retrieve one of its 'citizens' when the citizen is taken hostage? Did Australia send a warship up the Thames to save Assange?
I have a US passport so I can get to most of the countries I want to visit easily. My girlfriend has a Philippines Passport that is very weak outside of SE Asia. An example is she cannot get a visa to visit the US because she does not own property or even a car. It is very much a class system at this point so unless you are financially well off as a Philippines citizen you are discriminated against.
Yes it’s such a shame that good people who just want to travel have so many barriers to overcome. Hopefully this Border Pass can give people more opportunities to travel easier
@@ekoydakoykoy This is based on consulting with a travel agent that would have benefited from booking the trip. I’m sure there are exceptions to this and it seems you may be one of the lucky ones
@@papadougpapadougsadventures no im not lucky i just applied and i dont listen to any travel agent telling me you wont get a visa because of this and that only the embassy will tell me, though it would cost money but travel is costly to begin with
@@ekoydakoykoy Also it looks like you have a history of visiting other countries and of course returning. I do believe it makes a difference that you are male.
While I love the idea, there is no way rich countries will make it easy for people from developing countries to get such a visa. Most Americans don't meet the criteria I had to meet to gain admission so something like this is likely to have the same barriers. There is just too high of an incentive for people from poor countries to immigrate to rich countries. Source: I am one of them!
Just wait till ASI comes online!. It will make earth just One Country. No Govt, no borders, no money, just you and ASI. It will bring to where you need to go. Need, not want. What you want, you may not qualify. ASI will control humanity!. There is no escaping.... 3 years to 5 years from now.
I can definitely see certain countries not wanting to participate. But it will be interesting to see how many unilateral agreements they are able to negotiate with countries to join the Nomad Border Pass. I’m looking forward to following these developments.
Rich countries understand people from developing countries with a good income don’t need rich countries. If you come from a developing country, but have a business or income that is on par with a rich country then, why would you be a risk when you can go anywhere and you have the mobility and the finances to travel? I’m a Canadian who lives in Colombia but know many Colombians with a lot of money and they can go pretty much where they want and get a visa for the US or any other country because they have the means to travel and won’t be dependent on another country. I’m telling my friends in Colombia with access starlink mini and a good business model and knowing English you can go where you want that’s why this worldwide digital Nomad type passport could work.
The nomad border pass seems like a good first step. I don't see why attractive countries that control their borders will be convinced to accept a passport that isn't backed by another country though.
@@TravelingwithKristinThey definitely need a form of quality assurance to assure nations that the person holding this digital passport actually fit certain criteria to make the digital passport holders appealing for wealthy nations to take in. Perhaps if someone got a bunch of education, certifications, or great job experience with high-earnings potential, along with basic background check, then this could be appealing to wealthy nations, like Singapore. They should also make it easier for business owners with a decent bit of revenue or potentially they invest in the digital passport company a certain amount like you would for getting citizenship by investment somewhere, then this way you have a digital passport that would have a way to make money (from business owners and investors) yet guarantee great quality humans hold these passports and not lame or bad people (the hardest part of offering a digital passport that they'll have to overcome). I am not so sure they should offer this to refugees or people seeking asylum unless they fit the other criteria I mentioned, since it'll already be so hard to do quality assurance to convince wealthy nations to accept the digital passport.
I’ve actually been thinking this for awhile like why do we need to be separated like this, wish it was easier to move around and meet other types of people and places how awesome! Can’t wait to learn more! Thanks for posting!
Yes hopefully this will make it easier for regular people to travel more! I feel bad for my friends from Kenya, Vietnam, and any country where they can’t travel freely and have to wait months for a tourist visa sometimes.
Sounds almost like a World Economic Forum idea. "Forget governments, let's still restrict people but through companies!". Almost like Clauss Schwabb made that internet country. Horrible.
That’s the first thought… as deconstruction undermines a country, the remote workers just go somewhere else until it collapses. Then it’ll be less crowded upon return.
The main difference and discrimination is between rich and poor, regardless of the nation they belong to. Poor and rich people have more in common with poor and rich people from another country than with the citizens from their own country who are at a different wealth level
Nomad Border Pass is a great idea. Unfortunately the most important information is missing on the landing page .. namely which 10+ countries are/will be covered by the Nomad Border Pass
@@stevecochrane9531 When the narrator spends 30 minutes telling you why this is great without actually telling you what it does, *today*, then it's just marketing spin.
There’s no way they could let that list of 10 out now. It’s a very politically charged topic and if one country saw a rival on the list they won’t join. Countries that have already or plan to probably have certain limits like we stay on unless you let Israel on or we stay in unless you let the USA on etc. there would be a lot of special care about how and what info is released
As a South African I need to earn 1 million a year to qualify, that's near impossible. You didn't discuss the fact that there are many hoops to jump through before you even qualify to apply.
As an American, i agree with your view. You cannot get to this by labor, or employment… so it is exclusively reserved for people getting money from other people working to support them traveling… but why not just live on a sailboat?
@mahfuzulhasan3108 Sore...if you can afford it. Google Plumia - to get this pass, you'll have to earn a minimum of US$50,000/year. I'll do the math for you - that's a minimum of over US$4,150/month. I'm a US citizen with a US passport, living in a lower-cost country. I live OK, but I have no rights here. I'm here legally, but I'm just a legal alien. I make well less than HALF of that. If you can manage US$4,166+ per month, good on ya...but if you could do that, you probably wouldn't need this.
Thanks Kristin for this informative and helpful video. I think it’s safe to say that citizens of the 5 Eye countries are the most affected by intrusive surveillance. Laws are becoming more draconian, the cost of living is out of reach for the average citizen. Moreover, privacy is becoming increasingly scarce. All the more reason to live outside the 5 eye countries.
This is fascinating...and encouraging for younger generations. We oldies loved to travel but had home bases throughout our lives..mainly because of work/family structures. Half of me loves the freedom offered; part of me fears a disconnect of close, human interaction. I won't see it...but my caution re:human connection remains. Great video!
I actually was watching a geography related RUclips channel that was trying to determine how many countries there are and the case of unofficial countries came up. One of the ones listed was a digital country, which got me thinking, about starting one of my own and what that would take? This is fascinating and very appealing.
I think that’s the recipe they’re cooking, and this is just an ingredient. If the country you are in is falling apart from bad policy implemented by world government, just move to a more stable country for a while… because you have special privilege of the money class.
Wow! Yours is one of the most professional and informative videos on any subject I've seen. On top of that, the depth of how you contextualized the topic of this video has expanded my horizon of what is possible to pursue in this strange reality we find ourselves in. Subscribed! Thank you.
This sounds like an excellent choice for full-time sailors (original digital nomads) with regular/guaranteed incomes. This may be a workaround for the Schengen Zone. One question that comes to mind is where do you seek assistance when needed, as in an Embassy?
Taxes, taxes, taxes. The U.S. has reduced citizens to cash cows. This is why I’m preparing to return abroad. Can’t escape the Feds, but I can escape state and local taxes.
As always, thank you for this video Kristin. These people are smart and thinking like that gets people to think outside the box, so this could bring a whole other thing to life. Very interested to see what follows as digital is the future and many countries are starting to see that. BTW still looking adorable, have a great week Kristin, Luke.
I'm a Montréal baby-boomer. Most boomers I know are still free-spirits and really don't fit in the 'evil boomers who get blamed for everything' box that's happening right now. At any rate, I agree with this: "These people are smart and thinking like that gets people to think outside the box, so this could bring a whole other thing to life. Very interested to see what follows as digital is the future and many countries are starting to see that.". It's very exciting.
I sympathize with your idealism about travel but unfortunately the trend is if anything going the other way, to more strict control of movement. In short: countries love free spending tourists but hate those who stay more than 3-6 months even if this aversion acts against their economic self interest. But I suppose we could conceivably see something like this for those in the global 0.1 %, the richest one thousandth of the global population.
Potentially They are leveraging another class of citizen rights, based on financial status… which will have the vaccine and other requirements as attachments for maintaining your status. It’s like baiting people into this great thing, hoping they are committed enough to comply with insanity because they already spent the money, and no refunds will be allowed. But if you have the money and desire, what would it matter to you?
Plumia criteria for the border pass says 'Minimum annual income of 50000$' which i think is on the higher side, also, isn't it still a restrictive condition to get a pass since people belongs to the weak passport nations mostly would not earn 50k $ annualy to meet the criteria. Mostly countries as of now already asking for atleast 2 to 3 times the average income of their home country to be eligible for nomads visas. besides some sort of integratio of certain class of countries together for easy access (e.g multiple entry), how else is Plumia is different?
As a US citizen I personally don’t have a need for any of this at the moment, but if it can work for others with weaker passports I’m all for it. That said, with their long term goal of being able to issue passports through an online country, I really don’t see that happening. There are international laws and criteria regarding what can and cannot be considered a state (country) and under the current system an internet state is far from it, so I don’t foresee many countries accepting these passports. You can look at the nation of “sealand” who does issue passports to citizens, but it isn’t recognized anywhere because they are not an actual state.
Good insights, Maddie. I hope that this solution will help more people worldwide. Creating a legitimate passport will be challenging, but if anyone can do it, the team at SafetyWing can :)
Thumbs up for the Principality of Sealand mention! The history of Sealand gives plenty of background as to why micronations are rarely tolerated or indulged. And for those who believe in the nobility of the concept, there is always someone who will come along and ruin it for them, like the absurd plan to operate an offshore micronation on a cruise ship off the coast of Panama, described amusingly in "The disastrous voyage of Satoshi, the world’s first cryptocurrency cruise ship".
Good Information Kristin!! I have to ponder on these ideas before I put my foot in my mouth. But ultimately, I agree the passport system has made traveling restrictive and it shouldn't be like that.
Feeling very fortunate - I’ve got multiple citizenships that give me above average travel mobility across the world. Excited to hear about the Nomad Border Pass. As a nation, I’m pretty sure Estonia went digital around a decade ago - you could get (and still can) become an online resident with digital access to Estonian Government services …at least for business and entrepreneurial services.
Very interesting!!! WOW! What a great piece of news! I have been amazed in the past few years how new technologies have been able to open up borders to a whole different level. I was actually saying recently how it has become easier now to be less "rooted" to a country from an administrative stand point and that only nationality (and fiscality) is still connecting us to a country (for those fortunate enough to hold a passport from a developed country). Thank you very much for this good video!
So the actual Plumia passport is 8 years away (assuming everything goes as planned). I have so many questions and quite a few doubts. I just don't see Canada and the US or the EU openly allowing people from the global south to migrate north. The EU is even making Americans get visas starting next year.
Bro you can just get in a dingy boat and if you come from south, the EU will throw housing and pocket money at you. It's going on for nearly 10 years now....
@@valentinepowell2307 They aren't saying they are not allowed in. Telling them they have to get a visa gives the border security time to make sure the applicant is a safe person to be in their country. Seems smart to me.
I’m DEFINITELY JOINING THEIR “COUNTRY”. It’s An Absolutely BRILLIANT IDEA/Project. WOW! How VISIONARY!!!💙 Thank You For Sharing, Kristin.💗 Welcome, Fellow Country-Person.😍
This concept looks rather interesting! I will be curious to hear more about this as I think it would be really cool to see this! I do expect there to be a lot of challenges with getting many countries on board due to a lot of cultural and societal differences.
Thank you so much for posting this...we all knew it was coming no matter which side of the fence...I need to understand more about this as the concept is great but it 10 countries doesnt sound like enough to me hopefully more will be added...like do i still keep my original passport for travel to countries that arent on the list? Need to go and research Thank you again :)
“makes it a lot easier to control the movement of people” - funny turn of phrase, as if people’s movement NEED to be controlled as opposed to people having the freedom to, or indeed the right to move around the planet they are born onto.
I also think you're brilliant! Okay, the subject handling and thoughtfulness is there, but you are the epitome of business and discipline; I love that! ❤
Plumia sounds to me like an easy way to get easy money from people who have no clue about traveling and the ways of how countries manage to deal with foreign citizens. This is nothing else but a trial to become visa agent for as much people as possible, it has nothing to do with any kind of real citizenship. I cannot imagine that any country would allow citizens from a fantasy world to come in, even if you'll call yourself something like that everybody still has to have citizenship from a real country. And finally only this real citizenship determines whether you are allowed to come in or stay away, and under which conditions you are allowed to come. Whether you do your visa applications yourself or let it handle by an agent or any fantasy service in the internet, doesn't matter. No country or club of countries like the Schengen countries would give up their right to allow or refuse passage.
I Love the Idea of a Nomad Border Pass because it seems like you can go through all the paper work in one place and have access to many places to at least see if you like those places, before going through all the paper work of becoming a semi citizen. Thank you for your Time and info, it sounds promising. I heard Thailand has already started a Visa program.
Very interesting and exciting times. I do think this will be the way society evolves, but also a more localised community focus where digital nomads are able to better integrate into the local communities, contribute to the infrastructure they're using and potentially be given property and voting rights without having to become nationalised. We'll have to wait and see what the future holds!
I'm about 60% of the way through this video. I had to pause it so that I could make the following comment, "Kristin, you are the best. I love your presentation style and informative approach. Thank you for making DN content that has value!"
Thank you so much for your wonderful feedback! I'm thrilled to hear that you're enjoying the video and finding the content valuable. Your support means a lot! 😊🌟
My sister and I were speaking of being “Planetary Citizens” back in the ‘70s. I hope this idea comes to fruition some day. If the capitalist in liberal democracies desire it, the bureaucrats will follow.
Have you considered partnering up with Amelia and JP (and their slow traveling channel)? They don't focus on digital nomad and yet they really get down into expenses, accommodations, healthcare, and things to do in countries they visit? Thanks for this video, Ken Bellingham, WA USA
Hi there, yes I know them! We have worked together with International Living before. I talk about digital nomad, cost-of-living, and living abroad topics.
@@TravelingwithKristin hi. Yes you do but they don’t really get into digital nomad stuff much. I think they should refer to you for what you report on.
Hey Kristin it's something I'm talking about almost my whole life. But you didn't mention how are these entities able to do this ? What are the mechanisms involved ?
Consular services may be a problem if you need assistance. Will Plumia have embassies and consulates? Will Plumia host refugees? Right now Plumia is a common visa broker. Which airline will sell you a ticket if you have a Plumia Passport.
Glad to see you posting about this as I've never heard of it until now, but wondering how a private company is going to pull off this much needed open passport policy....
@@TravelingwithKristin We'd spoke a while back via email but a lot has changed since then so what do you know about moving to Germany now if you're of German ancestry? Should we discuss in email again? Thx
When ir comes to humans moving around it has and will be a never ending process. I foresee a future where Africa will receive millions of people from everywhere.
I love the idea! As an American I’d love to see 90+ day visas allowed per separate country in the EU not the whole of the EU. So many countries keep joining and now the option to stay and travel Europe long term seems so limited. I’d love to be able to move around the EU indefinitely! …. The whole world frankly but one step at a time! I’d even be open to additional background checks etc for this internet country passport if it allowed more freedom to travel!
Have you taken a look at the world service authority? With the world citizen passport? They've been around for decades. And occasionally accepted on a case by case basis. That should really be encouraged and petitioned for more governments to accept.
What are you thoughts on 6G internet? when it comes out in the next upcoming couple of years. When we talk not just about web browsing also cloud computing
I think it's an interesting concept and long overdue. In addition to digital nomads, many of us retirees have consistent income but few ties to our home country and could live anywhere. And not only Americans, but Canadians, Australians and retirees from other countries too. It's a growing market that presents a huge opportunity for companies to design new products and services to meet specific needs - from travel/medical insurance to borderless passports, accommodations and more.
Finally, someone else noticed it too... If I can support myself and respect the laws (and people... and environment) of whatever place I go and stay, why should I be limited by any border? I can understand some arguments in case you want to vote in that place and have a saying in its future. But if you are a nomad/passive human respectfully living in a place for as long as it suits you, why should you be limited by borders?
How do I feel about the concept of nation states? The concept of democracy would be impossible without them. And the concept of democracy is linked to culture. Like it or not but as humans we find it easier to establish rapport with people from our own culture than cultures that are dissimilar. Similar physical features and native language also play a big role in this aspect. That being said digital nomadism might end up being a culture and a set of common values which in turn can lead to tribes organizing themselves into something new without neccesarily even needing a nation state. One thing I wonder about is how Plumia will scan visa applicants? Their brand will suffer if it turns out their services are used by criminals and terrorists.
Great insights! Thank you for sharing. Modern-day society isn't possible without the organization and collaboration of people on a mass scale, but we should also keep improving these systems. I'm sure they will also have high standards for who can apply for the pass (and future passport).
@@TravelingwithKristin Private security firms can probably do a decent job as far as background checks go. But they don’t work for free so that’s an additional cost to slap on top of immigration lawyers etc.
Wow! Thanks for the video! Yes I am currently on Social Security Disability which will turned into Social Security Retirement at my full retirement age and my wife is just 3 years behind me. We currently live in the U.S., but do own real estate in Eastern Europe, but would like to do some traveling before my polyneuropathy gets too bad and I am forced to stop. So, sounds exciting to me and I will bring it up to her soon. Thanks again! 😊
Throughout history, there have always been restrictions on travel. For example, in the Middle Ages, travel was often restricted by religious and political authorities. In the 19th century, travel was restricted by passport controls and immigration laws. It was not until the mid-20th century that the ability to travel freely began to increase.
Sounds very interesting. I'm curious: what will the taxes be, how quickly will it be recognized by current countries, how will it be accessible to the poor. There's a mountain range of questions.
I don't see the UN recognizing an internet digital country ever and I definitely don't see the US ever recognizing such a thing so probably not happening. Folks need to be careful with this. Without recognition from your home country at least, you don't get to legally escape taxes. Folks need to be careful.
Nomad Border Pass is a great idea. Value of this passport will depend upon the participating countries. In the end it will compete with the digital residency of Palau .. and "simple" to get residencies (e.g. Paraguay, Nicaragua, Georgia, ..).
As a dual passport holder, I'm not sure I need a 3rd. They're a blessing and a curse, depending on the situation! Thanks for sharing this.... I'm going to follow along and see how it goes!
This is interesting I'm just now learning about all this. As a US citizen who was lucky enough to travel in my youth from family employment, this was sadly never explained to me. Recently trying to get my Persian friend to visit has been a struggle due to old political issues and visa restrictions.
There are two big issues for Plumia to overcome. The first is that countries would seemingly have to break their own entry policies in order accommodate Plumia. If a country currently does not admit people with certain passports, why would it accept people with those passports just because they pay for a visa through Plumia? Second, the Plumia visa would only be for 90 days which is the same length as a typical tourist visa in most countries, so what value or advantage is that providing to the Plumia visa holder for their $500?
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Which bank or currency would you be able to use?
Kristin, you practically said it: the passport is a system of imprisonment. Plumia is a good idea, but I don’t think it will be allowed to work. We will see. Thanks for the info.
Thanks for weighing, in Terry. It will definitely be interesting to see what happens...
The passport is a system of protection. It allows democratic nations to filter individuals who don't share the same values and could endanger the local population. And before someone mentions race, it's not about that, it's about culture. Democracy needs constant protection against intolerant voices, and although it might sound paradoxical, tolerance requires not giving intolerance a voice, otherwise intolerant groups will crush a tolerant society, as has happened so many times in history. It's happening right now in countries like Sweden and France. Narco gangs from foreign countries have created literal "no-go" neighbourhoods, women are being r4ped, the police can't act because they're afraid of being called racists, and locals don't feel safe anymore. Result: when the left-wing refuses to hear its citizens, rejects acknowledging the hard truth and doesn't act as it should, the right-wing emerges in an extreme version promising to fix that problem. And I say this as a liberal.
Don’t underestimate the impact of the continuing tanking of the global birth rate- countries will be *competing* to attract skilled workers, creatives and immigrants.
Sovereign debt and expensive social systems has countries doing crazy things right now. Thanks to Obama, US now taxes citizens on revenue even when they are not resident in the U.S. He was afraid of everyone retiring out of border if they raised capital gains tax, and now they are talking about taxing assets, and California is already taxing 'leaving'.
Will Plumia have the ability to retrieve one of its 'citizens' when the citizen is taken hostage? Did Australia send a warship up the Thames to save Assange?
I have a US passport so I can get to most of the countries I want to visit easily. My girlfriend has a Philippines Passport that is very weak outside of SE Asia. An example is she cannot get a visa to visit the US because she does not own property or even a car. It is very much a class system at this point so unless you are financially well off as a Philippines citizen you are discriminated against.
Yes it’s such a shame that good people who just want to travel have so many barriers to overcome. Hopefully this Border Pass can give people more opportunities to travel easier
Not true at all, I have US visa and i do not even have any car or property to my name.
@@ekoydakoykoy This is based on consulting with a travel agent that would have benefited from booking the trip. I’m sure there are exceptions to this and it seems you may be one of the lucky ones
@@papadougpapadougsadventures no im not lucky i just applied and i dont listen to any travel agent telling me you wont get a visa because of this and that only the embassy will tell me, though it would cost money but travel is costly to begin with
@@ekoydakoykoy Also it looks like you have a history of visiting other countries and of course returning. I do believe it makes a difference that you are male.
While I love the idea, there is no way rich countries will make it easy for people from developing countries to get such a visa. Most Americans don't meet the criteria I had to meet to gain admission so something like this is likely to have the same barriers. There is just too high of an incentive for people from poor countries to immigrate to rich countries. Source: I am one of them!
With open borders in the USA who needs a passport?
Just wait till ASI comes online!. It will make earth just One Country. No Govt, no borders, no money, just you and ASI. It will bring to where you need to go. Need, not want. What you want, you may not qualify. ASI will control humanity!. There is no escaping.... 3 years to 5 years from now.
I can definitely see certain countries not wanting to participate. But it will be interesting to see how many unilateral agreements they are able to negotiate with countries to join the Nomad Border Pass. I’m looking forward to following these developments.
So true. Every word.
Rich countries understand people from developing countries with a good income don’t need rich countries. If you come from a developing country, but have a business or income that is on par with a rich country then, why would you be a risk when you can go anywhere and you have the mobility and the finances to travel? I’m a Canadian who lives in Colombia but know many Colombians with a lot of money and they can go pretty much where they want and get a visa for the US or any other country because they have the means to travel and won’t be dependent on another country. I’m telling my friends in Colombia with access starlink mini and a good business model and knowing English you can go where you want that’s why this worldwide digital Nomad type passport could work.
The nomad border pass seems like a good first step.
I don't see why attractive countries that control their borders will be convinced to accept a passport that isn't backed by another country though.
Time will tell how it works out! They still have 8 years on their timeline to work out the details :)
The u.s. don't count. They have open borders 😂
Exactly. I can easily envision the US or even the EU shutting this down before it gets off the ground.
@@TravelingwithKristinThey definitely need a form of quality assurance to assure nations that the person holding this digital passport actually fit certain criteria to make the digital passport holders appealing for wealthy nations to take in.
Perhaps if someone got a bunch of education, certifications, or great job experience with high-earnings potential, along with basic background check, then this could be appealing to wealthy nations, like Singapore.
They should also make it easier for business owners with a decent bit of revenue or potentially they invest in the digital passport company a certain amount like you would for getting citizenship by investment somewhere, then this way you have a digital passport that would have a way to make money (from business owners and investors) yet guarantee great quality humans hold these passports and not lame or bad people (the hardest part of offering a digital passport that they'll have to overcome).
I am not so sure they should offer this to refugees or people seeking asylum unless they fit the other criteria I mentioned, since it'll already be so hard to do quality assurance to convince wealthy nations to accept the digital passport.
and hows that going to help you when the Digital ID and CBDC going to take over?
I’ve actually been thinking this for awhile like why do we need to be separated like this, wish it was easier to move around and meet other types of people and places how awesome! Can’t wait to learn more! Thanks for posting!
Yes hopefully this will make it easier for regular people to travel more! I feel bad for my friends from Kenya, Vietnam, and any country where they can’t travel freely and have to wait months for a tourist visa sometimes.
Sounds almost like a World Economic Forum idea. "Forget governments, let's still restrict people but through companies!". Almost like Clauss Schwabb made that internet country. Horrible.
That’s the first thought… as deconstruction undermines a country, the remote workers just go somewhere else until it collapses. Then it’ll be less crowded upon return.
The main difference and discrimination is between rich and poor, regardless of the nation they belong to. Poor and rich people have more in common with poor and rich people from another country than with the citizens from their own country who are at a different wealth level
Nomad Border Pass is a great idea. Unfortunately the most important information is missing on the landing page .. namely which 10+ countries are/will be covered by the Nomad Border Pass
I find it odd that on their website, they write that if we represent a government we can contact them. Very sketchy...
@@stevecochrane9531 When the narrator spends 30 minutes telling you why this is great without actually telling you what it does, *today*, then it's just marketing spin.
There’s no way they could let that list of 10 out now. It’s a very politically charged topic and if one country saw a rival on the list they won’t join. Countries that have already or plan to probably have certain limits like we stay on unless you let Israel on or we stay in unless you let the USA on etc. there would be a lot of special care about how and what info is released
As a South African I need to earn 1 million a year to qualify, that's near impossible. You didn't discuss the fact that there are many hoops to jump through before you even qualify to apply.
As an American, i agree with your view. You cannot get to this by labor, or employment… so it is exclusively reserved for people getting money from other people working to support them traveling… but why not just live on a sailboat?
The pain of having a weak passport is endless
This Plumia thing will be a game changer for Us
@mahfuzulhasan3108 Sore...if you can afford it. Google Plumia - to get this pass, you'll have to earn a minimum of US$50,000/year. I'll do the math for you - that's a minimum of over US$4,150/month. I'm a US citizen with a US passport, living in a lower-cost country. I live OK, but I have no rights here. I'm here legally, but I'm just a legal alien. I make well less than HALF of that. If you can manage US$4,166+ per month, good on ya...but if you could do that, you probably wouldn't need this.
Almost all migration is to countries that offer welfare. People should have a voice in who they financially support.
Great post Kristin! Exciting times ahead....
Thank you! I think so too!
Thanks Kristin for this informative and helpful video. I think it’s safe to say that citizens of the 5 Eye countries are the most affected by intrusive surveillance. Laws are becoming more draconian, the cost of living is out of reach for the average citizen. Moreover, privacy is becoming increasingly scarce. All the more reason to live outside the 5 eye countries.
You are welcome, Malcolm! Glad you enjoyed the video :)
What countries are the 5 eye countries?
@@michaelbaker5501 USA, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand.
@@malcolmnicoll1165 Thank you
This is fascinating...and encouraging for younger generations. We oldies loved to travel but had home bases throughout our lives..mainly because of work/family structures. Half of me loves the freedom offered; part of me fears a disconnect of close, human interaction. I won't see it...but my caution re:human connection remains. Great video!
Thank you, Carol! I’m glad you found it helpful 😊 We certainly live in interesting and dynamic times!
Awesome scoop, Kristin.Thanks. I'm 100% on board with this. Will be looking into it today.
Great to hear! 🌎🌍🌏
I actually was watching a geography related RUclips channel that was trying to determine how many countries there are and the case of unofficial countries came up. One of the ones listed was a digital country, which got me thinking, about starting one of my own and what that would take? This is fascinating and very appealing.
This is incredibly dystopian. Free movement for privileged people, while the poor and uneducated shall be further and locked out of travel.
I think that’s the recipe they’re cooking, and this is just an ingredient.
If the country you are in is falling apart from bad policy implemented by world government, just move to a more stable country for a while… because you have special privilege of the money class.
This is such an amazing concept! I hope it succeeds… thank you for sharing!
You are so welcome! I hope so too!
Wow! Yours is one of the most professional and informative videos on any subject I've seen. On top of that, the depth of how you contextualized the topic of this video has expanded my horizon of what is possible to pursue in this strange reality we find ourselves in. Subscribed! Thank you.
Thank you so much, Mr. Max. I appreciate your comment and feedback 🙏
Thank you for valuable information and a history lesson, Kristin! Much love from Japan🌈
You are so welcome, Bruno! I love Japan 🇯🇵
This sounds like an excellent choice for full-time sailors (original digital nomads) with regular/guaranteed incomes. This may be a workaround for the Schengen Zone. One question that comes to mind is where do you seek assistance when needed, as in an Embassy?
Taxes, taxes, taxes. The U.S. has reduced citizens to cash cows. This is why I’m preparing to return abroad. Can’t escape the Feds, but I can escape state and local taxes.
Hou have no idea. Move to Canada if you think the US is so bad. You'll get an education on being livestock for the government.
As always, thank you for this video Kristin. These people are smart and thinking like that gets people to think outside the box, so this could bring a whole other thing to life. Very interested to see what follows as digital is the future and many countries are starting to see that. BTW still looking adorable, have a great week Kristin, Luke.
Thanks Luke; exciting times ahead!
I'm a Montréal baby-boomer. Most boomers I know are still free-spirits and really don't fit in the 'evil boomers who get blamed for everything' box that's happening right now. At any rate, I agree with this: "These people are smart and thinking like that gets people to think outside the box, so this could bring a whole other thing to life. Very interested to see what follows as digital is the future and many countries are starting to see that.". It's very exciting.
I sympathize with your idealism about travel but unfortunately the trend is if anything going the other way, to more strict control of movement. In short: countries love free spending tourists but hate those who stay more than 3-6 months even if this aversion acts against their economic self interest. But I suppose we could conceivably see something like this for those in the global 0.1 %, the richest one thousandth of the global population.
Potentially They are leveraging another class of citizen rights, based on financial status… which will have the vaccine and other requirements as attachments for maintaining your status. It’s like baiting people into this great thing, hoping they are committed enough to comply with insanity because they already spent the money, and no refunds will be allowed.
But if you have the money and desire, what would it matter to you?
Thanks for informing us about this important topic. I had no idea.
Thanks, you ALWAYS post terrific video information.
I appreciate that!
Fascinating. Thanks for this information. I’m going to read more about the history of passports and the development of modern national boundaries.
Wonderful! I find it captivating as well.
Plumia criteria for the border pass says 'Minimum annual income of 50000$' which i think is on the higher side, also, isn't it still a restrictive condition to get a pass since people belongs to the weak passport nations mostly would not earn 50k $ annualy to meet the criteria. Mostly countries as of now already asking for atleast 2 to 3 times the average income of their home country to be eligible for nomads visas. besides some sort of integratio of certain class of countries together for easy access (e.g multiple entry), how else is Plumia is different?
Intriguing Kristin! Please keep us up to date on this.
Will do, Jack!
As a US citizen I personally don’t have a need for any of this at the moment, but if it can work for others with weaker passports I’m all for it. That said, with their long term goal of being able to issue passports through an online country, I really don’t see that happening. There are international laws and criteria regarding what can and cannot be considered a state (country) and under the current system an internet state is far from it, so I don’t foresee many countries accepting these passports. You can look at the nation of “sealand” who does issue passports to citizens, but it isn’t recognized anywhere because they are not an actual state.
Good insights, Maddie. I hope that this solution will help more people worldwide. Creating a legitimate passport will be challenging, but if anyone can do it, the team at SafetyWing can :)
Thumbs up for the Principality of Sealand mention! The history of Sealand gives plenty of background as to why micronations are rarely tolerated or indulged.
And for those who believe in the nobility of the concept, there is always someone who will come along and ruin it for them, like the absurd plan to operate an offshore micronation on a cruise ship off the coast of Panama, described amusingly in "The disastrous voyage of Satoshi, the world’s first cryptocurrency cruise ship".
Totally onboard thank you so much
Great idea! I hope it hits the ground running.
Good Information Kristin!! I have to ponder on these ideas before I put my foot in my mouth. But ultimately, I agree the passport system has made traveling restrictive and it shouldn't be like that.
Glad it was helpful, Steve! Complex issues here.
Definitely want this!! Thanks for sharing!! 🥰
You are so welcome!
Nomad Border Pass with Plumia will be a game changer for all of us
Thank you for bringing awareness to this important topic.
My pleasure 🙂
Awesomely explained! Thank you
Feeling very fortunate - I’ve got multiple citizenships that give me above average travel mobility across the world. Excited to hear about the Nomad Border Pass. As a nation, I’m pretty sure Estonia went digital around a decade ago - you could get (and still can) become an online resident with digital access to Estonian Government services …at least for business and entrepreneurial services.
Very interesting!!! WOW! What a great piece of news! I have been amazed in the past few years how new technologies have been able to open up borders to a whole different level. I was actually saying recently how it has become easier now to be less "rooted" to a country from an administrative stand point and that only nationality (and fiscality) is still connecting us to a country (for those fortunate enough to hold a passport from a developed country). Thank you very much for this good video!
I'm glad you found the video informative and thought-provoking! Thank you for your thoughtful comment @christophecaron7105!
This is a brilliant idea and presentation of it. Thank you for your constantly helpful content!
Thank you so much! 💓 More to come 😊
So the actual Plumia passport is 8 years away (assuming everything goes as planned). I have so many questions and quite a few doubts. I just don't see Canada and the US or the EU openly allowing people from the global south to migrate north. The EU is even making Americans get visas starting next year.
Wow. It's about to get really dystopian.
Bro you can just get in a dingy boat and if you come from south, the EU will throw housing and pocket money at you. It's going on for nearly 10 years now....
@@valentinepowell2307 They aren't saying they are not allowed in. Telling them they have to get a visa gives the border security time to make sure the applicant is a safe person to be in their country. Seems smart to me.
I enjoy hearing about the new opportunities in the digital world. Exciting times.
Nice video Kristin. It's cool to see Plumia is making progress.
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed the video.Thanks for watching!
I’m DEFINITELY JOINING THEIR “COUNTRY”. It’s An Absolutely BRILLIANT IDEA/Project. WOW! How VISIONARY!!!💙 Thank You For Sharing, Kristin.💗 Welcome, Fellow Country-Person.😍
I'm so glad you're excited about it! Thank you for your warm welcome and enthusiasm! 💙😍
This concept looks rather interesting! I will be curious to hear more about this as I think it would be really cool to see this! I do expect there to be a lot of challenges with getting many countries on board due to a lot of cultural and societal differences.
Thanks Scott! The full interview with the head of Plumia will be out in a few weeks on the podcast!
Thank you for making this video
You're welcome @ruslanbidzhiev5197!
Thank you so much for posting this...we all knew it was coming no matter which side of the fence...I need to understand more about this as the concept is great but it 10 countries doesnt sound like enough to me hopefully more will be added...like do i still keep my original passport for travel to countries that arent on the list? Need to go and research Thank you again :)
“makes it a lot easier to control the movement of people” - funny turn of phrase, as if people’s movement NEED to be controlled as opposed to people having the freedom to, or indeed the right to move around the planet they are born onto.
I also think you're brilliant! Okay, the subject handling and thoughtfulness is there, but you are the epitome of business and discipline; I love that! ❤
Thank you so much for your kind words and appreciation! I'm glad that resonates with you. Your support means a lot to me! ❤
This is FASCINATING!! Jumping in that website now!
Enjoy! 💃
Plumia sounds to me like an easy way to get easy money from people who have no clue about traveling and the ways of how countries manage to deal with foreign citizens. This is nothing else but a trial to become visa agent for as much people as possible, it has nothing to do with any kind of real citizenship. I cannot imagine that any country would allow citizens from a fantasy world to come in, even if you'll call yourself something like that everybody still has to have citizenship from a real country. And finally only this real citizenship determines whether you are allowed to come in or stay away, and under which conditions you are allowed to come.
Whether you do your visa applications yourself or let it handle by an agent or any fantasy service in the internet, doesn't matter. No country or club of countries like the Schengen countries would give up their right to allow or refuse passage.
Which are the 10 countries does the pass offer visa for?
Thank you
I Love the Idea of a Nomad Border Pass because it seems like you can go through all the paper work in one place and have access to many places to at least see if you like those places, before going through all the paper work of becoming a semi citizen. Thank you for your Time and info, it sounds promising. I heard Thailand has already started a Visa program.
When are the passports going to be available? I'd love to get one. I think it's an awesome idea!
Exciting times. Thanks for sharing.
Very interesting and exciting times. I do think this will be the way society evolves, but also a more localised community focus where digital nomads are able to better integrate into the local communities, contribute to the infrastructure they're using and potentially be given property and voting rights without having to become nationalised. We'll have to wait and see what the future holds!
I'm about 60% of the way through this video. I had to pause it so that I could make the following comment, "Kristin, you are the best. I love your presentation style and informative approach. Thank you for making DN content that has value!"
Thank you so much for your wonderful feedback! I'm thrilled to hear that you're enjoying the video and finding the content valuable. Your support means a lot! 😊🌟
Which are these 10+ countries ?
They are not mentioned on their webpage.
My sister and I were speaking of being “Planetary Citizens” back in the ‘70s. I hope this idea comes to fruition some day.
If the capitalist in liberal democracies desire it, the bureaucrats will follow.
Have you considered partnering up with Amelia and JP (and their slow traveling channel)? They don't focus on digital nomad and yet they really get down into expenses, accommodations, healthcare, and things to do in countries they visit?
Thanks for this video,
Ken
Bellingham, WA USA
Hi there, yes I know them! We have worked together with International Living before. I talk about digital nomad, cost-of-living, and living abroad topics.
@@TravelingwithKristin hi. Yes you do but they don’t really get into digital nomad stuff much. I think they should refer to you for what you report on.
Just joined the waitlist to get more details as the website not even enlists the participating countries...
Hey Kristin it's something I'm talking about almost my whole life. But you didn't mention how are these entities able to do this ? What are the mechanisms involved ?
You make a lot of sense Kristin 👍
Thank you! I’m glad to hear that.👍😊
Sounds great but what are the 10 countries???
Kristin, thanks
Consular services may be a problem if you need assistance. Will Plumia have embassies and consulates?
Will Plumia host refugees?
Right now Plumia is a common visa broker.
Which airline will sell you a ticket if you have a Plumia Passport.
Glad to see you posting about this as I've never heard of it until now, but wondering how a private company is going to pull off this much needed open passport policy....
I'm happy to help spread the word! Such an intriguing concept. Time will tell how it all pans out.
@@TravelingwithKristin We'd spoke a while back via email but a lot has changed since then so what do you know about moving to Germany now if you're of German ancestry? Should we discuss in email again? Thx
When ir comes to humans moving around it has and will be a never ending process. I foresee a future where Africa will receive millions of people from everywhere.
Good idea. Let's start solving banking as well.
Do you offer services to people with low passport index to help them get a visa ? If yes how can i contact it's urgent
I love the idea! As an American I’d love to see 90+ day visas allowed per separate country in the EU not the whole of the EU. So many countries keep joining and now the option to stay and travel Europe long term seems so limited. I’d love to be able to move around the EU indefinitely! …. The whole world frankly but one step at a time! I’d even be open to additional background checks etc for this internet country passport if it allowed more freedom to travel!
90 days per country would be great! Although people would probably never leave then 😄
very informative and well-organized! :)
Thank you, Jenny! 🙏
Have you taken a look at the world service authority? With the world citizen passport? They've been around for decades. And occasionally accepted on a case by case basis. That should really be encouraged and petitioned for more governments to accept.
Thanks!
Thank you!! 💛
Such an interesting concept
I agree!
Kristin you are brilliant! Great topic!
Thanks so much!
you are most welcome! I am an admirer of your work for a long time! please keep the great work going. godspeed to you.
I will keep an eye on your channel for more of these!
Thank you Jason, More to come!
What are you thoughts on 6G internet? when it comes out in the next upcoming couple of years. When we talk not just about web browsing also cloud computing
Interesting content - as usual! Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it, James!
I think it's an interesting concept and long overdue. In addition to digital nomads, many of us retirees have consistent income but few ties to our home country and could live anywhere. And not only Americans, but Canadians, Australians and retirees from other countries too. It's a growing market that presents a huge opportunity for companies to design new products and services to meet specific needs - from travel/medical insurance to borderless passports, accommodations and more.
Glad you found value in the concept, Linda. I will be following these developments closely!
There are BILLIONS of Indians/Chinese/Pakistanis/Bangladeshis who would gladly jump on this.
Finally, someone else noticed it too...
If I can support myself and respect the laws (and people... and environment) of whatever place I go and stay, why should I be limited by any border?
I can understand some arguments in case you want to vote in that place and have a saying in its future. But if you are a nomad/passive human respectfully living in a place for as long as it suits you, why should you be limited by borders?
We are all part of one human race 🌍 🌍🌏
Yes, I totally agree, it's a great project and also people should talk more about this inequality which seems normal to most but not to me.
How do I feel about the concept of nation states? The concept of democracy would be impossible without them. And the concept of democracy is linked to culture. Like it or not but as humans we find it easier to establish rapport with people from our own culture than cultures that are dissimilar. Similar physical features and native language also play a big role in this aspect.
That being said digital nomadism might end up being a culture and a set of common values which in turn can lead to tribes organizing themselves into something new without neccesarily even needing a nation state.
One thing I wonder about is how Plumia will scan visa applicants? Their brand will suffer if it turns out their services are used by criminals and terrorists.
Great insights! Thank you for sharing. Modern-day society isn't possible without the organization and collaboration of people on a mass scale, but we should also keep improving these systems. I'm sure they will also have high standards for who can apply for the pass (and future passport).
@@TravelingwithKristin Private security firms can probably do a decent job as far as background checks go. But they don’t work for free so that’s an additional cost to slap on top of immigration lawyers etc.
@@TravelingwithKristin How does this square with net zero targets?
Great information. Thank you!.💥
My pleasure, Alicia!
This is a fascinating venture. Timely as well. I will be keeping my eye on Safety Wing & Plumia. Thanks for the info Kristin.
You’re welcome, Melanie!
Wow! Thanks for the video! Yes I am currently on Social Security Disability which will turned into Social Security Retirement at my full retirement age and my wife is just 3 years behind me. We currently live in the U.S., but do own real estate in Eastern Europe, but would like to do some traveling before my polyneuropathy gets too bad and I am forced to stop. So, sounds exciting to me and I will bring it up to her soon. Thanks again! 😊
Throughout history, there have always been restrictions on travel. For example, in the Middle Ages, travel was often restricted by religious and political authorities. In the 19th century, travel was restricted by passport controls and immigration laws. It was not until the mid-20th century that the ability to travel freely began to increase.
What do you think about the idea of a digital country? Will you apply for the Nomad Border Pass or Passport?
Sounds very interesting. I'm curious: what will the taxes be, how quickly will it be recognized by current countries, how will it be accessible to the poor. There's a mountain range of questions.
I love this idea!
I don't see the UN recognizing an internet digital country ever and I definitely don't see the US ever recognizing such a thing so probably not happening. Folks need to be careful with this. Without recognition from your home country at least, you don't get to legally escape taxes. Folks need to be careful.
Nomad Border Pass is a great idea. Value of this passport will depend upon the participating countries.
In the end it will compete with the digital residency of Palau .. and "simple" to get residencies (e.g. Paraguay, Nicaragua, Georgia, ..).
The idea is quite genuine, it's a need
ok, ok..
As a dual passport holder, I'm not sure I need a 3rd. They're a blessing and a curse, depending on the situation! Thanks for sharing this.... I'm going to follow along and see how it goes!
Glad it was helpful! Congrats on the two passports 😊
Sounds like a good idea . I definitely would be interested .
Love this!!!!
So interesting Kristin, thanks for sharing!
You are so welcome, Mitch! Hope you're feeling better!
This is interesting I'm just now learning about all this. As a US citizen who was lucky enough to travel in my youth from family employment, this was sadly never explained to me.
Recently trying to get my Persian friend to visit has been a struggle due to old political issues and visa restrictions.
I think your idea is amazing. Count me in 😊!
Yay! Thank you!
There are two big issues for Plumia to overcome. The first is that countries would seemingly have to break their own entry policies in order accommodate Plumia. If a country currently does not admit people with certain passports, why would it accept people with those passports just because they pay for a visa through Plumia? Second, the Plumia visa would only be for 90 days which is the same length as a typical tourist visa in most countries, so what value or advantage is that providing to the Plumia visa holder for their $500?
Kudos for making this informative video.
My pleasure! I find this topic fascinating.
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