FU-Tone | Noiseless Springs For Your Tremolo (Double Locking & Non Locking)
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
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Today I am checking out noiseless springs from FU-Tone.com. This is a non-sponsored, non affiliated video. These springs replace your standard tremolo springs for much quieter operation. If you are looking for something to help quiet your Floyd Rose Tremolo, or Fender Style Tremolo, this video is for you.
You can get these springs at:
www.FU-Tone.com
or if you prefer Floyd Rose, you can go here:
www.floydrose.com
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Wow, I wasn’t expecting them to work like that. They don’t just stop the ringing, they actually clean up the tone itself a bit. Cool.
Demo starts at 4:35. Really impressed with the noiseless springs. They’re not 100% effective, but still really great. Probably going to try their titanium string retainers next, mainly because they come in green 😝.
Yep I'm sold. Need them now.
Hi Great video! Thank you so much for sharing it with us. Need your honest recommendation. Which Noiseless springs should I choose from the FU-tone website? I prefer 9 46 gauge on my Charvel San Dimas guitar. I use Standard tuning mostly. Sometimes half step down tuning. Should I go with the Black color as that is considered a standard? Thank you so much 🙏. Best regards
Yes, the Black ones are the standard noiseless springs and most definitely the ones I would go with for a standard tuned guitar with 9’s. Another possible route would be the red ones, but you might have to drop down to only using 2 springs on your Floyd. But if you rarely or never use heavy gauge strings (11g or higher in standard tuning), I would most definitely go with the black ones.
@@IndependenceGuitar Hey thank you very much for your recommendation, much appreciated! Yes, I have used mostly 9 46 gauge in the last five years in Standard tuning & Half step down tuning. If I go with the red ones or other colors, there is a possibility that the whammy bar will become stiff and will restrict the movement. I do Push downs as well as Pull ups using my Floyd Rose FRT 1000 series. For me, both the movements are important. I hope I am making a sensible choice with the black springs by FU-tone ?
@@Aditya_Paliwal_9 I will try to explain this without getting too convoluted, but whenever I bought the purple ones, I was thinking that because I would only have to use three springs, that the tension would be less on my tremolo arm. However, it wasn’t. It felt the same as when I had 4 standard springs. This is because the tension on the springs has to be equal to the tension on the strings when the tremolo is at its floating zero point. My point being that the number of springs or what kind you use has no significant effect on how easy or hard it is to use the Floyd. The tremolo arm will have as much or as little tension as the strings need to be at the desired pitch. The dives will be directly correlated to how heavy or thin your string gauge is. Remember a floating trem is a balancing act. Both sides must be equal to each other. So regardless of whether you have 3 or 4 springs, the tension against the strings will have to be equal to make the bridge float in the same place. When a spring is more compressed and relaxed, it is easier to extend than a spring that is already extended. As you pull the spring apart more and more, it becomes more and more difficult to pull apart. This is why there is more tension at the end of your dive than at the beginning. My point is that how easy or hard it is to use your Floyd Rose as more to do with how thick your strings are relative to the tuning you are using, and getting as close to the sweet spot as possible, where the spring is slightly extended for the pullback, but leaves plenty of room to extend the dive. So it is possible that if you were to get the red ones, you may have to compensate by only using two springs. The other way to compensate would be to back out the claw screws more. whatever the compensation is, the springs and strings end up at the same tension to have the bridge level to the body and at its zero point. I apologize if that doesn’t make sense, let me know if you have any other questions. But I would definitely go with the black ones.
@@IndependenceGuitar Hey Brother! Thank you so much for taking the time to provide your detailed explanation, very much appreciated!! 🤘. Completely agreed. The Black springs will suit me the best. Now, I have finally decided to do the following mods to my Floyd Rose FRT 1000 series on my Charvel. Let me know if I am going in the right direction:
1. The stock Trem block is 32 mm. I am going with a 32 mm brass trem block. Here is the path: FU-tone -> Big Blocks - Floyd -> 32 mm Brass Sustain Big block
2. Stainless steel block mounting screws
3. Black Noiseless springs as you recommended
I can only spend on these components at this point. Should I buy Brass Spring claw or Saddle Inserts as well ? OR the above 3 things should be sufficient for a significant tonal difference?
@@Aditya_Paliwal_9 personally, I wouldn’t bother with the brass spring claw unless you just really want to do it for aesthetic reasons. The purpose of the brass block is to give the bridge more weight and therefore give it more sustain. The brass spring claw doesn’t really serve a purpose as any resonant frequencies will be stopped by the noiseless springs. The saddle inserts might be of benefit because they will not get chewed up by the strings. Idk. I guess if it were me, I’d go for a block for sure, but the other stuff only for aesthetic reasons. Was actually thinking of getting a set of the green titanium ones just to match the green on my guitar lol.
It was hard for me to understand how to pick your springs. I finally understood how no matter how strong the springs you want. Your mostly choosing how much tightness you want on your tremolo bar.
Actually, that’s not the case. The spring tension will always be equal to the string tension. Since the springs come in packs of three, they make heavier duty springs for people that use heavier gauge strings or 7 strings. For example, with normal springs, I had to use at least 4 springs. If I tried to use only 3, it was impossible to tighten the claw screws enough to support the tension from the springs. Likewise, if you use too many springs, the strings may not be able to support the tension of the springs. It’s actually easier to decompress (stretch) a spring from its starting point than it is to stretch it further when it’s already decompressed. Anyway, the TLDR is that the springs have almost zero bearing on how easy it is to manipulate a Floyd. The strings however have quite a bit of bearing as the springs will always be equal tension to the strings on a floating trem. The springs will only make a difference if you have a fender style trem, or if the Floyd is blocked from pulling up. Hope that helps!
If I had to play for awhile I choose FU springs … it’s a little noise relief , I’ll still use them .. thanks !
Yeah, i haven’t had a chance to try out the Floyd Rose brand ones to see how they compare, or if there is any difference, but I really like the FU tone ones either way.
Great video Josh, that was awesome 😀🤘🎵🔥🔥🔥🔥
Thanks Adam! 🤘🤘
i threw the purple ones on my guitar, using 2 on the far sides, and got an axlabs tone claw. i've slammed the claw pretty far back to get the tension i need, but man my notes are a lot cleaner and almost piano like.
Slammed back as in into the guitar, or backed them out? If you mean into the guitar, I would try going a step down in the tension. The only reason I got the purple ones is because they come in sets of three and I needed them to be able to support the tension of a seven string. But hey whatever works… I haven’t messed with any kind of new claw, but I would love to try one of the upgraded sustain blocks. I also want to get a set of the titanium string retainers. Not sure if I’d go with purple to match the springs, or green to match the body color. Should look pretty dope either way. I dig these springs tho, quiet, feel smooth, no “chink”-ing.
into the guitar, it seems to be the perfect amount to float my floyd on a 6 string with 10s (i like the basic elixers) and i feel like it's actually a bit easier to press the bar. i've actually also got the naval brass inserts, i'm going to play around with stainless steel, want to also try out all the other springs. and i got a chinese titanium nut on its way, it looks identical to FU's. i also just threw some stainless saddles on, still using the naval brass inserts. going to try the stainless ones later and eventually the Ti ones aswell.@@IndependenceGuitar but yeah, i'm also putting the noiseless springs in every guitar i get with a trem system. i'm eventually also going to try out as many different materials of sustain block as i can.
@@LuvBiteFGC nice! Yeah, I’m relatively new to Floyd’s as far as how long I’ve been playing. 20+ years, only 3-4 using FR. I really dig some of the FU-Tone stuff. I also just kind of root for them given they are the small company and still able to make/source quality stuff at comparable price to FR. Would be nice to have the kind of money to spend on their fancy titanium stuff lol. Definitely want to try it all out at some point.
i really want to try their saddles especially the brass ones, i'm just gunna buy a "cheap knock off" titanium block eventually. trying to eventually collect as many floyd mods as i can. been playing for about 16 years and only just got my first "really nice" guitar with a floyd about 4 months ago and i'm just obsessed. @@IndependenceGuitar i love that fu has all the titanium parts it wears down slower and you can really clamp the locks down.
I bought the red and the purple for my 7 string. Still cant figure out what is the best ones to use for a better string tension. My 7 is playing very tight. Maybe any ideas
Unfortunately, 7 string guitars will just feel tighter than a 6 string. There really isn’t a whole lot you can do about it. You have to keep in mind that the tension of the Floyd is exactly equal to the tension of your strings. The purple or red springs maybe be higher tension than a regular Floyd rose spring, but you get away with only using 3 springs vs the 4 regular springs it would usually take to support the extra tension of the 7th string. Even if you use the red springs that are slightly less heavy duty than the purple, you will still have to tighten them up to equal the floating tension of the bridge and strings. My suggestion would be to use the purple ones as they don’t have to stretch as much to support the tension, which should in theory make them easier to dive as a spring gets harder to decompress the more that it is extended. Also, just like with anything else that is metal and playable, the springs will have a break in period. The floyd on the guitar in this video is noticeably easier to play now that the springs are well broken in. So definitely sit with the guitar and dive it down, bring it back to zero point, dive it down again, back to zero…. Get it good and stretched out. Also, once you get used to playing with the 7 string Floyd more, it will feel just as natural as the six. You kind of just get used to it. But anyway, the springs will become my playable once broken in. I hope that helps, let me know how that works out! Sorry for the really long answer, just thought it would help you overall… 🫡
@@IndependenceGuitar no much appreciated. I'll just have to keep experimenting I guess. I think 2 purples on a set of standard green slinky's might be it. But everything you said makes sense. Thanks for some input.
@jamesnorton7601 actually that is one thing you can do, maybe try going down a string gauge. Less tense strings = less tense Floyd.
@@IndependenceGuitar yeah very may well try that. Thought occurred to me. My 7 feels very stiff in the high E side.
@@jamesnorton7601 yep, that’s one more down side, because more of the Floyd gets diverted to the lower side when you dive, the b and high e strings are a bit tighter. But again, my best advice to just to keep cranking the heck out of your Floyd and the break the springs in as much as possible. I promise it will lighten up over time. It might take 2-3 months of constant use to break them in, but it will get there. And last thing, i honestly prefer the little bit of extra fight the 7 string gives me. It helps me to not over do my dives especially when trying to dive to a specific note which happens a lot with Steve Vai and Joe Satriani songs.just keep with it, in no time, you’ll be just as comfortable as with a six.
I have a Floyd Rose equipped guitar and I recently went from 3 to 2 springs in the back but the trem just stood up, so i put the 3rd spring back. Now the bar is really stiff and is pretty hard to push down. What can I do?
Unfortunately, there isn’t a whole lot you can do. Even using less springs doesn’t mean the trem will be easier to use. The nature of the Floyd rose is that each side is equally balanced tension so that your bridge floats. So the tension on your springs will be exactly the tension of the strings. What gauge strings are you using? If you go down from say, 10’s to 9’s, that will definitely make the bar easier to use because you are putting less tension on the strings. Just for some context, on a hard tail guitar that is 25.5” scale, in standard tuning, i will generally use 10g strings, sometimes even 11’s. But on a Floyd rose of the same spec and tuning, I will use 9’s. This makes for better ease with the bar. Anyway, what gauge strings are you using, what is the scale length of the guitar, and what tuning are you playing in. I might be able to give you a better answer with that info ✌️.
@@IndependenceGuitar Hi, sorry for taking so long. I use 9-46 gauge, standard tuning, 25.5 scale. What's weird about the guitar is that it's sometimes really easy to play and bend, while it sometimes is very hard to bend. It kind of changes by itself. Do you have any idea of what that is all about?
Thanks!
@@ottolofstrom3896 that’s weird 🤔 I can’t think of anything that would cause it to do that. Are you familiar with guitar setups? Doesn’t even have to be a Floyd rose, but do you know how to setup a hard tail? Like set the action, intonation, neck relief etc… the only thing I can’t think of is if your action isn’t even. Is your Floyd flush to the body when you set it? Is the left or right side higher than the other? Is your neck relief straight, or is there some kind of bow (too much relief?). Lastly, are the springs on your Floyd set straight? I know a lot of people like to set their Floyd springs in an arrow shape, but you will always get the best function when the springs are parallel like they’re supposed to be. Tell you what, if you want to send me some pictures of your bridge, headstock, nut, a side view of your action, and your spring setup in the back, either send them to my email independenceguitar@gmail.com, or just post them (or tag me) on Facebook, and I will have a look. It might just be a tension issue you need to get used to, but there’s a chance there is some kind of hangup somewhere. I’d be more than happy to take a look.
@@IndependenceGuitar Thank you so much! Really appreciate it! I will send you an email with some pictures soon!
who is that dreadnought signed by behind you? just curious
Oh, that’s signed by Alexandra Kay. She’s a country artist that I used to work security for before she got (semi) famous. She’s really sweet. If you dig country music at all, look her up. Amazing voice.