@@TheHistoryGuyChannel facial hair in general. The Victorian ideal for elderly men is a thick, grandfatherly beard. This shaped our popular image of St Nick, which continues today
As a teenager in the 1970s, I can confirm that long hair was most definitely seen as un-American. [ edit back then, long hair also might have caused one's masculinity to be called into question; perhaps a little less so than in the 60s, those guys had it particularly rough, got called " f-----ts" regularly. Towards the tail end of the Vietnam War, long hair was most definitely seen as a defining message of disagreement with that part of American foreign policy, hence the frequent charges of un-Americanism].
@@TheHistoryGuyChannel The clean-shaven look, may be a Roman ideal ... that of low body hair. As men mass for military service, it may have played a role in reducing lice.
@@goodun2974 I hear ya man. My Dad freaked when my hair got too long. I tried to argue that fashions change by citing George Armstrong Custer and others, including the powdered wigs of presidents. He didnt hear a word. I suspect the guys at the American Legion were ribbing him about me. Dont get me wrong. I grew up in that Legion Hall. But its a shame parents demand the same from their kids as their own fashion dictates. I shoulda dyed it purple and spiked it, lol.
The military connection to the mustache is why the Old Order Amish men, even today, wear a beard but not a mustache. The religion rejects anything military.
That is also the reason Old Order Amish don’t wear any buttons on their shirts/blouses. They have a pin or hook method instead. Buttons on shirts are associated with the military. I wouldn’t have known either, except that I have a friend who grew up in the Old Order Amish church who explained these things to me.
Not military style boots. Also Velcro is considered too modern. I have seen nice tennis shoes worn. But keep in mind, each Amish group has their own rules, called the “Ordnung”. For instance one group may allow rubber on their wagon wheels but others only allow steel rims. Some have “Y” suspenders, others “H” or only one side. Belts are a no-no due to the military look.
Hey Mr. History Guy, You need to grow a mustache and proclaim to all that YOU are the great Mr.MOUSTACHEIO! Your videos are always as entertaining as they are informative. Thank you good sir.
At school, they were always insistent that the older boys were clean-shaven my friend and I were the rebellious type and would usually have a heavy growth of stubble. Our headmaster an ex-Royal Navy captain called us to his study. He made a deal with us that if we could grow a beard navy style within six weeks, we could ignore the usual rule. Both of us succeed in growing a "full set" as it was known in the navy parlance, a thick well-trimmed beard. The headmaster who thought the task was beyond a couple of lads didn't like it but was a man of his word and stuck to the deal. My friend later became an RN captain.
Aah, Imperialism at work. I’m sure your mate is being used by the Military Industrial Complex to destroy the lives of those in the brutally exploited 3rd world. Fuck the UK and their Imperialist tendencies🇬🇧🗑️🔥
I always was terrified of men with mustaches when I was a small child. Very peculiar this was, both my father and grandfather wore them my whole life. When my father shaved his as a test, I cried. I don't wear any facial hair but when I tried I had already gone quite grey so, I missed my shot according to my daughters. Never had a job that cared either way. Never been an issue here at my place.
Years ago, I shaved my mustash when my daughter said she didn't like it. A while later, I shaved my mustache and instead of being pleased with it, she asked me to grow it back as she'd become used to seeing me with one. Plus que sa change, plus que c'est la meme chose?
I thought you might be interested to know that from 1860 to 1916, the British Army imposed mandatory dress regulations on their soldiers, including the requirement to have a mustache. ... The mustache became an official symbol of every regiment of the British Army with the passing of Command Nº 1,695 of the King's Regulations in 1906
I've been sporting a big pornstache since I was 16 years old in 1992, so I can relate. Having a huge mustache is a right. Although I do keep waiting for it to come back in style. Fingers crossed. It's the only freak flag I have left
Thanks. I don't doubt your account in the least, sir. But I question the 'logic' these men used to decide that moustaches were fierce (to scare their opponents, I presume); especially once most all men wore them! Were they equally scared? :) tavi.
I've had a full beard for 43 years now. Long thought a man should go either "Greek" or "Roman" a mustache being an in between oddity. That said it never fails to amaze me how complete strangers feel at liberty to publicly insult my facial hair.
Very interesting piece; I’ve fortunately been able to visit Paris a couple of times and I have enjoyed all of the people as well as all of the artistry not to mention all of the wonderful foods; Talk about one long flight from the states, Still one very nice weekend visit
And in 1992 they opened Disneyland Paris, and Disney learned that people in France feel very strongly about not being told by their employer how to wear their hair.
Even my current job restricted beards until fairly recently. It's only recently that beards were allowed in my type of job (where the public can see me). And of course in the Navy beards were forbidden, but plenty of men had mustaches.
When I joined the FBI in '88, mustaches were allowed but not beards. When I grew a beard, my supervisor took my access to a government car away. Also, only white shirts were OK. You were pushing the limit if you wore blue, but you had crossed the line with any other color.
No. I understand that the creator can designate where the YT ads will be inserted, and THG does it so that he doesn't get cut off mid-sentence. My complaint about some of the mid roll ads is their length.
I am sorry to have to be "that guy" ---- well, maybe not really sorry at all ha ha ! ---- but a follicle is the little pouch in the skin that the hair actually sprouts from, it is not the hair itself.
Amazing. I remember a time in the Sixties when a young man couldn't get a job if he had long hair. Looking back it seems trivial, but it was a big deal at the time.
In 1967 my High School football coach refused to fit me for a helmet until I got my hair cut; and it wasn't that long, just unkempt. My hair barely covered the top of my ears.
That must have been very long ago. The Bible already has rules forbidding Jews from shaving. So shaving must have been around thousands of years ago. Egyptian paintings already show most men clean-shaven and those paintings are 4000 years old, if not older.
Well, me being an old guy, i think a man bun looks silly; but at least keeps their hair out of your food. Now, when I was a young long-haired machinist, I tied my long hair back to avoid potential injury and death. A supervisor kept a hank of hair in his desk and showed it to new hires to remind them of what could happen if you had long hair and leaned over a spinning drill press ( I was told the guy survived without serious injury, but that had to really hurt!). Today's " fashionably long" beards probably constitute a similar or worse danger around spinning objects.
The French have striking down to an high art form. It seems they prefer their strikes to take place in the spring and summer. I remember a dear friend who was a Paris police officer telling me that the French prefer to strike then so as to add to their annual summer holidays.
The French military is well known for going on strike the minute any enemy is spotted. Other militaries call this "surrendering" and it's frowned upon by them....
When I was drafted in to the Danish army in 1972 I ended up in a Hussar regiment. Naturally they had by then traded in the horses for tanks but they still kept a small squad of horse soldiers for parade purposes complete with a light blue traditional Hussar uniform like the the original Hungarian model. If I had only known how to play a trumpet or ride a horse I could have avoided a lot of slogging .. such is life :-)
Battles over hair styles are not new. It’s only first world if it involves a strike instead of guerilla warfare or attempts to overthrow an emperor (see the Chinese queue as an example)
@@kthomasaus I completely forgot about the fight over the Chinese queue. Don't forget that between 22 and 34 New Yorkers were killed in a riot at the Astor Place theater on 10 May 1849 over which actor played Hamlet better on stage.
Yep, the ol' "other people have worse problems than yours, therefore, you have no problems" commie shit. "First world"...the prattle of the truly smug & self-righteous. Besides, there is no longer a First World, or a Second World, or a Third World, or any other number world. There is only the Last World, & we're in it.
The Hussars were the last military units allowed to wear their hair in braids in the belief that such braids were some protection against saber strokes to the neck.
I had one for around twenty years, early twenties to early fourties in age. But I gave it up when the colors red and gray started infiltrating my brown mustache. It looked horrible and I was not going to dye it. So it was gone. I always kept mine cut and trimmed. Some of the pictures in THG's video really got me in the fact it seems no maintenance or care was taken of the mustache. I would rather do without than have a rat's nest under my nose.
Same here. I've shaved it only twice once during Boot Camp and the second during the first weeks of the Police Academy. Both times as soon as I was allowed - boom! Mustache on!
They had to! After carefully examining the situation, they had no other choice that the threat caused by your hirsute upper lip presented a clear and present danger to all that would behold it, and it might possibly escape, run free and bite people in the ankles, and thus it was obvious the threat was greater than the one posed by any violation towards civil or human rights with you in particular or as government standard in general.
I was HS class of 1972. One of my sisters is 4 years older than I and was sent home from HS for wearing culottes (a split skirt) instead of a skirt. By the time I got there no one cared what we wore or how long our hair was.
@@juadonna At her first Grand Ole Opry appearance in 1960, Patsy scandalized Nashville by performing in slacks, instead of a dress. Now, the whole Cyborg Assassin From The Year 3768 That's Been Through A Tree Shredder look is de rigeur.
I gotta say, I laughed about the poor Americans who were just at the wrong place at the wrong time. I can totally see myself in their shoes. "Hey! What did I do!?"
Dear History Guy: How about doing a piece on the US Marine Corps' birthday. You have slightly less than a year to research it, until November 10, 2021. Semper fi.
That brought back memories of older women calling my mustache a "cookie duster" when I grew mine when I was in my twenties. Always loved those older people, their stories, and their humor and crazy sayings.
Right! I don't eat powdered doughnuts to this day. Mustard and mayonnaise go on the BOTTOM piece of bread in a sandwich. Moustache bath after meals is the norm.
when i was in RAF 1980-1997 they were just abolishing the big whiskers you associate with early aviators. i saw one old chief technician weeping at being told he had to remove his whiskers and facial hair was limited to just above the upper lip. ppl could get "shaving chits" and grow beards - but this was temporary only. the era of the Cold War heating up in the 80's meant that anyone who needed a full beard all of the time would be out the door. the Royal Navy has been the only branch of service that traditionally allowed beards, but i think even they were "trimmed back" in the 80's.. after the Cold War there was a general loosening of regulations. but certainly by time i left moustaches only were the rule for RAF/Army that i'm aware of
@@TheInfidel_SlavaUA Nobody ever expected to get such permission, or would avail themselves of the opportunity. It's just a form of dissent that you probably won't get fizzered for...
The "scariest" facial hair I've ever seen on human beings is the extra bushy white eyebrows seen on some older British men (especially a few British actors), makes them look hawk-like.
not finished watching but I really hope you throw on a pair of those joke glasses with the fake nose and fake mustache at some point before the video is ended LOL.
When I was in the US Navy in 1985 we had to put in a chit request to grow a Mustache and one to grow a beard in 1979 but beards were no longer permitted after 1980 in the US Navy. Not sure if the practice is still going on for Mustaches?
In modern(post WW1) armies shaved face was/is about a tightly fitting gas mask. In navy you still need breathing apparatus for damage control, I guess.
@@edwardrhoades6957 - yea by 1981 it just changed to the grooming standard. Because when sailors just didn’t shave their comment was, I’m growing a beard, but when beards were no longer allowed you wouldn’t just shave you chin and not you mustache area so it had to be inside your lip area. Besides you had to be able to grow a full beard when putting in a chit. No scraggly ass beards were allowed like my face at the time. I was a kid in a mans world. 40 facial hairs didn’t count as a beard including my mustache area.
I grew a moustache over the summer between my junior and senior year in high school and kept it all through my senior year. It wasn't very impressive, but was important to me. There were two other guys in our senior class of 300+ who had moustaches. When graduation time came around it was announced over the intercom that we who wore moustaches would not be allowed to take part in the graduation ceremonies unless we shaved them off. No one spoke directly to any of us so I just as quietly declined and showed up with my moustache intact. The other two guys had shaved. Not a word was said about mine and I walked across the stage moustache intact and head held high. Though I had shaving gear with me and would have shaved it off if challenged directly, it didn't happen. I learned some lessons about civil disobedience from that. Except for a couple of times when I shaved it off for a lark, I've had a moustache ever since. I'm 70 now. and I've been allowing it to get more fluffy the last few months, though it has increased maintenance issues.
I agree with the article that maintained mustaches are a vanity, and therefore absurd, but as a matter of principle, people should have the right to be absurd.
I hear mustache and I think of that fellow from tank chats, David Fletcher. Thank you THG for a whimsical & entertaining presentation making Monday morning more bearable. 🐱
The meeting of the bow tie and the mustache! I forgot that you have personal experience with that place and those people. It's been about a year now hasn't it? Always a treat when they use your message to pramote donation end subscription at the end of one of them their videos.
When my Dad grew a full beard in the 1970's, his mother, our grandmother would NOT look him in the eye and would barely speak to him. I was too young to understand her reaction and we were just 'hill folks'. She would have grown up with beard wearing men, but it was a sign of 'low breeding' not manliness, as far as she was concerned.😅
I last shaved my upper lip the day I graduated High School. It has been so many years I never think much about it. Funny how people don't change, the things we "fuss" about change but people don't really change
I did the exact same thing. We weren’t allowed to have facial hair in high school. I got yelled at more than once not to come to school the next day with hair on my upper lip. Even got sent to the dean of boys office once. Got a lecture on how ridiculous mustaches looked in modern times. And when I got older I would understand this. So when I graduated, I grew a mustache, probably for revenge at the time. I’ve worn it ever since. It’s been 50 years now. I wonder how the dean of boys would feel about that!
I grew a mustache as soon as I could at the age of 16, and it has been on my face ever since. The mustache is another victim of the pandemic - alas, all of our glorious facial hair is hidden beneath a mask. *sigh* Thanks, HG, for bringing the mustache to the forefront of style once again!!
Waxed and waned, eh? That's funny right there. I myself don't have a mustache because I inherited my father's weak upper lip. However, I have not shaved my beard or had my hair cut since 1975. I have saved so much money on haircuts that I could afford to take up smoking. Nyok nyok nyok.
9:10 Wow, really? That'd be a funny jail cell conversation. "So what are you in for?" "Killed a guy. What about you?" "I told my employees not to have mustaches."
You should’ve grown a few day mustache for this one. Lol I’m very proud of mine. Even though it’s always been so light that it never shows up on photos. Lol
Some of those moustaches are just plain gravity defying... How was that possible back in the day? Did they use gel back then? Or some other hair product for styling?
Bernard Cornwell, in one of the Sharpe's Rifles novels, describes a British sergeant getting his moustache tarred - applying hot tar to maintain the shape. I think wax was more common.
@@TheHistoryGuyChannel Interesting... I'm guessing either they used soft, warm beeswax or there were special products made from bees wax and other ingredients especially for facial hair right? Similar to modern beard styling products.
I'm French and don't associate manhood with "La Moustache, Le guidon de vélo (hadnlebars)....", and son many other argotic terms that were common until the second WW. However it's true that at the time and since Emperor Napléon III's time and especially during the 3rd Republic, France promoted an image of the "Gaulois Chevelu" or the long haired Gaul as the national heroic ancestor type, who was always depicted with a long "moustache" this is so true that if you look at most pictures of French soldiers during WW I you will see a big imposing upper lip appendage. These "poilus" or hairy soldiers were the heroes of the nation.
"One newspaper mocked that the waiters would just strike again when mustaches went out of style." Of course they would. They're French. Baseball is said to be the great American pastime. In France, it's strikes.
I grew a moustache as a young police officer in 1981in order to look older and because it was just what cops wore back then. Now, 40 years later, my wife bristles at any suggestion that I shave it off. I think she would appreciate this video.
Bottom line, yes, we get more compensation if you watch through the ads. Personally I find RUclips premium worth the subscription, that way you skip the ads but the creators still get compensation.
@@TheHistoryGuyChannel I'm glad to hear that Premium compensates you adequately. We switched over and love it, but I was a little worried about the creators. Thanks!
As a teenager, I adored the boys with the bushy mustache from college. Now I hate facial hair on med but I am in my 50s snd my view carries no weight. In Chicago the old famous restaurants always had the head waiter with the big mustache. However. Pepe la Pew had the skinny type I think of as so French! Great research and story! Thanks.
Atatürk banned the turks from wearing a fez in 1925 as part of his modernizing reforms. The fez was introduced in a modernisation reform in 1826 by Sultan Mahmud II. I don't remember if this channel has an episode on the fez, but it probably does.
You never disappoint. I remember the strict grooming standards we had in the Marines; a senior Machine gunner wore a mustache just to try out the grooming standards. He looked different, to say the least. Lol
Well! Very interesting. I am a conservative Mennonite. Many of our brethren will not wear a moustache with their beard. As most of you already know, most of our Amish cousins are the same, saying that back in Europe a moustache represented the military, which they don't want to emulate. But I never knew all the background history until now. I will keep my short moustache. I am an American. But now I know what they are talking about. Thank you. I have been enlightened about one facet of my church.
@@cplcabs Good question. As one of the few who was not born into the church, it is one item I have not given up. Also unusual I am a veteran and have been to college. That was decades before I found the church. In virtually everything else I gladly conform very well. And am glad to.
@@michaeldougfir9807 Thanks for you reply. I honestly thought that you had no choice. I also didn't know you could just join which I suppose makes me a tad ignorant really.
I think Darrell Duppa (the English Gentleman/cowboy/Arizona pioneer who saved Phoenix from being named "Pumpkinville) was one of the most interesting characters in the history of the west, but you almost never hear anything about him. Would you consider talking about "Lord Duppa"?
In the 1970s, the Oakland Athletics used to pay a small bonus to players who wore moustaches. It's hard to imagine Rollie Fingers or Catfish Hunter without one😁😎
When I got out of the 1st and 10th CAV in 1979 I went to apply to work at a Les Schwab Tire Store only to be told I would have to shave My Cavalry Handlebar Moustache...They allowed zero facial hair and I never did work for them .And I still have the 'Stash
Another great episode. I attended Norwich University, the oldest private military college in the US, graduating in 1987. The growing and wearing of a properly trimmed moustache was a privilege reserved only for senior (final year) cadets. In 1986 I grew my moustache, and have worn it ever since. With a 30 day exception in the 1990s when I shaved my moustache to raise money for a charity and my supervisory colleague, who had always been clean shaven, grew a moustache for the same 30 days. It was done for a good cause. After leaving the military, I began shaving my head (courtesy of male pattern baldness) and cultivating a handlebar moustache, which I kept neatly waxed and trimmed. While from time to time, mostly during the cold Maine winters, I grow an accompanying beard, the large, handlebar moustache has been a fixture in my life. I can not imagine looking in the mirror and seeing a clean shaven upper lip.
By a weird coincidence, I just found out that there's a group trying to prohibit employers from firing people because of their hairstyles. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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Complaining that mustaches are “un-English” is the most English thing I’ve ever heard
It is comic how that changed. 19th century British generals had some of the most impressive moustaches that I have ever seen in photographs.
@@TheHistoryGuyChannel facial hair in general. The Victorian ideal for elderly men is a thick, grandfatherly beard. This shaped our popular image of St Nick, which continues today
As a teenager in the 1970s, I can confirm that long hair was most definitely seen as un-American. [ edit back then, long hair also might have caused one's masculinity to be called into question; perhaps a little less so than in the 60s, those guys had it particularly rough, got called " f-----ts" regularly. Towards the tail end of the Vietnam War, long hair was most definitely seen as a defining message of disagreement with that part of American foreign policy, hence the frequent charges of un-Americanism].
@@TheHistoryGuyChannel The clean-shaven look, may be a Roman ideal ... that of low body hair. As men mass for military service, it may have played a role in reducing lice.
@@goodun2974 I hear ya man. My Dad freaked when my hair got too long. I tried to argue that fashions change by citing George Armstrong Custer and others, including the powdered wigs of presidents. He didnt hear a word. I suspect the guys at the American Legion were ribbing him about me. Dont get me wrong. I grew up in that Legion Hall. But its a shame parents demand the same from their kids as their own fashion dictates. I shoulda dyed it purple and spiked it, lol.
The military connection to the mustache is why the Old Order Amish men, even today, wear a beard but not a mustache. The religion rejects anything military.
I never knew that. I always assumed it was reason similar to why muhammadans do it.
That is also the reason Old Order Amish don’t wear any buttons on their shirts/blouses. They have a pin or hook method instead. Buttons on shirts are associated with the military. I wouldn’t have known either, except that I have a friend who grew up in the Old Order Amish church who explained these things to me.
@@keithweiss7899 they wear boots, though?
Not military style boots. Also Velcro is considered too modern. I have seen nice tennis shoes worn. But keep in mind, each Amish group has their own rules, called the “Ordnung”. For instance one group may allow rubber on their wagon wheels but others only allow steel rims. Some have “Y” suspenders, others “H” or only one side. Belts are a no-no due to the military look.
I live in around the largest american old order community. Good folks.
Hey Mr. History Guy, You need to grow a mustache and proclaim to all that YOU are the great Mr.MOUSTACHEIO!
Your videos are always as entertaining as they are informative. Thank you good sir.
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No. Do not let a Caterpillar take up residence under your nose. Mustaches are nasty.
yep
Liberte, Egalite, Moustacherie !!
At school, they were always insistent that the older boys were clean-shaven my friend and I were the rebellious type and would usually have a heavy growth of stubble. Our headmaster an ex-Royal Navy captain called us to his study. He made a deal with us that if we could grow a beard navy style within six weeks, we could ignore the usual rule. Both of us succeed in growing a "full set" as it was known in the navy parlance, a thick well-trimmed beard. The headmaster who thought the task was beyond a couple of lads didn't like it but was a man of his word and stuck to the deal. My friend later became an RN captain.
Aah, Imperialism at work. I’m sure your mate is being used by the Military Industrial Complex to destroy the lives of those in the brutally exploited 3rd world. Fuck the UK and their Imperialist tendencies🇬🇧🗑️🔥
"John has a long mustache"
*Parisian Waiters* :"We have waited long enough. It is our time to grow moustaches,"
Li love the passionate delivery of every episode
I have shaved off my mustache only 3 times in my life and every time it has grown back twice as thick.
I really enjoy your teaching 😀 and your back wall.
I always was terrified of men with mustaches when I was a small child. Very peculiar this was, both my father and grandfather wore them my whole life. When my father shaved his as a test, I cried. I don't wear any facial hair but when I tried I had already gone quite grey so, I missed my shot according to my daughters. Never had a job that cared either way. Never been an issue here at my place.
Can you make videos on history of music in the military?
I though you were going to end saying:
"their moustaches were symbols that they... deserve to be remembered!"
Years ago, I shaved my mustash when my daughter said she didn't like it. A while later, I shaved my mustache and instead of being pleased with it, she asked me to grow it back as she'd become used to seeing me with one. Plus que sa change, plus que c'est la meme chose?
I thought you might be interested to know that from 1860 to 1916, the British Army imposed mandatory dress regulations on their soldiers, including the requirement to have a mustache. ... The mustache became an official symbol of every regiment of the British Army with the passing of Command Nº 1,695 of the King's Regulations in 1906
Both I and my lengthy facial fur approve this video.
Thanks....Some say l look like a turtle without a....Beard & Mustache....So l have both in my old age... lol
If this happened today, I suspect some would be stating that the worker's fight for equal dignity is actually a fight for toxic masculinity.
None of the soldiers would have had a chance against my Roman Catholic Great Grandmother. All of the men in her house were clean shaven.
Interesting history. I was so waiting for you to have a moustache during the conclusion! But, alas!
I've been sporting a big pornstache since I was 16 years old in 1992, so I can relate. Having a huge mustache is a right. Although I do keep waiting for it to come back in style. Fingers crossed. It's the only freak flag I have left
Happy new years
Thanks. I don't doubt your account in the least, sir. But I question the 'logic' these men used to decide that moustaches were fierce (to scare their opponents, I presume); especially once most all men wore them! Were they equally scared? :) tavi.
I've had a full beard for 43 years now. Long thought a man should go either "Greek" or "Roman" a mustache being an in between oddity. That said it never fails to amaze me how complete strangers feel at liberty to publicly insult my facial hair.
You have it while out in public. They are not going to go into your home to do it. That would be rude. If you dont like the insults. Shave.
@@richwood2741 Good idea! Then I can insult his bare face. Ohh. Wait. That didn't solve the problem of rude people at all, did it?
never tell a french person how to appear in public....... wait now.
Don't pirates usually have mustaches?
Very often they do.
Mustache is sign of strength and hyper masculinity
I ordered a lesson on mustaches, with a side of history on restaurants.
And how far the French will go to hold a good strike
Very interesting piece;
I’ve fortunately been able to visit Paris a couple of times and I have enjoyed all of the people as well as all of the artistry not to mention all of the wonderful foods;
Talk about one long flight from the states,
Still one very nice weekend visit
Today, the image of a French waiter with a pencil moustache is almost stereotypical in most in the minds of most people 😁😎
Dad: " I once dated a twin"
Me: " How did you tell them apart?"
Dad: " Her brother wore a mustache."
ha ha haaa
I complimented my server on having a thick mustache. My jaw still hurts. I don't know why she took this as an insult.
You just won my "morning coffee snorted out of my nose award'" for today! Very good comment, enjoyed it tremendously!
Some people just can't take a compliment.
@@ronfullerton3162 That is sooooo funny... and it buuuurrrns!! ;^)
@@MrGaryGG48 Did it ever, but such a small price to pay for a good laugh!
Next time, don't have breakfast at the circus.
One might say that employers giving in to the demand to be allowed to wear a mustache was merely paying lip service to their complaints.
They could keep the strike going as long as they did cos they had a lot of money...
...'stached away.
Having sported a mustache for 49 years, since age 18, I stand with them!
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Mustaches are for homosexuals. It helps attract other homosexuals so they can be homosexuals together, and enjoy the scent of each other's
feces.
@@conradmcdougall3629 >>> *Dork.*
Nice to see your stache is still here with us brother! 👨👌
Conrad MacDougal lmaoolmao
As a man with a formidable mustache, I enjoyed this very much.
And in 1992 they opened Disneyland Paris, and Disney learned that people in France feel very strongly about not being told by their employer how to wear their hair.
Lakrids pibe er overvuderet
Some of us are old enough to remember strict facial hair restrictions for schools, athletic teams and various career paths.
& Disney
I believe that flight crews on airlines (at least in the US) are still not allowed to have facial hair.
Even my current job restricted beards until fairly recently. It's only recently that beards were allowed in my type of job (where the public can see me). And of course in the Navy beards were forbidden, but plenty of men had mustaches.
@@johnopalko5223 With good reason oxygen masks dont fit very well in an emergency.
When I joined the FBI in '88, mustaches were allowed but not beards. When I grew a beard, my supervisor took my access to a government car away. Also, only white shirts were OK. You were pushing the limit if you wore blue, but you had crossed the line with any other color.
Does it annoy anyone else when an ad interupts The History Guy when he's in the middle of explaining an historical fact?
No. I understand that the creator can designate where the YT ads will be inserted, and THG does it so that he doesn't get cut off mid-sentence. My complaint about some of the mid roll ads is their length.
@@michaelwarren2391 I wasn't aware that the creator had control of ad placement. Thanks for the info.
Here's to the mighty mustache. A most maligned follicle. Thank you for raising it up!
Dilly Dilly Old boy!
hair raising?
I am sorry to have to be "that guy" ---- well, maybe not really sorry at all ha ha ! ---- but a follicle is the little pouch in the skin that the hair actually sprouts from, it is not the hair itself.
@@goodun2974 Can't have one without the other, Mate.
@@ibannymous , true, but, is the chicken the same as the egg?🙂
Amazing. I remember a time in the Sixties when a young man couldn't get a job if he had long hair. Looking back it seems trivial, but it was a big deal at the time.
Even the last 10-20 years things have changed a lot in regards to a general acceptance of tattoos and piercings.
Same thing in the 70s when I was a teenager, long hair was still considered un-American.
In 1967 my High School football coach refused to fit me for a helmet until I got my hair cut; and it wasn't that long, just unkempt. My hair barely covered the top of my ears.
@Guy Incognito who are "THEY"?
@Guy Incognito I'm sorry that happened to you. Don't worry though, it should wear off any decade now...
How about an episode on the history of shaving in general? When did men start to remove the hair from their faces?
That must have been very long ago. The Bible already has rules forbidding Jews from shaving. So shaving must have been around thousands of years ago. Egyptian paintings already show most men clean-shaven and those paintings are 4000 years old, if not older.
It should be illegal for waiters to have a man bun!
Lol.
"man bun" is an oxymoron. nothing manly about a bun on your head .. :P
@@coling3957 If you are a man and you wear a bun, then it is manly. Just call it a topknot like the old Samarai.
Well, me being an old guy, i think a man bun looks silly; but at least keeps their hair out of your food. Now, when I was a young long-haired machinist, I tied my long hair back to avoid potential injury and death. A supervisor kept a hank of hair in his desk and showed it to new hires to remind them of what could happen if you had long hair and leaned over a spinning drill press ( I was told the guy survived without serious injury, but that had to really hurt!). Today's " fashionably long" beards probably constitute a similar or worse danger around spinning objects.
Agree.
I mean it's not like the French have a history of striking FOR EVERY REASON POSSIBLE!
This was one of several strikes in France in 1907.
There's probably a strike to protest too many strikes
I'm french and i can tell you this is 100% correct.
The French have striking down to an high art form. It seems they prefer their strikes to take place in the spring and summer.
I remember a dear friend who was a Paris police officer telling me that the French prefer to strike then so as to add to their annual summer holidays.
The French military is well known for going on strike the minute any enemy is spotted. Other militaries call this "surrendering" and it's frowned upon by them....
When I was drafted in to the Danish army in 1972 I ended up in a Hussar regiment. Naturally they had by then traded in the horses for tanks but they still kept a small squad of horse soldiers for parade purposes complete with a light blue traditional Hussar uniform like the the original Hungarian model. If I had only known how to play a trumpet or ride a horse I could have avoided a lot of slogging .. such is life :-)
You know that you're living in the First World when you're striking to wear a mustache.
Some hills are worth dying on, other less so.
Battles over hair styles are not new. It’s only first world if it involves a strike instead of guerilla warfare or attempts to overthrow an emperor (see the Chinese queue as an example)
@@kthomasaus I completely forgot about the fight over the Chinese queue. Don't forget that between 22 and 34 New Yorkers were killed in a riot at the Astor Place theater on 10 May 1849 over which actor played Hamlet better on stage.
Yep, the ol' "other people have worse problems than yours, therefore, you have no problems" commie shit.
"First world"...the prattle of the truly smug & self-righteous.
Besides, there is no longer a First World, or a Second World, or a Third World, or any other number world.
There is only the Last World, & we're in it.
Every time I shaved off my mustache (twice in my lifetime) I immediately regretted it. Won't ever happen again!
I shaved my mustachez 3 time, evry time regret it and start growing them back, we all have moment of weakness
The Hussars were the last military units allowed to wear their hair in braids in the belief that such braids were some protection against saber strokes to the neck.
a stiff collar or leather scarf might be more effective...
When metal wire was woven into the braids they did provide some protection against sabers.
@@davidwilliams1959 metal wire coven in..? good grief.
The things we did for "some" protection of the neck from saber strikes.
I served in a Hussar regiment our mustaches were exempt from the grooming standard.
I've had a moustache for most of my life. Not going without it.
I had one for around twenty years, early twenties to early fourties in age. But I gave it up when the colors red and gray started infiltrating my brown mustache. It looked horrible and I was not going to dye it. So it was gone. I always kept mine cut and trimmed. Some of the pictures in THG's video really got me in the fact it seems no maintenance or care was taken of the mustache. I would rather do without than have a rat's nest under my nose.
Same here. I've shaved it only twice once during Boot Camp and the second during the first weeks of the Police Academy. Both times as soon as I was allowed - boom! Mustache on!
Same here, I have worn a moustache ever sense I got out basic training in 88.
My moustache has been a constant companion since 1980... but it would be gone in an instant if my wife ever asked 😜😜
@@kthomasaus My wife has disallowed me from being clean-shaven. LOL
I was expelled from school for refusing to shave my moustache and cut my hair. It was the seventies after all.
They had to! After carefully examining the situation, they had no other choice that the threat caused by your hirsute upper lip presented a clear and present danger to all that would behold it, and it might possibly escape, run free and bite people in the ankles, and thus it was obvious the threat was greater than the one posed by any violation towards civil or human rights with you in particular or as government standard in general.
I was HS class of 1972. One of my sisters is 4 years older than I and was sent home from HS for wearing culottes (a split skirt) instead of a skirt. By the time I got there no one cared what we wore or how long our hair was.
@@shorttimer874 I was HS class of 68. Girls were allowed to wear slacks starting in the fall of 1969.
@@juadonna At her first Grand Ole Opry appearance in 1960, Patsy scandalized Nashville by performing in slacks, instead of a dress. Now, the whole Cyborg Assassin From The Year 3768 That's Been Through A Tree Shredder look is de rigeur.
I gotta say, I laughed about the poor Americans who were just at the wrong place at the wrong time. I can totally see myself in their shoes. "Hey! What did I do!?"
I crashed my warhorse while under the influence of a moustache.
Dear History Guy: How about doing a piece on the US Marine Corps' birthday. You have slightly less than a year to research it, until November 10, 2021. Semper fi.
"moustaches are ridiculous, but waiters should be free to wear them" why can't we have this attitude towards most other controversial topics...
well mustaches are harmless whereas many other things are not.
Many of us do have that attitude today.
Just imagine the indignity...
That of being served by a waiter with a 'tash' more impressive than one's own.
Impossible to live it down!
Always a fan of *_THE HISTORY GUY_*
If he and Ms. History Guy ever get top Western Australia, I'm buying them both a cold beer!
Wore a mustache during my 20's. Had an interesting relationship with powdered donuts during it.
That brought back memories of older women calling my mustache a "cookie duster" when I grew mine when I was in my twenties. Always loved those older people, their stories, and their humor and crazy sayings.
Right! I don't eat powdered doughnuts to this day. Mustard and mayonnaise go on the BOTTOM piece of bread in a sandwich. Moustache bath after meals is the norm.
A traditional way of showing passive dissent in the British army is to ask "permission to grow a beard sir"...
Thank you THG.
when i was in RAF 1980-1997 they were just abolishing the big whiskers you associate with early aviators. i saw one old chief technician weeping at being told he had to remove his whiskers and facial hair was limited to just above the upper lip. ppl could get "shaving chits" and grow beards - but this was temporary only. the era of the Cold War heating up in the 80's meant that anyone who needed a full beard all of the time would be out the door. the Royal Navy has been the only branch of service that traditionally allowed beards, but i think even they were "trimmed back" in the 80's.. after the Cold War there was a general loosening of regulations. but certainly by time i left moustaches only were the rule for RAF/Army that i'm aware of
@@TheInfidel_SlavaUA Nobody ever expected to get such permission, or would avail themselves of the opportunity. It's just a form of dissent that you probably won't get fizzered for...
The "scariest" facial hair I've ever seen on human beings is the extra bushy white eyebrows seen on some older British men (especially a few British actors), makes them look hawk-like.
Or maybe a bit like the wizard Merlin?
IDK, bushy nose hairs kind of scary
@@davidstoyanoff , when they're white and assume tusk-like proportions, definitely!
May have to grow my moustache again...
I might go on strike if my employer demanded that I shave my upper lip.
I did and obviously won.
What a fun and needed historic inclusion during this time. Thank you.
not finished watching but I really hope you throw on a pair of those joke glasses with the fake nose and fake mustache at some point before the video is ended LOL.
I don't know if I can trust the guy on this subject. He's suspiciously clean-shaven.
When I was in the US Navy in 1985 we had to put in a chit request to grow a Mustache and one to grow a beard in 1979 but beards were no longer permitted after 1980 in the US Navy. Not sure if the practice is still going on for Mustaches?
In modern(post WW1) armies shaved face was/is about a tightly fitting gas mask. In navy you still need breathing apparatus for damage control, I guess.
@@marrs1013 - yes we did and that was the argument for their demise.
You don't need a chit to grow a moustache (MM 2001-2007), you just need to follow the grooming standards.
@@edwardrhoades6957 - yea by 1981 it just changed to the grooming standard. Because when sailors just didn’t shave their comment was, I’m growing a beard, but when beards were no longer allowed you wouldn’t just shave you chin and not you mustache area so it had to be inside your lip area. Besides you had to be able to grow a full beard when putting in a chit. No scraggly ass beards were allowed like my face at the time. I was a kid in a mans world. 40 facial hairs didn’t count as a beard including my mustache area.
I grew a moustache over the summer between my junior and senior year in high school and kept it all through my senior year. It wasn't very impressive, but was important to me.
There were two other guys in our senior class of 300+ who had moustaches. When graduation time came around it was announced over the intercom that we who wore moustaches would not be allowed to take part in the graduation ceremonies unless we shaved them off. No one spoke directly to any of us so I just as quietly declined and showed up with my moustache intact. The other two guys had shaved. Not a word was said about mine and I walked across the stage moustache intact and head held high.
Though I had shaving gear with me and would have shaved it off if challenged directly, it didn't happen.
I learned some lessons about civil disobedience from that. Except for a couple of times when I shaved it off for a lark, I've had a moustache ever since. I'm 70 now. and I've been allowing it to get more fluffy the last few months, though it has increased maintenance issues.
I agree with the article that maintained mustaches are a vanity, and therefore absurd, but as a matter of principle, people should have the right to be absurd.
I hear mustache and I think of that fellow from tank chats, David Fletcher.
Thank you THG for a whimsical & entertaining presentation making Monday morning more bearable. 🐱
He does have an impressive 'stache.
The meeting of the bow tie and the mustache! I forgot that you have personal experience with that place and those people. It's been about a year now hasn't it? Always a treat when they use your message to pramote donation end subscription at the end of one of them their videos.
This would have been a great opportunity to feature the famous francophile Ian from forgotten weapons
America 2020 we need health care but won't strike.
France 1907 we want moustaches and will strike.
I can't help but think about the song from "A Million Ways To Die In The West".
The waiters were not allowed to have "soup strainers"?
When my Dad grew a full beard in the 1970's, his mother, our grandmother would NOT look him in the eye and would barely speak to him. I was too young to understand her reaction and we were just 'hill folks'. She would have grown up with beard wearing men, but it was a sign of 'low breeding' not manliness, as far as she was concerned.😅
I vote with your grandma!
@@jb6027 nah only ppl who cant grow facial hair hate it
I last shaved my upper lip the day I graduated High School. It has been so many years I never think much about it. Funny how people don't change, the things we "fuss" about change but people don't really change
I've never once shaved mine! Trim it weekly, but never shaved it. I'm 43 now.
Same for me. I graduated high school in 1971
I did the exact same thing. We weren’t allowed to have facial hair in high school. I got yelled at more than once not to come to school the next day with hair on my upper lip. Even got sent to the dean of boys office once. Got a lecture on how ridiculous mustaches looked in modern times. And when I got older I would understand this. So when I graduated, I grew a mustache, probably for revenge at the time. I’ve worn it ever since. It’s been 50 years now. I wonder how the dean of boys would feel about that!
I grew a mustache as soon as I could at the age of 16, and it has been on my face ever since. The mustache is another victim of the pandemic - alas, all of our glorious facial hair is hidden beneath a mask. *sigh* Thanks, HG, for bringing the mustache to the forefront of style once again!!
Waxed and waned, eh? That's funny right there.
I myself don't have a mustache because I inherited my father's weak upper lip. However, I have not shaved my beard or had my hair cut since 1975. I have saved so much money on haircuts that I could afford to take up smoking. Nyok nyok nyok.
9:10 Wow, really? That'd be a funny jail cell conversation.
"So what are you in for?"
"Killed a guy. What about you?"
"I told my employees not to have mustaches."
RUclips is getting hard to watch. No one is willing to watch commercials less than a minute into a video.
I have regular commercials of over 10 min, up to half an hour, even. I can live with a short ad near the beginning, but those long ass ads, I skip.
You should’ve grown a few day mustache for this one. Lol
I’m very proud of mine. Even though it’s always been so light that it never shows up on photos. Lol
Some of those moustaches are just plain gravity defying... How was that possible back in the day? Did they use gel back then? Or some other hair product for styling?
Bernard Cornwell, in one of the Sharpe's Rifles novels, describes a British sergeant getting his moustache tarred - applying hot tar to maintain the shape. I think wax was more common.
They typically used beeswax.
A wax & tallow mix was the most common. Still is no need to reinvent the wheel.
@@hbtrustme7196 That sounds somewhat dangerous... Was there anything written about the temperature?
@@TheHistoryGuyChannel Interesting... I'm guessing either they used soft, warm beeswax or there were special products made from bees wax and other ingredients especially for facial hair right? Similar to modern beard styling products.
I'm French and don't associate manhood with "La Moustache, Le guidon de vélo (hadnlebars)....", and son many other argotic terms that were common until the second WW. However it's true that at the time and since Emperor Napléon III's time and especially during the 3rd Republic, France promoted an image of the "Gaulois Chevelu" or the long haired Gaul as the national heroic ancestor type, who was always depicted with a long "moustache" this is so true that if you look at most pictures of French soldiers during WW I you will see a big imposing upper lip appendage. These "poilus" or hairy soldiers were the heroes of the nation.
Less than 10 years later many had to shave because of gas masks they needed to wear.
The first restaurant wasn't opened in France. A fast food joint was unearthed from underneath the ashes in Pompeii just recently
I noted your "Grogu" on your shelf and had to check back episodes to see if it was new. I guess someone had a good Christmas!
"One newspaper mocked that the waiters would just strike again when mustaches went out of style."
Of course they would. They're French. Baseball is said to be the great American pastime. In France, it's strikes.
I grew a moustache as a young police officer in 1981in order to look older and because it was just what cops wore back then. Now, 40 years later, my wife bristles at any suggestion that I shave it off. I think she would appreciate this video.
I watch the adds in case doing so helps your channel. Does it?
Bottom line, yes, we get more compensation if you watch through the ads. Personally I find RUclips premium worth the subscription, that way you skip the ads but the creators still get compensation.
@@TheHistoryGuyChannel I'm glad to hear that Premium compensates you adequately. We switched over and love it, but I was a little worried about the creators. Thanks!
As a teenager, I adored the boys with the bushy mustache from college. Now I hate facial hair on med but I am in my 50s snd my view carries no weight.
In Chicago the old famous restaurants always had the head waiter with the big mustache. However. Pepe la Pew had the skinny type I think of as so French!
Great research and story! Thanks.
As a man with a BIG mustache I must say what a great video!!
I am even MORE French , as I sport a “pencil thin” mustache.
In my mind it's hard to imagine a French waiter without a pencil moustache 🤔😁😎
The Boston Blackie kind?
How 1940s
history guy needs to grow a mustache :p
Was there ever a beard protest in history ? Haha i know some King passed a law saying nobody was allowed to grow a beard !
Tsar Peter the Great made his nobles cut their beards off.. part of his modernising of Russia
Yes, and that may well be a future episode.
Atatürk banned the turks from wearing a fez in 1925 as part of his modernizing reforms.
The fez was introduced in a modernisation reform in 1826 by Sultan Mahmud II.
I don't remember if this channel has an episode on the fez, but it probably does.
In France waiters were called
"garçon" which means "boy" in French.
Well..the French aren't know for there men.
Keith Adams • I don’t get the joke…
You never disappoint. I remember the strict grooming standards we had in the Marines; a senior Machine gunner wore a mustache just to try out the grooming standards. He looked different, to say the least. Lol
My favorite mustache belonged to the last Hussar, Field Marshall August Von Mackensen.
Very interesting, thank you!
Well! Very interesting. I am a conservative Mennonite. Many of our brethren will not wear a moustache with their beard. As most of you already know, most of our Amish cousins are the same, saying that back in Europe a moustache represented the military, which they don't want to emulate. But I never knew all the background history until now. I will keep my short moustache. I am an American. But now I know what they are talking about.
Thank you. I have been enlightened about one facet of my church.
Wait a minute. If you are a Mennonite, what the heck are you doing on the internet?!
@@cplcabs
Good question.
As one of the few who was not born into the church, it is one item I have not given up. Also unusual I am a veteran and have been to college. That was decades before I found the church.
In virtually everything else I gladly conform very well. And am glad to.
@@michaeldougfir9807 Thanks for you reply. I honestly thought that you had no choice. I also didn't know you could just join which I suppose makes me a tad ignorant really.
I think Darrell Duppa (the English Gentleman/cowboy/Arizona pioneer who saved Phoenix from being named "Pumpkinville) was one of the most interesting characters in the history of the west, but you almost never hear anything about him. Would you consider talking about "Lord Duppa"?
Viv la moustache!
George Steinbrenner has a rule that all employees especially New York Yankees players can't have any facial hair except mustaches!
had*
In the 1970s, the Oakland Athletics used to pay a small bonus to players who wore moustaches. It's hard to imagine Rollie Fingers or Catfish Hunter without one😁😎
@@kenoglesby5840 That was probably the only bonus they got from Charlie O!
@@kenoglesby5840 Goose Gasage was clean shaven for a while
@k henne He always reminded me of the late Wrestler Ox Baker!
When I got out of the 1st and 10th CAV in 1979 I went to apply to work at a Les Schwab Tire Store only to be told I would have to shave My Cavalry Handlebar Moustache...They allowed zero facial hair and I never did work for them .And I still have the 'Stash
Another great episode.
I attended Norwich University, the oldest private military college in the US, graduating in 1987. The growing and wearing of a properly trimmed moustache was a privilege reserved only for senior (final year) cadets.
In 1986 I grew my moustache, and have worn it ever since. With a 30 day exception in the 1990s when I shaved my moustache to raise money for a charity and my supervisory colleague, who had always been clean shaven, grew a moustache for the same 30 days. It was done for a good cause.
After leaving the military, I began shaving my head (courtesy of male pattern baldness) and cultivating a handlebar moustache, which I kept neatly waxed and trimmed. While from time to time, mostly during the cold Maine winters, I grow an accompanying beard, the large, handlebar moustache has been a fixture in my life. I can not imagine looking in the mirror and seeing a clean shaven upper lip.
By a weird coincidence, I just found out that there's a group trying to prohibit employers from firing people because of their hairstyles. The more things change, the more they stay the same.