British guitarist analyses Return to Forever's technical MASTERY!
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- Опубликовано: 18 фев 2021
- Tonight we're taking a look at Return to Forever focusing in on the requested Chick Corea and Al Di Meola live back in 1976!
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TIME STAMPS -
1:08 Performance
4:16 Analysis Start
6:38 Guitar
9:42 Al's Face Melting
10:39 Performance Resumption
11:52 Chick's Musical Journeys
15:42 Performance Resumption
12:22 Lead Ability
14:15 Deceptive Difficulty!
20:38 Composing
20:59 Chick's Bb
Oh how I wish Bill Connors were here = VERY different ,sweeter, melodic, sound !
I saw these guys at the Mann center in Philly awhile ago
What a monster musician Chick Corea was, such technique and improvisational ability. Of course Al DiMeola is no slouch himself.
I primarily listen and play hard rock/metal myself, but I knew Al was from another planet on the Friday Night in San Francisco album with McLaughlin and Paco de Lucia and he was keeping up and in some cases running scales faster than them on a steel string acoustic while flat picking.
Thanks. It's good to see someone paying tribute to the great Chick Corea.
Everyone is improvising in the key.
To an unbelievable preformance.
Next level built off of a simple riff.
The drummer is so tight.. Keeping all the tasty soup together and stirring the pot.. Thanks professor 😃 🎸 rock 🎸
Jazz fusion from the best of the best--this journey back to '76, was smooth, rich , funky and plaintive--Chick had it all. \m/
A whole other level is correct. Mastery by each band member. This band was breathtaking live. Thank you for this analysis.
RIP Chick Corea. The term "genius" is overused, but it certainly applies to Chick.
One of the things Al does so well is transition speeds in the middle of a long line. He sounds like he has an analog dial on him which you can ramp in either direction and he just moves from 64th notes to 32nd to 16th etc so smoothly.
Great the way you explain the journey and then coming back and not leave us out there. Wonderful 😉
Fil always brings us back home!
@@lynndow3185 Yeah !
I saw Chick and Al together on stage and it was absolutely incredible. Chick' came to Albuquerque's jazz fest often and each year it was amazing craftmen at work. Al Di got me into jazz fusion in college, I was hooked! Cheers, and nice vid.
It was this very performance shown here that I discovered not only the band but jazz fusion itself this was in UK on tv
This is like watching Olympian gods performing for our humble human audiences.
Right! I mentioned, somehow aliens inject these guys with this genetic ability in the womb. Not of this earth, are these men.
I had the distinct privilege of attending a RTF concert back in May 1975 at Constitution Hall billed with The Becker Brothers and Larry Coryell, who just released his Vanguard masterpiece "A Restful Mind." RTF was promoting "No Mystery" and played lots from their backlog including "Where Have I Known You Before." Their musicianship and artistry were off the charts!
I've been waiting for a DVD from the concert for 20 years. The whole concert is one of the best I know.
The artists leave us, but their music will live forever to inspire others.
I love your videos. They cheer me up in this difficult time.
Classic Fusion, Classic RTF! (As a bass player I'm giving shout out to Stanley Clarke!) You nailed this analysis Fil🤘😎
Thanks!
last Stanley was just bass boss on this one.
What wonderful music. I could listen to this all day long. I'm going to replay this so I can better understand everything that's going on.
I remember buying the album “Romantic Warrior” in 1976 and being mesmerised. As the host of this video reiterates, these are four guys are absolute masters of their instruments, and together they are totally unique. For me this was the best album they made together before they went their separate ways. Al DiMeola’s almost simultaneous album “Land of the Midnight Sun” was pretty much RTF playing Al’s compositions 😊 I still get goosebumps …and a smile when I listen to this. Thank you for the breakdown, it makes it even more special.
Romantic Warrior i have this Lp and seen this band they put on a great show Jazz fusion RIP Chick
My nephew is 17 years old and plays music by ear. He is self taught in electric guitar, bass, saxophone and now in jazz guitar. He plays very well and really into Chick Corea. He had informed me of his demise. I'm very supportive of his talents in music. I knew you'd do a video on him. He will really appreciate your evaluation and tribute to him. Your the best Fil!
Thanks!
There's nobody who could keep up with Chick's competence on jazz keys. I sleep every night to Chick Corea, often with Gary Burton. I love the "conversations" they have between their instruments. Back and forth. So relaxing. I don't sleep well as a personal trait, so it's got to be special music to help. I will really miss his soothing tunes. Not to discount him in all other forms at all. Of course I've got maybe 20 albums of Chick's.
So true. So Chick and Herbie play back-to-back Steinway Grand Piano's in SF. I think it was in 1978, I remember that concert because Herbie was talking to the crowd and was mentioning the way Chick Corea would "tell jokes with his fingers" then said "like . . . . " and I yelled "CHICO MARX" to which Herbie said: "Exactly".
Rest in Peace, Chick Corea. Thanks Fil.
Hard to believe I attended this tour in Minneapolis in 77 I believe. It was my first concert and I didn't know anything about RTF. Thats how I got into jazz.
i love the way chick corea incorporates other genres of music such as classical music into jazz fusion!!!! chick corea had such immaculate touch where we all can say that chick corea was "LIGHT AS A FEATHER"!!!!!!!!,,,,no pun intended !!!!,,,,,,,R.I.P. CHICK COREA !!!!!!!!!!!
I saw RTF, Al Di, Stanley, and Chick with Herbie H in concert, through the years.
Always a great show from these master musicians.
Most memorable was Stanley Clark doing a 15 minute School Days bass solo, while standing on my table, at the Chestnut Cabaret in Philly.
In front his home town crowd, with his wife on keyboards.
the sound of the live concert is incredible. so clear. Fil's mind is being blown away. I listened to this band lots in the late 80s, specifically No Mystery and Romantic Warrior albums
Damn. You're analysis was truly spot on. As usual. I purchased this album in 76 when I was 15 out of genuine curiosity at the new sound, well, to my ears at the time. I really didn't appreciate it and truly get into it until a few years afterwards. A masterpiece
What a wonderful treasure!
Gosh, I know that tune, I seem to remember Lenny White wrote it. Like you said, all master players and one of my favorite bass players, Stanley!
At the beginning, I saw Chick's Fender Rhoades and chuckled while remembering the ad that ran for months in every music magazine. Yeah, lots of old teenage memories wrapped up in this one for me. Thanks for sharing!
This is FANTASTIC! Thank you SO MUCH, FIL!!!
Sorceress from Romantic Warrior (1976). Soo good man. Great stuff. Rest in Power Chick Corea.
Excellent. Very enjoyable jazz. Signature phrases going on throughout to keep you involved. Sounds like the drums and bass are putting in accents like a horn section would play.
RTF were taking such big chances and soaring like eagles. There were daring and living on the edge. SO cool.
Attended a Return to Forever concert back in the 70's. Was fortunate to get seats in the second row front. Absolutely awesome band! They made it look so easy. Talent overload!!
For a vocal interpretation of a Chick Corea piece, see Gary Valenciano's cover of "Spain" on the Wish 107.5 RUclips channel, (a bus in the Philippines converted into a radio station/studio.) , or there is the same song by the trio of Al DiMeola, John McLaughlin, and Paco de Lucia. R.T.F.'s reunion tour in 2008 showed they hadn't lost a step. (As far as the "B" note - I thought it was unintentional. I thought It was probably an unfamiliar or malfunctioning synth rented for the U.K. gigs. Both times he tried it, it had a really different and drastic vibrato sound, and both times he abandoned it immediately, rather than trying to make it fit better by repetition or by linking it with chromatic notes.) There are also some Y.Tube videos of DiMeola and Steve Vai jamming.
Love anything by or with Al!
I've attempted to transcribe some of Chick's Rhodes solos... esp parts of Song of the Pharoah Kings... you just realise what a genius he was... one of the greatest of all time.
thanks for the analysis. sometimes I feel like a wordless ape pointing at a beautiful moon and grunting when i talk about my jazz heros! glad you give it swing. didnt know you cared about this kind of music. new respect!
I saw these guys 14 years ago for their reunion tour. May have been the most musically satisfied I’ve been at any concert.
Dang!. That sound! I haven't heard that in so long. Great find, presentation and analysis. I have to go web surfing for more of their stuff again. Great job! 🤘
Would love to have seen this band but did see Al DI live in San Francisco about 5 years back and was in 3rd row! A show i will never forget!
Interesting sounding grove
That was really different, I loved it .
Saw this tour at Berkeley Community Theater!
Chick Corea's music really did change my life, especially Three Quartets with Michael Brecker, Steve Gadd, and Eddie Gomez and the original acoustic Return to Forever with Airto, Flora, and Joe Farrell. To me, Chick represents all that is possible in music... technique, style, compositionally, anything. There was no weakness. Another great album is Lyric Suite for Sextet on ECM which is a string quartet plus Chick on piano and Gary Burton on vibraphone....seamless integration of contemporary classical and jazz style and composition.
I went through a phase of listening to fusion music. I was pretty good friends with a jazz student at University and he would let me in on the technical details. Chick was like Miles Davis since he was willing to let young talent share the stage with him. I had many albums of RTF, but also I started listening to Lyle Mays and Pat Metheny who carried on the tradition of Chick's fusion journey.
In fact, Chick went to North Texas State University in Denton and helped the One O'clock Jazz Lab Band make an album, and played on it. The keyboardist for that class was Lyle Mays, and there is a collaborational song with the two. Amazing person.
So fantastic. Hard to believe a jazz "fusion" act could sell so well. Times have changed.
thanks Fil. Chick a giant . Light as a feather a classic album with songs like Spain. Weather Report was another heavy fusion band with the legend Jaco Pastorius on bass. Songs like Birdland are classics.
Remember watching this performance at the time, was instantly turned onto this band and Stanley Clarke. And later on to jazz from this jazz fusion.
Thanks for this. RIP Chick🕊
When you speak of the degree of difficulty of singing and playing; making your instrument sing and play the melody is genius level.
The last time I saw Chick was when he toured with the bluegrass banjo player Bela Fleck. That was weird watching Chick playing Bluegrass. But I did go and see the trio during the Live from San Francisco tour. Three guys tapping their feet and playing amazing acoustic guitar segueing between each of their songs. When I asked my older brother who was playing, he said three acoustic guitarists. I asked who else? He said that is it, only three of them. I told him no way just three guitar players could fill an auditorium. I was very mistaken. the place was packed. The performance was absolutely electric, pardon the PUN!!!
Excellent choice. Another great video.
How popular were they in South Florida? Well I was able to walk up to the ticket counter and buy 8 seats on the center front row. (that's all I could afford) . RTF was my favorite group back then. I had no time for Styx, Journey, etc. I would admit DiMeola had been my fave Guitar player for decades. That has changed. RUclips has exposed me to other players and Styles. Mark Knopfler , Steve Howe, SRV, David Gilmore all taught me how songwriting and melody are as important as speed.
Still thrilled I got to see Al 4 times in concert. Al, John and Paco together was special. But every member of RTF, Weather Report, Zappa, etc were extraordinary. I also learned you could get burned combing through the record stores looking for music. Reading the back of album covers, looking for amazing artist was a normal thing for me and my friends. But it didn't always produce great music. That's what it was like when you didn't follow the pop charts. RIP Wayne Shorter.
✨ Chick Corea ✨
Rest in peace
Thanks, Fil! 🖤
The concert where Chick's mini moog gone bad. He was so professional to handle it immediately.
RIP Chick. Thanks for posting a memorial video.
Not my cup of tea for music but once again you brought me a new perspective and appreciation. Thank you oh mighty FilGuru.
I ran across you on you tube. I don’t play guitar at all but it’s my favorite instrument to listen to. I love to learn the technical aspects from you. And I’m sure this has been said many times but I “wait for it” Fil your smile is just charming.
Thanks!
Wow!!!👌👌👌👌...Chick Corea..a great of Jazz, great innovator in music a great keyboardist, composer a Super Star.... rest in peace🙇🙇🙇 no more words ... The detailed analysis you do is first class very good and excellent professional I liked it a lot I congratulate you👏👏👏👏🎹🎸👍👍👍✔💯👊🤘🤘
Great job as usual, Fil - you're the HENRY PURCELL of our time, and CHICK will go down in history as the J S BACH of fusion, and thanks for anything AL: "For you, the day you tried to challenge Al DiMeola, you lost everything dear to you. But for Al, it was Tuesday...." AL remains unmatched, yin&yang of technical perfection, only percussionist on guitar I've ever heard, ..."forgive them, Father, 'cause they don't know who they're messing with...."
Too good Fil.
ROCK!
:-))
I was introduced to Return To Forever by what I can only call a serendipitous accident. In what does feel like a forever ago, I had one of my bouts of birthday, an affliction that strikes with relentless regularity. To make me feel better, a friend gave me a RTF album, “Romantic Warrior.” He had no idea what was on the album and neither did I at that moment. He had picked it out based solely on the vibe he got from the album’s cover. Once it got to the turntable it turned out that we both loved it. So choosing a good cover artist really can make a difference when it comes to sales. I’m sure that the covers of both “Brain Salad Surgery” and “Diamond Dogs” had positive retail effects.
Final note, finally: listening/watching that RTF live performance, I was struck by the realisation that they played so tightly together, while still allowing for in-the-pocket solos, that they were one of the few ensembles that could successfully play a Frank Zappa composition.
Thank you for the video! I value my enjoyment of it. 😎🎶🎸🎶👍🏻
just amazing
I bought romantic warrior loved it and Al s solo album came out almost same time
You are on it on your analysis ! grew up listening to RTF , Stanley. Playin along(fretless b) such groove, love it! Stanley!!
I would LOVE to see you do a video on the music of the original jazz rock band (again the original) Mahavishnu Orchestra. I love RTF but if you thought they were top notch, I would love to see you watching McLaughlin, Cobham, Hammer. Laird and Jerry Goodman
i really have only had an ear for guitar and vocals but not bass. i used to always turn the bass down when listening to music. however, Stanley Clarke with RTF was the only bass guitarist i could discern clearly and liked so much. I cannot name another bass player that is compelling to me (oh, except Ralphe Armstrong
, who was also brilliant).
Incredible performance. Would love to see you react to Larry Coryell at some point.
Al shredding. Met him at a gym we both worked out at many years ago. Nicest guy. He clearly enjoyed talking music with a non-musician fan.
Chick Corea was an extraterrestrial.
Stanley Clarke. This happens every time I listen to RtF, I can't get over him, consistently spectacular.
So glad I saw them live with Frank Gambale
4 of the greatest musicians on the planet. My ex bassist had a handle on Stanely Clarke.(he practically worshipped him) He asked could I play Al Dimeola, I started laughing, & said I'll never be that good. Great musicians.
Spooky Great !! :)
I just viewed a vid of Mideval Overture which opened this appearance. It just was rec'd ! Had forgotten how good Romantic Warrior was.
Fortunate enough to see Al open for Weather Report at Winterland and with the Trio, Davies SF but never got to see Chick.
Rest In Peace, Mr Corea. Akoustic Band is a fave.
ha, sorta cool bit is Stanley and Lenny are black and Al and Chick are white.
Sorta reminds me of Tony Williams LifeTime "Believe It" where Alan Pasqua and Allan Holdsworth are white and Tony Williams and Tony Newton are black. Inconsequential but cool.
SUPERB! ♥️🎼🎶🎵🇨🇦
I got to see Chick and Return to Forever in a Detroit jazz club back in the early 70s, but thry had a sax player instead of guitar at that time. So it was really cool to see this version of the group with Al De Miola, one of the greatest jazz rock guitarists of all time. Another fine analysis, Fil!
You saw the original line up with Joe Farrell, Airto and Flora?
'I am subbed to all these channels and only a couple of them seem to care. Always feels a bit like home here! Also,Nice expressions of elements where words can be difficult to apply. Thanks Fil
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Virtuosos every one of them
BTW THE LIGHTING AND ENCLOSED AREA WAS SO HOT CHICK'S MINI MOOG KEPT GOING OUT OF TUNE THATS WHY YOU SEE STANLEY TURN AWAY AT FIRST AND CHICK STARTS LAUGHING. COMMON PROBLEM BACK IN THE 70'S ALSO DRUMMER LENNY WHITE IS ALSO RELATED TO VERDINE WHITE (AS WELL AS THE DRUMMER) FROM EARTH WIND AND FIRE. AND THE GUITARIST IS LIKE A VERY YOUNG AL DIMEOLA
Thanks Fil. Your analysis was great. I can get so lost in this music... Corea & DiMeola have such talent. I'd kinda gotten away from it, now want to go back & give everything a new listen.
I saw rtf ages ago. I found the music a bit difficult to listen to at first. But I grew to appreciate the level of expertise all of them had. I saw dimeola many times in concert. Had a ton of his albums. Stanley was amazing as well.
This got by me the other day. No doubt about it a whole lot of professional talent on that stage. I appreciate their talent.👏 I'm grateful that you appreciate all kind of music. When you explain I don't always get it, some of it I do. That's only because of the way you explain it. It's not my cup of tea Fil, I could not listen to this all day. Maybe because I'm not a musician? What can I say I guess I know what I like. I don't mean that as sarcasm. I listen but my ear is not always tuned into certain music. Have a wonderful evening and a good day off tomorrow. I know you will still be working. love ya❤
Love these guys. Their music got me laid alot!
I needed a cigarette 🚬😘
Lenny white in the tuxedo shirt.. that was a 70s look lol. Young Stanley, young AL and CHICK.. I witnessed them live in Philly in the early 80s and it was a sellout. I remember sitting n the balcony wishing I could have sat closer. Lol.
I noticed one disconnect in the beat where drums, guitar and bass do the 'da- da----da' beat, but Chick usually triples it doing a straight 'da-da-da' without the pause between the 2nd and 3rd beats (around 11:13). You can better hear it on the album.
So Fil, what were you doing when that aired? Thanks for getting these masters out there!
You can see how they influenced Snarky Puppy. Fil- have you reacted to them already? I recommend the live vid of them doing Lingus: We Like It Here.
This was four incredible musicians performing their craft to perfection. I enjoyed the video and your analysis very much. I know you have covered Alison Krauss and Union Station before but if you get the time, which I know is a short commodity, would you analyze their live performance of Bright Sunny South. I cut my teeth on 60's rock and roll but the level of playing by all musicians in that video deserves respect, as does any talented artist. The song is about a young boy from the South answering the call of the confederacy. It is an old song but I love the song for the quality of the performance not the content.
Love it.
Fil - you've probably heard of It Bites. I think Frank Dunnery is a hugely under-rated guitarist. Fancy analysing one of their performances on RUclips? There's two great live concerts, one in Japan and one in the UK.
I always go to see Al Dimeola when he comes to Detroit. I asked him if he thought the three of them would get back together for a tour. John, Al and Paco. He gave me a blank stare and was silent. Now, Paco is gone.
Jazz ,,, latin beats ,,, prog rock ,,, a fusion of styles.
Chick seemed to be having trouble with the settings on his Moog......
chick, stanley, al and Lenny.........one of the greatest fusion jazz groups EVER......
Stanley laying it down...🙂
9:42 melodic lines to... melt your face (;-)
'Takes you on a journey' ,, Yes ,,, that's the whole point of their music,, Sights and Sounds..
Kool Fil im thinking you don't find that style of music nowadays the thing is its hard to find a sing that hasn't been written already lol
Fusion and Prog Rock was very similar, only distinction i can find is that Prog had lyrics. Fusion was all about the mastery of techniques of the musicians
Trivial observation: wats up with pat metheny and chick wearing those black and white striped shirts?
There is a strong Gilbert and Sullivan vibe. Kidding! Love Pat too. Great live shows. The musicianship of RTF is truly impossible to absorb.
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chick was just amazing Fil.
did you ever take a look at Al's playing like race with the devil?
Not yet!
Perish the thought that you should have a bit of a B in your bonnet here, Fil! Masterful performance - as you'd expect. The same applies to your analysis. It's really a matter of taste, I suppose, but I actually prefer the playing of Al's predecessor, Bill Connors. There are a few examples of Bill's very varied work on YT, should you have the urge to feature him sometime, Fil. Thanks, as always, C.