VECNA (God of the Upside Down) STRANGER THINGS Explained
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- Featured in Stranger Things, Vecna is an entity aligned with the Upside Down and the main antagonist of season four. He began as the human Henry Creel who discovered he had remarkable psychokinetic abilities at a young age.
Motivated by a nihilistic and cynical philosophy, his ultimate goal is to unleash the malevolence and corrupting nature of the Upside Down into the real world.
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The upside down before Henry seemed peaceful with the first demogorgon he sees not attacking him and mindflayer never trying to attack us before Henry. Would be a fascinating twist if the mindflayer before Henry was a peaceful ruler and henry came and turned it into hell. Does fit with the theme of Henry corrupting everything he touches.
he is the mindflayer, they show him crafting it
@@lizanderson9624 he manipulates and controls it because we see it existed before Henry and there was a system with there being demo creatures so it was clearly sentient before henry and after
@@lizanderson9624 he essentially put his mind on it and mind controls the mindflayer in a way it seems.
vecna isn't the mind flayer nor controlling it. The mind flayer is like the brain of the upside down, a giant gas-like being that can possess and control the creatures that live within it. vecna just gave the mind flayer its form
@@centralkaufci I mean Henry clearly controls the mindflayer though and the duffers have said he does for example we see the mindflayer being used by Henry in season 1,2 and 3 with Henry controlling all the creatures to his will not mindflayers.
An interesting thing to note is that the music helps for sure. It helped his dad. He likely didn't realize that the music was limiting his abilities upon his dad and continued to keep forcing himself until he fell into a coma.
“Like the DMV where I learnt the truth about despair” 😂
You and me both, buddy
He's definitely one of those villains you feel deep satisfaction seeing get their ass kicked, because you know every single bit of pain the bastard experiences is not only deserved but so damn cathartic.
Facts, I actually really like his character but it’s satisfying mostly cuz he’s so full of himself and thinks he’s untouchable.
@@Zero-pz6jo yes, watching him lose control and experience fear and frustration was very satisfying. I still think he's not anywhere near as in control as he thinks he is, I would love the revelation that in the end he was just a disposable puppet of the Mind Flayer or something higher rather than the end all be all boss.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 Same even in a DND thread it says "When a mind flayer aligns with another creature, it has already plotted how and when it will betray its new ally." so maybe this will give vecna a wake up call and prove he was never the “predator” he thought he was.
@@Zero-pz6jothat’s terrifying. It’s literally TrustNoOne
I had kinda given up on this show, I liked it but I thought the amount of time that had passed would hurt the show but man I'm pleasantly surprised because this was way more terrifying and better than season 3 in every way.
I am soo happy with this season of Stranger Things.
They really snapped back from s2 & 3.
Vecna is awesome. the acting is good. The horror that we felt in season 1 is back and it's great!
I thought Season 2 was pretty good but 4 is definitely up there with season 1.
apart from all the loose ends and the absence of logic (ie. the upside down was confirmed as being toxic to breath.. the town having a GATE intersect at the church/clock tower but then you literally go back to that scene with police tape marking off the area, but an apparent lack of any upside down spores, and yes, Max shouldnt have been brought "back" id assume she is going to be a vegetable now anyway given the blankness of her mind.)
@@justinroser6833 It wasn't confirmed. The lab thought it was toxic. But it obviously takes some time to effect people if Will was there for so long.
I was a bit confused about the gates too but my guess is the gates were fairly inert because Vecna was so badly hurt. It took a few days for him to recover enough to set things in motion. If locals blocked off area for the feds while they investigated the gates then boom. It works out.
What if while he heals, Vecna possess Max's body? No one will believe them until Owens arrives, if he is even still alive. Sullivan won't.
yes this is season 2 for me, and s2/3 were optional s1.1 and s1.2 to me
so rare that a show comes back from its mistakes
Season 3 was brilliant, loved the Russian who kept popping up like a poundland terminator 🤣
It was crazy to see how Eleven was able to tap into the vines of Vecna's dreamscape leading me to believe that she will probably take control of all of the creatures of the upside down and kill his physical form or his superior form, the Mindflayer.
They do have the same powers with 11 actually being stronger, so it would make sense that she can do everything he can in the upside down.
Nope. There are clues, remember the creator likes D&D. The main villian I’m D&D is the red dragon boryos or whatever. Do you remember the scenes where they’re playing D&D ? And there was great focus on the dragon ? There was other scenes as well with dragons. They’re foreshadowing the main strongest villain.
Vecna gives me Freddy Krueger vibes he is a great new stranger things villain. I also like the Doctor Manhattan theme playing while he was telling his origin story to eleven.
He kinda sounds like freddy Krueger from the remake.
Making Robert Englund playing his father quite hilarious yet clever
hes like if remake freddy was better
@@ThatSexyNerdReacts correct.
@@chorizoconhuevo8927 He kinda does.
I REALLY hope they either explain or softly retcon Vecna having ABSOLUTE control over the Upside Down, cause it’s just weird, and makes more sense for him to be a very powerful (as Dustin says) “General” of the Mindflayer
It seems like a cop out to make an entire other universe controllable by just a powerful psychic
He has influence over it, but I dont think he has ABSOLUTE control over it. It existed before Eleven sent him there and will exist long after he died. I think he did transform it to resemble a parallel dimension of Hawkins from memory though
We see that Vecna gets sent to a barren wasteland, where the Demogorgons, Demodogs and Mind Flayer already existed - It might be more accurate to say The Upside Down is a psychic projection of Vecna, like how Vecna can be physically in the house in the Upside Down, but also attacking Eleven in the Upside Down, we even see Max leave the regular Upside Down and enter Vecna's (mind?) red place.
I'd love to see the rest of the dimension explored
The narrative, as is, is completely fine.🙄 There's nothing wrong with the Story as is. The USD existed before he got there. It's the same as finding molten metal. The element was always here. We didn't create it. We just mold and shape it into what we desire it to be. How is that any different?
@@wadewilson8011 it’s just kind of unsatisfying
@@thewyit4222 to you, but not to me. It tied up many loose ends. I'll take a plot twist over unanswered questions any day. That's why I hate spoilers.
Ngl, as nice as Vecna was as a villain, it felt like a let down to see him be the one who essentially formed the upside down as we know it. While the concept of “man being the monster” is always interesting to explore, it wasn’t needed in the Stranger Things story. Humankind making mistakes is already seen in the US government’s testing of kids, and the Russian government’s attempts to bend the upside down to its’ will. Vecna being the “big bad” takes away some of the existential dread of the Mind Flayer. That Lovecraftian horror element is kind of lost with Vecna, even if Season 4 is a nice continuation of the show.
EDIT: I’ve gotten a lot of notifications of people commenting “The upside down existed long before Vecna. He didn’t create it.” I know that. When I said that Vecna “formed” the upside down “as we know it,” I meant that he shaped what was there into the evil realm we are familiar with in the show. Apologies if my original wording wasn’t specific enough.
Things are scarier when they're unknown - I don't know why writers always love to lore drop so much that the audience knows everything about the setting - it just destroys the mystique of it all
when was it revealed he created the upside down??
@@petnaby they're literally the DMs...
@@TCG9777 thoughts exactly!
Exactly! Kind of anticlimactic.
I got the sense that there really is no mindflare. It was just particles that Henry molded into the shape of a spider,which he now controls. But it's more of a symbol, rather than its own sentient being.
yeah this make sense since the other mind flayer was created from human flesh of people possessed by Vecna
*mind flayer
Yes this is what i think so too, its not sentient its just a lot of energy he harnessed and allowing him to form the hivemind and create the mindflayer.
Wasn’t that confirmed? They show him turning it into a picture he used to draw as a child. I thought it was pretty much spelled out…
Max was "Running Up That Hill," while trying to escape Vecna with help from her friends. That was one my favorite moments in the episode.
It was awesome and exciting. I was biting my nails. :P
That episode was easily the best between that ending and the shootout
I think the way they wove Vecna in to the existing narrative was superb.
Season 4 gave off Infinity War vibes were the heroes had to lose to be able to succeed in Season 5.
I thought the same thing. It seems cliché but it just makes too much sense.
My hope is that after vecna is destroyed, the black smoke (which was there pre vecna) absorbs what’s left of vecna and creates the elderbrain dragon.
Elder brain is the last form of the mind flayer in DND.
ElderBrian dragon is also a thing in DND and Will painted a dragon vs the group.
Great observation, It would be really cool as foreshadowing.
Imagine Henry physical body is dead but El has to go into the elderbrain dragon mind to fully kill Henry consciousness and free the mindflayer in the process would be awesome imo.
Henry DID speak of ascending his human form, which I don't think he has achieved. Whatever antagonist there will be in season 5, it will be Henry looking different, again. I don't think he'll be turned in a dragon of any kind though, that drawing was clearly referencing the game they were playing and meant to be symbolic. They're never going to use something straight from D&D. Also do you mean a Brainstealer dragon? I've never heard of an Elder Brain Dragon.
@@lysanthir7231 Will is going to be the antagonist is season 5,vecna will take his mind and body because his own is so badly damaged and eleven won't be able to kill him,that will be the drama
@@user-sk4wf3ve6z a party member becoming the bad guy? That's typical D&D haha I believe it
I don’t have any faults with Vecna. I became a major fan of him and his story of how he became what he was since season one to season four. He is a true threat and a monster that I wanted in a show like Stranger Things. Him being so powerful and pretty much unstoppable again makes him a terrifying entity and I can’t wait to see what he does to the rest of the people in Hawkins.
Even with the few weaknesses and the sort of hilarious one he is still a true threat in the show.
To be fair the upside down has the dumbest weakness because of him aswell aka happy memories,lmao
He seems to get his ass kicked a lot
@@brandondetroitfanmichaels4325 to be fair he is getting what he wants though,lol
I agree, I don’t care about any plot twists, or if the villain is some eldritch abomination, or psychic human, it’s all the same to me, it’s a great story and I appreciate the villain we got, but I do believe there could be something else at large, Nancy said something about “a large creature with a gaping mouth” hanging over Hawkins, not too sure, but I’m excited either way
Either way I still love the story
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I love how all the villains of the show are named after D&D monsters.
I don't think Vecna truly was the god of Upside Down, from what I see the Mind Flayer always existed but as a mindless primodial force until Vecna gave it shape, in doing so it got its eyes on earth and was using him to reach earth without him even knowing it.
Interesting so he uses his own self against himself
The upside down IS the DMV.
If Henry is bound to rules like " ...Kill four people to destroy the world" then, who wrote the rules?
So his basically the silver surfer of the stranger things
Yes! The VR game further confirms this!
I find myself wondering what the licencing deal between the showrunners of Stranger Things and Wizards of the Coast looked like, because the show is using names from D&D every season, and even featuring the game itself.
Luckily the DnD crowd is way more chill than most other IP owners *Looks at GW*. WOTC seem like the kind that are 100% down with throwbacks, lore implementation, etc; mainly I bet because they know it'll bring more peeps in.
@@privaterose5021 I think since the turnover into 5E WotC has got some very good marketing people onboard, because their publicity and availability has been excellent in the last five years. Once upon a time I had to track down obscure militart bookstores, gaming stores and speciality sci-fi places to find D&D books (I know that is where I got my 3e books). Now I can go to the Gamestop affiliated Zing (EB Games is the Australian affiliate and Zing is the merch arm of EB) in most of the big shopping centres and they have a D&D section with all the current 5e books, miniatures, dice and accessories. I have the upcoming Spelljammer set on preorder at Zing right now.
Plus Criitical Role has done amazing things for makiing D&D more accessible and demistifying it all. WotC has done well to broaden their appeal.
But wait, WOTC goes nuclear and tries to scrap the OGL.
Henry is by far the scariest villain of the series. Not only is he the reason for everything, but he tortures you psychologically.
Actually vecna didn’t create the mind flayer. He joined its hive mind and teamed up with it to conquer earth.
Another request for Soma the video game breakdown?! Hi again man I am still amazed on how you keep popping out so many damn videos
It’s in the list mate! Thanks :)
@@filmcomicsexplained what number in the list lol that would help me relax
You're a smart man. So far you're the only Films and Character explains/analysis type channel that's striking the iron while it's hot. Now is a great time to do Vecna.i suggested him on another Channel. Hopefully he listens. But I know YOUR vid is guaranteed to be awesome.
Vecna eh, that's really cool and-
**Sees this "Vecna" with his left eye and hand in place**
_IMPOSTER! THE RECKONING WILL BE HORRENDOUS!_
So glad your doing Vecna he's my new favorite villain of Stranger Things he's everything I want that's missing in Modern Villains:He's Heartless,Evil,Feeds on Negative Emotions,Ruler of a Dimension,and he's threatening. I'm excited to see what Vecna is going to do to Hawkins in Season 5! He already got his wish by bringing the realms together he's playing chess and winning it seems.
Those are supposed to be all the things the Mind Flayer was building up to be..
By making a human seemingly all powerful, the stuffer brothers have potentially diminished what made Stranger Things unique and original, especially with what all the fans were theorizing about the Upside Down 😒
@@wojurera3131 stuffer??… um anyway I find Vecna far more intimidating and compelling than generic cgi dark cloud
@@Mateocabrera2389I meant to say the stuffer brothers instead of duffer brothers, since I have lost respect for their storytelling.
You are completely missing the point kiddo.. The Mind Flayer was being built up as the Ultimate All Powerful being of the Upside Down, and we were being led to understand Just how powerful he is, and then little vecna just felt shoehorned in😒
@@wojurera3131 vecna as the main villain is a way better story than the mindflayer. DnD nerds are the only ones upset about it. Mind flayer was not intimidating. It was just a giant shadow with no form of communication. It makes perfect sense that the mindflayer existed before vecna in the upside down. Mindlfayer is just like a natural evil force with no sense of direction or goal. Just like a hurricane. Its awesome that Vecna was banished into the upside down and found a way to control that natural force to his will.
@@alansandoval7914 You have a very small view of the story. The Mind Flayer has Much more power as a supernatural being than some dopey human who was probably given his powers from the Mind Flayer himself..🙄😒
Vecna is such an interesting villain, I can't wait for season 5!
Nah, he detracted from everything else the show has been building up for 3 seasons
@@wojurera3131 I do hope they keep the Mind Flayer as the overall big bad and reveal it's using Vecna to spread to Hawkins? I do agree that he detracts from its threat. But I still find him pretty interesting.
@@heebiejeebiesofthehighestorder Yah he's interesting, but I was Heavily more interested in them bringing Billy back in some way shape or form, other than a brief cameo, he was the Pinnacle of Stranger Things for me, and alot of people speculated that would still have a role, but it felt like the duffer brothers just threw him away.
@@wojurera3131 I don't think he detracted anything from the show but it's understandable why u don't like him much. The Brothers are still writing S5 so I'm sure they might listen to some fan requests.
I love how they wrote Vecna!
Like he's this very sadistic psychopath and a purely evil monster (what even the characters in the series itself aknowlegde and call out) but he's not a one-sided character and very fleshed out and complex. This season was really great in all possible aspects!
I'm sure most had Henry 001 pinned as Vecna before the reveal, but I remember when I figured it out and was like "OOOHHH....this is good" not a difficult puzzle, but a satisfying and fun one! What a great show.
I don't think so. Most ppl I've seen on the internet were genuinely surprised with only some guessing his importance by ep 6. For me it's one of the best plot twists I've seen on tv simply cuz of how much it surprised me.
@@Comicbroe405 I figured it out right before they really started laying it on that he is Vecna. Cool show man. They really turned it around from the last season.
I don't think Eleven will be the one to defeat Henry. I think it'll be Will. Think about it, this entire show started with him. It would make sense if he's the one to end it.
It would be interesting if some of the characters that are killed by Vecna come back as his generals, maybe even with Will being turned against the group, but in the end after becoming somewhat of a general of Vecna Will turns on him as well. Would have parallels with the story of Vecna in D&D that would be fun.
“The DMV, where I learned the truth about despair” 🤣 lmfao
Ya know… vecna really fits him. All of his powers he already has as a psychic combined with his powers of the mind flayer, he literally is a GOD
Anytime a villain is up against the wall, literally, and tells you that you ain't won you just think you have that's some scary stuff
i was crying when Steve Harrington almost died by those upsidedown bats eating him alive omg! 😱😭
I hope the writers had come up with a good explanation for the ending of the series, a huge plot twist of sorts. So far it's not bad, but I had expected more from Stranger Things, I hope they will come up with a big surprise.
Also, leaving Max alive was kind of a mistake in my opinion. I love her character, but knowing that the main characters are basically invincible really takes away from the fear of losing them. I think now that they have let her live, they should do something to make this event have more weight. A good twist would be to leave Max crippled by the events. As we have seen she isn't in a very good condition. Now I think what they should do is to let her wake up, but in an almost unusable body. The dilemma here is that Max is alive, but at what cost? A decision between letting her live a miserable life or letting her pass would be a really emotional scene.
This is a show with a bunch of kids as the main characters.
They ain't gunna die or get crippled just for "emotion."
@@u.s.s.chucklefucker1657 It's a show about kids, but not for kids, this is an important difference. So, I hope they will come with something other than just magically bringing someone back, no matter how much I like Max's character. That would be just too simple and underwhelming.
How can you expect more from a show that is completely original? There's no source material to draw from so expecting "more" from something you no nothing about expect from what stories are being played out per episode is just acting entitled.
@@BruceWayne-zz7ij I can expect more based on past experiences. Is this seriously a quesiton? I mean yes, I have no right to expect anything from the show, but as a customer of netflix I feel entitled to receive something good. I love this show, but if they only come up with clichés for the end, then it would be underwhelming. There are tropes, trends and conventions in writing which people tend to follow. The writers went into a direction with many steps that is just usual and won't bring any surprise at the end. They have to be witty to turn the ending into something "new" and "exciting" rather than just something that we have seen many times. I hope you see what I'm talking about.
I think Max might be brain dead. She was physically dead until 11 tried to revive her. It worked, her body came back to life but she's been in a coma since. When 11 went into her psychic realm (or whatever it's called. The black where she can psychically see people) Max wasn't there. It was an empty hospital bed. So I think she's brain dead. They might change that next season but I think Vecna succeeded in absorbing Max's consciousness, like the others. Which is all he needed to do to break down the barrier between the real world and the upside down, which we clearly saw in the finale.
I love the DMV reference.
If they don't make the Mind Flayer have more of a role than they try to explain this season, the whole show will be a massive letdown at the end.
It was already a waste to not bring Billy back more this season, and I don't care much for Vecna, but they spent season after season building up The Mind Flayer, it would be pathetic to relegate him to nothing more than a mist at the end😒
Imagine if they actually made the Upside down be more of what people thought it was, an apocalyptic version of our World, or something more friggin exciting than a barren wasteland😒
My theory is that the Mind Flayer is using Vecna to establish its footing in the real world and gave him his powers to get it (the mind flayer) to the real word
@@tyleraguilar2474 that wouldn’t make any sense if you even watched the season
Then be letdown lmao they already explained that the mind flayed was a pre existing force of the upside down, but Vecna gave it a purpose to use as a chisel for his entry into the right side up. They were never building up the mind flayer, they were building up the twist that it was Vecna the whole time. I think that’s way cooler.
@@_JOMOMA Clearly you don't understand or see themes and overarching storylines. You should look up proper storytelling and how themes align with where you take your audience.
Maybe then you might understand a little more bud.
@@wojurera3131 thank you for that I feel more educated already. 😘
I think Vecna's ultimate goal is to possess Will's body for his own. I don't think this final season will be a fight between El and Henry but instead El and Will (Henry controlling)
I'm starting to think that too. Will might be the main villain in disguise.
@@SasukeUchiha-pr5zs yeah in my eyes, the most predictable outcome is he gets possessed or controlled by One, basically giving him his powers in order to fight El as human vs human. He’s gonna over power her or it’s gonna be revealed she doesn’t have her powers and then the redhead is gonna show up and it’ll be revealed she got some of her powers, like they did Umbrella Academy but with some random kid instead of a main character
I’m hoping they don’t do this but they have been pretty predictable before
He doesn't need to. He already opened the gates and should be able to leave the Upside Down and face anyone in person rather than in the mind.
@@Scar-Predator his physical body was destroyed by el no? At least that’s what the wiki’s state
@@chiefbologna5719 it was in 1979 when they first fought and then reformed and then he became Vecna. In Season 4 we got no idea what happened to his body after being set on fire, shot a couple times, and sent out a window. I just thought that meant that he got up and walked away.
Lmao. Man I love the stuff you've been dropping in recent videos. The DMV and the IRS.
I love how the most replayed part of the video is watching what's his face get torn in half
What I want to know is is the upside down an inherently evil dimension? look at the colours when Henry first enters and all the yellows and greys. Sure its gloomy but it doesnt look anywhere near as malicious as the "modern" upside down with the full on reds. Additionally, the upside down doesnt initially look like hawkins which suggests to me that Henry moulded it to weaken the barrier between the dimensions. One final question I have is was the upside down always there or did Eleven create it when she banished henry? A few people i have asked said that the upsidedown was a manifestatrion of her rage but IMO, so theres so much detail there with things like complex alien life that I believe that the upside down has always existed or existed long enough for evolution.
I think it would be cool to say that the Upside Down started off as neutral but slowly manifested into what it is now due to Vecna’s influence and hatred of humanity
I've always liked the idea of it being a parallel dimension that has always existed with its own fauna and eco system
just finished a lifesize sculpture of this guy in timelapse, if anyone's interested in taking a looksee - practical fx silicone, same as the show. Eager to get some feedback. Cheers fellas!
I think Henry creel failed to kill his family as a child because his mother was strong then exped. She probably has abilitiesis too that is why she was suspicious towards him, and likley put up more of a fighter draining him.
Very well done video!
Love the "when I went to the dmv when I truly know what despair" got me cracking up
If the mind flatter doesn’t have any major role that will be rather disappointing
Getting Nightmare on Elm Street and Hellraiser vibes
And I love it!
Hey you think maybe El couldn't find Max's mind inside her own head is because her mind is still stuck in Vecna's head (his broken upside-down mind-version of the Creel house)? Like 11 will have to go in there to help Max's consciousness escape? Maybe?...
I've been asking for you to do the cult classic screamers for ages now!!
Really disappointed with the Mind Flayer reveal, it works better as an inconceivable edlrich god than a shadow monster created by a pasty dude. Really hope theres more too it than they showed
He didn’t creat the mind flayer. It had always existed along with the upside down. In fact it’s likely it gave him the abilities in the first place. It’s still an eldrich god my dude
@@filmcomicsexplained I really hope they run in that direction, I am a bit worried that it won’t though
I was just thinking today that what with the two of them not existing without the other, they have to have their showdown. Perhaps El really does have to sacrifice herself for some reason because of this. Whatever the precise mystery, it appears 110’s birth was tied to 001. Vecna is created by 110, banished to the Upside Down, where he would fully develop his powers. 110 doesn’t exist with 001. Vecna doesn’t exist without 110. None of these Will/Max theories we’re hearing have as much meaning. Even though, I admit, Will would be a close second. Poor kid has been put through the wringer. Perhaps the two will assist. They certainly both have strong cases for those roles (and I really want to see Max in that role). But it will be a showdown between Vecna and El. 001 and 110. Henry and Jane. However you like it. It’s them. That’s my thinking.
Great video and what is the name of the music track that you used at the end of the video?
I was getting kinda bored with this show but the nightmare on elm street styling of season 4 got me hooked. Vecna and the way he killed his victims was pretty F'n terrifying. Although I'm very much sick to death of that damn Kate bush song lol.
Explore The Ancient Enemy from The Phantoms.
Vecna was a great throwback to 80s horror villains
I really think that the Duffer brothers should make a new Nightmare on Elm Street 🎥
So was there ever an official explanation as for the origins of Vecnas powers or are they just kinda there?
Hopefully next season
I think we will get more info in the final season. The curious thing is that the Upside Down has always existed, so perhaps the mind flayer gave those abilities to him to gain a footing in the real world?
@@filmcomicsexplained I agree with that explanation 👍
@@filmcomicsexplained Hopefully yeah, since we didn’t get a cannon explanation I had just assumed that psychics like Henry are a subspecies of humans and their powers are normal and naturally occurring 😂
Could be mutation since his father was in ww2, he may have been exposed to mustard gas or other hazardous material that could have caused mutation in children. Would make it easier for Brenner to create more psychics too
"Like the DMV, where I learned the truth of despair." You and me, both. (╬☉д⊙)
I love “Stranger Things” overall. It’s one of the best TV shows I have ever seen. It is entertaining, atmospheric, well-acted, well-made, spooky, funny, quirky, nostalgic and unique. The characters are likeable and well-developed, and I like its mixture of genres - sci-fi, horror, drama, comedy, adventure, etc.
The first season is amazing, the second and third seasons are alright, and the fourth season is very good. The second season is my least favourite because it was the most basic to me.
I really hope that the fifth and final season will be a satisfying conclusion to the series.
Agree a lot.
I feel like season 1 was good original sci-fi horror. Cool in itself. But I do also feel that it's only built on that and gotten progressively better every season, with all 4 seasons being necessary steps along the way. I'm pretty confident they won't screw up the ending. Can't always say that - like rushing the end of Game of Thrones
The first season is the only good one, it definitely got progressively worse if anything
Awesome video!
Thanks for the visit
How awesome would it be if S5 shows Vecna playing God by resurrecting all his victims in the Upsidedown, making them part of his army ready to invade Hawkins? From the kids at the lab, his 4 sacrifices from S4, & maybe even the likes of Barb, Jason, Eddie, etc!
What's the name of the song that plays at the end of your videos? I like it
"He revels in tormenting emotional unstable teenagers"
lol😂
Sheesh I can’t wait for this story to wrap up. The Duffer brothers haven’t failed us so far but it’s the most difficult to wrap a tv show’s story rather than continue it IE Game of Thrones. It’s gonna be absolute bonkers next season seeing the effects of the upside down in reality and Henry’s ultimate plan for domination
I honestly think they’re probably gonna make Henry (Vecna) Eleven’s biological father.
Since the timeline would track out given 11’s birthdate and would also explain why Eleven was so much more powerful than the other kids there.
Ngl I preffered the mind flayer as being a monster rather than created by vecna
With this show there is a lot inspiration from H.P Lovecraft and the Cthulhu Mythos. I mean, clearly because its Sci-Fi horror. It has an alternate dimension, interdimensional beings, dark rituals, it ponders on our existence within the grand scheme of the cosmos and they name the monsters and villains from one’s that are from Dungeons and Dragons which is heavily influenced by Lovecraft. I think the next and final season will explore what's really pulling all the strings and how and why the upside down exists. I don't actually believe the main villian is Vecna/Number 1/Henry Creel since he did not create the Upside Down and didn’t actually create the Mind flayer, he just reshaped it to look like a spider since he loves spiders. Despite his abilities he's far from all powerful. I believe its an even greater, infinitely more powerful and more horrible creature. I theorise the true main atagonist will be something based off of, if not the Outer God from the Cthulhu Mythos, Nyarlathotep. I think of it like this, theres a lot of madness, manipulation, chaos, destruction and death going on in this show and Nyarlathotep is a being who delights in those soughts of things. His greatest strength is his power to manipulate, he could be responsible for the Russians opening the gate to the Upside Down in Hawkins or filling young young Henry Creel's head with such dark and messed up thoughts, he may even be the source of Eleven and Vecna's power and Nyarlathotep is very often among Humans in most of H.P. Lovecraft's stories. Nyarlathotep is a nigh-omnipotent, nigh-omniscient being with immeasurable strength and magical abilities. He could be the God/Creator of the Upside Down. One thing that’s often debated in the Cthulhu Mythos about the Outer Gods is power level, as in who is the strongest/most powerful. I’d say in terms of capability, that title easily goes to Nyarlathotep and could easily destroy us as if we never existed but he won't destroy everyone in Stranger Things because if he did, that would leave him with nothing to toy with. The enjoyment he gets from toying with humans and shaping history with suggestion and coersion fulfills him for the time being. He might be growing tired of his playthings or wants to excite himself with the worlds total destruction which is what I believe is happening in this show now that we're near the conclusion of this series. I've been theorising this for nearly three years now and I thought I might just throw it out there.
I saw a comment somewhere theorizing that some kind of demonic force possessed Henry rather than Henry just being born different.
Clearly
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The way he kills is damn right frightening why does he snap their limbs in half anyway?
ok first a flower head shark monster now this, i need a drink....
vecna is described as the mind flayer's 5 star general
although i could be wrong i think it's more likely that the mind flayer is manipulating vecna
if it turned out the mind flayer was actually nice all along and vecna was actually the bad guy the entire time that would not be great
can anyone explain me What was the real intention of Henry …
Its settled I will binge this season this weekend
That one shootout scene this season was almost like another show, I looked away for one second and thought I switched to John wick
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Also I remember Henry was telling to Eleven that his parents has done awful things. We know what his dad did but what about his mom? And even Henry thinks killing a baby is awful so there is still some humanity exists in him I suppose.
Could you possibly explore the ghost and the darkness. Talk about the book related to the event by the person who was there. The movie, the different movies/books. And your own personal thoughts?
Do a segment on the Upside Down
Theory: There will be 3 main monster in S5. First Vecna who will be much stronger and since he got burned he will have a different form of his evil body. He will be much stronger plus having revenge thrived in his blood even more and that will increase his strength by alot too. He will have insane durability and use his regular killing mind method but a lot more brutal than it already is. He will also fight with his hands and legs like a Demogorgon or at least use them more and will be incredibly strong like on and faster than he is. He will be up to 2.5 stronger than he already is.
Then there is the Mind Flayer. Which will also be most blood thirsty and revenge seeking and will most likely be at its strongest point.
Last but not least. If you remember correctly Nancy saw in the Vecna vision. "A Monster With A Gaping Mouth Leading An Army Of Creatures" well arguably people would just think "The Spider Monster" The Mind Flayers other version which also has a much lower IQ but lets not get into that for how smart its Shadow version is compared to its weaker and less smart physical version "The Spider Monster" But back to the point. I think this monster will be the main villain or second to main villain. In my opinion I believe it will be the strongest or second strongest there.
Bonus theory: The Demogorgon arguably was stronger and more blood thirsty in season 4 than season 1, I mean just look at how quick and strong it was in season 4 compared to season 1. So also I think that there will be around 50 of the stronger Demogorgans and then the rest would be normal season 1 ones. Plus stronger demo bats, Demodogs, Many new creatures. In season 5. The three main villians will be Monster with a gaping mouth. Stronger Mind Flayer. And A way stronger Vecna. Then secondary The strong Demogorgons. It will be crazy.
I’m guessing the upside down is a reflection of hell for Hawkins so when 11 beat vecna he was sent there falling from the sky & now he’s connected somehow to the world and wants to get revenge on 11 and takeover making everything look like the upside down cause he feels humans are lower beings but he only sees the bad & pain you have to use against you
Season four made me want to watch ash vs the evil dead kinda miss Bruce Campbell dealing with these thing
Vecna would fit perfectly in the mortal Kombat universe.
Im so disappointed they went with “it was this villain all along” cliche, the mind flayer has had its potential wasted, but its possible the duffers will do something with it in season 5, it kinda ruins the feel of what the mind-flayer was supposed to be, I’m sorry but a lovecraftian nightmare is much cooler, and more interesting than just a guy with powers who now has vines all over him.
The upside down reveal is also incredibly lame imo, I, (like many others) assumed the upside down was once like earth, but now we don’t even know how it became like hawkins. It will be explained in season 5 no doubt, still I find it being a world where everyone is dead more interesting than a barren wasteland. (Too be fair we didn’t see everything the upside down had to offer in this “original” state)
That said I really loved the season my favorite so far just sorta bummed out by those admittedly not the best decisions imo.
I like him as a villian
Because he is a psycopath and because ofhis hate for humanity
He created the Mindflayer in his image as a child he viwes it as the perfect creature/god like entity
He is disgusted that he himself is a human being and would proably do anything to not be that.
He Got the chance to become something else when Eleven sent him to the Upside Down in Its primal form
Where he took the chance to become the Predator he always wanted to become
I think if his physical body is destroyed he is still able to live as the Mindflayer to try to destroy humans and to Terraform our world
Were he Can rule as a godlike lovecraftian entity and No longer be a human
@@johndetheshape3095 Having the Mind Flayer be subservient to a human-being and making Henry the overarching big-bad of the series, would be a grave error. That would mean the entire threat of the Upside Down comes from the delusions of grandeur of a psychic human, and most of us loved the UD for the exact opposite. There was an appeal to the original “dark reflection of our world” concept, where all the living creatures there were inexplicably evil. It felt very lovecraftian and alien. Instead, The Upside Down mythology would lose its cosmic horror, the ST world would feel smaller, and the stakes wouldn’t be as high.
I just think it’d be disappointing to know that the Mind Flayer, Demogorgon and Demodogs would have never been a threat to our world had Henry not gotten banished there by an eight-year-old El!That really takes the sinister, otherworldly appeal out of the Upside Down and it’s fauna.
Are there some cool elements of irony and an interesting theme when it comes to Henry enslaving this dimension? Sure, but the show wasn’t lacking themes of the evil that humans are capable of before this revelation, since we already had Brenner for that. The whole point was that before S4, Brenner was just as bad as the goddamn Mind Flayer, so I disagree that this twist was needed due to lack of thematic messages condemning humanities play in all of this.
The whole show is the kids writing and playing there own version of Dungeons and Dragons. Nothing really happened in the show. That's what the end scene will show.
that be a great twist ending. it would so beat out game of thrones your my queen/ ^^
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I want to know what happened at the DMV
5:48 how did you got this scene without music?
In season 5 people must see what its really happening. Not just some made up stories about devil and earthquake..also needs more explanation about the upside down world and how Vecna got his psycich power from the first place when he was human. For El it is explained good. Experiments with lsd with her mother
The First Shadow stage play and recently released VR game further explains some extra lore. Both are canon. I recommend watching a playthrough of Stranger Things VR during your spare time.
spoiler alert:
Eddie Munson return in season 5, reborn as a being of Upside Down. He wields mighty guitar called Hellfire and a magical guitar pick called Chrissy. Imbued with power of Metal, and he kills Vecna with devastating guitar swing to his face.
DMV is a place of despair
Also a Wing Commander 3 or 4 lore would be awesome. (Since they were basically interactive movies.)
where was the gate when he victimized the second one on the road?
Vecna reminds me of Kruger and Hellraiser
And Pennywise, Candyman, The Tall Man from Phantasm, The Smile monster from Smile,
This one is perfect for you to cover.
Vecna just fixed his jawline
One crack is not harmless, property values can drastically drop based on where they form, . . trying selling that trailer with the tentacle hole in the ceiling bleeding through . . for a good price. . it'll still sell . . you know who you are buyers
I don't really like the concept of vecna being the entire reason the upside is what it is. I liked the original idea, like dustin said, Vecna being the Mind Flayer's '''5 star general'' not having total control over it. I miss the upside down being lovecraftian horror, it made for so many interesting theories, Not having a really cliche villain story. Total bummer to end what was so many speculations to what it could be.
Hes not tho
Psychokinesis psychopathy with a God Complex. Sure lets go with that