The Sodder Children: What most likely happened (mini documentary)
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- The Sodder Children: What most likely happened
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The photo at 0:50 is not of the Sodder Family, but of the Charlie Lawson family. Sorry about that.
It's still a dark story behind that Lawson family photo.
and 1:33 lol
And they're from Stokes County, NORTH CAROLINA!! AND Charlie (the dad) shot and killed all of them including himself, except son Arthur! Arthur was later killed while changing a tire on his vehicle!!!
Bad Things True Crime: Query: How did so many psychopaths and sociopaths manage to find each other in such a small community? Query: Why does it seem that certain ethnic and racial groups appear to be conscience-free? Where did that stereotype come from? Is there actually fire beneath the smoke?
I'm an American citizen from Minnesota, but my first year of graduate school was spent in Canada. My dorm was filled with Italian Canadian guys who would have died for me--the sweetest bunch of guys I've ever known, some of whom sadly passed on far too early, around the age of fifty-five. Extremely liberal, even liberated, gentle men. Two generations removed from their grandparents' passionate attachment to Mussolini. These guys were far cooler than any American men I've ever met. THIS WAS IN 1976. Fast forward to 2023, and I've read that the Canadian Prime Minister recently did a striptease for a women's political organization.
How I miss Canada!
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Can uh duh 😫
Whether you believe the children died or survived somehow, to think that the fire "just happened" is to be willfully ignorant at best and profoundly stupid otherwise. That cascade of strange occurrences surrounding the fire, the threats, the phone being cut, the ladder being moved, the vehicles rendered inoperable, etc, etc, could statistically simply not have happened by coincidence.
Not to mention the police chief (pretty sure it was the chief) buried a deer heart in the burn pile idk how much longer after so they would dig it up and could use it as proof. Weird things like that happened too
I agree with you 100%. That and the fact that remnants of items like books were found in the fire clearly indicates the fire did not burn hot enough or long enough to fully cremate 100% of all 5 children's remains. Add in the family's difficulties with neighbours, the sighting of them at a restaurant shortly after and later a card from the one missing son and you have extremely suspicious circumstances.
i thik it was a cow liver or deer lvier or something eh doto lazy to check sorry
I’ve never known a fire hot enough to turn teeth and bone into ash. Even after a professional cremation, bits of bone and teeth survive. Nothing was found of the children in the remains of the fire.
It’s not possible.
And FIVE of them
OMG, I requested this!! They did it! I'm so happy! Thank you guys so much!
You're welcome :)
Pretty sure I requested it first… but whatever helps you sleep at night.
Is was actually me.
Why does it matter who asked first? The video has been done. Geez...
@@EshAlexa well, obviously it matters to you too. Since you had to mention you requested it. I wasn’t even going to say anything until you did…
It shows you that a lot of Italians still supported that fascist Mussolini. My grandfather on my maternal side he fought Italy serving in the US Army he served with the 598th field artillery regiment 92nd Infantry Division. They work with the partisans sometimes who are anti Mussolini but he told me there was a number of Italians that sided with Mussolini so basically it was like a civil war.
Yes, that was totally a civil war. Sadly, too many Italians still support Mussolini today.
not surprising a lot of Spaniards supported Franco as well. if the overwhelming majority are against it a dictator no matter how terrible cannot cling onto power so all the evil leaders in history had a lot of support while in power
i do not believe for one minute they died in that fire. Especially years later with the Louis photo
Such a sad but fascinating case. Here are a couple of additional interesting facts if you’re interested. In regards to the picture of Louis that was addressed to the mom, Jennie, she did had a brother named Frank Cipriani, who could be “brother Frankie”. The Sodder family had initially suspected him because he lived in Florida. There were witnesses who saw the children get into cars with Florida licence plates. Even the Sodders believed this theory that Jennie’s brother took them because it would’ve been someone they knew.
There was actually a curve ball in this case… years after the fire, the mom received a picture of a grown man who was supposed to be the oldest of the missing children… that’s somewhat relevant to the case.
Proper cremation requires anywhere from 1,500 degrees F to 2,000 degrees F for 3-6 hours. This is done at a constant temperature. Not only would a coal fire fail to reach that temperature, it would not be a consistent temperature due to moisture content, size of coal load, and not being in an enclosed environment.
So it's likely there would be large bone fragments, and possibly entire intact bones, still remaining.
Awesome! I am glad so many are still investigating this!
If there were remnants of a book and other items from the children, there is no way the fire burned hot enough to fully cremate the remains of the 5 children. Why didn't you speak about the sightings of the children after the fire? This is the first episode I have thought was not very well done.
Why did you leave out the heart that was buried by the fire chief? Pretty big fact to miss❤
The fire chief admitted to planting that there. Not really all the useful within context of this video.
And just one more point, just because Mussolini was a tyrannical evil man, didn’t make every Italian evil. Just the same as any other person from any place.
Also, for a family in 1945, in the Deep South if a family had a telephone AND 2 cars THAT was a rare thing. So I agree that all of these events are odd. And kind of smells like a concerted effort to rid a town of an immigrant family. By any means. There are just too many coincidences
Except much of the town were Italian immigrants too
I did phone work for 20 years and telephone and power lines DO NOT get mixed up.
Two completely different things.
@harrybrowneigh Very different and different gauge wires
By a professional.
They Do not get mixed up, by a professional. But an amateur with barely a passing idea of what they are doing?
Likely.
@levitobias8031 nope still very unlikely
@@levitobias8031 They're NOT Stockton Rush proof.💀
The first family photo shown is the Charlie Lawson family. Not the Sodder family.
That's embarassing. Thanks for letting me know, I'll pin a comment.
It's still a dark story behind that Lawson family photo
Yes, Very Dark!!
Fact correction: The fire burned for 30-45 min. Not hours.
Wow man this is rapidly becoming one of my favorites. I love this Fu#%in channel!!!
Wow, thanks!
It's almost hard to believe this was anyone but the dad himself.
Someone else, even a small group, managed to disable EVERYWAY to get to the children.
Surely they would have forgot one method.
But the ladder was gone, the trucks were disabled.
There's almost no way this wasn't just a cover story.
Maybe it was to cover up an accident involving some of the children.
But the amount of preparation and consideration this would take is nearly unbelievable for anyone who didn't LIVE at the residence and had ample time to consider what they'd do in the event of a fire.
The children don’t die in the fire. 500 forensic experts have studied the case. Which this video conveniently leaves out because it disproves their claim.
This doesn't completely match up with what the "History's Greatest Mysteries" episode had to say about the incident, but it's certainly still a fascinating story. I have to wonder if the absence of verifiable remains indicate that this was actually a case of abduction, or, that the fire was set by the older children, who then grabbed their younger siblings and ran away to start a new life elsewhere. Years later when George believed he'd located two of them, both men denied being his sons. Could it be they just didn't want their father to find them? Guess we'll never know for sure.
You left out so much and got so much wrong. From the private investigator going missing, reports of the children an hour away, the fire chief planting beef liver in the ground hoping the family would find it and think it was a heart, receiving a picture of what a letter claimed to be one of the missing children
That night, several accomplices put a ladder against the windows of the second floor, got into the house of five children, whispered "Fire!" to them and quietly took them outside? And how did they go unnoticed when they left the place?
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I looked up census records for brother Frankie through 1950 and he is listed only with a wife. Plus at that time he did not live in Florida and would not have a car with Florida license plate.
There must be someone who could do a serious investigation of the burn site using modern methods. If they were still there there has to be some remains. There are so many odd facts in this case.
This is what infuriates me! If truly they want to find the leads then they have to confirm there's no possibility of there being an oversight. They have to turn that soil upside down and look for any remains that could provide dna.
Holly: You're right. That fact alone--that there's never been a thorough, detailed investigation--stands out like a welt.
Has anyone done age progression work to portray what these children might have looked like as adults?
Don't know
I doubted the kidnapping story. Too many kids to maintain a kidnapping. Sounds like someone lit the house up.
Why did you include a family portrait that is not the Sodder family?
I agree with you- I think they unfortunately perished in the fire. The fact that he bulldozed over the remains of the house, added to that 1945 forensic technology (such as it was) and the fire burned for so long? I know that the poor parents didn't want to believe that, but it's what makes the most sense. May they all rest in peace.
I never knew that until this video. Where was it reported?
It is impossible to them to have died in the fire without any traces of the body. 500 forensic experts have came to this conclusion. Do some research.
@darth_kal-el it has been reported by experts the second the father bulldozed the dirt it destyoed the evidence. The people who did the initial search were not experts. The father did not listen to people not to bulldoze the properts. Do some research
They would’ve been able to find bone. The house fire even fueled with the coal in the basement wouldn’t have even reached the required temperature to cremate a human body.
@@LaurenBridges-hv5uu The father bulldozed the land against the advice of authorities that compromised the scene.
I've been waiting for you to cover this case! Great work!
Too bad they botched it and left our evidence like 500 forensic experts saying it was impossible for them to die in the fire.
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Thanks. I so despised the mafia theory: Sardinian banditism is so different from mafia, and it's totally located in Sardinia, no real ramifications anywhere. Mr. Sodder himself may have spoken sardo, rather than Italian, which is largely incomprehensible to many Italian speakers. All I can think of is some local mafia was claiming money from the family, which would be the reason why those two dodgy guys were hinting at a possible accident. But your explanation is far more convincing.
If the children were abducted, why was there no ransom demand? The family had money and could have well-afforded to pay the ransom. If the children were abducted in some kind of private adoption scam, they would have tried to find their parents when they were older. I don't believe they died in the fire. There would have been bones found. They did find what was later to be determined to be a bone from a 14 year old child, but it did not show traces of having been burned. The family line died with no heirs. This mystery will never be solved. Very sad story with no conclusion. May they all rest in peace.
What do you think happened?
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Those children did not burn up in the fire. There would have been bone fragments.
As much as I’d love to believe that those poor babies survived that fire I don’t believe they did. I don’t blame the parents for holding out hope though. It kept them going. I can’t imagine loosing any of my babies
The government knows everything
Are we sure George didn't off his kids and cover it up with a fire and stolen children story?
Electrical fault. Fire behavior would suggest that the fire di not start on the roof. Also, who thinks a working phone line in this era would have made any difference?
Jenny could have called her brother, who was a local firefighter
this is so badly written. is it AI?
awful
Sodder kids are watching a Louis Le Print video.
Subbed!!! Thank you
Might want to double-check when WWII ended…
He most likely misspoke. He said 02/12 and meant 02/09 (The signing ceremony on USS Missouri). September and December are easy to mix up. Though it depends what event one uses to define an end. Some also say 08/05 when Mr H committed s-cide. Some say 15/08 when Japan surrendered physically/verbally after Hirohito's announcement.
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@@christiansrensen8330the “end” was the date the surrender documents were signed.
@@suekelley2109 It seems he said September instead of December. It's easy enough to mix them up, they sound similar.
That picture of the family is a different family the father kill everyone in the family expect for the son who was 15 years 😮.
Arson
The man from the Train
So many things point out to the Mafia being responsible. I think you guys dropped the ball on that one.
Don’t the Mafia usually take “credit” for their evil actions?
Motive?
Phone was cut they git call nite before of lsughing wiman and 2 strangers threatenening fire.and They went oyt side-they didnt even say they cam back that night whim was ine children with singed hair?what was reasin Noone went to Investigste APineapple Fire bimb thrown on theRoif the parents seem at the leadt very halfhazard in the weteabouts that night of The chikdren who were quite young .oh myGod .then the fire.trajedy. .
Maybe they were simply happier thinking that thiei kids were alive and searching, than accepting that they were dead.
So much of this was so preventable:
1) Mom locked up the house without checking to make sure the kids were even upstairs or in the house. They could have come back to a locked house. Still, I would imagine 5 kids ages 5-14 would have knocked on doors and windows before walking away to try to find a neighbor. However, something unrelated could have endangered the kids before they had a chance to get home.
2) If they didn’t have a ladder to get upstairs, did the parents and older siblings not try to build a human ladder by standing on each others shoulders and getting in to see who was in the attic?
3) The bus driver should be charged with criminal negligence
4) You don’t keep cans of gasoline in your basement like that!
I think George did it. Reminds me of the Mick Philpot case. His vehicles not working seems like something that was done intentionally, which rules out accident and how would any arsonist assume George would use his vehicles to assist in the rescue?! Seems like an excuse by George to let the house burn and seal the deal.
Anddddd the fact that he covered it all up when he was told to not bother the scene - yet he did anyways saying he wanted to make a memorial… he could of waited to do that until the investigation was complete. What was the rush?
?????????????????????????????????????? Are you actually saying, because this is what you wrote, that the children's own father was responsible for this atrocious crime? You must be an American. Only Americans are warped enough to believe that parents and children could kill each other so brazenly. (Look at the Jon Benet Ramsey case as a glaring example. People in the USA were even accusing nine year-old Burke Ramsey of clobbering his sister to death. Not to mention how the public tried and condemned Patsy Ramsey before she passed away.) What is wrong with people? Your idea of what goes on in suburban American middle class family households is deeply twisted.
Most of the time, the most obvious answer is the correct one. In this case, it's that the five children died in the fire, and were cremated by the high temperatures. I've always wondered whether the fire could have been accidentally started by one of the children, maybe with a candle or matches.
A body will not completely disappear in a home fire. There will be more than enough remains to examine and make an id.
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A house fire USED to be able to completely burn a body down to ashes. Especially with the coal in the basement and the sheer amount of fuel that made up the walls and frame of the house.
It would essentially act as a macedonian funeral pyre. Which only burned for a day.
This fire had about that much time to do it's work.
This is not only completely possible. But very likely.
Now, whether the fire was an accident is the real question.
Wrong, coal nor wood can completely cremate a human body, not in a thousand years. Yes the majority of body maybe gone but the denser/larger bones like femur, main arm bones, skull-cap & the likes would still be very intact & whole still.
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The macedonians. Indus, Mayan Aztec and some Danes would absolutely all disagree with you.
All of these were cultures that practiced pyre burning.
All of them record the body being burned completely to ash.
Hence why the video mentioned the remains on the house were bulldozed@@madamemontespan9418
There was a picture sent to the Sodder family years later. You are saying that 5 children, not 1 or 2, but 5 children burned to death with no screaming or yelling at all heard from them? Also I get maybe they burned to death if it was 1 or 2 kids but 5 of them and not 1 bone was found at all?! George Sodder and his wife would've searched HARD to find those kids. They would've lifted every piece, every column to find them, n not 1 bone was found at all?! Plus u DID NOT list the witness that seen 5 children at a diner in the early morning same day that resembled those kids. It's your opinion that they burned up in the fire when there's so much evidence to show those kids were kidnapped. It's in my opinion that What Most Likely Happened threw most evidence away just to make a quick new video. I used to respect your channel and videos, but after this crap of no evidence that supports the city's opinion just shows you all don't do your homework AT ALL...I'm unsubscribing to this pseudo-scientific channel.
If they were dead or unconscious from the smoke nobody would scream. Smoke is the main killer in a house fire not the flames
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Again, 5 kids. Unless they were already dead by another hand, 1 or 2 would have yelled, made noise, something. If it was 1 or 2 kids, there's no way they could've made any noise whatsoever, but 5? Statistically, when there are more ppl trapped in a fire, the chance of 1 of them to make noise or yell increases significantly. Plus, 5 kids, something would have been found. The Sodders were very family oriented. They would've searched harder then anyone. Know how many ppl were killed by fires in the past hundred years? Something was always found. Whether bones, teeth, or fragments, something was always found except in this case...that's statistically impossible. Statistics don't lie. Too many witnesses came forward seeing 5 children with an unknown female. Something would have been found if all 5 died in that fire.
Ok... Great video, but could we *PLEASE* stop using that stock picture of the wooden pallets and old couches in the woods in EVERY, SINGLE, MURDER or MISSING PERSONS' video?!?! Everyone overuses that picture!! As well as that horrendously-overused stock footage of the people walking through the woods with those chartreuse vests on, shouting for some supposed missing person?!?! STOP USING IT!! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!! Other than that, thank you for doing a video on this case of the Sodder children. It is not well known and should be brought back into conversation.
Just look at the first person in the picture
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Once again a story of how immigrant families that settled in small town america with the main goal of WORKING HARD, LIVING SAFELY, AND THEN RAISING A FAMILY. America needs our a HUGE DEBT OF GRATITUDE to them. Instead of being railed against, lied about, and treated so horribly. It really makes my blood run hot when I see the extreme Republican Party treat these folks the way they do. I AM a Christian, and one thing that is VERY CLEAR in the Bible is to help your fellow man. And we ALL are travelers in foreign lands. Would Christ mistreat these people? I dare say that he would. There is good and bad IN EVERY ONE OF US. NO-ONE IS EXEMPT FROM EVIL.
I don’t know what happened to this family, but in the beginning at least, all they wanted was to live here in America, and safely raise their family. And tragedy struck in a horrible way. I’m so sorry for them all. The dead and those who lived on. But one day..the truth will be revealed. And as we ALL will have to do, one day give an account for our sins.