As someone who LOVED Game Night's Arkham Horror playthrough, I was so stoked to watch this playthrough. A shame about the loss, though that's not entirely unexpected. Klaw is a much harder villain than Rhino (the starter villain). There are a lot of things I'd love to comment on, but I'll try and focus on a few key points. Some are for the Game Night crew, but it's also for people who might be interested in trying this game out, or who are hoping to get better at Marvel Champions after learning the basics. - A key turning point in the game happened in Stage 2, when Klaw did a lot of scheming at got to the next phase of his main scheme. This is due to having all 4 players ending the phase in alter ego mode. Now, that choice would have made sense if everyone was low on health and are trying to retreat to fight another day, but none of them took advantage of the fact that Lincoln played Webbed Up, which would cancel two attacks from Klaw. Two players could have stayed in hero form and receive no damage from Klaw because of Webbed Up and the ensuing stun. That way, there would have been much less threat on the main scheme (because Klaw only schemes twice and not four times) without the normal downside of losing hit points from the villain attack. In hindsight, Aaron (Captain Marvel) should have stayed in hero form because of Webbed Up and his high remaining hit points relative to the rest of the team. Then either Nikki or Lincoln could join him in hero form. - There aren't a lot of allies being played until the very end, which is a shame given their versatility. They can thwart and attack and, perhaps most importantly, act as meat shields for the players when the villain and minions attack (more experienced players call this practice 'chump blocking'). Sometimes it makes sense to wring out every damage and thwart you can get from allies (eg. What Lincoln did with Daredevil), but more often than not you want to get them at 1 health before throwing them in front of the villain. Perhaps if the Game Night crew was more aggressive in throwing their allies into the villain meat grinder, they would not have had to take some of Klaw's serious body blows (damage normally doesn't spill over from allies to heroes, as Aaron already mentioned). - I don't think the playthrough reflects the sort of roles each aspect is supposed to fill within the team. Aaron did allude to it in the how-to-play section, but I want to elaborate more on that: Aaron (Captain Marvel) was playing the LEADERSHIP aspect, which at the time of the core set revolves around playing allies and improving them. Since we've established that allies can fill multiple functions (defense, attacking, thwarting), this is as close as it gets to a sort of 'generalist' class. Nikki (Black Panther) was playing the PROTECTION aspect, which (as the name implies) is mostly concerned with taking shots from the villain so no one else on the team has to. Kind of like the 'tank' character from an RPG game. Lincoln (Spider Man) was playing the JUSTICE aspect, which revolves around thwarting. Thwarting the main scheme so that it won't advance (and perhaps giving players the chance to draw extra cards through returning to alter ego form); and thwarting side schemes to remove their negative effects. Finally Dave (Iron Man) was playing the AGGRESSION aspect. As deduced by Aaron and the rest of the players, it's the damage class. Damage to the main villain, but also damage against minions that could prove a nuisance. I could go on, particularly with the risks and rewards of the hero and alter ego forms, but this comment is starting to get too long. I just hope that my insight is helpful to both the Game Night group and to the newer players of the game. MK
This game has an incredible balancing mechanism...Klaw legitimately got tougher as the heroes became stronger, yet despite being on the razor's edge of death, you managed to survive rounds you thought you were goners. They had to have done a lot of playtesting to make sure the game was this well balanced...I was fully expecting a brutal beatdown much earlier in the game. I also thought the individual hero decks were both well themed, and distinct from the other decks. Despite my feelings that the board game market is over-saturated with Marvel games, I have to say this one at least gets a thumbs up from me.
This game is by far the one that gets the most table time in my little group's weekly game nights, and I was so stoked to see you guys do it. It's a great game, and with resources like Hall of or the CDB, deckbuilding can almost become an obsession (sometimes, thank the universe for net decking). And, it gets the NP Seal of Approval! Thanks Nikki, Aaron, Dave, Lincoln, and all the other "guests" who make my week when the newest episode drops.
I've been a big fan of Marvel Champions for a couple years now, and really enjoyed this play through. I'd love to watch you guys play some more. Maybe one of the box expansions, or the newer X-men characters.
To clarify what they said at the start "Living Card Game" isn't just a term to replace "Collectable Card Game" ... and LCG is a non-random method of distribution that Fantasy Flight uses on all of their card games except Keyforge. CCG or TCG are the acronyms for things with randomized booster packs a la Magic, Pokemon, etc.
Yep, I believe they use "Expandable Card Game" for this type of games, i.e. you purchase expansions, which have identical content for everyone. In all honesty, LCG is a very good term, but it is a trademark of Fantasy Flight, so it applies only to their games (and kudos to whoever in their marketing division who came up with the term).
@@zhivik I didn't know it was trademarked! (Smart move.) And I didn't really mean they were exactly equivalent, more that to my mind, LCG has taken over the innovative and publicity-generating space of the card game subgenre that CCGs used to solely dominate.
Exactly! It's so annoying that people can't seem to grasp the difference. Or more likely, they don't care to. They just see that's a card game and assume the worst as far as expenditure and distribution model goes. I'm one of the people who happens to like both.
You guys are the best! I’m all in on Marvel Champions (have everything released to date) but it was so fun to see the core set playthrough, felt like a throwback! And after over 200+ plays overall, it was still so fun to see you guys get to know the game. Sure there were a few rules mistakes, but at the end of day 1) it likely wasn’t that relevant to your success/fail and 2) put my plays (or anyones) of MC on RUclips and I’m certain I’d make a few. There’s a lot going on. Big props to Aaron for this great teach as well. This will help so many prospective players really know the basics in an easy to understand way. On the Gamegenic sponsorship, I’m all for it! I do have RUclips premium but I can’t imagine the work that goes into these and I support the extra revenue. At the end of the day this content is free and at least the ads are relevant. The token case looks really cool
Love that the GameNight video on a Marvel cardgame is longer than any Marvel movie ever. Just seen the tutorial part and seems like a very nice game with lots of replay possibilities. Amazing so far 😁❤️
How cool to see this video posted on the same day that I bought my Marvel Champions game! (base game only so far) Came to you tube this morning to start watching how to play videos, made me laugh to see this was posted same day I got my game. Thanks!
We bought this game in January and almost didn't play anything else for months. Between the expansion packs and kept collecting heroes. Fun watching you all play!
I actually love that you have teamed up the game genics! It means no more ads which cannot be skipped or are revalent. And if I did skipped the ad it meant less revenue from advertising. It means I can skip the game genics ads in the video and not effect you revenue.. But the game genics ads are not many bad to watch so I tend to watch them!
Watching your videos make it so much easier to understand game play rather than someone just saying how it works or reading the manuals. Thank you so much!
On the note in the End Discussion section relating to the Arkham Horror LCG, the new Revised Core Set now includes enough player cards to build 4 player decks out of the box! They definitely learned their lesson with Marvel Champions since I agree, the old core set was lacking in that regard, but at least new releases are fixed!
I love how everything that can happen in a game, happened in this one. Few mistakes, and misplays (like futurist could still be done when Tony is exhausted) but overall a great tutorial and game! Love it!
It's kind of fun watching folks make more mistakes at this game than I do. There is so much that's happening on all these cards it feels near impossible to track all of what's going on. Especially in a four-player game. Nice to see you guys play something that seems out of character for the channel.
At 1:02:15 Licoln has to add 2 threat but changes 2 1's for a 5, which would mean that you didn't finish the plan yet that round. Also, you should have already lost at 2:13:48 as there is 32 threat on the plan.
Iron man can use his gauntlets and helmet independently. You don't have to use them with the hero attack or thwarts. That would have made a huge difference. There were a few turns where they weren't used at all.
I'm very surprised you guys haven't played this but ik its going to be good. When I see the second bar is long, ik its good and it's over 3 hours. Let's go!!
Late to watching this playthrough, loved seeing the discussions of “If we do this, then we could have this happen.” Those are my favorite moments of this game. Awesome video
Love that you guys are doing this game. One little clarification (and I haven’t finished the video so maybe it comes up later) - the hero and alter ego “once per turn” abilities are separate so you can do both in the same turn. When Aaron flips to hero form during his first turn he keeps that “I already used my ability” marker on there but it wasn’t really necessary…he could have used the hero ability too (not on that turn because she was at full health, but just in general).
One more: Lincoln could not have used the web-shooter as Peter on turn 3 when he did, because it’s a Hero Resource and he was still in alter ego. But in practice it wouldn’t have made any difference, you flipped to Spider-Man right after so you could have just flipped first. Just clarifying for those new to the game that it’s important to look for those “hero” or “alter ego” keywords. Loving the video so far!
@@chrisb.8758 There's a later turn (I'm not going to scrub thru 3 hours to find it!) where I definitely used Captain Marvel's and Carol's once-per-turn abilities, I think even immediately back to back after flipping the card, so we were aware of it, or figured it out eventually.
@@Cappocchi awesome. I finished the video eventually but I must have missed that one. Just wanted to clarify for folks who are new to the game since I see that get asked a lot on forums and stuff. Really enjoyed seeing you guys play this one. It’s probably my favorite game right now and I’m not even a comics/Marvel fan. Every character feels so unique and different to play and the aspect system is brilliant.
I love 4 player champions, but also Helicarrier and avengers mansion are some of the strongest cards in the game so make sure you prioritize them especially in 4 player as you can pass them to other players
Good game but Iron Man was being used incorrectly. The upgrades aren't interrupt effects used in conjunction with a basic action. They are their own thwart and attack actions made by exhausting the upgrades. Just a clarification for future games.
Its the one game I and my friend played the most !, 2p. It’s too long at 4 and to easy. 3p is ok. Not played more than few times more than 2p. Solo is hard and very swingy. But fun. You can play 2-3 heroes yourself too. It’s a amazing game. Love it 😍
I just started watching the video and maybe you mention it later, but everyone has the right player mat except Aaron. Playing Captain Marvel with a Captain America mat. I’m going to try to ignore it and not let it bug me. Lol
Excellent video! This was a blast to watch and even half way though I pulled out my collection and started building a deck while watching. I haven't played for a while but might get back into it. I'd love to see a series where you 4 play through a scenario box like Red Skull or something. That would be fun to watch.
Just a slight note on the "living card game" thing- I believe that's a trademark of Fantasy Flight, who just want to be different, so every other manufacturer will continue to call them Collectible card games.
It was the first play for all of us except me (I only played it once in Jan. 2020) but it was not the last :-). Nikki and I played it with Dave a few days later and we played it several times on the BGG Cruise 2 1/2 weeks ago. It really is fun. I played Dr. Strange and Captain Marvel and really enjoyed them both. Looking to get more of the expansions. Thanks for the note and for watching-Lincoln
I thought that, before revealing the boosts from an attack, each player needed to choose to defend w either an ally or your hero or take the damage "undefended" to your hero?
As someone new to the game, I came across the idea of tracking damage taken rather than hitpoints remaining with the dials. The game was clearly designed with this mentality, so it makes the rules more intuitive IMO. And it's consistent with how Allies and Minions take damage.
Just got the game, I didn't see anyone mention this. Using your Basic Exhausts the character (p. 11) and changing form "character remains in the same state (ready or exhausted) (top of p.11). So, as I read it, you can't use your basic power, change form and then attack.
This seems like the hardest game y'all have ever played. Yall did a great job!!! I hope one day, yall retry this game as a rematch. I know it's not y'all's style, but if you get new characters then maybe it is okay.
3:18 he was so powerful he didn't need Thanos' gauntlet to alter reality. Nice. 1:26:29 No one messes with the black panther.... or the leader of Wakanda.
Didn't that side-scheme card you placed at the beginning of the game say you had to remove all of its threat BEFORE you clear any on the main scheme? You guys forgot about that after the first round I think, because on the third round, you were all removing a ton of threat tokens from the main scheme while leaving the side-scheme for Aaron to clear on his turn.
The game is likely a little advanced for a 6 year old but since it is cooperative you could play with open hands to help them along to understand how the cards work. Then you will have an advanced deck builder player to play more games with! Thanks for the note and for watching. -Lincoln
We've now played it several times in 2-4 player configurations and I have enjoyed it every time. 3 or 4 player games do require more time but it was really fun coordinating things and helping other players. Thanks for the note and for watching-Lincoln
Yeah with each player, you're basically adding another hour of game play. If everyone is down for that, cool. I usually play solo, but would love to play with more players.
at 50:10 when Aaron was about to get his drawn event effect, Nikki played a card from her hand to interrupt it. I don't know what the exact rule wording is, but in the pregame rule explanation Aaron said you can only play cards from your hand on YOUR turn, not on other players turns. Does that only apply to the "player turns" or does that apply to the villain phase as well? I was just curious if this broke the rules or if the rules do allow it in this phase.
You can do any action and play an Event that is an action on any player's turn. Interrupt/Responses can be played whenever the condition applies. For example, in the scenario you mentioned - Get Behind Me can be played anytime Treachery would be revealed. No other restrictions apply.
Yes, but doing so would drastically reduce IronMan’s handsize from 6 to 3. Since it is linked to the amount of his tech in play. Tony doesn’t like to go out heroing before he has his armor on. XD
@@boardgamegeek I love it! I was actually convinced to buy the Catan Hex Dice Towers to use with non-catan games. I also bought a ton of sleeves from Gamegenic
I'm that guy who is really interested in this game, but wishes it wasn't Marvel. I still have Arkham Horror at least (is it bad I only start the next game with 3 sanity?)
Wasn't big on Marvel, I just had basic hero knowledge going into this game and that hasn't stopped it from becoming my, hands down, all time favorite to this day!
@@Dreadbaron There's even characters I'd love to play (mostly Wanda and She-Hulk vs the world), but its harder to get excited by any of the villains. Still, I'm still here, considering...
@@theunamiable IMO, Black Widow is one of the most fun heroes in the game. She has a unique style of play, a neat little puzzle, which if you solve correctly it somehow wins you the game without you actively working on that 😆 Justice with her is top tier, though I pair her with protection and it's a blast.
Echo Echo, we used a Squire deck box from Gamegenic. They are our sponsor but I can say without hesitation we love these boxes. Thanks for the note and for watching.-Lincoln
I feel like the comparison is unfair. The complexity of champions is higher so they can make heroes and villains feel unique where legendary is more of a card system with a theme worked into it. It can't really compete with what champions can do but it sacrifices that for accessibility. It can be daunting to explain this game to new people and I dread playing it with more than 2. It is really awesome solo or 2 player though.
I know this is a year late. Marvel Legendary was a huge flop for me. I played it once, and was completely bored during the whole game. The fact that they reused the same images for various cards just annoyed the heck out of me and felt lazy. (I heard they changed this with later sets). When I got Marvel Champions, I realized that this was exactly the game that I had hoped Marvel Legendary was. I'd give Legendary a 4/10 and Champions a 9/10
It buffles me that Spider-man base deck, the one that the manual recomends you to build for him, is justice. He is TERRIBLE at thwarting. His only hero card that deals with threat and the like, it's spider tracer which is horrible. It has some use with claw, but even in core, there is just better options. And his basic thwart is one. So, most of the time, you are not using your hero to thwart. In fact, you will be exhausted often, because you will want to use that incredibly powerful 3 base DEF he has, meaning you will be tapped when your turn begins. On top of that, your power cares about being attacked, which is what core protection is about. Get behind me! is an incredible double down with Spider-Man's power as you get to cycle it, cancel a terrible treachery that could sink the table's momentum, give you another oportunity to use your defense stat and then you have built-in tools to avoid the damage if you are already exhausted. Because of his higher def stat and the extra draw he gets from being attacked, he's great with indomitable, which readies him after defending. You could make the case that Black Panther can play the proteaction allies, Black Widow and Luke Cage, better, because Vibranium allows him to carry 3 extra double resource cards, but then you have to take into account Spider-man's web-shooters, which generate the perfect mana to use for events during the villain's turn. Which is when you will play get behind me and Spider-man's enhanced Spider-Sense.
@@flickingbollocks5542 I think you'll find that's incorrect grammar, actually. Pesky phone. It's like when I type in NUMPTY and it gives me nompty, for example. 🙄
@@Basilisk4119 It's a spelling mistake, not grammar. Can you explain in plain English what "Paying for utility" and "the capacity of the game to render its elegance" means...?
@@flickingbollocks5542 It's a grammatical error. It is not a spelling mistake because the letters are all present and in the right sequence. As for explaining myself, why should I? What's in it for me? Buy a dictionary.
With all these paid promotions, have they ever not liked a game? Would love to watch that episode. Seems like everything is great! love these videos, would be interesting....
We only feature games we are excited about. Not many people want to watch us slog through a game we aren't enjoying. Thanks for the note and for watching-Lincoln
I can't think of any that everyone disliked, but it's not particularly uncommon for one person to not be a fan of a game. Aaron didn't care for Spirit Island, for example.
@BobLee-df4zh Gamegenic is our sponsor (and new to us when we filmed this) and this was one of the few episodes where we used a lot of their stuff and were genuinely excited to be using the accessories. I'm sorry it bothers you that we are trying to make a little money on a show that has earned next to nothing in RUclips ads for over 11 years. You did miss out on a fun episode. -Lincoln
I'm all for partnerships with gaming companies, but it grinds my gears a little bit when the flow of an episode is disrupted to promote the partnership. It's probably just me, but thought I'd share.
I totally understand your point but unless you paid for RUclips Premium, you got ads inserted by RUclips's analysis that stuck ads in strange places and every few minutes. I have always curated mid-roll ads in exactly the places these ads are in as best as I could and as few as possible and still try to make the tiny amount of money RUclips pays. Plus these are for actual gaming products we love and not some random ad RUclips selects. Thanks for the note and for watching-Lincoln
best playthrough of this I've seen. I love how you all talk through your turns and read the flavour text. and WOW what bling!!! awesome!
Lincoln... y'all make my life better. I never miss an episode. Thanks for the weekly joy.
Matthew, I'm very happy to hear this. Thank you for the note and for watching-Lincoln
As someone who LOVED Game Night's Arkham Horror playthrough, I was so stoked to watch this playthrough. A shame about the loss, though that's not entirely unexpected. Klaw is a much harder villain than Rhino (the starter villain).
There are a lot of things I'd love to comment on, but I'll try and focus on a few key points. Some are for the Game Night crew, but it's also for people who might be interested in trying this game out, or who are hoping to get better at Marvel Champions after learning the basics.
- A key turning point in the game happened in Stage 2, when Klaw did a lot of scheming at got to the next phase of his main scheme. This is due to having all 4 players ending the phase in alter ego mode. Now, that choice would have made sense if everyone was low on health and are trying to retreat to fight another day, but none of them took advantage of the fact that Lincoln played Webbed Up, which would cancel two attacks from Klaw. Two players could have stayed in hero form and receive no damage from Klaw because of Webbed Up and the ensuing stun. That way, there would have been much less threat on the main scheme (because Klaw only schemes twice and not four times) without the normal downside of losing hit points from the villain attack. In hindsight, Aaron (Captain Marvel) should have stayed in hero form because of Webbed Up and his high remaining hit points relative to the rest of the team. Then either Nikki or Lincoln could join him in hero form.
- There aren't a lot of allies being played until the very end, which is a shame given their versatility. They can thwart and attack and, perhaps most importantly, act as meat shields for the players when the villain and minions attack (more experienced players call this practice 'chump blocking'). Sometimes it makes sense to wring out every damage and thwart you can get from allies (eg. What Lincoln did with Daredevil), but more often than not you want to get them at 1 health before throwing them in front of the villain. Perhaps if the Game Night crew was more aggressive in throwing their allies into the villain meat grinder, they would not have had to take some of Klaw's serious body blows (damage normally doesn't spill over from allies to heroes, as Aaron already mentioned).
- I don't think the playthrough reflects the sort of roles each aspect is supposed to fill within the team. Aaron did allude to it in the how-to-play section, but I want to elaborate more on that:
Aaron (Captain Marvel) was playing the LEADERSHIP aspect, which at the time of the core set revolves around playing allies and improving them. Since we've established that allies can fill multiple functions (defense, attacking, thwarting), this is as close as it gets to a sort of 'generalist' class.
Nikki (Black Panther) was playing the PROTECTION aspect, which (as the name implies) is mostly concerned with taking shots from the villain so no one else on the team has to. Kind of like the 'tank' character from an RPG game.
Lincoln (Spider Man) was playing the JUSTICE aspect, which revolves around thwarting. Thwarting the main scheme so that it won't advance (and perhaps giving players the chance to draw extra cards through returning to alter ego form); and thwarting side schemes to remove their negative effects.
Finally Dave (Iron Man) was playing the AGGRESSION aspect. As deduced by Aaron and the rest of the players, it's the damage class. Damage to the main villain, but also damage against minions that could prove a nuisance.
I could go on, particularly with the risks and rewards of the hero and alter ego forms, but this comment is starting to get too long. I just hope that my insight is helpful to both the Game Night group and to the newer players of the game.
MK
This game has an incredible balancing mechanism...Klaw legitimately got tougher as the heroes became stronger, yet despite being on the razor's edge of death, you managed to survive rounds you thought you were goners. They had to have done a lot of playtesting to make sure the game was this well balanced...I was fully expecting a brutal beatdown much earlier in the game. I also thought the individual hero decks were both well themed, and distinct from the other decks. Despite my feelings that the board game market is over-saturated with Marvel games, I have to say this one at least gets a thumbs up from me.
This game is by far the one that gets the most table time in my little group's weekly game nights, and I was so stoked to see you guys do it. It's a great game, and with resources like Hall of or the CDB, deckbuilding can almost become an obsession (sometimes, thank the universe for net decking). And, it gets the NP Seal of Approval! Thanks Nikki, Aaron, Dave, Lincoln, and all the other "guests" who make my week when the newest episode drops.
I've been a big fan of Marvel Champions for a couple years now, and really enjoyed this play through. I'd love to watch you guys play some more. Maybe one of the box expansions, or the newer X-men characters.
I have been waiting for y'all to play this game. Y'all are my go-to board gaming channel.
To clarify what they said at the start "Living Card Game" isn't just a term to replace "Collectable Card Game" ... and LCG is a non-random method of distribution that Fantasy Flight uses on all of their card games except Keyforge. CCG or TCG are the acronyms for things with randomized booster packs a la Magic, Pokemon, etc.
Yep, I believe they use "Expandable Card Game" for this type of games, i.e. you purchase expansions, which have identical content for everyone. In all honesty, LCG is a very good term, but it is a trademark of Fantasy Flight, so it applies only to their games (and kudos to whoever in their marketing division who came up with the term).
@@zhivik I didn't know it was trademarked! (Smart move.) And I didn't really mean they were exactly equivalent, more that to my mind, LCG has taken over the innovative and publicity-generating space of the card game subgenre that CCGs used to solely dominate.
Exactly! It's so annoying that people can't seem to grasp the difference. Or more likely, they don't care to. They just see that's a card game and assume the worst as far as expenditure and distribution model goes. I'm one of the people who happens to like both.
You guys are the best! I’m all in on Marvel Champions (have everything released to date) but it was so fun to see the core set playthrough, felt like a throwback! And after over 200+ plays overall, it was still so fun to see you guys get to know the game. Sure there were a few rules mistakes, but at the end of day 1) it likely wasn’t that relevant to your success/fail and 2) put my plays (or anyones) of MC on RUclips and I’m certain I’d make a few. There’s a lot going on.
Big props to Aaron for this great teach as well. This will help so many prospective players really know the basics in an easy to understand way.
On the Gamegenic sponsorship, I’m all for it! I do have RUclips premium but I can’t imagine the work that goes into these and I support the extra revenue. At the end of the day this content is free and at least the ads are relevant. The token case looks really cool
Love that the GameNight video on a Marvel cardgame is longer than any Marvel movie ever. Just seen the tutorial part and seems like a very nice game with lots of replay possibilities. Amazing so far 😁❤️
How cool to see this video posted on the same day that I bought my Marvel Champions game! (base game only so far) Came to you tube this morning to start watching how to play videos, made me laugh to see this was posted same day I got my game. Thanks!
Holy cow! The "Rocket Boots" joke was perfect. "I think it's going to be a long, long time... before I see those again." @53:40
We bought this game in January and almost didn't play anything else for months. Between the expansion packs and kept collecting heroes. Fun watching you all play!
I actually love that you have teamed up the game genics! It means no more ads which cannot be skipped or are revalent. And if I did skipped the ad it meant less revenue from advertising. It means I can skip the game genics ads in the video and not effect you revenue.. But the game genics ads are not many bad to watch so I tend to watch them!
Exactly this! I love the relevant ads, no complaints here either
The inevitable “This game is easy” from Dave makes me so happy.
My number one most played game and one I never expected to see on GameNight. Enjoyable playthrough as always!
I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU GUYS ARE EVEN PLAYING THIS GAME. Wooo
Watching your videos make it so much easier to understand game play rather than someone just saying how it works or reading the manuals. Thank you so much!
On the note in the End Discussion section relating to the Arkham Horror LCG, the new Revised Core Set now includes enough player cards to build 4 player decks out of the box! They definitely learned their lesson with Marvel Champions since I agree, the old core set was lacking in that regard, but at least new releases are fixed!
That's great to know! It was our major issue, and I love all things Arkham.
I love how everything that can happen in a game, happened in this one. Few mistakes, and misplays (like futurist could still be done when Tony is exhausted) but overall a great tutorial and game! Love it!
It's kind of fun watching folks make more mistakes at this game than I do. There is so much that's happening on all these cards it feels near impossible to track all of what's going on. Especially in a four-player game. Nice to see you guys play something that seems out of character for the channel.
At 1:02:15 Licoln has to add 2 threat but changes 2 1's for a 5, which would mean that you didn't finish the plan yet that round.
Also, you should have already lost at 2:13:48 as there is 32 threat on the plan.
Numbers! How do they work? It's like everyone has their own opinion. :D
4x8=36 😁
I simply love this show 😀 Always fun and laughs and great coverage and explanations of games - Ty ty so much all of ya 😄
Wish you guys played games more than once. Especially games like this and Arkham Horror with new scenerios and campaigns.
Iron man can use his gauntlets and helmet independently. You don't have to use them with the hero attack or thwarts. That would have made a huge difference. There were a few turns where they weren't used at all.
I'm very surprised you guys haven't played this but ik its going to be good. When I see the second bar is long, ik its good and it's over 3 hours. Let's go!!
Dave's "Rocket Boots... I think it's gonna be a long, long time" comment was criminally underappreciated. Well done, sir.
Here - Here 😀
Late to watching this playthrough, loved seeing the discussions of “If we do this, then we could have this happen.” Those are my favorite moments of this game. Awesome video
Love that you guys are doing this game. One little clarification (and I haven’t finished the video so maybe it comes up later) - the hero and alter ego “once per turn” abilities are separate so you can do both in the same turn. When Aaron flips to hero form during his first turn he keeps that “I already used my ability” marker on there but it wasn’t really necessary…he could have used the hero ability too (not on that turn because she was at full health, but just in general).
One more: Lincoln could not have used the web-shooter as Peter on turn 3 when he did, because it’s a Hero Resource and he was still in alter ego.
But in practice it wouldn’t have made any difference, you flipped to Spider-Man right after so you could have just flipped first. Just clarifying for those new to the game that it’s important to look for those “hero” or “alter ego” keywords. Loving the video so far!
@@chrisb.8758 There's a later turn (I'm not going to scrub thru 3 hours to find it!) where I definitely used Captain Marvel's and Carol's once-per-turn abilities, I think even immediately back to back after flipping the card, so we were aware of it, or figured it out eventually.
@@Cappocchi awesome. I finished the video eventually but I must have missed that one. Just wanted to clarify for folks who are new to the game since I see that get asked a lot on forums and stuff. Really enjoyed seeing you guys play this one. It’s probably my favorite game right now and I’m not even a comics/Marvel fan. Every character feels so unique and different to play and the aspect system is brilliant.
I love 4 player champions, but also Helicarrier and avengers mansion are some of the strongest cards in the game so make sure you prioritize them especially in 4 player as you can pass them to other players
As always I love seeing you guys put out videos!
Good game but Iron Man was being used incorrectly. The upgrades aren't interrupt effects used in conjunction with a basic action. They are their own thwart and attack actions made by exhausting the upgrades.
Just a clarification for future games.
It'd be great to see you all try again after taking some time to build decks beyond the pre-cons.
As a new fan of both the game and the channel would love to see this game again but with an expansion
Its the one game I and my friend played the most !, 2p. It’s too long at 4 and to easy. 3p is ok. Not played more than few times more than 2p. Solo is hard and very swingy. But fun. You can play 2-3 heroes yourself too. It’s a amazing game. Love it 😍
I just started watching the video and maybe you mention it later, but everyone has the right player mat except Aaron. Playing Captain Marvel with a Captain America mat. I’m going to try to ignore it and not let it bug me. Lol
Excellent video! This was a blast to watch and even half way though I pulled out my collection and started building a deck while watching. I haven't played for a while but might get back into it. I'd love to see a series where you 4 play through a scenario box like Red Skull or something. That would be fun to watch.
Second that. This was a great a video, and if they did a run of a campaign I’d be mega interested.
Love Dave screwing y'all in the foot.😂😂. Pure comedic cinema
YESSSS Oh man this will be such a fun watch!
Just a slight note on the "living card game" thing- I believe that's a trademark of Fantasy Flight, who just want to be different, so every other manufacturer will continue to call them Collectible card games.
Love the gamegenics collab
So elegant in your form. Congrats
I got the Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy reference! Television, The Drug of the Nation is a classic (he says, in the middle of a RUclips binge...)
Was this really the first time you guys played Marvel Champions? I'm surprised since it's been out for a while. Glad you enjoyed the defeat! 🤣
It was the first play for all of us except me (I only played it once in Jan. 2020) but it was not the last :-). Nikki and I played it with Dave a few days later and we played it several times on the BGG Cruise 2 1/2 weeks ago. It really is fun. I played Dr. Strange and Captain Marvel and really enjoyed them both. Looking to get more of the expansions. Thanks for the note and for watching-Lincoln
I appreciate Daves Owl Tootsie Roll Pop reference.
@2:13:50 I dont want to be "that guy" but 8x 4 is 32 not 36
I thought that, before revealing the boosts from an attack, each player needed to choose to defend w either an ally or your hero or take the damage "undefended" to your hero?
You are correct
As someone new to the game, I came across the idea of tracking damage taken rather than hitpoints remaining with the dials.
The game was clearly designed with this mentality, so it makes the rules more intuitive IMO. And it's consistent with how Allies and Minions take damage.
51:28 The Hero damage apply only to the hero form characters, Tony shouldn't lose 1 health.
You four are iconic. Are there any GN! figurines in the works? If so I want a Dave one!
This is cool! Thx, great video!
I like watching you're videos on games you all play. Can you play with new heroes.
Just got the game, I didn't see anyone mention this. Using your Basic Exhausts the character (p. 11) and changing form "character remains in the same state (ready or exhausted) (top of p.11). So, as I read it, you can't use your basic power, change form and then attack.
Love this game but 4 player is a slog! Superb at 2 and fun solo also 😄
Thanks guys
I was just wondering if/when you would play Marvel Chanpions. Love this game solo or as a pair!
This seems like the hardest game y'all have ever played. Yall did a great job!!! I hope one day, yall retry this game as a rematch. I know it's not y'all's style, but if you get new characters then maybe it is okay.
Next time, we need DAW playing Karen Page.
PS: nice shirt, Lincoln. :)
Second. And... so nice to see you guys playing Marvel Champions!
3:18 he was so powerful he didn't need Thanos' gauntlet to alter reality. Nice.
1:26:29 No one messes with the black panther.... or the leader of Wakanda.
Didn't that side-scheme card you placed at the beginning of the game say you had to remove all of its threat BEFORE you clear any on the main scheme? You guys forgot about that after the first round I think, because on the third round, you were all removing a ton of threat tokens from the main scheme while leaving the side-scheme for Aaron to clear on his turn.
I'm a huge Marvel fan and I saw Aaron play with Captain Marvel with Captain America's player mat! Oops!
Didn’t have Cap’s deck or Carol’s mat so adjustments had to be made. Thanks for the note and for watching-Lincoln
Nice editing at 3:19
This sounds a lot, is this possible with a kid? Was thinking of buying this and playing it with my 6yr old
The game is likely a little advanced for a 6 year old but since it is cooperative you could play with open hands to help them along to understand how the cards work. Then you will have an advanced deck builder player to play more games with! Thanks for the note and for watching. -Lincoln
I played 4 player Marvel Champions exactly one time. I wouldn't suggest it lol. It's like a 1-2 player game in my mind :)
We've now played it several times in 2-4 player configurations and I have enjoyed it every time. 3 or 4 player games do require more time but it was really fun coordinating things and helping other players. Thanks for the note and for watching-Lincoln
Yeah with each player, you're basically adding another hour of game play. If everyone is down for that, cool. I usually play solo, but would love to play with more players.
at 50:10 when Aaron was about to get his drawn event effect, Nikki played a card from her hand to interrupt it. I don't know what the exact rule wording is, but in the pregame rule explanation Aaron said you can only play cards from your hand on YOUR turn, not on other players turns. Does that only apply to the "player turns" or does that apply to the villain phase as well? I was just curious if this broke the rules or if the rules do allow it in this phase.
You can do any action and play an Event that is an action on any player's turn. Interrupt/Responses can be played whenever the condition applies. For example, in the scenario you mentioned - Get Behind Me can be played anytime Treachery would be revealed. No other restrictions apply.
Old people playing board games, my favorite kind of entertainment.
at 58m couldn't stark flip to iron man, and use the arc reactor to get him unexausted so he could be used?
Yes, but doing so would drastically reduce IronMan’s handsize from 6 to 3. Since it is linked to the amount of his tech in play. Tony doesn’t like to go out heroing before he has his armor on. XD
wow that was easy mode? Can't imagine how you could ever complete this.
Game Night! Going all in on the Gamegenic sponsorship
Well they had some amazing accessories for the game. Gamegenic does not do that for many games though. Thanks for the note and for watching-Lincoln
@@boardgamegeek I love it! I was actually convinced to buy the Catan Hex Dice Towers to use with non-catan games. I also bought a ton of sleeves from Gamegenic
I bought this game and still haven’t played because it’s so intimidating trying to learn how to play.
I'm that guy who is really interested in this game, but wishes it wasn't Marvel. I still have Arkham Horror at least (is it bad I only start the next game with 3 sanity?)
Wasn't big on Marvel, I just had basic hero knowledge going into this game and that hasn't stopped it from becoming my, hands down, all time favorite to this day!
@@Dreadbaron There's even characters I'd love to play (mostly Wanda and She-Hulk vs the world), but its harder to get excited by any of the villains. Still, I'm still here, considering...
@@Dreadbaron For what it's worth, I have succumbed, and just beat down (basic) Rhino with Black Widow.
@@theunamiable IMO, Black Widow is one of the most fun heroes in the game. She has a unique style of play, a neat little puzzle, which if you solve correctly it somehow wins you the game without you actively working on that 😆 Justice with her is top tier, though I pair her with protection and it's a blast.
What is the card holder called that the villain encounter deck is housed in?
Echo Echo, we used a Squire deck box from Gamegenic. They are our sponsor but I can say without hesitation we love these boxes. Thanks for the note and for watching.-Lincoln
Have yall ever played Marvel united on this page?
We have! ruclips.net/video/soUrvGBmyzk/видео.html Thanks for the note and for watching-Lincoln
you guys a great can you Please do a review on Masters of the universe battle ground 2 player Archon
They forgot the extra card from the accelerations every time
What's the orange card holder y'all are drawing cards from?
That’s one of Gamegenic’s Squire Card vaults. Thanks for the note and for watching-Lincoln
This has been my experience. The game is super hard and kind of makes me not want to keep coming back. Wish it was not as difficult.
So how do people feel. This vs Legendary?
This by far
Champions hands down
Definitely Champions by far
I feel like the comparison is unfair. The complexity of champions is higher so they can make heroes and villains feel unique where legendary is more of a card system with a theme worked into it. It can't really compete with what champions can do but it sacrifices that for accessibility. It can be daunting to explain this game to new people and I dread playing it with more than 2. It is really awesome solo or 2 player though.
I know this is a year late.
Marvel Legendary was a huge flop for me. I played it once, and was completely bored during the whole game. The fact that they reused the same images for various cards just annoyed the heck out of me and felt lazy. (I heard they changed this with later sets).
When I got Marvel Champions, I realized that this was exactly the game that I had hoped Marvel Legendary was. I'd give Legendary a 4/10 and Champions a 9/10
It buffles me that Spider-man base deck, the one that the manual recomends you to build for him, is justice. He is TERRIBLE at thwarting. His only hero card that deals with threat and the like, it's spider tracer which is horrible. It has some use with claw, but even in core, there is just better options. And his basic thwart is one. So, most of the time, you are not using your hero to thwart. In fact, you will be exhausted often, because you will want to use that incredibly powerful 3 base DEF he has, meaning you will be tapped when your turn begins. On top of that, your power cares about being attacked, which is what core protection is about. Get behind me! is an incredible double down with Spider-Man's power as you get to cycle it, cancel a terrible treachery that could sink the table's momentum, give you another oportunity to use your defense stat and then you have built-in tools to avoid the damage if you are already exhausted. Because of his higher def stat and the extra draw he gets from being attacked, he's great with indomitable, which readies him after defending. You could make the case that Black Panther can play the proteaction allies, Black Widow and Luke Cage, better, because Vibranium allows him to carry 3 extra double resource cards, but then you have to take into account Spider-man's web-shooters, which generate the perfect mana to use for events during the villain's turn. Which is when you will play get behind me and Spider-man's enhanced Spider-Sense.
I like most of this video, although, I find that there is a lot of talking over Nikki, and that gives me a weird feeling in my stomach.
That's a big box for not much on the table.
You're paying for utility; for the capacity of the game to render it's elegance
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"Paying for utility"
What do you mean?
Then explain: "the capacity of the game to render its (note correct spelling) elegance" ?
@@flickingbollocks5542 I think you'll find that's incorrect grammar, actually. Pesky phone. It's like when I type in NUMPTY and it gives me nompty, for example. 🙄
@@Basilisk4119
It's a spelling mistake, not grammar.
Can you explain in plain English what "Paying for utility" and "the capacity of the game to render its elegance" means...?
@@flickingbollocks5542 It's a grammatical error. It is not a spelling mistake because the letters are all present and in the right sequence. As for explaining myself, why should I? What's in it for me? Buy a dictionary.
With all these paid promotions, have they ever not liked a game? Would love to watch that episode. Seems like everything is great! love these videos, would be interesting....
We only feature games we are excited about. Not many people want to watch us slog through a game we aren't enjoying. Thanks for the note and for watching-Lincoln
I can't think of any that everyone disliked, but it's not particularly uncommon for one person to not be a fan of a game. Aaron didn't care for Spirit Island, for example.
@@mgk2020 I believe Aaron also disliked Rocco. I remember because I love that game.
I couldn't make it last the five minutes of shilling right out of the gate.
@BobLee-df4zh Gamegenic is our sponsor (and new to us when we filmed this) and this was one of the few episodes where we used a lot of their stuff and were genuinely excited to be using the accessories.
I'm sorry it bothers you that we are trying to make a little money on a show that has earned next to nothing in RUclips ads for over 11 years. You did miss out on a fun episode. -Lincoln
Buncha' Nerds. ;)
They made this game too complicated. It sounds like playing Mage Knight. Omg
I'm all for partnerships with gaming companies, but it grinds my gears a little bit when the flow of an episode is disrupted to promote the partnership. It's probably just me, but thought I'd share.
I totally understand your point but unless you paid for RUclips Premium, you got ads inserted by RUclips's analysis that stuck ads in strange places and every few minutes. I have always curated mid-roll ads in exactly the places these ads are in as best as I could and as few as possible and still try to make the tiny amount of money RUclips pays. Plus these are for actual gaming products we love and not some random ad RUclips selects. Thanks for the note and for watching-Lincoln
@@boardgamegeek i do pay for premium and fwiw i don't mind it for the reasons you mentioned
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