I just got my G20s reshafted and regripped, and was kind of regretting putting that amount of money in when I could have bought newer ones. But after seeing this video I don’t feel so bad anymore, thanks !
I'll never understand why people think its better to hit a 9 iron 175. The majority of rec golfers' approach shots are from 175 and under. Wouldn't it make sense to have more clubs in that range? The old lofts just make more sense to me! And, new clubs attempt to do this with the added u-wedges, sand wedges, lob wedges, etc.
Great review. I am impressed just how competitive the revolutionary Ping Eye 2 remains. I have a set in my garage 2-SW, but the shafts have rusted so I don't play them now. It took about 25 years before I felt that a better iron was available, but only marginally. Now I have the original 2015 year Callaway Epic 3-AW.
@@garlichoto4669 I think so, but :. Check to see if the grips are in good shape or it will cost about $9 a club to replace. Give the grips a wipe down with a little soap and water which will make them less slippery if they are worn and see what you think. Also make sure the groves are not worn. If they are forget it. They will not be as forgiving as modern cavity backs, but still quite good. The lofts are "traditional" - 7 iron is 36*, so they will play about a club shorter, but that really does not matter much.
Super happy to see this test! I am a 16 handicap. I used ping eye 2 from 1986 for about 20 years. I went from there to ping i10 and then to Ping g10 (both used). Not sure I could tell a difference. I then got fitted for ping g420. The feel was terrible and I’m not sure anything changed. Still carry my g10 3 iron. In the end you sort of proved a point. The irons from today, especially The Ping Eye 2, hasn’t come very far in 35 years. 6 yards farther in 35 years???? That’s likely on the green bud or I club up. 3-5 yards more forgiving is a tough call with the 10k dollars easy spent by people upgrading there gear In a 35 year span. The 420 feel is trash compared to the eye 2....
I think you’re just terrible at adapting. I was hovering around 6-7 handicap. Switching to a full G425 set, I went to a 2-3 handicap. You either had a terrible fitting or are just capped at your skill level.
@@useryeah5350 likely you just played more or focused more post fitting. As clubs get stronger lift you are just forced to carry more wedges. They eye 2 pw os todays gap wedge at 50°. With older wedges you can play long irons or hybrids at the top and less wedges
I think you are right. My understanding is the face of the G425 is forged stainless steel. That's different than the cast G10's construction. Its a far different feel. I didn't like them either I play with G2's. Remember the new irons are 3 or 4 degrees stronger - so ya, they go farther. What a surprise. Buy a uses set of G10's, tweak the loft to match todays loft and watch what happens.
EXACTLY what I've been wanting to see, thank you! I have an Eye 2 set, a G iron set, and no way I need a 425! Love the feel of the G irons, and they soar, too. Hard to beat for a higher handicapper like myself.
My eye 2 irons I miss bud. The feel was so much better then my 420’s which were fitted to me. I got $150 on trade. One of the biggest regrets of my life. Product development has to occur. The companies already have the 2023 stuff ready to go and are working on 2025. “Product development”. What we don’t know is the the best driver ever created may have been a 2007 model. When the computer has nothing left to offer they still have to change it even if it’s worse. All in the realm of product development. Gotta sell the new stuff. I’m trying Mizuno next to see if I can find better feel. If it doesn’t work I’m going back to Ping eye 2. Maybe I treat myself to copper. 😘
i have a 2007 driver..make/model is a secret in case i want to buy a backup..this titanium driver goes strqighter and farther than any carbon, adjustable driver..i try everyones on the range..usga set limits on drivwrs around 2007 so nothing can go farther..it is.all just marketing bs.
From just reading charts, if you have G20 or older, just skip the 7 iron and club up to get "modern" lofts. Actually, why does it matter at all? If you need a certain distance, you just grab the club that hits that distance for you? Who cares if it is a 7 iron or a 5 iron?
@@larrybud lower number clubs are always longer. If you can’t swing well the clubs you have now why upgrade and spend lots of money for nothing? It’s ass nine to think you need to upgrade regularly. Length of club shouldn’t matter at all. If you think you need to upgrade for that reason then gold shouldn’t be your sport
@@kaden1499 Go back to the original question, which was "Who cares if it is a 7 iron or a 5 iron?" The answer of why it matters is because a 5 iron is physically longer than a 7 iron, which makes it more difficult for a center contact. That's why length matters, not just in driving, but in hitting irons. It's always going to be more beneficial to hit an 8 iron from 160 than someone who needs to hit a 5 iron from 160, one because of the length of the club, and two because of the loft.
Liked the comparison. We should keep in mind though that testing a club from the 'i' eye range will give lower trajectory and less forgiveness than a 'g' range of iron as it was essentially a player's iron. But I liked those numbers from yesteryear, seems like not much has changed except the number on the bottom of the club. Great swinging by the way 👍
Good observation. Technology has changed a lot in the last few years and there are many iron categories today. It's pretty safe to say new is better than old. - Thomas
I got a set of black dot ping eye 2s, 3-SW for $125 in stellar condition and new grips. How much are the new pings? I think technology has improved the driver more than irons.
Even the drivers haven’t changed much since the 460cc era. I still play the 2007 Callaway 460(black n red one). I hit it just as far as my buddies Sim2. As far as irons…. I switch it up between my Callaway X-12’s, and my Ping ISI’s. I play near scratch.
Great review....I play with mizuno jpx921 forged but just bought a set of ping eye 2 + irons...went down the range for a first hit and for 30 years plus iron you can't half get them up in the air...plus I get mote spin off the 8 9 P than I do with my own irons.....think ill regrip these and take them on the course...
It would be nice to see you do two days of testing. First day starting with eye 2 but the next day ending with eye 2. Then average those numbers, by the time you hit the modern irons you were warmed up, no doubt you’ll have that better connection with them after warming up.
Thank you for this, I've had a set of Jack Nicklaus clubs since forever. Just got fitted yesterday at the Md location and picked up the Ping G. Irons are forgiving and gave me an additional 15 yards on carry. Excited for my next golf lesson this week.
Mark Crossfield did something similar yesterday. I literally bought another used set of Eye 2 yesterday hahaha. I played them in the 90's and then went to the G5. I am now playing the 921 Tour. I would love to find an affordable set of the BeCu Eye 2
I was fitted for the G5 and later the G and I always felt disappointed with the newer club. I didn't see a improvement in performance. Recently moved to Orka RS10 and I'm more than happy I did.
Having gone through the lineup of Ping Irons, would love to see the Rapture v1 irons compared in the future. They were ahead of their time with multi-titanium construction, lightweight titanium face to shift cg back, tungsten toe for MOI…. There was also a J-Spec version with less offset for the Japanese market.
@@dickinseider7125 The V1 is a smaller profile than the V2. I prefer the look of it personally and going by Maltby Playability Factor, it is one of the most forgiving clubs both horizontally and vertically. I also really like the sole profile of it for a Game Improvement club. It has relief in the leading edge and trailing edge. I haven't played the V2, but have played the G20's which are a similar profile and they're a bit too chunky imo. But, that's personal preference. I'm sure they're fine clubs as well for someone else.
Your ‘teaser’ image looks like company old Spalding Cannons from 1985 to the. Mizuno MP54 set I acquired nearly a decade ago. Cannons were 2-PW while the MP54s are 3-PW. The Mizunos of course are better in all phases: distance, control and forgiveness. But I did play some great rounds with those Cannons.
Looking at the dispersion of each club, I’d go for the g5 because they are grouped up the closest. At least that’s how I judge what I want. The more predictable the club, the better. That leads to more greens hit.
Very good info and thx. My 15 year old is just getting into golf and using my old Ping ISI-K's. We also have some G10's, but may have to check out what you offer. Thx
Most today associate “forgiveness” in irons with a resistance to face deflection with off-center hits but the factor which motivated Solheim to create high-MOI putters and the PING was automatically keeping the face square to the swing arc in the takeaway and impact. This is evidenced in the “face balance” of the old Bulleye putters which hang vertically when suspended on a finger causing the toe bias to twist the club in the hands, open in the backswing and closed during downswing. By comparison a PING Anser style putter will hang at a 40°-45° angle causing it to stay automatically square to the type of inside-square putting stoke used back in the 1960s. Because everyone very quickly adopted the high MOI methodology for the “game improvement” category of irons is difficult to appreciate how different the PING EYE and EYE2 are unless comparing them to the blade irons from the 1960s and 1970s which I did for grins and giggles after finding both at thrift stores and re-gripping them identically before even swinging them for a similar “feel in hands” comparison. The difference in toe bias can be felt at the point in the backswing the force rotates the lead arm and cocks the wrists to guide the club up to the top of the backswing and when adjusting toe/face angle from square to hit fades and draws. The difference between the EYE2 and later similar high MOI designs just isn’t felt as much. In my experience the Maltby Playability Index which assigns a numerical score for “foregiveness” based on objective technical measurements tracks with how the the clubs feel. Those with a lower MPF having lower MOIs and more of a tendency to try to twist off square from the swing line making it more difficult to swing consistently.
I played with the Eye 2 yesterday. Played them 2 clubs stronger than usual. After a couple holes of getting used to them. The final score wasn't any different than my usual low 90s. Went 52 front 44 back. Only thing I didn't like was the 4 iron even though went almost the same distance as my Rogue ST Max 6 iron.... the flight was low. Off center hits... you'll feel it in your hands lol
Great comparison. Love to see with Apex 16, 19, 21 (DCB, Reg, Pro) which I believe have been best selling irons for sometime. Love Ping - they do things right.
I have a set of Ping Eye 2's, and a set of Ping G15's and a set of Ping Karstan II's ......so, let me start with what i did....I like my old Ping Eye 2's, so I had the old shafts taken out, and replaced them with KBS shafts, much lighter. I also had them bent (loft) my 5 iron is now 24* and 6 iron 28* and my 7 iron 31.5* and my 8 iron 35* and 9 iron 40* and PW 45*....i then found another Ping Eye 2 PW and had it bent to 50* , using it for a gap wedge and sand wedge stayed the same 57.5* .......talk about a set of nice clubs, they hit very well and I play them the most....it beats going out and buying a new set of irons and they're fitted just for you and your game.
It’s amazing that the Ping Eye2 is still competitive considering that it’s at least a club and half weaker than the modern clubs. They really were ahead of their time.
The new clubs are not the norm as far as loft's go. A tour pro played them for 20 years, great clubs for sure. Dispersion straight off the shelf is top notch to fit a bunch of different golfers. Just grab the club- iron # that you need to play your game with at the time and you will be just fine. Plus these clubs will last 3x longer than any new club out right now.
Maybe competitive in the hands of this guy but I just replaced my eye2’s with g430’s and I hit these waaaaaay better than the Eye2’s which seem to have a sweet spot the size of a dime
@@miguelitoaniceto5882 You can get them bent and just pick a different club. Dispersion tests showed ping eye 2 beating most new iron's so they definitely are still relevant.
I have a set of i3 O-Size Ping orange dots and a set of Callaway Diablo Edge clubs. They are different but I enjoy playing with both. I use whichever I feel I want each time I golf. Each has a great feel to them and I do not like one more than the other. Now my drivers. That's a different story altogether...
Eye 2 s are simply the greatest irons ever made, even today there's at least 5-6 good golf members at any club still using them...... They've saved some money because they're so good after 40 years
I bought a set from 2ndswing early on and still keep the 6 iron in my trunk just in case. But have you seen the PXG 2021 lofts? Their 7 iron is 28, so maybe an Eye2 5 iron!
Thank you for doing this comparison. I currently game the ping i3+ I would love to see the results without the mishit. I’m really trying to see if the newer irons can compare to the old ( of course comparing the correct lofts )
True, since we don't have the carry info per hit, I would estimate that the avarege carry based on the dots on the screen, excluding the miss fire, is about 166-167. Then you add about 10 yards for the loft difference and you get 177 carry. Also look at the dispersion without the mishit! I have i3 Os as well and looked into the G425. They didn't look good in person and for now I am not embarrassed to play the i3s anymore 😂 Just forget the number on the club and focus on the loft. As a high handicapper, my biggest upgrade needs to be my club speed, not the hardware. Usually the misfits are taken out in these tests but in this case it would make it harder to sell these new clubs, no? 😂
Just watched the video. The fella is definitely hard to watch but does a pretty decent job showing numbers. My issue with new technology is that it really isn't changing in professional gamer irons. It changes mostly in the forgiving and game improvement irons. You see that most with weight distribution and stronger loft. Ping has always been a great iron but the older irons have the standard loft and not the current 6 iron is a 7 iron etc changes.
There's also something to consider while you're talking about the differences in clubs. The length of the clubs have gotten longer, which would help change the distance.
bingo..tthey left that out on purpose...my zing 2 3iron is the.exact length and loft of a paradym callaway 5 iron.and both go the exact same distance...thats why payadyms dont come with a 3 or 4 iron..no one could hit them
interesting, i upgraded to G20's back when they came out and felt my game inproved albeit i consider myself a hacker. I also bought my Father in law some Ping eye 2's for his first set, but when he past i was given them back, so recently looked into getting them lengthened to suit my game as i want to have a go. My only question is how hard to get the lie changed as my G20's are white when the the Eye2's are Red's.
There are some Ping G5 Iron’s from 3-SE that I’m thinking about buying. I’m currently using the Cobra Fly-Z XL (2015 model) irons but I only have 6-PW. What do people think, is it worth me changing them? Thanks in advance
people talk about the lofts getting stronger. In reality what has happened is that the gap wedge was added which replaced the pitching wedge and the rest of the clubs where given stronger lofts The seven iron has become the six iron of old. If you will look the shaft of the older six is the same length as the shaft of the newer seven irons. In reality the irons have not changed that much they have just been given a new number where the six of old is now the seven with the newer clubs. A fair comparison would be to hit the irons with the same loft.
Yeah, I don't know why people get so excited? For any given distance, just grab your club that hits that distance, be it a 7 or 5 iron. We don't all play the same distances, so why would we all play the same iron number? I don't get it. About the Gap wedge: why do we need it? Just move the ball 1/2 ball back.
AFAIK in researching replacing my Eye 2’s , and buying G430s the old club heads are 1 type of metal so they were limited in where they could place the centre of gravity. New clubs use multiple alloys strategically placed to lower the CG lower than the old clubs making it easier to get the ball in the air, so they had to de-loft the face to compensate. I’m talking mainly game improvement clubs here. Ps I really struggled with the Eye 2’s but love the G430s, straight, way more distance and way more forgiving.
I am a 15hcp playing with a set of G5's. Just came across aset of G 20, Is it worth the upgrade? Or is it merely the stronger loft? I dont mind taking a 7 iron when the guys with the newer clubs hit an 8 with stronger loft.
I have eye2 in the bag. New is fine but im not a professional or competing. I play for the experience and fun. Im a nostalgic creature anyway. I might buy 425 for the woods but not really the irons.
After seeing the g430, I’m thinking about moving to the g425 4,5 hybrid + 6-UW coming from the ping g20 4-LW. I prefer the look of the g425 over the g430.
This is one of my favorite videos you all have ever done. Can’t believe I’m only now seeing it. Thomas, one question for you: You mentioned feeling like you could swing the G425 4 iron faster than the Eye 2 3 iron. Why is that? Is it related to the head weight, the swingweight, the shafts? Just curious what gave you that feeling. The standout to me in this test was the G5. Doesn’t have all the modern tech, but you still get a super forgiving shape and sole, with spin rates that are sort of on par with modern players’ irons and could work just fine on fast greens.
There are some older clubs like the G5 that still perform very well. Its more of a total weight mainly head weight but i'm sure the shaft and head combo in newer tec was the leading cause - Thomas
@@pongsolo Finally cracked the shafts of my G15 7 and 9 iron, called Ping and they told me to get the 425. Going to get a Ping G or newer 7 and 5 iron to see if a new set is worth it because the G15 is one of the highest Pings rated on the Maltby Playability index for Ping.
What I got from this video is that Jack Nickaus, Arnold Palmer, Lee Trevino and Gary Player we waaaay more skilled golfers than young guys today with balls and clubs that go 20-50 yards further.
Just trying to close the loft gap between old and new clubs. G10 7 iron is 35 degree and the retro spec g425 is 33 I believe. Trying to see if the ball won’t fly as far as the regular loft and gain more spin.
Paused early....I'm hoping when you compare you compare shots with similar club speed & strike not just averages 👍 (sorry, pet peeve of mine) Edit: Doh! 😁
I bought a set of Ping eye 2’s in the 80’s then I bought a set of Ping G15s. Then I got a set of g410,s now I have the g425,s I have loved ever one of my sets i still have all of the sets just cause I guess. Every set was great as far as I’m concerned. I just wanted to upgrade as I got older I thought I needed more forgiveness.
On my 18th birthday I had a set bought Iv not bought another set since. Iv just had them refurbished 6 mouths ago (shafts, grips) and still out performs anything about today If it’s not broke then don’t fix Besides to the average golfer you won’t see any difference, you really have to be at the top of your game imo. Golf is getting too complicated. I see people buying drivers worth £600 plus and still hitting the ball 260 yards or not even thst
The newer equipment is much more forgiving for the higher handicap golfer. On doubt a good shot will work out fine with older technology but we don't always hit the sweet spot - Thomas
instead of explaining why the clubs are different pick the same lofted clubs not the clubs with the same number stamped on them, would be a fairer comparison
I think you shouldn’t hold yourself back to match club head speed. One of the underrated parts of newer irons is how they help you up your club head speed which helps with distance and other things as well. I know you’re trying for consistency but we need to know the difference between them in as many areas as you can. Just an opinion
to me the only ways newer clubs would help you swing faster is if the shaft was longer and lighter and if the head was smaller or made out of a lighter material..i think you are fooled by how a modern longer shafted 5 iron is really just a traditional 3 iron...sure your modern 5 iron is as long as a trad 3i but thats because it is really a 3i
Feedback purely from a statistical point of view: 1. You need 10 hits per iron to have even a basic level of statistical confidence. 2. You should throw out the two furthest outliers per club, so shoot two extra and discard two. 3. You should alternate clubs on every hit, to correct fatigue/warmup factor. Amazing shooting though, extremely consistent.
Thanks for the feedback. I like the idea of more data for sure. However fatigue and time can be an issue depending on the golfer. In a fitting we notice fatigue 40-50 shots in. When comparing heads 3-4 heads and 2-3 shafts that shot count adds up pretty fast. I'm a proponent for more data but after 5-6 shots you can begin to draw conclusions - Thomas
Too many stats for the novice. I wanted to know the distance in comparison to each loft for the different models. Too confusing with the spin rates and all that other crap
Great video. I wish you had taken out the i3 miss hit instead of letting it skew the data set.
Thank you. Good comparison. Still gonna keep playing my Ping Eye 2s.
Thanks for watching
Still play ping zing 2
Ping ISI BeCu and Eye 2 BeCU
I just got my G20s reshafted and regripped, and was kind of regretting putting that amount of money in when I could have bought newer ones. But after seeing this video I don’t feel so bad anymore, thanks !
Sometimes playing what you know and are used to is best! Ping has always had great irons! Thank you for watching!
I'll never understand why people think its better to hit a 9 iron 175. The majority of rec golfers' approach shots are from 175 and under. Wouldn't it make sense to have more clubs in that range? The old lofts just make more sense to me! And, new clubs attempt to do this with the added u-wedges, sand wedges, lob wedges, etc.
Great review. I am impressed just how competitive the revolutionary Ping Eye 2 remains. I have a set in my garage 2-SW, but the shafts have rusted so I don't play them now. It took about 25 years before I felt that a better iron was available, but only marginally. Now I have the original 2015 year Callaway Epic 3-AW.
Re shaft the pings the are .355 fitment i have a set and still very playable
Is ping eye 2 set 3 I-pw for $100 a good deal. Im new to golf and have an option to buy them
@@garlichoto4669 I think so, but :. Check to see if the grips are in good shape or it will cost about $9 a club to replace. Give the grips a wipe down with a little soap and water which will make them less slippery if they are worn and see what you think. Also make sure the groves are not worn. If they are forget it. They will not be as forgiving as modern cavity backs, but still quite good. The lofts are "traditional" - 7 iron is 36*, so they will play about a club shorter, but that really does not matter much.
@@JDSFLA thanks for the advise..will look at them this weekend
Super happy to see this test! I am a 16 handicap. I used ping eye 2 from 1986 for about 20 years. I went from there to ping i10 and then to Ping g10 (both used). Not sure I could tell a difference. I then got fitted for ping g420. The feel was terrible and I’m not sure anything changed. Still carry my g10 3 iron. In the end you sort of proved a point. The irons from today, especially The Ping Eye 2, hasn’t come very far in 35 years. 6 yards farther in 35 years???? That’s likely on the green bud or I club up. 3-5 yards more forgiving is a tough call with the 10k dollars easy spent by people upgrading there gear In a 35 year span. The 420 feel is trash compared to the eye 2....
I think you’re just terrible at adapting. I was hovering around 6-7 handicap. Switching to a full G425 set, I went to a 2-3 handicap. You either had a terrible fitting or are just capped at your skill level.
@@useryeah5350 likely you just played more or focused more post fitting. As clubs get stronger lift you are just forced to carry more wedges. They eye 2 pw os todays gap wedge at 50°. With older wedges you can play long irons or hybrids at the top and less wedges
I think you are right. My understanding is the face of the G425 is forged stainless steel. That's different than the cast G10's construction. Its a far different feel. I didn't like them either I play with G2's. Remember the new irons are 3 or 4 degrees stronger - so ya, they go farther. What a surprise. Buy a uses set of G10's, tweak the loft to match todays loft and watch what happens.
EXACTLY what I've been wanting to see, thank you! I have an Eye 2 set, a G iron set, and no way I need a 425! Love the feel of the G irons, and they soar, too. Hard to beat for a higher handicapper like myself.
My eye 2 irons I miss bud. The feel was so much better then my 420’s which were fitted to me. I got $150 on trade. One of the biggest regrets of my life. Product development has to occur. The companies already have the 2023 stuff ready to go and are working on 2025. “Product development”. What we don’t know is the the best driver ever created may have been a 2007 model. When the computer has nothing left to offer they still have to change it even if it’s worse. All in the realm of product development. Gotta sell the new stuff. I’m trying Mizuno next to see if I can find better feel. If it doesn’t work I’m going back to Ping eye 2. Maybe I treat myself to copper. 😘
@@pudelpointer22 What's a 420?
@@wretchedrider2157 sorry, typo! I meant G410
Yep I have g5 & Eye 2
i have a 2007 driver..make/model is a secret in case i want to buy a backup..this titanium driver goes strqighter and farther than any carbon, adjustable driver..i try everyones on the range..usga set limits on drivwrs around 2007 so nothing can go farther..it is.all just marketing bs.
From just reading charts, if you have G20 or older, just skip the 7 iron and club up to get "modern" lofts. Actually, why does it matter at all? If you need a certain distance, you just grab the club that hits that distance for you? Who cares if it is a 7 iron or a 5 iron?
Length of physical golf club.
@@larrybud lower number clubs are always longer. If you can’t swing well the clubs you have now why upgrade and spend lots of money for nothing? It’s ass nine to think you need to upgrade regularly. Length of club shouldn’t matter at all. If you think you need to upgrade for that reason then gold shouldn’t be your sport
@@kaden1499 Thanks for completely missing the point.
@@larrybud what’s your point then? Everyone I’m at work with right now reading this does not see “a point” in just saying club length…
@@kaden1499 Go back to the original question, which was "Who cares if it is a 7 iron or a 5 iron?"
The answer of why it matters is because a 5 iron is physically longer than a 7 iron, which makes it more difficult for a center contact.
That's why length matters, not just in driving, but in hitting irons. It's always going to be more beneficial to hit an 8 iron from 160 than someone who needs to hit a 5 iron from 160, one because of the length of the club, and two because of the loft.
Liked the comparison. We should keep in mind though that testing a club from the 'i' eye range will give lower trajectory and less forgiveness than a 'g' range of iron as it was essentially a player's iron. But I liked those numbers from yesteryear, seems like not much has changed except the number on the bottom of the club. Great swinging by the way 👍
Good observation. Technology has changed a lot in the last few years and there are many iron categories today. It's pretty safe to say new is better than old. - Thomas
I got a set of black dot ping eye 2s, 3-SW for $125 in stellar condition and new grips. How much are the new pings? I think technology has improved the driver more than irons.
Even the drivers haven’t changed much since the 460cc era. I still play the 2007 Callaway 460(black n red one). I hit it just as far as my buddies Sim2. As far as irons…. I switch it up between my Callaway X-12’s, and my Ping ISI’s. I play near scratch.
Great review....I play with mizuno jpx921 forged but just bought a set of ping eye 2 + irons...went down the range for a first hit and for 30 years plus iron you can't half get them up in the air...plus I get mote spin off the 8 9 P than I do with my own irons.....think ill regrip these and take them on the course...
It would be nice to see you do two days of testing. First day starting with eye 2 but the next day ending with eye 2. Then average those numbers, by the time you hit the modern irons you were warmed up, no doubt you’ll have that better connection with them after warming up.
These comparisons are great. Forgiveness is SO important.
Thank you for this, I've had a set of Jack Nicklaus clubs since forever. Just got fitted yesterday at the Md location and picked up the Ping G. Irons are forgiving and gave me an additional 15 yards on carry. Excited for my next golf lesson this week.
Awesome results. Enjoy the new clubs - Thomas
I swear i am just now going for Jack clubs to pings too. Thats funny
I have PingEye2 and they do hit shorter, but as stated elsewhere, I just club down to get more distance. It’s all about knowing your clubs.
Definitely correct about knowing your clubs. You're at a disadvantage if you don't know your clubs!
Great video. I’d like to see a comparison of the Callaway Bertha drivers. Big Bertha, Greatest Big Bertha, all the way up to the current version
Mark Crossfield did something similar yesterday. I literally bought another used set of Eye 2 yesterday hahaha. I played them in the 90's and then went to the G5. I am now playing the 921 Tour. I would love to find an affordable set of the BeCu Eye 2
Was just thinking, oh what a coincidence 🙈
I was fitted for the G5 and later the G and I always felt disappointed with the newer club. I didn't see a improvement in performance. Recently moved to Orka RS10 and I'm more than happy I did.
Having gone through the lineup of Ping Irons, would love to see the Rapture v1 irons compared in the future. They were ahead of their time with multi-titanium construction, lightweight titanium face to shift cg back, tungsten toe for MOI….
There was also a J-Spec version with less offset for the Japanese market.
What’s the difference from V1 and V2?
@@dickinseider7125 The V1 is a smaller profile than the V2. I prefer the look of it personally and going by Maltby Playability Factor, it is one of the most forgiving clubs both horizontally and vertically. I also really like the sole profile of it for a Game Improvement club. It has relief in the leading edge and trailing edge.
I haven't played the V2, but have played the G20's which are a similar profile and they're a bit too chunky imo. But, that's personal preference. I'm sure they're fine clubs as well for someone else.
Your ‘teaser’ image looks like company old Spalding Cannons from 1985 to the. Mizuno MP54 set I acquired nearly a decade ago. Cannons were 2-PW while the MP54s are 3-PW. The Mizunos of course are better in all phases: distance, control and forgiveness. But I did play some great rounds with those Cannons.
Awesome video. Thank You. I have the G20. I love these irons. I upgraded to hybrids from 6 to 3 iron. This improved my game.
My current gamers: 1990 Ping Eye 2 (plus,no plus) Berillum Copper 2-SW Red Dot (1° flat) irons.
Love the feel. Buttery smooth like a lulaby.
How tall are you and what's your wrist to floor in inches? I'm a Red Dot as well.
@@tigersaint124 6 foot tall. 36" wrist to floor. These red dots seem to be a great fit. Forever clubs. Buttery smooth for a non-forged club.
Looking at the dispersion of each club, I’d go for the g5 because they are grouped up the closest. At least that’s how I judge what I want. The more predictable the club, the better. That leads to more greens hit.
That’s how I saw this too. I want consistency, doesn’t matter what the number on the club says. Adjust as needed.
Very good info and thx. My 15 year old is just getting into golf and using my old Ping ISI-K's. We also have some G10's, but may have to check out what you offer. Thx
Most today associate “forgiveness” in irons with a resistance to face deflection with off-center hits but the factor which motivated Solheim to create high-MOI putters and the PING was automatically keeping the face square to the swing arc in the takeaway and impact. This is evidenced in the “face balance” of the old Bulleye putters which hang vertically when suspended on a finger causing the toe bias to twist the club in the hands, open in the backswing and closed during downswing. By comparison a PING Anser style putter will hang at a 40°-45° angle causing it to stay automatically square to the type of inside-square putting stoke used back in the 1960s.
Because everyone very quickly adopted the high MOI methodology for the “game improvement” category of irons is difficult to appreciate how different the PING EYE and EYE2 are unless comparing them to the blade irons from the 1960s and 1970s which I did for grins and giggles after finding both at thrift stores and re-gripping them identically before even swinging them for a similar “feel in hands” comparison. The difference in toe bias can be felt at the point in the backswing the force rotates the lead arm and cocks the wrists to guide the club up to the top of the backswing and when adjusting toe/face angle from square to hit fades and draws.
The difference between the EYE2 and later similar high MOI designs just isn’t felt as much. In my experience the Maltby Playability Index which assigns a numerical score for “foregiveness” based on objective technical measurements tracks with how the the clubs feel. Those with a lower MPF having lower MOIs and more of a tendency to try to twist off square from the swing line making it more difficult to swing consistently.
I played with the Eye 2 yesterday. Played them 2 clubs stronger than usual. After a couple holes of getting used to them. The final score wasn't any different than my usual low 90s. Went 52 front 44 back. Only thing I didn't like was the 4 iron even though went almost the same distance as my Rogue ST Max 6 iron.... the flight was low. Off center hits... you'll feel it in your hands lol
It's crazy how the lofts have changed with the 6 iron almost going as far! - Thomas
Great comparison. Love to see with Apex 16, 19, 21 (DCB, Reg, Pro) which I believe have been best selling irons for sometime. Love Ping - they do things right.
Thank you for watching! We will add that to our list!
I have a set of Ping Eye 2's, and a set of Ping G15's and a set of Ping Karstan II's ......so, let me start with what i did....I like my old Ping Eye 2's, so I had the old shafts taken out, and replaced them with KBS shafts, much lighter. I also had them bent (loft) my 5 iron is now 24* and 6 iron 28* and my 7 iron 31.5* and my 8 iron 35* and 9 iron 40* and PW 45*....i then found another Ping Eye 2 PW and had it bent to 50* , using it for a gap wedge and sand wedge stayed the same 57.5* .......talk about a set of nice clubs, they hit very well and I play them the most....it beats going out and buying a new set of irons and they're fitted just for you and your game.
Larry, this is excellent!!! What a set.
What about groove wear, do u think it’s an issue?
It’s amazing that the Ping Eye2 is still competitive considering that it’s at least a club and half weaker than the modern clubs. They really were ahead of their time.
The new clubs are not the norm as far as loft's go.
A tour pro played them for 20 years, great clubs for sure.
Dispersion straight off the shelf is top notch to fit a bunch of different golfers.
Just grab the club- iron # that you need to play your game with at the time and you will be just fine.
Plus these clubs will last 3x longer than any new club out right now.
Maybe competitive in the hands of this guy but I just replaced my eye2’s with g430’s and I hit these waaaaaay better than the Eye2’s which seem to have a sweet spot the size of a dime
@@miguelitoaniceto5882 You can get them bent and just pick a different club.
Dispersion tests showed ping eye 2 beating most new iron's so they definitely are still relevant.
I love my new Ping Eye 2 Orange dot. I put my ladies Cleveland Launcher in the garage corner.
This is an awesome awesome test. Thank you!
Thank you for watching!!
I have a set of i3 O-Size Ping orange dots and a set of Callaway Diablo Edge clubs. They are different but I enjoy playing with both. I use whichever I feel I want each time I golf. Each has a great feel to them and I do not like one more than the other. Now my drivers. That's a different story altogether...
Both are classics!!
Eye 2 s are simply the greatest irons ever made, even today there's at least 5-6 good golf members at any club still using them...... They've saved some money because they're so good after 40 years
I literally just sold my P770s to buy my buddies mint Ping Eye 2 “Orange” dot
I love them! I have never crushed a 3 Iron so pure!
@@adamhicks9440 I just bought 1990 Ping Eye 2 plus no plus BECU 2-SW set from 2nd swing Red Dot (1°flat).
Amazing feel! Love them.
I bought a set from 2ndswing early on and still keep the 6 iron in my trunk just in case. But have you seen the PXG 2021 lofts? Their 7 iron is 28, so maybe an Eye2 5 iron!
good luck hitting.the 3 and 4
for the same price and condition, would you choose Karsten irons or the G irons for a newer player/ high handicapper?
No mention that the G5 had the best 7 iron dispersion?
Thank you for doing this comparison. I currently game the ping i3+ I would love to see the results without the mishit. I’m really trying to see if the newer irons can compare to the old ( of course comparing the correct lofts )
Loft will be the biggest influence on distance and spin, but the newer models will help with consistency and forgiveness - Thomas
True, since we don't have the carry info per hit, I would estimate that the avarege carry based on the dots on the screen, excluding the miss fire, is about 166-167. Then you add about 10 yards for the loft difference and you get 177 carry. Also look at the dispersion without the mishit! I have i3 Os as well and looked into the G425. They didn't look good in person and for now I am not embarrassed to play the i3s anymore 😂 Just forget the number on the club and focus on the loft. As a high handicapper, my biggest upgrade needs to be my club speed, not the hardware. Usually the misfits are taken out in these tests but in this case it would make it harder to sell these new clubs, no? 😂
It would be interesting comparing the irons with the same lofts to see what year’s technology, but great video
Awesome!, this is my iron lifetime right here, thank you!!
Just watched the video. The fella is definitely hard to watch but does a pretty decent job showing numbers. My issue with new technology is that it really isn't changing in professional gamer irons. It changes mostly in the forgiving and game improvement irons. You see that most with weight distribution and stronger loft. Ping has always been a great iron but the older irons have the standard loft and not the current 6 iron is a 7 iron etc changes.
I pLay Eye-2s. Will mishits on the newer models (G, 425) be more forgiving if I don't pure it?
Never mind. Answered @16:00
Ping Anser(forged) irons from 2010 I think & still using them in 2024, just re-shafted w/ Aerotech i110's.
Those shafts are the real deal
There's also something to consider while you're talking about the differences in clubs. The length of the clubs have gotten longer, which would help change the distance.
bingo..tthey left that out on purpose...my zing 2 3iron is the.exact length and loft of a paradym callaway 5 iron.and both go the exact same distance...thats why payadyms dont come with a 3 or 4 iron..no one could hit them
Do the shafts wear out? When should you replace the shafts?
interesting, i upgraded to G20's back when they came out and felt my game inproved albeit i consider myself a hacker. I also bought my Father in law some Ping eye 2's for his first set, but when he past i was given them back, so recently looked into getting them lengthened to suit my game as i want to have a go. My only question is how hard to get the lie changed as my G20's are white when the the Eye2's are Red's.
Would love to see a comparison with the Rapture v1 included
There are some Ping G5 Iron’s from 3-SE that I’m thinking about buying. I’m currently using the Cobra Fly-Z XL (2015 model) irons but I only have 6-PW. What do people think, is it worth me changing them? Thanks in advance
Love these kinds of videos
Very interesting, just goes to show how playable the older sets still are, although newer is better ultimately
That's why it's so fun to browse 2ndswing.
I suspect the new shaft in the G425, will give you greater height against the aged shaft in the Eye2.
Depends what shaft you are fitted for but the aged Eye2 shafts used to be pretty heavy - Thomas
Was just offered Ping eye 2 set 3- PW for $100. Is that a good deal? Im brand new to golf
people talk about the lofts getting stronger. In reality what has happened is that the gap wedge was added which replaced the pitching wedge and the rest of the clubs where given stronger lofts The seven iron has become the six iron of old. If you will look the shaft of the older six is the same length as the shaft of the newer seven irons. In reality the irons have not changed that much they have just been given a new number where the six of old is now the seven with the newer clubs. A fair comparison would be to hit the irons with the same loft.
Yeah, I don't know why people get so excited? For any given distance, just grab your club that hits that distance, be it a 7 or 5 iron. We don't all play the same distances, so why would we all play the same iron number? I don't get it. About the Gap wedge: why do we need it? Just move the ball 1/2 ball back.
AFAIK in researching replacing my Eye 2’s , and buying G430s the old club heads are 1 type of metal so they were limited in where they could place the centre of gravity. New clubs use multiple alloys strategically placed to lower the CG lower than the old clubs making it easier to get the ball in the air, so they had to de-loft the face to compensate. I’m talking mainly game improvement clubs here. Ps I really struggled with the Eye 2’s but love the G430s, straight, way more distance and way more forgiving.
I am a 15hcp playing with a set of G5's. Just came across aset of G 20, Is it worth the upgrade? Or is it merely the stronger loft? I dont mind taking a 7 iron when the guys with the newer clubs hit an 8 with stronger loft.
bingo..just hit 7 vs their 8..tell them you used the momey you saved to buy more 🍺
I have a set of Eye 2's that are sold it says Patent Pending. I have a set of the G5's too....xlnt club
Been using my G15 for years and just went back to my eye 2 irons,shot 81 and I think that’s good for a 72 year old man!
Well done!!
Amazing how well the eye 2 holds up. Controversial club back in the day. Anyone know what year they stopped making them?
Very interesting, I have the G5s. Pleased you kept your club head speed low.
Thanks for watching. The G5's still perform very well.
If you want your swing speed to be 80 then you should have used regular flex or senior flex????
what’s the difference between the plus and regular version?
The dispersion on The EYE 2!!
Great test!!
I just picked up the i3+ 3i-PW for $20 from Goodwill
Just had my Eye2's refurbed again and still playing them. No iron in existence hits the ball as straight or accurate.
G15 pretty straight
What is the refurbishment? Send it to ping? What do they do?
@@blessedheart3917 They basically make them brand new clubs. I had the heads and grooves reworked plus new shafts and cord grips.
@@ryanu3708 not to be rude but what is the cost of a refurbishment? I have an old eyes 2 set little long in the tooth
@@blessedheart3917 Seems like it was around seventy five per club.
The loft all the same or any change?
I have eye2 in the bag. New is fine but im not a professional or competing. I play for the experience and fun. Im a nostalgic creature anyway. I might buy 425 for the woods but not really the irons.
Where does the zing fit in?
After seeing the g430, I’m thinking about moving to the g425 4,5 hybrid + 6-UW coming from the ping g20 4-LW. I prefer the look of the g425 over the g430.
We can't wait to get out hands on them to test - Thomas
This is one of my favorite videos you all have ever done. Can’t believe I’m only now seeing it.
Thomas, one question for you: You mentioned feeling like you could swing the G425 4 iron faster than the Eye 2 3 iron. Why is that? Is it related to the head weight, the swingweight, the shafts? Just curious what gave you that feeling.
The standout to me in this test was the G5. Doesn’t have all the modern tech, but you still get a super forgiving shape and sole, with spin rates that are sort of on par with modern players’ irons and could work just fine on fast greens.
There are some older clubs like the G5 that still perform very well. Its more of a total weight mainly head weight but i'm sure the shaft and head combo in newer tec was the leading cause - Thomas
I have the g20 irons...thinking about the g425 irons....
I have the g15 model just ordered the 425 today I hope I made a good decision
@@pongsolo Finally cracked the shafts of my G15 7 and 9 iron, called Ping and they told me to get the 425. Going to get a Ping G or newer 7 and 5 iron to see if a new set is worth it because the G15 is one of the highest Pings rated on the Maltby Playability index for Ping.
Thank you for the great info!
What I got from this video is that Jack Nickaus, Arnold Palmer, Lee Trevino and Gary Player we waaaay more skilled golfers than young guys today with balls and clubs that go 20-50 yards further.
Are the lofts of these irons the same?
No, he talks about that quite early in the video.
Eye 2 7-iron is 36deg, G425 is 30deg
G5 wins. Irons are about consistency and dispersion
Should do a g10 vs retro spec g425!
They can’t. Would be worse when comparing similar lifts.
And the feel would be worse
Just trying to close the loft gap between old and new clubs. G10 7 iron is 35 degree and the retro spec g425 is 33 I believe. Trying to see if the ball won’t fly as far as the regular loft and gain more spin.
Wow just skipped the G10's? Guess i need to upgrade.
What is missing is are you using the same shaft in all those clubs
Ping G is the best performing iron group and distance combined G425 is all over the field
Thank you for watching!
I am a recreational player, lucky to break 95. The club is not going to make a big difference. I use Ping eye 2 and it suits me fine.
You’d be shocked. Try a G430 7 iron or Srixon zx5, you’ll fall off the simulator!
Paused early....I'm hoping when you compare you compare shots with similar club speed & strike not just averages 👍 (sorry, pet peeve of mine)
Edit: Doh! 😁
Yes. If you know you hit a bad shot delete it. So stupid.
Dude, you sound exactly like a 50/50 Australian/American hybrid.
Every word flips to the other accent immediately.
Nothing replaces a tension free swing .
I'm about to enjoy this video, but gotta point out "from the 80's through about the 1900's" sorry, I laughed.
"early 1900's" btw. I know, honest mistake. But you couldn't have put these up against even 2 generations ago with the G400?
Honestly comparing clubs with the same loft would have been more fair.
Here’s an interesting fact. I’ve been playing almost 30 years. I’ve never had any irons other than the eye 2’s. Have never even hit another iron.
Point being?
Yes the G5 is the winner. Amazing
1900s?
I bought a set of Ping eye 2’s in the 80’s then I bought a set of Ping G15s. Then I got a set of g410,s now I have the g425,s I have loved ever one of my sets i still have all of the sets just cause I guess. Every set was great as far as I’m concerned. I just wanted to upgrade as I got older I thought I needed more forgiveness.
So is fair to say if you own G20 why purchase g425??? Just not worth it correct??
Very great !
I still play with my ping eye 2 red dot
G5 seems to be most consistent
On my 18th birthday I had a set bought
Iv not bought another set since. Iv just had them refurbished 6 mouths ago (shafts, grips) and still out performs anything about today
If it’s not broke then don’t fix
Besides to the average golfer you won’t see any difference, you really have to be at the top of your game imo. Golf is getting too complicated. I see people buying drivers worth £600 plus and still hitting the ball 260 yards or not even thst
It's all down to ball striking the old guys were better at it than the modern day robots
So for a high handicap, it really doesn’t matter.
The newer equipment is much more forgiving for the higher handicap golfer. On doubt a good shot will work out fine with older technology but we don't always hit the sweet spot - Thomas
compare them with the same lofts to be accurate and at 80MPH MAYBE A SOFTER BALL WOULD BE BETTER. IMHO
Looks like your gaining distance but loosing accuracy with the newer clubs...
instead of explaining why the clubs are different pick the same lofted clubs not the clubs with the same number stamped on them, would be a fairer comparison
I think you shouldn’t hold yourself back to match club head speed. One of the underrated parts of newer irons is how they help you up your club head speed which helps with distance and other things as well. I know you’re trying for consistency but we need to know the difference between them in as many areas as you can. Just an opinion
to me the only ways newer clubs would help you swing faster is if the shaft was longer and lighter and if the head was smaller or made out of a lighter material..i think you are fooled by how a modern longer shafted 5 iron is really just a traditional 3 iron...sure your modern 5 iron is as long as a trad 3i but thats because it is really a 3i
New iron heads are and feel lighter imho. Give one a try some time
Feedback purely from a statistical point of view:
1. You need 10 hits per iron to have even a basic level of statistical confidence.
2. You should throw out the two furthest outliers per club, so shoot two extra and discard two.
3. You should alternate clubs on every hit, to correct fatigue/warmup factor.
Amazing shooting though, extremely consistent.
Thanks for the feedback. I like the idea of more data for sure. However fatigue and time can be an issue depending on the golfer. In a fitting we notice fatigue 40-50 shots in. When comparing heads 3-4 heads and 2-3 shafts that shot count adds up pretty fast. I'm a proponent for more data but after 5-6 shots you can begin to draw conclusions - Thomas
Too many stats for the novice. I wanted to know the distance in comparison to each loft for the different models. Too confusing with the spin rates and all that other crap
He said 1900 rds