This is one of those sneaky videos where most people might not care, but for those of us who have had to deal with similar setups, this is AMAZING. If I could've had something this flexible and seamless about 5 years ago, I wouldn't have had to drive to my work on days off almost every weekend. 10/10 job from Dan if this all works as well as presented!
@sphbecker I work in a different industry now, thankfully, so the timeline was more relevant to when I was doing these types of projects and not as much the tech used.
@ I can understanding getting out. My background is in live productions, which at least are a lot of fun, but installed AV is completely thankless but comes with very high expectations.
I was working at a Themepark in 2018 as an Eventtechnician and they had DANTE rolled out across the whole park. You could theoreticaly take the Audio from a show and run it on nearly every other speaker in the park.
As someone who works with Dante and system engineering every day, I was stoked to see how you implemented it. But you only scratched the surface of what Dante can do. DVS, DDM, connecting all sorts of processors, Dante video, and more. From small gigs to massive tours and broadcast setups, Dante networking is everywhere.
I hope you don't mind me asking. Could someone in their 30s get into the trade? Does it require lots of uni/college education? I have always been interested in audio engineering (concerts, venues, small bands etc) and system engineering like this but don't really know where to start.
Dante is awesome and great to see Linus and team using it. During my AV tech days, I installed a lot of these systems. Eventually received my level 3 cert for Dante, then was moved up to control system programmer. So frickin' easy to program and route audio. Dante should be the standard for any system.
As a Q-Sys programmer and AV design engineer, this is the video I have been waiting for since it was promised. Great job Dan!! I would suggest doing 'signal names' to clean up your design. No more wires all over your screen. Much cleaner look.
you can really feel Dan holding back his excitement at 15:09. truly tons of complexity behind the scenes to create such simplicity for the end-user. literally plug this into ANY port and you can speak to the PA system.
It's both exciting and kind of painful, seeing them go with those dongles flopping out of the rack, having their UCI inside of the QSYS file. It certainly has the signature LTT jank.
@ConnorBlackwood absolutely, I expected to cringe way harder though. I've seen worse inheriting a Q-Sys file from a previous integrator or end user. For a first attempt, I'm reasonably impressed!
@@Telecraster Thanks! It was super fun and obviously this is an incredibly early first test. Spent about a day on the setup hah. UCI will eventually be moved to something that can be on a tablet for the staff to use day to day. I thought more people would cringe tbh. Once WHALE lan approaches I'll do another full pass, tidy up the programming, and button up the interfaces. The jank is fun but this is a production system and needs to be treated as such. Was my first experience with Q-Sys and I'm loving it. Extremely easy to set up and deploy. Like, a few hours for a perfectly functional system, if not jank under the hood.
As someone who works with Dante and Q-Sys systems literally daily, I’m glad to see you went with the implementation you did. Dante is by far the most powerful audio networking solution on the market currently, I use it for everything from broadcasts to large festival systems. Two things I should say. Running antenna lines and mounting a pair in proper places will pay off. You may have great coverage now with the receiver tucked away, but RF can be messy and the last thing you want is dropouts. Also, I’ve got a history of Q-sys systems failing on me, so if redundancy is the name of the game when it comes to working with their equipment. It may work fine for years, but walking in on a completely down system is not fun. Also put them on a UPS, as they’re unusually susceptible to voltage spikes. Subs are also nice 🤣 and a few boxes of line array at one end of the room flown would absolutely MAKE a party
Thats the beauty of it - they could have some active subs and just plug a network cable into the extra switch(es) they're already getting out for Whale LAN, and using an XLR cable they can just connect the subs and it "just works".
@@richardwoods7593 Where did you get that info? I only know Linus "adressed" personal changes the last WAN show but how do you know they got fired, and not quit themselves? How do you even know how many are gone?
Glad to see Linus discovering Dante. Dante is the backbone of our audio infrastructure at the venue that I manage. We've got 3 different buildings all connected on our network and are able to effortlessly pipe audio to anywhere in the building with just a few clicks of a button.
I did a small install at my previous church about 5 years ago, and even if the mixer I used only had Dante as an option for stage boxes (rather than a Behringer or A&H proprietary system), I would have used it anyway to avoid the vendor lock-in (so saving money in the long term, you can replace the mixer and just buy a Dante expansion card without replacing the stage boxes as well) and the ability to have devices plugged in to 2 different networks with automatic seamless fail-over if a cable were to fail.
As a network administrator, that RGB switching is sick. In a business setting, I've always had use color coded cables to define different vlans/networks and important uplinks, etc.. in an RGB switch you could just light up the colors based on the vlan and use all the same cables. Amazing.
Many even cheapest mixers have had this since the 80s. Usually a lot more nervous though and misic blows up again after a second. Seldomly configurable.
I setup my entire church w/ Dante across two venues, the broadcast suite, multi purpose rooms, and common areas. Anything can go anywhere. On special weekends we’ll split the band up between the two venues and do a combined service. We show the musicians from the other venue on the LED wall on the back of the stage. Everyone loves it. We did setup completely separate infrastructure for it, though. We’re moving almost 128 channels at 96 kHz in both directions. Even the speakers have redundant Dante links to redundant Cisco switches. It was a lot of fun to deploy.
8:25 The smile on Linus's face when he hears about the elaborate scheme with all of the zones. You can tell the badminton court is his dream, just from that smile alone 😁
I am a music teacher at a school in the US that uses Dante to manage the audio in our Auditorium/Gym/Rehearsal Spaces, etc. I had to watch a TON of RUclips videos about Dante to learn how to configure multitrack recording off our Auditorium Sound Board and to configure/adjust routing and volume levels in the hallways and other spaces where sound was being routed that we didn't need/want most of the time. It took forever, but it truly is amazing what you can do with it. With all of my on-the-job training and experience, I'm wondering if I would make more money doing live sound instead of teaching music... lol
the in house venue I work at was built on the ground up with Dante connectivity in mind. multiple meeting rooms with Dante as its backbone, Q-Sys as a controller, and Crestron for UI. our main hall has everything connected to Dante which can be routed to and from anywhere. in total we have approximately 250 speakers, approximately 700 channels, 140+ stereo inputs, 30+ UI surfaces, and Companion has been a huge help with daily automations and routing presets. Dante can be very finicky as Dan mentioned. It is for the most part very stable if the network isn't saturated with "garbage" data. Just because you have 10Gbe speeds, doesn't mean it'll be stable.
@@williewonka1500 Actually Dante isn’t finicky when you properly design your network, it’s actually rock stable. You only need to know how to properly manage data, and in Dante Clocking is EVERYTHING. You don’t have clocking stable in the network, it’s done, nothing will work. It doesn’t need some fancy network switch can absolutely make Dante work flawlessly with a 25$ managed network switch. If you properly manage QoS and Multicast it will work every time .
This is what makes LTT. This type of relatable content really hits home. I too ran into these problems with a PA system in my where house but not anymore. Thanks LTT
At this point linus should also start consulting services & ask less for the privilege of making a public case study(ltt videos). All major firms keep such case studies for learning & review, why not let the client save a buck if he doesn't mind being on yt.
@@kushagraN You'd be shocked how many places are super paranoid about what they do getting out into the public. I work on supply chain consulting, and asking if we can take pictures onsite makes out contacts start sweating heavily heavily 70% of the time, and takes 2 weeks to get an answer. Everyone thinks that they've built the golden goose, without realizing that everyone does that process the exact same way.
I am the Q-Sys/Dante administrator at a school in Florida. I didn't do the install, but love the feature of how these two AV solutions can be used in a non-education/performance space!
Man, I didn’t ever work in whole-building audio myself, but I’ve worked with a boatload of people who did, and $20k for equipment and probably $50-100k for the infrastructure team’s time (for both present work and likely future work w. Reconfigures), that is like less than half of what those guys were telling me it cost to do this kind of work. Good on ya guys for showing us this.
As an audio pro myself, Dante Networking is my favorite part of the gig. It’s intuitive expandable and just voodoo at times. I’ve used it in large productions + studio environments and it just amazes me how much better it made the audio world.
We need more Dan content, he reminds me of my school's district I.T specialist, I helped him too since our school had a system that you could work with school staff as academic work
Hey Dan, you’ve probably already thought about this, but I’d recommend replacing the AVIO Bluetooth dongle with a wifi streamer like the Episode Lynk hooked up to an AVIO analog input adapter. Then you can walk the whole building with a phone that’s streaming music.
@@ryanA133at pizza Hut we did it via some old laptop remote desktopd to something on the network that was capable of actually streaming internet radio but did not have an audio jack
Probably would be easier to go into the Dante network from a media playback system for 90% of the music. For the guests that bring in stuff that's when the Wi-Fi streaming/Bluetooth would still be nice to keep implemented.
As someone who works in the AV industry, I have to applaud you guys for going with Dante. That was my first thought when you were talking about your options. The amazing thing is, if you get an AV company to come to your LAN event, it shouldn't be hard for them to plug in and do whatever they need. The other thing I would love to mention is, you can get a networking company to program your switches for Dante, etc. That's what we do if we need to run Dante, Internet, Artnet and multiple other protocols across multiple buildings, we hire a company who rents us CISCO switches programmed so we only need to run 1 Ethernet cable in between buildings.
Creation warehouse will eventually build everything because nothing is "good enough" for Linus. Eventually they will break off to their own company and build stuff internationally lol
As an audio engineer, who works on TV trucks and in live production, Dante is fantastic! The Dante tax is real, but Audinate manufacturers and supports the IO cards in Dante products, which is crucial in high stakes live events. Dante I/O boxes are widely used for Call of Duty® championships and other live gaming tournaments. It will even take 64 channels of Audio direct to and from a PC Ethernet port if you are running Dante Virtual Sound card.
I work at a pretty natioanlly big AV integrator putting together systems like this one all the time, I absolutely love seeing dan dive into the things I work with, but you guys barely scratched the surface, between PTZ operation and routing inside of qsys, building conrol, audio routing, theres so much cool stuff in AVoIP. I hope you guys continue to cover it.
As an AV Integrator I would like to note that not all 70v systems are created equal and the crappy ones give them all a bad rap. 70v systems are great, the fidelity issues mostly affect the lower frequencies. If extra low end is needed add a subwoofer with a crossover on the system.
Dan's current role at LMG (besides producing WAN) seems to be solving other people's "I need something that does *this*" requests in the jankiest way possible.
Nice to see some Qsys and Dante on the Chanel, I really hope the Unify Beta with the Pro switches and Dante protocol wil work. Small Tip for Dan, You have the block PA Router and this is one block that can control all of your announcement to every zone you want and can even record save en play the announcement again. Even automatic pre-announcement can play from here. I work for a theme park and the AV is part of my responsibilities, so I have seen some creative programming. The best advice I have is think a head of what you want. Take that in consideration while programming and keep everything nice and tide and slit the inputs routing outputs enz on different pages of the program gets bigger and bigger for a nice overview if you need to change tings. I am looking forwards to see what you guys have done with it. Good luck and have fun.
The company I work for moved into a space with Qsys deployed for conference rooms, white noise generations, and office audio/PA. That was a fun 6 months rushing classes and learning how to configure it lol. All in all I liked Qsys a lot. Lots of options on configuration and the basic certification is free to take and teaches you a lot.
This was an extremely helpful and entertaining video. I am a volunteer at my church and these videos about the new badminton facility have been game changers. I don’t think people realize the sheer amount of man hours to do the research on the compatibility of all different types of components. These type of videos have a huge impact on smaller organizations and I’m really appreciative of it. Please keep these type of videos coming.
Working in the A/V integration and interactive arts sphere, I can say that Dante is one of the very few proprietary protocol & standard that are worth the money and remains robust in a ton of different scenarios. Great setup!
SoundTube POE speakers are some of my favorite equipment to work with. I was a part of an A/V team as a student employee working to replace and setup PA/Speaker systems in a large rec center and they were so easy to run and get connected wherever we needed it. Dante is something we'll keep in mind to share with higher ups in our teams as we continue discussions for solutions and replacement for our existing AVoIP systems
I was having LAN events like 5-7 years ago in a space which had a system like this. Solid stupid proof. 3 buttons, aux, HDMI and microphone. Press microphone you get the microphone output to the whole place. Press aux, is now uses aux. Press HDMI and the projector turns on and the sound and video goes to the HDMI. Press any of the other buttons and the sound goes to that device. Press HDMI again and the sound comes back, press it again and it turns off sound and hdmi. With a little light showing what input is used. Super simple but they paid a pretty penny for it. Everyone, even kids could manage it and that was the point. Looked like a KNX swich panel, and probably just a programmable stereo system.
I was just at a wedding venue that got set up in 2020. They told me they had some crazy guy from Amazon come in. There was one panel on the wall with a Bluetooth module and to control modules that let you choose all sorts of options of where Sound went. They had the main barn hall, the Chapple, serving area and like three or four other rooms down in the basement. I was with a man that came in and they add to such a jacks on either side of the room for DJs to plug into. I had to split our signal delay it and then feed into the system because we were on the opposite side of the room from the speakers. But wow what a nice system it was. And then each of the rooms downstairs had their own little controls.
After being burned by the death of firewire and having thousands of dollars in otherwise perfectly functional audio gear rendered useless... I built my current recording studio around Dante in 2015 with the intention of it being "future proof". Happy to say that nearly 10 years later it's still working great. Big fan of Dante.
firewire was is nice and it is still usable it's just that certain companies (cough personas) refused to update drivers. It's almost like they want to sell you a brand new product? But yet didn't want to upgrade their drivers to be certified and signed.
Anyone who knows anything about live audio these days knows Dante is one of the most essential audio frameworks out there... and it's funny that you're running everything over Ubiquiti switches because I guarantee that in a couple years you'll see their equipment being deployed for this exact purpose in some of the most prestigious trucks and facilities in the world because of its ease of use. one of the smartest & best firmware updates they've released.
As someone in the audio industry that gets slightly annoyed by bad PA, can I just say what a PA system, such a good deal & so simple (to end user), awesome job Dan!
@@krane15 combined that with decades-old horribly maintained equipment that nobody knows how to use and people who eat the Mic and don't annunciate.... yah
The company I work for is getting ready to install a mercury PA system in my site and this video is perfect for me to understand how this works. Cant wait for our to get installed now.
As a hardcore Dante enthusiast and audio engineer, Audinate has quite literally changed the game for Pro Audio and commercial installs. My life is 100x easier because of Dante :D
Networking tip: get a radius server hooked up in the network. Use MAB together with radius to get your vlans to auto configure. So when you plug in a dante device the switch automaticly puts it in the right vlan.
One of the big spaces for Dante audio is that it’s used in most large theme parks (such as Disneyland) to transport audio everywhere on its own dedicated network. Back in the day, distributed audio in a theme park meant having large cages with audio processing cards in them, sending out audio to other parts of the park into amp racks, then doing 70v speakers from those racks. It was complicated, expensive, not super adaptable, and not easily configurable. Dante is muuuuuch better.
Id like to correct you on a couple of things with Dante. At 12:00 you said you dont have a mixer, but you do, just not a separate mixer, the mixer is built into the Q-Sys system, as its a Matrix Mixer. At 12:36 there are no switch requirements, thats not true, there are a few switch requirements, Dante uses Level 3 of the OSI model, and the switches MUST be Gigabit at a minimum, with no green/effieciency mode or at least be turned off completely as it turns off the port even if audio is being transmitted. 12:30 Dante can use your already installed infrustuctre as long as they meet the previous stated point and they will need to use a VLAN and Trunking to be able to move traffic between switches. I hope those speakers are time aligned as well.
As someone who used to do live sound for these type of venues, this is the coolest video i have seen from LTT. So cool to see sound over ethernet finally reach its potential
Hearing the name Dante fills me with first-semester dread. I had to configure something with it and it confused the heck out of me. Shoutout to anyone who works with it on a regular basis
It does have its moments of hair pulling. Though typically all the issues come down to network problems. It's really good to see large manufacturers implementing preset Network configurations for common AV protocols.
ngl I did not understand what was said over the PA in the intro lol (wearing sony wh1000m5 so I do not think it's the headset). And wouldn't snapcast with bunch of slave RPis and one master RPi make more sense? Rpi does not care what speakers you use or how you use them and neither does snapcast. It just repeats audio from the master one and that is it's entire purpose. Can even run on Pi3s that are super cheap and uses FLAC. And I think that the master machine can also be windows as it does use a web interface to mix in the audio,l but never tested that (the guide I was using was RPi only and web interface can be accessed and put audio in through separate machine anyways). No hate, just wanted to say that snapcast sounds like more of a techy setup/solution to me than a basically "use only compliant HW and protocols". Like I know this is a pro solution and I like to see it but... I kinda miss the jank of the DYI pains with this one... something LTT often struggled with on projects like these. But yeah 20k is cheap for pro solution. And this is by far the most flexible pro setup I have seen. Beats running "special" cat5s that only use one pair.
This is legit. Love DANTE. Managed to get our ISP to interlink two campuses with a Layer 2 link and did a whole production from a control room about 3 miles away
Not if his contributions to the WAN show are anything to go by. I've seen bits of LTT with the subtitle set as "Linus is Linus". I think we need one that says "Dan is Dan"
This is neat! Just so people know, most insulation and sound treatment materials aren't rated to be painted. Paint fills in the pores of the material and particularly impacts high and mid frequency absorption. Be sure to check datasheets before you paint acoustic treatment, we've had to rip out a lot of treatment that was rendered completely useless because it was painted!
Wow no idea if you saw my post on the original video but I had actually suggested looking into the QSys core just because of how configurable and expandable they are but they aren't cheap. About the only thing I personally would have changed was I would have just used self powered speakers similar to the JBL Eon you had at the start just b/c I'm not familiar with the POE speakers but the idea is really neat behind them. Also there is no reason that 70v line system can't have musicality to them. I've actually installed 70v line systems that also included in-ceiling subwoofers which was an interesting take for a restaurant but floor space was at a premium in this particular space.
So many people give 70V system such a bad rap. Sure there were some bad quality transformers out they're tied to some bad quality speakers but a lot of it was the junk that fed the system not being set up or installed properly, used properly or even responsibly maintained.
I work in a large cannabis Cultivation and we're currently setting up a PA system with the same speakers and a similar system basically just used to play music through the building.. not a good investment but it sure is entertaining.
Reverb vs Echo simplified: Reverb = multiples surface reflection, short delay (ms), small space, ex. shower. Echo = a distinctive surface reflection, long delay, large space, ex. stadium.
I giggled a little when he said "Fancy" while referring to a Mackie compact mixer... he'd probably spontaneously combust if he sat behind even a small DiGiCo :)
I did the same thing. For small analog mixers it's decent, but even a similar sized digital board would blow Linus's mind with all of the fun things you can do with them. A WiFi connection and some motorized faders make for quite the party trick.
Dan is the man! This was great, loved the enthusiasm from Dan and Linus. Would love to see a deep dive into Q-SYS and the UniFi VLAN configuration and hear about the future plans for tablet-based control, etc. Ideally on this channel, but even on Techlinked or Floatplane.
Great video, but honesty the intro confused me.I get the connection after watching the whole video, but i went back and rewatched the intro TWICE because I thought i was missing something important. I didn't even pick up on the PA system sound until the 3rd watch through, even with headphones on. All i saw was linus' car is getting towed and then he's talking about the DMV. that being said, It's really cool seeing smash champs come together!
Dante is great - We use this alot e.g in big churches, cruiseliners and more. The optimal way is really seperate it from the "normal" Network - Yes i can work but sometimes it is better to have Dante seperated. There amazing gear out e.g Stagetec Nexus Compact or some nice things from Yamaha :)
When i was doing my audio tech degree, we were one if the first places to get Dante (no joke they came out to install it) and its amazing to see how far they've come!! we were using it to record concerts off site (via college internet) as well as having a single cable for different room audio transfers. Awesome to see the growth and adaptation of a brilliant standard/ team
Would love to have been apart of that. Dante is great, we’re currently running an ever expanding system with 100+ devices, multi subnet routing, remote management, etc
"We need a multi zone PA that you can actually hear in this multipurpose building." Me "Dante and a Qsys would be great" Linus "We used Dante and Qsys" Hahaha As someone in pro AV and production for 30 years this was a great overview of what you can do with these
Love to see all the live sound people sounding off in the comments. I know entertainment tech isn't really the LTT style but it looks like there's some interest in at least installed techy sound equipment. I have a feeling there were some very helpful comments from the last video about Dante and Qsys to nudge them that way. Good job everyone
Mad props to Dan and the whole teeam. PA systems are really hard to do right. Buddy of mine shown me how they set up tune and calibrate ona a mixed indoor and outdoor setup. The complexity is mindboggling. But the difference when done right Vs just using high end stuff and just plug it in is incredible. Hell the active compensation based on noise level and spectrum for outdoor stuff is amazing. One thing he does push for is open API solutions to prevent vendor lock in.
I was working as a producer when Dante first started being announced. We had just invested heavily in ADAT over optical fiber throughout the whole property, so it was not practical for us to adopt, but I followed its development very closely with a tiny bit of jealous resentment and a lot of FOMO. If it had come to market a couple months prior, we would have saved a ton of money as we already had wired networking and would have only needed one cat 5 run to the stage. The 500ft or so of toslink cables plus the break out boxes in every room, booth, and to the stage outside, plus the Marian PCIe card and the absolute beast PC for the time that was required for it to all run was a significant investment in both terms of money and in terms of time. That and it would randomly drop samples, crack and pop, or just stop working ALL THE FREAKING TIME. I cannot tell you the number of ruined takes, and even a ruined concert recording, all supposedly caused by using “cheap” (still well over $100/ea) cables with plastic cores instead of glass (chosen both for cost and fragility since some runs had bends in them) Long story short, Dante would have been a significantly better investment if it had been out at the time.
what i have learned in recent years is the by-gone-era of things like PA, security, access cards, and intercoms is rapidly changing; and not by choice. the cost for what was once 'standard' is not only many times more expensive but also far less convenient than the market disruptions of the modern era. new companies are using tech that has been standard for over a decade - but in a new way to take over these 'niche' spaces in professional construction.
I'm favoured only God knows how much I praise Him, $230k every 4weeks! I now have a big mansion and can now afford anything and also support God’s work and the church.
Only God knows how much grateful i am. After so much struggles I now own a new house and my family is happy once again everything is finally falling into place!!
I started pretty low, though, $5000 thereabouts. The return came massive. Joey is in school doing well, telling me of new friends he's meeting in school. Thank you Evelyn Vera you're a miracle.
Man, I wish this video was released a year and a half ago. We had to design a PA system for a school, and although I knew some basic things about Dante, I dismissed it because it's not really used for in-building PA systems, and we went with a Chinese company. It's IP based, the speakers are PoE, but the latency makes it unusable for live application, and the speakers are not entirely in sync either. The bigger problem is that different speaker models have different latency, which in our case (indoor and outdoor speakers) was not that bad. The entire system (main controller, 20 speakers, two announcement stations and a pretty much useless FM radio / CD player) ended up costing something like 8000 euros plus later we needed to add an analog stereo PA to the assembly hall for another grand, plus labor fees. Some parts in the controller software are painful (like Chinese software usually is) but it gets the job done.
@@chillabaua I've never had the luxury to play with anything from Q-SYS (mostly do live audio and lighting). It really looks like something I'd enjoy setting up though. I'm a sucker for flow diagrams lol.
Really fun, but incredibly technical video. Most of the time I thought: I don't know what most of what Dan is saying means, but it sounds awesome and I want it.
12:38 wrong. UniFi has ALWAYS worked. You just needed to configure the firewall and ports correctly. I have configured UniFi to run WSG, DANTE, QSYS, corporate data, sACN, various VoIP protocols. All simultaneously, all without issue. It’s just a bit easier now.
Firewall has nothing to do with it. Dante and Q-Lan both require specific QOS settings on the switch to ensure that the PTP clocking traffic is handled properly. Up until recently UniFi didn't have a way to configure the QOS settings for a switch. I have experienced this first hand with a small Dante / Q-SYS system (under 10 devices) were the Q-SYS core kept going into processor overrun due to clocking issues. Moved to an Aruba switch with properly configured QOS and all the issues were fixed.
As an audio engineer myself, I love Dante. I use it on every show and tour that I go on. I love the fact that it is a one time purchase and you keep the software (DVS). It is the greatest thing created for us audio folks who work on the big productions because all I have to do is run a single cat6 to and from the console all the way hundreds of feet to my stage box where all my inputs and outputs are. It is really cool to see you guys using it in your system, it really shows how versatile Dante is
When and if you properly pack the place, you will likely have reception issues if you take the mic across the room. We are actively having this issue, imperceptible when empty / a little full, but when the room gets full, there's just enough interference that the mic does NOT want to leave it's 20 foot range around the receiver.
So glad to see them get cover the pro AV space. My familiarity with it has me wincing at most times with Linus' tech home upgrades just thinking of all the other similar but better solutions that could've been implemented. Such a relief to see this integration fall where I could predict :)
I'm working on requirements development for a project and everyone wants things to be simple and seamless to the end user. The thing is, it is impossible to eliminate complexity while still expanding capability. You can only move it somewhere else like some sort of technical shell game. Sometimes you need more complicated software, so it becomes a programmer's problem. Or maybe you want IT to work behind the scenes... That means a sysadmin somewhere probably had to pull his hair out to make it idiot proof. So yeah... complexity is a shell game.
It so wholesome that Linus does stuff for his community like this. I don't know how much of this is influencer stuff but I can see that at some level, he is quite passionate about helping his community.
The big man named DAN! That's why we love dan. "We make things simple by first making them complicated." I understand this completely and wrote a paper about this in college and made peoples brains hurt.
I saw the thumbnail and thought Linus installed a PA system in his car.
Me too lol
We all did
I don't understand why that's what they went with.
Freaking temu levels of clickbait
The second half of the title was cut off for me so I didn't know it had anything to do with speakers
This is one of those sneaky videos where most people might not care, but for those of us who have had to deal with similar setups, this is AMAZING. If I could've had something this flexible and seamless about 5 years ago, I wouldn't have had to drive to my work on days off almost every weekend. 10/10 job from Dan if this all works as well as presented!
I hate to tell you this, but everything shown in this video was definitely possible five years ago… For about the same price even.
@sphbecker I work in a different industry now, thankfully, so the timeline was more relevant to when I was doing these types of projects and not as much the tech used.
@ I can understanding getting out. My background is in live productions, which at least are a lot of fun, but installed AV is completely thankless but comes with very high expectations.
Hahaha I just wrote basically the same comment!
Aye aye on everything you said!
I was working at a Themepark in 2018 as an Eventtechnician and they had DANTE rolled out across the whole park. You could theoreticaly take the Audio from a show and run it on nearly every other speaker in the park.
As someone who works with Dante and system engineering every day, I was stoked to see how you implemented it. But you only scratched the surface of what Dante can do. DVS, DDM, connecting all sorts of processors, Dante video, and more. From small gigs to massive tours and broadcast setups, Dante networking is everywhere.
I hope you don't mind me asking. Could someone in their 30s get into the trade? Does it require lots of uni/college education? I have always been interested in audio engineering (concerts, venues, small bands etc) and system engineering like this but don't really know where to start.
Dante is awesome and great to see Linus and team using it. During my AV tech days, I installed a lot of these systems. Eventually received my level 3 cert for Dante, then was moved up to control system programmer. So frickin' easy to program and route audio. Dante should be the standard for any system.
I really want them to do a multi site Dante AV setup, I've done multi site audio with Dante and it's cool as hell
@@MatsueMusicall of the Dante certifications are free, and their parent company has great starter courses for AV/IT
Dan did repeatedly say that it's intentionally simple so non-Dan staff can function without a Dan..
As a Q-Sys programmer and AV design engineer, this is the video I have been waiting for since it was promised. Great job Dan!! I would suggest doing 'signal names' to clean up your design. No more wires all over your screen. Much cleaner look.
I came here to say the same thing! It was great to see this but the mess of wires in the file made me cringe
8:45 this has got to be the best UI design i have ever seen on LTT
When a backend programmer designs the frontend 😂
I'm commenting because I love this too. I want so badly to have something to add to this joke, but you both have pretty much covered everything.
@@trevdawg94 programmer *art*
Comic Sans is only used by pros.
Sometimes you really need a mascott to really bring everything together
This is the kind of content I'd love to see more of. Don't shy away from showing the "this is how we solved our problem" videos. I always live them.
What is this, Dan in a main channel video, yay! Bread.
Dan is a favorite!
I'm stoked about seeing him here too!
I'm just not sure about ramming though. Bread.
@@Zhyrca Wait...for some reason I knew that it was Dan but my brain hadn't reminded me that It was WAN show ramming Dan.
Dan is a genius!
BREAD! saurus
you can really feel Dan holding back his excitement at 15:09. truly tons of complexity behind the scenes to create such simplicity for the end-user. literally plug this into ANY port and you can speak to the PA system.
As someone who installs these systems, they are freaking amazing if you understand their capabilities.
@@calebpurvis6195 I don't understand, but they're still amazing lol
As someone who does this stuff for a living, it's super entertaining to see LMG cover this corner of the tech landscape.
It's both exciting and kind of painful, seeing them go with those dongles flopping out of the rack, having their UCI inside of the QSYS file. It certainly has the signature LTT jank.
@ConnorBlackwood absolutely, I expected to cringe way harder though. I've seen worse inheriting a Q-Sys file from a previous integrator or end user. For a first attempt, I'm reasonably impressed!
I am surprised I haven't seen them do more with Crestron or RTI.
Exactly, more enterprise stuff, I want to know how things work!
@@Telecraster Thanks! It was super fun and obviously this is an incredibly early first test. Spent about a day on the setup hah. UCI will eventually be moved to something that can be on a tablet for the staff to use day to day. I thought more people would cringe tbh. Once WHALE lan approaches I'll do another full pass, tidy up the programming, and button up the interfaces. The jank is fun but this is a production system and needs to be treated as such. Was my first experience with Q-Sys and I'm loving it. Extremely easy to set up and deploy. Like, a few hours for a perfectly functional system, if not jank under the hood.
As someone who works with Dante and Q-Sys systems literally daily, I’m glad to see you went with the implementation you did. Dante is by far the most powerful audio networking solution on the market currently, I use it for everything from broadcasts to large festival systems.
Two things I should say. Running antenna lines and mounting a pair in proper places will pay off. You may have great coverage now with the receiver tucked away, but RF can be messy and the last thing you want is dropouts.
Also, I’ve got a history of Q-sys systems failing on me, so if redundancy is the name of the game when it comes to working with their equipment. It may work fine for years, but walking in on a completely down system is not fun. Also put them on a UPS, as they’re unusually susceptible to voltage spikes.
Subs are also nice 🤣 and a few boxes of line array at one end of the room flown would absolutely MAKE a party
Thats the beauty of it - they could have some active subs and just plug a network cable into the extra switch(es) they're already getting out for Whale LAN, and using an XLR cable they can just connect the subs and it "just works".
@ agreed, hooking up a “real”/ concert PA to this system would take like 15 minutes
I completely agree about mounting like a paddle antenna somewhere for better RF performance
I love how Dan smiled at 15:31 when talking :D shows how passionate he's about it
Passionate about what he's doing and VERY proud of what he's achieved (and rightfully so, this is a sick setup)
They fired a bunch of people and shutdown a lot of channels
@@richardwoods7593 and that's Dan's fault how exactly?
@@richardwoods7593 Where did you get that info?
I only know Linus "adressed" personal changes the last WAN show but how do you know they got fired, and not quit themselves? How do you even know how many are gone?
Glad to see Linus discovering Dante. Dante is the backbone of our audio infrastructure at the venue that I manage. We've got 3 different buildings all connected on our network and are able to effortlessly pipe audio to anywhere in the building with just a few clicks of a button.
4:10 "for better balance" he says while almost dropping the mixer.
The joke made itself
Epic 😂
Almost as if it was fake.
@@harrparr8988 I wouldn't describe it as fake, just not spontaneous.
I'm so glad he found Dante. It's epic and something I've used a ton for live concerts, concerts, and festivals. It works amazingly well.
i watch your videos
I did a small install at my previous church about 5 years ago, and even if the mixer I used only had Dante as an option for stage boxes (rather than a Behringer or A&H proprietary system), I would have used it anyway to avoid the vendor lock-in (so saving money in the long term, you can replace the mixer and just buy a Dante expansion card without replacing the stage boxes as well) and the ability to have devices plugged in to 2 different networks with automatic seamless fail-over if a cable were to fail.
4:10 That poor Mackie's life flashed before his eyes...
@@JirForce It's Mackie, it was literally built to withstand that xd
@@Camilink94It's not a real SM58 until it's got a dented windscreen and enough scratches you'd wonder if someone hit it with steel wool.
@@YttriumtYcLief If you're not using your SM58 as a hammer, then why did you buy an SM58?
It’s a mackie, it’s the 58 of mixers. He could’ve built that building using it as a hammer, then still used it as a mixer.
heart attack aaaaaa
As a network administrator, that RGB switching is sick. In a business setting, I've always had use color coded cables to define different vlans/networks and important uplinks, etc.. in an RGB switch you could just light up the colors based on the vlan and use all the same cables. Amazing.
Or do both, diffrent colourd ports and wires to pack even more information onto the switchboard.
The automatic ducking is actually genius, what a fantastic idea and implemented so well.
Many even cheapest mixers have had this since the 80s. Usually a lot more nervous though and misic blows up again after a second. Seldomly configurable.
Absolute standard, nothing special at all 🤦♂🤦♂
@@julianreverse being able to customize it is what makes it great
Would love to see the settings that were applied to make that work
quack
I setup my entire church w/ Dante across two venues, the broadcast suite, multi purpose rooms, and common areas. Anything can go anywhere. On special weekends we’ll split the band up between the two venues and do a combined service. We show the musicians from the other venue on the LED wall on the back of the stage. Everyone loves it. We did setup completely separate infrastructure for it, though. We’re moving almost 128 channels at 96 kHz in both directions. Even the speakers have redundant Dante links to redundant Cisco switches. It was a lot of fun to deploy.
0:10 lighting looks so nice
@@NovaTurtlez what ligtning?
It really does
@@gorombolyieriklighting, not lightning
8:25 The smile on Linus's face when he hears about the elaborate scheme with all of the zones. You can tell the badminton court is his dream, just from that smile alone 😁
This series has been one of the coolest things to watch, I love seeing tech in action in the real world instead of just seeing numbers and charts.
i hope they make a dvd or something at the tail end of it all, or at least a dedicated playlist
I am a music teacher at a school in the US that uses Dante to manage the audio in our Auditorium/Gym/Rehearsal Spaces, etc. I had to watch a TON of RUclips videos about Dante to learn how to configure multitrack recording off our Auditorium Sound Board and to configure/adjust routing and volume levels in the hallways and other spaces where sound was being routed that we didn't need/want most of the time. It took forever, but it truly is amazing what you can do with it. With all of my on-the-job training and experience, I'm wondering if I would make more money doing live sound instead of teaching music... lol
the in house venue I work at was built on the ground up with Dante connectivity in mind. multiple meeting rooms with Dante as its backbone, Q-Sys as a controller, and Crestron for UI. our main hall has everything connected to Dante which can be routed to and from anywhere.
in total we have approximately 250 speakers, approximately 700 channels, 140+ stereo inputs, 30+ UI surfaces, and Companion has been a huge help with daily automations and routing presets.
Dante can be very finicky as Dan mentioned. It is for the most part very stable if the network isn't saturated with "garbage" data. Just because you have 10Gbe speeds, doesn't mean it'll be stable.
@@williewonka1500 Actually Dante isn’t finicky when you properly design your network, it’s actually rock stable. You only need to know how to properly manage data, and in Dante Clocking is EVERYTHING. You don’t have clocking stable in the network, it’s done, nothing will work. It doesn’t need some fancy network switch can absolutely make Dante work flawlessly with a 25$ managed network switch. If you properly manage QoS and Multicast it will work every time .
This is what makes LTT. This type of relatable content really hits home. I too ran into these problems with a PA system in my where house but not anymore. Thanks LTT
I actually love seeing this since I'm looking to do an industrial shop PA upgrade soon!
At this point linus should also start consulting services & ask less for the privilege of making a public case study(ltt videos). All major firms keep such case studies for learning & review, why not let the client save a buck if he doesn't mind being on yt.
@@kushagraN You'd be shocked how many places are super paranoid about what they do getting out into the public. I work on supply chain consulting, and asking if we can take pictures onsite makes out contacts start sweating heavily heavily 70% of the time, and takes 2 weeks to get an answer. Everyone thinks that they've built the golden goose, without realizing that everyone does that process the exact same way.
6:43 "Complexity to make things simple". THIS is the challenge most face.
I am the Q-Sys/Dante administrator at a school in Florida. I didn't do the install, but love the feature of how these two AV solutions can be used in a non-education/performance space!
Oh? Where at?
Man, I didn’t ever work in whole-building audio myself, but I’ve worked with a boatload of people who did, and $20k for equipment and probably $50-100k for the infrastructure team’s time (for both present work and likely future work w. Reconfigures), that is like less than half of what those guys were telling me it cost to do this kind of work. Good on ya guys for showing us this.
As an audio pro myself, Dante Networking is my favorite part of the gig. It’s intuitive expandable and just voodoo at times. I’ve used it in large productions + studio environments and it just amazes me how much better it made the audio world.
We need more Dan content, he reminds me of my school's district I.T specialist, I helped him too since our school had a system that you could work with school staff as academic work
Hey Dan, you’ve probably already thought about this, but I’d recommend replacing the AVIO Bluetooth dongle with a wifi streamer like the Episode Lynk hooked up to an AVIO analog input adapter. Then you can walk the whole building with a phone that’s streaming music.
So many flashbacks from trying to manage music at a restaurant through wifi....oh the horrors...
@@ryanA133at pizza Hut we did it via some old laptop remote desktopd to something on the network that was capable of actually streaming internet radio but did not have an audio jack
Probably would be easier to go into the Dante network from a media playback system for 90% of the music. For the guests that bring in stuff that's when the Wi-Fi streaming/Bluetooth would still be nice to keep implemented.
As someone who works in the AV industry, I have to applaud you guys for going with Dante.
That was my first thought when you were talking about your options.
The amazing thing is, if you get an AV company to come to your LAN event, it shouldn't be hard for them to plug in and do whatever they need.
The other thing I would love to mention is, you can get a networking company to program your switches for Dante, etc.
That's what we do if we need to run Dante, Internet, Artnet and multiple other protocols across multiple buildings, we hire a company who rents us CISCO switches programmed so we only need to run 1 Ethernet cable in between buildings.
Linus should just make his own tech company for everything
Creation warehouse will eventually build everything because nothing is "good enough" for Linus. Eventually they will break off to their own company and build stuff internationally lol
Amen!
He is rich, but not that rich.
It'll just be called LT, Linus Technology. They'd then release a new channel just called LTT, Linus Tech Troubleshooting.
I told him that. Especially home automation stuff as he seems to struggle with them a lot.
As an audio engineer, who works on TV trucks and in live production, Dante is fantastic! The Dante tax is real, but Audinate manufacturers and supports the IO cards in Dante products, which is crucial in high stakes live events.
Dante I/O boxes are widely used for Call of Duty® championships and other live gaming tournaments. It will even take 64 channels of Audio direct to and from a PC Ethernet port if you are running Dante Virtual Sound card.
I work at a pretty natioanlly big AV integrator putting together systems like this one all the time, I absolutely love seeing dan dive into the things I work with, but you guys barely scratched the surface, between PTZ operation and routing inside of qsys, building conrol, audio routing, theres so much cool stuff in AVoIP. I hope you guys continue to cover it.
As an AV Integrator I would like to note that not all 70v systems are created equal and the crappy ones give them all a bad rap. 70v systems are great, the fidelity issues mostly affect the lower frequencies. If extra low end is needed add a subwoofer with a crossover on the system.
i feel i could talk to dan for hours on end about literally anything. Dudes a jack of all trades, and a master of at least half!
Dan's current role at LMG (besides producing WAN) seems to be solving other people's "I need something that does *this*" requests in the jankiest way possible.
Nice to see some Qsys and Dante on the Chanel,
I really hope the Unify Beta with the Pro switches and Dante protocol wil work.
Small Tip for Dan, You have the block PA Router and this is one block that can control all of your announcement to every zone you want and can even record save en play the announcement again.
Even automatic pre-announcement can play from here.
I work for a theme park and the AV is part of my responsibilities, so I have seen some creative programming. The best advice I have is think a head of what you want. Take that in consideration while programming and keep everything nice and tide and slit the inputs routing outputs enz on different pages of the program gets bigger and bigger for a nice overview if you need to change tings.
I am looking forwards to see what you guys have done with it. Good luck and have fun.
The company I work for moved into a space with Qsys deployed for conference rooms, white noise generations, and office audio/PA. That was a fun 6 months rushing classes and learning how to configure it lol. All in all I liked Qsys a lot. Lots of options on configuration and the basic certification is free to take and teaches you a lot.
This was an extremely helpful and entertaining video. I am a volunteer at my church and these videos about the new badminton facility have been game changers. I don’t think people realize the sheer amount of man hours to do the research on the compatibility of all different types of components. These type of videos have a huge impact on smaller organizations and I’m really appreciative of it. Please keep these type of videos coming.
8:45 “graphic design is my passion.”
Lmao 😂
it works so good
Working in the A/V integration and interactive arts sphere, I can say that Dante is one of the very few proprietary protocol & standard that are worth the money and remains robust in a ton of different scenarios. Great setup!
SoundTube POE speakers are some of my favorite equipment to work with. I was a part of an A/V team as a student employee working to replace and setup PA/Speaker systems in a large rec center and they were so easy to run and get connected wherever we needed it. Dante is something we'll keep in mind to share with higher ups in our teams as we continue discussions for solutions and replacement for our existing AVoIP systems
If you head to their website you can get Dante training for free too
You sound very important. Thank-you for being important.
I was having LAN events like 5-7 years ago in a space which had a system like this. Solid stupid proof. 3 buttons, aux, HDMI and microphone.
Press microphone you get the microphone output to the whole place. Press aux, is now uses aux. Press HDMI and the projector turns on and the sound and video goes to the HDMI. Press any of the other buttons and the sound goes to that device. Press HDMI again and the sound comes back, press it again and it turns off sound and hdmi.
With a little light showing what input is used.
Super simple but they paid a pretty penny for it. Everyone, even kids could manage it and that was the point.
Looked like a KNX swich panel, and probably just a programmable stereo system.
I was just at a wedding venue that got set up in 2020. They told me they had some crazy guy from Amazon come in. There was one panel on the wall with a Bluetooth module and to control modules that let you choose all sorts of options of where Sound went. They had the main barn hall, the Chapple, serving area and like three or four other rooms down in the basement. I was with a man that came in and they add to such a jacks on either side of the room for DJs to plug into. I had to split our signal delay it and then feed into the system because we were on the opposite side of the room from the speakers. But wow what a nice system it was. And then each of the rooms downstairs had their own little controls.
After being burned by the death of firewire and having thousands of dollars in otherwise perfectly functional audio gear rendered useless... I built my current recording studio around Dante in 2015 with the intention of it being "future proof". Happy to say that nearly 10 years later it's still working great. Big fan of Dante.
firewire was is nice and it is still usable it's just that certain companies (cough personas) refused to update drivers. It's almost like they want to sell you a brand new product? But yet didn't want to upgrade their drivers to be certified and signed.
Anyone who knows anything about live audio these days knows Dante is one of the most essential audio frameworks out there... and it's funny that you're running everything over Ubiquiti switches because I guarantee that in a couple years you'll see their equipment being deployed for this exact purpose in some of the most prestigious trucks and facilities in the world because of its ease of use. one of the smartest & best firmware updates they've released.
@4:10 Linus almost being Linus 😂😂😂😂
Exactly 😂
all while talking about audio balance, i think this one is peak linus
"for better balance"... alright linus
As someone in the audio industry that gets slightly annoyed by bad PA, can I just say what a PA system, such a good deal & so simple (to end user), awesome job Dan!
Like transit systems with their highly reflective ceramic tile walls. It all comes out like gibberish.
@@krane15 combined that with decades-old horribly maintained equipment that nobody knows how to use and people who eat the Mic and don't annunciate.... yah
I love how many things he has going on all together, and how varied and interesting each video is !
That's what happens when you have a literal team of writers coupled with a producer and even more staff to come up with and plan videos.
A new CEO to focus on video seems to be working great 🎉
LTT getting into the pro/ production audio world now with DANTE, QSYS and more?!?! Heck yeah!
The company I work for is getting ready to install a mercury PA system in my site and this video is perfect for me to understand how this works. Cant wait for our to get installed now.
As a hardcore Dante enthusiast and audio engineer, Audinate has quite literally changed the game for Pro Audio and commercial installs. My life is 100x easier because of Dante :D
Dante has become a BIG tool for Radio lately, as they are the most cost effective way to ship audio around a network. Love their stuff.
Networking tip: get a radius server hooked up in the network. Use MAB together with radius to get your vlans to auto configure. So when you plug in a dante device the switch automaticly puts it in the right vlan.
One of the big spaces for Dante audio is that it’s used in most large theme parks (such as Disneyland) to transport audio everywhere on its own dedicated network.
Back in the day, distributed audio in a theme park meant having large cages with audio processing cards in them, sending out audio to other parts of the park into amp racks, then doing 70v speakers from those racks. It was complicated, expensive, not super adaptable, and not easily configurable. Dante is muuuuuch better.
Id like to correct you on a couple of things with Dante. At 12:00 you said you dont have a mixer, but you do, just not a separate mixer, the mixer is built into the Q-Sys system, as its a Matrix Mixer. At 12:36 there are no switch requirements, thats not true, there are a few switch requirements, Dante uses Level 3 of the OSI model, and the switches MUST be Gigabit at a minimum, with no green/effieciency mode or at least be turned off completely as it turns off the port even if audio is being transmitted. 12:30 Dante can use your already installed infrustuctre as long as they meet the previous stated point and they will need to use a VLAN and Trunking to be able to move traffic between switches. I hope those speakers are time aligned as well.
These types of videos and the home videos are by far my favorite
As someone who used to do live sound for these type of venues, this is the coolest video i have seen from LTT. So cool to see sound over ethernet finally reach its potential
Hearing the name Dante fills me with first-semester dread. I had to configure something with it and it confused the heck out of me. Shoutout to anyone who works with it on a regular basis
It does have its moments of hair pulling. Though typically all the issues come down to network problems. It's really good to see large manufacturers implementing preset Network configurations for common AV protocols.
ngl I did not understand what was said over the PA in the intro lol (wearing sony wh1000m5 so I do not think it's the headset).
And wouldn't snapcast with bunch of slave RPis and one master RPi make more sense? Rpi does not care what speakers you use or how you use them and neither does snapcast. It just repeats audio from the master one and that is it's entire purpose. Can even run on Pi3s that are super cheap and uses FLAC. And I think that the master machine can also be windows as it does use a web interface to mix in the audio,l but never tested that (the guide I was using was RPi only and web interface can be accessed and put audio in through separate machine anyways). No hate, just wanted to say that snapcast sounds like more of a techy setup/solution to me than a basically "use only compliant HW and protocols". Like I know this is a pro solution and I like to see it but... I kinda miss the jank of the DYI pains with this one... something LTT often struggled with on projects like these.
But yeah 20k is cheap for pro solution. And this is by far the most flexible pro setup I have seen. Beats running "special" cat5s that only use one pair.
The biggest issue with PA speakers is that oftentimes they are set up so the speakers output interferes with other speakers output.
This is legit. Love DANTE. Managed to get our ISP to interlink two campuses with a Layer 2 link and did a whole production from a control room about 3 miles away
Dan is great. If there is someone else writing his quips then props to that person.
Not if his contributions to the WAN show are anything to go by. I've seen bits of LTT with the subtitle set as "Linus is Linus". I think we need one that says "Dan is Dan"
This is neat! Just so people know, most insulation and sound treatment materials aren't rated to be painted. Paint fills in the pores of the material and particularly impacts high and mid frequency absorption. Be sure to check datasheets before you paint acoustic treatment, we've had to rip out a lot of treatment that was rendered completely useless because it was painted!
As a person who uses sound boards on the regular not using a board and still having seemingly smooth experience fading the audio is impressive.
Wow no idea if you saw my post on the original video but I had actually suggested looking into the QSys core just because of how configurable and expandable they are but they aren't cheap. About the only thing I personally would have changed was I would have just used self powered speakers similar to the JBL Eon you had at the start just b/c I'm not familiar with the POE speakers but the idea is really neat behind them.
Also there is no reason that 70v line system can't have musicality to them. I've actually installed 70v line systems that also included in-ceiling subwoofers which was an interesting take for a restaurant but floor space was at a premium in this particular space.
So many people give 70V system such a bad rap. Sure there were some bad quality transformers out they're tied to some bad quality speakers but a lot of it was the junk that fed the system not being set up or installed properly, used properly or even responsibly maintained.
I love Dan, my favorite Dan quote is the "L is for narcissist"
I work in a large cannabis Cultivation and we're currently setting up a PA system with the same speakers and a similar system basically just used to play music through the building.. not a good investment but it sure is entertaining.
4:21 almost drop it
Linus Drop Tips
Reverb vs Echo simplified:
Reverb = multiples surface reflection, short delay (ms), small space, ex. shower.
Echo = a distinctive surface reflection, long delay, large space, ex. stadium.
I giggled a little when he said "Fancy" while referring to a Mackie compact mixer... he'd probably spontaneously combust if he sat behind even a small DiGiCo :)
Fancy is not how I would describe that lol
I did the same thing. For small analog mixers it's decent, but even a similar sized digital board would blow Linus's mind with all of the fun things you can do with them. A WiFi connection and some motorized faders make for quite the party trick.
I think he would stare for hours at motorized faders
I'm sure he meant fancy, as in, more than 4 channels lol
Dan is the man! This was great, loved the enthusiasm from Dan and Linus. Would love to see a deep dive into Q-SYS and the UniFi VLAN configuration and hear about the future plans for tablet-based control, etc. Ideally on this channel, but even on Techlinked or Floatplane.
In the pro audio world Dante is the shit, its the number 1 protocol we use
Great video, but honesty the intro confused me.I get the connection after watching the whole video, but i went back and rewatched the intro TWICE because I thought i was missing something important. I didn't even pick up on the PA system sound until the 3rd watch through, even with headphones on. All i saw was linus' car is getting towed and then he's talking about the DMV. that being said, It's really cool seeing smash champs come together!
Dante is great - We use this alot e.g in big churches, cruiseliners and more.
The optimal way is really seperate it from the "normal" Network - Yes i can work but sometimes it is better to have Dante seperated.
There amazing gear out e.g Stagetec Nexus Compact or some nice things from Yamaha :)
PS: We use Netgear or Cisco Switches or sometimes Yamaha Switches^^ - work great and without any problemes^^.
@@djspecialpaul TIL that yamaha made network switches. They really do make everything, huh.
When i was doing my audio tech degree, we were one if the first places to get Dante (no joke they came out to install it) and its amazing to see how far they've come!! we were using it to record concerts off site (via college internet) as well as having a single cable for different room audio transfers. Awesome to see the growth and adaptation of a brilliant standard/ team
Would love to have been apart of that. Dante is great, we’re currently running an ever expanding system with 100+ devices, multi subnet routing, remote management, etc
"We need a multi zone PA that you can actually hear in this multipurpose building." Me "Dante and a Qsys would be great"
Linus "We used Dante and Qsys"
Hahaha
As someone in pro AV and production for 30 years this was a great overview of what you can do with these
11:50 i love the editors note :D
Love to see all the live sound people sounding off in the comments. I know entertainment tech isn't really the LTT style but it looks like there's some interest in at least installed techy sound equipment. I have a feeling there were some very helpful comments from the last video about Dante and Qsys to nudge them that way. Good job everyone
Thought his car was getting impounded because the wrap was illegal after all. 😂😂
@@aks3l897 I was like well that was fast😂😂
Mad props to Dan and the whole teeam. PA systems are really hard to do right. Buddy of mine shown me how they set up tune and calibrate ona a mixed indoor and outdoor setup. The complexity is mindboggling. But the difference when done right Vs just using high end stuff and just plug it in is incredible. Hell the active compensation based on noise level and spectrum for outdoor stuff is amazing. One thing he does push for is open API solutions to prevent vendor lock in.
Love any video that features Dan, wish he was in more content but clearly his behind the scenes work takes up so much time and skill.
I was working as a producer when Dante first started being announced.
We had just invested heavily in ADAT over optical fiber throughout the whole property, so it was not practical for us to adopt, but I followed its development very closely with a tiny bit of jealous resentment and a lot of FOMO.
If it had come to market a couple months prior, we would have saved a ton of money as we already had wired networking and would have only needed one cat 5 run to the stage.
The 500ft or so of toslink cables plus the break out boxes in every room, booth, and to the stage outside, plus the Marian PCIe card and the absolute beast PC for the time that was required for it to all run was a significant investment in both terms of money and in terms of time. That and it would randomly drop samples, crack and pop, or just stop working ALL THE FREAKING TIME. I cannot tell you the number of ruined takes, and even a ruined concert recording, all supposedly caused by using “cheap” (still well over $100/ea) cables with plastic cores instead of glass (chosen both for cost and fragility since some runs had bends in them)
Long story short, Dante would have been a significantly better investment if it had been out at the time.
I cant believe Linus was the bay harbour butcher
I CAN'T ESCAPE IT
Dexter brain rot reached ltt
Don't let this comment blow up please, I can't take it anymore.
I can't believe Doakes was the Bay harbor butcher
Dexter Brainrot let's gooooo
what i have learned in recent years is the by-gone-era of things like PA, security, access cards, and intercoms is rapidly changing; and not by choice. the cost for what was once 'standard' is not only many times more expensive but also far less convenient than the market disruptions of the modern era. new companies are using tech that has been standard for over a decade - but in a new way to take over these 'niche' spaces in professional construction.
I'm favoured only God knows how much I praise Him, $230k every 4weeks! I now have a big mansion and can now afford anything and also support God’s work and the church.
Only God knows how much grateful i am. After so much struggles I now own a new house and my family is happy once again everything is finally falling into place!!
Wow that's huge, how do you make that much monthly?
I'm 37 and have been looking for ways to be successful, please how??
It's Ms. Evelyn Vera doing, she's changed my life.
I started pretty low, though, $5000 thereabouts. The return came massive. Joey is in school doing well, telling me of new friends he's meeting in school. Thank you Evelyn Vera you're a miracle.
Man, I wish this video was released a year and a half ago. We had to design a PA system for a school, and although I knew some basic things about Dante, I dismissed it because it's not really used for in-building PA systems, and we went with a Chinese company. It's IP based, the speakers are PoE, but the latency makes it unusable for live application, and the speakers are not entirely in sync either. The bigger problem is that different speaker models have different latency, which in our case (indoor and outdoor speakers) was not that bad. The entire system (main controller, 20 speakers, two announcement stations and a pretty much useless FM radio / CD player) ended up costing something like 8000 euros plus later we needed to add an analog stereo PA to the assembly hall for another grand, plus labor fees. Some parts in the controller software are painful (like Chinese software usually is) but it gets the job done.
As an AV tech... calling that QSYS DSP setup complex made me giggle.
Not even close lol
Yeah fr they've never seen anything like chamsys magicQ (tho that's artnet/DMX lighting)
@@mindlessmrawesome or MA
As a dev at q-sys I also had quite the smile
@@chillabaua I've never had the luxury to play with anything from Q-SYS (mostly do live audio and lighting). It really looks like something I'd enjoy setting up though. I'm a sucker for flow diagrams lol.
Really fun, but incredibly technical video. Most of the time I thought: I don't know what most of what Dan is saying means, but it sounds awesome and I want it.
12:38 wrong. UniFi has ALWAYS worked. You just needed to configure the firewall and ports correctly. I have configured UniFi to run WSG, DANTE, QSYS, corporate data, sACN, various VoIP protocols. All simultaneously, all without issue. It’s just a bit easier now.
Was just about to write this comment. Would have been bad if my last ~1000 venues had no sound lol.
@ I know right?
Their first gen switches had igmp issues if I remembered correctly. Also their consumer don't have options for alle features. At least not in the GUI
Firewall has nothing to do with it. Dante and Q-Lan both require specific QOS settings on the switch to ensure that the PTP clocking traffic is handled properly. Up until recently UniFi didn't have a way to configure the QOS settings for a switch. I have experienced this first hand with a small Dante / Q-SYS system (under 10 devices) were the Q-SYS core kept going into processor overrun due to clocking issues. Moved to an Aruba switch with properly configured QOS and all the issues were fixed.
@@chillabaua And Yet I have them working
As an audio engineer myself, I love Dante. I use it on every show and tour that I go on. I love the fact that it is a one time purchase and you keep the software (DVS). It is the greatest thing created for us audio folks who work on the big productions because all I have to do is run a single cat6 to and from the console all the way hundreds of feet to my stage box where all my inputs and outputs are. It is really cool to see you guys using it in your system, it really shows how versatile Dante is
Finally, a video I can understand, I knew that LV2 Dante certification would come in handy one day!
@@garretthuffaker4457 only level 3 you start to understand the configuration of Dante. Level 2 is still very much the basics of networking.
@@garretthuffaker4457 I was wondering what they were going to use for this and was surprised they went full Dante although it is the best option.
When and if you properly pack the place, you will likely have reception issues if you take the mic across the room. We are actively having this issue, imperceptible when empty / a little full, but when the room gets full, there's just enough interference that the mic does NOT want to leave it's 20 foot range around the receiver.
Good old line of sight/density of interference
2:04 ITS A COMMUTER BACKPACK!!!!!!!
Wow.
So glad to see them get cover the pro AV space. My familiarity with it has me wincing at most times with Linus' tech home upgrades just thinking of all the other similar but better solutions that could've been implemented. Such a relief to see this integration fall where I could predict :)
Dan is the absolute man. His knowledge base on such a wide variety of things never fails to amaze me. What a Chad he is.
I'm working on requirements development for a project and everyone wants things to be simple and seamless to the end user. The thing is, it is impossible to eliminate complexity while still expanding capability. You can only move it somewhere else like some sort of technical shell game. Sometimes you need more complicated software, so it becomes a programmer's problem. Or maybe you want IT to work behind the scenes... That means a sysadmin somewhere probably had to pull his hair out to make it idiot proof.
So yeah... complexity is a shell game.
It so wholesome that Linus does stuff for his community like this. I don't know how much of this is influencer stuff but I can see that at some level, he is quite passionate about helping his community.
The big man named DAN! That's why we love dan. "We make things simple by first making them complicated." I understand this completely and wrote a paper about this in college and made peoples brains hurt.