It seems to me the story of Aragorn would have been way better. Dude was like 90 years old by LotR. Gollum's story was literally already told... kills his bud, eats babies, exiled to the cave, Bilbo finds the ring, Gollum searches for it, gets captured by Mordor, tortured, gives up the name Baggins. Let go, then later he tracks down the fellowship... then has a nice lunch with Frodo and Sam, then does a backflip into a volcano.
Absolutely, plus there's so many other stories that could be good. Maybe a show about the Haradrim and why they hated Gonder etc. Tons of other unexplored areas.
COMPLETELY WRONG. There is about a 10 page appendix in ROTK regarding the Hunt for Gollum, which is enough material to vaguely warrant a loosely canon movie about it.
@@fishjones4618that’s something I’d actually support. We can make it an isekai, where wormtongue gets transported to our modern day real life. He works his way up the corporate ladder. I’d watch that.
There's a Gollum fan film, that was made 15 years ago and was until today, available on youtube to watch for free. Guess what? WB hit this fan made, non commercial movie, with a copyright strike today and youtube took it down. UPDATE: After people protesting they took back the copyright claim, the fanmade movie is back.
Pippin: What about Hunt for Gollum? Aragorn: You already had it. One existed in 2009. Pippin: We had one, yes. What about another Hunt for Gollum? Aragorn: 🤨 🍎
So they're going to make a film about a single page in the Fellowship of the Ring. They should have made a film about in the book when Gimli promised Legolas that after the ring is destroyed he would take him on a grand tour of the Mines of Moria and explain the entire hidden history of the Dwarfs.
I remember that. That would be sweet. Think back there's probably a million other little asides that would be better than the search for gollum, Serkis' masterful performance aside. Basically the ending of that story is the start of the real story
The problem with any modern adaptation of Tolkiens works, outside of making crap up, is that they will never respect the fact that these books are representative of Celtic, Gaelic, and Anglo Saxon culture, that they were written to represent the peoples of the British Isles, so they will ignore all of that, arropriate our culture, and make the cast "diverse". It it were an original work like Warcraft, Harry Potter, e.t.c then I would have zero issues with a diverse cast in a fantasy setting, but this is Tolkien and his work was written as a replacement for the myths, stories, and legends that were lost in this country due to various invasions, it was written to represent us. But of course, im sure saying that makes me racist to these people.
@Rotom0479 Holding it back from what? More god-awful "modern audience" adaptations and mediocre writers trying to "fix the stories" by inserting their politics? Or do you mean that trying to keep LOTR tied to its roots is holding it back from being properly milked to death by corporate suits? You'd convince me with that one.
Gandalf: "I looked everywhere for the creature gollum, but the enemy found him first" - There, just saved Warner Brothers $150m and the audiance a $15 movie ticket. Seriously though, there is already The Hunt for Gollum fan movie that cost only $5,000 , I dont know why we need a big budget version of a very small side quest.
Studio just copyright struck the fan film. Its gone. I watched it maybe a decade ago. I guaranteed it was better than whatever the studio is going to put out.
@@rhelerinnon5553 Dude that fan movie opened up literally as recommendation in my right hand column for this feed. Opened it and works fine in YT. Should I download it before it gets shut down in my country too?
I know EXACTLY why this is the story they chose to do! In the books Aragorn describes his hunt for Gollum as taking him "far to the south where the stars are strange" meaning the southern hemisphere, namely Harad. Harad was more or less Tolkien's equivalent to Africa. They are doing this story so they can show middle earth as diverse...
JKR single-handedly managad to get a whole generation of children to start reading books -- I have a clear memory of an 8-9 year old girl walking about town with the massive Order of the Phoenix hardback hundreds of pagers long tucked under her arm ; and then they made the movies, and the immediate next generation abandoned the books, abandoned reading, and then abandoned JKR.
Those children that read the books were the offspring of a 1960s and 70s up brining. Gen Z is of a generation in between that. Their parents lacked a cultural identity. The younger Gen Z are completely different with their parents being millennials and will be similar to their parents in some ways but radically different in other ways.
With the Witch-King as the villain and the forging of the sword that will one day kill him as an Easter egg for the fans…you could make a decent one-season series out of it. If anyone were actually up to making decent series out of such things.
Between werewolves and dragons, you could take virtually any part of Tolkien's legendarium and make a good movie out of it. The problem is the lack of name-value. Gollum is an established and well-known character (probably the best known character, as far as the movies go).
RUclips had a pretty decent movie called 'The Hunt for Gollum' at about 40 minutes it was pretty solid. It has since been blocked due copyright grounds.
The backstory for Smeagol at the beginning of Return of the King was all the Gollum we needed. and to everyone saying "oh but its Peter Jackson and the screenwriters of LOTR, so it might be good" well they were also the ones who made the Hobbit films and see how bad those turned out.
@@adriandenton6637Literally zero studio interference. Despite what the Jackson fanboys will tell you (ie invent). Everything people dislike is a result of Jackson and his team. 3 films? Guess who pitched that? Jackson. Because two apparently wasn't enough (because he was filming too much shite). Jackson took over from Del Toro as director? Sure... ignoring the fact that Jackson was working WITH Del Toro from the beginning, in the writer's room (ie, Tauriel was conceptualised as a team). Etc, etc.
@@Jaggith that first episode sure did warn us though. Hey, Perrin is married and Mat is a dirty thief, surely they wont make any other changes. At least Rand will be cool, right?.....Right?
Reminds me of the heady days of Smaug, and Bilbo Baggins. When the world trembled at our trilogy. Only this time, it will tremble at the low box office scores.
The Little Platoon had it perfectly: Look what they did to The Rings of Power, The Wheel of Time and The Witcher - don't let those same hacks at Elric or The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant. There is no way that they could produce anything worthwhile with a protagonist as complex as either of those.
I think we should give it a chance cause I want to see the scene where he holds to that waterwheel thing with bad physics and his arms go all wonky in IMAX.
I suspect it's because so many people said, "The best thing about The Hobbit movies was Gollum." and took that as a cry out for more instead of an insult to those films.
I mean...that quote is pretty dumb. Evil has created a lot of things in the world. Hans Geiger made the Geiger Counter...he was very Pro-Austrian Painter.
There is a very good little Indie movie called ''The Hunt for Gollum'' available to watch online right now. Looks like Warner Bros are just ripping it.
I agree with Robert… we need New Stories With the untapped stories around the world it’s almost immeasurable, but no one in Hollywood is game enough for fresh new/old stories that haven’t been seen on screen.
We know Gollum's story. What's the mystery? Gollum is a great side character. He works well in this role in the Shadow of Mordor video game, too. Jack Sparrow is a great side character in Pirates of the Caribbean. It doesn't work when you take a character like that and make them the central focus. You just end up with Dead Men Tell No Tales.
side character? he is the most essential character. without gollum, frodo would have never given up the ring. you have no understanding of the story clearly
@@baokachi9767 Frodo didn't give up the ring. Gollum is essential to the destruction of the ring, but he's barely even in the first film, so much so that he wasn't even cast at the time of filming. He is a shapeshifter, who joins the main characters, appearing as both ally and enemy and we don't know which. You didn't even make your point without referring to a main character when commenting about Gollum. You are the one with no understanding of the story.
There's a nice parallel here - in the Silmarillion Morgoth could not make new life, only corrupt existing life forms into a mockery of what exists. Disney-Lucasfilm is basically Morgoth
Gollum is a popular character because of his contrast with Bilbo, and then Frodo. Elevating him to lead character status is the storytelling equivalent of walking off a cliff.
While I agree that three films was overkill, I still disagree with the assessment that The Hobbit should have been adapted into a single film. One of the first things people seem to forget is that The Hobbit was written as a children's book, which means a lot more happens on far fewer pages, with Tolkien spending way less time describing the environments etc. than he does in The Lord of the Rings. Secondly, people forget the similarities between The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings in terms of plot beats. Both stories start with a party in the Shire, a hobbit being whisked on an adventure, getting into trouble prior to getting some reprieve in Rivendell, trying to cross over the Misty Mountains, being forced to navigate under the mountains instead, escaping orcs, winding up with the elves in a forest realm, making their way down a river, ... That's the end of The Fellowship of the Ring, both for the book AND the film. The Hobbit follows all those beats, but continues on from there. The Dwarves travel to Esgaroth, from there to Erebor, Bilbo encounters Smaug, Smaug dies, the Battle of the Five Armies ensues, and Bilbo makes his way home. Including what are basically all the plot beats of Fellowship and all of the above in one single film just wouldn't be feasible. Moreover, in certain respects, The Hobbit films HAD to delve deeper than the book. In the book, Gandalf wanders off every now and then, basically whenever having a wizard around would have been too convenient for the plot. While this works for a children's book, Tolkien later (retroactively) explained these disappearances in the Appendices to The Lord of the Rings, to tie both books together into an overall narrative. Including this in an adaptation of The Hobbit, intended to tie into The Lord of the Rings trilogy was unavoidable. So while I fully agree they should never have turned The Hobbit into a trilogy, I cannot agree that one book equals one film in this case. They should have stuck with two films, as was the original plan.
I remember avoiding the Hobbit movies, not because of it being a trilogy, but because of the romance between the elf and the dwarf which was not in Tolkien's books. My mother encouraged me to watch the movies anyway, saying if I could get over that, the movies were enjoyable. One thing I really enjoyed about the movies was Thorin's madness, or dragon-sickness. Tolkien's dragons are always greedy, lying on vast treasures, never having any appreciation or love for any bit of it, but only knowing its market value. When I re-read the book, I focused on the idea of dragon-sickness when I got to that part. Tolkien does talk about it, but I think sometimes ideas are lost somewhat in translation----as they say, America and Britain, two countries divided by a common language.
Funny how many times nerdrotic admits he still watches the hobbit films once a year as a guilty pleasure. I don't think they match 1-3, but i still enjoy a lot of them. As was said, Smaug was well done. Idc i liked seeing legolas Thorin losing his mind, Bilbo getting the ring. They do have issues, but they're watchable and let's be honest, none of them did bad at the box office and they have plenty of positive reviews
2 hobbit films + 1 Gandalf film was a great idea, wish they didn't pitch it. At the end of the day, the book is still 10 hour read and we all know that even normal sized books like that always struggle to fit in 120 minutes, short stories are the only ones that comfortably adapt well to the silver screen. Amazing opportunity to flesh out on the dwarfs characters too
The problem with The Hobbit is that they had no sense of danger. The Dwarves could fall down massive hills and cliffs with barely a scratch. It felt like there were no stakes.
Fortunately, they don't have the rights. I wouldn't trust anyone to adapt Beren and Luthien, not even Jackson. That tale is sacred ground and should be left on the page.
The craziest thing is if wb wanted to make new films based on characters in lotr, literally ANY other character would be better. Elrond - no one's favorite character but in his thousands of years lifespan had experienced and traveled so much and fought in so many epic battles. Or Glorfindel, Theoden, Arwen, Saruman, literally anyone would be better movie.
John Wick worked because the movies had a budget that meant it didn't have to make a billion dollars. It was a movie made for its niche with a budget that matched. The Lord of the Rings trilogy found mass appeal but the Hobbit didn't. This movie will most likely appeal to a smaller set of people but most likely will be budgeted like everyone wants it. And a good number of Tolkien fans don't even want it at this point.
The Hobbit was very successful financially it just did not have the love of lord of the rings but with the current sad state of cinema we may start to look back at them different.
@Rotom0479 Sure it could be good. But I could also find a gold bar on the street. Some things just aren't happening even if they are theoretically possible.
No, please no. The most bizarre part besides this shared custody of Lord of the Rings between Warner and Amazon is that there are several ages! Several characters! Several stories that deserved to be adapted, really great material! And making a Gollum movie, it's the equivalent of having all the Justice League characters that can be chosen, and you choose Jimmy Olsen as your protagonist.
@@Art-is-craft You know literally nothing about Tolkien. As far as he was concerned those were merely side stories compared to what he considered to be his true work, which is what would become The Silmarillion.
George RR Martin wishes he was Tolkien. Though to be fair, he also wishes he was Brandon Sanderson, Brent Weeks and any number of other fantasy authors.
I mean, sure it's only two pages and it's mostly Aragorn describing how bad Gollum smells... but HOW did Gollum get to be that smelly, huh? I'm sure we can milk at least a couple movies exploring that!
How are they not making a young Aragorn movie. Literally fought alongside both Theoden and Denethor's fathers for years. Also travelled to Harad. So much potential there.
I'd rather have nothing. 0 faith in any studio or producer. Sure, the LOTR trilogy was awesome but then we got Th Hobbit from PJ. And no, I'm not giving it a pass because "Rings of Power + Prejudice" was utter trash! (Sorry to all trash out there! I know it's not fair to compare you to it!)
@@sameehkins5957 how the fuck do you know? Tom shouldn’t be expanded upon. He is mysterious and cool and should stay like that. You really think they would be able to give a satisfying answer to actually what he is and why he is when studios couldn’t even get the forging of the rings correctly? It’s like trying to explain jokers origin, it makes the character less interesting and compelling.
“Where are the Tolkeins of today?” He was the product of a world war. We have not experienced pain on that scale in 80 years. Hard times produce epic pieces of art. That’s the only way
I'm still amazed that Amazon managed to make the writing/story for SHADOW OF WAR look good by comparison. (Don't get me wrong those games were fun but well written they were not.)
It's literally the Snowpiercer problem: Either live a while as a hero realize when to stop, because if you're not careful enough you might live long enough to see yourself becoming the villain. It might very well happen to PJ, Fran and Philippa. And with a setting around the hunt for Gollum, which is literally only mentioned by Gandalf at Elrond's council in like 3-5 pages if even, this is probably bound to be a clusterf*ck.
They literally could have done a movie based on the Appendices if they want to milk this franchise: it would be almost impossible but at least you have something to go off (plus it could compete directly with Amazon). But no, it has to be the f-ing hunt for Gollum that is 1 paragraph long 🤡.
Tolkien’s? There is none as western culture is at an all time low in the modern world (enlightenment period). There is no creativity only follow the leader.
I can think of one potential mega-blockbuster series of films off the top of my head. If done right, it would make billions. Great adaptations of the Sprawl series by William Gibson: Neuromancer, Burning Chrome, Count Zero, Mona Lisa Overdrive. They are part of the core of novels that kick-started the modern Cyberpunk genre.
There simply are none to be made that are of worth. Fantasy as a genre is junk. Beyond Tolkien and GRR Martin the standards are very low and trashy. They all are dark lords and kitchen boys who become king or worse again some story of degeneracy.
R. A. Salvatore's Dark Elf books would be awesome fantasy to adapt to the screen. No idea why no one's done that. Those books have been around for decades.
As far as a great trilogy that was shelved would be the War of the Lance (Dragonlance). There are many great stories that writers have come out with since Tolkien, but the IPs get bought up and then sat on... it is really sad.
Why would anyone think this was a good idea for a popular movie? Not only is the proposed subject not appealing, but MauLer is right about how moviemakers have stumbled when they tried to overextend to where there wasn’t enough source material, for example with The Hobbit and Game of Thrones.
[UK] Oh wow! Incarnations of Immortality and The Chronicles Thomas Covenant books - long time since I've heard those mentioned. In particular I remember reading the 'Chronicles' while on Army exercises (US: 'manoeuvres'). No need for a bookmark while living in a muddy hole in the ground - it was always easy to see where I was by the different (dirty) colour of the pages I'd handled.
I'd love to see a good film/TV version of the Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, even if they have to rewrite a certain scene early in the first book. I'm very much not holding my breath, though. I just don't think it's the sort of story your average audience wants to watch.
I think likely the reason why a lot of the other fanstasy stuff hasn't been adapted is: 1. The creators don't want it to get the Hollywood treatment 2. In this current climitee of Hollywood, they are unable to adapt something without putting in their own BS Hasbro is sat upon a potenital gold mine with Dungeons & Dragons, as that world is vast, but the egos of those in charge, is getting in the way, you don't need to spend tons of money to make a fanstasy movie, keep it low budget and just tell a good story, say someone's quest for revenge, say they are left for dead in a dungeon, they actually surive and become stronger and then seek out those who betrayed them to get revenge, while showing the betrayers, finding out that, the person they betrayed was actually the key to their sucess! Disney these days is creative bankcrupt, they are leaning heavily upon Marvel and the remakes of their classic movies instead of trying to find other stories to adapt, sure sequels can make money, if done right, but when it becomes a crotch to lean upon, then you know that you messed up, of course, Disney has chased off their actual talent in resent years when it comes to animation but they have grown stale when it comes to animation, pretty much Hollywood in general, has reached its peak and now just coasting upon fumes until the next generation of creatives get in, if they are even let in, then again, a lot of creatives could simply be appearing on the Internet doing their own low budget thing without the need of Hollywood! While I think Hollywood will be around for centuries to come, but for them to get back to being creative, they need to be more competive and not in lock step with one another
I can’t believe there is a significant amount of people interested in Gollum’s story outside what has already been told. What an odd part of the IP to gamble on.
The problem with the Hobbit trilogy wasn't really del Toro _or_ Jackson, it was the studio insisting that the only way it was getting made was as a trilogy.
@@NZealand So you're saying the studio *DIDN'T* take one look at the estimated budget for making a Hobbit movie and demand that it be expanded into a trilogy instead, to hopefully get triple the box office receipts?
It wasn't Jackson or Del Torro's fault that the Hobbit was stretched into 3 movies. Both wanted two movies. The studio forced Jackson to write 3 movies, and didn't give him enough time to develop the script. They wanted as much money as possible. If Jackson is writing this new movie, alongside his wife, then we may have a great movie, as long as they are given freedom, and time to write it properly.
@@trevorthornley8835 I don't think they are bad either, I think they are fantastic, with the exception of the Battle of the Five Armies, which is average. But their opinions aren't as acclaimed as the others.
@@GreenFalcon926 was it ever going to be as good? The Lord of the Rings is a far more emotional, thematically richer story. The Hobbit is a light hearted, small scale adventure. Have you seen the Tolkien cut? That's what the movies should have been.
@@trevorthornley8835 No, they were never going to be better movies. The people who bashed the Hobbit had their hopes too high. Because the original 3 movies were so good, people expected the same thing. That's a them problem. And yes, I've seen the Tolkien cut. It's amazing.
Some misconceptions here. The idea of making Hobbit movies from 2 films to 3 films was entirely Jackson's idea. Jackson said in an (Exeter College) video interview (which you can search up) that he had to fly over the studio execs to persuade them to make it 3 movies. When Del Toro was in charge, it was always meant to be 2 movies. When Jackson took over it was still 2 movies initially, then Jackson got the 'clever' idea of making it 3 movies mid way through production. Also, another flaw of Hobbit movies that people blame on the studio is the love triangle. This is actually Phillipa Boyens fault (one of the writers of Hobbit and LoTR movies). Phillipa Boyens was the reason why there is a love triangle in the Hobbit. She said "we" wanted Legolas to be heart broken in a Dwarf related love triangle because then it would give him reason to hate Gimli in LOTR (Once again, she says this in an interview). So guys, don't automatically blame things on the studio when its clear that some mistakes were Jackson's fault. You could see inklings of weird directorial choices in LOTR movies that Tolkien would consider an insult (e.g depicting Frodo only as a weakling and showing no other side to him). Luckily most of LOTR movies were good so the flaws werent that obvious. You could see even more signs of Jackson's incompetence in Hobbit movies (by making silly choices as described at the begining of this comment, and also Alfrid - the Jar Jar binks of Hobbit). The Hobbit movies werent that good, so most of the flaws became much more obvious. Sadly people blame the flaws on the studio when a lot of it (not all) was Jackson's and crew's fault.
There still plenty of older series of books that could use a good movie/tv adaptation. Some that come to mind: Fantasy - Magician, The Wizards and the Warriors, Pawn of Prophecy,. Scifi - Saga of the Seven Suns, Polity, Old Mans War, Mars Trilogy, Dragonriders of Pern, Amtrac Wars, Eon, Rendezvous With Rama, any of Peter F Hamiltons stories, to name a few.
I was skeptical about this too, but I did a bit of research, and it seems like from various different sources, be it unfinished tales, the books appendices, and flash backs told from Gandalf’s perspective, Gollum’s whole life between Hobbit and Lord of the Rings can be accounted for and I think there is enough to make a film. After he lost the ring to Bilbo, he took about a month to leave the misty mountains as he feared the daylight. But when he finally left, Bilbo was long gone. But he picked up the trail through Mirkwood and into Dale. He only knew a name, but it was in Dale that he managed to find out that Bilbo was from the Shire. He returned through Mirkwood looking for the shire, but since he didn’t know where it was, he turned south towards Mordor instead. Here he encountered Shelob for the first time as he entered Mordor and Cirith Ungol. It was at this time that Gandalf first became suspicious that Gollum had the one ring and so he send as Aragorn to find Gollum. This film is obviously going to take 2 perspectives, one from Gollum and one from Aragon searching for Gollum. So this part of the movie, I’m less sure about. I read about Gollum, not Aragorn, so I don’t know what Aragorn was up to. But hopefully enough to fill out this movie. Maybe we could meet Arwen, or Elrond’s sons, Elledan and Elrohir who were in the LotR books but not the movies. Anyway, Aragorn is too late and Sauron finds Gollum first. Enter scenes of Barad dur being rebuilt, Saurons army being recreated and Gollum being tortured. When Gollum is finally released he escapes Mordor but is finally caught by Aragorn who takes him back to Mirkwood. Here he is interrogated by Gandalf. Also in Mirkwood, we can get what would be the main battle. Because Gollum escapes Mirkwood in the chaos of Sauron’s forces in Dol Guldur attacking Mirkwood. This is one of the front of the War of the Ring which is ignored in the films. So this would be an epic scene I think. Gollum escapes and seeks shelter in the Mines of Moria. This is where he finds the fellowship and realises that the ring is close. And then depending where they want to end this film, they could either end it in Moria with him vowing to get the ring back, or maybe even follow him as he follows the fellowship right up until he comes into contact with Frodo and Sam. But either way, I think there is enough potential there. It could be a good way of intertwining lots of smaller stories. We not only follow Gollum, but we could get the young Aragorn story mixed in which they wanted to make presumably. We could get the war in Mirkwood which would explain why Legolas’ people didn’t appear in the films. We could get a fair bit. So long as they can organically merge these stories, I see no reason why it couldn’t work. Also, this could bring back a lot of old faces as well as introducing some new ones. Like I’ve already said, we could get Gandalf, Aragorn, Arwen and Shelob but also Thranduil, Legolas, Galadriel and maybe even the Witch King. Plus, we could get an introduction to Elrohir and Elladan, maybe Glorfindel, and in what is a real stretch, but one I hope we get, I’d love to see a War in the North film exploring the battles between the Easterlings vs Erebor and Dale. If Gollum does travel to Dale in this film, perhaps they could introduce key players in the War in the north to connect to that story. Maybe Brand or Bard II. There is such a lot of potential I believe. Far more than Rings of Power. Afterall, Tolkien said the second age was not worth talking about. That’s why Rings of Power decided they could do better and write their own stories. But Jackson and Serkis and team chose a seemingly less significant story, but one which Tolkien has actually written a fair amount about. Gollum between stories. Aragorn as a ranger. The war in Mirkwood. Maybe even some background on the fall of Balin in Moria. It’s all possible. All based around the travels of Gollum. I really think this could be a good way to flesh out this world a bit more and I’m here for it. Also bring on War in the North film. I really want to see Dain take on Easterlings. That would be so cool.
They did the same thing with the Hobbit trilogy. They promised that we'd see major parts of the history of Middle Earth in the Silmarillion and the Appendices. Instead we got Azog the Pink and Tauriel.
Larry Niven’s Ringworld series, Moorcock’s Elric or Corum or Runestaff series, Fritz Leiber’s Fafrhd & the Grey Mouser series… the options for awesome IP’s are endless!
As someone who graduated (workman) Film School in 2005, I genuinely hate the notion that modern aspiring filmmakers lack creativity or any unique artistic direction - the problem is that we graduated right at the time of peak-nepotism, entering the era where pure creativity is not encouraged, the needs to cater to the 'mindless masses' taking precedence over anything creative or original. Some of us haven't actually gone into the industry of making something unique, while others who have attempted have been swatted down, told that their creative visions will only alienate viewers..... It's a sad time for entertainment, not because the creative minds involved are lacking in creativity, but because those who concentrate on catering to the mindless masses will always win.
All I can hear in my head is Mel Brooks: "Spaceballs 2: The search for more money!"
lmfao
The Precious cash, we wants it
Dont forget Spaceballs 3: The search for Spaceballs 2
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Merchandising!
3 part trilogy: Golum begins. The Dark Hobbit. Golum rises
Don't forget Gollum v Wizardman, and The Gollum. And read the new comic series, The Brave and the Sneaky.
Actually, the first one should titled Smeagol. 😆😆
Gollum survives the volcano but is horribly mutilated so he has to wear a Darth Vader suit.
Sounds ok actually 😊
Episode titles: "LOTR: MY PRECIOUS Part 1", "LOTR: MY PRECIOUS Part 2", "LOTR: MY PRECIOUS Part 3"
It seems to me the story of Aragorn would have been way better. Dude was like 90 years old by LotR. Gollum's story was literally already told... kills his bud, eats babies, exiled to the cave, Bilbo finds the ring, Gollum searches for it, gets captured by Mordor, tortured, gives up the name Baggins. Let go, then later he tracks down the fellowship... then has a nice lunch with Frodo and Sam, then does a backflip into a volcano.
Absolutely, plus there's so many other stories that could be good. Maybe a show about the Haradrim and why they hated Gonder etc. Tons of other unexplored areas.
😂😂😂😂😂.
@@Lordeightbane Child...
I have no faith any story made today would not completely trash the characters and the world it is set in
Woah did you read a leak of the script? lol
Tolkien wrote exhaustive backstories for almost every part of the LOTR story.
And even he didn’t think the hunt for gollum was worth elaborating on.
He did though - in the appendices of LOTR.
@@jessejames3660 Yes - the appendices are at the end of The Return of the King book, right after the last chapter.
COMPLETELY WRONG. There is about a 10 page appendix in ROTK regarding the Hunt for Gollum, which is enough material to vaguely warrant a loosely canon movie about it.
He did.
Feels like Wormtongue is just somewhere on the board of directors “yes my CEO they loved the gollum game, let’s make another”
Wormtongue would fit perfectly as a sleazy excecutive
Sweet Baby Inc. need to change their name to Wormtongue
That is a lie...
Be careful. They might greenlight a Wormtongue origin movie. Brad Doriff needs work.
@@fishjones4618that’s something I’d actually support. We can make it an isekai, where wormtongue gets transported to our modern day real life. He works his way up the corporate ladder. I’d watch that.
Money doesn't launder itself 🤷🏻♂️
Nobody's going to want a Gollum movie, just like nobody wanted a Gollum game.
I felt the Gollum video game should have told all we ever needed to know about Gollum, when it was announced... then the reviews came through... haha
I dunno, many previous Gollum movies were pretty big hits: Mamma Mia, Ted 2...
Hey a Sméagol game had a ton of potential especially for a stealth/strategy type play.
@@mikewaterfield3599stealth/survival would have been interesting
It's about Quality the Gollum game was shit so nobody wanted it if a product is good though then people will watch be it Gollum or not.
There's a Gollum fan film, that was made 15 years ago and was until today, available on youtube to watch for free.
Guess what?
WB hit this fan made, non commercial movie, with a copyright strike today and youtube took it down.
UPDATE: After people protesting they took back the copyright claim, the fanmade movie is back.
This needs to be SHOUTED more loudly! And they're going to make a worse product than that lovingly made fanfilm
I wish I'd known that. If it was made by a fan, it might have been worth a peek.
@@Allie-w1l UPDATE: After people protesting they took back the copyright claim, the fanmade movie is back.
@@doublep1980 Thank you. I'm going to check it out.
Good! It was a fantastic fan film. They did amazing work with what they had
Hollywood is completely out of ideas
Creatively bankrupt
Their favourite idea is beating a dead horse. And who knows what else those freaks do to it...
@Rotom0479 Yes they are using the in-depth analysis you used.
Gollum...his own movie? Really? Why? Could you not find a single solitary character from LOTR that people are clamoring LESS for?
No, they have plenty of ideas. They're just all bad ideas...
Pippin: What about Hunt for Gollum?
Aragorn: You already had it. One existed in 2009.
Pippin: We had one, yes. What about another Hunt for Gollum?
Aragorn: 🤨 🍎
Genius 😂
I was living in NZ in 2009 and I remember that fan version coming out.
“Second” hunt for gollum, you mean
As long as there are long slow motion shots of farming in there, I'm sold.
Rebel of the Moons: the Two Fields? I'm in.
With it focusing on Gollum it will be slow motion 'fish smashing against a rock' now in 3D Imax.
@@GLJosh So, a potato-less feature film? Whoa! Unexpected!
Gollum farming taters and fish. Forgetting the taste of bread.
And show grains. Lots and lots of *GRAINS*
So they're going to make a film about a single page in the Fellowship of the Ring. They should have made a film about in the book when Gimli promised Legolas that after the ring is destroyed he would take him on a grand tour of the Mines of Moria and explain the entire hidden history of the Dwarfs.
I remember that. That would be sweet. Think back there's probably a million other little asides that would be better than the search for gollum, Serkis' masterful performance aside. Basically the ending of that story is the start of the real story
They'll probably make 3 films about that single page, not one
I want five films about the thinking fox that appears at the beginning of the fotr.
It was actually Helm’s Deep. Legolas also made him explore Fangorn Forest in exchange.
It's not exactly a single page as it is elaborated on a little bit in the appendices so it's more like 2.5-3 pages. 😆
The problem with any modern adaptation of Tolkiens works, outside of making crap up, is that they will never respect the fact that these books are representative of Celtic, Gaelic, and Anglo Saxon culture, that they were written to represent the peoples of the British Isles, so they will ignore all of that, arropriate our culture, and make the cast "diverse". It it were an original work like Warcraft, Harry Potter, e.t.c then I would have zero issues with a diverse cast in a fantasy setting, but this is Tolkien and his work was written as a replacement for the myths, stories, and legends that were lost in this country due to various invasions, it was written to represent us. But of course, im sure saying that makes me racist to these people.
Very true.
Peter Jackson is the only person who successfully adapted his work
@Rotom0479 Holding it back from what? More god-awful "modern audience" adaptations and mediocre writers trying to "fix the stories" by inserting their politics?
Or do you mean that trying to keep LOTR tied to its roots is holding it back from being properly milked to death by corporate suits? You'd convince me with that one.
No, it makes you the least racist....to the sane.
@Rotom0479
Stop! No one is suggesting it be grounded in reality. You're either purposely misrepresenting the point or dumb.
Drinker: There is apparently a new Lord of the Rings movie in the works.
Me:🤦♂️
Gandalf: "I looked everywhere for the creature gollum, but the enemy found him first" - There, just saved Warner Brothers $150m and the audiance a $15 movie ticket. Seriously though, there is already The Hunt for Gollum fan movie that cost only $5,000 , I dont know why we need a big budget version of a very small side quest.
And now they've shut down that fan movie, those SOBs.
Studio just copyright struck the fan film. Its gone.
I watched it maybe a decade ago. I guaranteed it was better than whatever the studio is going to put out.
Hollywood execs are broke and coke ain't cheap.
@@rhelerinnon5553 Hopefully someone downloaded it back then and can reupload it to another platform and then grace us all with the link.
@@rhelerinnon5553 Dude that fan movie opened up literally as recommendation in my right hand column for this feed. Opened it and works fine in YT. Should I download it before it gets shut down in my country too?
I know EXACTLY why this is the story they chose to do! In the books Aragorn describes his hunt for Gollum as taking him "far to the south where the stars are strange" meaning the southern hemisphere, namely Harad. Harad was more or less Tolkien's equivalent to Africa. They are doing this story so they can show middle earth as diverse...
oh no 🤣
"My Precious... money." - WB
JKR single-handedly managad to get a whole generation of children to start reading books -- I have a clear memory of an 8-9 year old girl walking about town with the massive Order of the Phoenix hardback hundreds of pagers long tucked under her arm ; and then they made the movies, and the immediate next generation abandoned the books, abandoned reading, and then abandoned JKR.
Those children that read the books were the offspring of a 1960s and 70s up brining. Gen Z is of a generation in between that. Their parents lacked a cultural identity. The younger Gen Z are completely different with their parents being millennials and will be similar to their parents in some ways but radically different in other ways.
I read all of those books. The third one is the best, and all of them after that are complete shit. Especially The Order of the Phoenix.
I have a bad feeling about this, Mr. Frodo.
Same here
It will be directed by Gollum himself.
"Somehow, Sauron returned."
the frodo show
If Baldur’s Gate 3 and FNAF are any indication, the stories of today are happening in gaming.
The Angmar War - Fall of Arnor, make that into a trilogy with the right people and money will come.
With the Witch-King as the villain and the forging of the sword that will one day kill him as an Easter egg for the fans…you could make a decent one-season series out of it. If anyone were actually up to making decent series out of such things.
Between werewolves and dragons, you could take virtually any part of Tolkien's legendarium and make a good movie out of it. The problem is the lack of name-value. Gollum is an established and well-known character (probably the best known character, as far as the movies go).
I would LOVE to see a movie where Numenor literally WAGES WAR ON HEAVEN. Talk about an epic battle!
"Not you Boyens."
The legend of Beren and Luthien? The Fall of Gondolin? Only two "events" in Tolkien´s books with enormous potential.
This feels like an Andy Serkis vanity project
That's too bad. I loved him in Andor.
I mean…he kind of deserves it.
RUclips had a pretty decent movie called 'The Hunt for Gollum' at about 40 minutes it was pretty solid. It has since been blocked due copyright grounds.
Interestingly, I was thinking that the premise might make a 40 min movie
@@PeregrinTintenfish They'll make it into three 40 min movies.
The backstory for Smeagol at the beginning of Return of the King was all the Gollum we needed.
and to everyone saying "oh but its Peter Jackson and the screenwriters of LOTR, so it might be good" well they were also the ones who made the Hobbit films and see how bad those turned out.
With MASSIVE studio pressure.
@@adriandenton6637Literally zero studio interference. Despite what the Jackson fanboys will tell you (ie invent).
Everything people dislike is a result of Jackson and his team. 3 films? Guess who pitched that? Jackson. Because two apparently wasn't enough (because he was filming too much shite). Jackson took over from Del Toro as director? Sure... ignoring the fact that Jackson was working WITH Del Toro from the beginning, in the writer's room (ie, Tauriel was conceptualised as a team). Etc, etc.
The Gollum movie should be focused on his exploits after losing the ring the problem is that the studio may not have those rights.
Maybe you should educate yourself about the production of the hobbit movies before making stupid comments like this.
@@TheMinecraftHypeWhy are you lying?
"Because of MONEY! That's why, Drinker!" - I hear you say.
It s so ironic because they won t make money 😅
This isn't just about the money...
This is about a shit-load of money!
@@Uzarran Oh, you're right. And when you're right, you're right. And you? You're always right.
It has nothing to do with money.
I read the title, went "Why?"
And then I clicked on the video and saw the "... Why?" which had me in a good chuckle
I will never get over the bastardization of The Wheel of Time.
Until they jangle a Padan Fain prequel movie in your face that will totes be in line with the books trust me bro™.
Yeah, that one still hurts.
I was always smart enough to know it could never be adapted faithfully. And they didn't even try.
I was so hopeful after the first episode. That shit fell off a cliff quick.
@@Jaggith that first episode sure did warn us though. Hey, Perrin is married and Mat is a dirty thief, surely they wont make any other changes. At least Rand will be cool, right?.....Right?
I.P. Mining (good phrase). "Take that thing people liked and recycle it".
The Hunt for Red Gollum: One Ring Only.
October Gollum.
The Assassination of Smegol by the Coward Gollum
Reminds me of the heady days of Smaug, and Bilbo Baggins. When the world trembled at our trilogy. Only this time, it will tremble at the low box office scores.
Onlyrings
I see what you did there...
The Little Platoon had it perfectly: Look what they did to The Rings of Power, The Wheel of Time and The Witcher - don't let those same hacks at Elric or The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant. There is no way that they could produce anything worthwhile with a protagonist as complex as either of those.
Oh yeah, because the Gollum game was *soooo* good lol
It's not a movie of the Gollum game. It's a movie based on events in the greater Middle-earth canon.
I think we should give it a chance cause I want to see the scene where he holds to that waterwheel thing with bad physics and his arms go all wonky in IMAX.
@earlofdoncaster5018 well that sounds less appealing lol
Different medium
@@sol-hunter2332 I think fans of the LotR (not Hobbit) movies will welcome the chance to return to Middle-earth.
“What can we do now?” Go to a bookshop or a library! There are so many books (and writers)!
Lord of Ring: Hunt for Gollum (what could possibly go wrong)
I suspect it's because so many people said, "The best thing about The Hobbit movies was Gollum." and took that as a cry out for more instead of an insult to those films.
Why? Because "Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.” - JRR Tolkien
Talking about himself then.
I mean...that quote is pretty dumb. Evil has created a lot of things in the world. Hans Geiger made the Geiger Counter...he was very Pro-Austrian Painter.
The hunt for Gollum: this time it’s personal
To quote from Mario: I have a question for God, Why!
Because Hollywood only cares about money
To quote Les Grossman: "...and lots of money...Player ?..."
There is a very good little Indie movie called ''The Hunt for Gollum'' available to watch online right now. Looks like Warner Bros are just ripping it.
THE HUNT FOR GOLLUM
" We need to find gollum "
" Oh look he's following the fellowship, let's wait here "
" Gollum has been captured "
THE END
Aragorn’s hunt for Gollum happens before the Fellowship is formed.
There is already a fanfilm "Hunt for Gollum" and it's pretty good. ruclips.net/video/DVZg3S24srM/видео.html
Trilogy confirmed, thanks for the working titles! 😁
@@Michael_1138 think you missed the point
? There's a lot that happened when Aragorn and Gandalf were searching for Gollum before he was captured by Sauron. You know, in the source material.
I agree with Robert… we need New Stories
With the untapped stories around the world it’s almost immeasurable, but no one in Hollywood is game enough for fresh new/old stories that haven’t been seen on screen.
We know Gollum's story. What's the mystery?
Gollum is a great side character. He works well in this role in the Shadow of Mordor video game, too.
Jack Sparrow is a great side character in Pirates of the Caribbean. It doesn't work when you take a character like that and make them the central focus. You just end up with Dead Men Tell No Tales.
There is an untold story there in between the Hobbit and the two towers.
@@Art-is-craftNot really. It amounts mainly to "captured by orcs, tortured in the Depths of Mt Doom"
@@justinlast2lastharder749
It is ripe for Rings of Power plundering.
side character? he is the most essential character. without gollum, frodo would have never given up the ring. you have no understanding of the story clearly
@@baokachi9767 Frodo didn't give up the ring. Gollum is essential to the destruction of the ring, but he's barely even in the first film, so much so that he wasn't even cast at the time of filming. He is a shapeshifter, who joins the main characters, appearing as both ally and enemy and we don't know which. You didn't even make your point without referring to a main character when commenting about Gollum. You are the one with no understanding of the story.
There's a nice parallel here - in the Silmarillion Morgoth could not make new life, only corrupt existing life forms into a mockery of what exists. Disney-Lucasfilm is basically Morgoth
I can't wait to see "Titanic 2: Jack Sneaks On Board." It's gonna be epic!!!
12:10 John Carter was a missed opportunity. The film was actually pretty good, but Disney dropped it so it could pursue Star Wars. Look how that went.
It could be worse: they could have introduced the concept of multiverse in the Lord of the Rings lore.
*QUIET YOU FOOL THEY'LL HEAR YOU!*
The night is young!
jeff bezos: * heavy panting *
Hobbit X: Rings of Future Past
They did with Rings of Power. That's an alternate universe to the LOTR movies, as far as many people are concerned.
Gollum is a popular character because of his contrast with Bilbo, and then Frodo. Elevating him to lead character status is the storytelling equivalent of walking off a cliff.
While I agree that three films was overkill, I still disagree with the assessment that The Hobbit should have been adapted into a single film.
One of the first things people seem to forget is that The Hobbit was written as a children's book, which means a lot more happens on far fewer pages, with Tolkien spending way less time describing the environments etc. than he does in The Lord of the Rings.
Secondly, people forget the similarities between The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings in terms of plot beats. Both stories start with a party in the Shire, a hobbit being whisked on an adventure, getting into trouble prior to getting some reprieve in Rivendell, trying to cross over the Misty Mountains, being forced to navigate under the mountains instead, escaping orcs, winding up with the elves in a forest realm, making their way down a river, ... That's the end of The Fellowship of the Ring, both for the book AND the film. The Hobbit follows all those beats, but continues on from there. The Dwarves travel to Esgaroth, from there to Erebor, Bilbo encounters Smaug, Smaug dies, the Battle of the Five Armies ensues, and Bilbo makes his way home. Including what are basically all the plot beats of Fellowship and all of the above in one single film just wouldn't be feasible.
Moreover, in certain respects, The Hobbit films HAD to delve deeper than the book. In the book, Gandalf wanders off every now and then, basically whenever having a wizard around would have been too convenient for the plot. While this works for a children's book, Tolkien later (retroactively) explained these disappearances in the Appendices to The Lord of the Rings, to tie both books together into an overall narrative. Including this in an adaptation of The Hobbit, intended to tie into The Lord of the Rings trilogy was unavoidable.
So while I fully agree they should never have turned The Hobbit into a trilogy, I cannot agree that one book equals one film in this case. They should have stuck with two films, as was the original plan.
I remember avoiding the Hobbit movies, not because of it being a trilogy, but because of the romance between the elf and the dwarf which was not in Tolkien's books. My mother encouraged me to watch the movies anyway, saying if I could get over that, the movies were enjoyable.
One thing I really enjoyed about the movies was Thorin's madness, or dragon-sickness. Tolkien's dragons are always greedy, lying on vast treasures, never having any appreciation or love for any bit of it, but only knowing its market value.
When I re-read the book, I focused on the idea of dragon-sickness when I got to that part. Tolkien does talk about it, but I think sometimes ideas are lost somewhat in translation----as they say, America and Britain, two countries divided by a common language.
Funny how many times nerdrotic admits he still watches the hobbit films once a year as a guilty pleasure.
I don't think they match 1-3, but i still enjoy a lot of them. As was said, Smaug was well done. Idc i liked seeing legolas
Thorin losing his mind, Bilbo getting the ring. They do have issues, but they're watchable and let's be honest, none of them did bad at the box office and they have plenty of positive reviews
2 hobbit films + 1 Gandalf film was a great idea, wish they didn't pitch it. At the end of the day, the book is still 10 hour read and we all know that even normal sized books like that always struggle to fit in 120 minutes, short stories are the only ones that comfortably adapt well to the silver screen. Amazing opportunity to flesh out on the dwarfs characters too
Now this I do agree with!
The problem with The Hobbit is that they had no sense of danger. The Dwarves could fall down massive hills and cliffs with barely a scratch. It felt like there were no stakes.
And after this, I can't wait for the trilogy of Bill the Pony and his voyage back to Bree.
OMG. I think I'd watch that!
"So! You have a totally unnecessary origin movie that no one asked for of a Lord of the Ring side character for me?"
"Yes sir I do!"
i look forward to it.
Wow.. wow.. wow!
@@quailstudios Wow!
Hell yeah
Three part extended Edition trilogy films about side characters are tight
The War in the North vs. the witch king would be a MUCH better story/source for a movie
Lord of the Rings 4: The Quest for More Money. thank you Mel Brooks for preparing me for this day.
there was a short film with this idea. Warner claimed it today
Why not just make a film of the Fall on Gondolin or Beren and Luthien.
They don't have the rights to do 1st age stuff. They can only do 3rd age stories.
Fortunately, they don't have the rights. I wouldn't trust anyone to adapt Beren and Luthien, not even Jackson. That tale is sacred ground and should be left on the page.
In fact, the movie will actually be: "The Hunt for a Paying Audience".
Did they take down the fan film after the announcement?
Another cash grab incoming.
I wouldn't be surprised if they did
"Hm,this fan film that's been up on youtube for 15 years is violating our copyright rules,take it down"
They cpyright struck on youtube
Wow they violated copyright in the future.
The craziest thing is if wb wanted to make new films based on characters in lotr, literally ANY other character would be better. Elrond - no one's favorite character but in his thousands of years lifespan had experienced and traveled so much and fought in so many epic battles. Or Glorfindel, Theoden, Arwen, Saruman, literally anyone would be better movie.
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I got a dollar that says they're gonna stretch this movie into three parts.
In it Gollum rescues a bunch of people from orcs and slays a dragon after that.
I'll raise you another dollar, to say, that the movie will never get made.
Or a series! 😵💫
John Wick worked because the movies had a budget that meant it didn't have to make a billion dollars. It was a movie made for its niche with a budget that matched. The Lord of the Rings trilogy found mass appeal but the Hobbit didn't. This movie will most likely appeal to a smaller set of people but most likely will be budgeted like everyone wants it. And a good number of Tolkien fans don't even want it at this point.
The Hobbit was very successful financially it just did not have the love of lord of the rings but with the current sad state of cinema we may start to look back at them different.
A product born out of desperation
💯
@Rotom0479 Oh the innocence
And greed
@Rotom0479 Sure it could be good. But I could also find a gold bar on the street. Some things just aren't happening even if they are theoretically possible.
@@Al-ok6xm You a commie or something?
I'm looking forward to this just so I can watch the pitch meeting for it
I feel they should have called it quits after the Lotr trilogy.
And the Hobbit trilogy
Lol no. There are tons of stories that can be told in that universe. They just have to be told well…
@Rotom0479They’ll just lose money milking it and further alienate the fans.
@Rotom0479 There’s always a few who would watch it, no matter how bad it is.
Are you a Star Wars or Godfather film fan?
No, please no. The most bizarre part besides this shared custody of Lord of the Rings between Warner and Amazon is that there are several ages! Several characters! Several stories that deserved to be adapted, really great material!
And making a Gollum movie, it's the equivalent of having all the Justice League characters that can be chosen, and you choose Jimmy Olsen as your protagonist.
There are no stories beyond the Hobbit and Lord of the rings that deserve to be told.
@@Art-is-craft what do you care? Just shut up and don’t talk about it and don’t watch it when it comes out.
Who said it’s a gollum movie? The working title? You fell for that shit? Basic.
@@Art-is-craft You know literally nothing about Tolkien. As far as he was concerned those were merely side stories compared to what he considered to be his true work, which is what would become The Silmarillion.
George RR Martin wishes he was Tolkien. Though to be fair, he also wishes he was Brandon Sanderson, Brent Weeks and any number of other fantasy authors.
He also wishes he was Augustus Gloop.
@@pistonburner6448😂
@@pistonburner6448He basically is already.
I like Brandon, but he is not on the level of GRRM.
@@Hero_Of_Old GRRM has shit tier pacing and will never finish ASOIAF
“50 shades of precious: A Gollum Saga.”
"The Hunt for Gollum"?
Not "The Hunt for Money"?
Mistborn would make such a great film series.
I mean, sure it's only two pages and it's mostly Aragorn describing how bad Gollum smells... but HOW did Gollum get to be that smelly, huh? I'm sure we can milk at least a couple movies exploring that!
Moviegoers the world over have wondered what Smeagol smells like.
Who needs 3-D? Tell it live in Smellovision!
LOTR: Wormtongue 4: The Admonishing
Or "The Tongue-Lashing".
Can’t wait for Star Wars: Jar Jar’s adventure.
If they canonize Darth Jar Jar, it'll be the first Disney Star Wars product I'll legitimately be interested in.
@@EcardEcardian check out the Darth Jar Jar theory. It's awesome.
@@EcardEcardian yes. It's on RUclips
Darth Darth Binks aka The Phantom Menace is the story we need, but will sadly never receive.
They're doing like a Darth Jar Jar thing in like a "lego special "
How are they not making a young Aragorn movie. Literally fought alongside both Theoden and Denethor's fathers for years. Also travelled to Harad. So much potential there.
I'd rather have "The Adventures of Tom Bombadil"
no
I'd rather have nothing. 0 faith in any studio or producer. Sure, the LOTR trilogy was awesome but then we got Th Hobbit from PJ.
And no, I'm not giving it a pass because "Rings of Power + Prejudice" was utter trash! (Sorry to all trash out there! I know it's not fair to compare you to it!)
@@BLaacKj4cKKyou don't understand Tom bombadil, that is the only reason why
Don't let them defile jolly old Tom!
@@sameehkins5957 how the fuck do you know? Tom shouldn’t be expanded upon. He is mysterious and cool and should stay like that. You really think they would be able to give a satisfying answer to actually what he is and why he is when studios couldn’t even get the forging of the rings correctly? It’s like trying to explain jokers origin, it makes the character less interesting and compelling.
“Where are the Tolkeins of today?”
He was the product of a world war. We have not experienced pain on that scale in 80 years.
Hard times produce epic pieces of art. That’s the only way
I'm still amazed that Amazon managed to make the writing/story for SHADOW OF WAR look good by comparison.
(Don't get me wrong those games were fun but well written they were not.)
Amazon somehow managed to set a standard for bad adaptions that only Netflix could compete with.
It's literally the Snowpiercer problem: Either live a while as a hero realize when to stop, because if you're not careful enough you might live long enough to see yourself becoming the villain.
It might very well happen to PJ, Fran and Philippa. And with a setting around the hunt for Gollum, which is literally only mentioned by Gandalf at Elrond's council in like 3-5 pages if even, this is probably bound to be a clusterf*ck.
They literally could have done a movie based on the Appendices if they want to milk this franchise: it would be almost impossible but at least you have something to go off (plus it could compete directly with Amazon). But no, it has to be the f-ing hunt for Gollum that is 1 paragraph long 🤡.
@Rotom0479 are you insane?
@Rotom0479dude, with that argument you could say that nobody would have wanted the original Lord of the rings films either
@Rotom0479 No
Don't give them any ideas (6 films for Gollum)! Because next we'll have a Gollum prequel (his life before he became Gollum),....
Where are the Tolkiens of this time? Probably self publishing books onto Amazon for Kindle. Problem is not many people read anymore.
True. I used to read a novel or two every weekend. Now 95% of my reading is RUclips comments. Honestly. I think I'm going to do something about that.
Tolkien’s?
There is none as western culture is at an all time low in the modern world (enlightenment period). There is no creativity only follow the leader.
@@Allie-w1l I have a good number on my Kindle app, and a good number of softbacks I should read.
5:01 "Where are our new franchises?" Hear fucking hear!
I can think of one potential mega-blockbuster series of films off the top of my head. If done right, it would make billions.
Great adaptations of the Sprawl series by William Gibson:
Neuromancer, Burning Chrome, Count Zero, Mona Lisa Overdrive.
They are part of the core of novels that kick-started the modern Cyberpunk genre.
And lo! The world cried out as one: "WHY!?!"
There's fucking TONS of great fantasy shows they could make instead. Dragonriders of Pern by Anne McCaffrey would be awesome live action for instance.
It's surprising how little Anne McCaffery has been adapted, yeah
There simply are none to be made that are of worth. Fantasy as a genre is junk. Beyond Tolkien and GRR Martin the standards are very low and trashy. They all are dark lords and kitchen boys who become king or worse again some story of degeneracy.
R. A. Salvatore's Dark Elf books would be awesome fantasy to adapt to the screen. No idea why no one's done that. Those books have been around for decades.
As long as someone with talent and taste were to do so.
As far as a great trilogy that was shelved would be the War of the Lance (Dragonlance). There are many great stories that writers have come out with since Tolkien, but the IPs get bought up and then sat on... it is really sad.
Anything by Robin Hobb, or Brandon Sanderson, even Feist, and they are compete stories for the most part too..
Why would anyone think this was a good idea for a popular movie? Not only is the proposed subject not appealing, but MauLer is right about how moviemakers have stumbled when they tried to overextend to where there wasn’t enough source material, for example with The Hobbit and Game of Thrones.
It is a dying industry with cinema as a whole dying.
[UK] Oh wow! Incarnations of Immortality and The Chronicles Thomas Covenant books - long time since I've heard those mentioned.
In particular I remember reading the 'Chronicles' while on Army exercises (US: 'manoeuvres'). No need for a bookmark while living in a muddy hole in the ground - it was always easy to see where I was by the different (dirty) colour of the pages I'd handled.
I'd love to see a good film/TV version of the Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, even if they have to rewrite a certain scene early in the first book.
I'm very much not holding my breath, though. I just don't think it's the sort of story your average audience wants to watch.
Pure junk at best.
I think likely the reason why a lot of the other fanstasy stuff hasn't been adapted is:
1. The creators don't want it to get the Hollywood treatment
2. In this current climitee of Hollywood, they are unable to adapt something without putting in their own BS
Hasbro is sat upon a potenital gold mine with Dungeons & Dragons, as that world is vast, but the egos of those in charge, is getting in the way, you don't need to spend tons of money to make a fanstasy movie, keep it low budget and just tell a good story, say someone's quest for revenge, say they are left for dead in a dungeon, they actually surive and become stronger and then seek out those who betrayed them to get revenge, while showing the betrayers, finding out that, the person they betrayed was actually the key to their sucess! Disney these days is creative bankcrupt, they are leaning heavily upon Marvel and the remakes of their classic movies instead of trying to find other stories to adapt, sure sequels can make money, if done right, but when it becomes a crotch to lean upon, then you know that you messed up, of course, Disney has chased off their actual talent in resent years when it comes to animation but they have grown stale when it comes to animation, pretty much Hollywood in general, has reached its peak and now just coasting upon fumes until the next generation of creatives get in, if they are even let in, then again, a lot of creatives could simply be appearing on the Internet doing their own low budget thing without the need of Hollywood! While I think Hollywood will be around for centuries to come, but for them to get back to being creative, they need to be more competive and not in lock step with one another
They can't even make a proper warhammer 40k movie and the lore is both vast and rich with stories of all kinds
"A series about Cassian Andor? Why? Nobody asked for that. It's not necessary."
And it's still not.
A very well made series but not a real Star Wars show.
This movie could be done excellently in half an hour. A miniseries on shorter tales from Middle Earth could actually be really cool.
I can’t believe there is a significant amount of people interested in Gollum’s story outside what has already been told. What an odd part of the IP to gamble on.
I can’t believe there are people that think this could only be about Gollum.
The problem with the Hobbit trilogy wasn't really del Toro _or_ Jackson, it was the studio insisting that the only way it was getting made was as a trilogy.
That’s not true at all
@@NZealand So you're saying the studio *DIDN'T* take one look at the estimated budget for making a Hobbit movie and demand that it be expanded into a trilogy instead, to hopefully get triple the box office receipts?
@@Philistine47 yes that is what I’m saying. 3 movies was all Peter Jackson’s idea. Do proper research instead of assuming what you’d like to be true
@@Philistine47Literally all sources agree it was Jackson's idea. Even Jackson himself.
It wasn't Jackson or Del Torro's fault that the Hobbit was stretched into 3 movies. Both wanted two movies. The studio forced Jackson to write 3 movies, and didn't give him enough time to develop the script. They wanted as much money as possible.
If Jackson is writing this new movie, alongside his wife, then we may have a great movie, as long as they are given freedom, and time to write it properly.
And the Hobbit movies aren't nearly as bad as people say they are imo.
@@trevorthornley8835 I don't think they are bad either, I think they are fantastic, with the exception of the Battle of the Five Armies, which is average. But their opinions aren't as acclaimed as the others.
@@GreenFalcon926 was it ever going to be as good? The Lord of the Rings is a far more emotional, thematically richer story. The Hobbit is a light hearted, small scale adventure. Have you seen the Tolkien cut? That's what the movies should have been.
@@trevorthornley8835 No, they were never going to be better movies. The people who bashed the Hobbit had their hopes too high. Because the original 3 movies were so good, people expected the same thing. That's a them problem. And yes, I've seen the Tolkien cut. It's amazing.
They're still bad, even when edited down.
Smeagol to Gollum was covered by Bashki in 78' in less than five minutes. The orange can't be squeezed.
Some misconceptions here.
The idea of making Hobbit movies from 2 films to 3 films was entirely Jackson's idea. Jackson said in an (Exeter College) video interview (which you can search up) that he had to fly over the studio execs to persuade them to make it 3 movies.
When Del Toro was in charge, it was always meant to be 2 movies. When Jackson took over it was still 2 movies initially, then Jackson got the 'clever' idea of making it 3 movies mid way through production.
Also, another flaw of Hobbit movies that people blame on the studio is the love triangle. This is actually Phillipa Boyens fault (one of the writers of Hobbit and LoTR movies). Phillipa Boyens was the reason why there is a love triangle in the Hobbit. She said "we" wanted Legolas to be heart broken in a Dwarf related love triangle because then it would give him reason to hate Gimli in LOTR (Once again, she says this in an interview).
So guys, don't automatically blame things on the studio when its clear that some mistakes were Jackson's fault.
You could see inklings of weird directorial choices in LOTR movies that Tolkien would consider an insult (e.g depicting Frodo only as a weakling and showing no other side to him). Luckily most of LOTR movies were good so the flaws werent that obvious.
You could see even more signs of Jackson's incompetence in Hobbit movies (by making silly choices as described at the begining of this comment, and also Alfrid - the Jar Jar binks of Hobbit). The Hobbit movies werent that good, so most of the flaws became much more obvious. Sadly people blame the flaws on the studio when a lot of it (not all) was Jackson's and crew's fault.
I hate how every story has to have a cringe "romance" subplot shoehorned in.
There still plenty of older series of books that could use a good movie/tv adaptation. Some that come to mind: Fantasy - Magician, The Wizards and the Warriors, Pawn of Prophecy,. Scifi - Saga of the Seven Suns, Polity, Old Mans War, Mars Trilogy, Dragonriders of Pern, Amtrac Wars, Eon, Rendezvous With Rama, any of Peter F Hamiltons stories, to name a few.
I'll take, things no one wants for $100 please
Same here. I don’t want this
"All We Have To Do Is Decide What To Do With The Money That Is Given To Us"
- Gandalf The Wise
“Is there any story in the books with no details?”
“So we can shoehorn as many of our ideas as possible?”
-The hunt for gollum pitch meeting
I was skeptical about this too, but I did a bit of research, and it seems like from various different sources, be it unfinished tales, the books appendices, and flash backs told from Gandalf’s perspective, Gollum’s whole life between Hobbit and Lord of the Rings can be accounted for and I think there is enough to make a film. After he lost the ring to Bilbo, he took about a month to leave the misty mountains as he feared the daylight. But when he finally left, Bilbo was long gone. But he picked up the trail through Mirkwood and into Dale. He only knew a name, but it was in Dale that he managed to find out that Bilbo was from the Shire. He returned through Mirkwood looking for the shire, but since he didn’t know where it was, he turned south towards Mordor instead. Here he encountered Shelob for the first time as he entered Mordor and Cirith Ungol. It was at this time that Gandalf first became suspicious that Gollum had the one ring and so he send as Aragorn to find Gollum. This film is obviously going to take 2 perspectives, one from Gollum and one from Aragon searching for Gollum. So this part of the movie, I’m less sure about. I read about Gollum, not Aragorn, so I don’t know what Aragorn was up to. But hopefully enough to fill out this movie. Maybe we could meet Arwen, or Elrond’s sons, Elledan and Elrohir who were in the LotR books but not the movies.
Anyway, Aragorn is too late and Sauron finds Gollum first. Enter scenes of Barad dur being rebuilt, Saurons army being recreated and Gollum being tortured. When Gollum is finally released he escapes Mordor but is finally caught by Aragorn who takes him back to Mirkwood. Here he is interrogated by Gandalf. Also in Mirkwood, we can get what would be the main battle. Because Gollum escapes Mirkwood in the chaos of Sauron’s forces in Dol Guldur attacking Mirkwood. This is one of the front of the War of the Ring which is ignored in the films. So this would be an epic scene I think. Gollum escapes and seeks shelter in the Mines of Moria. This is where he finds the fellowship and realises that the ring is close. And then depending where they want to end this film, they could either end it in Moria with him vowing to get the ring back, or maybe even follow him as he follows the fellowship right up until he comes into contact with Frodo and Sam. But either way, I think there is enough potential there. It could be a good way of intertwining lots of smaller stories. We not only follow Gollum, but we could get the young Aragorn story mixed in which they wanted to make presumably. We could get the war in Mirkwood which would explain why Legolas’ people didn’t appear in the films. We could get a fair bit. So long as they can organically merge these stories, I see no reason why it couldn’t work.
Also, this could bring back a lot of old faces as well as introducing some new ones. Like I’ve already said, we could get Gandalf, Aragorn, Arwen and Shelob but also Thranduil, Legolas, Galadriel and maybe even the Witch King. Plus, we could get an introduction to Elrohir and Elladan, maybe Glorfindel, and in what is a real stretch, but one I hope we get, I’d love to see a War in the North film exploring the battles between the Easterlings vs Erebor and Dale. If Gollum does travel to Dale in this film, perhaps they could introduce key players in the War in the north to connect to that story. Maybe Brand or Bard II. There is such a lot of potential I believe. Far more than Rings of Power. Afterall, Tolkien said the second age was not worth talking about. That’s why Rings of Power decided they could do better and write their own stories. But Jackson and Serkis and team chose a seemingly less significant story, but one which Tolkien has actually written a fair amount about. Gollum between stories. Aragorn as a ranger. The war in Mirkwood. Maybe even some background on the fall of Balin in Moria. It’s all possible. All based around the travels of Gollum. I really think this could be a good way to flesh out this world a bit more and I’m here for it.
Also bring on War in the North film. I really want to see Dain take on Easterlings. That would be so cool.
Indeed. I'll be dumb and assume if Andy is directing, it could be a good film
@@bluecollarloser6654 I'll be surprised if they don't find a way to make it woke somehow.
@@BryceShamwow sadly you could be right. I just want to believe in something lol. SOMETHING
You've given me hope, that sounds sweet actually
They did the same thing with the Hobbit trilogy. They promised that we'd see major parts of the history of Middle Earth in the Silmarillion and the Appendices. Instead we got Azog the Pink and Tauriel.
Larry Niven’s Ringworld series, Moorcock’s Elric or Corum or Runestaff series, Fritz Leiber’s Fafrhd & the Grey Mouser series…
the options for awesome IP’s are endless!
No source material?
Another rings of power fiasco
DEFINITELY
@Rotom0479 rings of power showed what happen when you let this talentless hacks make stuff up
@Rotom0479 I MUST CONSOOOMEEE “just consume product and get excited for next product”
As someone who graduated (workman) Film School in 2005, I genuinely hate the notion that modern aspiring filmmakers lack creativity or any unique artistic direction - the problem is that we graduated right at the time of peak-nepotism, entering the era where pure creativity is not encouraged, the needs to cater to the 'mindless masses' taking precedence over anything creative or original. Some of us haven't actually gone into the industry of making something unique, while others who have attempted have been swatted down, told that their creative visions will only alienate viewers..... It's a sad time for entertainment, not because the creative minds involved are lacking in creativity, but because those who concentrate on catering to the mindless masses will always win.