I've NEVER cared about the sequels. It's just a lot of fun watching Disney lose money with each new entry. Luckily for me, I can bring out my og trilogy DVDs and re-live the only Star Wars movies that matter any time I want. As far as I'm concerned, those are the only ones that are canon. 🗿
I didn't even see it in theaters but I streamed it months after it was released. I just figured it couldn't possibly be worse than TLJ, and boyyyy was I wrong.
I only saw force awakens in theaters. The only reason i watched last jedi was to laugh and mock it with a friend. And i didnt pay for it. It was on netflix. I didnt even bother with rise of skywalker.
@@veeclash4157 Exactly, I keep hearing from the Disney shills how the sequel trilogy was fine and fans will embrace a rey movie. The box office won't lie, I want Disney to release it and see where it lands (likely with a thud). If it flops, the death of the garbage sequel trilogy will be complete. If it's successful? Well, then I'll admit that I was completely wrong and the fandom loves rey. *shrug*
That's not even Rey anymore. Just her grandpa Palpatine possessing her body after she struck him down as he wanted her to do, and committed identity theft of claiming the Skywalker surname for himself after Anakin's bloodline is gone for good. He is ultimately the winner in the end.
@@MSgt5J071disney knows that these identity politic are running the company to the ground,but the shareholder are forcing them to push their agenda (and i dont mean female empowerment with these people...)
Larry Fink, CEO of Blackrock, said that their social engineering must continue to be pushed down yhe throats of the serfs. I think "the message" is being pushed from the top of the financial and political spheres, and it can't be stopped by the CEOs of a company like Disney.... bigger fish say so
Of course it is. It's called DEI (I prefer calling it DIE): Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion, and the actual corporate scoring metrics, ESG: Environmental, Social, Governance scores for who gets capital investment and who doesn't. Doesn't seem like anyone "must" follow it. NHL, for example, has backtracked from this (and I think the NFL too). Warner Brothers Discovery doesn't seem to be doing it as much as they used to either. It's just about financial incentives.
I just can’t comprehend why this is so important to them. Like I get that spineless CEOs and rich people will bow down to anything if it means power and money are involved, but why do people at BlackRock or any of these other cabal types care so much about far left political ideology? Do they actually think they’re doing something, or is it about some other agenda for power and control?
@@Tyler_Wexactly that's why Disney is doubling down on this. Because they are hoping to brainwash the next generation. And if adults are resistant to this, between schooling and Disney they are trying to take a foothold with the most vulnerable and long term audience. I mean, seriously they are told they can become cats and unicorns or neutered... This is why Disney making money from the box office is the last thing on their mind.
This smells like infighting, they make the announcements thinking other factions won’t be able to convince those who can from cancelling them after they’re announced.
Yep. Looks like the factional eruptions that happen in one-party states or sclerotic systems - stuck in a broad equilibrium with weak leadership so the various wings of the Lucasfilm Central Committee start competitively leaking to get ahead of the boss.
Kathleen Kennedy has a long history of announcing new projects in an attempt to deflect attention away from Lucasfilm's numerous failures, which, at the end of the day, are 100% her fault.
Just started watching Primal with my son and have been blown away at how excellent it is. I’m a huge fan of the Clone Wars series that Genndy Tartakovsky did a few years back and have always thought that if he was given full creative licence to make a Star Wars live action film it would be excellent. Genndy understands how to put action sequences together, tell a story, get us to care about the characters and he is clearly well steeped in the canon of classic sci fi and fantasy films. My very very very flimsy hope is that SW gets a reboot one day and he is able to write and direct a film.
"A few years back," aka 20 years ago, lol. Seriously, though, Primal was awesome. Very Conan the Barbarian. Tbh, though, I'm not sure I'd have a kid watch it, the last episode in particular. It's nothing explicit, but there's definitely a PG13 sex scene.
@@bighand1530I didn't even see Rise, and never will, no desire to see it, not even curious. TLJ is where I got off that trilogy. I was interested in Rogue squadron but that was canned and there's some stuff that might peak my interest but yeah, Rey Palpatine doesn't interest me at all
No, no, I want them to spend 300+ millions on making it, 150+ millions on marketing, just to get a global box office of 150 millions (gross). They still haven’t lost enough money to get the message of the audience, so I really wish them maximum losses until they finally got it or went bankrupt.
The problem is that they have hired a director that has already clearly stated she wants to shape the narrative of the movie. What writer is going to want to work with her and Darth Kennedy if they are going to constantly interfere. It's more likely I think they want to see what happens with The Mandalorian movie and if does well they will want to ride on the back of it. They know a Rey trilogy by itself would bomb but should something spark an interest in Star Wars again then they will 100% push it out asap because they can't admit they are wrong.
I still don't think Captain Marvel was successful. The net gross profit ratio in the financials for that quarter didn't show the result of a billion dollar movie I think they spend a lot of promotional money buying their own tickets because Captain Marvel could not fail or else in-game would have been impacted. Contemporaneously we also had many reports of theaters with tickets sold out on the front and side rows and 10 of thousands of tickets given out to girls organizations. It was also at that time that Disney was caught treating giveaway items at the theme parks as sold at full price. And the final nail in the coffin for me is the fact it took so long before they made a sequel. If that had been a billion-dollar profitable picture they would have gotten out a sequel much sooner.
It's that last point that is the most damning, I think. Look how fast they rushed out all the Star Wars films. If Catpain Marvel really was the super-duper successful GIRLBOSS leader they claimed they wanted, not only would they have used the cut of 'Endgame' where she was the most featured character, but they would have launched her sequel right away to lead the next phase - LIKE THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO. Instead, they delayed and delayed for years and years and then demoted her in her sequel even when they released it. From BREEE's own angsty public interviews it was clear SHE knew that her character was unwanted and not super-successful. All the evidence points straight to Disney knowing that 'Catpain Marvel' was an embarrassing failure. Numbers can be fixed and Disney has been caught fixing them over and over, and Disney sponsored MANY campaigns when 'Catpain Marvel' launched to give away as many tickets as possible to boost numbers.
Captain Marvel only crossed a billion thanks to China box office (which is way less percents to the studio than other countries) and that’s despite it being connected heavily to Endgame. I think based on circumstances it didn’t do well, just compare it to Black Panther, which grossed above a billion without China and wasn’t sandwiched between Infinity War and Endgame. It really doesn’t need Disney financial marketing to look kind of disappointing. I personally don’t buy the idea that Disney completely faked its success as I know why I watched it back then (Infinity War and watching all MCU movies by default). But it’s possible they spent 100 millions to make sure it gets to a billion to not have bad press before Endgame, though I doubt that it would be more than that given the lucky positioning of the movie. In regard of sequels: It was released 2019, a famous 2020 event put a wrench in many things. So my guess is that Marvel had some numbers from digital sales and streaming to understand how people really liked the movie, hence The Marvels instead of simply staying on goal for a CM 2.
@davidgantenbein9362 just keep in mind the first 2 weeks they were getting 90% of ticket sales. So they could buy 100 million in tickets and get back 90 million. This was a major scandal in the record industry in the 1950s and Business Insider (a mainstream business magazine) did an article on movie studios caught doing it in 2017 (maybe 2016... google it) which included buying out entire empty theaters in China.
this Rey movie WILL go into production in May. how do I know? this is the same playbook as current Marvel movies. shit out a script in a week, shoot it, test screen it, realize it's shit and an expensive problem, spend millions more tweaking it, burn too much money to walk away and throw the movie away, panic sweat as they realize they need to release it, desperately market it as if this movie will save your marriage, listen to youtubers mock the hell out of its trailer, drop the turd on the big screen, and boom! it's done. the explosive diarrhea is unceremoniously flushed down the toilet alongside a terrible terrible box office performance. if this movie doesn't follow that formula, I will be surprised.
Regarding the studio not having a script for the Rey movie, they barely had an idea for the sequel trilogy and still went ahead with making it. So I can believe that they would just start filming scenes that they think would look good and when they have a script they try to put the filmed scenes together to match that script.
Does anyone remember the Seinfeld episode where George tells his girlfriend’s parents he has a house in the Hamptons, so they force him to drive them there, and George is forced to admit it doesn’t exist? That’s basically the Rey movie.
And when he asks why they made him do it if they knew it was a lie, they said, "because we don't like you." That's basically Disney's attitude toward the very group of people they expected to be their guaranteed cash cow.
I hope so, it’ll quicken the demise of Disney. Everyone loved this IP, but that time has unfortunately passed and the fruits and pervs really have doubled down to eviscerate their company. 🤷🏼♂️
If this is happening, I'm just surprised. Considering after Rise of Skywalker, pretty much everything they put out or tried working on - aside from the LEGO specials - tried its hardest to not be in the Sequel era (just of the top of my head when typing this: High Republic [distant past], Kenboi [between Revenge and Return], Andor [same], Mandalorian [post Return, but only by a few years, not to Sequel time yet], Book of Boba Fatt [same], Ahsoka [same again]), it's a bit odd that they'd be returning to the most divisive and disliked of the time periods now.
Rey: "I'm the greatest Jedi ever." Yoda: "Confidence high, yes mmm. However, crusts removed from sandwich, asked for I did. Return to the kitchen, you should."
I think the idea of a rey movie is to try to reach out to a female audience again, plus they can use the movie to push people back to the the parks again, because galaxy edge is focused on the sequal trilogy, so they need the audience liking rey again.
The drunk analogy was hilarious but I think it is far more sinister and spiteful than that they know Rey is unpopular so they are just angrily forcing her in more stuff. They aren't about making entertainment anymore it is about going to war with anti woke youtubers over culture wars.
@@Winterascenthonestly on the edge of my seat ready to stare at old yellowing dog discharge while not watching it. Infinitely more rewarding. Life enriching. 😂
If they were working on another Han Solo movie, I'd be very interested. But the reaction I have towards a Rey movie is, to use one of my brother Bri's sayings, "Shrug shoulders, keep walking."
"You can't start shooting a movie in May if it's January and the script still isn't ready ". Ahem, have you *seen* the Last Jedi? They hadn't even finished writing that by the time the *editing* was done!!
When we see a movie and the previews are being shown, my wife and I play a little game. We watch the ad, then decide if the movie being promoted is a "must see" or "must miss". About three quarters of the offerings fall into the latter category. And as far as Disney (for example) deciding they should change their approach, no, they won't. They'll simply blame the audience, call them names, and try again. And fail.
People following how Disney is performing need to remember the new Rey trilogy was hastily shoved into the spotlight because Indiana Jones 5 was doing so terribly last summer. Kathleen Kennedy desperately wanted people to forget about that disaster and thought diverting their attention to Star Wars would work. However, it didn’t work. Rey is not a likeable character and everyone knows it.
They’re going to remake the original trilogy with Rey in a narrator-type role. She will be part of an intro and outro, with the middle section (most of the movie) as a retelling of A New Hope as told to Rey by Luke Skywalker.
Lifecycle of current year Lucasfilm projects: 1. Announcement, it’s finally time X is being done by Y 2. Development hits indefinite delay, offhandedly mention creative differences. 2a. NUH-UH GUYS, it’s still happening! (Optional but frequent) 3. Actually it was never officially a thing, what’s everyone even talking about? 4. Repeat
Given the financial difficulties of the past year, going forward with the Rey movie would just contribute to that. Any business person at Disney thinking this is a good idea shouldn’t have their job given the indifference to Rey’s character.
The saddest part of all this is that Disney could've bought the Star Wars extended universe books series, good for a dozen great movies, for a less than quarter of what they spent on She-Hulk or The Marvels, but said it was "too expensive." KK took it a step further and even denied their existence.
The Rey movie saga is just illustrating the power struggle going on at Disney now - Peltz and his backers are pushing Iger and the board hard due to the very poor financial performance of the company, particularly in 2023, and the "creatives" in Disney are pushing back. Given the current trajectory, I would expect that Iger will bow out fairly soon and another CEO with a sharp focus on financial performance will take his place - possibly a woman, who will have a much freer hand to cancel "diversity" projects.
Justice for Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, heck even Ben Solo, the killed, destroyed, the Skywalker/Solo family, then they made Palpatines granddaughter the star and gave her Anakin, Luke and Leia's name, like wtf?! it feels like I've in a horrible parallel universe and I want to go home and watch Luke's restoration of the Jedi Order and generally being a complete badass, dominating the attempted uprising of the first order, showing what jedis are truely capable of. I can dream.
None of these will be made, and based on how Disney has been running things, I don't think they will want to be ending the Mandalorian-verse any time soon, because it's the only thing they have keeping Star Wars afloat. As for all the cancelled or limbo projects, I think the only one that had potential was Patty Jenkin's. At this point, they're just flogging a dead horse.
They listened, the plot of Rise of Skywalker was based on reddit threads. People wanted a romance between Rey and Kylo Ren, they wanted Rey to be related with a special bloodline to justify the plot armor, they wanted to see more of the old corpses (hence why Lando came back), etc.. the sequel trilogy is awful because they followed these internet bubbles + lack of planning, just checking fanservice boxes and doing nothing else
so they listened to the type of people who cry at trailers vs anyone with a IQ above stagnant pond temp. Thats not fan feedback, thats tourist feedback. @@RRRRRRRRR33
A drunk falling down the steps- PERFECT description of KK... I mean, that is spot on. It kinda makes Me wonder if She really hasn't started hitting the Bottle instead of being responsible- that's the usual reason People do that, it's why I'm an alcoholic! I didn't just start, I've been doing this a long time- I'm at least conscious of myself and why I do the things I do though, I think twice before making dumb decisions because I know to wait until sober time to make important decisions and when angry and inebriated I know to usually keep my mouth shut if I don't want to make myself look a fool. A wise drunk, I am (probably not really).
Looking at all the announced Star Wars projects that have probably been abandoned I can't help but think about the old British political concept of Masterly Inactivity. The general idea is when you announce something and it's immediately hit with immense negativity you proceed to say nothing about it. You give no updates, when people ask you about the subject you give the most nothing or reflective response possible and you generally pretend that whatever was met with negativity doesn't exist until people have completely and utterly forgotten about it. Then in a few years, or however long it takes for people to completely forget about your subject, you come out with the most under the radar press release possible to say that the thing that was met with a negative response isn't going forward. Because everyone has forgotten about the subject at this point, most people won't hear this statement , and the rest will respond with indifference. This way you avoid having to do the thing that everyone would've hated, and you also avoid the negative press you would receive from cancelling it immediately. I 100% believe that this is the exact strategy that Disney is currently using. Just watch.
For me personally, the arguments about Star Wars movies/TV shows happening are WAAAAAY more entertaining than anything Kennedyfilm or Marvel or Disney in general can produce. The best thing about it is that I don't have to buy a ticket or subscription to a streaming service to enjoy it all.
Knights of the Old Republic 1 has enough content for a trilogy. If they kept politics out of it, stuck to the lore accurate characters from the game (plenty of diversity) and maybe cast Keanu Reeves as Revan. A love and redemption story. That could save Star Wars.
"Eventually people will stop listening".... Yeah, that's where I'm at. I follow your coverage for the lolz and the soap opera that is Disney these days.
I read in the news yesterday that Disney has bought the rights to the Alien franchise. God help us. The simp reporting even suggest that Daisy Ridley could be great as Ripley's daughter. I felt physically sick thinking about it.
Honestly Guillermo Del Toro Jabba the Hutt movie with and R rating could be amazing. But Disney would never allow that let alone let Del Toro do his thing. So I hope that never happens.
Today I decided to cancel my subscription to Disney plus The new Bad Batch trailer was it! The part of Ventress coming back was what made me decide. They ruined her sacrifice in the Dark Disciple book (Canon), they keep bringing back dead characters and therefore all this just made up my mind. Also lightsaber is a joke in Disney Star Wars. Anakins journey to the dark side of the force pointless. Apparently everyone except Padme can return from the netherworld. So ergo I am canceling the subscription to DisneyPlus. From now on George Lucas STAR WARS movies is the only thing that matters.. the rest can go to hell. End of line…..
Kathleen Kennedy had nothing to announce at last year's Celebration. So she came up with the three most lame duck ideas that she could literally just to have something to announce.
I care that something I loved so dearly is committing self-ending. And that incompetent and evil people are being allowed to keep unaliving my beloved franchise.
I remember someone saying that the only working reboot would have been if movie 9 retconned movie 8 as a bad dream and rebuilt everything from the ground up. Obviously that wasn't gonna happen.
I thought The Mandalorian with S1 and S2 was going to retcon the ST and it was doing a good job….. but then Book of Boba Fett, Kenobi,, Mando S3 and Ashoka happened.
Not long ago Bob Iger talked about the need to focus on good stories rather than messaging. Weeks later, KK hires a red-hot feminism activist to lead a Rey Star Wars. There's a disconnect in Disney. I think Drinker's guess may be right that KK is on the way out and she's having one final jab.
If they had any sense of nuance or awareness of the older lore, Rey could have been a new version of Satele Shan. A powerful Jedi Master (who is a woman) but whose real prowess was as a mentor.
As you said, who cares. I'll care enough to watch Andor 2, if it ever finds the light of day... Then I'm done with Disney's wokery and apologists. I will however, continue to enjoy these 'how crap is Disneys SW' clips....🎉
One tactic might be: Have a Rey-based movie, and about 15 minutes into the movie have Rey turn to the screen and say "Is this working for you?", and then she goes into the writers' room and has them write a much better story. Maybe have her fire all the writers, and then bring in a new set of writers, and one of the new writers is the Critical Drinker! ... I think it could work.
Let's be honest here, the reason we say it's dead is because even if they give us some amazing star wars we have already checked out, they've shit the bed 10 times already we aren't ever coming back.
I have my own tracking system: the lunchbox. When I take my kids to school, I see what lunchboxes, rucksacks and knickknacks the kids have. You don't see a lot of Star Wars stuff, and my youngest son never asks about it, never wants to watch it. Not interested. Spiderman, yes, Ironman, yes... Star Wars, meh. It's over, the only thing keeping Star Wars alive is nostalgia and let's be honest, the people who are nostalgic for the original Star Wars trilogy are over 60 by now, or at least ageing xennials like me who watched them on vhs in the 80s. Heck the kids who grew up with the prequals are in their late 30s or 40s by now. Not many kids are growing up watching the rise of sky walker.
We already had 3 Rey movies, and frankly, that was 3 too many.
#boycottthemouse
#MousePoison
Gotta be more active.
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Amen to that.
#ScrewDasMausReich =>[.]
If you still care about Disney Star Wars, nobody can help you at this point.
Oh, i care about it alright. I am heavily invested. I wanna see where this crazy-train stops.
I was so looking forward not to watch the new rey movie pls don’t cancel it
I've NEVER cared about the sequels. It's just a lot of fun watching Disney lose money with each new entry. Luckily for me, I can bring out my og trilogy DVDs and re-live the only Star Wars movies that matter any time I want. As far as I'm concerned, those are the only ones that are canon. 🗿
And you just might be Kathleen Kennedy…
I care! Watching Disney burn hundreds of millions of dollars per movie is the best entertainment out there these days.
I'm 100% convinced the sequel trilogy was thrown straight into production on the concept of an 'idea'
It was all over the place
This is confirmed to be true.
If by "idea" you mean "we just paid a ton of money for this IP, let's crap out as many movies as we can to get that money back"
"What if Luke was a woman" was for sure the elevator pitch
I think each film was done this way individually
Till this day, I am proud to say I haven't seen Rise of Skywalker after The Last Jedi screwed me over.
Cheers to you!
I didn't even see it in theaters but I streamed it months after it was released. I just figured it couldn't possibly be worse than TLJ, and boyyyy was I wrong.
TLJ is the unforgivebable mistake
@@mco3884same here. LTJ was more aggravating to me, but TROS is an objectively worse movie.
I only saw force awakens in theaters. The only reason i watched last jedi was to laugh and mock it with a friend. And i didnt pay for it. It was on netflix. I didnt even bother with rise of skywalker.
I WANT Disney to release the rey movie. Disney can't hide the box office numbers on Disney+ if it has a theatrical release.
Rey movie will bomb as badly as Indy 5. Kk ruins another franchise!
@@veeclash4157 Exactly, I keep hearing from the Disney shills how the sequel trilogy was fine and fans will embrace a rey movie. The box office won't lie, I want Disney to release it and see where it lands (likely with a thud). If it flops, the death of the garbage sequel trilogy will be complete. If it's successful? Well, then I'll admit that I was completely wrong and the fandom loves rey. *shrug*
Daisy Ridley deserves much better than what Disney has been giving her. It must be so exhausting for her.
@@rickyrackey7930really? Why? She's not even a good actress.
@@Biscuits645 Adam Driver proved how good his acting is when he isn’t being leashed like a dog by Disney.
That's not even Rey anymore. Just her grandpa Palpatine possessing her body after she struck him down as he wanted her to do, and committed identity theft of claiming the Skywalker surname for himself after Anakin's bloodline is gone for good.
He is ultimately the winner in the end.
The Rise of Skywalker left a bad taste in my mouth.
@@bighand1530 I can't believe anyone actually watched RoS. I hope you didn't PAY at least.
@@inthefade I rented it on Netflix a while ago.
80 year old man inside a 20 year old girl’s body sounds about right for Disney these days.
"If you kill me I become youuuu"
(Rey kills him)
We weren't supposed to think about it.
Kathleen loves announcing things. Now, putting in the hard work on those projects... She hates that.
"Wtf is going on Kathleen, is the Rey movie happening or not?"
"If you don't know why I'm upset, I'm not gonna tell you."
There has to be a struggle within Disney between the shareholders who know whats going on and the individual studios who dont
The shareholders need to sue Disney for fiduciary irresponsibility. That's the only thing that might wake them up. Then again, probably not...
@@MSgt5J071disney knows that these identity politic are running the company to the ground,but the shareholder are forcing them to push their agenda (and i dont mean female empowerment with these people...)
The big shareholders are the ones pushing this garbage on us in the first place
@@MSgt5J071hopefully there’s a takeover.. Iger needs to go.. how he got that position is beyond me.. sounds like a clueless idiot
Can’t decide if I want it made so I can see it burn, or if I want the stupidity to stop
They’re not capable of making anything better so let’s hope for the biggest, baddest bonfire they can make
BURN BABY BURN
Larry Fink, CEO of Blackrock, said that their social engineering must continue to be pushed down yhe throats of the serfs. I think "the message" is being pushed from the top of the financial and political spheres, and it can't be stopped by the CEOs of a company like Disney.... bigger fish say so
"It's not about the money, it's about sending a message. Everything burns!"
-The Joker
Of course it is. It's called DEI (I prefer calling it DIE): Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion, and the actual corporate scoring metrics, ESG: Environmental, Social, Governance scores for who gets capital investment and who doesn't. Doesn't seem like anyone "must" follow it. NHL, for example, has backtracked from this (and I think the NFL too). Warner Brothers Discovery doesn't seem to be doing it as much as they used to either. It's just about financial incentives.
I just can’t comprehend why this is so important to them. Like I get that spineless CEOs and rich people will bow down to anything if it means power and money are involved, but why do people at BlackRock or any of these other cabal types care so much about far left political ideology? Do they actually think they’re doing something, or is it about some other agenda for power and control?
@@Tyler_Wexactly that's why Disney is doubling down on this. Because they are hoping to brainwash the next generation. And if adults are resistant to this, between schooling and Disney they are trying to take a foothold with the most vulnerable and long term audience.
I mean, seriously they are told they can become cats and unicorns or neutered... This is why Disney making money from the box office is the last thing on their mind.
@@Tyler_W A wise orange man once said: "Everything woke turns to shit."
This smells like infighting, they make the announcements thinking other factions won’t be able to convince those who can from cancelling them after they’re announced.
Yep. Looks like the factional eruptions that happen in one-party states or sclerotic systems - stuck in a broad equilibrium with weak leadership so the various wings of the Lucasfilm Central Committee start competitively leaking to get ahead of the boss.
Kathleen Kennedy has a long history of announcing new projects in an attempt to deflect attention away from Lucasfilm's numerous failures, which, at the end of the day, are 100% her fault.
Just started watching Primal with my son and have been blown away at how excellent it is.
I’m a huge fan of the Clone Wars series that Genndy Tartakovsky did a few years back and have always thought that if he was given full creative licence to make a Star Wars live action film it would be excellent.
Genndy understands how to put action sequences together, tell a story, get us to care about the characters and he is clearly well steeped in the canon of classic sci fi and fantasy films.
My very very very flimsy hope is that SW gets a reboot one day and he is able to write and direct a film.
Word of advice, just skip the last episode.
@@AtlatlMan Why?
"A few years back," aka 20 years ago, lol.
Seriously, though, Primal was awesome. Very Conan the Barbarian. Tbh, though, I'm not sure I'd have a kid watch it, the last episode in particular. It's nothing explicit, but there's definitely a PG13 sex scene.
@@Tyler_W Not to mention one helluva BBQ.
@@XekTOr89 its a very rushed and poorly executed end to the story. Stinks of executive meddling.
I won't see it either way. Zero interest.
Same. The Rise of Skywalker just left me so underwhelmed.
@@bighand1530I didn't even see Rise, and never will, no desire to see it, not even curious. TLJ is where I got off that trilogy. I was interested in Rogue squadron but that was canned and there's some stuff that might peak my interest but yeah, Rey Palpatine doesn't interest me at all
@@mandalore41 I prefer Rogue One over the Rey Trilogy.
@@bighand1530yeah, I still watch Rogue One every now and then
@@mandalore41 Same here
I hope disney pulls a batwoman and wastes 200+ million filming it only to cancel it last second
No, no, I want them to spend 300+ millions on making it, 150+ millions on marketing, just to get a global box office of 150 millions (gross). They still haven’t lost enough money to get the message of the audience, so I really wish them maximum losses until they finally got it or went bankrupt.
Batgirl.
Batgirl: "I'm so bad that I was shelved before anybody could see me!"
Rey: "Hold my beer."
"Who cares?" is the question Lucas Film should be asking, not the former fans of SW.
The problem is that they have hired a director that has already clearly stated she wants to shape the narrative of the movie. What writer is going to want to work with her and Darth Kennedy if they are going to constantly interfere. It's more likely I think they want to see what happens with The Mandalorian movie and if does well they will want to ride on the back of it. They know a Rey trilogy by itself would bomb but should something spark an interest in Star Wars again then they will 100% push it out asap because they can't admit they are wrong.
It's almost 4 years since End Game released . And just 8 years since Force Awakens released. It's been a long time.
I still don't think Captain Marvel was successful. The net gross profit ratio in the financials for that quarter didn't show the result of a billion dollar movie I think they spend a lot of promotional money buying their own tickets because Captain Marvel could not fail or else in-game would have been impacted. Contemporaneously we also had many reports of theaters with tickets sold out on the front and side rows and 10 of thousands of tickets given out to girls organizations.
It was also at that time that Disney was caught treating giveaway items at the theme parks as sold at full price.
And the final nail in the coffin for me is the fact it took so long before they made a sequel. If that had been a billion-dollar profitable picture they would have gotten out a sequel much sooner.
It's that last point that is the most damning, I think. Look how fast they rushed out all the Star Wars films. If Catpain Marvel really was the super-duper successful GIRLBOSS leader they claimed they wanted, not only would they have used the cut of 'Endgame' where she was the most featured character, but they would have launched her sequel right away to lead the next phase - LIKE THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO. Instead, they delayed and delayed for years and years and then demoted her in her sequel even when they released it. From BREEE's own angsty public interviews it was clear SHE knew that her character was unwanted and not super-successful. All the evidence points straight to Disney knowing that 'Catpain Marvel' was an embarrassing failure. Numbers can be fixed and Disney has been caught fixing them over and over, and Disney sponsored MANY campaigns when 'Catpain Marvel' launched to give away as many tickets as possible to boost numbers.
Captain Marvel only crossed a billion thanks to China box office (which is way less percents to the studio than other countries) and that’s despite it being connected heavily to Endgame. I think based on circumstances it didn’t do well, just compare it to Black Panther, which grossed above a billion without China and wasn’t sandwiched between Infinity War and Endgame. It really doesn’t need Disney financial marketing to look kind of disappointing.
I personally don’t buy the idea that Disney completely faked its success as I know why I watched it back then (Infinity War and watching all MCU movies by default). But it’s possible they spent 100 millions to make sure it gets to a billion to not have bad press before Endgame, though I doubt that it would be more than that given the lucky positioning of the movie.
In regard of sequels: It was released 2019, a famous 2020 event put a wrench in many things. So my guess is that Marvel had some numbers from digital sales and streaming to understand how people really liked the movie, hence The Marvels instead of simply staying on goal for a CM 2.
@davidgantenbein9362 just keep in mind the first 2 weeks they were getting 90% of ticket sales. So they could buy 100 million in tickets and get back 90 million.
This was a major scandal in the record industry in the 1950s and Business Insider (a mainstream business magazine) did an article on movie studios caught doing it in 2017 (maybe 2016... google it) which included buying out entire empty theaters in China.
Then why wouldn’t they do that with every movie genius?
@@davidgantenbein9362or peopke loved the movie and Brie Larson
this Rey movie WILL go into production in May. how do I know? this is the same playbook as current Marvel movies.
shit out a script in a week, shoot it, test screen it, realize it's shit and an expensive problem, spend millions more tweaking it, burn too much money to walk away and throw the movie away, panic sweat as they realize they need to release it, desperately market it as if this movie will save your marriage, listen to youtubers mock the hell out of its trailer, drop the turd on the big screen, and boom! it's done. the explosive diarrhea is unceremoniously flushed down the toilet alongside a terrible terrible box office performance.
if this movie doesn't follow that formula, I will be surprised.
You forgot to included they will blame the 'toxic fans' it bombed.
Bro, a movie about han solo lost money. Can you imagine how low a rey movie would go? It would be glorious
This. I think people would have been receptive to a recast Han Solo if the movie wasn’t junk.
@@chrisw6164 Also they could've had the son of Han and Leia and maybe NOT kill him off like a chum
@@chrisw6164I saw it again recently with the wife, it’s not actually that bad. At least they got Han to shoot first 😂
Disney still makes movies? Who knew. Haven't seen one of theirs in ages.
Regarding the studio not having a script for the Rey movie, they barely had an idea for the sequel trilogy and still went ahead with making it. So I can believe that they would just start filming scenes that they think would look good and when they have a script they try to put the filmed scenes together to match that script.
Not just script. Casting annoucement is still pending.
@@dashmeetsingh9679Maybe they are going to let AI create the scenes.
It would look like shit, but I doubt that they would care.
Does anyone remember the Seinfeld episode where George tells his girlfriend’s parents he has a house in the Hamptons, so they force him to drive them there, and George is forced to admit it doesn’t exist? That’s basically the Rey movie.
And when he asks why they made him do it if they knew it was a lie, they said, "because we don't like you."
That's basically Disney's attitude toward the very group of people they expected to be their guaranteed cash cow.
I hope so, it’ll quicken the demise of Disney. Everyone loved this IP, but that time has unfortunately passed and the fruits and pervs really have doubled down to eviscerate their company. 🤷🏼♂️
If this is happening, I'm just surprised.
Considering after Rise of Skywalker, pretty much everything they put out or tried working on - aside from the LEGO specials - tried its hardest to not be in the Sequel era (just of the top of my head when typing this: High Republic [distant past], Kenboi [between Revenge and Return], Andor [same], Mandalorian [post Return, but only by a few years, not to Sequel time yet], Book of Boba Fatt [same], Ahsoka [same again]), it's a bit odd that they'd be returning to the most divisive and disliked of the time periods now.
Rey: "I'm the greatest Jedi ever."
Yoda: "Confidence high, yes mmm. However, crusts removed from sandwich, asked for I did. Return to the kitchen, you should."
This made me laugh harder than it probably should have
Yoda was really mad when she tried to give him a hot dog for lunch.
Lol I could hear the voice
😂🤣🤘
@@chrisw6164 "Wanted hotdog coins I did. Mustard on the side there must be."
Drunk falling down the steps nailed it. "I'm doin Rey, oh I'm sorry I thought this was Merica.... "
I think the idea of a rey movie is to try to reach out to a female audience again, plus they can use the movie to push people back to the the parks again, because galaxy edge is focused on the sequal trilogy, so they need the audience liking rey again.
Remember, someone high up at Lucasfilm thinks this is a good idea.
More like „someone high at Lucasfilm thinks this is a good idea“…
Kathy must be using her own money now cus Disney got none left
The only silver lining if they do get made is the possibility of waking E;R from his eternal slumber
I don't really care about Disney anymore, so they won't be getting any of my money.
The drunk analogy was hilarious but I think it is far more sinister and spiteful than that they know Rey is unpopular so they are just angrily forcing her in more stuff. They aren't about making entertainment anymore it is about going to war with anti woke youtubers over culture wars.
Doubtful.
I want them to make this movie. So we can watch a Star wars movie crash harder than The Marvels
If they had common sense they would not have even thought about another Rey movie
Oh man, I can't wait to not watch it!
Not watching is going to be epic!
@@Winterascenthonestly on the edge of my seat ready to stare at old yellowing dog discharge while not watching it.
Infinitely more rewarding. Life enriching. 😂
Oh yeah, I'll have to make popcorn while not watching it!
You guys are ALL my favorites. I'm so glad to see you guys together. I'm actually trying to open up a Reaction channel, because how Tyrone does it.
If they were working on another Han Solo movie, I'd be very interested. But the reaction I have towards a Rey movie is, to use one of my brother Bri's sayings, "Shrug shoulders, keep walking."
A lot of people have apathy towards Disney; no one cares if the movie goes through or not. 🎉
Should have been obvious all along that Rey was a Palpatine. All SW villains have British accents. If she were a hero she would speak proper American.
"You can't start shooting a movie in May if it's January and the script still isn't ready ".
Ahem, have you *seen* the Last Jedi?
They hadn't even finished writing that by the time the *editing* was done!!
The problem with Disney is there trial balloons are named Hindenburg
I enjoy the new format of cutting in with your usual editing style ie. gifs and such. Awesome as always💪🏻
When we see a movie and the previews are being shown, my wife and I play a little game. We watch the ad, then decide if the movie being promoted is a "must see" or "must miss". About three quarters of the offerings fall into the latter category. And as far as Disney (for example) deciding they should change their approach, no, they won't. They'll simply blame the audience, call them names, and try again. And fail.
People following how Disney is performing need to remember the new Rey trilogy was hastily shoved into the spotlight because Indiana Jones 5 was doing so terribly last summer. Kathleen Kennedy desperately wanted people to forget about that disaster and thought diverting their attention to Star Wars would work. However, it didn’t work. Rey is not a likeable character and everyone knows it.
You are making this Man UNCOMFORTABLE
Its fascinating to watch a company set money on fire over and over again and learn nothing.
It’s fascinating and baffling
I love how these stream highlights have memes sprinkled in now. Great job drinker!
They’re going to remake the original trilogy with Rey in a narrator-type role. She will be part of an intro and outro, with the middle section (most of the movie) as a retelling of A New Hope as told to Rey by Luke Skywalker.
Lifecycle of current year Lucasfilm projects:
1. Announcement, it’s finally time X is being done by Y
2. Development hits indefinite delay, offhandedly mention creative differences.
2a. NUH-UH GUYS, it’s still happening! (Optional but frequent)
3. Actually it was never officially a thing, what’s everyone even talking about?
4. Repeat
Given the financial difficulties of the past year, going forward with the Rey movie would just contribute to that.
Any business person at Disney thinking this is a good idea shouldn’t have their job given the indifference to Rey’s character.
"Who Cares?" is exactly the point
The saddest part of all this is that Disney could've bought the Star Wars extended universe books series, good for a dozen great movies, for a less than quarter of what they spent on She-Hulk or The Marvels, but said it was "too expensive." KK took it a step further and even denied their existence.
I’m over it. I have zero interest in what Disney does with their business. Obviously losing billions of dollars won’t change their ways so...🤷♂️
The Rey movie saga is just illustrating the power struggle going on at Disney now - Peltz and his backers are pushing Iger and the board hard due to the very poor financial performance of the company, particularly in 2023, and the "creatives" in Disney are pushing back. Given the current trajectory, I would expect that Iger will bow out fairly soon and another CEO with a sharp focus on financial performance will take his place - possibly a woman, who will have a much freer hand to cancel "diversity" projects.
Justice for Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, heck even Ben Solo, the killed, destroyed, the Skywalker/Solo family, then they made Palpatines granddaughter the star and gave her Anakin, Luke and Leia's name, like wtf?! it feels like I've in a horrible parallel universe and I want to go home and watch Luke's restoration of the Jedi Order and generally being a complete badass, dominating the attempted uprising of the first order, showing what jedis are truely capable of. I can dream.
None of these will be made, and based on how Disney has been running things, I don't think they will want to be ending the Mandalorian-verse any time soon, because it's the only thing they have keeping Star Wars afloat. As for all the cancelled or limbo projects, I think the only one that had potential was Patty Jenkin's. At this point, they're just flogging a dead horse.
Imagine if they had listened to the fans feedback instead of doubling down on their nonsense
They listened, the plot of Rise of Skywalker was based on reddit threads. People wanted a romance between Rey and Kylo Ren, they wanted Rey to be related with a special bloodline to justify the plot armor, they wanted to see more of the old corpses (hence why Lando came back), etc.. the sequel trilogy is awful because they followed these internet bubbles + lack of planning, just checking fanservice boxes and doing nothing else
so they listened to the type of people who cry at trailers vs anyone with a IQ above stagnant pond temp.
Thats not fan feedback, thats tourist feedback. @@RRRRRRRRR33
A drunk falling down the steps- PERFECT description of KK... I mean, that is spot on. It kinda makes Me wonder if She really hasn't started hitting the Bottle instead of being responsible- that's the usual reason People do that, it's why I'm an alcoholic! I didn't just start, I've been doing this a long time- I'm at least conscious of myself and why I do the things I do though, I think twice before making dumb decisions because I know to wait until sober time to make important decisions and when angry and inebriated I know to usually keep my mouth shut if I don't want to make myself look a fool. A wise drunk, I am (probably not really).
I WANT Disney to make it.
Budget about 500 million before advertising.
Disney was handed a freaking gold mine and look at what they did.
Looking at all the announced Star Wars projects that have probably been abandoned I can't help but think about the old British political concept of Masterly Inactivity.
The general idea is when you announce something and it's immediately hit with immense negativity you proceed to say nothing about it. You give no updates, when people ask you about the subject you give the most nothing or reflective response possible and you generally pretend that whatever was met with negativity doesn't exist until people have completely and utterly forgotten about it.
Then in a few years, or however long it takes for people to completely forget about your subject, you come out with the most under the radar press release possible to say that the thing that was met with a negative response isn't going forward. Because everyone has forgotten about the subject at this point, most people won't hear this statement , and the rest will respond with indifference.
This way you avoid having to do the thing that everyone would've hated, and you also avoid the negative press you would receive from cancelling it immediately.
I 100% believe that this is the exact strategy that Disney is currently using. Just watch.
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For me personally, the arguments about Star Wars movies/TV shows happening are WAAAAAY more entertaining than anything Kennedyfilm or Marvel or Disney in general can produce. The best thing about it is that I don't have to buy a ticket or subscription to a streaming service to enjoy it all.
Let Disney make whatever 💩 they want. I won't waste a dime on it.
I am DONE with them!!!
Knights of the Old Republic 1 has enough content for a trilogy. If they kept politics out of it, stuck to the lore accurate characters from the game (plenty of diversity) and maybe cast Keanu Reeves as Revan. A love and redemption story. That could save Star Wars.
"Eventually people will stop listening".... Yeah, that's where I'm at. I follow your coverage for the lolz and the soap opera that is Disney these days.
"Who cares?" is correct. Watch and review other media. I don't care to hear about the failings of Star Wars every week.
That Guillermo Jabba movie caught me so off guard; I like his stuff but it just seems so random
It's actually a good point I don't think I've ever seen someone cos play as Rey, especially not TSWG and that should tell you something right there
I read in the news yesterday that Disney has bought the rights to the Alien franchise. God help us. The simp reporting even suggest that Daisy Ridley could be great as Ripley's daughter. I felt physically sick thinking about it.
Honestly Guillermo Del Toro Jabba the Hutt movie with and R rating could be amazing. But Disney would never allow that let alone let Del Toro do his thing. So I hope that never happens.
With the powers they gave Ray, she should ve able to singlehandedly save whole franchise.
When a RUclips channel, and the people who appear in them, just make white noise. Reminds you who really needs who.
Today I decided to cancel my subscription to Disney plus
The new Bad Batch trailer was it! The part of Ventress coming back was what made me decide. They ruined her sacrifice in the Dark Disciple book (Canon), they keep bringing back dead characters and therefore all this just made up my mind. Also lightsaber is a joke in Disney Star Wars.
Anakins journey to the dark side of the force pointless. Apparently everyone except Padme can return from the netherworld. So ergo I am canceling the subscription to DisneyPlus.
From now on George Lucas STAR WARS movies is the only thing that matters.. the rest can go to hell.
End of line…..
Kathleen Kennedy had nothing to announce at last year's Celebration. So she came up with the three most lame duck ideas that she could literally just to have something to announce.
There is nothing left but the bitter ashes of what was once a grand mansion😭
EXACTLY. And we’re just wondering through the ruins picking up the pieces that aren’t broken or destroyed
I care that something I loved so dearly is committing self-ending. And that incompetent and evil people are being allowed to keep unaliving my beloved franchise.
A lot of heavy hitters on this pod 🔥 you guys w Tyrone magnus is an avengers level line-up
No one on this earth can honestly claim to care about Disney Star Wars. It isn't even Star Wars. lol.
I'm done with Star Trek and Star Wars.
C'mon now, Strange New Worlds is pretty cool
@RRRRRRRRR33 it's better than other nuTrek series like Discovery or Picard season 1 and 2 but it's still far weaker than real Trek.
Would a Hail Mary featuring Rey Skywalker be a Hail Ma-Rey-Sue?
Making something nobody asked for and paying hundreds of millions to do so is a luxury that Disney don’t have at this point.
Blackrock does
It's so genuinely confusing to me why they keep doing this.
I remember someone saying that the only working reboot would have been if movie 9 retconned movie 8 as a bad dream and rebuilt everything from the ground up. Obviously that wasn't gonna happen.
I thought The Mandalorian with S1 and S2 was going to retcon the ST and it was doing a good job….. but then Book
of Boba Fett, Kenobi,, Mando S3 and Ashoka happened.
Not long ago Bob Iger talked about the need to focus on good stories rather than messaging. Weeks later, KK hires a red-hot feminism activist to lead a Rey Star Wars. There's a disconnect in Disney. I think Drinker's guess may be right that KK is on the way out and she's having one final jab.
If they had any sense of nuance or awareness of the older lore, Rey could have been a new version of Satele Shan. A powerful Jedi Master (who is a woman) but whose real prowess was as a mentor.
The thing with Rey is that she COULD have been an interesting character. But that shipped sailed away with Palpatines child on it…somehow
As you said, who cares.
I'll care enough to watch Andor 2, if it ever finds the light of day...
Then I'm done with Disney's wokery and apologists.
I will however, continue to enjoy these 'how crap is Disneys SW' clips....🎉
I want to hear about the Guillermo del Toro Jabba the Hutt movie. That might be awesome. There'd be a chance for some artistic integrity there.
One tactic might be: Have a Rey-based movie, and about 15 minutes into the movie have Rey turn to the screen and say "Is this working for you?", and then she goes into the writers' room and has them write a much better story. Maybe have her fire all the writers, and then bring in a new set of writers, and one of the new writers is the Critical Drinker!
... I think it could work.
It didn’t save she hulk it won’t save Rey movie.
@@veeclash4157 - The She Hulk movie had She Hunk rewriting the script, and not the Critical Drinker!
Let's be honest here, the reason we say it's dead is because even if they give us some amazing star wars we have already checked out, they've shit the bed 10 times already we aren't ever coming back.
@@garanceadrosehn9691 the critical drinker would not attach his name to trash. so i don't see this happening. he's a man of culture.
I guess Disney thinks they haven't lost enough money yet...
I can't wait to not watch it
I have my own tracking system: the lunchbox. When I take my kids to school, I see what lunchboxes, rucksacks and knickknacks the kids have. You don't see a lot of Star Wars stuff, and my youngest son never asks about it, never wants to watch it. Not interested. Spiderman, yes, Ironman, yes... Star Wars, meh. It's over, the only thing keeping Star Wars alive is nostalgia and let's be honest, the people who are nostalgic for the original Star Wars trilogy are over 60 by now, or at least ageing xennials like me who watched them on vhs in the 80s. Heck the kids who grew up with the prequals are in their late 30s or 40s by now. Not many kids are growing up watching the rise of sky walker.
MauLer nearly choked me to death with that drunk dude analogy, fucking brilliant.
Daisy Ridley deserved much better than what Disney gave her.
Disney's new movie models are like McDonald's, switching their menu to liver and onions with a side of spinach...
"REYYYYYYYY"
Fin yell
The last good Star Wars product was when the finished the Clone Wars animated show.
Wasn’t going to see it anyway. I find Kathleen Kennedy’s temper tantrums and the Fandom Menace laughing at her failures more entertaining.