New wow player and friends recommended I tank and play g druid. It’s a good fit for me and my personality- but steep learning curve and lots of toxic in mythic pugs. Still like it and this video series was a lot of help for me to better understand tactics and broader gameplay. Thanks for doing all the work to put these vids out there.
As for tank's final thoughts I will say that: as a tank I feel much more in control of what happens in the key: what we are pulling and what not, I decide the pace, I can see if healer struggles to keep us alive and go slower, or if I need to make huge pulls because our team's damage is insane. I mostly play self sufficient tank(prot paladin), once you figure out how to play, how to chain defensives and what not, it feels like you can carry almost any team to complete the key (obviously up to a certain level), even if team's dps isn't the best, even if they not using defensives, you can cover it with your externals and your own dps. When I play a healer I feel like it's hit or miss: if I'm in the good group it's very easy, if I'm in the bad group it's almost unplayable, I can't just overheal every aoe if dps are not using their defensives. I just feel I have little control over success of the dungeon Thats just my thoughts of why I'm mostly play tanks
tip on the first boss of grim batol, Reset to the middle of the room after every purple wave, if you do the next time it spawns, you will be the closest possible to any location it chooses to be safe and dont have to run as far, meaning you can just backpeddle to safe spot inside of running the whole room.
I got keystone master and keystone hero for the first time ever this season and I was also playing guardian! I was glad for the simplicity of the spec bc the farthest I ever got in m+ prior to this season was about 1k rio and my first time tanking (was traditionally balance druid but got sick of waiting/no invites to groups.) My BIGGEST annoyance was getting one shot when charging into a regular trash pull! I quickly learned to just press barkskin before charging and fortunately its cd was usually done by the next pull but sometimes it wasn’t!!! If I had really good dps in my group they would down pulls faster than I could get barkskin back and I’d have to start using other defensives and throw off my timing! It felt so bad!!Even worse was if I already had to use my other light defensive (rage of the sleeper) I’d be left either using a huge overkill defensive to not get popped or waiting a few seconds for bark to come back. Having to wait makes the dps hate you and (often) pull before you’re ready. Needing to pop a defensive for regular melee hits made me not feel like a tank but just another (weak) dps with more defensive cooldowns. I think I’d really like to see more baseline defensiveness at least agains melee hits moving forward. Or maybe just have barkskin reset when leaving combat on top of having a cooldown (whichever happens first.)
Shield Block, Shield of Rightousness, Death strike, Ironfur, Demon armor, purifying brew. Thats the spammable mitigation all thanks have. (Yes, Death strike is a healing ability, but its Theyr mitigation, so its basically the same as the rest of them. Use it or you'll die)
I personally just use my ironfur on mousewheel down, just scrolling it constantly seems much easier on fingers and you can pop multiple ironfurs much quicker then pressing the button Edit: Also I feel like you are not using your defensives enough sometimes. Like on that NW attempt I can see you had your incarn ran out but you didn't pop the barkskin nor the survival instincts. That might have been the difference between life and death. On those heavy pulls the idea is that you cycle defensives and chain then one into other. But that was a fun journey to follow anyway, looking forward to more content
Oh 100%. I got used to using a defensive at the beginning of a pull and when it fell off I wouldn't use another one because by that time I had iron fur going. But in keys 10 and above. That is not the case. Haha
last time i tanked was on DF S3 but only up to 2200 rio, it started to feel boring after that. But I have not bothered ever since, I dont like leading and I m afraid I ll get one shotted. Now how does holy paladin look for S2?
Season 2 for Hpal isn't looking the best unfortunately. It doesn't look terrible but it doesn't look great. Hopefully we can get some buffs after the beta testing for season 2.
all your problems like go away if you play veng dh. you can insta move w/o looking away from a boss, you have way more stops, you get to the end of the shooting range instatnly in siege, you have a million magic resist vs the bosses in mists, you dont fall off in arakara, you isnta get to a snare pool in arakara last boss, demon spikes is a better version of ironfur for you. For ironfurn you take ironfuir aoe dmg so everytime you hit it you do more and more dmg, then you take the talent that when you use an amout of rage you heal the entire party, and finally ironfur is off the gcd so you macro it to your other abilities and then you are BUTTER! every other GCD gives you armor, does extra aoe dmg, and counts for stacks to heal the entire team, and you dont even have to press ironfur. its like wearing another tier set.
New wow player and friends recommended I tank and play g druid. It’s a good fit for me and my personality- but steep learning curve and lots of toxic in mythic pugs. Still like it and this video series was a lot of help for me to better understand tactics and broader gameplay. Thanks for doing all the work to put these vids out there.
Thoroughly enjoyed this series.
Thanks so much!
As for tank's final thoughts I will say that: as a tank I feel much more in control of what happens in the key: what we are pulling and what not, I decide the pace, I can see if healer struggles to keep us alive and go slower, or if I need to make huge pulls because our team's damage is insane. I mostly play self sufficient tank(prot paladin), once you figure out how to play, how to chain defensives and what not, it feels like you can carry almost any team to complete the key (obviously up to a certain level), even if team's dps isn't the best, even if they not using defensives, you can cover it with your externals and your own dps. When I play a healer I feel like it's hit or miss: if I'm in the good group it's very easy, if I'm in the bad group it's almost unplayable, I can't just overheal every aoe if dps are not using their defensives. I just feel I have little control over success of the dungeon
Thats just my thoughts of why I'm mostly play tanks
tip on the first boss of grim batol, Reset to the middle of the room after every purple wave, if you do the next time it spawns, you will be the closest possible to any location it chooses to be safe and dont have to run as far, meaning you can just backpeddle to safe spot inside of running the whole room.
Thanks.
I got keystone master and keystone hero for the first time ever this season and I was also playing guardian! I was glad for the simplicity of the spec bc the farthest I ever got in m+ prior to this season was about 1k rio and my first time tanking (was traditionally balance druid but got sick of waiting/no invites to groups.)
My BIGGEST annoyance was getting one shot when charging into a regular trash pull! I quickly learned to just press barkskin before charging and fortunately its cd was usually done by the next pull but sometimes it wasn’t!!! If I had really good dps in my group they would down pulls faster than I could get barkskin back and I’d have to start using other defensives and throw off my timing! It felt so bad!!Even worse was if I already had to use my other light defensive (rage of the sleeper) I’d be left either using a huge overkill defensive to not get popped or waiting a few seconds for bark to come back.
Having to wait makes the dps hate you and (often) pull before you’re ready. Needing to pop a defensive for regular melee hits made me not feel like a tank but just another (weak) dps with more defensive cooldowns.
I think I’d really like to see more baseline defensiveness at least agains melee hits moving forward. Or maybe just have barkskin reset when leaving combat on top of having a cooldown (whichever happens first.)
Most of the time, if your barkskin is not up for a while, chain pull the next pack.
Totally agree!
Lmao, the thought of you yelling Lifegrip!
Shield Block, Shield of Rightousness, Death strike, Ironfur, Demon armor, purifying brew. Thats the spammable mitigation all thanks have. (Yes, Death strike is a healing ability, but its Theyr mitigation, so its basically the same as the rest of them. Use it or you'll die)
I personally just use my ironfur on mousewheel down, just scrolling it constantly seems much easier on fingers and you can pop multiple ironfurs much quicker then pressing the button
Edit: Also I feel like you are not using your defensives enough sometimes. Like on that NW attempt I can see you had your incarn ran out but you didn't pop the barkskin nor the survival instincts. That might have been the difference between life and death. On those heavy pulls the idea is that you cycle defensives and chain then one into other.
But that was a fun journey to follow anyway, looking forward to more content
Oh 100%. I got used to using a defensive at the beginning of a pull and when it fell off I wouldn't use another one because by that time I had iron fur going. But in keys 10 and above. That is not the case. Haha
last time i tanked was on DF S3 but only up to 2200 rio, it started to feel boring after that. But I have not bothered ever since, I dont like leading and I m afraid I ll get one shotted. Now how does holy paladin look for S2?
Season 2 for Hpal isn't looking the best unfortunately. It doesn't look terrible but it doesn't look great. Hopefully we can get some buffs after the beta testing for season 2.
In the intro of the video, is that an arson that shows all your gear and keys? If so what is it called? Or what are they all called?
Yes, the adding is called "Narcissus"
@@pokket_gaming you legend, thank you!
I just macro'd ironfur into my mangle and thrash because RSI is real 😅
I put ironfur on my mouse wheel and just keep that wheel turning to spam the fur 😊
Yeah, I have mine macro'd to thrash haha
all your problems like go away if you play veng dh. you can insta move w/o looking away from a boss, you have way more stops, you get to the end of the shooting range instatnly in siege, you have a million magic resist vs the bosses in mists, you dont fall off in arakara, you isnta get to a snare pool in arakara last boss, demon spikes is a better version of ironfur for you. For ironfurn you take ironfuir aoe dmg so everytime you hit it you do more and more dmg, then you take the talent that when you use an amout of rage you heal the entire party, and finally ironfur is off the gcd so you macro it to your other abilities and then you are BUTTER! every other GCD gives you armor, does extra aoe dmg, and counts for stacks to heal the entire team, and you dont even have to press ironfur. its like wearing another tier set.
That does sound like every single problem solved in one class. Haha