Have you ever hear the tragedy of captain Howzer the wise? I thought not, it's not a story the empire will tell you It's a clone legend Captain Howzer is a clone captain of the republic so powerful and so wise he could deactivate inhibitor chips
My theory on Howser and the other clones. In the 6th season of TCW Tupp’s chip activated prematurely and not only began to deteriorate, but even fail at times. My guess is that the chips burn themselves out or stop signaling after a time as evidenced by the deterioration shown by Tupp’s chip. We know from Tupp that the chips weren’t as foolproof as intended and that personality can conflict even with an aggressive reaction like Tupp’s. The chips likely use bio-electricity to function, but in order to not harm the clone trooper they can only work this way for a limited period of time before running out of juice and deactivating. In the case of Howser, he has spent years in social and tactical situations that did not favor his programming and thus his brain reinforced his personality over the programming because that is what was being used more often. Considering clones age twice as fast, this means that the brain may actually imbed these behavioral patterns very strongly due to having half the time to reprioritize behavioral patterns, creating stronger opposition to programming the longer a clone lives, especially when living away from organized environments where the programming would be behaviorally reinforced.
I’ll be honest, I think Crosshair is starting to defect or at least question his loyalty to the Empire. Two reasons for this. One, his burn mark is on the right side of his head, where his inhibitor chip is. Two, when Howzer made his speech about the occupation of Ryloth, Crosshair ordered him to be arrested, instead of taking his head off. He’s done worse for little like executing his own men then executing civies. Lemme know what you think.
Its a difference in situation I fear. For the civis they had ORDERS there that were violated by the shot trooper. For howzer.....he did not violate any orders and also exemples don'T work too good on clones. Thus no need to kill those.
He also had slight hesitation moment also with cross hair and the others in there prospective its like the bad batch and jedi betrayed them they think that they are the evil ones due to the chip making them not question anything
@@tome7998 actually the recruit gave orders to the other recruits to capture them but their mission was to kill them and here their mission was to kill the batch and capture Cham but Howzer stopped them. What Howzer did was far worse than what the recruit so he has a point.
Wrecker tried to kill them bc as his chip was activating Hunter and Rex said they help the padawan escape and they also said the words order 66, that why when wrecker attack he said “you are in violation of order 66”
Yeah I think order 66 just made the clones want to kill Jedi, but it didn’t make them more docile. I think they were already genetically modified to follow orders
Exactly. During that scene I was anxious because they were talking about it in Wrecker's hearing and he was already hanging by a thread. I kept thinking, "shut up! You can talk about this after you get the chip out of his head."
Nope even before they met Rex, Wrecker's chip is already starting to act up, just not in full. Remember when he was constantly complaining about the headache.
if you look at crosshair's face at the end you can point out something different in his expression he doesnt seem like the cold blooded killer he was in the first eps but anyway i just want to have some faith in him
To add on your idea, when houser was saying his speech instead of shooting him he kept his gun lowered, also if I remember correctly he didn’t even give the order to arrest them
Something I noticed when I watched the episode was that the move that Tech used when they were destroying the turbo lasers, was the drift from Star Wars Squadrons. Thought that was pretty cool how they added that
Maybe since Howzer is a phase one clone, the other clones that dropped their weapons are also phase one and the ones who took them in are newer clones, with a stronger inhibitor chip? 🤔
Maybe but Jesse was also a phase one clone and when Rex tried to convince him it didn't work but maybe you right and it's only specifically happening right now
@@justsomeguywithamustache8447 yeah, but Jesse was also in front of a Jedi, so maybe it’s amplified around Jedi, but a little less without Jedi? Which still is stretch after saying out loud lmao
Or it's a plot hole. Cause it's not only Howzer that committed treason but the clones under him as well. Cut Lawquane not executing Oder 66 is easy to explain as him being a defective close as he has exhibited deviant behavior from the very beginning, like not feeling any loyalty to the Republic. Howzer wasn't like that, he was a just a regular clone, just like Rex, and Cody at which we know can be under complete control of the chip.
I think maybe the look hunter gave Howser at the end was foreshadowing him telling Rex about him…maybe…or at least I really hope so, would be absolute beautiful cinematics to see Rex and Howser fighting side by side
Crosshair face at the end kinda shows how he is confused, i think he also is starting to realize how something just isint right and if what the point of all his doing is for, i think howzer really affected him
Does anyone still hold out a little hope for Crosshair? Also, I think that Crosshair is still a villain, but he might at least still love his brothers. Maybe.
Didn‘t he straight up ask to hunt them? I know becouse of the chip he must obey orders but he is passionate about it and even takes actions to take em done himself
@@navas.s9321 have you guys not noticed the signs yet? It keeps showing subtle hints that he misses his brothers the scene in their old bunk room the scene where he misses the shot on the ship but looks conflicted about the whole situation.. then he specifically requests to “hunt” them down I think crosshair will begin the mission get captured by bad batch and either have his chip removed or they will find out that the damage from the ships exhaust has burned the chip in his brain and removing it will kill him.
During the meeting between Howzer, Crosshair, and Admiral Rampart at 10:00, I noticed that as Crosshair leaves the room Howzer gets out of his way. And through the episode whenever they looked at eachother it didn’t strike me as angry, maybe this will set up something in the future.
I really was convinced that Hauser was going to get gunned down (is that how you spell his name?) when he decided to confront his clone brothers. It is odd that some clones weren't effected as much as others, but maybe that's because some of them are earlier generations of clones. I believe the bad batch and omega were all referred to as generation 1 clones. Rex was also a gen 1. That explains why Rex had such erratic and weird behavioral dysfunctions like eye twitching and voice shaking when he turned on Ahsoka in that last season of Clone Wars. I think the first generation of clone troopers have seen a massive decay or failure in chip functionality. The kaminoans obviously did not expect clones to survive, nor did they design them to last. They were designed merely to grow up quickly, fight in a war they did not agree to, and die swiftly from blindly following orders like fleshy droids. Kinda messed up if you think about it. So, the clone's chips themselves only have a shelf life of only a few years most likely.
thats a good theory another theory could be that the chips effects after order 66 is more unique to each clone maybe which could co inside with him being earlier generations i doubt just generation 1, i think it also matters who is your commander whether it be jedi or no force sentasive leaders and their personality and relation with their clones
Idk about the gen 1 thing. It makes sense until you think about the earlier clones that served during Rex’s era such as Commander Fox, Jesse, and Rex’s 501st Torrent company which existed during the beginning stages of the clone wars. Also Commander Cody was a gen 1 clone trooper and didn’t hesitate to gun down Obi Wan with that atte in Revenge of the Sith. It’ll be interesting to see how things play out in the coming episodes and I think in the bad batch we will see the rebellion of the clones on kamino possibly
When howzer just denied to go with the rest and stayed behind to give that speech, I was so scared cause I thought crosshair was going to immediately snipe him mid way through his speech
I'm wondering if howzer watching crosshair from balcony is an easter egg to clone wars season 5 episode 4 where general tandin watches king dendup's execution. Both scenes are pretty similar.
Right. I was reminded of this similarity as well. Crosshair was like Sanjai Rash ordering Saw, Steela, Lux and co to be arrested, and Howzer was up on the balcony, just like General Tandin.
4:38 those "shuttles" are nu class attack shuttles with an extra cargo bay/compartment attached. we see it in the clone wars without that extra cargo container in the clone wars when ashoka gets delivered to anakin on christophsys. and several other times.
I’m getting a Howzer mini figure! So looking forward to it! I hope we see those that followed his action in further detail. There were about 6-7 that followed him. I think I’m gonna have to get the clone shields
I assume Howzer didn’t have a Jedi General stationed with his platoon at the time so none of them got the order, they were just following orders and believing the empire the same way the entire population believed the Jedi had attacked palpatine. The clones that didn’t follow howzer after his speech were probably worried about the consequences of joining him or just deciding it was safer to stay in the empire, possibly to join him later once it’s safe to do so.
Dave is like “oh, you love Rex? Let me introduce you to these 5… oh yea? Like them? Hold my blue milk, meet Howzer, with blue milk armor” Totally awesome. Absolute legend. I really hope he’s going to stick around.
I’m loving Rampart in this episode. He seemed like a typical important Empire person that just gets outwitted and gets annoyed, but he showed at the end that he is much more than any of the other’s we’ve seen in a while. The Bad Batch succeeded due to him falling for their distraction. Most others would blame everyone else. Vader would kill the one in charge, the inquisitors would kill everyone involved, most others in his position would find anyone else to blame and very possibly get them killed. Rampart fully accepted responsibility, saying that HE underestimated the Bad Batch. Then he also doesn’t see Crosshair as a failure here just because he failed to stop the Bad Batch as he was the only one to even be in the right place to try. He instead immediately grants Crosshair’s wish to hunt them down, showing he has faith in him and accepted the defeat was not Crosshair’s fault. I really hope he is still in the rest of the series and hopefully remains a major villain throughout, I can see some major potential for him to actually become a very competent admiral and maybe succeed at some point.
Here is a crazy theory. At the end when the batch is flying away, crosshairs shoots at their ship and misses. I don’t remember him missing ever before this,. Maybe he missed on purpose. Also, he didn’t shoot Howser. Remember, he killed one of his own team when they didn’t follow orders to kill the rebel children instantly. With Howser lined up in his sights committing treason, he doesn’t shoot him either. Now, he asked to go after the batch. Maybe he is doing so to rejoin them. Pursuing the batch on his own, he will be free to choose between his brothers and the empire. Not following orders would be a death sentence for the clones at this point. Odd that Howser asked his team to join him when they will now likely be executed. It was like, “hey, I plan to be executed, want to join me?” Let’s see if crosshairs’ joins the batch as a horrible purge of clones occurs, maybe he somehow saves Howser while rejoining the batch or if he really is loyal to the empire and missed two shots letting his brothers escape. Either way, some the clones are showing free will and nearly all purged in the next 14 years before Rebels series.
The one that he killed wasn't even a clone but a conscript. Also the Bad Batch don't really feel that much kinship with the other clones since their dna differ significantly from the regular clones. The Bad Batch's feeling of kinship are mostly limited to their squad.
ALSOOO another thing: When Hera was doing the transmission to the bad batch for help, it related to A New Hope when Princess Liea was telling Obi Wan your my only hope and her father and stuff
15:14 I don't think Wrecker targeted them for a vague 'enemy of the Empire' thing - he did it because they were in violation of Order 66, they saved Caleb Dume and Tech unfortunately brought it up right while Wrecker was losing the battle against the chip's influence, we see this in Season 7 of Clone Wars when Jesse is going to kill Rex for 'detaining' but not executing Ahsoka Tano. Allies of the Jedi are branded necessary casualties by the order as a means of ensuring it is carried out in full.
Well the ship that you thought was a Y-wing was actually a V-wing, a little detail I guess but... I'm glad that you explained what this episode was about and what were some detail's and Easter eggs that were in it. I'm really looking forward to see what's gonna happened next in the next episode, also I'm kind of getting the feeling that Howzer might sacrifice himself to save whoever or might get shot by crosshair, oh and I don't know if you noticed but at the end of the episode crosshair made this face. After the speech that Howzer made something got into crosshairs head and I guess he realized that what he was doing was wrong also and I think the reason why crosshair what's to go after the bad batch was to probably talked to them or help them I guess because it seems like crosshair might come back to the light and be with his squad again but we'll have to see in the next episode.
ffs. They were discussing "Order 66" & "the Jedi" when Wrecker's chip activated. Trigger words + the knowledge that they let Kaleb go is what caused his hostility. The Order targets force users & anyone who defends them.
I honestly think crosshair will eventually regain his free will, it would be intresting to see his artificial loyalty wear off some point in the series, maybe he could continue to be on the side of the empire for a while but he begins to realise what is happening to him, it could be cool to see a scene of him having his inhibitors boosted again, only to have someone like omega have faith in him, like luke to Vader in episode 6. I think it would make sense for him to regain his freewill, in a narrative sense as well, it would be the nail in the coffin for the clones in tarkins eyes, seeing that their fake loyalty is faltering, either way I want him to be redeemed, it would be cool to watch
I think Hunter looking back at Howzer was him thinking about Crosshair. Howzer had the opportunity to abandon his men to save his own life but he chose to stay behind and try to reach them. Hunter can't help but see himself here where he left Crosshair behind. Granted, he really had no choice at the time because Crosshair was trying to shoot them and so were the other troopers. They had to escape. But since they understood what the inhibitor chips did and know that the clones have no choice, Hunter realized that Crosshair is a captive of the Empire. So Howzer staying for his men, makes Hunter think about Crosshair and the possibility of rescuing him.
4:43 looks more like a V-Wing. Shortly after Order 66 they mainly used those as seen at the end of Revenge of the Sith. Precursor to the TIE Fighter as I think both ships are made by Sienar.
Captain howzer now a legend and the other clones who stood with him shows us that are still good clones I got chills watching that I love the clones even more
I love the Clone Troopers. It broke my heart when they turned on the Jedi in Episode III and in the Clone Wars finale. So it's satisfying to me to see Clones like Howzer reassert their free will.
I actually have a Easter egg u didnt mention: So when Tech and Wrecker was on the Havoc Maruader, the ship went really fast by using this thuster thingy. Then just when the reached the torrent they instantly turned around and Wrecker shot the torrent. This relates back to the beginning of The Last Jedi, when Poe Dameron. Also went really fast and instantly turned around.
I think the reason howzer is disobeying orders is because the initial order of order 66 is so strong that no clone can resist it (this would explain wrecker as he had not yet experienced order 66) but then over time the clones may begin to have stronger control over their thoughts. Also for those who might wonder about crosshair, at the beginning of the show they talk about enhancing his inhibitor chip and they probably made the connection too strong, as evident by the fact that he shot down one of his own soldiers
the whole 30 seconds of crosshairs face at the end of the episode may have shown him thinking to himself about what hes doing and his chip may be wearing off a little
Crosshair fired twice and missed at a slow moving ship... he missed? ...then took his helmet off, and Hunter turned and saw him.... I think Crosshair's chip was damaged when the engine blast hit him...
Idk about how conscripts are gonna be more loyal than the clones as humans and other people have more independent thinking than the clones. Already when we saw one of the Crosshair men already disobeyed the order. The only reason why the others didn't do the same is that they rather not get shot by him and even if they did fight back, they would probably be claimed as traitors. Plus having conscripts and only conscripts would be very problematic since you would need to check up on them so they wouldn't step out of line, sure clones tend to disobey orders. But for the right and selfless cause compare to the constrips. but that's just my thoughts.
I think the "isn't that what soldiers are supposed to do" is brilliant. It shows hunter has been so preoccupied with all this other chaos and bullshit that he forgot his purpose in life and reason for living, to protect the people of the republic over his own life
I think the reason Howzer and his men didn't blindly follow orders is because their inhibitor chips were never activated. The purpose behind Order 66 was to kill the Jedi, so if Howzer and his troopers were stationed on Ryloth without a Jedi general, Palpatine would've had no reason to call Howzer. As far as why not all of the clones listened to him, my guess is that they either personally didn't want to take a stand against the empire, or that they were some of the troops that came to Ryloth along with the weapons shipments. Although it's unlikely, it would be really cool if they broke Howzer out of imperial prison and let him join the squad (after removing his unactivated inhibitor chip of course). Just a theory of mine, but I haven't done extensive research about this stuff, so I could be wrong about some things.
It makes since hunter would slightly take in account what omega thinks because she probably beat him in space chess Since you know she is good a strategy
Another thing i realised is in admiral thronez room there is a helmat od commander Gree maybe cuz thron liked grees fashination with alien species or having an incounter with yoda on kashykk during order 66
I really think that since Howzer didn’t serve with a Jedi on ryloth order 66 didn’t affect him as much as it would have a regular clone, and since his chip didn’t activate to the same level as it normally would have, he still had more independence which he then influenced on the other clones
Anyone notice how he misses all his shots on the Bad Batch’s ship at the end. Before this, he has hit all his shots and I’m pretty sure that this is the first time that Crosshair missed all his shots. I can guess this also influences him to hunt down the bad batch, as he misses all his shots on their ship so it didn’t go down, but has a part deep inside him that wants to see his brothers peacefully again.
Maybe Twileks give of something that naturaly deactivates the chips, when exposed to it for a long time. That would explain how Cut, Howzer and the other clones on Ryloth are unaffected by it. Some Clones would still work for the empire, if they had the choice, as they don't know (yet) about everything it has done and will do.
People survive shots to the head a lot actually. Its the swelling that usually kills them or if the bullet hits nearer the brainstem, both of which are probably not an issue here.
Omega: Isn’t that what soldiers do? 🥺
Hunter: Good Soldiers Follow Orders
Good guys wear white
Lol
Ay it's a you!
Haha
Haha
The reason why ryloth was starving in the Clone Wars was because Orn Free Taa ate all the food.
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So true 😄
It was all in preparation so his body fat could absorb a bullet
@@atrashlemon7735 what good is a fat body if you get shot in the head 😂
“Well, I thought it was obvious.”
-Tech
Have you ever hear the tragedy of captain Howzer the wise?
I thought not, it's not a story the empire will tell you
It's a clone legend
Captain Howzer is a clone captain of the republic
so powerful and so wise he could deactivate inhibitor chips
Crosshair probably used a lower power setting on his blaster and that’s how he survived. That was probably the plan
@Peter Reid the senator was too thicc to be left alive
Or he was just so dumb, that there was no brain there to shoot
Yeah, he also hit him more in the leku than the head I think.
@Peter Reid *thick. “Thicc” is something else…
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My theory on Howser and the other clones. In the 6th season of TCW Tupp’s chip activated prematurely and not only began to deteriorate, but even fail at times. My guess is that the chips burn themselves out or stop signaling after a time as evidenced by the deterioration shown by Tupp’s chip. We know from Tupp that the chips weren’t as foolproof as intended and that personality can conflict even with an aggressive reaction like Tupp’s. The chips likely use bio-electricity to function, but in order to not harm the clone trooper they can only work this way for a limited period of time before running out of juice and deactivating. In the case of Howser, he has spent years in social and tactical situations that did not favor his programming and thus his brain reinforced his personality over the programming because that is what was being used more often. Considering clones age twice as fast, this means that the brain may actually imbed these behavioral patterns very strongly due to having half the time to reprioritize behavioral patterns, creating stronger opposition to programming the longer a clone lives, especially when living away from organized environments where the programming would be behaviorally reinforced.
...SCIENCE!!!
Holy crap. U had a lot of time to think about this
That's pretty much my theory too. Just a bit less sciencey
But,.what about rex?
I’ll be honest, I think Crosshair is starting to defect or at least question his loyalty to the Empire. Two reasons for this. One, his burn mark is on the right side of his head, where his inhibitor chip is. Two, when Howzer made his speech about the occupation of Ryloth, Crosshair ordered him to be arrested, instead of taking his head off. He’s done worse for little like executing his own men then executing civies. Lemme know what you think.
Its a difference in situation I fear. For the civis they had ORDERS there that were violated by the shot trooper. For howzer.....he did not violate any orders and also exemples don'T work too good on clones. Thus no need to kill those.
He also had slight hesitation moment also with cross hair and the others in there prospective its like the bad batch and jedi betrayed them they think that they are the evil ones due to the chip making them not question anything
@@tome7998 actually the recruit gave orders to the other recruits to capture them but their mission was to kill them and here their mission was to kill the batch and capture Cham but Howzer stopped them. What Howzer did was far worse than what the recruit so he has a point.
The burn mark is near the back of his head.
Yeah, the look on his face at the end makes me think Howzer’s speech really got to him
Wrecker tried to kill them bc as his chip was activating Hunter and Rex said they help the padawan escape and they also said the words order 66, that why when wrecker attack he said “you are in violation of order 66”
Yeah
I think order 66 just made the clones want to kill Jedi, but it didn’t make them more docile. I think they were already genetically modified to follow orders
thnx for writing this comment cuz i was about to do so
Exactly. During that scene I was anxious because they were talking about it in Wrecker's hearing and he was already hanging by a thread. I kept thinking, "shut up! You can talk about this after you get the chip out of his head."
@@ViolettaVie same
Nope even before they met Rex, Wrecker's chip is already starting to act up, just not in full. Remember when he was constantly complaining about the headache.
if you look at crosshair's face at the end you can point out something different in his expression he doesnt seem like the cold blooded killer he was in the first eps but anyway i just want to have some faith in him
Same
Me too, he was one of my favorite clones of the Bad Batch.
To add on your idea, when houser was saying his speech instead of shooting him he kept his gun lowered, also if I remember correctly he didn’t even give the order to arrest them
@@Floatz19 crosshair did give the order but didnt shoot
@@sdasthen8487 ya srry I didn’t remember correctly
Something I noticed when I watched the episode was that the move that Tech used when they were destroying the turbo lasers, was the drift from Star Wars Squadrons. Thought that was pretty cool how they added that
Tech is very underrated but i like him most
Maybe since Howzer is a phase one clone, the other clones that dropped their weapons are also phase one and the ones who took them in are newer clones, with a stronger inhibitor chip? 🤔
That does make sense.
Maybe but Jesse was also a phase one clone and when Rex tried to convince him it didn't work but maybe you right and it's only specifically happening right now
@@justsomeguywithamustache8447 yeah, but Jesse was also in front of a Jedi, so maybe it’s amplified around Jedi, but a little less without Jedi? Which still is stretch after saying out loud lmao
@@justsomeguywithamustache8447 Jesse was actively trying to execute order 66, same as someone like cody, whereas howzer wasn't
Or it's a plot hole. Cause it's not only Howzer that committed treason but the clones under him as well. Cut Lawquane not executing Oder 66 is easy to explain as him being a defective close as he has exhibited deviant behavior from the very beginning, like not feeling any loyalty to the Republic. Howzer wasn't like that, he was a just a regular clone, just like Rex, and Cody at which we know can be under complete control of the chip.
I noticed crosshair's phrasing "hunt down clone force 99" and not "kill clone force 99" probably nothing but I did notice it
Rex better go save that brother ASAP!
I think maybe the look hunter gave Howser at the end was foreshadowing him telling Rex about him…maybe…or at least I really hope so, would be absolute beautiful cinematics to see Rex and Howser fighting side by side
@@CASTRO7n yes
@@CASTRO7n oh yeah
Why didnt the bad batch say anything about howser??
I assume the way the senator survived is that crosshair is so precise he misses all vital organs
He has too meat and grease in his body for a shot, even if a nexu bites his neck he would survive. It’s the ultimate defense.
@@hectorvizsla87 fried nuna leg man is a genius
@@hectorvizsla87 lmfao imagine Orn Free Taa gettin bit by a nexu and he’s just like “MY GOO! My PRECIOUS GOO!!”
Oh yeah no doubt, Don, no doubt
He appears in the Lords of the Sith novel which is like 5 years after
When rampart and howzer are walking in that clone trooper has no shoulder pad at time stamp 2:32
Order 66 hit him harder than others
Maybe he just didn’t have time to fully equip all 18 pieces of armor, slept in late
Wouldn't be a clone wars continuation if there wasn't an animation mistake/inconsistency.
And now he'll be doing 50 push-ups for wearing incomplete uniform on duty... Dude, uncool
Also at 4:47
Howzer is my fave clone in armor design and he is also very courageous. But Rex is still awesome.
Crosshair face at the end kinda shows how he is confused, i think he also is starting to realize how something just isint right and if what the point of all his doing is for, i think howzer really affected him
I noticed that too
Can we just appreciate how much the visuals have improved since season one of Clone Wars?
Oh yeah
Does anyone still hold out a little hope for Crosshair? Also, I think that Crosshair is still a villain, but he might at least still love his brothers. Maybe.
i feel like hes to far gone. to the point where hes literally requesting to hunt and kill them as if hed enjoy it
Didn‘t he straight up ask to hunt them? I know becouse of the chip he must obey orders but he is passionate about it and even takes actions to take em done himself
@@navas.s9321 have you guys not noticed the signs yet? It keeps showing subtle hints that he misses his brothers the scene in their old bunk room the scene where he misses the shot on the ship but looks conflicted about the whole situation.. then he specifically requests to “hunt” them down I think crosshair will begin the mission get captured by bad batch and either have his chip removed or they will find out that the damage from the ships exhaust has burned the chip in his brain and removing it will kill him.
Redemption is one of core themes of Star Wars so it is surely a possibility
I have hope for Crosshair. Yes, he’s done some terrible things, but so did Darth Vader and Kylo Ren, and they got redeemed.
During the meeting between Howzer, Crosshair, and Admiral Rampart at 10:00, I noticed that as Crosshair leaves the room Howzer gets out of his way. And through the episode whenever they looked at eachother it didn’t strike me as angry, maybe this will set up something in the future.
I really was convinced that Hauser was going to get gunned down (is that how you spell his name?) when he decided to confront his clone brothers. It is odd that some clones weren't effected as much as others, but maybe that's because some of them are earlier generations of clones. I believe the bad batch and omega were all referred to as generation 1 clones. Rex was also a gen 1. That explains why Rex had such erratic and weird behavioral dysfunctions like eye twitching and voice shaking when he turned on Ahsoka in that last season of Clone Wars. I think the first generation of clone troopers have seen a massive decay or failure in chip functionality. The kaminoans obviously did not expect clones to survive, nor did they design them to last. They were designed merely to grow up quickly, fight in a war they did not agree to, and die swiftly from blindly following orders like fleshy droids. Kinda messed up if you think about it. So, the clone's chips themselves only have a shelf life of only a few years most likely.
It's Howzer. Good theory though.
thats a good theory another theory could be that the chips effects after order 66 is more unique to each clone maybe which could co inside with him being earlier generations i doubt just generation 1, i think it also matters who is your commander whether it be jedi or no force sentasive leaders and their personality and relation with their clones
thats the German way to spell his name
hmm, good theory. actually would make alot of sence as well!
Idk about the gen 1 thing. It makes sense until you think about the earlier clones that served during Rex’s era such as Commander Fox, Jesse, and Rex’s 501st Torrent company which existed during the beginning stages of the clone wars. Also Commander Cody was a gen 1 clone trooper and didn’t hesitate to gun down Obi Wan with that atte in Revenge of the Sith. It’ll be interesting to see how things play out in the coming episodes and I think in the bad batch we will see the rebellion of the clones on kamino possibly
When howzer just denied to go with the rest and stayed behind to give that speech, I was so scared cause I thought crosshair was going to immediately snipe him mid way through his speech
I'm wondering if howzer watching crosshair from balcony is an easter egg to clone wars season 5 episode 4 where general tandin watches king dendup's execution. Both scenes are pretty similar.
Right. I was reminded of this similarity as well. Crosshair was like Sanjai Rash ordering Saw, Steela, Lux and co to be arrested, and Howzer was up on the balcony, just like General Tandin.
I think (I hope) howzer will become part of the bad batch by the end of the series
Or he'll be one of the clones that joins the rebellion as it's referenced that several did
I’m hoping for a clone rebellion made up of the bad batch (maybe even Crosshair 🤞), Rex, Howzer, Gregor, and Wolfe
There's one small detail you forgot, Hera mentioned that Tech showed her how to scramble a ships signature, something that she does a lot of in Rebels
Favorite clone ever... His hair dude? HAVE YOU SEEN HIS HAIR??!
4:38 those "shuttles" are nu class attack shuttles with an extra cargo bay/compartment attached. we see it in the clone wars without that extra cargo container in the clone wars when ashoka gets delivered to anakin on christophsys. and several other times.
I'm preety sure i butchered chrystophsis, or however you spell it. lol
It’s called a nu-class assault shuttle
I read the comment and was about to comment you are big brain, then i raid your name XD
i call it a republic attack shuttle
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I’m getting a Howzer mini figure! So looking forward to it! I hope we see those that followed his action in further detail. There were about 6-7 that followed him. I think I’m gonna have to get the clone shields
I dont know if this is an Easter egg but at 4:59 that hangar looks like Ahsoka's hood
I assume Howzer didn’t have a Jedi General stationed with his platoon at the time so none of them got the order, they were just following orders and believing the empire the same way the entire population believed the Jedi had attacked palpatine. The clones that didn’t follow howzer after his speech were probably worried about the consequences of joining him or just deciding it was safer to stay in the empire, possibly to join him later once it’s safe to do so.
I thought the senator died but Rampart lied about him surviving to the public
Same
He’s in the Lords of the Sith novel, which is canon and takes place a couple years after Bad Batch, so as much as I hate to say this, he survived
Dave is like “oh, you love Rex? Let me introduce you to these 5… oh yea? Like them? Hold my blue milk, meet Howzer, with blue milk armor”
Totally awesome. Absolute legend. I really hope he’s going to stick around.
when hera sense the message it is like when leia in a new hope
I’m loving Rampart in this episode. He seemed like a typical important Empire person that just gets outwitted and gets annoyed, but he showed at the end that he is much more than any of the other’s we’ve seen in a while.
The Bad Batch succeeded due to him falling for their distraction. Most others would blame everyone else. Vader would kill the one in charge, the inquisitors would kill everyone involved, most others in his position would find anyone else to blame and very possibly get them killed.
Rampart fully accepted responsibility, saying that HE underestimated the Bad Batch. Then he also doesn’t see Crosshair as a failure here just because he failed to stop the Bad Batch as he was the only one to even be in the right place to try. He instead immediately grants Crosshair’s wish to hunt them down, showing he has faith in him and accepted the defeat was not Crosshair’s fault. I really hope he is still in the rest of the series and hopefully remains a major villain throughout, I can see some major potential for him to actually become a very competent admiral and maybe succeed at some point.
Here is a crazy theory. At the end when the batch is flying away, crosshairs shoots at their ship and misses. I don’t remember him missing ever before this,. Maybe he missed on purpose. Also, he didn’t shoot Howser. Remember, he killed one of his own team when they didn’t follow orders to kill the rebel children instantly. With Howser lined up in his sights committing treason, he doesn’t shoot him either. Now, he asked to go after the batch. Maybe he is doing so to rejoin them. Pursuing the batch on his own, he will be free to choose between his brothers and the empire.
Not following orders would be a death sentence for the clones at this point. Odd that Howser asked his team to join him when they will now likely be executed. It was like, “hey, I plan to be executed, want to join me?” Let’s see if crosshairs’ joins the batch as a horrible purge of clones occurs, maybe he somehow saves Howser while rejoining the batch or if he really is loyal to the empire and missed two shots letting his brothers escape. Either way, some the clones are showing free will and nearly all purged in the next 14 years before Rebels series.
I like this theory
The one that he killed wasn't even a clone but a conscript. Also the Bad Batch don't really feel that much kinship with the other clones since their dna differ significantly from the regular clones. The Bad Batch's feeling of kinship are mostly limited to their squad.
4:36 is actually V-Wing
@Bombastic The shuttles name that you don´t know at 4:38 is "Nu Class Attack Shuttle" and was used also during the Clone Wars.
I think rampart was lying about Taa still being alive. Propaganda at its finest.
He appears later in canon tho
@@Dakarai_Knight he does? I was not aware of that. Well RIP my theory lol.
@@beardedbison27 Yea, he appears in the lord's of the sith Novel 5 years later
ALSOOO another thing: When Hera was doing the transmission to the bad batch for help, it related to A New Hope when Princess Liea was telling Obi Wan your my only hope and her father and stuff
Yes!
2:55 I like the way you explain everything in your video's!! Its the best :D
You know why Orn fee taa survived,he has so much skin because he eats so much so it doesn’t go through
"Good soldier follow order"
Howzer: "NO it isn’t"
1:07 that sound effect killed
i think the title of thise episode is a reference to the episode in season 1 "liberty of ryloth"
Wrecker was attacking them because he knew they aided and imbedded a fugitive Jedi, which is what order 66 covers.
4:35
v wing: *AM I A JOKE TO YOU*
Captain Howzer is definitely my new favorite clone
13:11 Wrecker jumps into Omega's bedroom woah buddy chill
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Howzer’s speech makes him one of my fav characters
Yes
15:14 I don't think Wrecker targeted them for a vague 'enemy of the Empire' thing - he did it because they were in violation of Order 66, they saved Caleb Dume and Tech unfortunately brought it up right while Wrecker was losing the battle against the chip's influence, we see this in Season 7 of Clone Wars when Jesse is going to kill Rex for 'detaining' but not executing Ahsoka Tano. Allies of the Jedi are branded necessary casualties by the order as a means of ensuring it is carried out in full.
Well the ship that you thought was a Y-wing was actually a V-wing, a little detail I guess but... I'm glad that you explained what this episode was about and what were some detail's and Easter eggs that were in it. I'm really looking forward to see what's gonna happened next in the next episode, also I'm kind of getting the feeling that Howzer might sacrifice himself to save whoever or might get shot by crosshair, oh and I don't know if you noticed but at the end of the episode crosshair made this face. After the speech that Howzer made something got into crosshairs head and I guess he realized that what he was doing was wrong also and I think the reason why crosshair what's to go after the bad batch was to probably talked to them or help them I guess because it seems like crosshair might come back to the light and be with his squad again but we'll have to see in the next episode.
ffs. They were discussing "Order 66" & "the Jedi" when Wrecker's chip activated. Trigger words + the knowledge that they let Kaleb go is what caused his hostility. The Order targets force users & anyone who defends them.
Those shuttles are called Nu-class attack/transport shuttle
I love the sentimental manipulation of Omega. Only a child can be so manipulative xD
I have a new favourite clone. HOWZER
I think the order is incredibly strong at first and then slowly gives control back to the clones over time
I honestly think crosshair will eventually regain his free will, it would be intresting to see his artificial loyalty wear off some point in the series, maybe he could continue to be on the side of the empire for a while but he begins to realise what is happening to him, it could be cool to see a scene of him having his inhibitors boosted again, only to have someone like omega have faith in him, like luke to Vader in episode 6. I think it would make sense for him to regain his freewill, in a narrative sense as well, it would be the nail in the coffin for the clones in tarkins eyes, seeing that their fake loyalty is faltering, either way I want him to be redeemed, it would be cool to watch
lol i just watched that episode from season 1 and just realized how it ties with the bad batch! Dave Filoni is a genius!
The drift that tech did seemed like it was from Star Wars squadrons
I think Hunter looking back at Howzer was him thinking about Crosshair. Howzer had the opportunity to abandon his men to save his own life but he chose to stay behind and try to reach them. Hunter can't help but see himself here where he left Crosshair behind. Granted, he really had no choice at the time because Crosshair was trying to shoot them and so were the other troopers. They had to escape. But since they understood what the inhibitor chips did and know that the clones have no choice, Hunter realized that Crosshair is a captive of the Empire. So Howzer staying for his men, makes Hunter think about Crosshair and the possibility of rescuing him.
Captain Rex is still my favorite clone, now Captain Holzer is now my second favorite
My top 3 clones
1. Rex
2. Fives
3. Howzer
I think the animation in this episode was the best yet. They just move so clean and realistic!
Bombastic: gets shot in the leku
Me: dude thats fat
4:43 looks more like a V-Wing. Shortly after Order 66 they mainly used those as seen at the end of Revenge of the Sith. Precursor to the TIE Fighter as I think both ships are made by Sienar.
I have hope that next episode crosshairs will have his chip removed
I don’t think that will happen, but I really hope it does 🤞🤞🤞
I was so happy when Howzer gave his speech. His resistance to Order 66 might mean that Omega Squad and Kal Skirata might Ben possible.
Captain howzer now a legend and the other clones who stood with him shows us that are still good clones I got chills watching that I love the clones even more
Captain Howzer you are a bold one
I love the Clone Troopers. It broke my heart when they turned on the Jedi in Episode III and in the Clone Wars finale. So it's satisfying to me to see Clones like Howzer reassert their free will.
I actually have a Easter egg u didnt mention: So when Tech and Wrecker was on the Havoc Maruader, the ship went really fast by using this thuster thingy. Then just when the reached the torrent they instantly turned around and Wrecker shot the torrent. This relates back to the beginning of The Last Jedi, when Poe Dameron. Also went really fast and instantly turned around.
Oh wow, I didn’t notice that before. That’s really cool!
Dude Taa appears in the Lords of The Sith novel
I think the reason howzer is disobeying orders is because the initial order of order 66 is so strong that no clone can resist it (this would explain wrecker as he had not yet experienced order 66) but then over time the clones may begin to have stronger control over their thoughts. Also for those who might wonder about crosshair, at the beginning of the show they talk about enhancing his inhibitor chip and they probably made the connection too strong, as evident by the fact that he shot down one of his own soldiers
the whole 30 seconds of crosshairs face at the end of the episode may have shown him thinking to himself about what hes doing and his chip may be wearing off a little
4:35 What you think is a Y-wing is actually a Alpha-3 Nimbus V-wing class interceptor
Judging by the way that both hunter and crosshairs looked at howzer, they must have met him sometime during the clone wars.
U missed were tech tought Hera how to make the scramble mechanism for the ghost.
Crosshair fired twice and missed at a slow moving ship... he missed? ...then took his helmet off, and Hunter turned and saw him.... I think Crosshair's chip was damaged when the engine blast hit him...
I was honestly expecting crosshair to dome howzer tbh
Idk about how conscripts are gonna be more loyal than the clones as humans and other people have more independent thinking than the clones. Already when we saw one of the Crosshair men already disobeyed the order. The only reason why the others didn't do the same is that they rather not get shot by him and even if they did fight back, they would probably be claimed as traitors. Plus having conscripts and only conscripts would be very problematic since you would need to check up on them so they wouldn't step out of line, sure clones tend to disobey orders. But for the right and selfless cause compare to the constrips. but that's just my thoughts.
7:40 I just realized that is Shaeeah, aka, Cuts daughter in the middle. She's got the same birthmarks and everything
I think the "isn't that what soldiers are supposed to do" is brilliant. It shows hunter has been so preoccupied with all this other chaos and bullshit that he forgot his purpose in life and reason for living, to protect the people of the republic over his own life
I think that ship at 4:43 is a v-wing
I think the reason Howzer and his men didn't blindly follow orders is because their inhibitor chips were never activated. The purpose behind Order 66 was to kill the Jedi, so if Howzer and his troopers were stationed on Ryloth without a Jedi general, Palpatine would've had no reason to call Howzer. As far as why not all of the clones listened to him, my guess is that they either personally didn't want to take a stand against the empire, or that they were some of the troops that came to Ryloth along with the weapons shipments. Although it's unlikely, it would be really cool if they broke Howzer out of imperial prison and let him join the squad (after removing his unactivated inhibitor chip of course). Just a theory of mine, but I haven't done extensive research about this stuff, so I could be wrong about some things.
Howzer is already one of my favorite clones. Hope to see more of him 🤞🤞🤞
Wait hang on, Hera is supposed to be 10 years old in this…
Species age differently.
Twi’leks age the same as humans
@@Kempkes10 Twi’leks age can he same why humans do
Twieleks don't live as long.
@@Kempkes10 their average lifespan is shorter by four years I wouldn’t call that them living radically shorter lives
It makes since hunter would slightly take in account what omega thinks because she probably beat him in space chess
Since you know she is good a strategy
I think that Crosshair has some doubts about the Empire now
Same
I really hope Howzer joins the bad batch, he’s so cool!
Me too
@Bombastic, I think the white female in crosshair's squad is Iden Versio, from SWBF2.
Is it just me, or does Houser’s armour colour look like an aqua crayon scribble!!!
point 33, the empire requires a lot of documents to be signed as Rampart appears to have 4 blue pens in his top pockets ( 2 per side.)
Another thing i realised is in admiral thronez room there is a helmat od commander Gree maybe cuz thron liked grees fashination with alien species or having an incounter with yoda on kashykk during order 66
When I watched the episode when housa walked out and started talking I thought cross hair would snipe
Same I was so scared
I really think that since Howzer didn’t serve with a Jedi on ryloth order 66 didn’t affect him as much as it would have a regular clone, and since his chip didn’t activate to the same level as it normally would have, he still had more independence which he then influenced on the other clones
Can't believe you didn't mention the squadrons-esque drift the tech does in their ship
Anyone notice how he misses all his shots on the Bad Batch’s ship at the end. Before this, he has hit all his shots and I’m pretty sure that this is the first time that Crosshair missed all his shots. I can guess this also influences him to hunt down the bad batch, as he misses all his shots on their ship so it didn’t go down, but has a part deep inside him that wants to see his brothers peacefully again.
Maybe Twileks give of something that naturaly deactivates the chips, when exposed to it for a long time. That would explain how Cut, Howzer and the other clones on Ryloth are unaffected by it. Some Clones would still work for the empire, if they had the choice, as they don't know (yet) about everything it has done and will do.
I have two theories, first being that gen 1 clones have their chips degrading? Second being the length of time since heat order 66?
People survive shots to the head a lot actually. Its the swelling that usually kills them or if the bullet hits nearer the brainstem, both of which are probably not an issue here.