@@ashleydavis1611 my mind immediately went to the Wormwoods in Matilda, and for wildly different reasons they could be equally placed in top and bottom tier. Also it'd be funny to throw in the parents from Rent in there and have the representative image just be an answering machine.
I was actually rooting for Alexander and Eliza but purely because of Eliza. She deserves to have her love reciprocated and to be treated with the same love she gives Alexander. She's such an amazing woman so i was rooting for them to fix their relationship and for Alexander to change for Eliza and the kids, but the moment Alexander changed and realized his mistakes he died wtf at least let them be happy 😭
You should do this again with more couples!!! I’d love to hear your thoughts on couples like Jenna and Dr.Pottimer (waitress), Anastasia and Dmitri (Anastasia), Tracy Turnblad and Link (hairspray), Penny and Seaweed (hairspray), and Evan Hansen and Zoe (dear Evan Hansen).
Ryan is so valid for shipping Alexander and Angelica (from the POV of the musical I’m not talking about historical accuracy) Eliza was just a perfect house wife for him but I think Angelica would’ve been such a better intellectual match for him not that Eliza wasn’t intelligent she just wanted to find love whereas Angelica wanted to see change in the country same as Alexander I think if she stayed in America and her and Alexander fought for these things together they could’ve done so much
I do wonder what they would have accomplished together. But at the same time, Eliza is basically the reason we know of him as much as we do, not to mention all the other things she did and the other people she recognized. Alexander and Angelica easily could have just burnt each other out. Eliza was the stable force that Alexander needed to keep coherent, after a life of instability. Consider what a hot-head he was. It's shocking he didn't die during a duel much earlier. Or just work himself to death. She was the reason he was the man he became, even though it seemed like she was in the background. Also, historically, I'm pretty sure Angelica was already married when they all met.
I am personally a huge Kristanna lover! Kristoff: a guy who doesn’t show his emotions too much and often pushes his more vulnerable emotions away. Anna who isn’t scared to show her emotions and would do anything for those she cares for. They’re perfect because of the lack of type of love and nurturing they both needed growing up. Yes, Kristoff’s troll family was supportive and loving but he didn’t have humans to bond with, and so he was left with a little bit of an attitude towards most people. Anna was shut away all her life and the only thing she desperately wanted was human connection. I don’t know, their stories crossing were meant to be and i just love their characters together.
the issue with eliza/hamilton is that their relationship is based on a true story, set in a time period where Eliza was just trying to do right by her children, and so it's not really asking us to root for them at all, it's just trying to present every aspect of their relationship and each of their personal and shared traumas. It doesn't quite fit with the other couples because it wasn't scripted by someone in that way :)
Yes! Emmett and Elle are so great and that show doesn't get nearly enough love! The only change I would make would be putting Alexander and Eliza in rooting for you or possibly power duet. Their reconciliation is just so beautifully done that it wins me back over.
Personal theory no one asked for: simple envy. It's clear Aaron and Ryan both get typecast as the sometimes sweet, sometimes broody heartthrob (both JD and Christian were even originated as roles by the same person, on the West End), and Aaron has been in the business longer and, to this day, gets more recognition for it in the Broadway community. I'm also guilty of this when it comes to certain famous/local musicians, being one myself, so I wouldn't blame Ryan too much for it, but I feel that at some point game should recognize game. I see their point about him being a little too sexy for certain roles tho, Gabe from N2N comes to mind.
Personally I absolutely love Moulin Rouge broadway (more than the movie) so I am so curious as to why they don’t! Also curious as to why Ryan doesn’t like Aaron, because I just think he is amazing!
I love this and need a part 2! A few shows to add: Waitress, Les Mis, Spring Awakening. I’d love to hear your thoughts on those shows and their couples. 👍🏼😁
honestly i wasnt a big fan of anna and kristoff in the movies, but the musical changed my opinion. i love how they start off butting heads, and what do you know about love is so good. and then kristoff's lullaby really sold it for me
I think a funny tier list would be ranking trendy things people do in LA that aren't as common other places. Examples: eating avocado toast or green juice, going to the super popular restaurants like Nobu, the casual stance on cosmetic procedures/the pressure of appearance, the nightlife scene, looking for photo ops everywhere you go, always going to "events", etc.
This may need to be made into 2 parts, but can we get a tier list of musicals that are adaptations of movies that we love so much? With the ranking list being (hypothetically): Leave It Alone (an adaptation that should not have happened), Missed the Point (they definitely put in a valiant effort and it has similar elements, but it didn't quite hit the mark), Different But I Like It (pretty self explanatory; doesn't give the same feelings as the film did but it's still enjoyable), Impressive (probably went in with low expectations but were very surprised and impressed and overall did a pretty good job), and Standing Ovation (self explanatory). With musicals like Beetlejuice, Legally Blonde, Heathers, Mary Poppins, Shrek, Mean Girls, etc.
First: I absolutely LOVE the theatre tier list videos, they're awesome! Second: I definitely agree with the choices you guys made, but I also had the Falsettos couples in the back of my mid the entire time 🤣 Anyone thinking of other couples? And yes, I am aware that it doesn't encompass all of theatre before anyone says anything. Not a complaint, just genuine curiosity of what everyone else thought.
Thank you for calling out the problematic couples! As a person who was dealing with a stalker when the Phantom of the Opera movie came out, I am so sick of people stanning a literal villain.
Haha lmao I'm so impressed by how far you've come! We really appreciate your hard work and effort to make these videos!!! You are an amazing, talented people... we appreciate you so much!!!
A Couple of Ideas that may be good for TierList but maybe betters as brackets: - Opening Acts of Musicals (Or Finales or the Act One Closing. All are good options) - Chris Pratt Roles - Portrayals of Mental Health in Movies/Tv
The ONE thing I will say about JD is that I did lose my brother when I was a teenager and I can definitely sympathize. OBVIOUSLY I am not supporting homocide and all the other shitty stuff he does. But he does lose the only stable person in his life and then finally finds someone else namely Veronica to trust and that can form some attachment issues (obviously with JD it's really exaggerated) that's it
the musical is based on the film and also the character of Christian he is a romantic, creative, a gifted writer and extremely emotional just like in the Broadway musical. The duke is actually the antagonist in the musical and also in the film
I know this isn't related to the video but I performed "meant to be yours" in my school and it was amazing for me, I think it wasn't for the rest of the school.
Absolutely love the Tier lists! Love ur content. Y’all are great. Also…I think jd and Veronica deserve a standing ovation for how problematic they are. A video idea that I think would be cool would be ranking the people y’all have worked with as actors in theater or television
I was honestly SO confused when I saw Wicked on stage for the first time. I had only ever listened to the Broadway album. I was hyper-focused because I didn't want to miss anything! The running commentary in my head: "OH YAY! Fiyero and Elphaba meet! AW cute they can't stand each other! *me waiting for the character relationship development* Wait. They're singing As Long As Your Mine... WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN!? Did I miss something!? When did HE fall in love with HER!?🧐🧐" 😂😂😂
🎶Creepy Stalker, hiding in the shadows makes girl sing using way too much vibra-a-a--ato. Is he there to hurt her or be her vocal teacher, and why does it always happen late at night? How did this ever seem alright?🎶 Phantom of the Opera in a nutshell (btw this is a parody of Music of the Night by Straight No Chaser)
Definitely. I checked out a few pre-audition description things (idk what they're called) where it's a description of the character and the vocal abilities the hypothetical actor has to have, yeah, JD always has "attractive" or similar adjectives im his description.
i know nobody cares but I was watching a random guess the musical and when I saw ryan as hans I screamed “OH MY GOD THATS RYAN MCCARTAN” in the middle of math. my teacher was very concerned.
Found your videos in early January and since then, I am ADDICTED! ♥️ I would love to find the points you allocate to the tiers (in every tier video) in the description box as I sometimes can not understand / place the point. This might be me not being English / American or just starting to live musical theater. But it would sure help. Thank you ❤
omg fr fr when you guys were listing the couples who enjoy musical theatre the first thing that came to mind were the Lincolns- (and then ryan said it)
I completely ship Erik (Phantom)/Christine. I LOVE them as a couple so, so much. In fact, all of my Phantom of the Opera books are about them being a couple(getting engaged, getting married having kids, etc…). Also, I have a hat that says, “Raoul Should Have Died. Phantom Forever” I have pictures of them on my iPad and I read fan fictions about them all the time. By the way, I also completely ship Fiyero/Elphaba.
If you ever do make another couples tier list, I’d love to see Evan and Zoe from DEH, Jeremy and Brooke/Christine from BMC, and May and Francois from & Juliet. amazing video! musical theater ships would also be a fun one lmao (prepare to unleash war in the comments)
Ryan: I'm Alex/Angelica. Also Ryan: "Girl, come on. Forgiveness is a thing." Love it! Also, did Sam just say "The bull soup"? Because if she did, I love it and I'm taking it. Haha!
the duke in the film wanted to kill Christian in the movie but not in the musical. the duke storms off out of the cabaret as the couple complete their song. The Duke walks away from the Moulin Rouge finally when Christian and Satine defy him and do their ending.
I watched Moulin Rogue when there was official news that the musical was coming out and I really dislike Satine and Christian as a couple. I’d put them in boring, or a new tier - y’all deserve better. 😆 I do agree with the Fiyero and Glinda and Elphaba thing, even if I don’t particularly know the subtext. I did read the book, so I kinda get the Elphaba and Fiyero pairing. Fiyero and Glinda to me is majority of the relationships I see, coming from conservative, very Christian background. When you look st musical theater couples from that perspective, a lot or choices make sense lol
We all know jd and Veronica are the problematic couple we all hate to love
Those harmonies 😭 like just kill me it’d be kinder haha.
*literally shoots someone* …. I worship you
Everyone: AWWW
Jd and Veronica are that couple that we love and want to be like a standing ovation but can’t because of Jd
“We can’t give it to the ice lesbian…”
BAHAHA
we need a tear list of Ryan quotes because now they’ve slipped into my daily conversations😂
Omg yess
NO FRRR
Ha yes we do
Fav Ryan quote yet
@@lauraelizabeth1117 fr 😭
I wish you had a tier for "Rescue this person" because the way Eliza would slot right in there.
Same for Veronica tbh.
So ready to see the tier Veronica and JD get placed in 💀
Tier list ideas: Disney couples, villains in musicals, parents in musicals, and costumes/style in musicals
I would love to see their tier list of parents in musicals
@@ashleydavis1611 my mind immediately went to the Wormwoods in Matilda, and for wildly different reasons they could be equally placed in top and bottom tier.
Also it'd be funny to throw in the parents from Rent in there and have the representative image just be an answering machine.
That Abraham Lincoln joke was too good 😭💀
I audibly gasped
I'm tempted to send this to my us history teacher because he likes musical theater and we are studying Lincoln right now.
@@bibatskingdom You should that would be so funny
My respect for Sam as a person and entertainer skyrocketed at that moment, I wanted to shake her hand thru the screen
I was actually rooting for Alexander and Eliza but purely because of Eliza. She deserves to have her love reciprocated and to be treated with the same love she gives Alexander. She's such an amazing woman so i was rooting for them to fix their relationship and for Alexander to change for Eliza and the kids, but the moment Alexander changed and realized his mistakes he died wtf at least let them be happy 😭
You should do this again with more couples!!! I’d love to hear your thoughts on couples like Jenna and Dr.Pottimer (waitress), Anastasia and Dmitri (Anastasia), Tracy Turnblad and Link (hairspray), Penny and Seaweed (hairspray), and Evan Hansen and Zoe (dear Evan Hansen).
Ooh Evan and Zoe are a great one to do!
@@Shae29 really problematic.
Also Whizzer and Marvin from Falsettos
how is anastasia and dmitri problematic??
Audrey and Seymour from Little Shop of Horrors would be great, too.
I wish Ryan would explain why he doesn't like Aaron Tveit, I desperately need the tea
I am absolutely in love with the whole Moulin Rouge production, especially Aaron's Christian. 💞 But everyone has their own taste. Love your videos! 🤗
Ryan is so valid for shipping Alexander and Angelica (from the POV of the musical I’m not talking about historical accuracy) Eliza was just a perfect house wife for him but I think Angelica would’ve been such a better intellectual match for him not that Eliza wasn’t intelligent she just wanted to find love whereas Angelica wanted to see change in the country same as Alexander I think if she stayed in America and her and Alexander fought for these things together they could’ve done so much
I do wonder what they would have accomplished together. But at the same time, Eliza is basically the reason we know of him as much as we do, not to mention all the other things she did and the other people she recognized. Alexander and Angelica easily could have just burnt each other out. Eliza was the stable force that Alexander needed to keep coherent, after a life of instability. Consider what a hot-head he was. It's shocking he didn't die during a duel much earlier. Or just work himself to death. She was the reason he was the man he became, even though it seemed like she was in the background. Also, historically, I'm pretty sure Angelica was already married when they all met.
they could’ve done so much more if they only had time!!
The way I’d put JD and Veronica above standing ovation because I’m a heathers Stan and I think that If he wasn’t an unaliver they would’ve been cute
Hear me out but I think he's better insane....
I am personally a huge Kristanna lover!
Kristoff: a guy who doesn’t show his emotions too much and often pushes his more vulnerable emotions away.
Anna who isn’t scared to show her emotions and would do anything for those she cares for.
They’re perfect because of the lack of type of love and nurturing they both needed growing up. Yes, Kristoff’s troll family was supportive and loving but he didn’t have humans to bond with, and so he was left with a little bit of an attitude towards most people.
Anna was shut away all her life and the only thing she desperately wanted was human connection.
I don’t know, their stories crossing were meant to be and i just love their characters together.
agreed!! and i think they were so cute in the song 'what do you know about love'
“Me and Jessic…I meannnnn Fieyro and Elphaba!” 😂
Jd and Veronica are the couple we all want to work out but can’t because of jd’s ways
i am dead at sam with the lincoln joke and hitting her mic😂
My daily dose of Sam and Ryan. Always makes my day better ❤️❤️❤️
What I want out of this world is a happy ending for Veronica and JD, those harmonies need to live on 😩😩
I. KNOW. 😭😭😭
0:49 “my parents, the Obamas, us” 😭😭
the issue with eliza/hamilton is that their relationship is based on a true story, set in a time period where Eliza was just trying to do right by her children, and so it's not really asking us to root for them at all, it's just trying to present every aspect of their relationship and each of their personal and shared traumas. It doesn't quite fit with the other couples because it wasn't scripted by someone in that way :)
Yes! Emmett and Elle are so great and that show doesn't get nearly enough love! The only change I would make would be putting Alexander and Eliza in rooting for you or possibly power duet. Their reconciliation is just so beautifully done that it wins me back over.
Ok we need a whole video on the Aron and Ryan tea
I NEED TO HEAR THE AARON TVEIT TEA RYAN!!
PLEASE!
As a dedicated Tveitertot who also loves this channel, part of me wants to know and part of me very much does not.
@@iheartbohoboys exactly how I feel lmao
Personal theory no one asked for: simple envy. It's clear Aaron and Ryan both get typecast as the sometimes sweet, sometimes broody heartthrob (both JD and Christian were even originated as roles by the same person, on the West End), and Aaron has been in the business longer and, to this day, gets more recognition for it in the Broadway community. I'm also guilty of this when it comes to certain famous/local musicians, being one myself, so I wouldn't blame Ryan too much for it, but I feel that at some point game should recognize game.
I see their point about him being a little too sexy for certain roles tho, Gabe from N2N comes to mind.
Personally I absolutely love Moulin Rouge broadway (more than the movie) so I am so curious as to why they don’t! Also curious as to why Ryan doesn’t like Aaron, because I just think he is amazing!
I’m wondering the same!!
I love this and need a part 2! A few shows to add: Waitress, Les Mis, Spring Awakening. I’d love to hear your thoughts on those shows and their couples. 👍🏼😁
honestly i wasnt a big fan of anna and kristoff in the movies, but the musical changed my opinion. i love how they start off butting heads, and what do you know about love is so good. and then kristoff's lullaby really sold it for me
Aaron Tveit won the 2020 Tony award for Best Actor in a musical and received a 2020 Grammy award nomination in Moulin Rouge
Satine and Christian my beloved ❤❤ I would love to see your ranking of either musical theatre opening numbers or closing numbers
I think a funny tier list would be ranking trendy things people do in LA that aren't as common other places. Examples: eating avocado toast or green juice, going to the super popular restaurants like Nobu, the casual stance on cosmetic procedures/the pressure of appearance, the nightlife scene, looking for photo ops everywhere you go, always going to "events", etc.
Ohhhh yes❤❤❤
This may need to be made into 2 parts, but can we get a tier list of musicals that are adaptations of movies that we love so much? With the ranking list being (hypothetically): Leave It Alone (an adaptation that should not have happened), Missed the Point (they definitely put in a valiant effort and it has similar elements, but it didn't quite hit the mark), Different But I Like It (pretty self explanatory; doesn't give the same feelings as the film did but it's still enjoyable), Impressive (probably went in with low expectations but were very surprised and impressed and overall did a pretty good job), and Standing Ovation (self explanatory). With musicals like Beetlejuice, Legally Blonde, Heathers, Mary Poppins, Shrek, Mean Girls, etc.
The most problematic relationship is Zoe and Even Hansen
ALWAYS A GOOD DAY WHEN SAM AND RYAN POST!! :))
I love tier ranking videos so much
First: I absolutely LOVE the theatre tier list videos, they're awesome!
Second: I definitely agree with the choices you guys made, but I also had the Falsettos couples in the back of my mid the entire time 🤣 Anyone thinking of other couples? And yes, I am aware that it doesn't encompass all of theatre before anyone says anything. Not a complaint, just genuine curiosity of what everyone else thought.
Falsettos is my favorite show so please I love act 2 marvin and whizzer
@@idontknow-xi1tw ABSOLUTELY! I love Charlotte and Cordelia and all, but they're so adorable!
@@ihaveanamexd4466 i don't like mendell and trina though, i just don't like mendell
@@idontknow-xi1tw Same! Whenever I say that everyone rushes to defend him but he's a generally annoying character in a majority of the show
@@ihaveanamexd4466 he straight up marries a client of his, who is divorced and has a kid with another man, BOTH OF WHOM ARE CLIENTS OF HIS!
Thank you for calling out the problematic couples! As a person who was dealing with a stalker when the Phantom of the Opera movie came out, I am so sick of people stanning a literal villain.
Haha lmao
I'm so impressed by how far you've come! We really appreciate your hard work and effort to make these videos!!!
You are an amazing, talented people... we appreciate you so much!!!
A Couple of Ideas that may be good for TierList but maybe betters as brackets:
- Opening Acts of Musicals (Or Finales or the Act One Closing. All are good options)
- Chris Pratt Roles
- Portrayals of Mental Health in Movies/Tv
The ONE thing I will say about JD is that I did lose my brother when I was a teenager and I can definitely sympathize. OBVIOUSLY I am not supporting homocide and all the other shitty stuff he does. But he does lose the only stable person in his life and then finally finds someone else namely Veronica to trust and that can form some attachment issues (obviously with JD it's really exaggerated) that's it
YEAH SAM AND RYAN UPLOADDDDDD
Elphaba and fiyero are my babies no one can touch them 😭
Moulin Rouge won 10 Tony awards for best musical and scenic design, costume, lighting and sound design
There are not “correct” answers to all tier lists, but there was this time and y’all were spot on. 💯 Literally down to each argument.
It be cool to see this with Disney couples
seeing you and Jessica vosk was a highlight of my life ❤❤
Love this! You guys never fail to make my day! 😊
Ryan’s quotes for every video are amazing
Yesss Elle and Emmett standing ovation 100%!!!
the musical is based on the film and also the character of Christian he is a romantic, creative, a gifted writer and extremely emotional just like in the Broadway musical. The duke is actually the antagonist in the musical and also in the film
I know this isn't related to the video but I performed "meant to be yours" in my school and it was amazing for me, I think it wasn't for the rest of the school.
100k!!! so proud of you two!!
WELL DONE SAM AND RYAN ON 100K
100K live stream? plz?
“That butt-“ - Sam 2023
No no no!! you see, we don’t simp over JD because he is dark and mysterious. We simp over JD because he is ryan ❤❤❤
THE LINCOLNS i cannot
does anyone else love the fact that musicals are so dark and often inappropriate but sense its a musical we've just decided that its completely fine
Absolutely love the Tier lists! Love ur content. Y’all are great. Also…I think jd and Veronica deserve a standing ovation for how problematic they are. A video idea that I think would be cool would be ranking the people y’all have worked with as actors in theater or television
I was honestly SO confused when I saw Wicked on stage for the first time. I had only ever listened to the Broadway album. I was hyper-focused because I didn't want to miss anything!
The running commentary in my head: "OH YAY! Fiyero and Elphaba meet! AW cute they can't stand each other! *me waiting for the character relationship development* Wait. They're singing As Long As Your Mine... WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN!? Did I miss something!? When did HE fall in love with HER!?🧐🧐" 😂😂😂
yall are so cute 😭😭
CONGRATS ON 100K BTW!!
Needs the ultimate Standing Ovation couple Nick and Diane from Come From Away. (Except it’s CFA so they make it so you can’t do standing ovations).
Marvin and Whizzer would’ve been perfect for this
🎶Creepy Stalker, hiding in the shadows makes girl sing using way too much vibra-a-a--ato. Is he there to hurt her or be her vocal teacher, and why does it always happen late at night? How did this ever seem alright?🎶 Phantom of the Opera in a nutshell (btw this is a parody of Music of the Night by Straight No Chaser)
When sam said just like Abraham Lincolns head i died laughing and almost spit my water out
1:04 Ryan's reaction to
" just like Abraham Lincoln's head"
tier list of ICONIC musical quick changes
I feel like no matter what the actors that play Veronica and jd are always so attractive l feel like that’s part of the audition progress
Definitely. I checked out a few pre-audition description things (idk what they're called) where it's a description of the character and the vocal abilities the hypothetical actor has to have, yeah, JD always has "attractive" or similar adjectives im his description.
❤❤ Tysm for posting!! Your my comfort channel
OH and congrats on 100k subscribers!!
I only simp for one JD and that’s Ryan, c’mon this man can SING
Would love to see a part 2 with more rent couples, spring awakening, etc.
I love you guy’s channel and you guy’s are my favorite RUclipsrs. You never fail to make me smile and brighten my day😃
Can we get a part 2??? I need mean girls, Hadestown, in the heights( both Benny and Nina and Vanessa and usnavi) plsplspls
I feel like there should be a tier just for the people that need to be saved from the other chaotic one
(eliza and veronica)
not the “He gets us” ad before a Sam and Ryan video 😭
Here we are again, respect and love for you too
omg this channel is so good i love it so much :)
i know nobody cares but I was watching a random guess the musical and when I saw ryan as hans I screamed “OH MY GOD THATS RYAN MCCARTAN” in the middle of math. my teacher was very concerned.
Found your videos in early January and since then, I am ADDICTED! ♥️
I would love to find the points you allocate to the tiers (in every tier video) in the description box as I sometimes can not understand / place the point. This might be me not being English / American or just starting to live musical theater. But it would sure help. Thank you ❤
Angel and colins isn’t even a second guess standard ovation. Like they are a beautiful couple and have AMAZING duets
You should definitely do this with Disney couples
need a part 2 with marvin and whizzer from falsettos
omg fr fr when you guys were listing the couples who enjoy musical theatre the first thing that came to mind were the Lincolns- (and then ryan said it)
And of course for all my great comet fans, there’s Natasha and Anatole.
me and my girlfriend are elle and emmett rn in our production of legally blonde, 10/10 tier list
Would love a part 2 to this!
Yay! Musical theater upload!
Tier list ideas: Rank the Jets, Rank the Sharks, Rank movie musicals
Yours never fail to make me laugh and I agree with them all
I completely ship Erik (Phantom)/Christine. I LOVE them as a couple so, so much. In fact, all of my Phantom of the Opera books are about them being a couple(getting engaged, getting married having kids, etc…). Also, I have a hat that says, “Raoul Should Have Died. Phantom Forever” I have pictures of them on my iPad and I read fan fictions about them all the time. By the way, I also completely ship Fiyero/Elphaba.
I love the Music Man and Marian the Librarian
Yesss depending on which ending you follow they are so funny and cute
Hey sam and Ryan just wanted to say thank you for making great videos all the time have a great day 😊
Maybe a bit late but congratulations on 100k!!
Love this sm! You guys are so funny, don’t agree w everything but it’s ok lol
If you ever do make another couples tier list, I’d love to see Evan and Zoe from DEH, Jeremy and Brooke/Christine from BMC, and May and Francois from & Juliet. amazing video! musical theater ships would also be a fun one lmao (prepare to unleash war in the comments)
ranking musicals main characters bestfriends maybe??
Another fun video could be comparing musicals vs their movie adaptations (or vice versa) and which version you like better.
Ryan: I'm Alex/Angelica.
Also Ryan: "Girl, come on. Forgiveness is a thing."
Love it!
Also, did Sam just say "The bull soup"? Because if she did, I love it and I'm taking it. Haha!
the duke in the film wanted to kill Christian in the movie but not in the musical. the duke storms off out of the cabaret as the couple complete their song. The Duke walks away from the Moulin Rouge finally when Christian and Satine defy him and do their ending.
I watched Moulin Rogue when there was official news that the musical was coming out and I really dislike Satine and Christian as a couple. I’d put them in boring, or a new tier - y’all deserve better. 😆
I do agree with the Fiyero and Glinda and Elphaba thing, even if I don’t particularly know the subtext. I did read the book, so I kinda get the Elphaba and Fiyero pairing. Fiyero and Glinda to me is majority of the relationships I see, coming from conservative, very Christian background. When you look st musical theater couples from that perspective, a lot or choices make sense lol