Hey man, one thing I’ve been having an issue with is lean angle. I ride a 14’ R6. I don’t really know how far I can lean until it’ll low side, and I’m afraid to test the limits on such a nice bike. Any advice?
Your ability to find different ways of explaining concepts sets your content apart, I have watched multiple videos of you explaining the same thing but with a different approach and my level of understanding is so much higher as a result, saving lives 🙏.
Same. I finally feel “home” after like a year of watching motorcycle RUclips nonstop and getting dangerously half baked/half thought out explanations or analogies etc. his countersteering video is the only one that comes close to adequately explaining a CRITICAL skill and that blows my mind. Imagine if how to turn the wheel on a car was a secret almost nobody could explain to you properly and was very counterintuitive but even at MSF they’re just like meh don’t overthink it. I watched a video of a guy hitting a 18 wheeler because he kept inadvertently standing his bike up because he was trying to steer it normally into a turn so he went way wide. Only after watching this channel and Talking to Dave Moss and Ari Henning a couple times am I finally confident I can teach myself to become proficient, thanks to effort by others, as the MSF was woefully inadequate in my view. I don’t mount motorized deathhorses lightheartedly and if I do it’s because I want to master it. Same for the MSF, I get you have to start somewhere, but lots of room to improve that course. Especially right now. Literally zero classroom component due to covid so they just start off by you spending a 8 hour day in the sun. I got sick by the end as It was 100 degrees 100 percent humidity. Ruined the whole thing for me.
I experimented trail braking while pressing down on the outside footpeg and it really 100% feels like I'm on solid rails of a roller-coaster. It's just so smooth and apparently it looks really smooth to my friends too, who are all much older and more experienced on bikes than I am, yet I'm the only one who practices my actual road skills instead of wheelies.
@@MotoJitsu thank you, i have to try it out. I always thought we shouldnt touch the breaks while still turning. I just brake and coast during the turn. Thanks
@@NikuaRanger you can do it with either one or both as he mentioned, but i really prefer using my front break for trail breaking MOST of the time because it gives me really good front wheel traction around corners, since thats where all the weight goes. I'll use the back break or sometimes even smooth engine breaking when going into corners as well, just so that i have traction for my rear tire just in case my front tire slips a little on gravel or anything I didn't see that causes me to momentarily lose traction
I am riding for 10 years now and every season start I flip through your videos to fresh up things. Perfect explaining in a perfect playtime length. Thanks for doing this.
Brother, thank you for your unquenchable passion of showing us how to enjoy safely our motorcycle. Your trail braking video lessons has been instrumental in my maturity as a rider, considering the traffic condition here in the Philippines. I always see to it that every time I ride, I'm practicing one of your lessons (Vision, throttle/clutch control, and smooth braking. Indeed, thank you is not enough. God bless you.
The Best Motorcycle Instructions You Can Find On RUclips Period. I Just Started Riding A Month Ago And Have More Confidence, I Have Learned More Concrete Riding Staples/Real Life Concepts, And Enjoy My Riding More Than I Ever Thought In Such A Short Time After All This Guys Videos. There Is Nothing To Do But Practice And Have Fun Now I Love It.
I finally found video in which someone explained, in a way that worked for me, what trail-braking is meant to accomplish. That video just happened to be about trail-braking with cars. Now, MotoJitsu application of trail-braking to motorcycles makes sense to me. 😄
Man alot of very useful info always, thanks. I am a new rider 50yrs old. I haven't ridden a bike since I was 18. Everything you and others teach to keep us all safe. Awesome thank you, thank you, thank you.
I’ve watched at least 50 videos on this topic to understand. All of them were very good, but I always had the same remaining question about the concept after watching.....until now! Thanks so much for what you do. You, Mc rider, canyon chasers and DDF have been amazing resources for newbies like myself.
Been riding for 20+ years but mostly in urban area with heavy traffic most of the time. Finally get a good touring bike and get out of the city to find some speed. The mountain twisty is a total different beast, trail braking is such a game changer for me.
I was on a CBR 300R and move up to the CB 500X... since then I have been watching your videos to review lessons.. Thank you for listing them. I ride on the roads, and in Asia, where at times, it is anything goes. A future topic, driving defensively... cheers great work.. Much appreciated.
Dude.. you're such an inspiration and a great example for new generations of riders!!! The world needs more people like you! BIG UP from Switzerland 🇨🇭❤🔥
Been practicing a whole week and my riding skills has improved a lot, its a big milestone for me, i been riding for 5 years and i Didnt Know how to trail brake. Now i wanna ride all the corners, its so addicting, cheers from Peru.
Finally someone explains trail braking, in the first few minutes of this video learnt more than any other video! Then lean angle ratios, makes so much sense. Cheers mate.
Re entry rider Central Missouri here. As I’ve mentioned before, I incorporate something I’ve learned from your videos on every ride.This morning it was more trail breaking. What a huge difference this makes. I like to do some parking lot practice before going out and some more after my ride. I used trial breaking in my after ride parking lot practice and wow! My tight turns are tighter. My figure eights are tighter and serpentine is easier and faster using the trail breaking method. It definitely took some getting use to, but after a couple of weeks of practicing it’s almost become second nature. Thanks again for your videos and making your explanations simple and easy to understand.
I don’t know if my experience if valid for everyone, but the way I found the more confortable to get confident with trail braking was practicing first in straight line (empty parking lot), squeezing the front brake and then smoothly releasing pressure on the lever. This helped me to become accustomed to the sensitivity of the front brake and feel trusty when applying it along corners.
Hey Eddie - Recently discovered your channel, and have been binge watching for hours. I've been riding for 40+ years and I guess I've been lucky not to have killed myself or anybody else. Hearing and viewing your explanations as to how bikes are best controlled makes me realise just how little I know. Will try and practice more from now on - never too late to get it right. Keep up the great work.
Another great coincidence. Did my first real trail braking ride yesterday. A little anxious. The route had easy to moderate twisties. My performance wasn't smooth, consistent or pretty but I can say with certainty that I always had 99-100% control of the bike. Great lesson, as usual. I'll be practicing this for awhile, thanks!
This is absolutely superb youtube clip, as always! I just watched another 15 minute youtube video about Trail Braking by someone else and at the end of it I had no idea what Trail Braking was about. Within 30 seconds of watching this Moto-Jitsu Trail Braking clip I fully understood what Trail Braking is all about. I am new to motorcycling, so loads to lean and Fast Eddie's youtube clips are extremely informative. Cheers thanks
Nice video again! I hadn't ridden in decades, but since I recently got out of Afghanistan in mid-August I had some time to start riding again in Thailand where motorcycle rentals are relatively cheap and plentiful. I started off by renting a single-cylinder baby Y MT15 and then moved on to a Y R6, H CB650 F, and K SX6 out in Eastern Thailand along the Cambodian border. I was practicing rear brake only trail braking just to re-learn the basics as you just happen to discuss in one of your more recent videos. This video gives me more stuff to work on during my next trip. (January 2022)
Ok this explained it beautifully, I get the concept of trail braking now. I had a wobble on a chicane last week, accelerating too keenly out of the final turn and instinctively threw on the front brake to check my speed. In a way I stumbled onto trail braking as it felt safer than I anticipated, it just needed better care in execution
I've been trail breaking for years before I knew it had a name. These videos have the best explanation of the concepts involved. Of course, I am in no way the caliber of rider as you, not even close, but I try to ride smart and safe and learn new things about riding when I can that will benefit.
Great video, thanks for sharing this. I’m not fast, but I try to be smooth, including using trail braking as often as possible. I love how you so easily explain and visually demonstrate what it took me years or riding to learn. Of course I still make mistakes, but I’m also trying to get better every ride.
unrelated but wanted to say thank you. i have been practising for more than a year and random motorcyclist on a parking lot for learners have been coming to me telling how much they admire my technique. today a guy told me my riding was insipiring to him... kinda how your was to me when i was doing my baby steps year ago. 26k km in which good thousand was on a parking lot
Amazing. Recently started riding. Countersteering made a big change in cornering along with counter balancing on slower curves along stop signs. But had been almost run over by cars who speed 10-15 miles over speed limit in local roads. Want to try trail braking at speeds greater than 40mph on local roads and see if i can feel the 100 split effect. Everyday I drive and practice for 45 mins to an hour on less traffic and back roads. Love ur videos
Education, mentorship, experience all wrapped into one :) FYI: Do you know about my other RUclips channel? It's a podcast where I interview interesting people...it's called MyIgnorance. Check out the cool guests I have already had on and please subscribe & share! If you already are, thank you!! :) ruclips.net/channel/UCVJeRk29mNO-YRuvOJ73klQ
I should add, as you are trail braking going from full brake to lean you want to be very smooth into the turn. Being jerky on the throttle or brakes in a turn is a good way to upset the suspension and likely cause you to crash. Great video brother 💪
Many auto drivers do not understand ABS braking that manufacturers had to add brake assist. Brake assist senses a panic stop and makes sure you get into the full 100% ABS. Stand on your brakes, in an emergency, in a car. I own a 2018 Super Duke 1290r with Cornering ABS/Cornering TC. I guess I cheat on my trail braking as, hopefully, the electronics will watch men if too aggressive with trail braking. With Cornering TC, I can literally give full throttle immediately out of the apex. My lap times have improved immensely using electronics. The electronics give me the confidence and warn me if approaching the limits of the bike. I think it is a great learning tool. Like you said, after awhile motor memory kicks in and you are not banging off the electronics as much. Giving a hand full of throttle with the Super Duke out of a corner is a really rush. Without electronics I would of never initially attempted.
I remember when you had 2k subs. Crazy how fast your channel has grown. I love riding more than anything but I wish I had the drive that you have to perfect your skills.
Trail braking probably saved me from a crash last year and this year too. There was a corner on my regular ride, blind, sharp left, always sand/shit on the side, and for some fucking reason i was phased out while approaching it, thank god i was on the brake while leaning into it, that's when i braked the most in a corner(from 70-80 Km/h to 30-40 in moments). There is like 10 times more grip than people realize, but you have to be smooth as fuck. Thanks again Eddie. Keep it up. And i didn't forget the Knee down pictures i promised, just have to get the time and the balls to try it :)
Well explained. Trail braking can transform your car driving also. Tons of grip through the corner because you are transferring weight onto the front tires (which are doing the steering)
Just found your channel searching sport bike tips because im moving from a cruiser to a supersport and damn you are an amazing instructor along with your peers that teach other things
I just re watched the rebound damping video and i guess that is you i thought it was a different person sorry about the confusion you are the motorcycle messiah
This is a very useful technique, if and only if you are certain that the turn you are leaning into is clean. Otherwise disaster can ensue. Case in point: February 2019 I rented a Honda CB500X (with ABS) in Chiang Mai, Thailand, and set out to do the famous Mae Hong Son loop. Trip of a lifetime. Hundreds of curves, beautiful mountain roads, wonderful friendly people. On the third day, 20 km from my destination in Pai, entered a sharp left downhill curve applying a small amount of trail breaking. As soon as the bike started to lean, the front wheel slid out and down we went. Fortunately I wasn't going fast, but still broke 2 ribs and came close to breaking my hip. How could this have happened? February is the dry season in northern Thailand; it hadn't rained for at least 3 months. But as I stood up from the crash I ran my foot across the ground: it was slick, like the black ice we get in early Spring here in western Pennsylvania, invisible and extremely slippery. Of course then I realized, all those months of dry weather meant no rain had washed the accumulated grime from the road. Since that experience I simply don't trust trail braking, I'm sure it's a valuable technique to use on the track, but on public roads with surfaces you have no idea what they're like until you're committed it's just too risky.
Very nicely said. The only other thing is to take into account is road conditions and the state of the bike which is only logic I guess but still I had a mate crash doing his trail breaking in the wet with bold and old dried up tires, being aware of those things and the importance of having your bike in optimal condition is very important especially on the road.
Thanks a lot for your very ingormative videos. So we lean , go towards apex with trail braking until we see the exit. Questions are 1. While trail braking , may be 5% though the corner with lean, throttle should be fully closed ? Or bit open? 2. Then gradually reduce lean ease front brake, apply throttle back , correct?
You're welcome! No...apex has nothing to do with street riding and seeing the exit is dependent on the type of corner you're on and pace you're doing if you decide to trail brake. 1. Depends...if I'm at the track going really fast, I go from 100% to 0% throttle immediately then get hard on the front brake...I start to lean and trail off brake pressure, then get back on the throttle about 1-2% until the bike is pointed in the right direction then I start to accelerate as I bring the bike upright again. For street riding, I don't do any of that.
@@MotoJitsu thanks for ur detailed explanation. For street riding we can completely ignore apex n go with simple O-I-O line? And until we see exit we can go with slight trail brake , may be 2% front brake and maintain throttle to maintain steady reduced n comfortable speed along the corner until we see exit? One we are close to exit, trail off brake, reduce lean add add more throttle gradually? Correct? This is all complete for country side street environment
what I take from this vid....... the better you know your bike the better you will ride it. Its very hard to describe something thats intuitive . Like everything in life, the more you practice, the better you will get. Just like you know when to change gears, you will know when to brake more/less or roll on /off instinctively. knowledge is power, pick your lines early and have faith in your tyres grip. Get to know the roads you ride before you start to try to ride like motojitsu can. Correct me if im wrong.
@@MotoJitsu your right, nothing about the vidio is intuitive, but in my opinion, after you have practiced many hours like you say, things like trail breaking BECOME intuitive.
Great episode. I've been learning to ride for 9 months now, and I'm always cautious of down hill turns that require full breaking near the base due to intersection... always something i'm very cautious about...
best explanation ive seen. ive done this for years cycling but never really thought about it. i wish theyd teach you advance techniques at riding school
Great tip on applying 10% and turning in circles in a parking lot! Been doing a lot of emergency braking practice. Didn’t know you could turn ABS off. Will have to check to see if I can. My Heritage doesn’t have much lean before I start scrapping the footboards.
I learned the technique through trial and error when I was a kid and before mandatory structured training was a thing. It becomes intuitive with experience. Trainers try to explain that intuition to newbies with technobabble. Not only does it confuse them, it confuses me. 😂
@@MotoJitsu I could be, but I don't think so. After 48 years of being licensed, I have never run wide of a corner, and remain accident free. Best of luck with your business though.
You don't know what you don't know....just like you don't know much about physics unless you go back to school to learn...just experience won't teach you high level stuff.
Thank you sir for that excellent explanation. No videos or graphics but you have opened my eyes to something I have struggled with and done it in z way that many others could not.
Now that I've put a couple thousand miles on my bike, mostly in turns and parking lot practice, I'm trying some of the more advanced techniques. It's amazing what is achievable on a motorcycle. Most of the roads where I live are twisty but the speed limit is so slow that practicing trail braking is hard because just letting off the throttle is enough to get me thru the corner. I need to go to a track....
Thank you and thank you. Along with your other videos you've taught us not to fear adding or subtracting appropriate input while cornering. Most importantly, get to know your bike! Have met someone who has confirmed your teaching skills and hope to learn first hand from you some day soon. Props from SoCal!
Okay, so here is how I see it then (and thanks for this video!). Everyone applies the brakes before a corner but what trail braking is, is applying a percentage of brake pressure in relation to the percentage of lean angle THROUGH a corner vs simply braking to the speed you are comfortable with BEFORE the corner and not applying brakes in the corner while leaning. This allows the rider to maintain more control and speed through the corner because you can learn to apply SOME of the brakes while leaning. If you trail on and off the brakes according to, and not exceeding, your lean angle you can take the corner at a greater speed but with more control and safety. Is that about right?
trail braking has been huge for me. was frustrated not to keep up with traffic on switchbacks before; now i can. ty ty ty. now for a question: how much would i miss my K100RS forks if i move to a newer bmw K1300 "duolever" (hossak) design? there seems to be no "trail" there, so my wheelbase won't shorten (ever). is there a compensating gain in some other bit of the steering/braking geometry?
It is imperative and absolute must to get ro understand your bike,first and foremost. Image trail braking and hit the brakes to sudden during a deep turn. In my country there are a lot roundabouts,so I use the experience as practice. These videos are only beneficial to the riders safety. Thank you for your time.
Hi would just like to thank you for taking the time to make these videos I now recommend them to anyone who asks me questions on riding. Easy to understand and yet very detailed. Well done and thank you.
I think what you said at the beginning, that you don't have to trail off the brakes, is an important point for people to understand. That you can also "trail" on the brakes as well so to speak.
Most people simply don't have a high level or riding education because they don't seek out high level courses...go to champschool.com or motojitsu.com/courses and I have a video about all the moto-books I recommend everyone to read...THEN go practice and see for yourself
love these videos. more people ought to make the connection between practice and having fun when they first learn to ride so that there's less resistance to the idea. dirt bike riders don't have an issue with taking baby steps to mastering those big jumps, why is there a reluctance to furthering your understanding of the bike you ride when you hit the road? why do we so often teach basic skills under the fear of death instead of enjoyment? risk is part of the appeal of riding and controlling that risk is something every rider should not only do but make them feel like a badass whether they're on a supersport or a vespa
So my.girl.and I rode 8 hours in NH this weekend. She is always in lead with her Connie. She told me that if i say," brake brake brake brake" again she was gonna rip my sena off my helmet. !!!! This lesson probably saved my life!!!!
Love your hair marine. I do the same thing when In don't want a GF. I grow it out and do my thing. Oh yeah my bad trail braking.... Lol I have 400k on two wheels it wasn't untill I started watching your videos that I started braking in corners. ( Bagger rider) I've learned so much from watching you. I appreciate your videos. BTW I'm doing the Yamaha riding course as you said to do. Thanks devil dog !! Semper Fi.
After watching this I went out and tried it on my scooter. I have no idea why the hell I was thinking - that trail braking meant using the rear brake? Since the rear tire trails the bike I guess? I was taught to load up the front tire before entering a turn and them release the brake an let the tire and suspension do the work. yeah no. This technique immediately gives you more confidence and speed, and it feels much safer. Also watching Nick Ienatsch squish that tire into the road makes things even clearer. Thank you!
Doesn't matter what brake you use...trail braking is the same...you can even trail brake with both or do one or the other at different points of the turn for different reasons. MotoJitsu.com for my new app, books, merch, etc :)
@@MotoJitsu I get it now, but I just thought it was like when you see racers sliding into corners hard on the rear brake and letting it trail off. My "technique" was to feather the clutch in corners (like trail braking only 100% wrong) Man I need to get back into classes! Thanks for all the great info here.
None of my videos have anything to do with racing...I have a separate playlist talking about track riding however. Yes, don't use the clutch at all for corners.
You're pretty good at this stuff. I do it without realising but not perfectly by any stretch, still too many hot corners, I will continue to listen to you i think....... 😜
How come when I trail brake I fall behind the rest of the riders in the canyons. It almost seems like they’re not braking and zipping through all the corners. Am I braking too early and it’s slowing me down so I fall behind? I usually brake about 10-15 yards before the corner. I’m averaging around 40-55MPH around a corner depending on how tight it is. So I feel any faster is unsafe but I’m probably doing something wrong. Thanks for all the videos and tips. Best moto channel on RUclips.
Is trail breaking implemented on scooters too? I like to take my 125cc scooter to the twisties since i'm not old enough to get a liscence and get a proper motorcycle. Thanks for the tips eddie really appreciate it!
Great explanation of the technique but watch for gravel or slippery services if using ANY front brake when leaning the bike. Experienced riders will of course do this
I’m practicing trail breaking with your techniques and I’ve found things in my riding that I’ve didn’t know was wrong until I started with this . There’s a teacher on RUclips called “roadcraft Nottingham” who has a video out on “why you should not trail breaking “ have you seen it and if so what’s you view on it? Can be interesting to hear your thoughts in the opposite view on trail breaking . Thanks !
It’s not right or wrong, trail braking is a tool. Learn every tool and master it. Just because you know how to do something doesn’t mean you need to do it every turn. Anyone who says they shouldn’t do or learn trail braking is simply an inexperienced and uneducated rider.
“I have a very good understanding of what I mean” is an ironic way to put it. Luckily we know we can trust you 😂. I know exactly what you mean it’s just a funny
Would be really interested to hear how trail braking works on more cruiser style and heavier bikes. Is it the same ? Would you suggest more brakes to slow or using engine compression before corners?
I'm new and trying to eat up everything that I can. Have you done a vid on emergency breaking when in a turn? Theres a lot of blind and sharp turns in the Appalachia mtns, and plenty of times I've gone around a turn theres a herd of deer in the road or a car spun out and is sideways in the road, baseball sized rocks in the road, etc. If theres a rural/mtn riding channel that teaches like you do but for out in the sticks I'll take a link. Any vids on emergency braking for wildlife running across the road (deer/bear)? They taught us to slowdown as much as possible and just hit the animal and not try to swerve bc you can hit a pole or tree or flip the car on the embankment. Thank you for your time, @MotoJitsu®
Is the theory behind trail braking to compress the front tire thus giving you more traction through the turn? And will using the rear brake instead cause the same front tire compression? Thanks for all you do for the riding community.
No one said you need to...it's a tool, just like body position or line selection. Doesn't mean you need every tool for every turn. All depends on what you feel like doing, type of corner, the pace you're going, etc. MotoJitsu.com for my new app, books, merch, affiliate links, discounts, etc.
It's so weird.. I went pocket bike racing today and I was freaking trail breaking all day long.. it was so easy and came naturally but on my big bike, nope!
The ONLY thing I don’t understand and have not found to be mentioned ANYWHERE is - what do I do with the clutch when 1) entering the corner 2) start leaning and trailing off the brakes. Is the clutch open at all times or while I go from slowing to trail-braking, I hold the clutch down and release as I start to lean or..? Please help :(
That clears up EVERYTHING! Thanks a lot! But just to be sure: so I settle in the gear I am comfortable with when I enter and then I focus on my right hand and left just holds the grip, correct?
You do not do anything with the clutch for cornering. Only time you use it is when you're shifting, that's it. If you didn't know, I have a MotoJitsu app! Check out my website MotoJitsu.com for the links as well as my books, merch, affiliate links to Revzilla, courses I recommend, etc.
Roger that, forget the clutch :) superb. This was bothering me for a while as I couldn’t get my head around what does the left hand do, now it’s all about practise. Already exploring through your vids and material, thanks a lot!!!
Question for you... it is either throttle either brake, never both and also never none as neutral phase makes bike float and lessens the grip... so eeficient riding you're either on throttle or brake... now let's say you enter a corner and keep 20% brake pressure and throttle is off, you're leaned and just find yourself slowing too much and it"s still to early to roll the throttle as you did not even reach apex... now, is the solution just to release the brake pressure as you're already to slow and start adding throttle WHILE you're leaning, doing it all gently?
The whole first part of what you said is more towards track...99% of my videos are about street riding where there are many times I'm overlapping...but I have to going at a quick pace to even use trail braking in the first place. Right after I lean the bike I give it 1-3% throttle just to maintain the speed...this is not acceleration, that's something you can do only when the bike is pointing in the right direction. Apex has nothing to do with street riding nor do I car about it on street.
@@MotoJitsu thanks , that was kind of my question, how do you manahet to add or hold any throttle same time when using trail braking? If I enter at quick pace ( street ride speaking) then trail brake and low brake pressure at let's say first half of corner is only thing I keep, moment I release brake fully is moment when I start adding throttle. That's the only thing that confused me as in last video with your KTM you said keep both, throttle and break pressure which is confusing... thanks, keep up
There's no one way to do this...all depends on the pace, type of corner, etc. If it's a long blind corner, maybe decreasing radius...I'll keep 5% pressure on the front brake until I see the exit. At the same time I already added 1-3% throttle to maintain my speed.
I usually brake with the rear first, for just like a 1/2 second to load the front wheel, and I usually keep the rear brake in contact (just touching) thru the whole corner. Nobody does that anymore? Maybe noone else ever did...
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Hey man, one thing I’ve been having an issue with is lean angle. I ride a 14’ R6. I don’t really know how far I can lean until it’ll low side, and I’m afraid to test the limits on such a nice bike. Any advice?
@@skitzandshitz6507 track days and fiberglass body work.
brianq103 No tracks even a 100 miles near me lol, it would be nice tho
@@skitzandshitz6507 practice increments . Tiny tiny advances you will feel it . .
Practice practice practice .
The great thing about MotoJitsu is that this guy is a super rider but has the patience to instruct rookies as if they're not idiots. Much appreciated.
thanks
That is a great point and a great way to say it. I also like his encouragement to go out and practice.
Yea but I’m an idiot and I wish he’d slow the F down ...
Your ability to find different ways of explaining concepts sets your content apart, I have watched multiple videos of you explaining the same thing but with a different approach and my level of understanding is so much higher as a result, saving lives 🙏.
thanks :)
Same. I finally feel “home” after like a year of watching motorcycle RUclips nonstop and getting dangerously half baked/half thought out explanations or analogies etc. his countersteering video is the only one that comes close to adequately explaining a CRITICAL skill and that blows my mind.
Imagine if how to turn the wheel on a car was a secret almost nobody could explain to you properly and was very counterintuitive but even at MSF they’re just like meh don’t overthink it. I watched a video of a guy hitting a 18 wheeler because he kept inadvertently standing his bike up because he was trying to steer it normally into a turn so he went way wide. Only after watching this channel and Talking to Dave Moss and Ari Henning a couple times am I finally confident I can teach myself to become proficient, thanks to effort by others, as the MSF was woefully inadequate in my view.
I don’t mount motorized deathhorses lightheartedly and if I do it’s because I want to master it. Same for the MSF, I get you have to start somewhere, but lots of room to improve that course.
Especially right now. Literally zero classroom component due to covid so they just start off by you spending a 8 hour day in the sun. I got sick by the end as It was 100 degrees 100 percent humidity. Ruined the whole thing for me.
@@Fee.1 damn. That blows. I am taking my 1st course in about 2 weeks...
I was thinking the same way. Definitely sets you and your videos apart.
I experimented trail braking while pressing down on the outside footpeg and it really 100% feels like I'm on solid rails of a roller-coaster. It's just so smooth and apparently it looks really smooth to my friends too, who are all much older and more experienced on bikes than I am, yet I'm the only one who practices my actual road skills instead of wheelies.
:) nice!
trail braking is done with the back brake?
@@NikuaRanger front or rear or both, doesn't matter. I have a video about rear brake trail braking.
@@MotoJitsu thank you, i have to try it out. I always thought we shouldnt touch the breaks while still turning. I just brake and coast during the turn. Thanks
@@NikuaRanger you can do it with either one or both as he mentioned, but i really prefer using my front break for trail breaking MOST of the time because it gives me really good front wheel traction around corners, since thats where all the weight goes. I'll use the back break or sometimes even smooth engine breaking when going into corners as well, just so that i have traction for my rear tire just in case my front tire slips a little on gravel or anything I didn't see that causes me to momentarily lose traction
I am riding for 10 years now and every season start I flip through your videos to fresh up things. Perfect explaining in a perfect playtime length. Thanks for doing this.
Brother, thank you for your unquenchable passion of showing us how to enjoy safely our motorcycle. Your trail braking video lessons has been instrumental in my maturity as a rider, considering the traffic condition here in the Philippines. I always see to it that every time I ride, I'm practicing one of your lessons (Vision, throttle/clutch control, and smooth braking. Indeed, thank you is not enough. God bless you.
awesome to hear it!
The Best Motorcycle Instructions You Can Find On RUclips Period. I Just Started Riding A Month Ago And Have More Confidence, I Have Learned More Concrete Riding Staples/Real Life Concepts, And Enjoy My Riding More Than I Ever Thought In Such A Short Time After All This Guys Videos. There Is Nothing To Do But Practice And Have Fun Now I Love It.
I finally found video in which someone explained, in a way that worked for me, what trail-braking is meant to accomplish. That video just happened to be about trail-braking with cars. Now, MotoJitsu application of trail-braking to motorcycles makes sense to me. 😄
Glad it helped!
Man alot of very useful info always, thanks. I am a new rider 50yrs old. I haven't ridden a bike since I was 18. Everything you and others teach to keep us all safe. Awesome thank you, thank you, thank you.
I’ve watched at least 50 videos on this topic to understand. All of them were very good, but I always had the same remaining question about the concept after watching.....until now! Thanks so much for what you do. You, Mc rider, canyon chasers and DDF have been amazing resources for newbies like myself.
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Been riding for 20+ years but mostly in urban area with heavy traffic most of the time. Finally get a good touring bike and get out of the city to find some speed. The mountain twisty is a total different beast, trail braking is such a game changer for me.
I was on a CBR 300R and move up to the CB 500X... since then I have been watching your videos to review lessons.. Thank you for listing them. I ride on the roads, and in Asia, where at times, it is anything goes. A future topic, driving defensively... cheers great work.. Much appreciated.
Dude.. you're such an inspiration and a great example for new generations of riders!!! The world needs more people like you! BIG UP from Switzerland 🇨🇭❤🔥
Thanks 😊
Been practicing a whole week and my riding skills has improved a lot, its a big milestone for me, i been riding for 5 years and i Didnt Know how to trail brake. Now i wanna ride all the corners, its so addicting, cheers from Peru.
awesome!
took my bike out today for the first ride ... GN125 ... :) Loved it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Watching videos and practicing.
nice!!
Finally someone explains trail braking, in the first few minutes of this video learnt more than any other video! Then lean angle ratios, makes so much sense. Cheers mate.
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Re entry rider Central Missouri here. As I’ve mentioned before, I incorporate something I’ve learned from your videos on every ride.This morning it was more trail breaking. What a huge difference this makes. I like to do some parking lot practice before going out and some more after my ride. I used trial breaking in my after ride parking lot practice and wow! My tight turns are tighter. My figure eights are tighter and serpentine is easier and faster using the trail breaking method. It definitely took some getting use to, but after a couple of weeks of practicing it’s almost become second nature. Thanks again for your videos and making your explanations simple and easy to understand.
Glad to hear it!!!!
Great video. This technique has improved my cornering to a whole new level.
Great to hear!
I don’t know if my experience if valid for everyone, but the way I found the more confortable to get confident with trail braking was practicing first in straight line (empty parking lot), squeezing the front brake and then smoothly releasing pressure on the lever. This helped me to become accustomed to the sensitivity of the front brake and feel trusty when applying it along corners.
yes and you can practice that at every stop sign, stop light...etc.
Hey Eddie - Recently discovered your channel, and have been binge watching for hours. I've been riding for 40+ years and I guess I've been lucky not to have killed myself or anybody else. Hearing and viewing your explanations as to how bikes are best controlled makes me realise just how little I know. Will try and practice more from now on - never too late to get it right. Keep up the great work.
Get into more formal training!! :) MotoJitsu.com/courses
Another great coincidence.
Did my first real trail braking ride yesterday. A little anxious. The route had easy to moderate twisties.
My performance wasn't smooth, consistent or pretty but I can say with certainty that I always had 99-100% control of the bike.
Great lesson, as usual. I'll be practicing this for awhile, thanks!
thanks
You explain the same way my brain works. The inverse relationship between brake pressure and lean angle really visualized it for me. Thanks
you're welcome
This is absolutely superb youtube clip, as always!
I just watched another 15 minute youtube video about Trail Braking by someone else and at the end of it I had no idea what Trail Braking was about.
Within 30 seconds of watching this Moto-Jitsu Trail Braking clip I fully understood what Trail Braking is all about.
I am new to motorcycling, so loads to lean and Fast Eddie's youtube clips are extremely informative.
Cheers thanks
Thanks! :)
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Nice video again! I hadn't ridden in decades, but since I recently got out of Afghanistan in mid-August I had some time to start riding again in Thailand where motorcycle rentals are relatively cheap and plentiful. I started off by renting a single-cylinder baby Y MT15 and then moved on to a Y R6, H CB650 F, and K SX6 out in Eastern Thailand along the Cambodian border. I was practicing rear brake only trail braking just to re-learn the basics as you just happen to discuss in one of your more recent videos. This video gives me more stuff to work on during my next trip. (January 2022)
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Ok this explained it beautifully, I get the concept of trail braking now. I had a wobble on a chicane last week, accelerating too keenly out of the final turn and instinctively threw on the front brake to check my speed. In a way I stumbled onto trail braking as it felt safer than I anticipated, it just needed better care in execution
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I've been trail breaking for years before I knew it had a name. These videos have the best explanation of the concepts involved. Of course, I am in no way the caliber of rider as you, not even close, but I try to ride smart and safe and learn new things about riding when I can that will benefit.
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Great video, thanks for sharing this. I’m not fast, but I try to be smooth, including using trail braking as often as possible. I love how you so easily explain and visually demonstrate what it took me years or riding to learn. Of course I still make mistakes, but I’m also trying to get better every ride.
Thanks :)
unrelated but wanted to say thank you. i have been practising for more than a year and random motorcyclist on a parking lot for learners have been coming to me telling how much they admire my technique. today a guy told me my riding was insipiring to him... kinda how your was to me when i was doing my baby steps year ago. 26k km in which good thousand was on a parking lot
You’re welcome!
Headed to Appalachia and the invisible roads, as much as I study and practice trail braking, this was enlightening.
thanks
Amazing. Recently started riding. Countersteering made a big change in cornering along with counter balancing on slower curves along stop signs. But had been almost run over by cars who speed 10-15 miles over speed limit in local roads. Want to try trail braking at speeds greater than 40mph on local roads and see if i can feel the 100 split effect. Everyday I drive and practice for 45 mins to an hour on less traffic and back roads. Love ur videos
Thanks! Keep at it :)
That much experience translates into the confidence you have.
Education, mentorship, experience all wrapped into one :)
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I should add, as you are trail braking going from full brake to lean you want to be very smooth into the turn. Being jerky on the throttle or brakes in a turn is a good way to upset the suspension and likely cause you to crash. Great video brother 💪
thanks, but no where was I talking about "full brake to lean"
I swear you're the only youtuber that actually explained how to trailbrake and in less then 5 minutes!
Many auto drivers do not understand ABS braking that manufacturers had to add brake assist. Brake assist senses a panic stop and makes sure you get into the full 100% ABS. Stand on your brakes, in an emergency, in a car. I own a 2018 Super Duke 1290r with Cornering ABS/Cornering TC. I guess I cheat on my trail braking as, hopefully, the electronics will watch men if too aggressive with trail braking. With Cornering TC, I can literally give full throttle immediately out of the apex. My lap times have improved immensely using electronics. The electronics give me the confidence and warn me if approaching the limits of the bike. I think it is a great learning tool. Like you said, after awhile motor memory kicks in and you are not banging off the electronics as much. Giving a hand full of throttle with the Super Duke out of a corner is a really rush. Without electronics I would of never initially attempted.
Turn off everything then go riding for a week...if you can't do the same things, you're technique needs a lot of work
Got my mastery book today, can’t wait to read it. Thanks for what you do man.
Awesome! Thank you!
I remember when you had 2k subs. Crazy how fast your channel has grown. I love riding more than anything but I wish I had the drive that you have to perfect your skills.
we all have different goals
Trail braking probably saved me from a crash last year and this year too. There was a corner on my regular ride, blind, sharp left, always sand/shit on the side, and for some fucking reason i was phased out while approaching it, thank god i was on the brake while leaning into it, that's when i braked the most in a corner(from 70-80 Km/h to 30-40 in moments). There is like 10 times more grip than people realize, but you have to be smooth as fuck. Thanks again Eddie. Keep it up. And i didn't forget the Knee down pictures i promised, just have to get the time and the balls to try it :)
you're welcome!!!!
Well explained. Trail braking can transform your car driving also. Tons of grip through the corner because you are transferring weight onto the front tires (which are doing the steering)
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Saw the very first video from the channel for like 5 minutes and subbed ! The explanation is just insanely easy :) Excellent Stuff !
Thanks :)
I wanted to add, that your instructions have saved my ass a couple of times. So Thanks! :)
AWESOME!
Just found your channel searching sport bike tips because im moving from a cruiser to a supersport and damn you are an amazing instructor along with your peers that teach other things
I just re watched the rebound damping video and i guess that is you i thought it was a different person sorry about the confusion you are the motorcycle messiah
Thanks!
This is a very useful technique, if and only if you are certain that the turn you are leaning into is clean. Otherwise disaster can ensue. Case in point: February 2019 I rented a Honda CB500X (with ABS) in Chiang Mai, Thailand, and set out to do the famous Mae Hong Son loop. Trip of a lifetime. Hundreds of curves, beautiful mountain roads, wonderful friendly people. On the third day, 20 km from my destination in Pai, entered a sharp left downhill curve applying a small amount of trail breaking. As soon as the bike started to lean, the front wheel slid out and down we went. Fortunately I wasn't going fast, but still broke 2 ribs and came close to breaking my hip. How could this have happened? February is the dry season in northern Thailand; it hadn't rained for at least 3 months. But as I stood up from the crash I ran my foot across the ground: it was slick, like the black ice we get in early Spring here in western Pennsylvania, invisible and extremely slippery. Of course then I realized, all those months of dry weather meant no rain had washed the accumulated grime from the road. Since that experience I simply don't trust trail braking, I'm sure it's a valuable technique to use on the track, but on public roads with surfaces you have no idea what they're like until you're committed it's just too risky.
Even if it’s not, take dirt bike courses to how not to freak out if going over gravel/sand etc
Great instruction. Your the Sensei of Motorcycles
Wow, thanks
Very nicely said. The only other thing is to take into account is road conditions and the state of the bike which is only logic I guess but still I had a mate crash doing his trail breaking in the wet with bold and old dried up tires, being aware of those things and the importance of having your bike in optimal condition is very important especially on the road.
It’s rider technique that made him crash not the bike or road conditions
@@MotoJitsu it is always the teqnique yes, he never adjusted the teqnique to the state of the bike.
@@MotoJitsu same teqnique but more gentle haha
Thanks a lot for your very ingormative videos.
So we lean , go towards apex with trail braking until we see the exit. Questions are
1. While trail braking , may be 5% though the corner with lean, throttle should be fully closed ? Or bit open?
2. Then gradually reduce lean ease front brake, apply throttle back , correct?
You're welcome! No...apex has nothing to do with street riding and seeing the exit is dependent on the type of corner you're on and pace you're doing if you decide to trail brake.
1. Depends...if I'm at the track going really fast, I go from 100% to 0% throttle immediately then get hard on the front brake...I start to lean and trail off brake pressure, then get back on the throttle about 1-2% until the bike is pointed in the right direction then I start to accelerate as I bring the bike upright again.
For street riding, I don't do any of that.
@@MotoJitsu thanks for ur detailed explanation.
For street riding we can completely ignore apex n go with simple O-I-O line?
And until we see exit we can go with slight trail brake , may be 2% front brake and maintain throttle to maintain steady reduced n comfortable speed along the corner until we see exit?
One we are close to exit, trail off brake, reduce lean add add more throttle gradually?
Correct?
This is all complete for country side street environment
that was comprehensive. Thanks for this
Glad you enjoyed it!
I never actually studied trailbraking but it's what I've been doing naturally in 20 years of high speed riding. Cool to know I wasn't wrong.
what I take from this vid....... the better you know your bike the better you will ride it. Its very hard to describe something thats intuitive . Like everything in life, the more you practice, the better you will get. Just like you know when to change gears, you will know when to brake more/less or roll on /off instinctively. knowledge is power, pick your lines early and have faith in your tyres grip. Get to know the roads you ride before you start to try to ride like motojitsu can. Correct me if im wrong.
Nothing about this video is intuitive, need to be taught, then need to practice, a lot in order for it to really make sense.
@@MotoJitsu your right, nothing about the vidio is intuitive, but in my opinion, after you have practiced many hours like you say, things like trail breaking BECOME intuitive.
Great episode.
I've been learning to ride for 9 months now, and I'm always cautious of down hill turns that require full breaking near the base due to intersection... always something i'm very cautious about...
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I like to practice trail braking every time I stop. To ease off the brake so smoothly that the front forks don’t decompress at final stop.
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Best explanation I've heard. Now i realize that I've been doing this the whole time without know that's what it's called lol
best explanation ive seen. ive done this for years cycling but never really thought about it. i wish theyd teach you advance techniques at riding school
thanks :)
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What does a job have to do with Patreon, mate?
@@MotoJitsu you like making videos ok great but im not your daddy. patreon is begging.
Patreon is a tip jar...and I have a job. Do you?
Great tip on applying 10% and turning in circles in a parking lot! Been doing a lot of emergency braking practice. Didn’t know you could turn ABS off. Will have to check to see if I can. My Heritage doesn’t have much lean before I start scrapping the footboards.
Some bikes you can turn ABS off...not all. Yes, bikes are either made for performance or comfort, not many are both
I learned the technique through trial and error when I was a kid and before mandatory structured training was a thing. It becomes intuitive with experience. Trainers try to explain that intuition to newbies with technobabble. Not only does it confuse them, it confuses me. 😂
you could be doing the wrong thing....take formal high level training like Champ School MotoJitsu.com/courses
@@MotoJitsu I could be, but I don't think so. After 48 years of being licensed, I have never run wide of a corner, and remain accident free. Best of luck with your business though.
You don't know what you don't know....just like you don't know much about physics unless you go back to school to learn...just experience won't teach you high level stuff.
thank you watching this 5 minute video taught me more than I have learned in the past year
I have been following you since before I bought my bike about 18 months ago. Always thankful for your content!! Btw, loving the newer look.
you're welcome!! :)
This made a heap of sense. Do you have videos of you practicing the lean angles in a car park?
Thank you sir for that excellent explanation. No videos or graphics but you have opened my eyes to something I have struggled with and done it in z way that many others could not.
glad to hear it! Lots more videos to go through :)
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Now that I've put a couple thousand miles on my bike, mostly in turns and parking lot practice, I'm trying some of the more advanced techniques. It's amazing what is achievable on a motorcycle. Most of the roads where I live are twisty but the speed limit is so slow that practicing trail braking is hard because just letting off the throttle is enough to get me thru the corner. I need to go to a track....
Keep at it:)
Thank you and thank you. Along with your other videos you've taught us not to fear adding or subtracting appropriate input while cornering. Most importantly, get to know your bike! Have met someone who has confirmed your teaching skills and hope to learn first hand from you some day soon. Props from SoCal!
you're welcome!
nice!!! the trailbreaking you are talking about is with the frontbrake. how is it with the rearbreak?
Doesn’t matter the brake but I have an entire video all about rear brake trail braking
great explanation in simple understandable terms, bravo !
Glad it was helpful!
Okay, so here is how I see it then (and thanks for this video!). Everyone applies the brakes before a corner but what trail braking is, is applying a percentage of brake pressure in relation to the percentage of lean angle THROUGH a corner vs simply braking to the speed you are comfortable with BEFORE the corner and not applying brakes in the corner while leaning. This allows the rider to maintain more control and speed through the corner because you can learn to apply SOME of the brakes while leaning. If you trail on and off the brakes according to, and not exceeding, your lean angle you can take the corner at a greater speed but with more control and safety. Is that about right?
You're releasing pressure as you lean into it...but if something happens, you can increase pressure again in the turn as long as you do it smoothly.
trail braking has been huge for me. was frustrated not to keep up with traffic on switchbacks before; now i can. ty ty ty. now for a question: how much would i miss my K100RS forks if i move to a newer bmw K1300 "duolever" (hossak) design? there seems to be no "trail" there, so my wheelbase won't shorten (ever). is there a compensating gain in some other bit of the steering/braking geometry?
Technique is what matters, not the bike or technology it may or may not have.
It is imperative and absolute must to get ro understand your bike,first and foremost.
Image trail braking and hit the brakes to sudden during a deep turn. In my country there are a lot roundabouts,so I use the experience as practice. These videos are only beneficial to the riders safety. Thank you for your time.
You're welcome!
Appreciate this video. Helpful explanation to a newer rider.
Hi would just like to thank you for taking the time to make these videos I now recommend them to anyone who asks me questions on riding. Easy to understand and yet very detailed. Well done and thank you.
Sir, you are the best at doing this online. Thank you.
Wow, thanks
I think what you said at the beginning, that you don't have to trail off the brakes, is an important point for people to understand. That you can also "trail" on the brakes as well so to speak.
Pressure braking..all depends on how much lean you have
@@MotoJitsu To be sure! It's a wonder how afraid people can be of the brakes, but have little problem twisting the throttle..doesn't make any sense
Most people simply don't have a high level or riding education because they don't seek out high level courses...go to champschool.com or motojitsu.com/courses and I have a video about all the moto-books I recommend everyone to read...THEN go practice and see for yourself
@@MotoJitsu And I have to say, as a longtime viewer of yours I do appreciate these shorter form reminders/lessons. Love your channel
thanks!
love these videos. more people ought to make the connection between practice and having fun when they first learn to ride so that there's less resistance to the idea. dirt bike riders don't have an issue with taking baby steps to mastering those big jumps, why is there a reluctance to furthering your understanding of the bike you ride when you hit the road? why do we so often teach basic skills under the fear of death instead of enjoyment? risk is part of the appeal of riding and controlling that risk is something every rider should not only do but make them feel like a badass whether they're on a supersport or a vespa
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Do you have a video showing us how you get familiar with lean angle like you explain in this video?
Practice more.
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How do you like Super Duke? Do you notice narrow powerband - from 6 till 9 krpm?
It's good...very vibrate-ey...power everywhere
This video was SOOOO helpful compared to others! Keep it up man
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Being able to communicate like this is art.
Education and practice! just like riding :)
So my.girl.and I rode 8 hours in NH this weekend. She is always in lead with her Connie. She told me that if i say," brake brake brake brake" again she was gonna rip my sena off my helmet. !!!! This lesson probably saved my life!!!!
lol!
Love your hair marine. I do the same thing when In don't want a GF. I grow it out and do my thing. Oh yeah my bad trail braking....
Lol I have 400k on two wheels it wasn't untill I started watching your videos that I started braking in corners. ( Bagger rider) I've learned so much from watching you. I appreciate your videos. BTW I'm doing the Yamaha riding course as you said to do. Thanks devil dog !!
Semper Fi.
After watching this I went out and tried it on my scooter. I have no idea why the hell I was thinking - that trail braking meant using the rear brake? Since the rear tire trails the bike I guess? I was taught to load up the front tire before entering a turn and them release the brake an let the tire and suspension do the work. yeah no. This technique immediately gives you more confidence and speed, and it feels much safer. Also watching Nick Ienatsch squish that tire into the road makes things even clearer. Thank you!
Doesn't matter what brake you use...trail braking is the same...you can even trail brake with both or do one or the other at different points of the turn for different reasons.
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@@MotoJitsu I get it now, but I just thought it was like when you see racers sliding into corners hard on the rear brake and letting it trail off. My "technique" was to feather the clutch in corners (like trail braking only 100% wrong) Man I need to get back into classes! Thanks for all the great info here.
None of my videos have anything to do with racing...I have a separate playlist talking about track riding however. Yes, don't use the clutch at all for corners.
what you do to maintain speed, I tend to slowdown to much :))
All depends on what speed you want to take the corner at
You're pretty good at this stuff. I do it without realising but not perfectly by any stretch, still too many hot corners, I will continue to listen to you i think....... 😜
:) thanks
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@@MotoJitsu yeah yeah yeah.......! 😆👍
How come when I trail brake I fall behind the rest of the riders in the canyons. It almost seems like they’re not braking and zipping through all the corners. Am I braking too early and it’s slowing me down so I fall behind? I usually brake about 10-15 yards before the corner. I’m averaging around 40-55MPH around a corner depending on how tight it is. So I feel any faster is unsafe but I’m probably doing something wrong. Thanks for all the videos and tips. Best moto channel on RUclips.
No idea...but trail braking is just a tool, doesn't mean you need it for every turn.
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Is trail breaking implemented on scooters too? I like to take my 125cc scooter to the twisties since i'm not old enough to get a liscence and get a proper motorcycle. Thanks for the tips eddie really appreciate it!
Any bike
MotoJitsu® thanks eddie! You know damn right i'll be ripping the twisties today 😁
Great explanation of the technique but watch for gravel or slippery services if using ANY front brake when leaning the bike. Experienced riders will of course do this
Yes no matter what you're doing, watch for slippery services
Simply awesome. There is soooooo much to practice. Thanks Greg for opening new world once again.
you're welcome
I’m practicing trail breaking with your techniques and I’ve found things in my riding that I’ve didn’t know was wrong until I started with this .
There’s a teacher on RUclips called “roadcraft Nottingham” who has a video out on “why you should not trail breaking “ have you seen it and if so what’s you view on it?
Can be interesting to hear your thoughts in the opposite view on trail breaking .
Thanks !
It’s not right or wrong, trail braking is a tool. Learn every tool and master it. Just because you know how to do something doesn’t mean you need to do it every turn. Anyone who says they shouldn’t do or learn trail braking is simply an inexperienced and uneducated rider.
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Thanks!
“I have a very good understanding of what I mean” is an ironic way to put it. Luckily we know we can trust you 😂. I know exactly what you mean it’s just a funny
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Thank you MotoJitsu! Your passion and sharing it has helped me to be a better motorcyclist. Thank you very much! 🙏
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Would be really interested to hear how trail braking works on more cruiser style and heavier bikes. Is it the same ? Would you suggest more brakes to slow or using engine compression before corners?
Any bike, same technique. All depends on your pace
I'm new and trying to eat up everything that I can. Have you done a vid on emergency breaking when in a turn? Theres a lot of blind and sharp turns in the Appalachia mtns, and plenty of times I've gone around a turn theres a herd of deer in the road or a car spun out and is sideways in the road, baseball sized rocks in the road, etc. If theres a rural/mtn riding channel that teaches like you do but for out in the sticks I'll take a link.
Any vids on emergency braking for wildlife running across the road (deer/bear)? They taught us to slowdown as much as possible and just hit the animal and not try to swerve bc you can hit a pole or tree or flip the car on the embankment.
Thank you for your time, @MotoJitsu®
Yes I have :)
Is the theory behind trail braking to compress the front tire thus giving you more traction through the turn? And will using the rear brake instead cause the same front tire compression? Thanks for all you do for the riding community.
Yes that's one of many benefits
I'm new to motorcycling. Why do you need to trailbreak or better when to trailbreak?
No one said you need to...it's a tool, just like body position or line selection. Doesn't mean you need every tool for every turn. All depends on what you feel like doing, type of corner, the pace you're going, etc.
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It's so weird.. I went pocket bike racing today and I was freaking trail breaking all day long.. it was so easy and came naturally but on my big bike, nope!
The ONLY thing I don’t understand and have not found to be mentioned ANYWHERE is - what do I do with the clutch when 1) entering the corner 2) start leaning and trailing off the brakes. Is the clutch open at all times or while I go from slowing to trail-braking, I hold the clutch down and release as I start to lean or..? Please help :(
That’s because you don’t do anything with it.
That clears up EVERYTHING! Thanks a lot! But just to be sure: so I settle in the gear I am comfortable with when I enter and then I focus on my right hand and left just holds the grip, correct?
You do not do anything with the clutch for cornering. Only time you use it is when you're shifting, that's it.
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Roger that, forget the clutch :) superb. This was bothering me for a while as I couldn’t get my head around what does the left hand do, now it’s all about practise.
Already exploring through your vids and material, thanks a lot!!!
No BS , pure knowledge
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Question for you... it is either throttle either brake, never both and also never none as neutral phase makes bike float and lessens the grip... so eeficient riding you're either on throttle or brake... now let's say you enter a corner and keep 20% brake pressure and throttle is off, you're leaned and just find yourself slowing too much and it"s still to early to roll the throttle as you did not even reach apex... now, is the solution just to release the brake pressure as you're already to slow and start adding throttle WHILE you're leaning, doing it all gently?
The whole first part of what you said is more towards track...99% of my videos are about street riding where there are many times I'm overlapping...but I have to going at a quick pace to even use trail braking in the first place. Right after I lean the bike I give it 1-3% throttle just to maintain the speed...this is not acceleration, that's something you can do only when the bike is pointing in the right direction. Apex has nothing to do with street riding nor do I car about it on street.
@@MotoJitsu thanks , that was kind of my question, how do you manahet to add or hold any throttle same time when using trail braking? If I enter at quick pace ( street ride speaking) then trail brake and low brake pressure at let's say first half of corner is only thing I keep, moment I release brake fully is moment when I start adding throttle. That's the only thing that confused me as in last video with your KTM you said keep both, throttle and break pressure which is confusing... thanks, keep up
There's no one way to do this...all depends on the pace, type of corner, etc. If it's a long blind corner, maybe decreasing radius...I'll keep 5% pressure on the front brake until I see the exit. At the same time I already added 1-3% throttle to maintain my speed.
Thank you for this! I appreciate how you presented the info.
Glad it was helpful!
I usually brake with the rear first, for just like a 1/2 second to load the front wheel, and I usually keep the rear brake in contact (just touching) thru the whole corner. Nobody does that anymore? Maybe noone else ever did...
whatever works for you
@@MotoJitsu I didn't say it worked, I just said I do it 😁. I enjoy your videos!
Many techniques can be learned from you.. thank you bro.
you're welcome!
Hello again Eddie....do you have a video of when and how do you downshift while trail braking?do you downshift at the mid corner?
Always get your downshifting done before you lean
@@MotoJitsu thank you so much!
You’re welcome 😊
While you're trailbreaking, you're also counter/push steering?