Tiktok ruined kpop choreography.
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- 0:00 Intro
0:34 Was it always like this?
3:21 My Criteria
4:47 Example 1
6:41 Example 2
8:05 Example 3
8:59 Summary
9:55 Outro
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Thank you to @hsfhanaa for the idea! Today I decided to analyze which kpop girl group dances have changed in the past couple years to cater more to Tiktok (featured groups consist of Blackpink, Aespa, and (G)i-dle). In the front end of my video, I showcase a brief history segment in which I show where the trajectory of choreography was leading us before Tiktok (starting all the way from the first generation) -- this is where Girls Generation, Itzy, 2NE1, and many more are featured! Subscribe if you want to see more content like this and comment your opinions/other videos you want me to do! (That being said, please be respectful of everyone’s opinions in the comment section down below).
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Credits to @hsfhanaa for the idea!
There was a mission in Street Woman Fighter 2 that was about doing a choreography for a song, and the best choreography wasn't chosen because the chorus wouldn't be suitable for a ''challenge''.
Ain’t no way bro that’s crazy!
Wasn't the dancer's reasoning for not choosing the choreography was because they couldn't execute it better than the original so they couldn't steal it?
yep, it was Chili. Hwasa chose 1Ms dance because it was easier for people in TikTok to dance to
Hwasa excuse saying that "itd be hard to perform" was just another way of saying "the dance isnt tiktok enough"
@@Piinkstar01 no, Hwasa is not really strong dancer, so she chose what she can execute properly, that's all.
Remember when Chaeyeon had several levels of her choreo’s difficulty. It didn’t change the original choreo during the last chorus, yet people still could replicate her choreo ’cus everyone just chose their preferred level of difficulty. This should become a standard tbh
Yeah some fans were too lazy
@@annanowak9620I mean.. she's a professional dancer and some people out there ain't even dancers why would you expect someone who doesn't dance to do a hard/mid-level choreo 💀
@nahim2261 well then practice everyday or don't even try
@@ello_pleb 💀💀💀? Some people stan artists for the music, some don't even have that much time to learn tik tok dances cause c'mon.. some people got things to do as well.
If they can do the dance well good, but If not, remember that it's not mandatory 💀
I prefer a full dance performance over a TikTok challenge, I'm not into TikTok dances
The main attraction of kpop for me has always been the dances. Very few Western artists do complex dances while singing - even if they *can* do it, they choose not to.
I've noticed that I lost interest in Itzy when they started doing dances that were basic. I didn't even mind the changes in musical direction, but once they lost their USP of complex dances, I lost interest in them
@@kf5338 For me, it's both dances and the vocals, I still listen to k-pop but I never prefer tiktok dance challenge, it's not my thing, I love normal dance performance and singing only (like Park Bom for her singing only)
@@kf5338itzy started having medical and physical problems due to their choreos since they had to perform multiple times every single day when they were promoting their songs, so it makes sense why they would start going for more basic choreos
@@kf5338I don’t think itzy ever started doing basic dances, all their dances hard. Like, born to be is a really hard dance
They could just make a version for tik tok and keep the real Coreo harder to execute
before tiktok, only kpoppers knew kpop choreographys, now everyone knows kpop choreographys.
Is that a problem ?? 😭
@Adhel-hv1on I think it is kinda of a problem, but a side of it is good, actually.
@@moonshyein not a problem but you can definitely see how kpop is trying to cater their song and dance for more tiktok clout. Songs are getting shorter and repetitive (w/o bridge) so it can easily be consumed and performed on tiktok.
Yea
@@ya.02I'd argue that that makes it a problem because we see the quality dropping a lot
Jisoo’s flower be like :
Honestly, only few songs of them doesn't really fall under the category of "virality" which there is only 2 but the rest of their songs heavily falls unders the category of "virality" by making easy sounding, repetitive songs mainly focusing on the beat in order to appeal more for the General Public.
it suits her dancing abilities...
@@rinku_yay😭
its not even just the choreography, songs have become shorter and more repetitive or bland just so itll trend on tiktok like super shy or any lsfm song starting from antifragile era. i hate what tiktok has done to kpop, its so frustrating to find good music that isnt annoying and repetitive or that isnt 8 seconds long because every company seems to be aiming for quick trendy songs to release.
I think they also make the chorus dance easier so that other idols can learn it quickly. So many idols cross-promote while at music shows, so it needs to be something they can quickly teach each other and then film the tiktok in limited time.
The way my jaw dropped literally after you said (G)I-DLE... Only a name explained it all that I just couldn't find the right words to say whenever I watch and compare they older dance practices to the new ones. You just blew my mind
also a note shinee was the first group to popularize dance practices and complicated dances like lucifer, they were also one of the first groups out there to work with a well known choreographer, michael jackson's one, for sherlock
Honestly, the "Tiktokification" of K-pop dances isn't always because of Tiktok. Idols are still human, and dancing with such powerful choreography and constantly performing multiple songs WHILE singing is almost impossible, even for one trained in that area. I think ITZY deserves some slack, those girls sing live and if you've seen their older choreography, it's pretty much a struggle to get through one song performance. ITZY has also sustained multiple injuries because of this and had to "Tiktokify" their choreography so that it wouldn't continue to hurt them.
I think a bad example of "Tiktokification" in K-pop dances has to be Blackpink's 'Pink Venom,' that dance is so simple that it just exposes the simplicity of the actual production of the song. I think that a good example of a mix of both is IVE's Lovedive, it's simple, just like Pink Venom, but it perfectly encapsulates the essence of the song, while still making it perfect for TikTok and a solid Choreography for performances.
I think that groups like ATEEZ and LE SSERAFIM are actually giving us solid K-pop choreography, that goes hard and is great for others to use on the platform, without sacrificing a great performance.
le sserafim?????????
yasss i believe in ateez supremacy
@@marthamelchers look at "easy" by them its solid
@@marthamelcherswhat’s not clicking?
@@dojavillager5998 Le sserafim's choreos are by far the most tiktokfied choreos in K-pop 😭😭 It's time to admit
honestly ive never been too fond of tiktok dance challenges and i think they have peaked during lockdown 2020 to 2021, so kpop choreos who fixate on becoming a tiktok challenge just come off as rly inauthentic, unoriginal and out of touch with reality to me. i do see some kpop songs trend online from time to time (new jeans being a great example here) but companies effort to jump on any given trend is what makes kpop even more inauthentic to me than it already is. i feel like it wasnt as direct back then, now everything seems very much manufactured.
i do love seeing my favorite idols interact but 1. a lot of tiktok dance challenges arent appealing to me and 2. a 15 second video of them not even looking at eachother and smiling and making hand gestures at the end is just overly awkward. ntm the horrific white washing and overly edited videos… they also record them in very ugly places such as staircases or hallways. whenever i come across an idol doing a dance challenge or any sort of trendy tiktok challenge i skip the video. maybe ive just grown out of kpop since i mainly keep up with youtube content and their music releases and i have never been interested in any short form content (specifically reels, TikToks and yt shorts).
the only tiktok challenges who have been interesting to me are marks mommae challenge and the boyz sunwoos water challenge.
I totally agree! It used to be fun to see idols who are friends w each other get together and do each other’s dances but now they are all pushed to do it w random ppl and it looks so awkward 😭 Kpop loves to capitalize on everything they possibly can till they milk it dry istg (also I love that you watched and commented on my video even if you are losing some interest in kpop 🫶 I appreciate it a lot!)
you have to keep in mind you're only talking about the western side of tiktok, where in 2020-2021 the renegade and dance moves peaked. but in south korea and other east asian tiktok's side of things, they never actually stopped doing the dance challenges, especially ones that were mostly just hand choreos.
Same
Sí, lo peor es que si llegan a interactuar entre sí capaz y los llenan de rumores de citas 💀
forget tiktokfication of kpop dance THE ENTIRETY OF KPOP IS BEING TIKTOKIFIED ☠️ songs aren't longer than 2 minutes
It’s actually sad to see the TikTokification of the music industry, especially K-pop.
honestly i think newjeans is a perfect mash of choreography that is ART and FUN, maybe minus super shy, but i heard the voguing in that choreo is hell
The pre-chorus Is hell
Its honestly funny bc in terms of music they unfortunaly suffer from the trend of globalization(more english than korean) and short or even unoriginal music production in kpop the most, yet they're dances arent those tryhard tiktok ones.
Art?? New Jeans can’t even dance. Nothing about those industry plants are art.
@@vixxexo6855hanni was literally in a dance group in australia pre-debut what are you yapping about
@@vixxexo6855 someone’s jealous
I noticed this shift too especially with groups like Itzy. Their choreo went from people struggling to recreate it, to very easy to mimic moves. I just hope kpop finds a nice balance because virality is essential for kpop and that means easier to mimic choreo. Right now, however, it seems kpop is focusing solely on virality and not individuality which made these groups so enviable from the beginning. With 5th gen, the groups really only focus on being viral and kinda lose that individuality that 3rd and 4th gen have. But we're only at the beginning of 5th gen so hopefully more groups become less like content machines.
tbh i don’t think the intensity of itzy’s choreo was bc of tiktok during the cheshire the girls talked about how their choreo was affecting their bodies and causing injuries i think during the sneakers-cake era it was just the jyp giving them a break for their bodies
What I dislike about this trend is that this simplified dance mixed with the “anti-drop” style choruses means that they put all the exciting difficult singing and complicated dances together to keep viewers’ attention so it’s practically impossible for any live singing.
So true, its why I stopped doing kpop dance and just do regular hiphop/modern classes cus I was like these are just simple tiktok dances
Newjeans is literally the epitome of "make songs & choreography for the sake of virality". Every song they have is easy sounding.
I personally would have said that most NewJeans' choreographies do not fall under the criteria of 'TikTokfication' from this video (i would exclude Super Shy from this statement^^). Sure, a lot of their 'point moves' in the chorus are supposed to go viral, but in terms of levels, fluidity/smoothness, formations switches etc. their hook choreos are clearly different and more difficult to pull off than the examples used in this video.
I gotta say I love how delightfully chaotic the editing is 😂❤
outside of choreography, the song in general as well😭 like the lyrics are 70% in english, no bridge, barely a rap and under three minutes just for the song to become a “trend” on tiktok.
I do agree with your statements, not only the choreography, the chorus' song itself right now is so tiktokfication. Although, I argue because it's KPOP afterall. Ignoring 1st gen (I dont know a lot of them), since 2nd gen even the chorus choreography usually the more simplify than the other part of the song since it was the only part for all of them to breath but yes, nowadays the structure is pretty funny lol. Especially since 4th gen, they usually have more complex choreo and suddenly boom, the super simplify choreo which kinda mind blowing. Not complaining tho, it's still fun to watch the challenge and after all, it's a business and entertainment industries thus they need marketing to be able to profit, it's a strategy. It's just simply globalization and KPOP.
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID THIS
The first time I noticed this was with Itzys Cheshire, like that choreography was so bland and simple for a girl group that focuses only in dance and that had previous fire and challenging choreography.
I know! I feel like that along the first choreographies of them that I was high key disappointed because when u have a group of very strong dancers, i felt like that highlight chorus dance part felt so watered down and too trendy.
tbh i don’t think the intensity of itzy’s choreo was bc of tiktok during the cheshire the girls talked about how their choreo was affecting their bodies and causing injuries i think during the sneakers-cake era it was just the jyp giving them a break for their bodies
we blame tiktok AND hybe
OOMFIEEE!!!
A great example of this is LOONA, the same group who danced to Butterfly choreographed by Bo Park and So What (etc) until Flip That where they all stand in a triangle doing the same dance for the chorus
This is so good! You've clearly done your research. Love the examples you pulled in.
Twice choreographys are the best it powerfull all throughout for example "dance the night away" or "feel special" or "fancy"
lmao why didn't you use hybe groups as an example when they're all tiktok merchants
I wanted to save that company for a whole other video 😭
Finally! Every group under hybe labels makes songs for the sake of virality!!! From the lyrics, composition, to the choreography. They're all meant to cater for people with short attention span!! This is why they're famous, because the songs they release is meant for the general public. In short, an easy sounding/generic pop song in order to play it safe so their groups can be famous & chase that billion dollar dream.
I'm an atiny but the chorus of bouncy felt so tiktokified compared to their previous releases. I hope they go back to releasing more intense and technical choreo because that's why I fell in love with them.
They did intense choreo in chorus this time in crazy form i am so glad
@@fatimamalik5926 more intense than bouncy for sure but compared to halazia or guerrilla its still lower. But im glad the dance breaks are still super intense
@@Silokkes exactly
i literally shit my pants when you said gidle those r my girls😭
I was hoping someone would make a video on this, if not I was going to. I was drawn to Kpop for the dance I hate the turn choreographies have taken. Kpop did not need tiktok back then why are we catering to it now.
EXACTLY!
It would be great if you did a video essay on itzy’s choreographies like you did with lesserafim and aespa
I hate looking at Twice's Instagram profile during comeback season because it's always FLOODED with dance challenges like these other groups do it quite a lot but for some reason Twice will overdo their dance challenge every single time.
as a dancer, i love watching your videos sm
Thank you 🥰🥰🥰
I literally hate Hard choreography 😭
Like they be jumping, on the floor, side to side, running, walking, head movements and literally everything that makes singing hard 💀.
Like why even bother making such a hard choreography when idols are also supposed to sing in a stable voice?
Everytime they run out of breath and get hate for it. And I know Kpop idols are trained for singing stable and dancing at the same time but sometimes its just hard.
Not all difficult dance choreos involve jumping and running. Red Velvet's be natural and Hyolyn's dally have extremely difficult dance choreos but they don't involve jumping and spinning as seen in Itzy or Nmixx
Good choreography does not equal intense choreography! Salty and Sweet by Aespa, Mr. Vampire by Itzy, and Do not Touch by Misamo are all incredible pieces of choreography -- none of which would be considered "hard"! Tiktok is ruining the quality of dances not the intensity
@@DiceyBrycie Yeah the other choreography is good but Le sserafim Easy choreo is kinda hard. They be doing a lot of steps during chorus which ruins the stability!
@@TryHardLmao i mean they couldn't really do it even without the choreo so...
I think the reason (G)I-DLE does the tiktokfication of the chorus is because they aren't known as a dance-focused group, so the only way for them to maintain relevance regarding the dance aspect of kpop is this
Could be wrong tho
All I have to say is: *YES!!!!!!*
Now time to actually watch the video lol
aespa girls was so blatantly obvious, that move is so awkward as well like WHYYY are they just raising a leg and twisting their wrists.. while rock handing.. and giving a slight bounce??
I know there are still enough groups with complicated choreography, but kinda miss those times when formations were trendy. Yeah it's not for challenges and if members go on hiatus or even leave the group... the "tree of life" definitely becomes less lively!
THANK YOU for adding MAMAMOO!! I so appreciate someone seeing Mamamoo as a group who's choreo is amazing too :) When people usually do choreo topics, Mamamoo isn't usually brought up, because their choreo at the beginning wasn't as intricate (but it was still really good), but that was because they always sang live (and still do), and their vocals came first. They started doing more intricate choreo starting with HIP because people were saying Mamamoo couldn't dance. Which they had been doing since they started, so it was just jealousy rearing it's ugly head, but Mamamoo proved them wrong with more intricate choreographies, and still sang live to top it off!
AHHH I LOVE THIS I saw them live and they were absolutely amazing!!! They are definitely one of my ults and the amount of talent they have is insane!!!
I saw them live too! (In Atlanta) and they were SPECTACULAR! They are my Alt Bias Group, as well as Hwa Sa being my Ult Bias in everything! They are the group that started me listening to kpop, (since 2019)and they are STILL the best there is!@@DiceyBrycie
I agree i agree i agree i agree i agree
I don’t think they were “tiktokified”. The dances in back in the day (2nd gen groups, some 3rd gen up to probably 2017ish) were a range of difficulty level, and there were songs that had what some would call simple choreo or even with trendy chorus pieces wtv. Basically, dances have always been like this and they’re pretty much going back to that possibly for the artists’ sake but yes also because of the catchy trendy movements (the “point” dances/moves). They always have been focused on having dances with a good point move (an example like today would be IVE’s Love Dive; but everyone wants their ‘Tell Me’, ‘Gee’, ‘Shake It’, or ‘Sorry Sorry’ moment - and the list goes on). I think that never changed.
What I think happened is that K-pop fans, especially new ones who haven’t looked too much into older groups or even ‘nugu’ groups, have gotten too used to the trend of extremely hard choreography (or more active choreography wtv) to the point that any simplifications are just boring and under stimulating to them. There has always been a mix, I just think those fans are starting to realize or see it lol. Meanwhile on the other hand, some people are enjoying the fact that simple choreography is back and they can participate in covers (or TikTok challenges now/again).
Anyway, I like both and I’m glad to see the return of it. One is nostalgic being a fan of 2nd gen+ songs and choreo, the others are good workouts lol. Hope they can find a balanced mix and if not big groups, there’s always little ones who might. 🩷
I literally just thought this watching the choreo to BoA's new song compared to all the dancing I've seen her do in the past. I prob would've noticed sooner if i was more into 3rd and 4th gen (started with BoA back around '01 and also big into 2nd Gen WG and 2NE1, aside from many other less popular 1st/2nd gen artists)
I don't know where I saw this but i'm pretty sure that lisa said herself that she wanted to have a easier dance for lalisa so the fans could have learned that easly
I've never been into K-pop tiktok dances 💁♀️ i like the fact that we can get interactions between idols through that, but K-pop is officially losing its meaning. To some extent, those strict rules had kept K-pop together, not that i am saying dating ban and starvation should be done. There were a few rules that had kept it together. Now kpop has become westernised, just as it is becoming more and more relevant we see the original K-pop drifting away.
But what's the point of those tiktok interactions when they'll act like complete strangers afterwards anyway? We didnt have this thing in 1st, 2nd, or 3rd gen, though we got interactions friendships and many more bonds. On the other hand, locals got a taste of their hate, they had to gulp down the fact that they've been dancing and vibing to kpop, but i also see some ruining the choreos for me. I don't want to see that. Some of these Tiktokers use the same dance moves gain and again and in kpop songs it kind of checks off the vibe for me. I would still prefer to go back to those old times but change is important. Good thing or bad, we somehow saw it coming and if we didn't atleast we know what the futhre might have for us.
everyone saying “agh oh no, this is so for tiktok🤮” are the same that then criticize the companies for not promoting groups on socials and stuff 😂
Socials are the main source of promotion for everything guys!
I actually dont care about choreo...if their song is good...i will stand them
I agree tho
gidle's choreos are always perfect #SLAY
DUH DOY.. we all know the problem.. offer solutions
This is js part 1! 😊
I think choreo was always a way of promotion it just got worst with tiktok and this affected only the groups that are known for their choreo u don’t see the same thing with bts in exemple
Undertale starting vibes
I kinda get your point, but consider that kpop has always had simpler choruses and capitalised on choreos going viral. The best example is Gangnam Style
Lisa asked for easy choreography tho.
i thought le sserafims fearless or epabw would be here lul
.... that's my phrase? Remember when I gave you the idea and literally said "tiktokification of kpop choreo"?
OMG IM SO SORRY 😭 After you commented that I put “The Tiktokification of Kpop Choreo” in my google docs of video ideas and when I started the script I js completely forgot where I got the idea from and straight up assumed I made it up I SWEAR I WOULDN’T INTENTIONALLY STEAL ANYTHING I credited you in the comments and description to compensate but still I’m sorry
If I make multiple parts I’ll be sure to credit you IN the video
It's like everyone is getting paid to blame TikTok now....
I love tiktok! I’m moreover js blaming the companies
@@DiceyBryciethey do what it needs to be done to push the song and the artist up in charts so.. why we would blame them its busniess
@@abcdoooabcdI’m a dancer so it’s more of my personal perspective on a company forcing the choreographer to alter their original art to fit a promotional standard - it’s the same thing with marvel overseeing the directing of their movies so much so that they don’t allow the natural art to shine 😅 like I said in my video it isn’t a problem case-by-case but it’s kinda sad when you don’t see many dances look authentic within kpop 🤷♂️
Well Tiktok is garbage, and deserves all the blame.
5:24 go watch the new jd map for greedy by tate mcrae and say that again lol
no jk
why is your mic peaking?
Idk 😭 I don’t have a professional mic, so it’s prolly cause of that - did it affect the videos quality?
@@DiceyBrycieNo the video was still very good honestly
@@DiceyBrycieit's just super super loud at low volume
Hm idk why that is tbh 🤷♂️ it’s not like that for me - are you talking about my mic or the whole video?
@@DiceyBrycie your mic the whole video.
Heavy on (G)-Idle 0
Dude tone it down with the editing it lowers the quality of the video with all this flashlight
I'm sorry, I was trying to avoid visual copyright since that's been a huge problem for me, but I definitely see how I went a little overkill (especially at the beginning)! I hope you still found a way to enjoy the video! ❤
Its not ruined. Things change according to demands of audience new audience wants it and they like it. We may not like it.😅
yes it is ruined, choreos literally makes no sense and looks dumb
@@frenchfriiess Respectfully I disagree. They have a constraint that they need to have a challenge- worthy portion in their routines. Amazing things about such constraints is that they force you to be innovative.
U can write only few words created urban dictionary, u can only write 5 words which rhymes such constraints created poetry.
Change is often not beautiful specially for older people like me, but it's a natural course of life
@@frenchfriiess Also music videos used to have these Hook steps something catchy easy to imitate. People do them at parties, in school functions. I do not see it any different from that.
Kids will do these challenges with their friends and families and they are going to appreciate it more than it actually is. Even if it doesn't have aesthetics people r going to be more fond of it down the line because they created memories.
That's my opinion.🫰
@@gamesong6600 as they mentioned in the video choreos lack consistency through the song and focus on selling the chorus, is not about the companionship and harmony. If that were the many focus, groups literally wouldn’t have to change a thing, if you have been following kpop for years you can probably have seen that long ago the magic and traction of kpop was the choreos since there was a big wave of dance cover channels covering the songs and they were exciting and entertaining to watch, now try to watch a dance cover in public and tell me you don’t get bored and doesn’t look bland (this is not to offend any of the dance groups, im just trying to explain my opinion). Marketing doesn’t have to revolve tiktok or mainstream. I understand what you are trying to say but i wanted to explain my point of view.
@@frenchfriiess Ur points are valid. I just don't feel pessimistic about it. They r also brainstorming for this new challenge to create something that will go viral and they will get better at it even if at the moment it doesn't seem that way, new talents will come which will be more tuned to the new trends and demands.
Just a random comment, but 5th gen has actually begun last year! Just wanted to point that out, since you said 4th gen is still going on. 😊
I feel like you just made up something to complain about
Complain? I felt like I was pretty neutral throughout
Super shy’s middle chorus is known for being so much easier than the first chorus.
The difficulty rankings go from
6/10- first chorus
(Straight arms, pretty intense, a lot of popping and force applied in certain areas)
8/10- prechorus
(Waacking everywhere, super intense, slight pivots)
2/10- second chorus
(Straight arms, light force, repeated moves, barely any leg movement, simple waacking and hip movements)
You didn't mention Newjeans!!!!!!!?!?!? The leader of tiktok dances. Their choreographies are basically made for tiktok challenges only. Dude.
I don't think so. Just because a dance goes viral doesn't mean it was made for TikTok. Take for example Hype Boy, one of their most viral dances to date. It is neither front facing nor repetitive nor any of the other criteria companies try to meet to make a "Tick-Tock-able" dance in the chorus section. Super Shy has tons of formation changes in it's chorus, ditto is once again everything but stationary with it's formations, as is OMG, ETA and Cool With You. Attention has lot's of formation and level changes, etc. NewJeans are simply insanely popular and people love their dances, specifically because they are NOT typical TikTok dances.
This video is js part 1! 🫶
@@youlikethischainthreedolla8498 sorry. But no. Some of the groups mentioned here have formations in their dances too yet, they were listed here. New jeans make use of overly simplistic dance styles, steps and themes with short songs that ARE for tiktok.
@@DiceyBrycie ok
@@Gasmaya Bruh, doesn't matter if a GROUP has changes formation in other songs, this is about very specific ones (See for example Itzy who had super integrate choreos during debut but also put out stuff like Cheshire which is clearly a chorus made for TikTok (ie, all front facing, no significant changes in position, literally no foot work, simple arm movements etc.). And besides an argument you could make for Super Shy I do not see that in NewJeans. And even that is all but a simple choreo (looking at the prechorus here). I agree that their songs are too short, it is a change that TikTok has made for sure in kpop and music in general, but that has nothing to do with the choreo lmao. I am only talking about dancing here, which is what the discussion here is about.
It’s actually sad to see the TikTokification of the music industry, especially K-pop.