As a newbie hiker who is comparing both of these tents for my first buy I found your explanations very clear and you gave great information and humour!! Thanks so much
Great Comparison and review! I bought the Copper Spur HV UL3 Long (for two people) and I can't tell you how much the minimal extra weight and pack space is worth it. It is so nice for rainy days to have room inside to move around. I agree with wind for the awning but it is nice to be able to cook underneath it when it is raining and I have had no issues with rain leaking off the sides into the tent. I love it so much that I'm eying the UL2 for single backpacking.
I enjoy your videos so much. I bumped into this video by algorithm because I was deciding between tiger wall UL2 and Hornet 2 and watched bunch of related videos. This video literally answered all my questions and helped me made my decision. Then I watched all your videos, because they are entertaining. I found they are all informative, thorough, and most importantly, hilarious. I can tell how much effort you’ve put into them. Please keep making new content! You are doing a great job!
I watch a lot of gear reviews, but rarely ever subscribe to the channels. you got me at the silent pause and facial expression after saying you bought the tents with your own money. watched the whole video without skipping (also rare for me) and subbed. thanks!
Thank you for such an in-depth video showing the differences between these two tents. You have answered several questions I had. I will go with the Copper Spur for the few extra ounces.
Overall great presentation. Thank you for this. A few more Cons to add: 1) it's UL in name only. Really difficult to find another 2P UL tent as heavy as the Copper Spur UL2 2)Not a true 2P tent (it's more of a 1P+). The image you showed at 5:53 says everything you need to know about that. Most hikers who know what they are doing use wide sleeping bags so their elbows aren't on the ground while they sleep. This won't fit two wide sleeping bags. 3) Inferior materials, the SIL nylon this is made of absorbs and retains water, so if you are moving from place to place in wet conditions you're carrying with you a lot of extra water weight in addition to the already heavy tent. Much better to get a tent with a sil-Poly fly which doesn't absorb that water or expand when wet. 4) Overpriced. The Big Agnes tents are not a good value. If you shop around you can find much better tent values out there. In my life I have purchased 3 products made by big agnes and all of them failed and were not suitable for the purpose designed for. Much better to go with a Durston tent, or another alternative like Mountain Hardwear. I bought one of these Copper Spur UL tents and when I realized the many cons returned it back to REI and purchased a better tent which is a true 2P tent. I am done with Big Agnes.
Great video and I like your humor. I purchased the Tiger Wall at REI and returned a month later and exchanged it for the Copper Spur UL 2. As you mentioned the CS has much more room. My scale came out to 3 pounds even. I don't plan on using the awning. Plus the free standing feature one can pick up the tent and move it.
Totally agree! There are pros and cons to each, but the Copper Spur certainly feels more comfortable. Thanks for the kind words and taking the time to watch!
You are very good at explaining things, and not having the video jumping constantly because of the editing is a huge plus. You have a good start, keep up the good work!
Nice thank you! The veranda vestibule setup functions best as a cooking area in bad weather. Having two sides to work with improves your chances of being able to cook in the lee of the prevailing wind. But if this is on your mind, I agree with the reviewer when suggesting that buyers always size UP on the CSHVUL series. Not just because of the 25 inch pad problem (good call!). But because if you are likely to be tent bound in bad weather, cooking out of this amazing tent, you will want and need the extra space. I own three CSHVUL2s and everyone on my trips gets his or her own tent…
Picked up the Cupper Spur to hike the GR20 with a buddy next summer! Will definite be a tight fit, but I plan on using this after that for a long time for just myself. Great humor and great information!
Excellent video! I have the Naturehike Cloud Up 2 tent and the Big Agnes Copper Spur UL2 and for the price I can say that it’s incredible how competitive the Naturehike is, it costs 1/4 the price of the Big Agnes, you should review it. It has more surface on the floor in spite of height, but it’s convenient when you sleep, not when you get dressed, and it includes footprint. I have used it for 2 years and just the zippers have the usual problems. It’s made of the same silicone fabric and its weight is 3 pounds. I highly recommend it. Regards from Chile!
Hey thanks! I’ll for sure look into this tent. Thanks for the recommendation! Next video coming out this week is on REI Half Dome SL 2+ which is another great option, though heavier.
Great review! I’ve use both tent for several times and found the TigerWall is my goto tent, it's much lighter than the CopperSpur, the space of the head end is not that much different and the huge space of the foot end is not a deal breaker. Both tent need to stake out two vestibules and even more points to get a nice pitch, so I don't care if it's free standing or semi-free standing. I think the TigerWall have the best space to weight ratio in its sort of type tents.
Thank you for making such a comprehensive review video of these two tents; your effort is appreciated. Done in an entertaining manner but very informative as well. God bless. 😊
Have had the Tiger Wall UL3 for a few years. Use it for motorcycle camping fits easily in BMW panniers. I have the 3 person and it is perfect for Moto camping. Packs small and easy to set up. Going to try setting up the rainfly 1st for now on that might be a good trick to keep more dry or to sleep in the hot summer nights without the main body of the tent. Quality is perfect. I see a few small improvement from mine that probabally make it a better product. But not enough to upgrade.
Very great review ! I choose the Copper Spur because of the event aeration and it’s roomier but with the bikepacking model with its small poles, the bathtub is taller too than the BA Tiger.
That’s a good question. Right now I’m really finding Nemo products to be of great quality. MSR used to be my go to but they are a bit heavy. That said they last a long time. My last expedition tent was a north face and it was a couple grand and got flattened in a wind storm in north Montana. North Face replaced it right away based on photos only and suggested if I could repair the old tent that I should donate it somewhere. I donated to the local high schools outdoor education program after repairing the poles and the fly tear. If a company won’t stand behind their gear then to me it doesn’t matter how light as when you’re up on a glacier as we were and your tent is leaking too and bottom like the copper spur did I’m over the light weight real fast
On the PCT and sending home an Xmid pro 1 for a copper spur long. Even on dry mostly nights my foot box of my quilt touches the wall of the Xmid and gets damp. Xmid is a great tent..very light but the copper spur comes in the long version.
Great comparison video! New Subscriber! Found your video from researching an upgrade from my REI Half-Dome 2p. The REI HD2 has been great for 10 years+. It worked well when me/my son were in Cub Scouts because we did more car-camping style camp outs. Now in Boy Scouts, we hike-camp a lot more. While we can share a tent, I prefer my own. I think you sold me on the Copper Spur. We sometimes set-up on tent platforms, so free-standing is worth the weight/price.
Thanks for subscribing and the kind words! I’m actually planning on doing a video on the Half Dome SL2 soon! I’ve had a regular half dome tent for a while and agree that they are great! Can’t go wrong with the Copper Spur!
Great review! I own the Copper spur, both 1p and 2p (olive and orange). The ventilation and roomieness were the big points for me. I've had the tents both in summer and winter.
Hi Stumbled across your video, Well made, I've Hiked PCT,AT, and CDT and my tent of choice was the Big Agnes Flycreek HV UL3, I love the extra room and the weight is very similar to the 2. Plus this is my home for 6 months , I had planned to Hike the Florida trail so Brought the Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL3 again a 3 man and i love it, love the two doors and yes i use the Porch which is great on a warm evening , Haven't used in wet storms but have had a few windy nights SO just a 3 man tent for a solo hiker but all my gear fits inside.. But im yet to take my dog, Like you i always swear by the footprint and if its really Crappy ground i sometime put a layer of tyvek inside Havnt had a puncture in my Pad yet!! (but over kill) Once again great video snailtrainer
I like the bit of added space on the Copperspur. I,m 73 looking for a new tent to do some of the JMT. At my age I like a few comforts at night and a bit more room is something I look for, If I need to pack 8 oz more...thats ok for me.
True! Though a bit more tie downs (because of the single pole on one side) which would maybe get you more wet during set up yeah? Whereas the Copper Spur pole structure would provide more protection. Splitting hairs but worth noting. Thanks for watching, thanks for the comment, and thanks for the kind words!
I went thru this same thinking in 2020. I landed on on the tw ul3 because I found it on sale cheaper then a new ul2 or copper spur. I also found I really like the lighter weight of the tw. it is still my go to 2 person ul hiking tent, my number one issue I discovered is need 2 25 inch sleeping pads.(hitting 40 means no more 20 inch pads, its now a deal breaker)
Adding more weight, but definitely more comfortable. Wide mattress pads feel more luxurious. I try to provide enough information so people can make the decision that’s best for them based on their needs. Glad you found your best set up. Thanks for leaving a comment!
I got the shorter "Biking" poles with the Copper Spur for my motorcycle camping trips. The shorter length (fatter pole bundle) gives me more options in choosing how to pack it.
Cooper spur all day, it’s worth the extra $ and is just everything you want and need it can fit you and gear with ease light enough and sets up fast, I’m on my second one and will buy it again when the time comes
@@dma634 I figured it must be intentional, but of course didn't get the joke, and at can't remember at this point what in the video would harken to the challenger disaster. But thank you for not r/whooshing me or something lame like that, haha. Cheers.
I've got the copper spur 1 in olive green , I'm 6'5" and I find it roomy . Bit too bright inside compared to my old tunnel tent so yeah the Tiger wall would let way too much light through for me. Really like the olive green colour , just wish it would block more outside light . As for letting a dog inside...... well I've seen in other videos they tend to put holes in the floor with their claws , unintentionally of course. Having a footprint doesn't help ......
One more odd con item is that the Copper Spur does not come with enough tent stakes to fully stake out the tent. It needs at least 6 stakes and comes with only 4. If you stake out the vestibules into “awning mode,” that will take 8 stakes total. That’s not a big deal, but knowing that ahead of time is very helpful. With 4 stakes, you can only stake out the corners and will not have vestibules. That could make a big difference, if you counted on having vestibules for your pack.
Love my Copper Spur 2p. Door is sort of gimmicky, zippers are difficult. Don't know what but I would like to see a different door design. I have had for 2 years now and would buy the same tent again. Maybe in olive this time. Great multi-purpose tent. Nice job tent dude. Thanks for the work! 👴
@@ItsAStephanieB Certainly a possibility in the future. May I ask what your camping style is and how you are looking to use the tent? (Car camping, thru-hiking, etc)
@@packtravelhike I live in South Africa, it'll be for a 5day backpacking hike. I like a freestanding tent, but SA simply doesn't have UL options available. I looked on the REI website yesterday - did a comparison between the two and I honestly can't see why StS is so expensive. The Copper wins hands down in price and weight.
Does your REI have the REI Co-Op Quarter Dome SL 2 online? I'd be a bit concerned about the Telos if you are carrying all that weight by yourself. Depending, of course, on how much you plan to hike each day with it on your back.
Great comparison video. It was to the point, practical and with great humor. Have you had a chance to test out the tents in rainy conditions? To my understanding, both tents tend to absorb water (though I don't know if they are in worse in this regard than for other tent brands). Do you have any experience with the platinum version of the Copper Spur or any insights on major differences? Again, thank you for the video, I'll be there for the next one.
Thank you! I didn't get the opportunity to try them in rainy conditions. I have read that both tents are pretty good in the rain, however, some have complained that there is some splash back on the Tiger Wall, especially if the ground around the tent was already wet/saturated. Overall, most of the complaints seemed to be related to where they pitched their tent. I haven't used the platinum but will say it's only worth looking at if you really need to save an extra half pound. Overall, you'd have to be extra careful with it as the materials are a bit thinner. You'll have to weigh if that extra care is worth it. Also, when you start to get into that price point, there may be better options out there if you are doing a thru-hike. If you are car camping, my recommendation would be to skip the platinum and save a bit of money.
I'm looking for my first tent, for the upcomming holiday and future trekking purposes, and i find it very hard to pick a tent lol! I thought i was settled on the Copper Spur UL2, but the price + price of foot print just seem so expensive it's hard to make the jump. If it could last 10 years i think that would justify the price a bit. One tiny nit pick is i'm not a fan of the color options. Looking at reviews and tests it seems there are other good UL choices, they are just not available in my country :P Awesome humor btw!
@@packtravelhike Denmark:-) I ended up getting the copper spur UL2 after much consideration, and a footprint, even if it is overprised, but im going trekking soon so it was just the easiest solution. Total It ended up costing around 740$(converted from dkk)I had other tents in mind, but they where either unavaible or overprised as well.
I can't seem to find the specs showing the length of the poles of each of these models when they are broken down. I will e using this tent for Bikepacking and Motorcycle camping and want to know if I have room for the bulkier packed Copper Spur. Thanks
At the time of writing this there appears to be a $10 different between the two on the Big Agnes website. My guess is that this price difference is because the Copper Spur has grommet holes with buckles for the rain fly to clip into on all four corners, while the Tiger Wall (being a semi-freestanding), I believe, only has 3 grommet holes with buckles (with stake holes in the other two corners).
I'm in the market for a new tent and really wanted to try the Copper Spur, but the fact that it can't fit two 25" pads is a kind of a deal breaker for me. I'm bummed about that.
@@packtravelhike That's true. Unfortunately it's heavier and costs even $100 more (if I remember right). Not sure I can justify it. :) Good-looking tent, though.
Great breakdown, thanks. I have the bikepack versions of both. Don’t love either but neither are bad, just not great. But what tent is? The Tigerwall is just a better version of the Fly Creek so great for backpacking. The Copper Spur is nice for kayaking where freestanding is nice. The MSR Freelite (2015) is roomier at 50” wide at both ends but shorter in height. No fist pumps of victory!😂
The Tiger Wall feels a bit more fragile but I’m sure both would hold up fine. Because they are ultra light tents you should always be extra careful as you are sacrificing durability for weight.
As a tall-ish person I feel like I value extra room a lot more than others. Not having my head or feet touch the side of the tent and being able to comfortably sit up are not guaranteed. Sadly limits otherwise great tents and adds weight.
I have to be honest. I own a version 2 of the copper spur in a single person tent. I love it and will not give it up in spite of the fact that I moved on to dyneema. I also have two sleeping pads from them. That said, as evidenced very clearly by the cost of foot prints, Big Agnes has completely lost thier way going back years now. They started with the very best design at a sick low weight and have never reached even close to that level again. Now they use gimmicks like the awning....because people hang out so much in their tents. The sun beats through all this nylon. They enter the dyneema market....sort of. Use a mix of the absolute trash of dyneema weight fabric (omg the scout) and nylon and then jack the price up to ungodly levels...far beyond an entire good dyneema tent. They had a 700.00 pack for gods sake and then told the world they had such nonsense. The absolute arrogance of a company to sell a flat piece of nylon for 70.00 and then to sell you the exact unchanged in any way same piece of nylon under a more expensive tent for 10.00 more makes me feel like an idiot even looking at their gear. I saw (7/14)that it appeared they got there minds right and changed the price back to the 70.00 outrageous price. There is a huge difference between paying big for gear that is made of expensive materials or has unique design and just paying through the nose for cheap ass garbage. I'm reminded of the old boxers just swinging for the fences looking for one more big win. BA is just swinging now. I think the better recommendation for this type of tent would be at Nemo. Sorry BA
I always see people talking about two person tents being too small for two people and then they put in a GIANT pad to show it. Man idk I just sleep on the ground.
Agreed. Though pad aside, it also really depends on how broad the shoulders of each person is and how tall they are. My shoulders go to the edge of the pad, so regardless of size I couldn’t condense myself any smaller!
The big Agnes tents are garbage. They fall apart. I’m a sar tech and I have had three tents from them fall apart and three times they tell me it’s normal wear and tear. The last was 900 and it failed in less than a year. Save your money. BA is FULLY over priced all of it
As a newbie hiker who is comparing both of these tents for my first buy I found your explanations very clear and you gave great information and humour!! Thanks so much
Awesome! I appreciate you watching it and thanks for the kind words. That’s the exact reason I made it. Glad it helped :)
Great Comparison and review! I bought the Copper Spur HV UL3 Long (for two people) and I can't tell you how much the minimal extra weight and pack space is worth it. It is so nice for rainy days to have room inside to move around. I agree with wind for the awning but it is nice to be able to cook underneath it when it is raining and I have had no issues with rain leaking off the sides into the tent. I love it so much that I'm eying the UL2 for single backpacking.
Awesome! Glad you like yours.
Complete, factual, with a pinch of humour : probably the best tents review I ever watched 👍🏻
Thanks so much for the kind words! Glad you enjoyed it. Stay tuned…more on the way!
I enjoy your videos so much. I bumped into this video by algorithm because I was deciding between tiger wall UL2 and Hornet 2 and watched bunch of related videos. This video literally answered all my questions and helped me made my decision. Then I watched all your videos, because they are entertaining. I found they are all informative, thorough, and most importantly, hilarious. I can tell how much effort you’ve put into them. Please keep making new content! You are doing a great job!
Thank you so much for the kind words. Hope to be making more videos soon!
I watch a lot of gear reviews, but rarely ever subscribe to the channels. you got me at the silent pause and facial expression after saying you bought the tents with your own money. watched the whole video without skipping (also rare for me) and subbed. thanks!
Thanks for the kind words. Welcome aboard! Working on my next video this week!
I love your humour in these reviews 😜 Lots of information packed into these reviews. Thank you for taking the time to do these😁
Thank you! Definitely trying my best to merge information and comedy. Glad it's resonating.
Thank you for such an in-depth video showing the differences between these two tents. You have answered several questions I had. I will go with the Copper Spur for the few extra ounces.
Great to hear. Glad I could help! Thanks for watching and enjoy the Copper Spur ⛺️
Overall great presentation. Thank you for this.
A few more Cons to add: 1) it's UL in name only. Really difficult to find another 2P UL tent as heavy as the Copper Spur UL2 2)Not a true 2P tent (it's more of a 1P+). The image you showed at 5:53 says everything you need to know about that. Most hikers who know what they are doing use wide sleeping bags so their elbows aren't on the ground while they sleep. This won't fit two wide sleeping bags. 3) Inferior materials, the SIL nylon this is made of absorbs and retains water, so if you are moving from place to place in wet conditions you're carrying with you a lot of extra water weight in addition to the already heavy tent. Much better to get a tent with a sil-Poly fly which doesn't absorb that water or expand when wet. 4) Overpriced. The Big Agnes tents are not a good value. If you shop around you can find much better tent values out there.
In my life I have purchased 3 products made by big agnes and all of them failed and were not suitable for the purpose designed for. Much better to go with a Durston tent, or another alternative like Mountain Hardwear. I bought one of these Copper Spur UL tents and when I realized the many cons returned it back to REI and purchased a better tent which is a true 2P tent. I am done with Big Agnes.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
Great video and I like your humor. I purchased the Tiger Wall at REI and returned a month later and exchanged it for the Copper Spur UL 2. As you mentioned the CS has much more room. My scale came out to 3 pounds even. I don't plan on using the awning. Plus the free standing feature one can pick up the tent and move it.
Totally agree! There are pros and cons to each, but the Copper Spur certainly feels more comfortable. Thanks for the kind words and taking the time to watch!
Best and funniest test review on RUclips.
Thanks!!!!
A family pack of brass knuckles! Now that really highlights the importance of the savings. Thanks for the video
All about saving you that cash. And your knuckles.
Thanks for the comparison. I just purchased the Copper Spur HV UL2. Anxious to try it out !
Great choice! You will have to report back and tell me what you think of it!
You are very good at explaining things, and not having the video jumping constantly because of the editing is a huge plus. You have a good start, keep up the good work!
Thanks so much for the kind words. Many more to come :) Glad you are enjoying them.
Nice thank you! The veranda vestibule setup functions best as a cooking area in bad weather. Having two sides to work with improves your chances of being able to cook in the lee of the prevailing wind. But if this is on your mind, I agree with the reviewer when suggesting that buyers always size UP on the CSHVUL series. Not just because of the 25 inch pad problem (good call!). But because if you are likely to be tent bound in bad weather, cooking out of this amazing tent, you will want and need the extra space. I own three CSHVUL2s and everyone on my trips gets his or her own tent…
For sure! The little luxuries help if you are forced to stay in your tent for a decent part of the day.
Great video. Nice speaking voice. Love the humor.
Thank you! New video coming soon :)
Picked up the Cupper Spur to hike the GR20 with a buddy next summer! Will definite be a tight fit, but I plan on using this after that for a long time for just myself. Great humor and great information!
Thank you! Have a great hike!
Great video, love your sense of humor and that wireless mic sounded great!
Thanks! I appreciate you watching it. First time using the mic. Some tweaks can be made for sure but I am loving it so far. Many more videos to come!
Excellent video!
I have the Naturehike Cloud Up 2 tent and the Big Agnes Copper Spur UL2 and for the price I can say that it’s incredible how competitive the Naturehike is, it costs 1/4 the price of the Big Agnes, you should review it. It has more surface on the floor in spite of height, but it’s convenient when you sleep, not when you get dressed, and it includes footprint. I have used it for 2 years and just the zippers have the usual problems. It’s made of the same silicone fabric and its weight is 3 pounds. I highly recommend it. Regards from Chile!
Hey thanks! I’ll for sure look into this tent. Thanks for the recommendation! Next video coming out this week is on REI Half Dome SL 2+ which is another great option, though heavier.
Great review! I’ve use both tent for several times and found the TigerWall is my goto tent, it's much lighter than the CopperSpur, the space of the head end is not that much different and the huge space of the foot end is not a deal breaker. Both tent need to stake out two vestibules and even more points to get a nice pitch, so I don't care if it's free standing or semi-free standing. I think the TigerWall have the best space to weight ratio in its sort of type tents.
Glad you found what’s perfect for you!
This video made me laugh out loud several times. You’re a funny man. Thank you sir
Thank you! Appreciate you watching!
Thank you for making such a comprehensive review video of these two tents; your effort is appreciated. Done in an entertaining manner but very informative as well. God bless. 😊
Appreciate you watching! Thanks for the kind words.
Have had the Tiger Wall UL3 for a few years. Use it for motorcycle camping fits easily in BMW panniers. I have the 3 person and it is perfect for Moto camping. Packs small and easy to set up. Going to try setting up the rainfly 1st for now on that might be a good trick to keep more dry or to sleep in the hot summer nights without the main body of the tent. Quality is perfect. I see a few small improvement from mine that probabally make it a better product. But not enough to upgrade.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
I subscribed immediately, you’re hilarious and do a fantastic review. Thanks for putting it out here!
Appreciate it Dan! Welcome aboard.
One of the best review I have ever seen. Laught a lot about two inch dog (although I'm from Europe and we use metrics system here) :D
Ha! Thanks for watching and the kind words! 50.80mm dog. You’re welcome 😏
Very great review ! I choose the Copper Spur because of the event aeration and it’s roomier but with the bikepacking model with its small poles, the bathtub is taller too than the BA Tiger.
Very good choice!
That’s a good question. Right now I’m really finding Nemo products to be of great quality. MSR used to be my go to but they are a bit heavy. That said they last a long time. My last expedition tent was a north face and it was a couple grand and got flattened in a wind storm in north Montana. North Face replaced it right away based on photos only and suggested if I could repair the old tent that I should donate it somewhere. I donated to the local high schools outdoor education program after repairing the poles and the fly tear. If a company won’t stand behind their gear then to me it doesn’t matter how light as when you’re up on a glacier as we were and your tent is leaking too and bottom like the copper spur did I’m over the light weight real fast
I had some seams pop on a Big Agnes sleeping pad and they replaced it very easily.
Blimey! A funny septic! Helpful reviews and comparison. Thanks. Subbed.
Thanks for the kind words! Happy to have ya!
On the PCT and sending home an Xmid pro 1 for a copper spur long. Even on dry mostly nights my foot box of my quilt touches the wall of the Xmid and gets damp. Xmid is a great tent..very light but the copper spur comes in the long version.
Report back and tell me what you think of the copper spur!
Great Video which answers to my questions on how to explain a difference of price between both tents. Thank you
Thanks so much for watching!
I'm looking into getting a copper spur. Good info, thanks.
Thanks for watching!
This video makes me wanna go camping!! Thank you for the information 👍
This makes me so happy! You definitely should!
Subscribed just because you made me laugh! 😀 Review is also great!
Appreciate it. Thanks for subscribing. More to come!
Great comparison video! New Subscriber! Found your video from researching an upgrade from my REI Half-Dome 2p. The REI HD2 has been great for 10 years+. It worked well when me/my son were in Cub Scouts because we did more car-camping style camp outs. Now in Boy Scouts, we hike-camp a lot more. While we can share a tent, I prefer my own. I think you sold me on the Copper Spur. We sometimes set-up on tent platforms, so free-standing is worth the weight/price.
Thanks for subscribing and the kind words! I’m actually planning on doing a video on the Half Dome SL2 soon! I’ve had a regular half dome tent for a while and agree that they are great! Can’t go wrong with the Copper Spur!
Great review!
I own the Copper spur, both 1p and 2p (olive and orange). The ventilation and roomieness were the big points for me. I've had the tents both in summer and winter.
Thank you! My thoughts exactly 😊 How is the 1p?
@@packtravelhike it's fantastic. Small footprint but it feels like a castle.
Ive Had the Durston Xmid 1p but sold it and kept only the Spur
Interesting. I have the REI Quarter Dome SL1. It feels a bit like a coffin but is lightweight and does the job.
Great comparison! Excellent job. Both great tents. New follower here. Crow✌️
Hey Crow! Thanks for subscribing and leaving a comment. Appreciate the support!
Hi Stumbled across your video, Well made, I've Hiked PCT,AT, and CDT and my tent of choice was the Big Agnes Flycreek HV UL3, I love the extra room and the weight is very similar to the 2. Plus this is my home for 6 months , I had planned to Hike the Florida trail so Brought the Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL3 again a 3 man and i love it, love the two doors and yes i use the Porch which is great on a warm evening , Haven't used in wet storms but have had a few windy nights SO just a 3 man tent for a solo hiker but all my gear fits inside.. But im yet to take my dog, Like you i always swear by the footprint and if its really Crappy ground i sometime put a layer of tyvek inside Havnt had a puncture in my Pad yet!! (but over kill)
Once again great video
snailtrainer
Thanks so much, and thank you for sharing your experience!
I like the bit of added space on the Copperspur. I,m 73 looking for a new tent to do some of the JMT. At my age I like a few comforts at night and a bit more room is something I look for, If I need to pack 8 oz more...thats ok for me.
It definitely feels more spacious. Have a great hike and thanks for watching and leaving a comment!
Great review/comparison! The tiger wall can be set up like a freestanding tent, rain fly first then interior underneath, when the footprint is used.
True! Though a bit more tie downs (because of the single pole on one side) which would maybe get you more wet during set up yeah? Whereas the Copper Spur pole structure would provide more protection. Splitting hairs but worth noting. Thanks for watching, thanks for the comment, and thanks for the kind words!
I went thru this same thinking in 2020. I landed on on the tw ul3 because I found it on sale cheaper then a new ul2 or copper spur. I also found I really like the lighter weight of the tw. it is still my go to 2 person ul hiking tent, my number one issue I discovered is need 2 25 inch sleeping pads.(hitting 40 means no more 20 inch pads, its now a deal breaker)
Adding more weight, but definitely more comfortable. Wide mattress pads feel more luxurious. I try to provide enough information so people can make the decision that’s best for them based on their needs. Glad you found your best set up. Thanks for leaving a comment!
I got the shorter "Biking" poles with the Copper Spur for my motorcycle camping trips. The shorter length (fatter pole bundle) gives me more options in choosing how to pack it.
I’ve seen that! Do you actually bike with it? Or bought it just for the shape/size?
@@packtravelhike I do bike with the short poles. The regular poles are too long to fit in the saddle bags I use.
Cooper spur all day, it’s worth the extra $ and is just everything you want and need it can fit you and gear with ease light enough and sets up fast, I’m on my second one and will buy it again when the time comes
Awesome! I agree.
Easy subscription. This channel is going to rise quicker than the challenger space shuttle. ;]
Thanks for subscribing and the kind words! New video coming soon 🚀
Wait... the Challenger? Are you predicting something disastrous for this channel?
@@Jlundeen It's a joke, mirroring the humor used in the videos themselves.
@@dma634 I figured it must be intentional, but of course didn't get the joke, and at can't remember at this point what in the video would harken to the challenger disaster. But thank you for not r/whooshing me or something lame like that, haha. Cheers.
Thank you for your humor.
I appreciate you watching!
I've got the copper spur 1 in olive green , I'm 6'5" and I find it roomy . Bit too bright inside compared to my old tunnel tent so yeah the Tiger wall would let way too much light through for me. Really like the olive green colour , just wish it would block more outside light .
As for letting a dog inside...... well I've seen in other videos they tend to put holes in the floor with their claws , unintentionally of course. Having a footprint doesn't help ......
So I suppose the solution would be an eye mask and a fake dog 😉
Great video, subbed to your channel. Would be great to see a follow-up on which you prefer now that you have taken it out more.
One more odd con item is that the Copper Spur does not come with enough tent stakes to fully stake out the tent. It needs at least 6 stakes and comes with only 4. If you stake out the vestibules into “awning mode,” that will take 8 stakes total. That’s not a big deal, but knowing that ahead of time is very helpful. With 4 stakes, you can only stake out the corners and will not have vestibules. That could make a big difference, if you counted on having vestibules for your pack.
Hmm…I remember mine coming with more than 4…
Sneaky tricks to keep the total pack weight lower!
Love my Copper Spur 2p. Door is sort of gimmicky, zippers are difficult. Don't know what but I would like to see a different door design. I have had for 2 years now and would buy the same tent again. Maybe in olive this time. Great multi-purpose tent. Nice job tent dude. Thanks for the work! 👴
Thank you! Yep, I figure you can always not set up the canopy. So, with that, it is what it is!
Subscribed for the 50 dogs joke 😂😂
Haha! Welcome aboard!
Great review Thanks!
Thanks for watching! I appreciate it.
@@packtravelhike would you consider doing a comparison between the Sea to Summit Telos TR2 and Copper Spur HV UL 2?
I can't decide between them.
@@ItsAStephanieB Certainly a possibility in the future. May I ask what your camping style is and how you are looking to use the tent? (Car camping, thru-hiking, etc)
@@packtravelhike I live in South Africa, it'll be for a 5day backpacking hike. I like a freestanding tent, but SA simply doesn't have UL options available.
I looked on the REI website yesterday - did a comparison between the two and I honestly can't see why StS is so expensive.
The Copper wins hands down in price and weight.
Does your REI have the REI Co-Op Quarter Dome SL 2 online? I'd be a bit concerned about the Telos if you are carrying all that weight by yourself. Depending, of course, on how much you plan to hike each day with it on your back.
Great comparison video. It was to the point, practical and with great humor.
Have you had a chance to test out the tents in rainy conditions? To my understanding, both tents tend to absorb water (though I don't know if they are in worse in this regard than for other tent brands).
Do you have any experience with the platinum version of the Copper Spur or any insights on major differences?
Again, thank you for the video, I'll be there for the next one.
Thank you! I didn't get the opportunity to try them in rainy conditions. I have read that both tents are pretty good in the rain, however, some have complained that there is some splash back on the Tiger Wall, especially if the ground around the tent was already wet/saturated. Overall, most of the complaints seemed to be related to where they pitched their tent. I haven't used the platinum but will say it's only worth looking at if you really need to save an extra half pound. Overall, you'd have to be extra careful with it as the materials are a bit thinner. You'll have to weigh if that extra care is worth it. Also, when you start to get into that price point, there may be better options out there if you are doing a thru-hike. If you are car camping, my recommendation would be to skip the platinum and save a bit of money.
I'm looking for my first tent, for the upcomming holiday and future trekking purposes, and i find it very hard to pick a tent lol! I thought i was settled on the Copper Spur UL2, but the price + price of foot print just seem so expensive it's hard to make the jump. If it could last 10 years i think that would justify the price a bit.
One tiny nit pick is i'm not a fan of the color options.
Looking at reviews and tests it seems there are other good UL choices, they are just not available in my country :P
Awesome humor btw!
Thank you! What country are you in?
@@packtravelhike Denmark:-) I ended up getting the copper spur UL2 after much consideration, and a footprint, even if it is overprised, but im going trekking soon so it was just the easiest solution. Total It ended up costing around 740$(converted from dkk)I had other tents in mind, but they where either unavaible or overprised as well.
You said you were 5,11”. How well did you fit length wise in the Copper Spur? I’m trying to decide if I should get the regular or the long version.
Felt very comfortable space wise, but not much room for storage at your feet if you were planning on that.
I can't seem to find the specs showing the length of the poles of each of these models when they are broken down. I will e using this tent for Bikepacking and Motorcycle camping and want to know if I have room for the bulkier packed Copper Spur. Thanks
They make one specifically for that called the Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL2 Bikepack Tent!
Good video, but why does the tiger wall foot print way more then the copper spur?
At the time of writing this there appears to be a $10 different between the two on the Big Agnes website. My guess is that this price difference is because the Copper Spur has grommet holes with buckles for the rain fly to clip into on all four corners, while the Tiger Wall (being a semi-freestanding), I believe, only has 3 grommet holes with buckles (with stake holes in the other two corners).
This review was moist and was fair
Thanks for the damp review!
I'm in the market for a new tent and really wanted to try the Copper Spur, but the fact that it can't fit two 25" pads is a kind of a deal breaker for me. I'm bummed about that.
There is a Copper Spur HV UL3!
@@packtravelhike That's true. Unfortunately it's heavier and costs even $100 more (if I remember right). Not sure I can justify it. :) Good-looking tent, though.
Great video. Thank you,
Thanks for watching!
Criminally under-subbed!
Great breakdown, thanks. I have the bikepack versions of both. Don’t love either but neither are bad, just not great. But what tent is? The Tigerwall is just a better version of the Fly Creek so great for backpacking. The Copper Spur is nice for kayaking where freestanding is nice. The MSR Freelite (2015) is roomier at 50” wide at both ends but shorter in height. No fist pumps of victory!😂
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
No mention of strength. The copper spur looks much more wind resistant, with the poles crossing over
I wasn’t able to test it in very high winds. So, while you may be right, I can’t say for certain.
Each seem as durable as the other?
The Tiger Wall feels a bit more fragile but I’m sure both would hold up fine. Because they are ultra light tents you should always be extra careful as you are sacrificing durability for weight.
For 500 bucks give or take, it should come with either longer guy lines or an additional set of longer guy lines
For sure. You can get cord cut super cheap to whatever size you want at REI.
“ if you didn’t stake those corners out, it would look like this…” 😂
It would certainly be one terrible nights sleep.
I like this guy
Thanks!
Drive around, look for an active construction site, walk up and ask them if you could have a small piece of Tyvek. Works great as a footprint.
For sure!
As a tall-ish person I feel like I value extra room a lot more than others. Not having my head or feet touch the side of the tent and being able to comfortably sit up are not guaranteed. Sadly limits otherwise great tents and adds weight.
Totally valid. Let me know if you find any ones you have found to fit you well.
@michael83479 There is a 'long' version of the Copper Spur available.
Bro, you're hilarious. The pompai victims had me rolling. hahah
Haha! Thanks so much!
The tiger wall UL 2 isn't as good as the Mountain Hardware Strato UL 2. The Strato is bigger/roomier and lighter.
I’ll check it out!
I have to be honest. I own a version 2 of the copper spur in a single person tent. I love it and will not give it up in spite of the fact that I moved on to dyneema. I also have two sleeping pads from them. That said, as evidenced very clearly by the cost of foot prints, Big Agnes has completely lost thier way going back years now. They started with the very best design at a sick low weight and have never reached even close to that level again. Now they use gimmicks like the awning....because people hang out so much in their tents. The sun beats through all this nylon.
They enter the dyneema market....sort of. Use a mix of the absolute trash of dyneema weight fabric (omg the scout) and nylon and then jack the price up to ungodly levels...far beyond an entire good dyneema tent. They had a 700.00 pack for gods sake and then told the world they had such nonsense. The absolute arrogance of a company to sell a flat piece of nylon for 70.00 and then to sell you the exact unchanged in any way same piece of nylon under a more expensive tent for 10.00 more makes me feel like an idiot even looking at their gear. I saw (7/14)that it appeared they got there minds right and changed the price back to the 70.00 outrageous price. There is a huge difference between paying big for gear that is made of expensive materials or has unique design and just paying through the nose for cheap ass garbage. I'm reminded of the old boxers just swinging for the fences looking for one more big win. BA is just swinging now.
I think the better recommendation for this type of tent would be at Nemo.
Sorry BA
I want to camp with my fifty dogs 😂😂😂
And the fifty dogs want to camp with you.
@@packtravelhike yes they do 😆
More video of tents and less of the speaker
I tried telling him the same thing.
I always see people talking about two person tents being too small for two people and then they put in a GIANT pad to show it. Man idk I just sleep on the ground.
Agreed. Though pad aside, it also really depends on how broad the shoulders of each person is and how tall they are. My shoulders go to the edge of the pad, so regardless of size I couldn’t condense myself any smaller!
Today all tents are made in China if you buy it from American reseller you will just pay it more.
The big Agnes tents are garbage. They fall apart. I’m a sar tech and I have had three tents from them fall apart and three times they tell me it’s normal wear and tear. The last was 900 and it failed in less than a year. Save your money. BA is FULLY over priced all of it
Appreciate your input. What’s your favorite tent?
Go cheap.. get a naturehike tent.
Never heard of it. I'll have to look into it!
Unless the tent is made from Dyneema or the tent comes with a large Dyneema fly, save your money.
Where are you finding copper spur for 500
Looks like the price fluctuates. At the time of making the video it was $499 at Amazon link in the description.
REI had them for $317 around July 4, 2024.