Honestly not your best video. Cool project, but I think you edited the video a little tight for my tastes. Show me why you replaced all the hoses, show me the various parts of the generator, explain the purpose of the governor, what are the different terminals?
Thanks for letting me know. I didn't think people would be interested in those nitty-gritty details. I'm happy to make another video if there is enough interest. Anyone else out there want to chime in?
@@DavidPozEnergy I'm not a regular to the channel but that's definitely something I would watch. Although I guess I'm an oddball who likes these kinds of things
@@DavidPozEnergy I think you should have short videos like this that are edited down, and just a less skinned down version for the people that want to see the nitty gritty stuff. Personally, I like the quick pace, since we all know how to change hoses etc.
These old work horses almost never die so there are plenty of parts to fix them up and make them run a bit better because there are so many still around.
As the proud owner of an MEP-803a I can say Kurt's products are top notch. Late last year I replaced the voltage regulator with one of his due to a failing adjustment potentiometer. From my own observations his regulator seems much more precise than the old original unit. (to be fair the original unit was 19 years old)
You brought back memories from the 1960s. My dad and I worked on military surplus gensets made by Onan. These units were for American Red Cross disaster service. The units were very well made and came with technical manuals etc. We had a non-military Onan too from the early 1950s that was hand crank start. It was a true beast to crank. We mounted it in a trailer as part of a lighting unit. This all was a great learning experience for a teenager. Thanks so much for your video and best wishes with your project.
Your video brought back memories. I was a 52D from 76 to 90. From 87 to 90 I was an instructor for the 52D course at Fort Belvior 10 years after I went through the course. I remember when these things arrived to be used for training. The gas 3 Kw before this went into service had a 4 cylinder engine on it. The pistons were tiny. Power generation field worked out really well for me. As a civilian I have been operating and maintaining a 7 Mg watt power plant for 32 years. Thanks for the memory.
I'll definitely be looking him up when I get mine. I love troubleshooting then repairing stuff that people have given up on but it never hurts to consult someone who's forgotten more than I'll know about something this specific.
HOLY SHEETS!! 3KW TQG. Tactical quiet generator that’s not so quiet. I’ve not worked one those since 2005. It was pretty new back then. My unit just got 2 of those when I got there 2002. Nostalgia.
Those yanmars were good engines, lots of clones out there now. Do you yourself a favor and look into the the 1800 rpm versions. Much quieter, more output, and more reliable.Onan made alot of the older mil specs in the 1800 rpm variety.
I have a clone of an L100 I bought with a cracked piston and damaged head. I tore it all apart and ordered the parts. Gotta put it back together one of these days lol. No idea what I will use it for but it's cool.
Oh man that surging sound brings back a lot of memories, that was such a widespread problem that I'd just assumed that was its normal mode of operation. The larger generators would do that as well, but only when the fuel started running low - prompting a Lcpl to scramble for a jerry can before the thing died.
We had privates on fuel duty. Woe to those that let it go dry. Happened a couple of times, once was the HQ tent which provoked corrective measures(leaning on NCOs to watch closer). Wasn’t my task but I got into the habit of checking fuel levels whenever I passed by, to give a heads up if necessary or even fill it myself.
Brings me back to 1969 working on 5 kw gen sets . I also worked on Turbine powered and precise power gen sets.Most of the stuff I worked on was bullet riddled or bomb damaged.
I have a 1986 10K unit with 400 hours on it. These things will hold their rated load 24hrs a day, 7 days a week as mine did last hurricane season. Ran our entire house like normal and a cord to the neighbors fridge.
I love this vid . The lesson is , always read the distractions ! And of course if you have a little experience ? Well that helps . But that generator is brand new . And I think they broke it in before it was turned to surplus . In which case you brought it . Good job friend .
I've been looking at these myself and these look like great units. I would ditch the inverter, rectify into DC, send into charge controller and run the engine @1800 RPM. It should drastically increase the fuel economy and would still charge my batteries quickly. It would drastically reduce the hassle with the electronics on the generator. Add a simple 2 wire start setup and just flip a switch Subscribed
I've been working on that for months. There are lots of roadblocks to work through, but I should have a working model soon. Once it does work, then I'll show it in a video.
@@DavidPozEnergy It seems like it would be easy (hence my plan). I've been looking for someone selling one of the inverterless units I see being auctioned in huge lots! Would you happen to have a connection? From what I am seeing on the auction sites the inverters are junk. I would love to take a crack at a broken inverter also. I'm sure you have seen the "interesting" wiring of the PMG.
We (Army) had a 5kw and 10kw genset that we commonly used, total beasts! 10kw is a misnomer, it was two 10kw generators on the trailer. You could run them independently or bond them for 18kw (never figured out why they said 18kw when bonded). The biggest I saw was in a Patriot unit. When I was there, they had two 200kw turbine generators, I understand now they're using 150kw diesel sets.
I went on armed forces day with my dad. He was in charge of the generators. A 10kw unit was enormous and trailer mounted. Had a Wisconsin engine and just hummed all day.
Fortuitous to run across Kurt, for sure. When major companies have lame parts, it creates an umbrella for guys like Kurt to do it right. That's how America is supposed to work! Looks like you have a nice little genset now, albeit rather loud for being enclosed. I like my generators nice and quiet. I am also not sure how long that funky old 'inverter' will last.
I miss my 4.2 k on my 577A2 I do not miss taking it out of the cage on the deck and lowering it by chain hoist to the ground. 😅 It is nice to see someone bring military gear back to life.
I was a 52D, Generator mechanic for 10 years. I never saw one of these units. I worked on a lot of 1.5, 3, 5 and 10kw units but they were all gasoline powered.
The Army started upgrading to diesel gens in the 90's . We had Gasoline gens when I began my Army career as well. In 03 we had some gasoline 3ks that were converted to diesel engines, MEP016D. They were much better generators than the MEP 831.
Interesting video! I appreciate cutting out the fluf - anyone who has refurb'd equipment (that they plan to keep) knows that hose, filter replacements, etc is just a given. So I don't see the need to see it or hear the rationale behind doing that type of stuff. Would be cool to see a scope shot of the inverter output.
I have been using a MEP-016D to offset the solar when the panels are covered with snow. I have used this old MEP for 8 years now. The L 70 Yanmar just keeps on running. Very fuel efficient. .
Not surprised that you mentioned the fuel gauge might need replacing. In my experience with military support equipment, the fuel gauges are almost always faulty.
When you opened the front panel at 8:47 - my eyes went straight to the little blue trimmers. Wow, PC mount trimmers exposed to the world. Those appear to be Bourns 3386 trimmers - very high quality trimmers that are 'kind of' sealed. We have found that they occasionally don't fare well when exposed to high humidity or moisture for extended periods of time. My guess - they went bad. Inexpensive at about $2 each. Bourns part number 3386P-1-xxxLF. The xxx is the resistance value which is printed on the part. For example "253" which would be a 25K ohm trimmer -- 3386P-1-253LF. The replacement board appears to have a digital-potentiometer on it (IC7) - good idea.
That's a pretty big 3KW generator set!! I would almost bet that the flaw with the engine speed module was with all them potentiometer adjustments just left outside of the module, in the open to salt air moisture, fumes, dust and potential of debris! And so it just might look as though the Marine Corps scrapped the notion of any future contracts and semi de-militarized them to a small degree. Those gen-sets were probably also to expensive to buy anymore and given the reliability aspects and well. That may explain the low hours on this one! The supply chain may have also failed to get these modules given just who is the manufacturer was that was subcontracted for that module build! Who the hell really knows for that matter! I know of a Chief Senior Military Technologist person that was contracted by Pentagon that may have been involved for the testing and approval for the purchase of such equipment for the military. His name is Lee Wheelbarger, Inventor and skilled professional when it comes to a lot of things related to the military! I supposed that if you were to contact him David, perhaps he might be able to fill you in on a thing or two on this Genset!
Excellent video David. Anxious to see how the super efficient Yanmar diesel with a couple extra conversion stages compares on DC charging efficiency per gallon (gasoline) to your 6 hp alternator generator. They should be fairly close since the higher power density of diesel should compensate for the low loss conversion stages.
I am suspecting that the unit was used for training. Due to all the auxiliary sensor wires etc and the other problems. You know how training units are used! What a great little machine!
if you ever decide to get the bigger generators the 5k , the low oil pressure will prevent you from starting the generator unless you hold down the fault/reset switch while trying to start it :)
My son is in the Army (14E MOS PATRIOT Missile crew member) and when I went to his AIT graduation I took a tour of the system a d the Army has 2 generators running the engagement control and the RADAR. The EPP consists of two 150 kW diesel engines interconnected with 400 hertz generators. The generators are mounted on a modified M977 HEMTT
When I was active duty that govenor controller was always the issue! And fuel filter being very dirty! You are right about the 24v batteries, they would go bad just sitting out in the winter, in the battery compartment!
What a cool piece of equipment!! I think all the people asking “how much $$?” are glossing right over whether they themselves could have muddled through all the work you put in before it ever made a lick of power. Or maybe they want the price for one that’s 100% debugged and turn-key where the cost of a guy like you going through it for them is just built in! They won’t like that number. 🤣 Interested to see all the test/project ideas for this thing that you alluded to in other comments, in their due time. Thanks for another interesting power generation vid.
Glad to see you did what I suggested and got a gen set. I didn't know you battery charge controller would accept AC voltage and is why I included an external rectifier between the gen set and charge controller. That gen set @ 240V/16A = 3840W peak but the continuous rating is 240V/12.5A =3000W You can expect to get close to 12 gal for every 24hr use. [Or 1/2 gal/hr]
about 15 bucks a day - we can see why pv panels are taking over but nice to have a backup - liberal amounts of foam insulation plastered to this thing would help sound issues - compared to modern gernerators it is sort of a non starter (pardon the pun) #yamaha #roi #tco
Reminds me of my time in the Marines in the late 1970's. Are whole batalion left are Marine base and set up a small city in the woods on an Army base. I was made a Sgt. of the guard and part my job was care of the generators at night. There were around a dozen or more, like each the size of four fridges or more. If it was more then some basic stuff, then I'ld have to wake some of the engineers. Lots of dials and switches to check and know how to start and run. I fully expected some Green Baray(sp) to try to sneak in and try to sabatage them, that being a choice target, but they never did, but the generators were the biggest prob for that month in the woods other than a couple of my guards.
Bought one about three years ago. Got it running for about three hours, and the inverter went out. The inverters are very expensive, and hard to find. I would recommend getting a MEP-802A 5KW, or A MEP-803A 10KW. They do not have inverters, and I believe more reliable. Just a suggestion. Great video, and content Thank You.
as a 91b i had to learn how to work on these because we never had alot of generator mechanics in my unit. these things sucked, they were old and reliable, yes. but they were always left outside and when something went wrong, combined with the issue of people in tents being pissed, they were never fun to work on. The biggest issue i ever seen with them was a shorted ground or a busted fuel tank, suprisingly i never worked on any of the disel engines in these.
Fun video. I'm a new subscriber. Yeah military equipment tends to be quirky in exact proportion to how different it is from any comparable commercial machine. The parts that are unique - like that speed controller and the whole idea of an inverter at the time - don't have the benefit of feedback from a mass market, so their reliability can be hit-or-miss even though they're made with very high end components and fab techniques. Commercial designs are often also flaky at the outset, but after a few ten-thousand units have shipped, problems that didn't manifest during design become apparent and get fixed. One other thing you inadvertently illustrated is why pulling tanks out of storage for deployment in Ukraine has been hard and painful on both sides. Multiply this generator's issues by about five thousand.
I own an MEP 803. 10kw multi-phase selection. Single phase 120 or 240volt. Or 3 phase. I got it on auction. It was left out in the weather and full of water. I had to drain and replace the oil three times to get all the water out. It runs great. Has a onan diesel. The only problem with it is a winding issue that causes a harmonic ac voltage imposed into the dc circuit. Not a real problem but causes radio interference. I bought an in-line filter that shunts out the interference.
See? There is utility in falling down the RUclips rabbit hole. I find cool content like this. It just so happens I’ve been perusing govplanet for just such a generator. Cheers!
Great video. Would have loved to see more about the restoration part (cleaning, replacing of hoses, etc.) and especially the fault searching with the idler (incl. Kurt Klopp perhaps) - which you sped through quickly.
Sorry, I was saying to myself "Who wants to watch 4 hours of replacing rubber hoses?" LOL. The return hoses on these are particularly thin rubber, and known to blow out. I used thicker fuel injection hose even on the return just to make sure. I also replaced the plastic "T" fitting with brass. The plastic one can crack over time. So, I'm not really doing a restoration, because I'm using a few things higher quality.
I do HVAC for a living. Have to deal with those type of potentiometers for economizers. They are very easy to break, have to be very gentle when adjusting. A lot of the time, they are broken upon arrival.
different from the generators i used to work on in the 80's, kinda cool. only thing is back in the 80's all the generators as i recall were made in the U.S.A. Governors back then if i remember right were all mechanical and the first thing to go was usually the voltage regulators.
Usually the diodes will be for some kind of holding path check in the circuitry. When you press the start button some electrical test will go on and close a relay, allowing the system to come on. The diodes prevent it from coming on as soon as the on button is pressed. Don’t know this system though
I've worked on those generators and adding a digital controller for being able to remote start when mains power fails you can combine the remote start with an ATS and you have a good budget backup system
Here comes Kurt - was a german trash hit back in the late 80s or early 90s and that fits perfectly for KK or Kurt Klopp, which is pretty german. Now Kurt has become a pretty rare name , but his product seems to work perfectly well ! Funny that the army has not acquired even such a basic solution in over 16 years.
This would make a cool DC generator. Rectify the permanent magnet alternator output and feed it straight into some MPPT charge controllers and you would remove the 240VAC stage to maybe increase the efficiency.
Im suprised being military and the way the control circuits are all wired normally with one color, that they werent already pre-numbered or labeled. Much faster to diagnose problems and fix things just like this lol.. Cool generator and cool video.
Im a 91D; I was surprised you like these. In my experience they were among the most unreliable other than the 805B, love the AMMPS series and the rest of the TQG lineup. PPUs are pretty cool too.
Part of the reason I liked them is because I could get them running even when it was 0°F outside. The others had a harder time starting in those temps. However, I admit there is a steeper learning curve with these 831s, they are not perfect.
I agree, they are overcomplicated junk in my opinion. Wasted tax dollars. Yes you can get the engine running pretty easy, but its not reliable for producing power.
The finicky actuator was always fun to adjust in sub zero temperatures. I also replaced that invertor before in 110 degree heat. I had to tear apart the entire cover. I did the whole job in a hot as hell maintenance tent.
That is great, you got an EMP Hardened diesel generator. I almost bought one with 200 hours on it for $1,080. but I waited too long and lost it to someone else.
Aye look a mep generator I don’t see many of the small ones but I have worked with like the MEP-805/806 A and B’s, those are the 30Kw and 60Kw respectively, I’m active duty Air Force in the power production field so I’m familiar with generators especially the mil-spec ones
You could make A offset tank just for the fuel return line purposes so you can run it dry. Through that separate offset tank connected into your fuel lines into A doubled up T- line brass fittings.,or metal ones the size of your other fuel input off the machine itself with A fuel filter,& water separator add on brackets tied together on one bar strip plate attached to the generator painted olive green to match it all.
Fuel consumption should be about 3/4 gallon per hour at full load. I worked on these when I was in the service. Great little units if you keep them maintained. I would like Kurt's contact information if possible. I could use a couple of his controllers.
While it does primarily run off of diesel as it's fuel. Being that it is a military service generator it should be multi-fuel capable. If it is then that works in your favor as you can produce your own fuel for it. The smallest gen set my unit had was 5kw and the largest was 150kw, we were an Engineer company so we needed the variety at different times.
Ahhh, when you opened the hood I was crushed! I was expecting to see a small, liquid cooled two or three cylinder diesel engine, such as a Kubota, that would run at 1800 rpm and allow for easily capturing waste heat as well. That's gonna be a screamer (3600 rpm). I suppose you could determine what the generator output voltage is and use a transformer and rectifier to go straight to the 48 volt battery. Could select a transformer ratio that allows it to run at lower speed, but of course at lower output as well. Still need to recover the heat in an off grid situation since that where most of your fuel goes, and air cooled just isn't conducive to that.
@@DavidPozEnergy Ah yes, I thought it was an 802 you mentioned. I'm not really familiar with the military sets, but 802 does sound familiar. Lots of information on these on Smokstak and Steel Soldiers, but sounds like you're well covered with your friend. ;) I haven't seen your videos in a while, but it used to be you had utility electricity but were more or less not using it. Have you truly "cut the cord" now? I would SO love to do that. ;) I'll admit, this set sure does look like a sweet little unit. I wonder what it's operating speed range is, no load to full load?
Well I've got quite a lot to say about single cylinder generators for off grid. I'm not in love with Yanmar single cylinder Diesels. Upsides are they are cheap[ish] to replace, downsides are any hours you get over 3000 are a bonus. I've had bad luck with 3 of these engines in my 7kva generator. At no stage was any load ever placed on this generator in excess of 4.5kw. So I've had 1x broken crankshaft at
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Honestly not your best video. Cool project, but I think you edited the video a little tight for my tastes. Show me why you replaced all the hoses, show me the various parts of the generator, explain the purpose of the governor, what are the different terminals?
Thanks for letting me know. I didn't think people would be interested in those nitty-gritty details. I'm happy to make another video if there is enough interest. Anyone else out there want to chime in?
@@DavidPozEnergy I'm not a regular to the channel but that's definitely something I would watch. Although I guess I'm an oddball who likes these kinds of things
I love obsessive over footage!
@@DavidPozEnergy I think you should have short videos like this that are edited down, and just a less skinned down version for the people that want to see the nitty gritty stuff. Personally, I like the quick pace, since we all know how to change hoses etc.
Because hoses get old, and embrittle/crack. Why not replace them while you're in there?
That is a beast of a generator! So cool that someone makes parts to make it even better. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks. Yeah, it's great.
These old work horses almost never die so there are plenty of parts to fix them up and make them run a bit better because there are so many still around.
As the proud owner of an MEP-803a I can say Kurt's products are top notch.
Late last year I replaced the voltage regulator with one of his due to a failing adjustment potentiometer.
From my own observations his regulator seems much more precise than the old original unit. (to be fair the original unit was 19 years old)
Very happy with Kurts controller, worked perfectly and was reasonably priced.
You brought back memories from the 1960s. My dad and I worked on military surplus gensets made by Onan. These units were for American Red Cross disaster service. The units were very well made and came with technical manuals etc. We had a non-military Onan too from the early 1950s that was hand crank start. It was a true beast to crank. We mounted it in a trailer as part of a lighting unit. This all was a great learning experience for a teenager. Thanks so much for your video and best wishes with your project.
Your video brought back memories. I was a 52D from 76 to 90.
From 87 to 90 I was an instructor for the 52D course at Fort Belvior
10 years after I went through the course. I remember when these things
arrived to be used for training. The gas 3 Kw before this went into service
had a 4 cylinder engine on it. The pistons were tiny. Power generation field
worked out really well for me. As a civilian I have been operating and
maintaining a 7 Mg watt power plant for 32 years. Thanks for the memory.
Hi I was in ft Belvoir in 89 D809th
I attended Delta school at Belvoir from 87-88. Bravo Co.
I have bought 5 of these generators Mep-802,3,4 and love working on them. Curt is the man, helped with the auto start.
I'll definitely be looking him up when I get mine. I love troubleshooting then repairing stuff that people have given up on but it never hurts to consult someone who's forgotten more than I'll know about something this specific.
HOLY SHEETS!! 3KW TQG. Tactical quiet generator that’s not so quiet. I’ve not worked one those since 2005. It was pretty new back then. My unit just got 2 of those when I got there 2002. Nostalgia.
Those yanmars were good engines, lots of clones out there now. Do you yourself a favor and look into the the 1800 rpm versions. Much quieter, more output, and more reliable.Onan made alot of the older mil specs in the 1800 rpm variety.
They’re also usually liquid cooled and multi cylinder engine.
Yeah, like the mep002 or mep003, I have a mep002 and runs smooth and great output, rating way unrated.
Yeah the yanmars where very reliable easy to get parts for easy to repair
I have a clone of an L100 I bought with a cracked piston and damaged head. I tore it all apart and ordered the parts. Gotta put it back together one of these days lol. No idea what I will use it for but it's cool.
60hz # 1800rpm
Oh man that surging sound brings back a lot of memories, that was such a widespread problem that I'd just assumed that was its normal mode of operation. The larger generators would do that as well, but only when the fuel started running low - prompting a Lcpl to scramble for a jerry can before the thing died.
We had privates on fuel duty. Woe to those that let it go dry. Happened a couple of times, once was the HQ tent which provoked corrective measures(leaning on NCOs to watch closer). Wasn’t my task but I got into the habit of checking fuel levels whenever I passed by, to give a heads up if necessary or even fill it myself.
Brings me back to 1969 working on 5 kw gen sets . I also worked on Turbine powered and precise power gen sets.Most of the stuff I worked on was bullet riddled or bomb damaged.
I'd love to find a turbine generator somewhere, just to make a video about it.
You must be a Fort Belvoir man?
I got my 52B AIT there in 69.
@@glennbrymer4065 Yep. Studied for and got all 3 of my Moses 52B20 52D30 52B30 but I already had a back ground in fixing electronics
@@DavidPozEnergy Tuff to find.
I never thought of an retired army generator. Great idea for home backup.
Looks like new! Great buy!!
Thanks. Yeah, It looks a lit nicer after it's bath. Although, I didn't get that on camera.
David didn’t know you served. Thank you! Generator the army had were always nicer than what my corp had, because we usual had army hand me downs. 😂
Thank you for your service too.
Fantastic Video David! Thank you for your service, I also was in the Army early 90's. I love watching your videos!
Thank you for your service too. Thanks for watching.
Thanks to the both of you! And Steven - I was also in the Army in the early 90s! And, um, in the mid 80s... and the late 90s... and the early 2000s!
I have a 1986 10K unit with 400 hours on it. These things will hold their rated load 24hrs a day, 7 days a week as mine did last hurricane season. Ran our entire house like normal and a cord to the neighbors fridge.
I love this vid . The lesson is , always read the distractions ! And of course if you have a little experience ? Well that helps . But that generator is brand new . And I think they broke it in before it was turned to surplus . In which case you brought it . Good job friend .
I've been looking at these myself and these look like great units. I would ditch the inverter, rectify into DC, send into charge controller and run the engine @1800 RPM. It should drastically increase the fuel economy and would still charge my batteries quickly.
It would drastically reduce the hassle with the electronics on the generator. Add a simple 2 wire start setup and just flip a switch
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I've been working on that for months. There are lots of roadblocks to work through, but I should have a working model soon. Once it does work, then I'll show it in a video.
@@DavidPozEnergy It seems like it would be easy (hence my plan). I've been looking for someone selling one of the inverterless units I see being auctioned in huge lots! Would you happen to have a connection? From what I am seeing on the auction sites the inverters are junk. I would love to take a crack at a broken inverter also.
I'm sure you have seen the "interesting" wiring of the PMG.
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Those engines will last longer if ran at lower rpm too
We (Army) had a 5kw and 10kw genset that we commonly used, total beasts! 10kw is a misnomer, it was two 10kw generators on the trailer. You could run them independently or bond them for 18kw (never figured out why they said 18kw when bonded). The biggest I saw was in a Patriot unit. When I was there, they had two 200kw turbine generators, I understand now they're using 150kw diesel sets.
They have a '300' KW truck system, but its two 150k's ran parallel mounted on the back off a deuce
I went on armed forces day with my dad. He was in charge of the generators. A 10kw unit was enormous and trailer mounted. Had a Wisconsin engine and just hummed all day.
I used those old 3Ks for years. I loved mine, mounted it on a trailer and we used it out in the field all of the time.
Fortuitous to run across Kurt, for sure. When major companies have lame parts, it creates an umbrella for guys like Kurt to do it right. That's how America is supposed to work! Looks like you have a nice little genset now, albeit rather loud for being enclosed. I like my generators nice and quiet. I am also not sure how long that funky old 'inverter' will last.
Seeing all those added sensors brought back some memories. You definitely bought a unit that had a lot of testing done
this is what I have as a back up and use around the farm when i need power in the field
Nice.
I miss my 4.2 k on my 577A2 I do not miss taking it out of the cage on the deck and lowering it by chain hoist to the ground. 😅 It is nice to see someone bring military gear back to life.
Wow... First time I am watching this type generator... Awesome you also awesome😀
awesome, i worked on these as a power generator mechanic in the Army. Cool to see one again.
I was a 52D, Generator mechanic for 10 years. I never saw one of these units. I worked on a lot of 1.5, 3, 5 and 10kw units but they were all gasoline powered.
The Army started upgrading to diesel gens in the 90's . We had Gasoline gens when I began my Army career as well. In 03 we had some gasoline 3ks that were converted to diesel engines, MEP016D. They were much better generators than the MEP 831.
Interesting video! I appreciate cutting out the fluf - anyone who has refurb'd equipment (that they plan to keep) knows that hose, filter replacements, etc is just a given. So I don't see the need to see it or hear the rationale behind doing that type of stuff. Would be cool to see a scope shot of the inverter output.
In 23.5 years I’ve never seen one this clean including the new ones that got shipped to us out on our airpads! LoL
I have been using a MEP-016D to offset the solar when the panels are covered with snow. I have used this old MEP for 8 years now. The L 70 Yanmar just keeps on running. Very fuel efficient.
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I love the build quality of military equipment
What a beast! The generator is also cool.
As a com's guy I used those little generators constantly for the last decade. They work
Kirt is a good guy. I bought a remote start kit from him for my 803.
Not surprised that you mentioned the fuel gauge might need replacing. In my experience with military support equipment, the fuel gauges are almost always faulty.
When you opened the front panel at 8:47 - my eyes went straight to the little blue trimmers. Wow, PC mount trimmers exposed to the world. Those appear to be Bourns 3386 trimmers - very high quality trimmers that are 'kind of' sealed. We have found that they occasionally don't fare well when exposed to high humidity or moisture for extended periods of time. My guess - they went bad. Inexpensive at about $2 each. Bourns part number 3386P-1-xxxLF. The xxx is the resistance value which is printed on the part. For example "253" which would be a 25K ohm trimmer -- 3386P-1-253LF. The replacement board appears to have a digital-potentiometer on it (IC7) - good idea.
Really good generators when maintained properly, which doesn't require much to do.
That's a pretty big 3KW generator set!! I would almost bet that the flaw with the engine speed module was
with all them potentiometer adjustments just left outside of the module, in the open to salt air moisture,
fumes, dust and potential of debris! And so it just might look as though the Marine Corps scrapped the
notion of any future contracts and semi de-militarized them to a small degree. Those gen-sets were probably
also to expensive to buy anymore and given the reliability aspects and well. That may explain the low hours on
this one! The supply chain may have also failed to get these modules given just who is the manufacturer
was that was subcontracted for that module build! Who the hell really knows for that matter! I know of a Chief
Senior Military Technologist person that was contracted by Pentagon that may have been involved for the testing
and approval for the purchase of such equipment for the military. His name is Lee Wheelbarger, Inventor and skilled
professional when it comes to a lot of things related to the military! I supposed that if you were to contact him
David, perhaps he might be able to fill you in on a thing or two on this Genset!
Excellent video David. Anxious to see how the super efficient Yanmar diesel with a couple extra conversion stages compares on DC charging efficiency per gallon (gasoline) to your 6 hp alternator generator. They should be fairly close since the higher power density of diesel should compensate for the low loss conversion stages.
I'm excited too. This Yanmar should kick butt compared to my gasoline projects.
I am suspecting that the unit was used for training. Due to all the auxiliary sensor wires etc and the other problems. You know how training units are used!
What a great little machine!
Reliable is a strange word hearing, having been in the Army with so much unreliable garbage. Great to see
if you ever decide to get the bigger generators the 5k , the low oil pressure will prevent you from starting the generator unless you hold down the fault/reset switch while trying to start it :)
That's a good point. I also own the 802 and have a couple videos with it.
My son is in the Army (14E MOS PATRIOT Missile crew member) and when I went to his AIT graduation I took a tour of the system a d the Army has 2 generators running the engagement control and the RADAR. The EPP consists of two 150 kW diesel engines interconnected with 400 hertz generators. The generators are mounted on a modified M977 HEMTT
When I was active duty that govenor controller was always the issue! And fuel filter being very dirty! You are right about the 24v batteries, they would go bad just sitting out in the winter, in the battery compartment!
dave you got a beautiful generator there for your set up . as always you got it running great. great video .
What a cool piece of equipment!!
I think all the people asking “how much $$?” are glossing right over whether they themselves could have muddled through all the work you put in before it ever made a lick of power. Or maybe they want the price for one that’s 100% debugged and turn-key where the cost of a guy like you going through it for them is just built in! They won’t like that number. 🤣
Interested to see all the test/project ideas for this thing that you alluded to in other comments, in their due time. Thanks for another interesting power generation vid.
You are probably right. A ready to go unit typically is sold around $3k.
Glad to see you did what I suggested and got a gen set. I didn't know you battery charge controller would accept AC voltage and is why I included an external rectifier between the gen set and charge controller. That gen set @ 240V/16A = 3840W peak but the continuous rating is 240V/12.5A =3000W
You can expect to get close to 12 gal for every 24hr use. [Or 1/2 gal/hr]
If you look in the background of his videos, you'll catch that one here and there. I bet he's been sitting on this one awhile!
about 15 bucks a day - we can see why pv panels are taking over but nice to have a backup - liberal amounts of foam insulation plastered to this thing would help sound issues - compared to modern gernerators it is sort of a non starter (pardon the pun) #yamaha #roi #tco
Reminds me of my time in the Marines in the late 1970's. Are whole batalion left are Marine base and set up a small city in the woods on an Army base. I was made a Sgt. of the guard and part my job was care of the generators at night. There were around a dozen or more, like each the size of four fridges or more. If it was more then some basic stuff, then I'ld have to wake some of the engineers. Lots of dials and switches to check and know how to start and run. I fully expected some Green Baray(sp) to try to sneak in and try to sabatage them, that being a choice target, but they never did, but the generators were the biggest prob for that month in the woods other than a couple of my guards.
Bought one about three years ago. Got it running for about three hours, and the inverter went out. The inverters are very expensive, and hard to find. I would recommend getting a MEP-802A 5KW, or A MEP-803A 10KW. They do not have inverters, and I believe more reliable. Just a suggestion. Great video, and content Thank You.
I also have an 802. I've shown it in past videos.
as a 91b i had to learn how to work on these because we never had alot of generator mechanics in my unit. these things sucked, they were old and reliable, yes. but they were always left outside and when something went wrong, combined with the issue of people in tents being pissed, they were never fun to work on. The biggest issue i ever seen with them was a shorted ground or a busted fuel tank, suprisingly i never worked on any of the disel engines in these.
Peope like Kurt are amazing.
Now who doesn’t want one of these in there life?
Fun video. I'm a new subscriber. Yeah military equipment tends to be quirky in exact proportion to how different it is from any comparable commercial machine. The parts that are unique - like that speed controller and the whole idea of an inverter at the time - don't have the benefit of feedback from a mass market, so their reliability can be hit-or-miss even though they're made with very high end components and fab techniques. Commercial designs are often also flaky at the outset, but after a few ten-thousand units have shipped, problems that didn't manifest during design become apparent and get fixed.
One other thing you inadvertently illustrated is why pulling tanks out of storage for deployment in Ukraine has been hard and painful on both sides. Multiply this generator's issues by about five thousand.
I'm not up-to-date on the tank issues. What kinds of problems are they having?
I own an MEP 803. 10kw multi-phase selection. Single phase 120 or 240volt. Or 3 phase. I got it on auction. It was left out in the weather and full of water. I had to drain and replace the oil three times to get all the water out. It runs great. Has a onan diesel. The only problem with it is a winding issue that causes a harmonic ac voltage imposed into the dc circuit. Not a real problem but causes radio interference. I bought an in-line filter that shunts out the interference.
See? There is utility in falling down the RUclips rabbit hole. I find cool content like this. It just so happens I’ve been perusing govplanet for just such a generator. Cheers!
David thank you for your service, and really cool video thanks
Great video. Would have loved to see more about the restoration part (cleaning, replacing of hoses, etc.) and especially the fault searching with the idler (incl. Kurt Klopp perhaps) - which you sped through quickly.
Sorry, I was saying to myself "Who wants to watch 4 hours of replacing rubber hoses?" LOL. The return hoses on these are particularly thin rubber, and known to blow out. I used thicker fuel injection hose even on the return just to make sure. I also replaced the plastic "T" fitting with brass. The plastic one can crack over time. So, I'm not really doing a restoration, because I'm using a few things higher quality.
I do HVAC for a living. Have to deal with those type of potentiometers for economizers. They are very easy to break, have to be very gentle when adjusting. A lot of the time, they are broken upon arrival.
different from the generators i used to work on in the 80's, kinda cool. only thing is back in the 80's all the generators as i recall were made in the U.S.A. Governors back then if i remember right were all mechanical and the first thing to go was usually the voltage regulators.
Love that generator! Kurt did an awesome job! I'm curious about why diodes, not just simple bridges.
Usually the diodes will be for some kind of holding path check in the circuitry. When you press the start button some electrical test will go on and close a relay, allowing the system to come on. The diodes prevent it from coming on as soon as the on button is pressed. Don’t know this system though
One of the toggle switches has a cover ...like the ones in a Missile silo. That alone was worth the purchase of this Generator.
Fun ride along video, thanks for putting it together
I could make it run definitely. Worked on those for years.
I've worked on those generators and adding a digital controller for being able to remote start when mains power fails you can combine the remote start with an ATS and you have a good budget backup system
Super cool generator! I like the servicability
You kept the fuel filter, good man!!
Nice! Thanks for posting David!
It seems to be a hell of a big complicated unit for only 3kW!
I am sure the enemy wouldnt have difficulty finding you with that thing running!
you should hear the mogas powered version! 😂
Here comes Kurt - was a german trash hit back in the late 80s or early 90s and that fits perfectly for KK or Kurt Klopp, which is pretty german.
Now Kurt has become a pretty rare name , but his product seems to work perfectly well !
Funny that the army has not acquired even such a basic solution in over 16 years.
Great video. I see these on the auction sites and always wonder about them.
This is solid proof as to why a Honda EU 3000is is a smoking deal compared to this tired out old beast. but getting it running was a lot of fun!
Hell yeah Kurt!! What a legend!
This would make a cool DC generator. Rectify the permanent magnet alternator output and feed it straight into some MPPT charge controllers and you would remove the 240VAC stage to maybe increase the efficiency.
Thank you for your service
Im suprised being military and the way the control circuits are all wired normally with one color, that they werent already pre-numbered or labeled. Much faster to diagnose problems and fix things just like this lol.. Cool generator and cool video.
Cool. Nice job getting it to run. Very interesting. Thanks for sharing
What's up with the added on oil pressure gauge, looks like it was showing no pressure? Nice looking unit!
Thanks David for your videos l am learning alot.
welcome back to the ARMY.
That Yanmar should run a long time. Now you just need a sound proof building to put it in.
Im a 91D; I was surprised you like these. In my experience they were among the most unreliable other than the 805B, love the AMMPS series and the rest of the TQG lineup. PPUs are pretty cool too.
Part of the reason I liked them is because I could get them running even when it was 0°F outside. The others had a harder time starting in those temps. However, I admit there is a steeper learning curve with these 831s, they are not perfect.
I agree, they are overcomplicated junk in my opinion. Wasted tax dollars. Yes you can get the engine running pretty easy, but its not reliable for producing power.
The finicky actuator was always fun to adjust in sub zero temperatures.
I also replaced that invertor before in 110 degree heat. I had to tear apart the entire cover. I did the whole job in a hot as hell maintenance tent.
@@hvacsoldier1554 yes; ive yet to see one hold an adjustment for more than a couple days(if the actuator didn't die all together)
@@MrRedd49 compared to the newer AMMPs series the TQG line up outside of the 3k were the good stuff
That is great, you got an EMP Hardened diesel generator. I almost bought one with 200 hours on it for $1,080. but I waited too long and lost it to someone else.
the yellow parts of the temp sensors looks like the pieces that plug into the electronic bluetooth pyrometer they have at my work
It's a lot easier to label when they aren't screwed in. Removing one at a time then labeling it.
Aye look a mep generator I don’t see many of the small ones but I have worked with like the MEP-805/806 A and B’s, those are the 30Kw and 60Kw respectively, I’m active duty Air Force in the power production field so I’m familiar with generators especially the mil-spec ones
Damn nice generator my friend
Great piece for backup.
If you aren't careful you'll end up with one of each capacity! :D
Haha, that could never happen... LOL
That was fun! Thanks!
You could make A offset tank just for the fuel return line purposes so you can run it dry. Through that separate offset tank connected into your fuel lines into A doubled up T- line brass fittings.,or metal ones the size of your other fuel input off the machine itself with A fuel filter,& water separator add on brackets tied together on one bar strip plate attached to the generator painted olive green to match it all.
Fuel consumption should be about 3/4 gallon per hour at full load. I worked on these when I was in the service. Great little units if you keep them maintained. I would like Kurt's contact information if possible. I could use a couple of his controllers.
I linked to his Ebay store in the description. You can send him a message through ebay.
While it does primarily run off of diesel as it's fuel. Being that it is a military service generator it should be multi-fuel capable. If it is then that works in your favor as you can produce your own fuel for it.
The smallest gen set my unit had was 5kw and the largest was 150kw, we were an Engineer company so we needed the variety at different times.
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Being in the Army I hated these generators we got to a point we brought a Honda and never had any issues.
Ahhh, when you opened the hood I was crushed! I was expecting to see a small, liquid cooled two or three cylinder diesel engine, such as a Kubota, that would run at 1800 rpm and allow for easily capturing waste heat as well. That's gonna be a screamer (3600 rpm). I suppose you could determine what the generator output voltage is and use a transformer and rectifier to go straight to the 48 volt battery. Could select a transformer ratio that allows it to run at lower speed, but of course at lower output as well. Still need to recover the heat in an off grid situation since that where most of your fuel goes, and air cooled just isn't conducive to that.
I have an 802, which is another military generator model. It is a liquid cooled 1800rpm
@@DavidPozEnergy Ah yes, I thought it was an 802 you mentioned. I'm not really familiar with the military sets, but 802 does sound familiar. Lots of information on these on Smokstak and Steel Soldiers, but sounds like you're well covered with your friend. ;) I haven't seen your videos in a while, but it used to be you had utility electricity but were more or less not using it. Have you truly "cut the cord" now? I would SO love to do that. ;) I'll admit, this set sure does look like a sweet little unit. I wonder what it's operating speed range is, no load to full load?
Lol I don’t recall ever seeing a mil-spec generator that ran while I was in the army.
I like the shorter format!
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hi david paz what a cool dizzel canverter generater cool ass two🎉
Well I've got quite a lot to say about single cylinder generators for off grid.
I'm not in love with Yanmar single cylinder Diesels. Upsides are they are cheap[ish] to replace, downsides are any hours you get over 3000 are a bonus. I've had bad luck with 3 of these engines in my 7kva generator. At no stage was any load ever placed on this generator in excess of 4.5kw.
So I've had 1x broken crankshaft at