It’s wonderful to see a major corporation like Matsushita/Panasonic continue to provide their state of the art engineering prowess to the audiophile community.
Wow even the high-end models moved. I got my M5gs in 2003 and they were still made by some of the same Japanese workers who had been making them for years.@@Lee.Higginbotham
True, but the issue is that if they were still made in Japan they would cost even more - if the products no longer sell because of cost then everyone loses when they pull out of the market.
Common sense? Like claiming to invent direct drive? People have been attaching electromotors to axels long before Technics came along. There is nothing to invent, direct drive as opposed to belt drive. It's just the description of the mechanical setup. They didn't do direct drive on turntables because of the rumble it would produce. When all moters got good enough they started doing direct drive. Nothing to invent on Technics side, buy good motor, stick it to platter, done. Major invention... sure... Lousy sales pitch for the gullible.
I still have 2 mint 1200 MK2s both with mfg date September 11, 1987 with shure cartridges and they work and sound like New. These turntables were built to last 👍
yep, it kills me when people call these DJ tables, they were and are audiophile tables i have the SL1210 M5G brand new in box i was offered 2k for it turned them down
I bought an SL1200GR a few weeks ago as it was on offer and added an Ortofon bronze cartridge and an Ortofon 78 cartridge in a spare head shell, this was a huge amount of money for me as I'm not an audiophile and took a lot of thinking about it before buying and when I heard the new one was coming out soon I did wonder whether to wait and pay more or to grab this deal whilst I could. I was fortunate to get one of the last ones available and I'm absolutely loving playing my rock n roll 78s on it, those and regular 33rpm albums and 45s sound better than anything I've ever played them on before. The 1200GR has replaced my old belt drive Technics SL-20 that I bought second hand in the mid 80's and probably dates to the mid 70's and could only play 33 and 45 rpm records. I bought some shelving cube units and have got all my records out of cases in the wardrobe and it's been fantastic rediscovering them and hearing them sound better than ever before. The 1200GR really is a superb record player and if the new model is even better then I think anyone who buys it will be more than happy with it, I love mine and am so glad I decided to go for it and didn't go for the less expensive brand I was originally looking at, I thought that if this one lasts as long as my previous Technics deck it should see me out! My thinking was buy quality, buy once and enjoy it for years rather than wishing I'd spent more and got what I really wanted. When it arrived I was amazed how heavy the 1200GR is compared to my old SL-20, the platter weighs a ton and doesn't ring like the old one does and everything feels so solid and beautifully made, a quality bit of equipment. I also learned how to properly set up the turntable which helps. Sound quality is amazing and I don't think I could hear the difference with a more expensive SL1200G? For me, this SL1200GR is absolutely perfect. I've rediscovered my love of vinyl, one very happy Technics SL1200GR customer. It will be interesting to see the comparison tests when the new SL1200GR2 hits the shops though. Now I wonder if a better amp...... ;)
My very first Technics was an SL-D1, which I still have and use. It has been so reliable I just never have found a reason to get rid of it. Smooth, quiet and dependable....everybody has their own preferences and I've just never seen a need for any other turntable.
Bill Voss comes over as really pleasent guy, and that turntable is insanely desirable. I'm retired now and have to watch my spending very carefully, other wise I would buy a pair of these in a heart beat.
I bought the Technics SL-1200M7L 50th Anniversary black DJ Turntable earlier this year and absolutely love it. I paired it with the Ortofon 2M Blue on one head shell and an Ortofon 78 on an OM20 for 78s. I’m sure the mechanics are similar. I wish this edition had come with a hinged cover Thank you for this review.
I went for a SL 1200 MK5 made in japan and built like a tank. That was the best choice … I won’t go for any new generation models. Next model will probably an antic yamaha GT 2000
Last year I brought at 1500C - as my DJ Days were over, decided I never needed the Pitch control ( But it does look cool ) the 1500c sounds superb with the Ortofon Blue
I bought one too, about year and half ago and just upgraded to a Otofon Blue. It does sound good! Question, does your tone arm go down slowly or somewhat fast, when you use the cueing lever?
Really enjoyed this presentation, Michael. Like many who’ve left a comment on this video, I’ve used a combo of belt and direct for many years, and enjoy both for different reasons. I will definitely consider this TT from the presentation, as I will be looking to replace my current DD in the very near future.
My most recent turntable was a Technics SL-1200mk7 and I loved it. I would consider picking up this turntable if I had the money available. Who doesn't wanna be part of the Technics Army?
Many of my fancy turntables have come and gone but still have my 1995 SL-BD20 in the living room! In all that time I've replaced the belt once and a new stylus and I can assure everyone that it gets lots of use!
Cogging was never a real issue on direct drive turntables even back in the day. Marketing BS to sell belt drives over direct drives. Personally Iv always preferred direct drive as speed stability is an important factor . My 45 year old pioneer pl 518 still going strong 💪 and sounding amazing.
You think? I can go to a local shop and get a serviced and warrantied technics table that was actually produced in the time the reputation they are banking on was made for half what this thing costs.
@@bzuidgeestPast and present. I'll bet there's not a single TT priced below that can top its technical specs (wow, flutter, rumble etc). Value judgement and whether such things are worth pursuit is up to you.
I still left the left side of amp empty for one of these beauties it will actually be paired with a MONO stylus for all my mono pressings while the mk2 will be left with the clearaudio maestro MM since it’s as far as I’m concerned the best stylus in the
amazing, just got a Jico SAS/B for my 205c mk3 and was testing precisely with tjis Technics Test record... although I am in the GR MK1 :) I would like to know when Technics comes back to the Cartridge manufacturing... a mk5 for epc-100 and the epc-205 would be amazing !!!
Totally agree. I have a 205CMK3 body but my stylus is now at the end of its life. I never knew you could still get a stylus from Jico but it would be great if Technics could bring out an up to date model or re-introduce the 205cmk3. I'm not sure if they got a cartridge manufacturer to make it for them. Mind, it would be some price now in today's market. I wasn't keen on the Ortofon 2M Blue.
The SL1200 GR was launched at 1499€ here in France back in 2016 I guess .. now it costs 1749€ because of inflation, demand, blablabla .. this new SL1200 GR2 will cost 2199€ .. maybe it's better, maybe .. but let's be honest, these changes feel minor to me right now .. and the reality is that prices only go up with Technics products these days .. that is sad ☹☹
@DG-ie5ip how? My made in Japan SL-1200G is now worth more than I paid for it, its individual choice, some folk will buy and pimp cars , some smoke and drink their lives away, some buy technics turntables and enjoy titing around with carts etc, of which I'm one 😉
Bought mine about 3 weeks ago, I got the black 1210GR2 and am more than impressed and happy with it, running an Ortofon 2M Black for now but will try a Hana cartridge in a few months.
Mr. Fremer just to let you know the Jazz Bums Channel dedicated a whole video on dogging you out. They really let you have it. This deserves a rebuttal for lack of better terms. I let them know you are the Vinyl God and Guru and it was unacceptable. Rock on Mr. Fremer I owe My whole Collection to you!!!
I have originally new from 1979 a SL-1700MKII it’s the same as the SL-1200MKII but with a floating platter and tone arm more like a Thorens. Bought new for $200 with a Shure V15 type IV
It’s a nice update no doubt. However, I’m still waiting for something ultimate in 1200 series of turntables. Technics has been doing a great job launching all these models and special editions in the past 7-8 years since relaunch of the turntable and brand for that matter, but something like 1200GAE and perhaps external power supply from the SP10R and return of that Boron tone arm would be highly appropriated among enthusiasts
The ultimate SL-1200 arrived in 2016 , its the SL-1200G/ and GAE ,the GAE was limited to 1200 units in commemoration of technics 50th anniversary, which all sold out , so that leaves the SL-1200G, which has a magnesium alloyed tone arm , not boron , boron is sometimes used in cartridge cantilevers such as the wonderful MP200, from NAGAOKA. you'd have to go along way to better the G model and spend 1000s more .
@@peterstudley1804 I am highly aware of all that and boron arm was used for SP-10's and SP-1000 back in the day and they still go for some pretty money ( thats if you can find one ) if my recollection still serves me. Hard to beat that one for sure. But I'd just like to see Technics go even a step further in development of the legendary 1200's. And eventually I am sure it will. Perhaps have it with separated power supply like the one !000R has now. And perhaps developing some sort of phono stage/pream unit too for those two. So we don't need to seek aftermarket places for them.
Still mixing with my old sl-1200mk2 and ortofon concorde carts , hope to get another 10 years from them . Glad the mk7 and the new models are not Hanpin OEM
I run vintage DD tables (a Pioneer from the 70s and a Denon from the 80s). Belt drive tables are a PITA to me. Not that they are all bad, there are great ones out there, they are just more cumbersome. Of course, I am also rather limited in what carts I can use not due to weight, but due to VTA because VTA is not adjustable on my tables. It is set, so for example I can't use a cart set at 23 degrees VTA as my tonearms are set at 20 degrees VTA. (I could possibly do so with shims, but that is another $300 at least and is for professionals. I know how to set up turntables thanks in part to Michael Fremer and have set up my own tables, but I would not in any way consider myself a professional). While my tables are not as adjustable as today's tables (and I can't even use Wally Tools on them, just not compatible. I do have custom protractors for them though at least), the one thing they do have going for me is that they are built like tanks almost. I could throw rocks at them and they wouldn't care. (I don't recommend doing that though). I was always wondering how I would replace my tables if anything happened. The Technics tables of old were awful in regards to speed control, etc. This new table is NOT the tables of old. I'm not a fan of the DJ table look, but I can live with it for the functionality of this table. Only a few years ago I would have to pay around $10,000 for a direct drive table. While $2200 is expensive to us normal people, but in today's money $2200 for this table is quite good! If I had to replace my tables today, this would be it. I may even try to save up now (would take at least 5 years at this point) and replace my current tables just for kicks if nothing else.
My question on turntables. If you were useing the same cartridge would you notice a difference between a Fluance Rt85 and this new Technics would you actually notice a difference?
I really would consider getting one of these IF it had a removable tonearm board instead of that tonearm. I would put a Wand on this table and be very very happy. When will Technics understand most people want to upgrade the tonearm?
according to US CPI inflation calculator, these would be ~$1000 decks in 1993. more expensive than I recall paying for my grey-market SL1200mk2s around the time, but it does seem like the drive technology has improved.
Every electromoter has improved, this one is not special. Better magnets, better electronics, just normal evolution of the moter design, of the shelve.
Cogging was never a real problem in the older units, as it was so low, that it was never audible, even though the belt drive fanatics, claimed it was a real issue.
A delta sigma modulator is a $0.50 part. It is so common it is in every capacitive button on the planet, every touch screen, most audio DACs. So there is nothing keeping them from putting it in a $200 turntable.
I have found that the lowest torque setting on the GR model provides a smoother, deeper presentation, whereas the higher torque settings are more "shouty", if that makes sense. Lower torque for more "grace". Low torque vs high torque has always sounded similar to MC vs MM carts, with the former having more natural extension and the latter having more punch. Where I'm curious here, is will there be a way to do part swaps on a GR to get the noise reduction improvements from the GR2 without having to change out the entire deck? Swapping control boards is a lot less tiresome to me than having to completely switch turntables.
Nice interview. Nice turntable too. However, what I desire is something this good and similarly priced, but prettier. It is, after all, the topmost component and a focal point of many systems. I'm struggling to find both qualities in one unit.
Want! I sold my pair of SL1200 MK2s back in 2019 and I got double what I had paid for them originally but still regret selling. Maybe I'll snag a pair of these babies?!
So moving to a cheap switched power supply is now marketed as better than a transformer, and that and the digital-controlled motor have some magical capability to reduce rumble?
I felt it best to address this and a few other issues when I get one to review. Too many people think you can use only one alignment with a given tone arm. That's not true of course.
Wow and didn’t know Technics invented the direct drive. I’ve always loved and had Technics TTS and just bought the SL-5 linear tt from like 1982 from eBay and love how great it’s built and made. I also have the Technics SL-1400 and it’s the smaller version of the SL-1200 and also built solid. I’m glad Techincs are still making tts bc around 2002, the word was Technics was no longer making tts. Also, Technics has a list of all their tts on the internet and good to view to see the model you have or want and when they came out. The reason most djs back in the days stuck with Technics 1200 was bc it was the best and reliable.
I find the claim of inventing direct drive fraudulent. Every electro motor out there that is directly attached to something is a direct drive. The term only has meaning as opposed to using a belt. There is nothing to invent on direct drive, it's just a mechanical description. This thing while still good will be made in the cheapest Chinese factory they can find. Trading on brand recognition. At least it's not one of those horrible plastic mechanisms you see everywhere these days.
@@djstuc you think direct drive on a turntable qualifies as an invention? Talking about obvious applications. I'm not pedantic, the guy in the video literally says they invented direct drive. Invented the act of coupling a motor to an object to turn. What an invention that is. A lot of braincells must have been used on that. Everybody thought of that, it just took some time before moters that turned silently enough came available for everyone to use. There is no invention here at all. Just a variant of apple claiming to have invented square tablets.
He’s correctly pronouncing it. It’s correctly pronounced “Techneeks”. He’s worked for the company for many years so you can be sure he’s careful about correctly pronouncing it. But since you’ve stopped watching you’ll never learn of your mistake.
Is Technics aware that in a high number of 1200s, GR model but also G model, the platter is unbalanced and has a wobble effect? If the answer is yes, has Technics done anything to prevent it?
@@rustypipe It appears to me that the defect also occurred on 1200 (and 1500) purchased recently: I am an Italian audiophile and on the main discussion forum, it is possible to find at least two threads, recently opened, that talk about it; without mentioning the recent videos on RUclips which provide a visual testimony of the wobble effect. Anyway, thanks!
the oscillation has always been there even on mk2 or mk5 or m5g there is a tolerance! obviously there were models in which the platter oscillated too much and there was a problem there... but essentially all 1200s have a platter oscillation
Never thought of upgrading my sl1210 mk2 but ill book a demo and see if it can out perform my techy you better put a good cartridge on i use a audio technica at33 pgt11 on mine and it sings
Have a 1210 mk2 too with a Oc9xml on it and it sounds fantastic, I might do the same of course Id have to find a place where theyd let me switch my mk2 in and out. I also have a silicone tonearm damper on mine which also improves the sound so it would be tricky to get a direct comparison. Also the 12GR2 is available for preorder on Richer Sounds at STG1799, which is Euro 2070, the 12GR is currently Euro 1399, so €671 price difference as of todays exchange rate (I'm in Ireland). I wonder will the sound improvement justify that.
Audio Technica tried to clone the SL 1200 but there is no comparison with Technics, I have had many different direct drive turntables in the past but Technics is the only one that has a quiet platter.
the GR was also for DJs but then due to the price being too high they had to create mk7 to be competitive with other brands of turntables such as pioneer reloop
@@marcoanfuso9492 Sorry for contraddicting you, but this is far from the case. There are plenty of YT videos and web articles showing the reasons why the GR is not suitable for Djing: instable speed, strong torque, jumpy feet, ...
Can I ask the spokesman, my old 1200 top plastic dust cover case pivot at the back that allows me to lift it is broke at the plastic piece (not the metal). How do I fix?
I'm not shure yet but I have to confirm if I prefer LED Vs Incadecent Pop Up Target Light but it seems that the LED gives off more glare and makes the grooves less visible. Again, I have to confirm this.
All technics were produced in Malaysia from April 2021 , the MK7 has always been produced in Malaysia since its launch, made in Japan models will always be more desirable.
Where is it manufactured ? The first batches of GR where made in Japan. Also hope you fixed the issues with the arm lift . It is technologically superior to SL 1200 mkii, perhaps with audibly better sound, but if you out side to side the mkii and the GR the second looks cheaper construction.. Mkii has better lift mechanism, dual layer damping inside, better thicker plexiglass, nicer buttons, more metal parts ect.
In my extensive tests I'd also argue that the mk2 sounds better than the GR. The base of the tonearm is plastic on the GR and aluminium on the mk2 making the whole arm base more solid and less resonant
@@paulwheatley141 I would say the opposite, for me GR sounded better , however it is brand new and mkii is from 98’ . So it is difficult to make correct comparison. Definitely the GR has more plastic parts, for example the arm lift mechanism, or the light bulb which is a toy compared to mkii. And G and GAE have the same bulb, so it is not the case of the “cheaper” model.
@tnarch I think "better" is subjective. To my ears the mk2 had a more extended and "airy" treble than the GR which sounded a bit rounded off in the higher frequency. Sound stage was much of a muchness but it was the overall feel of the GR after the mk2 which was so disappointing. I think the fact that people will still pay upwards of £1800 for a mk2 says everything about the comparison. I did have a barely used 2007 mk2 with the KAB fluid damper but I compared like for like with the damper for the GR also. The G has a bigger fuller and heavier sound than the mk2. I would say GR, Mk2 then G in that order for build and Sound quality.
The mk7 are cheaply made compared to the G and the GR. There's a weight difference GR2 being heavier so the isolation and different type of power supply will ensure superior isolation.
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It’s wonderful to see a major corporation like Matsushita/Panasonic continue to provide their state of the art engineering prowess to the audiophile community.
They officially dont go by Matsushita anymore. They are officially just Panasonic now. I just found this out somewhat recently as well.
Shame they no longer manufacture in Japan anymore. The 1200GR I got was made in Japan before they moved. 😢
Wow even the high-end models moved. I got my M5gs in 2003 and they were still made by some of the same Japanese workers who had been making them for years.@@Lee.Higginbotham
@@Lee.Higginbotham So is it made in China?
True, but the issue is that if they were still made in Japan they would cost even more - if the products no longer sell because of cost then everyone loses when they pull out of the market.
1980s hip hop dj’s rejoice. Still rocking my 1200. A workhorse
Hats off to this spokesman. Lots of history and insight. Plus he speaks common sense.
Yes, much appreciated the history part.
Common sense? Like claiming to invent direct drive? People have been attaching electromotors to axels long before Technics came along. There is nothing to invent, direct drive as opposed to belt drive. It's just the description of the mechanical setup.
They didn't do direct drive on turntables because of the rumble it would produce. When all moters got good enough they started doing direct drive. Nothing to invent on Technics side, buy good motor, stick it to platter, done. Major invention... sure...
Lousy sales pitch for the gullible.
@@bzuidgeest I don’t think I said one of the things you mention
I was in high school when I bought my SL-B92 in 1986 and it is still going strong ! I love the new SL-1200GR2 !
I’ve had my 1200 mk 2 for years and love it! Still going since 1979
I still have my 1979 Technics SL-3300 and it still works flawlessly. Never has been serviced. Love it.
I still have 2 mint 1200 MK2s both with mfg date September 11, 1987 with shure cartridges and they work and sound like New. These turntables were built to last 👍
legit
Me too!
Mine are from 1998 still like new.
yep, it kills me when people call these DJ tables, they were and are audiophile tables i have the SL1210 M5G brand new in box i was offered 2k for it turned them down
What was the price of these units back in the day?
Great turntables! I’ve owned a Technics since 1980.
I bought an SL1200GR a few weeks ago as it was on offer and added an Ortofon bronze cartridge and an Ortofon 78 cartridge in a spare head shell, this was a huge amount of money for me as I'm not an audiophile and took a lot of thinking about it before buying and when I heard the new one was coming out soon I did wonder whether to wait and pay more or to grab this deal whilst I could. I was fortunate to get one of the last ones available and I'm absolutely loving playing my rock n roll 78s on it, those and regular 33rpm albums and 45s sound better than anything I've ever played them on before. The 1200GR has replaced my old belt drive Technics SL-20 that I bought second hand in the mid 80's and probably dates to the mid 70's and could only play 33 and 45 rpm records. I bought some shelving cube units and have got all my records out of cases in the wardrobe and it's been fantastic rediscovering them and hearing them sound better than ever before. The 1200GR really is a superb record player and if the new model is even better then I think anyone who buys it will be more than happy with it, I love mine and am so glad I decided to go for it and didn't go for the less expensive brand I was originally looking at, I thought that if this one lasts as long as my previous Technics deck it should see me out! My thinking was buy quality, buy once and enjoy it for years rather than wishing I'd spent more and got what I really wanted. When it arrived I was amazed how heavy the 1200GR is compared to my old SL-20, the platter weighs a ton and doesn't ring like the old one does and everything feels so solid and beautifully made, a quality bit of equipment. I also learned how to properly set up the turntable which helps. Sound quality is amazing and I don't think I could hear the difference with a more expensive SL1200G? For me, this SL1200GR is absolutely perfect. I've rediscovered my love of vinyl, one very happy Technics SL1200GR customer. It will be interesting to see the comparison tests when the new SL1200GR2 hits the shops though. Now I wonder if a better amp...... ;)
I love Technics turntables and the brand. Thanks for sharing.
My very first Technics was an SL-D1, which I still have and use. It has been so reliable I just never have found a reason to get rid of it. Smooth, quiet and dependable....everybody has their own preferences and I've just never seen a need for any other turntable.
I still am rocking my Technics SL-D2. I love it
Youre not alone and it is cheap to buy haha
Bill Voss comes over as really pleasent guy, and that turntable is insanely desirable. I'm retired now and have to watch my spending very carefully, other wise I would buy a pair of these in a heart beat.
Indeed, also very passionate about music! Always a pleasure to meet him at the shows. He keeps me busy restoring records!
It's a sales pitch. You also buy insurance from every pleasant guy at your door?
What did you expect, him to start swearing at you too buy it🤣🤣
The worlds no. 1 turntable. Happy to see it still going strong :)
When I was a D.J. in south Florida in the 80's I had 4 1200s in the booth. Best tables ever.
I have the SL 1200 MKII built in 1985 and KAB upgraded. It is an awesome table.
so actually in the future I can purchase this circuit separately and install it in my 1210GR. Excellent!
I bought the Technics SL-1200M7L 50th Anniversary black DJ Turntable earlier this year and absolutely love it. I paired it with the Ortofon 2M Blue on one head shell and an Ortofon 78 on an OM20 for 78s. I’m sure the mechanics are similar. I wish this edition had come with a hinged cover Thank you for this review.
I went for a SL 1200 MK5 made in japan and built like a tank. That was the best choice …
I won’t go for any new generation models.
Next model will probably an antic yamaha GT 2000
It does! Same cover and hinge system
@@trackingangle929 I wish I could send a picture, because my anniversary edition in black doesn’t have a hinge or anywhere to add one. Still,love it.
I thought all the Technics high end tts had hodge covers. The djs back in the days would take off the covers and seldom used.
@@jacknjill3000 they all did, but sadly this anniversary edition doesn’t
My 1987 SL-1210MK2 with a Shure R1000 cartridge is still going strong and love it.
I love my 1210GR! so worth the investment
Me as well 👍🏻
Wow, very nice! Thanks for the preview. Love me some Technics SL series. 😎
Last year I brought at 1500C - as my DJ Days were over, decided I never needed the Pitch control ( But it does look cool ) the 1500c sounds superb with the Ortofon Blue
I bought one too, about year and half ago and just upgraded to a Otofon Blue. It does sound good! Question, does your tone arm go down slowly or somewhat fast, when you use the cueing lever?
@@mden2490 Slowly - hope that helps
I am still using my SL-1200 M3D, with an Ortofon Bronze. I purchased it brand new quite a long time ago, and it works perfectly, built to last.
I still have and use a Technics SU Z25. Great little amplifier.
Really enjoyed this presentation, Michael. Like many who’ve left a comment on this video, I’ve used a combo of belt and direct for many years, and enjoy both for different reasons. I will definitely consider this TT from the presentation, as I will be looking to replace my current DD in the very near future.
That’s a badass turntable!🔥
Hats off to those spinning these!
My most recent turntable was a Technics SL-1200mk7 and I loved it. I would consider picking up this turntable if I had the money available. Who doesn't wanna be part of the Technics Army?
Many of my fancy turntables have come and gone but still have my 1995 SL-BD20 in the living room! In all that time I've replaced the belt once and a new stylus and I can assure everyone that it gets lots of use!
Cogging was never a real issue on direct drive turntables even back in the day. Marketing BS to sell belt drives over direct drives. Personally Iv always preferred direct drive as speed stability is an important factor . My 45 year old pioneer pl 518 still going strong 💪 and sounding amazing.
It's only an issue when you stop it.
Thanks for the great video Michael, I am still salivating over it, so will watch it again!
Man that’s a clean looking system.
This is terrific news. I still have may 1400 and 1800 from the 70s.
love love the turntable good stuff Technics 👍👍👍👍👍👍❤❤
I have the SL-1200G model and I adore it. I use the Ortofon bronze cadenza cartridge. Sound wise, wow incredible...
Thanks Michael. Great content, as ever. Technics offer amazing bang for buck.
You think? I can go to a local shop and get a serviced and warrantied technics table that was actually produced in the time the reputation they are banking on was made for half what this thing costs.
@@bzuidgeestYou know what, that sounds like Technics offering great bang for buck.
@@barrybrennan2135 in the past yes, but your statement is in relation to the video and the current age.
@@bzuidgeestPast and present. I'll bet there's not a single TT priced below that can top its technical specs (wow, flutter, rumble etc). Value judgement and whether such things are worth pursuit is up to you.
Still awaiting the review of the 1200G series. I heard one in real life recently and I was extremely impressed. Over to you Mr Fremer...
Love my 1200 mk2 but this one looks sweet.
I still left the left side of amp empty for one of these beauties it will actually be paired with a MONO stylus for all my mono pressings while the mk2 will be left with the clearaudio maestro MM since it’s as far as I’m concerned the best stylus in the
The motor drive system is still very good but the tone arm still looks like 1970's to me but changing the the cartridges is still a big selling point
amazing, just got a Jico SAS/B for my 205c mk3 and was testing precisely with tjis Technics Test record... although I am in the GR MK1 :)
I would like to know when Technics comes back to the Cartridge manufacturing... a mk5 for epc-100 and the epc-205 would be amazing !!!
Totally agree. I have a 205CMK3 body but my stylus is now at the end of its life. I never knew you could still get a stylus from Jico but it would be great if Technics could bring out an up to date model or re-introduce the 205cmk3. I'm not sure if they got a cartridge manufacturer to make it for them. Mind, it would be some price now in today's market. I wasn't keen on the Ortofon 2M Blue.
The SL1200 GR was launched at 1499€ here in France back in 2016 I guess .. now it costs 1749€ because of inflation, demand, blablabla .. this new SL1200 GR2 will cost 2199€ .. maybe it's better, maybe .. but let's be honest, these changes feel minor to me right now .. and the reality is that prices only go up with Technics products these days .. that is sad ☹☹
nice. i still have my sl1200 mk2, which i bought not too long ago used. its a crazy tank. easily serviceable also
Man, swing that platter around near the tonearm was making me nervous. I have a SL1200 MK3 and love it. I will get either a GR2 or the G, eventually.
Solid presentation. Just like the Turntable.
I own an SL 1210G and I’m very interested in this turntable for a second rig. It’s a very good presentation but I’d like it to be abit more technical.
It's not on par to a G , nowhere near.
@@peterstudley1804 I know, I’m interested in it fir my second rig. 👍
@DG-ie5ip how? My made in Japan SL-1200G is now worth more than I paid for it, its individual choice, some folk will buy and pimp cars , some smoke and drink their lives away, some buy technics turntables and enjoy titing around with carts etc, of which I'm one 😉
Bought mine about 3 weeks ago, I got the black 1210GR2 and am more than impressed and happy with it, running an Ortofon 2M Black for now but will try a Hana cartridge in a few months.
Mr. Fremer just to let you know the Jazz Bums Channel dedicated a whole video on dogging you out. They really let you have it. This deserves a rebuttal for lack of better terms. I let them know you are the Vinyl God and Guru and it was unacceptable. Rock on Mr. Fremer I owe My whole Collection to you!!!
Awesome!!! Mr. Fremer.
Wish Technics would re release the SL 1950 auto changer in the UK like they did in America 80s
Technics still the best. i love playing on my decks
I have originally new from 1979 a SL-1700MKII it’s the same as the SL-1200MKII but with a floating platter and tone arm more like a Thorens. Bought new for $200 with a Shure V15 type IV
Had to chuckle Michael at the irony of an esteemed vinyl turntable controlled and improved by digital technology....🤔
I love digital in service of analog!
What's like likelihood that an SL1200-G2 is in the works ? Surprising yet nice to see they started out the improvements on the GR series.
I want to know this too
It’s a nice update no doubt. However, I’m still waiting for something ultimate in 1200 series of turntables. Technics has been doing a great job launching all these models and special editions in the past 7-8 years since relaunch of the turntable and brand for that matter, but something like 1200GAE and perhaps external power supply from the SP10R and return of that Boron tone arm would be highly appropriated among enthusiasts
The ultimate SL-1200 arrived in 2016 , its the SL-1200G/ and GAE ,the GAE was limited to 1200 units in commemoration of technics 50th anniversary, which all sold out , so that leaves the SL-1200G, which has a magnesium alloyed tone arm , not boron , boron is sometimes used in cartridge cantilevers such as the wonderful MP200, from NAGAOKA. you'd have to go along way to better the G model and spend 1000s more .
@@peterstudley1804 I am highly aware of all that and boron arm was used for SP-10's and SP-1000 back in the day and they still go for some pretty money ( thats if you can find one ) if my recollection still serves me. Hard to beat that one for sure. But I'd just like to see Technics go even a step further in development of the legendary 1200's. And eventually I am sure it will. Perhaps have it with separated power supply like the one !000R has now. And perhaps developing some sort of phono stage/pream unit too for those two. So we don't need to seek aftermarket places for them.
Still mixing with my old sl-1200mk2 and ortofon concorde carts , hope to get another 10 years from them . Glad the mk7 and the new models are not Hanpin OEM
The amp, speakers and cartridge help though ;)
I wonder if they’re also working on a new version of the 1200G, not that I can think of anything that needs to be improved.
Im about to buy a 1210 g, so I`m curious about this too. Would be a shame to fork out a lot of money and a month later a new version comes out
I run vintage DD tables (a Pioneer from the 70s and a Denon from the 80s). Belt drive tables are a PITA to me. Not that they are all bad, there are great ones out there, they are just more cumbersome. Of course, I am also rather limited in what carts I can use not due to weight, but due to VTA because VTA is not adjustable on my tables. It is set, so for example I can't use a cart set at 23 degrees VTA as my tonearms are set at 20 degrees VTA. (I could possibly do so with shims, but that is another $300 at least and is for professionals. I know how to set up turntables thanks in part to Michael Fremer and have set up my own tables, but I would not in any way consider myself a professional). While my tables are not as adjustable as today's tables (and I can't even use Wally Tools on them, just not compatible. I do have custom protractors for them though at least), the one thing they do have going for me is that they are built like tanks almost. I could throw rocks at them and they wouldn't care. (I don't recommend doing that though).
I was always wondering how I would replace my tables if anything happened. The Technics tables of old were awful in regards to speed control, etc.
This new table is NOT the tables of old. I'm not a fan of the DJ table look, but I can live with it for the functionality of this table. Only a few years ago I would have to pay around $10,000 for a direct drive table. While $2200 is expensive to us normal people, but in today's money $2200 for this table is quite good! If I had to replace my tables today, this would be it. I may even try to save up now (would take at least 5 years at this point) and replace my current tables just for kicks if nothing else.
All Technics turntables are now made in Malaysia ?
It also debuts a new price tag.
My question on turntables. If you were useing the same cartridge would you notice a difference between a Fluance Rt85 and this new Technics would you actually notice a difference?
Manythnx Michael
I really would consider getting one of these IF it had a removable tonearm board instead of that tonearm. I would put a Wand on this table and be very very happy. When will Technics understand most people want to upgrade the tonearm?
There is really no need. That's been a myth for years. The technics arm is outstanding especially on the G models
according to US CPI inflation calculator, these would be ~$1000 decks in 1993. more expensive than I recall paying for my grey-market SL1200mk2s around the time, but it does seem like the drive technology has improved.
Every electromoter has improved, this one is not special. Better magnets, better electronics, just normal evolution of the moter design, of the shelve.
Cogging was never a real problem in the older units, as it was so low, that it was never audible, even though the belt drive fanatics, claimed it was a real issue.
A delta sigma modulator is a $0.50 part. It is so common it is in every capacitive button on the planet, every touch screen, most audio DACs. So there is nothing keeping them from putting it in a $200 turntable.
Technics the best ❤❤
I have found that the lowest torque setting on the GR model provides a smoother, deeper presentation, whereas the higher torque settings are more "shouty", if that makes sense. Lower torque for more "grace". Low torque vs high torque has always sounded similar to MC vs MM carts, with the former having more natural extension and the latter having more punch.
Where I'm curious here, is will there be a way to do part swaps on a GR to get the noise reduction improvements from the GR2 without having to change out the entire deck? Swapping control boards is a lot less tiresome to me than having to completely switch turntables.
Is this going to trickle UP to the SL-1000R, or doesn't it need it?
Nice interview. Nice turntable too. However, what I desire is something this good and similarly priced, but prettier. It is, after all, the topmost component and a focal point of many systems. I'm struggling to find both qualities in one unit.
Want! I sold my pair of SL1200 MK2s back in 2019 and I got double what I had paid for them originally but still regret selling. Maybe I'll snag a pair of these babies?!
The intro song is great! It sounds like The Crusaders.
Really want to know the album played. Perfect to start a day!
So moving to a cheap switched power supply is now marketed as better than a transformer, and that and the digital-controlled motor have some magical capability to reduce rumble?
Say Michael, dose it still come with the plastic over hang gauge?
@ 16.17
Tnx I missed it
I felt it best to address this and a few other issues when I get one to review. Too many people think you can use only one alignment with a given tone arm. That's not true of course.
Yes this is true, but it does get you in the neighborhood.
Ive just bought this with the 2m black. Do i need a spacer between the cartridge? The manual says its 14mm in height, im confused
Isn't the end result more dependant upon the cartridge and RIAA preamp rather than the improved engineering precision as good as that might be?
The end result depends on all the ingredients
Can you give the name of the song played at the beginning of this video
Wow and didn’t know Technics invented the direct drive. I’ve always loved and had Technics TTS and just bought the SL-5 linear tt from like 1982 from eBay and love how great it’s built and made. I also have the Technics SL-1400 and it’s the smaller version of the SL-1200 and also built solid.
I’m glad Techincs are still making tts bc around 2002, the word was Technics was no longer making tts.
Also, Technics has a list of all their tts on the internet and good to view to see the model you have or want and when they came out. The reason most djs back in the days stuck with Technics 1200 was bc it was the best and reliable.
What’ the price on this new tt?
@@jacknjill3000 2000+ dollar
I find the claim of inventing direct drive fraudulent. Every electro motor out there that is directly attached to something is a direct drive. The term only has meaning as opposed to using a belt. There is nothing to invent on direct drive, it's just a mechanical description.
This thing while still good will be made in the cheapest Chinese factory they can find. Trading on brand recognition.
At least it's not one of those horrible plastic mechanisms you see everywhere these days.
@@djstuc explain? Are you sure you know what pedantic means?
@@djstuc you think direct drive on a turntable qualifies as an invention? Talking about obvious applications.
I'm not pedantic, the guy in the video literally says they invented direct drive. Invented the act of coupling a motor to an object to turn. What an invention that is. A lot of braincells must have been used on that. Everybody thought of that, it just took some time before moters that turned silently enough came available for everyone to use. There is no invention here at all. Just a variant of apple claiming to have invented square tablets.
This is a direct drive /fully automatic?
Can i get it with low capacitance tone arm wires so i can play CD4 Quadraphonic LP's?
Switched off as soon as he said Techniques. It's Technics. Thank you.
He’s correctly pronouncing it. It’s correctly pronounced “Techneeks”. He’s worked for the company for many years so you can be sure he’s careful about correctly pronouncing it. But since you’ve stopped watching you’ll never learn of your mistake.
Japlish.
@@trackingangle929 Imagine having worked for a company for years and always pronouncing the name like your an uneducated hick or sth lmao
Is Technics aware that in a high number of 1200s, GR model but also G model, the platter is unbalanced and has a wobble effect? If the answer is yes, has Technics done anything to prevent it?
this was addressed 3 years ago and they improved it on Mk7 /GR including the pitch dead control spot.
@@rustypipe It appears to me that the defect also occurred on 1200 (and 1500) purchased recently: I am an Italian audiophile and on the main discussion forum, it is possible to find at least two threads, recently opened, that talk about it; without mentioning the recent videos on RUclips which provide a visual testimony of the wobble effect. Anyway, thanks!
the oscillation has always been there even on mk2 or mk5 or m5g there is a tolerance! obviously there were models in which the platter oscillated too much and there was a problem there... but essentially all 1200s have a platter oscillation
I wonder how the sound would differ if a SL-Q2 would be the turntable used.......
Never thought of upgrading my sl1210 mk2 but ill book a demo and see if it can out perform my techy you better put a good cartridge on i use a audio technica at33 pgt11 on mine and it sings
Have a 1210 mk2 too with a Oc9xml on it and it sounds fantastic, I might do the same of course Id have to find a place where theyd let me switch my mk2 in and out. I also have a silicone tonearm damper on mine which also improves the sound so it would be tricky to get a direct comparison. Also the 12GR2 is available for preorder on Richer Sounds at STG1799, which is Euro 2070, the 12GR is currently Euro 1399, so €671 price difference as of todays exchange rate (I'm in Ireland). I wonder will the sound improvement justify that.
@@andymill32 not tried a damper on mine is it a good upgrade?
@michaelvincent8306 Yes absolutely especially with higher compliance carts like the oc9xml
Audio Technica tried to clone the SL 1200 but there is no comparison with Technics, I have had many different direct drive turntables in the past but Technics is the only one that has a quiet platter.
I have an SP10 Mk2 and an SL-1210 M3D plus a pair of SL-1210mk2 😁
Hi, thanks for the video. Technics has repeatedly claimed that the GR is not suitable for dj'ing. What about GR2?
the GR was also for DJs but then due to the price being too high they had to create mk7 to be competitive with other brands of turntables such as pioneer reloop
@@marcoanfuso9492 Sorry for contraddicting you, but this is far from the case. There are plenty of YT videos and web articles showing the reasons why the GR is not suitable for Djing: instable speed, strong torque, jumpy feet, ...
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Does the U.S. version of the GR2 come with a Universal AC Input? 100-240VAC 50/60Hz?
So, why does the speed control need to be offset from the zero position-???
I hope Technics makes Cartridges again..
Can I ask the spokesman, my old 1200 top plastic dust cover case pivot at the back that allows me to lift it is broke at the plastic piece (not the metal). How do I fix?
google U1 SFUMM02N04
I'm not shure yet but I have to confirm if I prefer LED Vs Incadecent Pop Up Target Light but it seems that the LED gives off more glare and makes the grooves less visible. Again, I have to confirm this.
Where is the best place to order one of these can anyone recommend a good place. I'm in Los Angeles.
My 1600mk2 will outlast me. 😊😊😊
Whats with the Lift? Is it improved?
is this made in Japan? what amplifier/ speakers do you recommend to work best with this turntable. thanks
Since april 2021 ALL technics products are made in malaysia.
Are the GR2s made in Japan? My GR is made in Malaysia.
The early ones were Japan. I didn't realise they had moved to Malaysia
All technics were produced in Malaysia from April 2021 , the MK7 has always been produced in Malaysia since its launch, made in Japan models will always be more desirable.
Where is it manufactured ? The first batches of GR where made in Japan. Also hope you fixed the issues with the arm lift . It is technologically superior to SL 1200 mkii, perhaps with audibly better sound, but if you out side to side the mkii and the GR the second looks cheaper construction.. Mkii has better lift mechanism, dual layer damping inside, better thicker plexiglass, nicer buttons, more metal parts ect.
In my extensive tests I'd also argue that the mk2 sounds better than the GR.
The base of the tonearm is plastic on the GR and aluminium on the mk2 making the whole arm base more solid and less resonant
@@paulwheatley141 I would say the opposite, for me GR sounded better , however it is brand new and mkii is from 98’ . So it is difficult to make correct comparison. Definitely the GR has more plastic parts, for example the arm lift mechanism, or the light bulb which is a toy compared to mkii. And G and GAE have the same bulb, so it is not the case of the “cheaper” model.
@tnarch I think "better" is subjective.
To my ears the mk2 had a more extended and "airy" treble than the GR which sounded a bit rounded off in the higher frequency.
Sound stage was much of a muchness but it was the overall feel of the GR after the mk2 which was so disappointing. I think the fact that people will still pay upwards of £1800 for a mk2 says everything about the comparison.
I did have a barely used 2007 mk2 with the KAB fluid damper but I compared like for like with the damper for the GR also.
The G has a bigger fuller and heavier sound than the mk2.
I would say GR, Mk2 then G in that order for build and Sound quality.
@@paulwheatley141 the base is not made of plastic but of aluminum. I have two and I assure you that it is not plastic
@@tnarchthe lever that raises the arm is identical to a mk2...plastic parts are the same as the mk5...don't go wrong with mk7
I just bought one and I can’t get platter on, the screws are too short helpppppppppp
It has hinges!!!! for the cover. Wonder how the Isolation is compared to the MK7
The mk7 are cheaply made compared to the G and the GR. There's a weight difference GR2 being heavier so the isolation and different type of power supply will ensure superior isolation.
Does the platter wobble just like the GR MK1?