Rise of the Achaeans and Conquest of Crete (1450 BC)
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- Опубликовано: 22 янв 2021
- Episode 3 of WanaxTV's animated documentary series on the Mycenaean Greece. Rise of the Achaeans continues as they establish hegemony throughout the Greek mainland and eventually put an end to the Minoan Civilization of Crete.
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The fact that the Minoans had minimal to no defensive fortifications around their cities (before the eruption) really highlights their naval supremacy and it’s importance to their safety. The Minoans (unlike the Mycenians) seldom depicted war/solders/weapons in their material culture, which probably means they weren’t as advanced militarily since it wasn’t a priority like it was to the Mycenians. When you add this to the lack of defensive fortifications, it’s clear that the Minoans were very susceptible to any invading army that could reach Crete. The tsunami created by the volcanic eruption would have wiped out the vast majority of their navy (which was their saving grace up to that point) and made them sitting ducks to the mycenaeans.
Good thing the Minoans fell to Mycenaeans, otherwise we all will be speaking Minoan…🤔
They should’ve had guns smh 😒 stupid idiots
Yes, but my point is, if you analyze the legends, there is not much time between Minos and the fall of Troy:
When Paris visits Sparta, Menalaus is called away to Crete, as King Catreus has died; Catreus is the son of Minos...Minos can not be of the old order...
Now, certainly, sometimes, monarchs only rule a few years, and sometimes, the endure for decades (look at England with Queen Elisabeth & Charles: she ascended in thr 1950:s and lasted over 60 years; Charles is not going to last nearly that long! But, sometimes, a male monarch has fathered a son at an advanced age, and so they coronate someone very young (even under 20), who can survive for 60 more years, if they have the skills, and 'the weather holds'!
So it still a little hard to gauge the duration of the combined reigns of Minos and Catreus: Minos is famous for drawing the Tribute of youths from Athens: this happened AFTER the death of his son, after having traveled to Athens for 'the games' (held quadrannually)...and perished in some incident* following his successes there. *( That's another story...)
But Minos held the Athenian king (this was well before the 'democracy') responsible, and sallied forth: the negotiated resolution was 'the Tribute of the Teens', and, presumably, they were surrendered, and accompanied Minos on his return to Crete; HOWEVER, while it is a little unclear whether this was to ne repeated every 7 years, or 9, it is a little more clear that Theseus 'stowed away' with only the 3rd tribute, so, the duration of this 'practice' is likely between 14 and 19 years, so, we know the duration of Minos' reign was fairly significant, although it's the length of Catreus' reign that is, perhaps, a bit more pertinent...and then Iodomonius ends up joining the Achean campaign against the Troians, with 20 ships.
But the point is that there is no indication that there is ANY sort of regime change in Crete in this period:
The transition to 'Mycenaean' style society has already occured; Evans screwed up, in a huge way, and Minos was NOT 'Minoan'!
Minos is NOT
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Very interesting, combining history with mythology
Thanks for stepping by! Yes, in the absence of (undeciphered) written records it is difficult to determine the exact people responsible for some of these undertakings. Hopefully if the Linear A gets decoded one day, we will have better insight on how exactly the things went down.
Your videos are amazing , keep up the good work man ! Not many people cover mycenean history , so it's great that you choose to share such unique knowledge.
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Euboea island was dominated by Abantes during the late Bronze Age. This tribe initially hailed from Abai, a town founded by King Abas as mentioned on the video. So perhaps Euboea is included in the areas of Greece, which King Abas "mycenized" - at least indirectly.
Just, great history, thank you
In your narration at around 13:40, you mistakenly identified Eastern Crete as "Western Crete". Please correct. Thank you for this fine series.
Great content! I'm really hoping linear A will be deciphered in my lifetime, I bet they had some awesome mythology
14:15 explains the Melian Dialogue. Minoans were unfortunately not concerned enough about keeping the peace...by having a formidable military; and it cost them.
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The timing of the big eruption of Thera is debated, but a scientific consensus is building around a date more like 1,600 to 1,650 BCE. The date you use here, 1,450 BCE is now known to be much too late, that date was was based on less reliable dating techniques and assumptions. Historians prefer later dates like 1,450 because they really want the eruption to be “the cause of the Bronze Age Collapse”, but we geologists and archaeologists prefer to rely on the scientific dating results, rather than trying to make it fit historical assumptions. It may have been a contributing cause of the BAC, but if so, it wasn’t an immediate one, it took at least 400 years. It likely disrupted trade in the Eastern Med for a very long time, in addition to immediate effects like population displacement and crop failures.
I read that anycase the Minoan "national" identity don't disappeared, and that they continued to live in Crete as an underclass, (somewhat like in our colonies a few decades ago the indigenous, a second class citizens maybe), and that even until 1100 1000 bc when the dorians arrived on the islands, they found a mycenaean elite ruling over a Minoan underclass, some of these comunities was pushed off in higher places such plateau, and mountains, ever on more inaccessible places like in karfi, where the mycenaean and Minoan refugees continued to live for many years isolated and trying to stay away from the newcomers, eventually they evolved in the eteocretans, that survived until the Roman campaigns against piracy in Crete when they disappeared.
The mycenaean kings were really tyrrant!
King Abas was a successful conqueror, and was the founder of the city of Abae in northeastern Phocis, home to the legendary oracular temple to Apollo Abaeus.
That's explain the knowledge of the oracle of Delphi to indicate the route for new colonies during the classic period.
Delphi ,the geopolitical center of antiquity.
Minuan/minoan= the blooming in the water or grown up all around with water
We have epic rhapsody of the Trojan War, and of Odysseus’ journey home.
Why on earth do we have no rhapsodic Mycenaean epic about this most epic of periods, the catastrophic volcanic explosion and conquest of a major regional power?
You might have made a mishap in your research there. Hagia Triada menans Holy Trinity, not a likely name for a bronze age settlement.
You’re right, Hagia Triada was not the original name of the settlement. However, as the original Minoan name is still unknown, most scholars use Hagia Triada in reference to the Minoan palace.
@@WanaxTV That makes sense, cool!
I wonder if the Minoans were completely wiped out, became slaves, or driven out. I wonder if the Minoan women were taken as wives. I think the Mycenians had some steppe ancestory, and the Minoans were almost all Anatolian Farmer ancestory.
Hagia Triada was a proto-Greek name?
No, it's a modern name meaning "Holy Trinity". There is very old church on the site that it takes its name from.
One of the five peoples or nations of Creta was Pellasgians. The oldest were the Hetaeocretans and others were The Acheans , The Dorians ,The Kydonites And The Mi nuans
thank you!
Anadolli/ anatoli=the side wich it comes up (the sun)
Theba/teba= the manufactured ones( Kadmios took the teeth of the dragon he slow and put them in the ground and later fierce soldiers came out of them. Athina told Kadmios this secret.
Miletos= its above the clouds
Some say "Dontcha know?" others say "know what I mean?"
Minoans said "Knossis?"
You fool everyone knows Theseus defeated the minotaur and ended Minoan hegemony
Either way (whether you use these new dates or the previously accepted dates) it's fairly clear that Minos was actually a Mycenaean!
Publish that detail.
@@gurnblanston5000 I kind of just did...
Or are you saying I should write a paper and submit it to a bunch of history journals so they can check my math?
@@TheScandoman Not at all...I am a doubting Thomas by birth with things that don't make sense and the history of the world to the food pyramid have been...incorrect at least. I always wondered what came before, in most every situation. Could have been societies between the ice ages, but it's great to ponder and search these things out when possible. Seems like many people's came from central asia...whites, native Americans, Chinese...lots of resources were there, maybe still are, I don't know.
@@gurnblanston5000 Ok, well, certainly, we havve pretty reliable documnted, organized monarchy in Egypt a good 1000 years earlier than this, amd as well as in Mesopotamia, and we know people were well established in the Aegean much earlier, it's just that THEY don't seem to have writing things down...
So when Thera blew up in the middle of the Aegean, noone could write much down about it...certainly other cities/towns were destroyed, and people killed, but who knows where...and there were many places that were higher, and screened from tge direct tsunami waves, where losses wouldn't have been that significant, but, these peoples would have been left vulnerable to aggressors from other, more distant parts of the region, who eventually showed up, and took over.
The strory of Theseus killing the Minotaur, comes AFTER the story of Jason and the Argonaits; which included Heracles; and then, only 2-3 generations later, the descendants of Heracles are picking up the pieces after the Troian campaign: that just doesn't leave any real time for a Mycenaean takeover in Crete in between...That had to have come sooner, as the whole 'give us people to sacrifice to the Minotaur' is exactly the sort of punitive measure you would expect those, more agressive people, to impose on their defeated foes, much more than what we can tell from the older things in Crete.
Remember, Pelops had a LOT of sons, so Agamemnon and Menalaus had a LOT of uncles and cousins also busy running around causing mischief...very busy.
@@TheScandoman And Perseus came before Jason? Supposedly Persians (Farsi) were named from Perseus, but don't know what that story is. We're Cronus and Ouranos worshipped like Zeus, but farther back in time, or were they more like a back story? Were these Mycenean gods or Pelasgians gods? Did they use the word God or something else, as God and guard seem to have a history to me? Sorry for all the questions, deep history is very interesting.
Knossos= I recognise what I see
Gurnia= the stoney source of water
Phaestos= less is more or eat but put more
Malia= kept high
< " earthquake " >
Aerichtonios=raised by us
Plato said Athens destroyed Crete aka Atlantis
No it didn't what the hell crete and cretans were always there during the classical age
Yes you're right,many people just kind of stubborn, Plato or aristokles and Aristoteles clearly said Atlantis located near Pilar of Hercules,which is around Mauretania, that meaning,Atlantis just like Carthage at very ancient time, and same with Carthage,finally collapse@@gurnblanston5000
All your facts are from mythology not from historical sources. They left no written history.
None of these mythical figures you mention are real, and this again glosses over the complexity of the evidence.
You don't know that
@@pindanetel riiight. OK. Well let me rephrase. No serious expert on the field really believes these people are real.
@@charlessturge4911I enjoy this channel, but yes he doesn't differentiate between myth and history.