@@PaultheSimRacer It's great if you still use a low res HMD like your CV1 but I suspect if you try that again using a modern higher res HMD like the Q2 or G2 you'll see the same results as when you went 4k... the 3080 bottlenecking at high res, which is really disappointing for Nvidia flagship gaming card.
@@hansmustermann3881 that sucks man. I have a Red Devil 5700XT I bought before the shit hit the fan. I want a EVGA 3080 but they're upto $2500 US Dollars right now. Absolutely insane. What GPU you using now?
Thanks for putting this up! I've been searching for the last couple of hours to try and find someone that shows the difference made in VR with a processor upgrade. I've been hesitant to upgrade from my 2700x since I primarily play games in 4k. I went ahead and ordered a 5800x after finding this; I now feel much more confident that it will make a difference in my VR gaming, primarily sim racing. I wish more people posted VR content with different hardware iterations.
I'm thinking the same, from 2700X to 5900X I have a quest 2 and a RTX 3080 TI. What headset and graphics card do you have, did the upgrade to 5800X made a difference? Thanks
@@vfragos yep, I've installed the 5800x. I run both the Q2 & G2 with a 2080ti. I've seen some improvement with the Q2 in games such as Rally 2.0, but I wouldn't call it drastic. It is noticeable though. The G2 has been a little harder to tell a difference with, but there are a few games it's noticeable in. I'd say the 2700X is still a good CPU for the majority of modern games, including VR. That being said, I'm happy I went ahead & upgraded. It gives me more headroom to tinker with settings. With u having a 3080ti, my opinion would be go ahead with the upgrade when u can. Why take any chances of limiting what it can do.
At lower resolution you aren’t taxing the GPU so it highlights the CPU being able to pump out frames. Higher resolutions such as 4K you become GPU bound and the CPU doesn’t have to do as much work. Except in iceRacing which is so badly optimized for multi core and so dependent on just a single core but being a game engine from 2008 that’s expected. Great gains from on these 5xxx chips. Hopefully in January I can swap one in for my 3900X.
What this test shows nicely is how sims are different to most of regular gaming. Sims are very single-thread oriented, just like most games, but compared to regular games, sims also need a lot of that CPU power to run well, while normal games don't really need that much (most of the time). So if replace a CPU that has OK-ish single-threaded performance and good multithreaded performance with a CPU that has excellent single-threaded performance and OK-ish multithreaded performance, you'll see a noticeable improvement in most sims (if your GPU is up to the task), because you've improved what matters most to the sim, the single-core performance. On the other hand, you'll see less of an impact in regular games, because they already were not as CPU-limited in the first place, so didn't really need even more single-threaded CPU power, because most of the time, you will likely be GPU limited, even with a 3090 (and doubly so in 4k, as you've discovered yourself ;) ) So when gamers tell you that you need the best GPU possible for gaming and CPU is not really that important as long as it manages to do the job, it doesn't apply to simracing well. In simracing, you want the best CPU (with the best single-threaded performance you can get), and then match the GPU to your needs (based on your target resolution, detail levels and framerate). And you can also pretty much ignore any CPU beyond 6 cores/threads if you're looking for a way to save some money. Sims will currently not take advantage of more than that, and with the exception of ACC and AMS2 (for which those 6 cores/threads is plenty, as long as the single-threaded performance holds), all of them run on 1-2 threads, really, and will never utilize more.
great video, very interesting. On iRacing, when you change the resolution, i think you need to close the simulator and opens again to work, maybe thats why the fps don´t change. On VR it´s clear the benefits
I just got a Reverb G2 and have a 3700x with a 2070S, I’ve been on the hunt for a 3080 since they came out and was considering a 5800x, but wasn’t sure the performance would be enough better to bother, this convinced me for sure I need the new chip, thanks for this!
Best. Video. For VR Simracers. This is exactly what I NEEDED to see. Thank you! Would you consider doing an update if/when you upgrade your CPU next? Would love to see the 5800X3D, 7700X or Intel 13700K doing their thing for us simracers in VR! 🤩
brilliant video. I race on iracing on a Rift CV1 on a 3700x and was wondering if there was benefit in upgrading to new AMD 5000 series - you just answered that question. Thanks!
I was in the exact same boat, I hate stutters in VR and especially hate watching the FPS drop on the nurburgring in 4 hour VLN races - 5600x (and above) seem to solve that over the 3700x.
Are you keeping an eye on Reverb G2? I know I am! I'm on a 5700XT GPU and was thinking with iracing is it the GPU or CPU which would maybe be an issue with the Reverb G2 higher resolution...probably both!
Thanks for this video. I'm in to vr and got a 2080ti and was thinking it is my CPU that's slowing the frames down. Now you've proved it. Thanks again 👍🏁
My 4790k is showing its age in ACC VR... multiple frame drops to sub 60fps on a reverb G2 even though I've paired it with a 3080. Thanks for the video, really gave me insight onto how much difference it'd make if I hypothetically upgraded to a 5600x. Going to hold out until DDR5 ram shows up though
Thanks for this, any chance you could do a VR performance on AC, and Project Cars and other VR games? Dirt Rally 2.0 etc. With the older games maybe even add in supersampling of say 200% and show the impact
Watched this and upgraded to 5600x from 3600. Thanks for the tip! Was massively bottlenecking my 2080 super. Now just need to find a 3080! Prob 15 fps gain over 3600 in VR.
@@DeejayJeanP yeah. Do a lot of AC. Problem is AC is almost any AMD processor struggles in VR when you have a large field (12+). I find Steam VR has to do motion smoothing for me most of the time
I have a Ryzen 3600 and RTX 3080. I'm having exactly the same issue as you in ACC where it just can't go up to 90fps with a lot of visible cars. And then I realised that I have a similar issue in Dirt Rally 2.0. So this test was really useful and proved that the 5600X is a game changer for AMD + VR. Thanks!
OK, this is crazy. 1 week after I saw this video there was a 5800X on sale so I updated my 3600X. And the damn frametime (same settings, still 2070S, Reverb1) at the Nürburgring Pit went from 16 to 8.5. I never had constant 90fps at the Nürburgring in VR. Now I have. Thanks for the video man.
The reason you are not seeing gains in 4K in for example Forza Horizon & Watchdogs Legion, is probably because the GPU is the limiting factor there (its also seen to be at 90+ most of the time in the top right). Could even simply be a Vram issues, where the GPU would have something left otherwise.. since the 3080 with its 10GB is a bit limited on that. Great video! Would love to see a 6800(XT) vs 3080 comparison if you could get one! Currently on a 5700XT which is somewhat struggling with ACC on triple 1080p because AMD underperforms a bit in ACC. Hope they fix that with the new GPUs :) Thanks! edit: Just saw you noticed the GPU at 99% in a later stage :) edit2: That outro music gave me massive BEST OF DASHCAM nostalgia haha
Yeah I noticed the GPU % after recording the video, I'm actually glad that it's GPU limited and not CPU limited! Perhaps I should sell my RTX 3080 and get a better GPU as you say :D
@@PaultheSimRacer Yeah exactly! GPU limits are also easier to compensate for with tweaking the settings a bit. CPU load is usually pretty much fixed for a certain game. That is also why iRacing has so much to gain I think :)
Hey, could you please test with AC and RF2 with as many AI opponents as possible? AI and poorly optimized track mods are what most affect CPU performance.
that uplift in iracing alone is worth it, especially when you're trying to get that locked 90 in vr. Keep the 5600x untill the 5900x is a bit cheaper, there should be non-x cpu's coming out next year as well.
@@PaultheSimRacer you should try using a pbo offset and pairing some tuned dual rank ram. unboxed hardware recently done a video about the ram benefits.
At 4K or high-res your GPU will almost always be the bottleneck, which brings faster and slower CPUs somewhat ''closer'' in comparison to 1080p or even 1440p, where an upgraded CPU will generally make more of a difference. It can still make a big difference in 4K, but only if the CPU isn't fast enough to supply the GPU with what it needs so to say. Or when you turn down all the settings to lowest in 4K, you might also notice more of a difference. EDIT: My bad man, you addressed this in the green subtitle at the end - I was only listening to the video before.
@@PaultheSimRacer Sort of, more a result of a design decision when everyone thought 7GHz was going to be a thing in the not too distant future, though computing went parallel cores instead. iRacing still uses DX11 and has a CPU bottleneck at all but the most extreme resolutions. The work to get it to use a 8c or 16c processor is apparently a lot, even though the engine has been updated a fair bit over the last decade.
@@RobBCactive It's a thing but not that much of a thing. Many complain in the Hardware forum that we use CPUz as a test for how good CPU's are for iRacing. Turns out it's one of the more accurate comparisons vs other games which use much newer technology to spread the load on a CPU.
Hey, the uplift is huge. But keep in mind, since the CV1 only has (I think) only 2160×1200 in total this is way lower than WQHD on a monitor. So if you are getting a VIVE or Reverb G2 the impact on the CPU will be much lower :-) So it depends on which headset and resolution you are :)
I think you are misunderstanding something. When your CPU is limited to something like 60 fps, like the 3700x in parts of this video, thats a hard limit. It doesnt matter whether you have a CV1 or a Reverb G2, it doesnt matter wether you have a 1050ti or a RTX 3090 - you wont get more than 60 fps no matter what. When people say that the CPU matters less at high resolutions, what they really mean is that it matters less at lower framerates - when you are playing the newest AAA-titles at 4k ultra your graphics card cant hit more than 60 fps anyways, so that CPU limit of 60 fps is kind of irrelevant. When youre playing VR however, you always want to hit a stable 90 fps, so you are very much CPU limited no matter the resolution.
@@Steve-vp8ng You are right to a certain degree, but how do we know how the 3000 series handles at higher resolutions? The results just look like CPU bound at CV1 res. You can also compare newer titels at 4k. More or less the same FPS on 3000er and 5000er series. But of course there are execptions :-)
@@carroux4050 The CPU does not care about resolution. Paired with a powerful enough graphics card, it will produce the exact same framerate at 1080p and 4k. What happens with modern 4k titles is that the graphics card is not even powerful enough to match the 3000 series CPU's maximum framerate, so any additional performance from the 5000 series goes completely unused.
Hi Simon, thanks for this comparison ... coming from 3700x, 1080ti, iracing, VR this was very eye opening, especially when you turned up visible cars to the max - and there in comparison to the old cpu even with shadows - normaly more cpu demanding ... maybe this has already been mentioned: fixed weather would have been nice ... although: "visible cars to the max" left no doubt ... many thanks for your work!!! regards, xof
i just installed mine. i bumped up all of the graphics in iRacing VR and maxed out the sliders which gave me 45fps, but strangely its stable at 45 and it doesn't lag or look bad. completely playable. not sure if I'm just looking past the flaws, but on my 6600k, if it dropped below 90 at all, I got lots of stutters and jitters and it wasn't playable
You can play fine at 45fps as long as it’s smooth, if you are using v sync and frames drop below your monitor refresh rate you will get stuttering, or if you don’t have enough memory either video or system, then you will get stuttering, but frames will show as the same. People don’t realise this and get consumed in hype when they could get better performance by simply optimising their existing system.
Much better to have real world comparisons than just % differences, especially with VR where 91 FPS is much better than 89. Thanks! What memory do you have btw? (CL 14?)
Your conclusion about it being about cores is totally nonsense when u did not see the perf increase in Forza and watchdogs. If the game is gpu bound there is little the cpu can do, just like in the text you wrote about the gpu being loaded to 99%. But to be honest the difference in vr especially in Iracing is almost too high, are you sure the system when it was running the 3700x was running the ram at 3200 and not at say 2133mhz or something like that which usually is stock settings for mobo bios?
Thanks for the this review. I upgraded the 2070super with a 3080... but still not happy with the performance in vr. So I will now upgrade the 3600 with a 5600x
@XanderRnG performance is much better, especially at starts of races. But still a bit bottleneck. I'm thinking upgrading yo 5800x3d (3d part is apparently making a huge difference in gaming)
@@SerialDriver So many people are telling that. Im on a b450 Motherboard and a H212 Evo Cooler. Just thought about cooling. Guess a 3dx is out of reach for me, unless i go for new cooling. Im now looking for the 5700x since power draw is also less with almost same performance as the 5800x
Even if that Vid is 2 Years old i gained a lot of info. Didnt know VR was that singlecore relevant. I'm now on a R5 3600 and thinking about upgrading to a 5800x. Now that ive seen the vid, i think its the move to make.
I'm using a Ryzen 3600, didn't think the step up to 5600 is that huge, it looks like it would help VR significantly. I'm going to wait for the new socket and new generation though, 500 series motherboards has been posing issues and the Ryzen 5000 chips are always out of stock. UPDATE Jun 13, 2021- my motherboard died and seemed to have taken the CPU with it, so I'm getting a 5600X after all. Hope it lasts me thorughout to at least second gen of new socket years down the road.
Just grabbed one an prime day for $175! I only really play iracing so this is the cheapest upgrade over my 3700x giving the max performance increase for my old 1080ti system.
just got my hp reverb g2 and love it compared to my Rift s. just need a 5900x , cannot get one at all. currently on 2700x i was able to run my hp g2 with better picture amd higher frame rate than my rift s . increased my acc settings and was getting 20fps than rift s
The sudden frame drop to 60 on Brands Hatch seem to be an issue with the current NVidia driver. It's the same for all models, not just the 30 series. As you can't revert to a former working version, for 30 series owners, it's resolved soon hopefully, but not limited to Ampere architecture luckily. :)
15:50 The higher the resolution, the more it gets GPU bound. You do have a much better 1% low and 0.1% low on the 5000-series so less stutters But Iam curious about the sneaky screenshot of a different configuraton on 16:40
Picked up a 5600x myself after watching your video but notice that even when GPU isn't under 100% load I am still dropping fps to sometimes as low as 50 in Iracing. You've had your CPU a while longer, are you holding 90fps all the time in Iracing or do you still experience frame drops every once in a while?
@@PaultheSimRacer Hopefully Zen4 improvements will allow us VR racers to use the cockpit mirrors, at least until iRacing moves to a new API that can take advantage of more CPU cores in a fully multithreaded environment, which will also benefit the GPU. Might be dead before that happens if IPC gains keep going up, which will not incentivize iRacing to change anything. That being said, what they can do with a couple of cores is amazing.
Ok, Brits, we need to get on the same page here. You have to say "fifty-six hundred" or "thirty-six hundred" with titles like this. "Five thousand six hundred" just does not sound right. LOL! Fantastic review, BTW! Definitely a like and sub from me.
@@angryginger791 fuck him I found it funny... I have same problem with the US way lol , working out in real time what "fifty-six hundred" is seems to turn me into a retard for a few seconds lol..
how about you put AA off and use TXAA alone. you are using basically both settings that are meant to give the same result, altough TXAA is much less demanding then AA. And you won't notice it ingame. but your FPS will get a big boost when disabling AA
Great vid, would of been good to see cpu utilisation and not just frame rate. I’ve got a 9700k at 5.1ghz all cores but actually wondering if I should now get a 5600x just for gaming 🤔
5600x is definitely faster, but if you're happy with the 9700k I'd stick to it. Since Am4 is now a dead platform. 4th gen Ryzen will almost certainly be on Am5 socket. So you don't have a future upgrade path. Also, you could wait until q1 2021 for the non-X 5600, which will probably have performance within 5% after overclocking for significantly cheaper
I'm the opposite haha. I have a 6800XT and a 3600x. Thinking of getting a 5600x or 5800, but dunno if this video translates to normal AC as well. I play at 4K, so other than for VR, it'll be useless to me.
im looking at getting it but i am going possibly with a 5900x as i prefer a 9 series chips but that;s me. i just got my pc built a year ago u can say with the 3900xt but in vr it's not as great as i first thought seen how good the 5600xt in iracing vr as that the only way i can race in VR changed how i enjoy sim racing. im like you i am thinking the 5600 right now based on price point
Great stuff! new sub! I've got loads of questions; First, what's the mic you're using? Second, if I were to stream and broadcast an iRacing tournament, do you know how I can switch between cameras as it's live, create my own cameras (i.e; static shots) and have all the player overlays up at command? Thanks!
Hi Steve, welcome to the channel. Mic = Rode NT USB. I've got a video titled 'how I make my videos' which covers some of the overlay / external cam stuff - however it's a bit out of date compared to how I do things now. If you're only broadcasting, check out some broadcasting stuff e.g. SDK Gaming have a good one (think it's the one which powers Racespot), also JRT (Joel Real Timing) is a free alternative. Give me a shout if you have any other questions.
I'm on a 3700X, I play sims in VR (Quest with Link/VD) and I'm looking to get a 5600X for the very same reasons you outlined in your video. This was a perfect case-specific confirmation for me to pull the trigger. Frankly I'm surprised by how much difference the core performance makes so that the hexacore can hold up with the older octacore in Cinebench multicore tests. Now if AMD could just restock European vendors please?
@@MrRaduParmac Yes, absolutely. Not only do I get more stable FPS in VR in Automobilista 2, but a sim that is heavily CPU-limited such as RaceRoom can now actually be played in VR, whereas that was impossible before. It does not allow me to run ACC in VR, though... for that I'd need a 3090, lol
Thank you for the reply. I am currently experiencing quite some bad drops in iRacing with a 3080ti and a quest2. I guess I will go for a 5000 series cpu
@@Dim_mrq31 i went back then for a 5900x and there were significant improvements but still not sufficient. I haven't had time in recent months to bother with this issue as I mostly do the racing on a 49 ultrawide as it is stress free compared to VR
thank you for the review mate....but i think i will go for the 5900X or higher because i need more cores....reason being is that i do more then just the game in VR....there is discord, crewchief, my motion 3DOF rig and other things running in the background all taking up cpu usage so
Want a new hp g2 and anew card . wasn't expecting to get a new cpu. I just built this one my first after upgrading a prebuilt with a card . I got lucky and found a guy on the sim racing market place who was highly recommended and scored a i7 9700k sho cooler and a 2080 super hybrid all used for about a year but only paid 700 for all. Bought the rest new and got a nice machine . But im glad to see vr testing with sim racing. What is tbe hardest on a graphic card and cpu in vr?I got the Intel as I heard go for best overall single core performance and the i79700k is 3.6 to 5.0 .
also, re doing this test with a higher resolution headset like a reverb g2 would be great, as others have pointed out using a low resolution headset makes the cpu the bottleneck, high resolution makes the gpu the bottleneck.
Great video, i have a couple of questions. Were you using the same Epic VR settings for ACC that you used in the other 3080 benchmark video? What about supersampling?
I have 2 140mm front fans pulling air in, 1 120 mm fan at the back exhausting, 1 120mm fan at the top (at the back) exhausting. Then a Noctua NH-D15 on the CPU
I replaced my i9-10900KF and rtx 2080ti card for the new ryzen 9 5950X and the rx 6900xt. I mainly play Iracing in vr on the pimax 5k plus. The performance went way lower with the same game settings. Any idea how come this new system is way worse then my previous?
NEXT TIME DONT EVEN BOTHER WITH CINEBENCH ON THE LAST GRAPH.. MAKES THE RESULTS LOOK ODD and honestly no1 really cares about single and multi threaded for gaming benchmarks only care about what settings u using. what hardware.. and if u are running a overclock. and what temps u are hitting... but really great work.. but thats the only thing id change is make that graph correctly and u will be able to show people just the graph that way they can get the info needed and get the hell on with there day lol. great job subbed.
I'm curious, are you running 100% or any super sampling in game? I'm using a quest 2 at like 150% SS and my GPU is being worked. I can't imagine moving to a 5600 would make that big an impact over my 3600 could it?
well today i got the 5600x pulling out the 3900xt as from what i seen in this vid i think over all i will get a gain some what because the 5600 is better in single core even using i say 2080 so when i do some testing ill get back to u and the public on this. if i dont sell the 3900xt ill keep it for a pc to do my track building on
i would love to see the same test repeated in assetto corsa shutoko revival project onlline traffic servers. no gpu or cpu seems able to beat 45fps there. which is a shame. 90fps shutoko would be amazing. with all the player and ai traffic cars along with the huge map in a game that was never designed for it, very cpu and gpu intensive. hopefully a better cpu allows for higher framerates here.
The 5600x is good. Would the 5900x be worth the difference in price? I’m torn between the two upgrading from a 3600 on a 2070 Super & Valve Index. I primarily play MSFS and DCS. Thanks!
Hi mate. I watched a video of yours two months ago when you do benchmarks after installing a rtx3080 (your second attempt) and you show in vr it's literally locked at 90 in all race sims in epic settings. But this video is showing it drops a lot before you swapping to the 5000 series. Any ideas why it changed? Or have I missed something? Cheers
I think I was running different graphic settings for each unfortunately. It was not meant to be a back to back with the old vid - but only back to back with this new CPU :) if it was previously locked at 90 fps with the 3700x and I switched to the 5600x you wouldn't be able to see any gain. I think I was running Epic (not even VR epic ... but the max EPIC desktop settings) for the test.
@@PaultheSimRacer oh ok I think I get you. So in this video your are running full max settings in vr and getting no fps drop where as in the last video I mentioned if you was running max vr settings you reckon you would have seen a drop like in this video?
@@Qhimadi have a MSI Gaming X 6700XT.... in ACC I see about a 20-30fps increase instead of averaging around 70fps before I average around 95-105 now on my custom setting which is in-between high and epic. in iRacing with everything maxed out except sharpening. I have seen about a 50fps gain on the heavy tracks and about 70 or so on the others depending on car counts. in AMS2 I got over 180 on avg before hand.. have only tried a couple races since and am getting easily over 200 now. previous setup was the 3600 and a 1070ti..... I was just expecting a more substantial increase I guess vs the cost to upgrade.
@@robcampbell6099 I have a 3600 and a 6700XT and am debating a 5600x. Did you go from the 3600 & 1070ti to the 5600x & 6700xt? I can run ACC at 5760x1080 at nice settings currently so can’t decide if its worth it. iRacing performance is a mess on the new AMD 6X00 cards, there’s multiple threads on the forums about it, there’s tracks where I just can’t maintain a decent frame rate and VR performance is awful.
@@mikelshwede Yes went from a 3600 and 1070ti to the 5600x and 6700xt. getting 120-130fps in virtually epic settings in ACC on my 49" ultrawide. As for iracing not having any issues, last week's Tuesday(windows) update did cause an issue but then they(windows) released an updated driver 2 days later. on the heavy tracks like Long Beach, Hockenheim and Nurburgring GP. there are a couple spots on the track where it will dip down to 80-120fps depending on # of cars and class of car. but for the most part I see anywhere from 120-200fps depending on track, car size of field etc. I am running with virtually everything maxed out in iracing except clouds and crowd with mirrors off.
I have the i5 7600k with an RX 5700xt, 3 screens 1080p, multi projection, in some tracks in which iRacing has upgraded, the fps have dropped a lot, if I put a ryzen 5000 would I improve it? when I don’t use multiprojection the fps go up there, sorry English Google, I hope you understand
wow. 75fps o 90fps with the same settings and same gpu. nice. people keep telling me a cpu upgrade is pointless for vr, but in sim racing which is what i use vr for most, especially with lots of traffic/ ai/ cars etc. the cpu is important. i am getting a 5900x to upgrade from my 3700x. also a used 3080ti to upgrade from my 2070 super. then a reverb g2 is next on the list. the price has gone up since i bought one and had to return it due to it being faulty, and im not willing to pay more than i did then, so i will wait. if the price never goes down i will stick with my lenovo explorer until a new PCVR only headset enters the market, or an hp reverb g3 gets released. jeeze wouldnt that be nice! although i have heard rumours they are quitting the vr headset market, which would be a shame since they are the only real option for pcvr at the moment. and one of the best headsets out there. all they need to do is to invest in IR tracking instead of visible light then they will be unbeatable.
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Thats the content Im looking for. Great improvement with the 5600x in VR!
Yup, I was shocked by the lack of VR benchmarks for these chips - single core performance (with a good graphics card) is really important in VR!
@@PaultheSimRacer It's great if you still use a low res HMD like your CV1 but I suspect if you try that again using a modern higher res HMD like the Q2 or G2 you'll see the same results as when you went 4k... the 3080 bottlenecking at high res, which is really disappointing for Nvidia flagship gaming card.
@@KarlGosling is it true?
Him: ~60 fps at 4k and epic settings is not bad, it would be playable
Me: * cries in 30fps at 1080p on my ps4 *
Did you come over to the dark side yet and get a PC? VR sim racing on a wheel is the greatest thing in gaming mate.
@@easley421 Actually I've bought a PC, but i wasn't able to get my hands on a decend GPU yet😂
@@hansmustermann3881 that sucks man. I have a Red Devil 5700XT I bought before the shit hit the fan. I want a EVGA 3080 but they're upto $2500 US Dollars right now. Absolutely insane. What GPU you using now?
Thanks for putting this up! I've been searching for the last couple of hours to try and find someone that shows the difference made in VR with a processor upgrade. I've been hesitant to upgrade from my 2700x since I primarily play games in 4k. I went ahead and ordered a 5800x after finding this; I now feel much more confident that it will make a difference in my VR gaming, primarily sim racing. I wish more people posted VR content with different hardware iterations.
I'm thinking the same, from 2700X to 5900X I have a quest 2 and a RTX 3080 TI. What headset and graphics card do you have, did the upgrade to 5800X made a difference? Thanks
@@vfragos yep, I've installed the 5800x. I run both the Q2 & G2 with a 2080ti. I've seen some improvement with the Q2 in games such as Rally 2.0, but I wouldn't call it drastic. It is noticeable though. The G2 has been a little harder to tell a difference with, but there are a few games it's noticeable in. I'd say the 2700X is still a good CPU for the majority of modern games, including VR. That being said, I'm happy I went ahead & upgraded. It gives me more headroom to tinker with settings. With u having a 3080ti, my opinion would be go ahead with the upgrade when u can. Why take any chances of limiting what it can do.
In iRacing when you change anything in the graphics settings you have to restart the sim which is why you saw no difference between 1080p and 4K.
Yeah sorry about that.
@@PaultheSimRacer can you post the 4K performance for the 5600x at least? This will be useful
At lower resolution you aren’t taxing the GPU so it highlights the CPU being able to pump out frames. Higher resolutions such as 4K you become GPU bound and the CPU doesn’t have to do as much work. Except in iceRacing which is so badly optimized for multi core and so dependent on just a single core but being a game engine from 2008 that’s expected. Great gains from on these 5xxx chips. Hopefully in January I can swap one in for my 3900X.
Pls, in next time add Project Cars 2 in VR tests. Its my favorite game in VR Valve Index
this is amazing... thanks for putting the time into this, man!
Glad you enjoyed it!
What this test shows nicely is how sims are different to most of regular gaming. Sims are very single-thread oriented, just like most games, but compared to regular games, sims also need a lot of that CPU power to run well, while normal games don't really need that much (most of the time). So if replace a CPU that has OK-ish single-threaded performance and good multithreaded performance with a CPU that has excellent single-threaded performance and OK-ish multithreaded performance, you'll see a noticeable improvement in most sims (if your GPU is up to the task), because you've improved what matters most to the sim, the single-core performance. On the other hand, you'll see less of an impact in regular games, because they already were not as CPU-limited in the first place, so didn't really need even more single-threaded CPU power, because most of the time, you will likely be GPU limited, even with a 3090 (and doubly so in 4k, as you've discovered yourself ;) )
So when gamers tell you that you need the best GPU possible for gaming and CPU is not really that important as long as it manages to do the job, it doesn't apply to simracing well. In simracing, you want the best CPU (with the best single-threaded performance you can get), and then match the GPU to your needs (based on your target resolution, detail levels and framerate).
And you can also pretty much ignore any CPU beyond 6 cores/threads if you're looking for a way to save some money. Sims will currently not take advantage of more than that, and with the exception of ACC and AMS2 (for which those 6 cores/threads is plenty, as long as the single-threaded performance holds), all of them run on 1-2 threads, really, and will never utilize more.
great video, very interesting. On iRacing, when you change the resolution, i think you need to close the simulator and opens again to work, maybe thats why the fps don´t change. On VR it´s clear the benefits
I just got a Reverb G2 and have a 3700x with a 2070S, I’ve been on the hunt for a 3080 since they came out and was considering a 5800x, but wasn’t sure the performance would be enough better to bother, this convinced me for sure I need the new chip, thanks for this!
Best. Video. For VR Simracers. This is exactly what I NEEDED to see. Thank you!
Would you consider doing an update if/when you upgrade your CPU next? Would love to see the 5800X3D, 7700X or Intel 13700K doing their thing for us simracers in VR! 🤩
0:00 Introduction
1:10 My PC Specs
2:03 Bar Graph Comparison
2:54 Cinebench
4:33 ACC 1080p / 4k
6:53 ACC VR
8:25 iRacing 1080p / 4k
11:04 iRacing VR
14:49 Forza Horizon 4
16:10 Watch Dogs Legion
19:20 Conclusion
brilliant video. I race on iracing on a Rift CV1 on a 3700x and was wondering if there was benefit in upgrading to new AMD 5000 series - you just answered that question. Thanks!
I was in the exact same boat, I hate stutters in VR and especially hate watching the FPS drop on the nurburgring in 4 hour VLN races - 5600x (and above) seem to solve that over the 3700x.
Are you keeping an eye on Reverb G2? I know I am! I'm on a 5700XT GPU and was thinking with iracing is it the GPU or CPU which would maybe be an issue with the Reverb G2 higher resolution...probably both!
@@alleyoopsy Yeah seen the reviews - it looks great, although I worry the CPU / GPU's will struggle to match it :)
@@PaultheSimRacer q@I
For iRacing you need to restart the sim to have new resolution take effect. On the video you ran two test at 1080p
Thanks for this video. I'm in to vr and got a 2080ti and was thinking it is my CPU that's slowing the frames down.
Now you've proved it.
Thanks again 👍🏁
My 4790k is showing its age in ACC VR... multiple frame drops to sub 60fps on a reverb G2 even though I've paired it with a 3080. Thanks for the video, really gave me insight onto how much difference it'd make if I hypothetically upgraded to a 5600x.
Going to hold out until DDR5 ram shows up though
Thanks for this, any chance you could do a VR performance on AC, and Project Cars and other VR games? Dirt Rally 2.0 etc. With the older games maybe even add in supersampling of say 200% and show the impact
Watched this and upgraded to 5600x from 3600. Thanks for the tip! Was massively bottlenecking my 2080 super. Now just need to find a 3080! Prob 15 fps gain over 3600 in VR.
What is your VR headset?
@@MkSPR I'm on HP reverb g2 and running 3080 FE
Have you tried the normal AC? I've got a 3600x and a 6800XT, but thinking of upgrading the cpu.
@@DeejayJeanP yeah. Do a lot of AC. Problem is AC is almost any AMD processor struggles in VR when you have a large field (12+). I find Steam VR has to do motion smoothing for me most of the time
Managed to get a 3080 FE last year. Awesome!
Top vid my friend, great info and comparison, no bull just clear and concise and you understand background music volumes... take my sub
Much appreciated!
I have a Ryzen 3600 and RTX 3080. I'm having exactly the same issue as you in ACC where it just can't go up to 90fps with a lot of visible cars. And then I realised that I have a similar issue in Dirt Rally 2.0. So this test was really useful and proved that the 5600X is a game changer for AMD + VR. Thanks!
No problem.
hey! i have the same config. U did you upgrade the cpu? did you have improvements?
OK, this is crazy. 1 week after I saw this video there was a 5800X on sale so I updated my 3600X. And the damn frametime (same settings, still 2070S, Reverb1) at the Nürburgring Pit went from 16 to 8.5. I never had constant 90fps at the Nürburgring in VR. Now I have. Thanks for the video man.
Nice comparisation video there ! Would have loved triple screen benches but I can imagine the results now cheers.
The reason you are not seeing gains in 4K in for example Forza Horizon & Watchdogs Legion, is probably because the GPU is the limiting factor there (its also seen to be at 90+ most of the time in the top right). Could even simply be a Vram issues, where the GPU would have something left otherwise.. since the 3080 with its 10GB is a bit limited on that. Great video! Would love to see a 6800(XT) vs 3080 comparison if you could get one! Currently on a 5700XT which is somewhat struggling with ACC on triple 1080p because AMD underperforms a bit in ACC. Hope they fix that with the new GPUs :) Thanks!
edit: Just saw you noticed the GPU at 99% in a later stage :)
edit2: That outro music gave me massive BEST OF DASHCAM nostalgia haha
Yeah I noticed the GPU % after recording the video, I'm actually glad that it's GPU limited and not CPU limited! Perhaps I should sell my RTX 3080 and get a better GPU as you say :D
@@PaultheSimRacer Yeah exactly! GPU limits are also easier to compensate for with tweaking the settings a bit. CPU load is usually pretty much fixed for a certain game. That is also why iRacing has so much to gain I think :)
Hey, could you please test with AC and RF2 with as many AI opponents as possible? AI and poorly optimized track mods are what most affect CPU performance.
yes please.
Yes please, struggling with Rfactor 2 -cpu bound in VR when in pack (AI or multiplayer)
Did you upgrade to 5600X, did rfactor 2 got better?
Thanks, same CPU and GPU. Just bought a Quest 2, so this has made me excited to get it running.
Have fun!
that uplift in iracing alone is worth it, especially when you're trying to get that locked 90 in vr. Keep the 5600x untill the 5900x is a bit cheaper, there should be non-x cpu's coming out next year as well.
Yup I think I'll do exactly that - cancel the pre order and see what happens to the price of the higher end chips later on.
@@PaultheSimRacer you should try using a pbo offset and pairing some tuned dual rank ram. unboxed hardware recently done a video about the ram benefits.
You should make your fps box show all the info so we can see graphics and cpu load instead of just the fps
At 4K or high-res your GPU will almost always be the bottleneck, which brings faster and slower CPUs somewhat ''closer'' in comparison to 1080p or even 1440p, where an upgraded CPU will generally make more of a difference. It can still make a big difference in 4K, but only if the CPU isn't fast enough to supply the GPU with what it needs so to say. Or when you turn down all the settings to lowest in 4K, you might also notice more of a difference.
EDIT: My bad man, you addressed this in the green subtitle at the end - I was only listening to the video before.
So one day in the future I will be able to play Assetto Corsa Competizione in VR, awesome!
Fingers crossed!
I changed my 3600, after watching this video. Thanks for sharing
Great video mate. Shows how much iRacing is limited by IPC + Frequency, much moreso than the other titles.
Tell me about it! I guess it's because it's such an old engine - probably poorly optimised.
@@PaultheSimRacer Sort of, more a result of a design decision when everyone thought 7GHz was going to be a thing in the not too distant future, though computing went parallel cores instead.
iRacing still uses DX11 and has a CPU bottleneck at all but the most extreme resolutions. The work to get it to use a 8c or 16c processor is apparently a lot, even though the engine has been updated a fair bit over the last decade.
It could also be down to memory latency, the 3700X is hobbled by a split 2x16MiB cache. Memory access times stalls threads for 100's of cycles
@@RobBCactive It's a thing but not that much of a thing. Many complain in the Hardware forum that we use CPUz as a test for how good CPU's are for iRacing. Turns out it's one of the more accurate comparisons vs other games which use much newer technology to spread the load on a CPU.
Great review! Might be time to change :)
btw, iRacing doesn't change the resolution in the session. You need to leave the server and join again
yeah wish I had realised that before upload!
Hey, the uplift is huge. But keep in mind, since the CV1 only has (I think) only 2160×1200 in total this is way lower than WQHD on a monitor. So if you are getting a VIVE or Reverb G2 the impact on the CPU will be much lower :-)
So it depends on which headset and resolution you are :)
Good point!
I think you are misunderstanding something.
When your CPU is limited to something like 60 fps, like the 3700x in parts of this video, thats a hard limit.
It doesnt matter whether you have a CV1 or a Reverb G2, it doesnt matter wether you have a 1050ti or a RTX 3090 - you wont get more than 60 fps no matter what.
When people say that the CPU matters less at high resolutions, what they really mean is that it matters less at lower framerates - when you are playing the newest AAA-titles at 4k ultra your graphics card cant hit more than 60 fps anyways, so that CPU limit of 60 fps is kind of irrelevant.
When youre playing VR however, you always want to hit a stable 90 fps, so you are very much CPU limited no matter the resolution.
@@Steve-vp8ng You are right to a certain degree, but how do we know how the 3000 series handles at higher resolutions? The results just look like CPU bound at CV1 res. You can also compare newer titels at 4k. More or less the same FPS on 3000er and 5000er series. But of course there are execptions :-)
@@carroux4050 The CPU does not care about resolution.
Paired with a powerful enough graphics card, it will produce the exact same framerate at 1080p and 4k.
What happens with modern 4k titles is that the graphics card is not even powerful enough to match the 3000 series CPU's maximum framerate, so any additional performance from the 5000 series goes completely unused.
one thing that causes an increase in fps in iRacing is to decrease settings in the REPLAY, I didn’t see you working on it
@Pro Sim Racer I'm assuming the tests done with the monitors .. were single monitor and not triple ?? Thanks
Hi Simon, thanks for this comparison ... coming from 3700x, 1080ti, iracing, VR this was very eye opening, especially when you turned up visible cars to the max - and there in comparison to the old cpu even with shadows - normaly more cpu demanding ... maybe this has already been mentioned: fixed weather would have been nice ... although: "visible cars to the max" left no doubt ... many thanks for your work!!!
regards, xof
thx, good video, just ordered the 5600x for iracing :)
Hope you enjoy it!
i just installed mine. i bumped up all of the graphics in iRacing VR and maxed out the sliders which gave me 45fps, but strangely its stable at 45 and it doesn't lag or look bad. completely playable. not sure if I'm just looking past the flaws, but on my 6600k, if it dropped below 90 at all, I got lots of stutters and jitters and it wasn't playable
how did you get one? Paper launch.
You can play fine at 45fps as long as it’s smooth, if you are using v sync and frames drop below your monitor refresh rate you will get stuttering, or if you don’t have enough memory either video or system, then you will get stuttering, but frames will show as the same. People don’t realise this and get consumed in hype when they could get better performance by simply optimising their existing system.
Much better to have real world comparisons than just % differences, especially with VR where 91 FPS is much better than 89. Thanks!
What memory do you have btw? (CL 14?)
I got the 5800X and i got the same insane results for a CPU swap.
I'd love to know how much better the 5800x is than the 5600x on these tests - 2 more cores and slightly higher single core speed.
@@PaultheSimRacer It is hard to compare none synthetic benchmarks.
It is running 4.5 to 4.85Ghz ALL the time, that i can tell you.
Your conclusion about it being about cores is totally nonsense when u did not see the perf increase in Forza and watchdogs. If the game is gpu bound there is little the cpu can do, just like in the text you wrote about the gpu being loaded to 99%. But to be honest the difference in vr especially in Iracing is almost too high, are you sure the system when it was running the 3700x was running the ram at 3200 and not at say 2133mhz or something like that which usually is stock settings for mobo bios?
Thanks for the this review. I upgraded the 2070super with a 3080... but still not happy with the performance in vr. So I will now upgrade the 3600 with a 5600x
How was it ? Thinking about upgrading from a 3600 to a 5800x
@XanderRnG performance is much better, especially at starts of races. But still a bit bottleneck. I'm thinking upgrading yo 5800x3d (3d part is apparently making a huge difference in gaming)
@@SerialDriver So many people are telling that. Im on a b450 Motherboard and a H212 Evo Cooler. Just thought about cooling. Guess a 3dx is out of reach for me, unless i go for new cooling.
Im now looking for the 5700x since power draw is also less with almost same performance as the 5800x
Its really tricky, coming from a old upgraded system to really find the right way to go.
@@XanderRnG then just buy a 5600x, it's cheap and will already be a good upgrade
I’m waiting on a 5900x for VR... hope they get some in stock soon!
Got lucky and ordered one today. But going to have to run it with a 2080ti till I can get a 3080.
@@ozzy1887 Nice! Hopefully that means they are shipping more out. I’ve built a new pc just waiting on my cpu...
@@claybomb1064 Yeah, just got lucky with B&H. For a new build also, except the GPU. Just a few more days of waiting now. I hope you find one soon.
Even if that Vid is 2 Years old i gained a lot of info. Didnt know VR was that singlecore relevant. I'm now on a R5 3600 and thinking about upgrading to a 5800x. Now that ive seen the vid, i think its the move to make.
I'm using a Ryzen 3600, didn't think the step up to 5600 is that huge, it looks like it would help VR significantly. I'm going to wait for the new socket and new generation though, 500 series motherboards has been posing issues and the Ryzen 5000 chips are always out of stock.
UPDATE Jun 13, 2021- my motherboard died and seemed to have taken the CPU with it, so I'm getting a 5600X after all. Hope it lasts me thorughout to at least second gen of new socket years down the road.
Doing my first PC build, and just bought the 5600X! I'm definitely going to be getting into VR so this video was awesome. Any tips? ⚡
Have fun!
Just grabbed one an prime day for $175! I only really play iracing so this is the cheapest upgrade over my 3700x giving the max performance increase for my old 1080ti system.
Damn, must buy. Raceroom is great in VR apart the fact I can only run about 15 cars with a 3060ti and a 9100f.
Nice work, I'd like to suggest to show GPU/CPU bars in iR, it would be more informative then just FPS
Noted
just got my hp reverb g2 and love it compared to my Rift s. just need a 5900x , cannot get one at all. currently on 2700x
i was able to run my hp g2 with better picture amd higher frame rate than my rift s . increased my acc settings and was getting 20fps than rift s
Outstanding vídeo!! The only thing left to know is how much impact SAM will make on the performance.
But for that you need a Rx6800... at least!! So buy buy buy it!!! Pleaseee!! Lol
I can confirm for ACC at least SAM doesn't make any improvement, yet.
I am suffering in VR with a 1070ti and i5, next upgrade I know where to go....
The sudden frame drop to 60 on Brands Hatch seem to be an issue with the current NVidia driver. It's the same for all models, not just the 30 series. As you can't revert to a former working version, for 30 series owners, it's resolved soon hopefully, but not limited to Ampere architecture luckily. :)
Wow, thanks for the info.
15:50 The higher the resolution, the more it gets GPU bound. You do have a much better 1% low and 0.1% low on the 5000-series so less stutters
But Iam curious about the sneaky screenshot of a different configuraton on 16:40
Picked up a 5600x myself after watching your video but notice that even when GPU isn't under 100% load I am still dropping fps to sometimes as low as 50 in Iracing. You've had your CPU a while longer, are you holding 90fps all the time in Iracing or do you still experience frame drops every once in a while?
Thank you for this thorough and clear review. It clearly shows the difference!
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for that! I’d love to see iRacing VR results with 4 cockpit mirrors on. I find that has a big hit for me.
Yeah that's why I use the virtual mirror - it's an immersion breaker but the cockpit mirrors do kill FPS
@@PaultheSimRacer Hopefully Zen4 improvements will allow us VR racers to use the cockpit mirrors, at least until iRacing moves to a new API that can take advantage of more CPU cores in a fully multithreaded environment, which will also benefit the GPU. Might be dead before that happens if IPC gains keep going up, which will not incentivize iRacing to change anything. That being said, what they can do with a couple of cores is amazing.
Thanks for this comparison! I may need to consider one
You should!
Nice. Defo going to upgrade to the 5000 series when it comes back in stock. Thanks for the 3700x
Hope you enjoy it!
Ok, Brits, we need to get on the same page here. You have to say "fifty-six hundred" or "thirty-six hundred" with titles like this. "Five thousand six hundred" just does not sound right. LOL! Fantastic review, BTW! Definitely a like and sub from me.
Noted!
Rubbish, he can say numbers how he usually does .. just because your dialect uses hundred illogically doesn't make it compulsory
@@RobBCactive, Dude, send me your paypal or venmo, or something. I'll send you some money so you can get a sense of humor.
@@angryginger791 fuck him I found it funny... I have same problem with the US way lol , working out in real time what "fifty-six hundred" is seems to turn me into a retard for a few seconds lol..
how about you put AA off and use TXAA alone. you are using basically both settings that are meant to give the same result, altough TXAA is much less demanding then AA. And you won't notice it ingame. but your FPS will get a big boost when disabling AA
Great vid, would of been good to see cpu utilisation and not just frame rate. I’ve got a 9700k at 5.1ghz all cores but actually wondering if I should now get a 5600x just for gaming 🤔
5600x is definitely faster, but if you're happy with the 9700k I'd stick to it. Since Am4 is now a dead platform. 4th gen Ryzen will almost certainly be on Am5 socket. So you don't have a future upgrade path.
Also, you could wait until q1 2021 for the non-X 5600, which will probably have performance within 5% after overclocking for significantly cheaper
I have a 3600 and an RTX 3070 on the way. I sim race on Quest 2 with the link cable. Would a 5600x give me a significant boost? (x470 mobo)
I think a 5600x would due to it's single core perf
Have you upgraded your CPU? Is there any performance boost?
Great vid, be interesting to see how the 6800xt would pair with this cpu, cancel the 5800x and get 1 of those instead, for the content.
Haha, don't tempt me! I could probably still sell my RTX 3080 for a lot to make the switch.
@@PaultheSimRacer DO IT!!!!
@@PaultheSimRacer Just be glad you didn't buy an RTX 3090
I'm the opposite haha. I have a 6800XT and a 3600x. Thinking of getting a 5600x or 5800, but dunno if this video translates to normal AC as well. I play at 4K, so other than for VR, it'll be useless to me.
im looking at getting it but i am going possibly with a 5900x as i prefer a 9 series chips but that;s me. i just got my pc built a year ago u can say with the 3900xt but in vr it's not as great as i first thought seen how good the 5600xt in iracing vr as that the only way i can race in VR changed how i enjoy sim racing. im like you i am thinking the 5600 right now based on price point
Great stuff! new sub!
I've got loads of questions;
First, what's the mic you're using?
Second, if I were to stream and broadcast an iRacing tournament, do you know how I can switch between cameras as it's live, create my own cameras (i.e; static shots) and have all the player overlays up at command? Thanks!
Hi Steve, welcome to the channel. Mic = Rode NT USB. I've got a video titled 'how I make my videos' which covers some of the overlay / external cam stuff - however it's a bit out of date compared to how I do things now. If you're only broadcasting, check out some broadcasting stuff e.g. SDK Gaming have a good one (think it's the one which powers Racespot), also JRT (Joel Real Timing) is a free alternative. Give me a shout if you have any other questions.
Downloaded vid will watch later, thanks!!!
Hope you like it!
I'm on a 3700X, I play sims in VR (Quest with Link/VD) and I'm looking to get a 5600X for the very same reasons you outlined in your video. This was a perfect case-specific confirmation for me to pull the trigger. Frankly I'm surprised by how much difference the core performance makes so that the hexacore can hold up with the older octacore in Cinebench multicore tests. Now if AMD could just restock European vendors please?
Have you had any improvements after the upgrade?
@@MrRaduParmac Yes, absolutely. Not only do I get more stable FPS in VR in Automobilista 2, but a sim that is heavily CPU-limited such as RaceRoom can now actually be played in VR, whereas that was impossible before. It does not allow me to run ACC in VR, though... for that I'd need a 3090, lol
Thank you for the reply. I am currently experiencing quite some bad drops in iRacing with a 3080ti and a quest2. I guess I will go for a 5000 series cpu
@@MrRaduParmac Hello wath is the cpu you have choose and your problèm are solved now?
@@Dim_mrq31 i went back then for a 5900x and there were significant improvements but still not sufficient. I haven't had time in recent months to bother with this issue as I mostly do the racing on a 49 ultrawide as it is stress free compared to VR
thank you for the review mate....but i think i will go for the 5900X or higher because i need more cores....reason being is that i do more then just the game in VR....there is discord, crewchief, my motion 3DOF rig and other things running in the background all taking up cpu usage so
I'm considering upgrading to one of those next year.
Thanks for this! Subscribed!
Thanks for the sub!
I just wish I could have got a 5600x when it was in stock for the 5 minutes it was. 😪
I know the feeling, I was gutted too - thankfully one of my subscribers helped me out.
More VR tests with Ryzen 5000!!!
Want a new hp
g2 and anew card . wasn't expecting to get a new cpu. I just built this one my first after upgrading a prebuilt with a card . I got lucky and found a guy on the sim racing market place who was highly recommended and scored a i7 9700k sho cooler and a 2080 super hybrid all used for about a year but only paid 700 for all. Bought the rest new and got a nice machine . But im glad to see vr testing with sim racing. What is tbe hardest on a graphic card and cpu in vr?I got the Intel as I heard go for best overall single core performance and the i79700k is 3.6 to 5.0 .
also, re doing this test with a higher resolution headset like a reverb g2 would be great, as others have pointed out using a low resolution headset makes the cpu the bottleneck, high resolution makes the gpu the bottleneck.
Great video, i have a couple of questions.
Were you using the same Epic VR settings for ACC that you used in the other 3080 benchmark video?
What about supersampling?
it was actually slightly changed (I show the full settings in this vid) - Super Sampling was 140% I believe.
What do you think is better for sim racing. Ryzen 9 3900x vs ryzem 5 5600x. I would also like to be streaming from time to time aswell
Im still runing a am3 + just need stock to do a xmass up grade nices work mate 👍🍻🍺🇭🇲
You will literally over double you FPS with any of the newer CPUs lol
Awesome and clear video man!
Great time to build or upgrade your pc:)
Can you tell us what type of cooling and case you use?
I have 2 140mm front fans pulling air in, 1 120 mm fan at the back exhausting, 1 120mm fan at the top (at the back) exhausting. Then a Noctua NH-D15 on the CPU
well this is really bad news the system i built this year, 3700x lol.
I replaced my i9-10900KF and rtx 2080ti card for the new ryzen 9 5950X and the rx 6900xt. I mainly play Iracing in vr on the pimax 5k plus. The performance went way lower with the same game settings. Any idea how come this new system is way worse then my previous?
I am building a pc for normal game streaming and vr streaming and need to know, was it forth the upgrade and which would you recommend?
in iRacing you need to reload the game after the change in graphics settings. that is why it does not change fps live
NEXT TIME DONT EVEN BOTHER WITH CINEBENCH ON THE LAST GRAPH.. MAKES THE RESULTS LOOK ODD and honestly no1 really cares about single and multi threaded for gaming benchmarks only care about what settings u using. what hardware.. and if u are running a overclock. and what temps u are hitting... but really great work.. but thats the only thing id change is make that graph correctly and u will be able to show people just the graph that way they can get the info needed and get the hell on with there day lol. great job subbed.
How is it with the normal AC though? Really curious about this!
All that spec for a cv1! Get a Reverb G2 or an Index, son!
I managed to score a 5900x a few weeks ago....made a huge difference in VR with a 2080ti.
I'm curious, are you running 100% or any super sampling in game?
I'm using a quest 2 at like 150% SS and my GPU is being worked. I can't imagine moving to a 5600 would make that big an impact over my 3600 could it?
well today i got the 5600x pulling out the 3900xt as from what i seen in this vid i think over all i will get a gain some what because the 5600 is better in single core even using i say 2080 so when i do some testing ill get back to u and the public on this. if i dont sell the 3900xt ill keep it for a pc to do my track building on
How was the testing?
Hi Do You recommend upgrade CPU or GPU to get constant 90Fps
My Current build
CPU I7 4790 nonK Plan to 5600X
Or
GPU Vega 56 Plan to Rtx3080
Thanks
hmm - I'd say out of the two - the jump to the RTX 3080 is probably the bigger leap for VR.
Ryzen 5 3600 and xfx 5600 will run acc in vr?
probably not well
i would love to see the same test repeated in assetto corsa shutoko revival project onlline traffic servers. no gpu or cpu seems able to beat 45fps there. which is a shame. 90fps shutoko would be amazing. with all the player and ai traffic cars along with the huge map in a game that was never designed for it, very cpu and gpu intensive.
hopefully a better cpu allows for higher framerates here.
Great video, thank you!!!
My pleasure!
The 5600x is good. Would the 5900x be worth the difference in price? I’m torn between the two upgrading from a 3600 on a 2070 Super & Valve Index. I primarily play MSFS and DCS. Thanks!
Hi mate. I watched a video of yours two months ago when you do benchmarks after installing a rtx3080 (your second attempt) and you show in vr it's literally locked at 90 in all race sims in epic settings.
But this video is showing it drops a lot before you swapping to the 5000 series. Any ideas why it changed? Or have I missed something?
Cheers
I think I was running different graphic settings for each unfortunately. It was not meant to be a back to back with the old vid - but only back to back with this new CPU :) if it was previously locked at 90 fps with the 3700x and I switched to the 5600x you wouldn't be able to see any gain. I think I was running Epic (not even VR epic ... but the max EPIC desktop settings) for the test.
@@PaultheSimRacer oh ok I think I get you. So in this video your are running full max settings in vr and getting no fps drop where as in the last video I mentioned if you was running max vr settings you reckon you would have seen a drop like in this video?
RUclips recommendation comes up trumps. Just the info I was after for ACC VR perf. Now if only I could by a new Ryzen 5000 series or RTX 3080...
Glad you enjoyed - good luck on finding the hardware!
If I dont play in VR, only maybe in 4K - is a Ryzen 5 3600 enough?
Great comparison, just wish I could get one. Will you be upgrading your vr headset?
Got a video out in an hour that shows my update on the VR headset front :)
Very interesting benchmark thank you ! Going to this from a 3600 will be massive
Went from 3600 to 5600x today... saw very little increase. Did you make the change? results?
@@robcampbell6099 what gpu do you have ? In VR and assetto the gains are huge for me.
@@Qhimadi have a MSI Gaming X 6700XT.... in ACC I see about a 20-30fps increase instead of averaging around 70fps before I average around 95-105 now on my custom setting which is in-between high and epic.
in iRacing with everything maxed out except sharpening. I have seen about a 50fps gain on the heavy tracks and about 70 or so on the others depending on car counts.
in AMS2 I got over 180 on avg before hand.. have only tried a couple races since and am getting easily over 200 now.
previous setup was the 3600 and a 1070ti..... I was just expecting a more substantial increase I guess vs the cost to upgrade.
@@robcampbell6099 I have a 3600 and a 6700XT and am debating a 5600x. Did you go from the 3600 & 1070ti to the 5600x & 6700xt? I can run ACC at 5760x1080 at nice settings currently so can’t decide if its worth it.
iRacing performance is a mess on the new AMD 6X00 cards, there’s multiple threads on the forums about it, there’s tracks where I just can’t maintain a decent frame rate and VR performance is awful.
@@mikelshwede Yes went from a 3600 and 1070ti to the 5600x and 6700xt. getting 120-130fps in virtually epic settings in ACC on my 49" ultrawide.
As for iracing not having any issues, last week's Tuesday(windows) update did cause an issue but then they(windows) released an updated driver 2 days later. on the heavy tracks like Long Beach, Hockenheim and Nurburgring GP. there are a couple spots on the track where it will dip down to 80-120fps depending on # of cars and class of car. but for the most part I see anywhere from 120-200fps depending on track, car size of field etc. I am running with virtually everything maxed out in iracing except clouds and crowd with mirrors off.
I have the i5 7600k with an RX 5700xt, 3 screens 1080p, multi projection, in some tracks in which iRacing has upgraded, the fps have dropped a lot, if I put a ryzen 5000 would I improve it? when I don’t use multiprojection the fps go up there, sorry English Google, I hope you understand
wow. 75fps o 90fps with the same settings and same gpu. nice. people keep telling me a cpu upgrade is pointless for vr, but in sim racing which is what i use vr for most, especially with lots of traffic/ ai/ cars etc. the cpu is important.
i am getting a 5900x to upgrade from my 3700x. also a used 3080ti to upgrade from my 2070 super.
then a reverb g2 is next on the list. the price has gone up since i bought one and had to return it due to it being faulty, and im not willing to pay more than i did then, so i will wait. if the price never goes down i will stick with my lenovo explorer until a new PCVR only headset enters the market, or an hp reverb g3 gets released. jeeze wouldnt that be nice! although i have heard rumours they are quitting the vr headset market, which would be a shame since they are the only real option for pcvr at the moment. and one of the best headsets out there. all they need to do is to invest in IR tracking instead of visible light then they will be unbeatable.
He said it is playable but didn't bother to press a key to move the car? Wtf? Feel like a waste of my time
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