The F-15EX is No True Competitor for Russia or China
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- Опубликовано: 31 окт 2021
- The F-15EX is a ready-now replacement for the F-15C that includes best-in-class payload, range and speed. Designed to deliver value to the U.S. Air Force, the F-15EX will be a backbone fighter for the service - not just today, but for the next several decades. Boeing engineers created hundreds of digital aircraft before cutting any metal, and flew thousands of hours before our first test flight. The result is an aircraft with a digital backbone, open system architecture and the capacity to carry hypersonic weapons, making it a key element of the U.S. Air Force’s tactical fighter fleet.
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When a modernized, bulked up F15EX is your "low" option in a high/low force structure with F35/F22's as the high option, you're doing juuuuust fine.
Yeah but the overall cost for the "low option" you call the F-15EX is actually $10mill.more per unit than the F-35's.They're paying $10mill.more per jet just to save $9-10k in hourly operating cost.I find that questionable seeing as our enemies seem to be focusing solely on stealth technology and that we have close to or a little more than 500 F-15's still in service over 4 squads with another 150 new F-15 EX contracted with Boeing over the next few years to replace some of the aging F-16's and F-15e.
@@topseykretts251 10,000 hours times 30K per hour is $300M. A good portion of our future flying is going to be inside an air superiority bubble, where generation doesn't mean squatoosh, and being invisible doesn't help when no one can see. Also, nobody talks about it, but the F-35 can't carry shit in stealth mode, armament wise, relative to the F15EX. My point is, if you are going to adopt a high/low strategy, having the F15EX be your low is not bad. Your argument is don't be high/low - be all high.
@@topseykretts251 f-15 can carry way more payload than the stealth fighters. With its upgraded avionics and technology it’ll be able to pass on and receive info from planes like the F-35 which has a strong enough radar to pretty much be like a small awacs plane. If a f-35 can find a target and see what’s around it etc it can relay that info to the f-15 pilot and they launch ordinance according to the received information also I’m sure the f-15ex is a little more maneuverable with the new fly by wire system similar to the one in the f-35 . The f-35 can do impressive stuff for single engine aircraft
No bad, right?
But F22 will be superceded by 6th gen.
I dont think F35 will be as numerous as once planned.
@@Kevlar67476 I hope so too, we don't need 1700 F35's.
And this many years later people still doubt the F-15; The best fighter in the history of the USAF
I think the media wants the us military to fail miserably. So they can pine their i told u so. United states invaded iraq back in the 90s im still waiting for the counter offensive by the vaulted elite republic guard and the Superior Medina division🤷🏾♂️ nbc,abc,cbs, and nbc all were touting these forces. That chinese stealth they have how many planes? Us threw out how many f117 nighthawks in last week trash?🤷🏾♂️ oh well🤔
Exactly
This guy didn't do any research. All those features he said the F15EX doesn't have, the F15 E/F already had most. Those were from I think the 90s. How is the EX not going to have Data Link?
@@Damitsall as far as I am aware the EX is getting data link. It seems every war plane from here on out is getting data link.
For its day
As I understand it, the F-15EX is not at all intended to operate as an air superiority asset. It's intended to haul a massive amount of ordnance at high speed and altitude, utilizing datalink information from newer, stealthier planes to target said ordnance, and then to withdraw. The EX is an upgrade of the Strike Eagle, not an attempt to extend the glory days of the F-15 as an non-combat platform. The Eagle is already not stealthy, so there's little to be lost by loading it up. It can easily haul about 3x (or more) the ordnance of an F-35 in stealth configuration. If you're looking at a high-intensity combat situation that's going to require a massive response, do you want to send out a fleet of stealth-compromised Lightning IIs? Or send out a handful of extremely stealthy, clean Lightnings who are feeding targeting information back to F-15 missile trucks beyond enemy radar range? Seems like a pretty easy choice to me.
Great job dude, parroting the BS narrative of this fear and hate mongering channel of the War Profiteers. Sounds like you shallowed, hook, line and sinker. The only objective of the F22 and F35 is to line the war profiteers pockets with billions. The F35 and F22 are overhyped piles of MIC junk. Pure junk.
I'm interested in seeing the development of the peregine and cuda missiles. If those can actually outperform current technologies, their size would double or (in the case of the F-35) triple the amount A2A missiles American 5th generation fighters can carry.
The intent is for the F-15 to fly dirty. You can hang a lot of ordinance on it its hardpoints, and not make it less stealthy than it isn't. Once you put external stores on F-35 its stealth is sharply reduced.
Current US Air Power doctrine doesn't require a wholly stealth fleet. The stealth fleet eliminates the air and ground threats...then the F-15 and F-16 come in an saturate the ground war. And most countries don't need stealth.
A missile truck, they have looked into loading the B52 up with ALCMs and having the missiles directed by 5th gen stealth aircraft and lofted from older aircraft from out of harms way.
I get the impression the OP is unaware of how much the F-15 has been upgraded due to frequent alterations to NEW fighter exported to so many countries. It makes perfect sense to create a whole new airframe aggregating everything learned over the decades.
No it doesnt.. google what BVR is. You need stealth against near peer threats
@@RickSanchez167 Actually, I think it does Rick. The biggest cost the military industrial complex creates is in making molds for the airframes. Normally they destroy the molds after a contracted run is complete so they can charge for them all over again. Happened with the F-22 molds for no valid reason.
As I stated, new variants have been made for export models consistently for decades thus keeping the molds current and making it possible to restart an updated line of truly NEW fighters without "development" costs.
And I do not need to GOOGLE BVR; I served 20 years in the Navy, mostly on carriers, after growing up in an Army family. I learned acronyms before I learned my 2nd and 3rd languages.
OP has 2500 hours as a pilot in the F-15.... Disagree with his opinion, but he is clearly a SME on the plane.
@@Umbrarian If you say so, I'll accept the premise. However, it does not nullify my point that F-15 production has continued far longer than is common for US suppliers.
That production run extension has permitted the original design to see great improvements. If the F-14 had seen more global demand in the same period we would have F-14G/H Super Cats on carriers today instead of the fragile, short duration F-18s.
Thank you to both you and your family for your service and sacrifice. I wasn't able to serve due to a degenerative disk issue, but it just made me appreciate everyone else who did that much more. @@morganjohnson539
The EX is not a 47 year old fighter. It is a new airplane built on a proven well understood platform with modern avionics and sensors.
Exactly!
How the Ukraine would love a squadron of those old crappy F15EX’s loaded to the gills with as many old useless AGM65’s about now. Not to mention those ugly ass ancient a10s carrying the same.
@@BilgePump
Old crappy F-15EX's? Say what? They're brand new planes, not old F-15 C's & D's retrofitted. Ancient A-10? You have issues kid.
@@razony I....I think it was sarcasm dude...
@@lethalsmash
Don't think so.
It's meant to be a bomb/missle truck for 5th Gens. It'll do just fine.
Agreed
Exactly in so tired of all these smart guys acting like their talking about it replacing f35 or something!? It was always meant as a bomb truck or for use in uncontested environments!
@@mccoybyz1099 the EX is just a giant mod for survivability vs next gens, which is IN THE NAME lol
A F-35 can carry 24 GBU-53/B StormBreaker bombs. And the last 8 internal bombs can be dropped further out than the distance Russian radars are able to lock on to a F-35.
The F-35A can carry 2 AGM-88G AARGM-ER which it can launch unseen close to a radar where the F-15 couldn't even shoot the missile at max range unseen.
And a F-35 can carry 4 AMRAAM missiles internally and two AIM-9X externally, with 1000 F-35A in the air force that will be more then 10 AAM's per one Russian Air superior fighter that can fly here and now.
What is it the "missile bus" should be used for? It would be very hard even using it abroad as the development and export of modern long range SAM systems like the S-400 (That can track a aerodynamical design at 186 km) is ongoing.
Investing in a 50 year old 4th gen plane now is stupid, USAF could just as well dust of some of their old designs and use them while they start designing a light 5th gen fighter.
The F-15 solution is just doing it the Russian way where they give an old fighter new paint and call it Su-35. Russia lost the weapon race doing so, and now USAF copy the idea????
@@janhansen3753 copy the idea? Every country has upgraded their fighters. The F16, A10, F22, C130, B52 all received and are receiving upgrades. It would only make sense to upgrade their current inventory. It's literally carrying all the missiles or bombs needed without the F35 or F22 giving up their stealth. Pretty simple to understand. The US has already almost finished testing a 6th Gen and a new F16. No one has anything like that.
As an old Army puke, having Factory new A10's and F15EX's for ground support/ground attack with a anti air capability seems to be a very smart option. The bomb load and AGM capacity of either is way better than a F-35 for protecting troops on the ground.
F-35 are NOT training for CAS.
A-10s are good if your opponents are guys running around in Toyotas with RPGs. Against a near peer adversary it would be a turkey shoot. The F-35 is infinitely more capable than either the F-15 or A-10. For CAS there are other unmanned options.
Not to mention the speed of the airframes, F15EX is capable to go Mach 2.5 while F35s top is around Mach 1.5. The new engines they got on those bad boys burn hard.
@@shunsuiv9276 *Mach 2.5 clean. As in, no armament, no external fuel.
@@puffthemagiclepton7534 I'm glad you mentioned that. The US has maintained air superiority for so long, and we've spent the past few decades fighting primitive enemies with unsophisticated air defense systems. Too many people forget that our fighters may have to actually fight other fighters to secure air dominance in a future conflict. The A10 would be swatted out of the sky like a fly in that type of engagement.
There is still a place for the f15x. The F15 has more weapon pods and has a higher range. So can fight for longer and have more weapons to choose from while on a mission. The new system has electronic warfare built in (like the Growler) and with a larger radar capacity so there could be more sensitivity when it comes to detecting stealth aircraft.
The real trick up the new F-15EX's sleeve is that ridiculous radar. It won't be the air superiority monster it once was, but it can provide great utility. Stealth craft can remain in passive radar modes while the f-15 can stay far away and function as a AWACS jr. It would better serve the F-15 to carry more electronic warfare systems and decoy missiles, with a couple long range missiles of course, while the stealthy boys carry the lethal munitions.
F15's have never been taken down, the EX is a great secondary support aircraft. It has a high capacity, that can lie behind the stealth, and provide a heavy attack load fired by the forward stealth ships. Not a dead horse, yet.
Nothing wrong with it and the avionics and weapons are state of the art.
It won't lie behind stealth
The USA is reactivating it's long range artillery for this reason
The f15s will be used against less sophisticated foes who can't afford the iads of the levels of china and Russia.
The US spent more money developing the B-29 Bomber than it did on the Manhattan Project. The B-29 ruled the skies over Japan, so much so they shot down more Japanese aircraft than US fighters did.
5yrs later the B-29 was hopelessly obsolete vs Mig-15 fighters and was of very limited use.
The end of the Cold War provided a "Peace Dividend" where the US didn't have to spend much on defense because it didn't face a Soviet threat, and China hadn't arisen as one yet. That was exactly the conclusion of SecDef Gates when he cancelled the Raptor program.
Those days are over, and so is the F-15.
It is worth the money that has been spent on it instead of the f35,waste of money in most cases of a fighter aircraft.taxpayers money wasted on the f35.
f15 has never been taken down, but mainly because it has only done missions against very old planes .... mostly mig21s etc.
You have missed an important part of the F-15EX role, i.e., to serve as an 'ammo' carrier for the F-35. The F-15 can sit back, loaded with all types of rocketry, while the stealthy F-35 can fly into a electronically 'hot zone,' pick out targets, and relay their coordinates to the F-15 what will deploy them from a safe distance. The F-35 is unseeable to enemy radar and the F-15 is untouchable because of it's distance!
What imaginary country can the F35 coordinate in hot zones and pick out without it getting shot down first? The F35 has no ability to hide when engaging with both the Chinese and Russians
The F35 is far from unseeable on Radar. It has a reduced l RCS, mainly frontal, that makes it hard to detect from the front. But Ground radar is still able to find and track it.
@@mcgeufer agreed. Tracking and targeting is two different things
The F15EX Is intended to essentially be a missile missile truck for the F 35. The cost per unit for the F15EX is comparable to the average cost per unit for the F 35 variants. In my opinion it would’ve been better off just going ahead and procuring more F 35s since the cost is the same. Perhaps with a slight degradation in overall delivery ability when in “stealth” mode. However when the F35 is in “beast” mode I believe the payload deliveries are comparable.
It seems the commentors know a hell of a lot more about the topic than the narrator.
Former F-15 crew chief here. That thing was an absolute beast. Shame to see it go. Kill ratio of 108:0.
OTOH... Wasn't Iraq the last time we went up against a "real" opposition air force? Have the newer fighters been tested in real combat?
No matter how advanced the F-15 get. To me the C variant will always be the epitome of “air superiority” shape-wise. I love the E and EX but the C will always have my heart
Same, best fighter ever
@@rival1088 FACTS!
Hmmmmm, I think the USA has over estimated the capabilities of the Russian and probably the China Air Forces. Just saying, Russian isn't "kicking ass and taking names" in current world events.
And it has only gotten worse.
I concurr, they do not even have engines for their own "5'th generation" fighters, easily detectable by Indian radars.
You accept the claims and if the fight ever happened you've planned for the threat and would be happily surprised when it's not as bad as you thought.
China has J20s, which are semi-stealth fighters designed for air superiority. We dont know how good they are, but they are probably about the scariest thing out there after an F22 and maybe Typhoon/Rafale.
And china has a LOT of planes.
Right!!!!!
They are meant to work in a symbiotic relationship. Range and large firepower are the F-15 strongest assets. They are being amplified and optimized to support the F-35 that has a relatively small amount of firepower and range without sacrificing its stealth.
So if the F-35 sacrifices its stealth it can do the same job as the F-15, and at the same price... there's no need for an F-15 then.
@@barnmaddo Yea it actually can't though, it wasn't designed to.
@@barnmaddo ....The f35...do something at the same price? LoL, if only
@@barnmaddo the F-15 is everything that the F-35 isn't and could never be, sooooooo you have no point.
@@NEUWRIGHT boom
Part of the reason the F15EX is back in production is because digital printing makes building them a lot more affordable than the F35. And, one has never been shot down. The manueverability of the F15EX is incredible and affordable.
F-15s have been shot down in surface to air engagement.
F35 is much cheaper than F15EX
@@thelmaviaduct that's an unknown quantity at the moment.
@@Wadlo151 so it's not $80m vs $120m each? I'm all for EX btw, it fits in well if it can talk to F35.
F15EX is over 110 million per unit, well above the 77 for the F35.
The F 15 EX will be loaded up with the new version of the Amram long range and also will be carrying hypersonic missiles as well. They’ll be able to shoot their ordnance’s from long distances after being linked up with a F 35 or F 22 as the front line.
The EX reportedly has a 20000 hour air frame life, far in excess of existing aircraft. Part of this acquisition is the recognition that 1) bomb truck that can defend themselves are necessary and 2) total cost of ownership matters. Existing logistics tails can be adapted to the EX and the unit cost spread out over the flying life of the aircraft will be historically low. They will be flying for a very very long time. If the B-52 is any measure, it might be 50 years. Also 3) the F15 is a very well proven design. There should be no surprises, just service.
Yeah true. Even if the airframe is to be flown around the clock but including mainatence. This plan will last 50 years. I doubt that anyone can fly more then 500 hours each year.
The F15EX air frame life is something like 90 years. The new engines are said have 30 year life spans before needing a major over haul. Absolutely insane have over built these things are. The F18 needs to take notes. This is how it’s done. Maybe the new batch of 18’s have better airframe life spans but I remember them being pretty low in regards to simple 4th gen fighters. Should have stuck with the Tom cat and converted all of them into super Tom cats. The super Tom cats proposed stats and upgrades are mind blowing. Their air to ground ability would have been greatly improved, the 14 was absolutely abysmal in that regard and is why they were never aloud to fly bombing missions. They did do laser targeting with their targeting pods for other carrier based planes like a6’s and even for some usaf f15s
Considering we're coming up on 50 years already of F-15, I wouldn't mind another 50.
@@JohnDoe-yq9ml This is insane competed to Mig 29A. It also had three engine overhauls but at 4500/6000 life span!
@@JMiskovsky true
F-15 is no longer the tank, it is the artillery. 16 or so hard points of weapons, vs the F-35's 4 internal bays that hold about 1 weapon each.
Exactly.. when you don't need Stealth or you need the Bomb/missile truck for the F-22 to identify targets for you to attack. It's the cost affective go to aircraft.
@@jtlanden9771 We don't need F-15EX. Additional F-35 can be purchased and run with external hardpoints, or run in tandem with other current assets such as bombers or cargo planes acting as missile trucks using the palletized munition system that has tested very promising. We need to be using our infrastructure more efficiently, and be more careful with our purchases. It makes no sense to waste money on F-15 when it will be irrelevant in less than ten years. F-35 will soon be the new low-cost option as our 6th gen aircraft come into production.
We could sell em when we get better stuff.
@@MiniDevilDF lol i want to see a cost comparison of F35 vs F15... And then you get an F35 and negate the stealth with external hard points?
@@MiniDevilDF The F-35 can't do what the F-15 does well and the F-15 can't do what the F-35 does well. The aphorism that you can't design an aircraft that does everything is well proven and the F-35 is a prime example. The F-35 isn't one aircraft doing three jobs it's three different specialist aircraft that look alike. The F-15EX has another job to do and will serve in our air national guard long after it ceases to be a front line fighter, which it will be for a long time. The idea that an F-15 can't stand up to Russian or Chinese fighters is complete nonsense.
Counter opinion: The F15X may not be 5th gen but is by far the longest range fighter we can build right now. The best fighter in the world is the one that actually get to the fight.
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I spent 7 years at RAF Lakenheath. We caught 30 when I worked barriers for 3 years. I hated and loved those LN F-15’s.
with 5th gen fighters heavily limited to the amount of ordinance they can stow within their air frame to maintain stealth (f35 severely); the f15's heavy weapons/carry platform allows for a tactical dominant buddy system.
F-35 can carry external loads in its "beast mode", after it has destroyed the SAM sites
@@joekey8464 Oh definitely, and its surprisingly good at it.. it just defeats the stealth of the plane which is its primary advantage.
@@griff7293 don't need stealth if SAM's are suppressed. A-10, F-15EX, F-16, and F-35 in "beast mode" can do ground support and Eurofighters at combat air patrol.
@@joekey8464 Right, but thats sort of the point right.. you let your flying stealth super computers(f35s) coordinate your heavy fighter F15EXs. the Airforce realized this dynamic duo and appears to be investing heavily in f15EX as a primary Heavy fighter.
additionally there is a large investment on smaller munitions that can supplement the F35s internal bays, giving it a boost for overall carried internal arm systems so it can maintain stealth.
To your point the f35 can do it, its just not the design or specialty of the craft, and the services always try to play to their design strengths. Red Flag has some cool new F35 tactics on display which is why Germany is now ordering the Stealth super computersF35s
@@griff7293 Germany is buying F35s because they're cleared to carry nukes. They need something to replace Tornado for the B61 delivery mission.
F-15 Still holds the record for the most air kills in the modern day with zero losses due to combat
It will be a dark time when a newer jet holds that record
Only because no war America has been in with the aircraft has been against any country that had anything resembling an air force.
@@Oblivisci........ actually Israel holds the most air to air kills with the F-15. The F-15 will still fly circles around 99% of combat aircraft out there today.
Modern Russian and Chinese jets would annihilate these things. Of course, we're not fighting countries that have a modern air force. We only fight vulnerable countries rich in precious resources like oil.
@Delta is the vaccine The F-15EX is 6th generation. It can take on any Mig or commie Chinese aircraft with ease, and not an old one either
"If I had my way the F-15 would fly forever. And so would I." Hats off to you.
I'm not an expert, but sometimes you don't have to use the most advanced tool to get the job done. Example, the A-10. No one is going to argue the A-10 is a stealthy next gen. aircraft. But it does it's job perfectly. Personally I think the F-15 still is a very valuable tool for the air force.
Unlike newer fighters, the F15 has proven itself a reliable, cost effective and upgradable support which allows far greater unit coverage.
The f15ex unit pricing is more than a f35
@@MrYaxalot Least the F15 can fly out of Alaska without software updates. 🤣
@@thestormofwar I’m sure the f15 had many growing pains as well.
Bingo!
If it can do 90% of what the other guys can do at 30% the cost, you've got yourself a winner.
@@mathewcurtis9401 the f15ex per unit is more than a f35
As they say, the best time to start farming is before the famine. I hope that a war between US and Russia/China never comes, of course, but if it does - we should be ready.
That is so true. You may never know when will war breaks out. It could be at any point in time in the future. So it is better to be prepared than to do nothing and be sorry in the end and regret.
@@robenjohnpetecio3172 what the hell u 2 are talking about?? War between US and Russia and China is the end of all us!! That’s an extinction level event.. get that through your thick skull 💀. There will be no survivors!! No mad max bs!!!!
@@MegaEdward39 Then try to tell all those countries to get rid of their nukes. If not, the best thing we can do is be ready and defend ourselves.
@@robenjohnpetecio3172 no, u tell your country to get rid of theirs first. The US is the aggressive country here.. it’s not the “good guys” but the bully.. other countries have decided to have these weapons to protect themselves from the US because they r afraid that u will want to invade them for whatever reason..
@@MegaEdward39 You tell that to your uncle xi jin ping and putin not to land grab west philippine sea and crimea.
One of the best fighters ever built!
Planes lose their stealthiness and maneuverability when they loaded up with external weapons and performing attack and close ground support missions. In those roles, there's not that huge an advantage to using the newer plane.
Stealth is way overrated and a waste of money.
Keep in mind that its 50 year old design is half a century seasoned and I Guarantee you that no ju or su pilot wants to test their metal against it.
For certain. I don't see the USAF rushing to replace B-52s, either. It's the capability that counts, when other assets provide protection.
Some estronarily aircraft cannot make up the skill or experience of the pilot(s) who control the powerful lethal bird of the skies. A professional pilot knows himself by the way he know the skies and the advantages/disadvantages throughout he's opposition.
@@bluearmy6847 if you have an ace pilot in an su and a cadet pilot in a raptor the raptor will win. The su cant see it so the raptor locks and fires from 40 miles out. The su dives to gain speed and distance but looses altitude and it may get out of missile lock but the raptor now has the altitude advantage and sends two more love notes from 14k feet. Splash one su. Even a crappy pilot like me knows how to use that advantage. The same comes from a night vision setup. If one guy has NVG and his opponents don’t they are dead. There is a reason we call them force multipliers. It multiplies the abilities of the user.
@@brandonandreski1709 Same can be said about a F-15 pilot. It really doesn't matter how much training he have when he is up against a J-20 with IR missiles. He will have no clue that an enemy plane is behind him, and he will get no warning when an IR AAM approach him. He will just go down not knowing what hit him.
And by now there are probably more then double as many active J-20 then active F-22 = I would really not like to be a F-15EX pilot in 2022 :(
@@janhansen3753 Actually It can't because the J-20s radar signature is only stealth when facing its target radar. If it turns it shows up like a standard small aircraft. America's doctorin is all about detection and stealth when it comes to air to air. You will not see a wing of f-15s flying without a serious amount of ECM flying with it. The F-15 in a 1 vs 1 fight would detect the enemy aircraft and probably climb then come in at a high angle of attack. Keep in mind that to this day the f-15 has a perfect air to air track record.
Ultimate missile truck. Great speed, range, and payload.
This is the correct answer. The US will use F-15s as missile trucks outside of the range of SAMs. F-35s will pass along targeting data. Saturation missile salvos will destroy S-400 and S-500 SAM's. This video is just an advertisement for F-35s.
@@tadams1969 The F-15EX is only intended to fly over USA as it lack stealth. You cant use it abroad as it will need other planes doing things like electronic warfare, combat escort, and air-defense suppression.
The F-35 was created to do all these things in one plane making the F-35 a way cheaper option in the long run.
@@tadams1969 agree completely. Nobody needs a monster truck to roll to the corner grocery store. Those big expensive wheels are useful for wild land or deep snow.
@@janhansen3753 created to be cheap does not = reality. Unless you think > $35,000 per hour is cheap? Even an F-22 is cheaper per hour.
@@tryscience Yes, now. but with 1000 F-35's as the plan is, the price will fall. The more different planes the air force use, the higher expenses they will have for each plane.
The F-15 still makes a great defensive fighter & a fighter / bomber. It can get in fast, drop its ordinance & fly away at super sonic speed.
Without drop tanks, it's even faster (short range missions or disposable drop tanks circa end of WW2).
Once it's ordinance is dropped, it's a fast, lean mean, flying machine.
The word is "ordnance"
I'd love to see a version like this for the Typhoon!
Typhoon is already this version.
@@thelmaviaduct The Typhoon can only carry 8 missiles so it's not.
@@TravelRoss When was the last time 8 missiles were fired in A/A combat? 8 is as good as 20. Plus Meteor has much greater pK than Amraam, further range and so keeps the aircraft safer.
Being an F-15 pilot, something I highly respect, doesn't make you an historian. Germany was involved in making the highest tech, best fighters but because of the complexity and cost could only make so many, while we were using the P-47, a capable aircraft but we simply swamped them in aircraft production, when the P-51 came onboard it turned to a ground attack aircraft, something it wasn't made for but excelled at. I believe the energies should be toward updating the A-10, we currently have no aircraft that does what it does. Claiming the F-35 or Super Tuccano can replace it is a joke.
No one is claiming the Super Tucarno is replacing the A10, Educate yourself on the role of what the AF wants to use a light ground attack airframe for,
@@kennethcurtis1856, sorry, Father retired Air Force, big military family, that IS what they want to do, you NEED to educate Yourself before you go off insulting others.
@@Titus-as-the-Roman LOL, you tellem, have a big glass of STFU!! You said You were a actually eagle driver? So what do you think about how well the EX will actually do? I was hoping when I heard the EX was coming out they would put some of the STOL tech into it. Maybe some thrust vectoring, IRST? Would any of that actually help the F15 to keep up?
I'm by all means no fighter pilot, wanted to be One but just didn't pan out. I took a different route, one of my jobs was to go get you guys if you got shot down.
It seems that people think missiles are always 100% hit ratio??? And when your outnumbered and the missiles run out😕.
@@Woody-nc1ru sorry for the mis-understanding, Not in the Eagle seat, but respect those that are. Like you I always wanted to but just didn't happen, ended up maintaining the machinery used to keep these and other's flying.
@@Titus-as-the-Roman Ahhhh ok, no worries. Well I agreed with your comment to the utube expert.😁
I still miss the F14s. They sure looked tough and meant business with all its ordinance placed under its wings 🙃
I was a ADJ in the Navy before the Hornet existed. The Tomcat was then and in many ways still is a superior fleet protection asset and air superiority weapon compared to even the Super Hornet. I really hope the Navy doesn't come to regret sending them to the boneyard. And, it is in my opinion the sexiest airplane ever built.
The f-14 had no ordinance under its wings
@@joelynch7541 Oops! I meant armaments 👍
@El Gato Gordo it's carried under the wingroots near the intakes. All of that was attached to that Titanium Wing Box that was the main structure of the airframe.
Yeah... but very big size,,
They have different roles. The F-15 has more speed, higher ceiling, range, climb rate and payload. So as an interceptor it has many advantages.
I didn't know you were a pilot. Thank you for your service.
The F15EX is the only multi-role fighter capable of carrying our new Hypersonic Air-breathing Weapon Concept (HAWC). Furthermore, the F15 can carry a LARGE LOAD of replenishing weapons to forward airbases for use by the F22 and F35's.
I also understand that the F15EX can handle the deployment of any anti-Sattelite weapon, whereas the F22 and the F35 are too weak to handle the weight at such an elevation needed to pickle... These are some of the reasons the F15EX is called the pickup truck. SO THERE
It's an interim missile truck. It's not a frontline air superiority fighter. Its also far more reasonable to use these 4th gen fighters for air/ground missions once enemy air defenses are eliminated or majorly reduced.
Exactly and that's why we have F22,F35,F15,F18,F16 and A10s they all have a specific role in controlling any battle field. Personally I wouldn't mind having 10,000 F22s as our only fighter but that would limit the bribes and politics, can't have that ✌
the F-15EX features advanced avonics very simular to the F-35. Granted, it will never be a stelath fighter, but an excelent missle truck!
I just watched a sidewinder stimulator 1-F-22 vs 7- F15ES. One F-22 took out Seven F-15ES. The F-22 only had 4 long range missiles which is all the F-22 can carry. And still won. Proves this guy knows what he is talking about.
The F-15 EX could be given all of the sensor and avionic packages as the F-22 and F-35. There's no reason why its sensors and communications couldn't be the same. We could produce the EX by the thousands if we needed to do so. Russia has no ability to do that with their aircraft.
They proposed this but the end cost was too high.
FYI, the EX has the most powerful mission computer. Even more powerful than those incorporated in Lockheed's super expensive "invisible" stealth fighters.
The airframes for all the eagle fighters were to old and not worth having to gut and overhaul them with modern electronics. That’s why they are using the same airframe blueprint but the materials are brand new, modern electronics with the ability to upgrade software in the future.
Lee Stewart Yep. USAF has been doing avionics upgrades on aircraft for a long-long time. If the mfg's can't sell brand new designs to the DOD, they are plenty capable and willing to design upgrades for existing platforms.
Never underestimate the F15 with updated avionics which can detect threats over long distances, and with an experienced USAF fighter pilot is very formidable in a combat zone.
Yeah but anything a f15 can do a f35 can do better, it’s the same plane just upgraded to 5th gen, this guy flew f15 for 30 some years, I think he would know what a f15 is capable of.
@@arcadianwheat7499
One pilot's opinion is not written in stone. Training plus aircraft and experience do make a great pilot, but one pilot's opinion is just that. There are many other capable pilots and planes and tactics.
@@mavericklane6206 but some are better than others. The f-35 is just an upgraded f-15, everything about it.
Who are you talking to, the guy that flew them for 30yrs? He left more in the toilet this morning than you're ever going to know about Eagles.
@@roijoi6963 Nonsense, kind of like yourself.
Aside from Stealth capabilities, exactly what can't the F-15 be upgraded to do? And for alot less than the cost of a single 5th gen?
F-15 is the Rhodesian magazine chest rig for the F-35. In artillery terms, the F-35 is the forward observer. The F-15 is the artillery battery.
The Eagle has been my favorite since I was like 6 or 7 years old.
I still love it, but of course it's not going to compete well against newer warplanes.
However, I think the F15 will still hold her own in CERTAIN scenarios, if not dogfighting.
Watch Growling Sidewinder's simulation he'a using F-15 against an F-22 the result is 2 - 4 F-22 won but F-15 still did a great job. I love this beautiful fighter plane.
The F-35 is a lousy dog fighter, but it doesn’t have to be. Dog fighting is a thing of the past. So it doesn’t matter if the F15 can’t hold it’s own against more modern fighters in a dogfight either.
In stealth mode an F35 can only hold 4 missiles. So it goes in first takes out air defenses and directs fire for the F15-EX with it’s pod studded with missiles and bombs. Perfect combination. No doubt there will be some F22s on over watch to protect the F15s from enemy aircraft. I don’t think a one size fits all F35 solution is the best choice.
It has over a 200:0 kill ratio. We'll see.
@@bcreason They said that dog fighting was a thing of the past once before. Vietnam ring a bell? The F-15 was developed as a result because we didn't have a true air superiority fighter.
The F-15 is still a great dogfighter, the EX is even more agile than the C.
The Boeing F-15EX Eagle II will carry on the legacy of the Boeing F-15E Strike Eagle ( Mudhen ) as well as the McDonnell Douglas F-15C/D and F-15A/B Eagles that came before it! I honestly think it will do great against anything China has and pretty much anything Russia has as well. I have confidence in this new platform! 🇺🇸🦅
No one complains about the ancient B52
@@gregohb Was going to say the same thing. One day, an original pilot of the BUFF will see his great grandson flying one.
Keep on dreaming 🤡
The F-15 was way ahead of it's time when it was built. It was over built and over designed to meet what they thought was a super Russian fighter in the guise of the Foxbat. That's why it has been so dominant. And now, they have taken that platform and hotrodded with new engines, new fly by wire, larger missile capacity, stealth like paint, and don't forget that cannon. Also, the missiles that they are testing can be fired from even further away and can carry 12 of them!
i was an F-15 Crew Chief 90-94 stationed at Eglin and Kadena. Makes me wonder if I ever met the Narrator
Yeah, USAF brass wanted to ground the A-10 years ago as being mission ineffective, too.
I'm retired U.S.A.F served in SAC and PACAF the airforce brass are idiots today no way the F-35 can fulfill the A-10 mission and survivability plus she's just now stretching her wings Desert Storm and the combat mission's since then have proved it. To repeat it once again the AIRFORCE BRASS AND THE IDIOTS ON THE MILITARY APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE ARE DUMBER THAN THE BOX THE ROCK'S CAME IN!!!!
They hated it when I was in the USAF 75-80.
The only reason the A10 performed so well is because we used it against a force that had zero air defense systems. And 95% of their kills came from guided missiles and bombs, not the gun everyone loves so much. The A10 has no place in a modern battlefield.
A completely updated F15 EX would make a great second wave fighter once all of the anti-aircraft assets have been neutralized or greatly diminished. The F-15 to date as in air-to-air combat is still undefrdeated, that speaks volumes all by itself. Yes I know you get the people that say dog fighting is obsolete. This isn't entirely true but for the some part it is. But we are talking about after the first strike has taken place, the enemy his gotten a blow and already have a huge hole in their defenses. I'll still take the F-15 for conventional air combat any day of the week. Once the need for stealth has been implemented which is obviously survivability in a first strike to evade modern and Advanced Air Defense systems. A fighter such as the improved F-15 variant seems like a very viable and cost effective option.
The poster missed the important part. The F-15EX is serving as a missile truck for leading stealth platforms on missions
Next up: The P-51XRXO. Extended Range, Extra Ordinance. Mission profile: Guarding and test-landing at small aircraft landing strips, low altitude visual observation platform (while armed), short-range VIP transport. Works in tandem with F-35 security umbrella.
The F-15EX does not need to compete against Russia or China
its very capable in the role for homeland defense
The US military has plenty aircraft that can easily defeat whatever Russia or China has
Exactly. Since Biden did say us civilians would need F-15s and Nukes to take on our corrupt government
Russia also has a lot of jets that outsmart American once such as SU27,SU30,SU35
@@shayaldwarka7907 they don’t have many aircrafts…
@@shayaldwarka7907 Say what? Russia have ONE stealth plane model, and there are two working versions of it after the failure in Syria. The Su-30, Su-33, Su-34 and Su-35 are nothing but SU-27's that are modernized. The Su-27 is 45 year old now, and it was never built to have a low radar signature = Modern radars can pick them up at almost max. range. They are amazing planes in low tech areas, but against USA/NATO they don't stand a chance. Until Russia get succes with the electronic jamming they think is the future, their planes are nothing but sitting ducks for stealth airplanes that can fire on them unseen.
@@shayaldwarka7907. Russian and US jets are relatively rated shoulder to shoulder in all logistical aspects, however you've mislead people on some note that Russia has a lot of jets that outsmart US ones. US did by far overwhelmingly outnumbered Russia's combined fighter jets.
This new aircraft will be a Truck or a missile carrier. Flown behind f-22's and 35's
The last xx F-22's will be locked to defend US mainland in a major conflict. It will be the F-35 that will act as air superiority fighter in a major conflict. And if US stop producing the planned numbers of F-35's, USA will, for the first time since WW2, not have most modern planes in the skies.
and can still dogfight if needed.
@@SoloRenegade If USA meet China there probably will come dogfights, but the F-15EX will not be involved, they will be taken down at 200 km distance by PL 15 telephone poles. But the F-35 can easily end up dogfighting the J-20 as they are both hard to target at a distance. And that fight the F-35 will win as the J-20 cant turn very well.
@@janhansen3753 You're simply making stuff up. F-15s have operated in Desert Storm and such before just fine. You act like suddenly anything not a stealth is instantly obsolete, it's not. You childishly just jump to whatever looks and sounds new and coolest, and automatically fantasize its superiority, ignoring all current, past, and soon future tactics to counter a given threat.
At distance the F-15 hangs back and launches tens of missiles on the F-35/F-22 command (who are closer). Close in, if that happens, the F-15 is a capable dogfighter with an unmatched aerial record. Close it you can detect a stealth, and you can see a stealth with your eyes. And there are still other tactics and countermeasures.
@@janhansen3753 Simple, our airforce would use the same strategy of taking out the AA the same way they did in Iraq, against modern soviet AA missile systems, jamming them with hundreds of amps of radiation, from the F-15EX's counter missile suite, aswell as having dedicated planes to such a job aswell. They can't win the battle in the air yet.
I am glad that these good, old ... and beautiful planes are being upgraded and remain in operational use.
In the late ‘80’s the 23 TFS A-10 squadrons averaged 90% mission capable rates 👍😀
Once you have air superiority, or have wiped the enemies radar and 5th gen fighters these planes can still be very effective. Not every war is near peer either.
Homeland Defense too, not many enemy radars to worry about.
And you ass/u/me that the USAF will have air superiority? U think that China and Russia are inferior? One of the most basic rules of combat is to always accept that your enemy is better than you. That way you do not get handed your A$$ in combat.
Russia and China's problem is that their tech is in many ways hopelessly behind that of the United States, and their pilots don't receive nearly the training of their American counterparts. Russia and China don't even have true 5th generation fighter jets. The SU-57 and the J-20 are at best 4.5 generation platforms. Only the U.S. operates true 5th generation fighter jets, and the USAF revealed well over a year ago that it had already flown a 6th generation fighter jet. The U.S. established air superiority by the end of the Second World War, and isn't likely to relinquish it any time soon, if ever. Total dominance of the sky is U.S. military doctrine.
F-14, F-15 and F-16 three of my favorite fighters. Navy you know.
Me,too.Just to let you know,I also love F---15 Strike Eagles specially the newly---introduced,all---advanced and all---highly sophisticated F---15 EX Strike Eagles,F---18 Super Hornets and F---14 Tomcats as well as the F---16 "Fighting Falcons or Vipers " and most of all and that includes the F---22 Raptors and the F---35 Lightning II ADIR 5th generation Stealth multi---role fighters,Elijah Hodges.Semper Fidelis
@@gregpineda8660 Agreed to all of that. F-22 Raptor and the F-35 Lightning II are clearly beyond what I imagined in the 1970's. Semper Fi to you too.
@@elijahhodges4405 u sure it's beyond what u imagined well people thought we would have flying cars in 2020s lol probably they imagined the jet from avenger which can be invisible
I like the P-51 Mustang, but that doesn't mean I think it's suitable for active military service over the next few decades.
I had a feeling that you might have a military background. I like this channel even more.
When the F15 is coming off the bench, you know your starters are phenomenal
The load capacity, speed, and strength (survivability) of the F15 is unsurpassed and this in conjunction with its updated avionics / electronics will make it a good bet against any unproven Russian or Chinese adversary. Russia has again proven that they are not up to the standards we feared them to be. China has even less experience in actual battle testing. We do not want to underestimate our adversaries and the 6th generation will hopefully go beyond the F22, while skipping the speed limitations of the F35. Thank you for your expertise and your service!
I was just a simple infantryman, but the continuation of the F15 seems like a hedge against the sheer number of aircraft in service in China and Russia - although the later's ability to meaningfully deploy theirs is clearly in question.
The Chinese and Russian air forces are tiny bro. And half of those aircrafts are used for parts, not flyable.
Yeah the U.S. army and navy have more aircraft than both
The added bonus of air frame cracking on the F35 is just a cherry on top of it's lifespan that is 1/3 that of the F15.
You've also overlooked with AIM-260 coming online, the Eagle will have a missile to make up with that incredible radar. Not to mention hypersonic weapons that neither the F35 nor F22 can carry. The F15EX will be able to accept data link from the F35 as well in TR3. While the NEAD will be small in number the F15EX is a force multiplier carrying 12 AIM-260s or as a tactical bomber.
The first time I walked up to an F-15, I thought, "Man, this thing is far bigger than I imagined!"
I think the f15 ex was made for a stop gap measure. Carry a large amount of missile while the f35 would help prioritize targets and air threats and a larger scope of situational awareness, however as the 6th gen aircraft would enter and other far advance drones that will be the sunset for the f15s.
It appears to me to be a subsidy to Boeing who can really use it after problems with: well, everything
Great video(s)! On top of that, a good "radio voice" presenting. Ok, I'm an F-15 fan for ever, and understand what you said.... However, if this holds true, what about the other "role aircraft" such as the B-52 & A-10? And, what do you think about the F-22 Raptor? Your thoughts? USAF Vet here. AIM HIGH! (Thanks for YOUR service and an F-15 Driver, NICE!)
The service life of the new F-15 is three time longer than the F-35.
I'm no expert, but from what I can tell, one of the the main weaknesses of 5th gen fighters compared to 4th gen (ignoring costs) is weapons load (due to need store internally). My prediction is that there will be increased use of 4th gen fighters (and drones) as weapons carriers/systems integrated with 5th gen fighters. The 4th gen fighters would loiter back and 5th gen fighters would target and control the weapons systems of the drones and 4th gen fighters. The 4th gen fighters would not be invulnerable to opposing attack but I am sure the vulnerabilities could be minimized significantly by distance.
The misunderstood thing about 5th gen is that they HAVE to carry weapons internally. That is not true. Pylons can be attached to F-22 and F-35 at any moment to allow to carry additional weaponry externally and perform operations as well as any 4th gen fighter jet. However, that does put a damper on it's stealth capability.
This is why F-15 is still needed as why do one or the other when you can have both at the same time? F-22s and F-35 are in the frontline, even beyond it, taking down critical targets like enemy combat air patrol, AWACS and SAM sites, while F-15's swoop in and unload their hoard of missiles into mission targets that are left defenseless. F-35s can infact guide those missiles after F-15 has fired it from a safe distance.
Otherwise, once air superiority is achieved, 5th gen planes can be equipped with pylons to carry additional ordnance.
F 15Ex can have cfts and drop tanks ferry range beyond 4000 kms range so its not bad...
This is incredible work thank you so for sharing this with us. Incredible work.
Once you've flown a fighter jet what's left after that. Life is downhill after that. Simply incredible
A threesome with Russian, Swedish, and Brazilian fashion models?
Going into space as an astronaut. Being the guy that fly's the space ship.
I worry that, in making procurement and funding decisions, Congressmembers prioritize jobs in their district over other considerations such as capability and cost-effectiveness.
Yea they’ve been doing that since Bush
Hopefully there are enough among them to consider the future in addition to the present.
Patti Murray as head of procurement has kept Boeing up front even if she had to overlook deficiencies and costs. Good liberal. Hated the war but wanted it funded. 🙈🙉🙊🐮💩
They just like to waste money. I work for the Treasury department and have to buy my own, pens, legal pads, and three hole punches.
@@boejiden7093 - They have been doing that forever... way before Bush. You just wasn't at the age to recognize it.
F-15 (bludgeon/brute force)
F-22/35 (Scalpal/precision)
Each one has their role to play.
More like F-15 (outdated cold war long range missile platform) and F-22 (advanced but super expensive air superiority).
Compare the capabilities of a Eurofighter and Rafale to an F-15, and its frankly embarassing that the US is even considering F15-EX'. The F-15 is an inherently outdated airframe, it has poor maneuvrability both in low and high altitude/speed regimes, high drag, high radar signature, limited payload, no supercruise, etc. The EX wont change much about that.
And its hardly even cheaper, the F-15 was never designed to be a low cost fighter and the modern tech like radars are so expensive that even your budget F-16s sometimes cost almost as much as Rafales.
Im not even gloating about this, being european, but this is really bad for NATO and especially the situation in the south china sea. America has no modern, dedicated fighter aircraft besides the limited arsenal of F-22s, while China is mass producing J-20s. Even american missile tech is way out of date, fricking russia has hypersonic cruise missiles, while americans hardly even posesses supersonic cruise capability. European air to air missiles are way superior to american cold war stuff. The US navy is actually loosing firepower and capabilities despite increased spending.
Idk, the US still has the most powerful military, but theres something deeply wrong with it. Like it was just screwing around the last 20-40 years.
@@termitreter6545 Can the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Turkey, and Poland defeat Russia and Belarus all by themselves? If no then wtf are you doing? If each country I listed had a military 1/4 the size of Russia’s then six of them should have a military 1.5 times Russia’s.
@@termitreter6545 Comic book analysis. Look at the radar, AIM. Mach 2 launch of F15. One never been lost to air air combat, despite a huge number of encounters.
@@Nill757 Thats a bunch of meaningless buzzwords.
@@termitreter6545 AIM-120 is not a buzzword. It’s a great A2A missile, 99 mile range now. F15 radar is not a buzzword. It’s the best radar at distance in the air. Launching a missile at M2 is a huge boost to closing time and range. And you’re simply wrong about “limited payload” for F15. You need to go bomber to beat it w combat aircraft.
That’s awesome you were a fighter pilot. Best job in the world I think. Thank you for you’re service as well brotha… 🇺🇸
Thank you for your service.
I recall seeing an F15 make an Emergency landing at Lakland, AFB, in Texas, during basic training back in Nov or Dec 1969 ! We were blown away by its futuristic design, mostly the twin tail.
Exactly 30 years later I saw one make an emergency landing in Okinawa. I didn't really get the nature of the emergency until seeing the plane land, both of its vertical stabilizers/rudders were missing.
About 20 years ago, I saw an F-15 landing in Africa, I was amazed to see this. There, one pilot's cabin sat down and the landing was made on a field, he plowed 150 meters of sown fields. Then I realized that this is the coolest plane that can be in the universe.
famously an Israeli F15 landed with half a wing blown off
Cook story Kevin, considering the F-15 didn't fly for the fist time until 1972. Guess you saw an emergency time traveling landing huh?
@@spectre06x could have been test flights during development or prototypes. I believe F15 program started about 1969
F-15EX isn't meant to be a frontline fighter now, just to get bombs/missiles to the frontline, with support of more capable fighters like the F-35. Operating costs per hour of the F35 are just two high to just have a F35 fleet. I'm not convinced that the operating costs of maintaining a stealth fighter would be on par with a non-stealth fighter.
You would still need F-35's to run ECM and AAW for the F-15's. That makes the F-15EX way more expensive to run than the F-35
Yes expensive cannon fodder. I remember when the US invented new planes.
Bill, never knew of your past experience. Appreciate your insight and wisdom, most channels are suspect in their background and reporting. Subscription earned
A very cogent explanation from someone who should know. Convinced me that modified 4th generation fighters are not the way to go.
As recent Thailand/China War games have proven, aggressors are much greatly disadvantaged at Beyond Visual Range engagements, and will be the F15's bread and butter until the 4th + gen and 5th gen are taken care of. Remember Russia has limited numbers and China has a relatively "Mechanical" response to threats.
Underestimating China at this point seems a bit ill-advised.
@@phamnuwen9442 China is always behind trying to catch up. They look good on paper though.
@@frankcrawford416 What's your assessment of the hypersonic missile that totally caught the US military off guard the other week?
@@ARCHCOMPO What is your point? The West needs to be able to defend itself regardless if the CCP is the modern equivalent of the Nazis or not.
@@ARCHCOMPO Oh, I just saw that you used three exclamation marks. This is usually not an indicator of forthcoming rational arguments. But go on.
Good video. I love the F-15, too. I built a model of it when it first came out in the 70's. The biggest mistake was stopping F-22 production. Bob Gates wasn't very good as Secretary of defense. Obama was horrible to the military.
I strongly disagree. How many wars and battles has the F-22 fought in the last 20 years??? 0
How many enemy planes has it shot down in anger? 0.
The F-22 was built to fight WWIII in the world stuck in the 1980s.
There is not one enemy the US has fought in the last 40 years that its 4th generation planes could not take care of.
In today's world if there was a World Wat its be all about cruise and ballistic missiles, space, cyber warfare and anti missile technology.
Within the first 24 to 48 hours of a world War, I don't care what kind of 5th generation warplanes you have, they would be sitting ducks in their air field and aircraft carriers.
So would their maintenance crews, command centers, their fuel and weapons depots.
Why? That is because there is not one air base in the world including deep inside of the US Mainland itself that is out of range of Chinese and Russian cruise and ballistic missiles.
Within 30 minutes they can hit anywhere on the globe.
And even if your planes take off before that where would they land when they run out of fuel, where would they resupply with weapons and do maintenance.
It's all about ballistic and cruise missiles now.
The warplanes is only for dealing with countries with 3rd tier militaries and for those countries US 4th generation planes were more than a match for them.
@@danwelterweight4137 Your points regarding the F22 are quite true.
All the rest are shaky. Unless airbases are being attacked by nuclear weapons , cruise and ballistic missiles are vulnerable to ground based air defence systems.
All major bases employ layered, base defence weapons. Ground based systems are becoming very formidable and would deal quickly with an incoming cruise missile strike.
That's an gross under statment
The f22 is amazing
@@danwelterweight4137 MP gets it. @Dan your logic is 100% flawed.
The F-15 was unparalleled in it's day. Sporting a perfect air to air record of 103-0, it will go down in history as one of the most dominant fighter jets ever created. However, without stealth, thrust-vectoring, super-cruise, and many other things, it won't stack up well against 5th gen fighters or new enemy Surface to Air Missile threats.
Those are 5th gen capabilities it will not have the 6th gen as well. It's already outdated, we are just lucky that we are the ones with the aircraft that outdate it but that wont be the same in the new 2 to 9 years.
Your off your head mate, I believe you misunderstood the F15 EX. It was never going to be used as an air superiority fighter but as a garrison aircraft, heavily loaded up with ordinance of all varieties including the newest and in development munitions. Including the cannon ammo this puppy can carry 13.5 tonnes of freedom. Sitting of at the edge of the battle space the EX using Link 16 digital data link the EX will be able to swap sensor information with all other equipped aircraft on its all new complete glass cockpit. Other more modern stealth aircraft in the battle area will be able to task the EX to launch weapons from its huge arsenal against targets the pilot never even sees. This may look like an F-15 but believe me, the comparison ends there.
IT may not be stealth however it doesn't need to be, its a bomb truck for the real stealth aircraft.
I felt the same way you do when they phased out the F-4...that was my fighter plane of choice...All 2300 hours
mig 28 best fighter ever
@@epicspaces9434 lol
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Peace from Venezuel (a country under the same evil mother fuc...)
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Based on the recent performance of the Russian Air Force I think it may be more of a competitor than thought
How many FMC fighters can Putin generate and sustain?? How comparable are their pilots?? How well do Israeli F-15's perform over Syria?? Don't overestimate the competition.
@@F15CEAGLE Zero, Zero/Not comperable, Not so great because of russians giving location data to the enemy. Theres your answers.
The more situational awareness you give to a competent pilot, as long as the platform is reliable and stable, odds will be in his favor.
Focus on the next generation of fighters instead of fielding near-term capability? Would an F15 EX or a generation 5/6 fighter be ready to field first (assuming generation 5 fighter output can be increased)? I think therein lies your answer, it is based in no small part on urgency. Also it can carry "out-sized" munitions the F35 cannot. The US is developing much longer ranger anti-radar (to take out SAM sites), air-to-air, and repurposed real-time tracking anti-ship missiles and bombs. What would make sense is a platform that is very fast, high-flying, and had a good armament payload... all of which the F15 has in spades. An F15 EX can sling a missile / bomb at Mach 2.0 a LOT further than an F35 which has achieved sustained speeds much lower than the Mach 1.6 it was meant to fly (and therefore the F15 has a much better stand-off capability). I'm not sayin the F15 EX is a better aircraft than the F35... but after the initial phases of the fight when stealth and cruise missiles are used to neutralise most of the surface to air threats there is no reason that reliable generation 4 fighter-bombers shouldn't come to the forefront in a (hopefully theoretical) conflict again - especially when used along with electronic warfare / stealth platforms. Also, I am a bit confused
I agree, this seems to view air combat like the "knights of the air" in WW1. The EX will be part of a combined package and packs a punch F35 can't bring. Also those wealthy capable adversaries are working feverishly to defeat stealth.
@@babychuma1 sounds like you have done your research. Thanks.
So, USA should stop new programs and go the Russian way where "development" is just upgrading planes and give them a higher model number? Use 45 year old 4th generation planes?
Because you cant get it all, the F-15 will be more expensive per hour then the F-35 = You need to take the money from the development programs.
AND you will need other planes to jam for the F15EX, to run escort for the plane and to clean up the battlefield for the plane. Why not just create a Boing 747 with a Sh*t load of missiles instead of the F-15EX? If the ground are cleared for radars and SAM sites it really doesn't matter what plane you use`. And the range, a 747 can stay in the air for ever with an assortment of missiles (This IS a joke)..
A F-35 can do everything a F15EX need three planes to do for it.
Oh, and the next generation US fighter have been flight tested already. But as long as funding are being put in 45 year old planes, development will be slow.
@@babychuma1 Russia have 570 modern air superiority fighters of which around 450 are ready to take of here and now. Who is it the F-15EX is going to fight? 23 F15-ex can carry more AAM then all the planes Russia have?
IF the US air force get the 1000 FIFTH GENERATION STEALTH F-35 they want, they can carry more than TEN AIM-120D missiles per Russian air superiority fighter that exist (And dont forget the 186 F-22 Raptors that can carry 6 AIM-120D missiles each = 2½ more per Russian fighter). And the F-35 can operate in enemy airspace without the need for jamming planes, Stealth escort planes and Anti radar planes supporting it.
And with the planned 1000 F-35's (Which could be delivered WAY faster if US didn't waste money on historic planes that rolled out in the cold war) it will be 20% cheaper to operate a F-35 then the F-15EX.
And, the F.15EX is only intended as a defensive fighter over USA, it is not built to participate in wars outside USA. You can't use it against any Russian backed country as they have mobile SAM systems with passive radars. Where the Russian SAM systems would need active radar to even have a chance to track F-35 and F-22's, it would be able to track a F-15EX from a long distance using the passive Tropa radar only. And you cant use ARM missiles against passive radars = You need F-35's to play Wild Weasel's to lure the enemy to turn on the radars before you get space for a F-15 EX can enter an area.
The F-15EX COULD go low to avoid the passive tracking, but have you read about the new SA-25 MANPADS system? It is not a healthy place for a plane anymore.
There is a reason the F-15EX fleet is intended to protect homeland USA against the 4000 planes they can shoot down if the enemy doesn't fly in stealth planes that is.. But even at home it is way crappier then the F-22 that doesn't need to risk being shot down when it intercept a possible enemy.
Thank you, this video ANNOYED THE HELL OUTTA ME! How an supposed f-15C Vet doesn't see the value in a completely Modernized 4++ Gen missile-Truck F-15 with i think 14 Pylons or some ridiculous number, An EXCELLENT AESA with EW Capability. Not just to be an missile truck for the 5th and 6th Gens, but WAY more importantly can SAVE THE EXPENSIVE AIRFRAMES OF THE 5/6 gens as NOT EVERY MISSION REQUIRES 5TH GEN!!!!
ok, first off.. the F-15EX is NOT solely designed for air superiority. It's a 4+ Gen Strike Eagle. Second, It's absolutely still capable in an air superiority role. The radar and kinematics are still better than everything else, so once the AIM-260 comes out it's going to sling them way further than an F-35 is going to be able to. The higher and faster a fighter can go further and more lethal its BVR missiles are and increases the chances of defeating income missiles and the F-15 is still very fast and carries a lot of weapons.
That's one of the biggest issues with stealth fighters flying air superiority. They simply can't carry enough missiles internally. A lot of people are talking about the F-15EX being a missile truck for 5th gen fighters, but what they're not considering is that it can also guide the stealth fighters missiles from stand-off ranges with its powerful radar, allowing the F-22/35 to keep their radars off and avoid being detected by the enemies radar warning receivers.
The fact is that in BVR the F-15C is still an absolute monster, and the EX is even better because of its increased networking compatibility. The SU-35 might have an advantage in WVR but pilots do whatever they can to avoid WVR. When flying as a 4 or even 2 ship the less effective things like thrust vectoring become. If you look at the F-15EX and think that because it's not 5th gen then it's useless then you don't know what you're talking about and you're looking at this through a very narrow lens.
Yes you tell that to a guy who flew f15 for 40 years….The original poster of this video.
I mean your Google research is far superior to someone who who flew the god damn jet!
@@eggnogs Logical fallacy, the argument from authority. even if everything you've said is true(which it isn't). That doesn't refute my argument.
@@MrFarnanonical it does indeed refutes your argument because what you are saying is pure6opinion and fictional without any actual evidence. Anyone can regurgitate what they read on google or wikipedia, it does not make you an expert on the matter.
I think the 8 or more 260's slung under an f15 which has targets painted by data link may actually be quite intimidating.
F35 looks cool, growing up when I was a kid I used to pretend I was a f23 jet pilot on my bike lol, I loved aircraft ,especially fighters, my god the beauty!!!
It be ashamed some of these legendary aircraft have come to expired by the 20th century, but from their experience they help contribute building and gaining knowledge of new way of Warfare, and how we can be ready with the 5th generation strike fighters. Eventually they too will began train our next Gen aircraft of further future combat.
"The EX can do none of these things." One has to wonder how much Lockheed paid this man. The F-15 EX is the only affordable option for the flight hours required by the USAF. The F-35 may be capable, and the pilots love it, but they don't see the financial aspect of the systems they operate. Stealth is not a critical system capability in all scenarios, availability however... is.
Stealth is only good when you want to sneek. Once you stop seeking you need ordinace and lots ... missile with miles of range then too makes stealth a bit of useless
Bingo. Welcome to the Military Industrial Complex. The place where retired officers go to grift.
Totally agree. F15 EX will do great.
I do wish we had some more F22s though. Always good to have the top-end air superiority weapons available too. Just expensive and finicky to maintain as all hell…
You can’t bring an F150 truck to race where everyone else are using Supercars… That’s when you go get you a Hypercar “F-35”. I hope that clear things up a bit.
@@Ob1Chosen1 f35s aren’t air-dominance dedicated fighters dude. We need the plane being built to replace the F22-raptor. That should do the trick. But having a volume of much cheaper F15s will be helpful-in a real fight you lose equipment and these are much cheaper to replace-but I would prefer replaceable stuff to be unmanned though-let drones do some dirty work and then go in with manned material of the highest tech such as the raptor upgrades…
@5:25 from which plane has this footage been shot?
Did you just call our defense budget “restrictive?”
Both aircraft are such beautiful machines to look at. Pretty much every combat aircraft the US had ever fielded has been a beautiful and terrifying machine. The F-35 is one that just looks better to me every time I see it. It looks like a hawk in mid-dive.
Dear Lockheed-Martin Marketing Dept.,
Thank you for your interesting video. I'm pleased that you hired one of the better narrators on RUclips, it's always a pleasure to listen to him. Of course, he just reads the script placed in front of him, so I don't necessarily fault him for making it sound like a veteran F15 pilot was narrating everything in the video. I was able to detect two or three quotations from an alleged pilot, and they were intermixed with content from your sales brochure. Other than that, great job!
hmmmm.... I have a great reading voice... what do they pay?
So you are an F-15 pilot?
Bring back a modernized FB-111 for use after air superiority is achieved. Please.
but since all those technologies are readily available and the F15 platform is huge then it stands to reason that a redesigned and update F15 would be packed with most if not all of those techs, specifically sensor fusion and new multirole radars and targeting systems.