How Norris and McLaren Keep Throwing Away Race Wins
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Makes you appreciate the Max and Red bull combo more, they are not perfect but they work the best together and get everything they can.
Yeah, especially this last race. I was so confused when Max went out on hard but realised that was actually a brilliant strategy. Might not be enough but if we count how out of pace that RB on 1st stint, a good strategy and driver can make a difference.
They’re a team built from ground up to win. Everything they do is worked to perfection. And it’s needed coz one slip up in pitstop and they were hunted in Austria
Same with all dominant racers: Hamilton, Vettel, Schumacher, ect
@@brendan7591Hamilton & Mercedes not so much, "only" 5 wins in a row with the fastest formula 1 ever
@@29pesos51 It wasn't the fastest formula one car ever...and they also had title challenges until the summer break for most of the time. Also Bottas was a good driver, just not world champion quality but he would look like a WDC next to Checo!
A big part about beating Verstappen is being ready psychologically. He’s the king of making his rivals feel uncomfortable
Lool who has he made feel uncomfortable
Not to mention Max can play mind games just like Schumacher.
@@MalcolmTann0 how else you explain golden boy lando bottling everything?
@@rhyszera not my golden boy he’s a fraud
LOL foh bro
McLaren in 2024 is making Ferraris 2022 title fight actually look respectable and that’s not even a compliment to Ferrari 🤣
Nah Ferrari had a truly awful season, Sainz was laughably bad most of the time by his standards and Charles/Xavi made some truly groundbreaking decisions like double stacking with no warning and losing the race, Unlike Ferrari in 2022, McLaren still has some stuff going for them and Piastri has been doing his job even if the team and the FIA’s track limits division seem to be out for his head
@@El_Nano2005Ferrari had the fastest car up until Spa. McLaren have only had the fastest car at 3 races this season. It’s not even remotely comparable 💀
@@manavkumar6590McLaren have been fastest at Miami, imola, Canada, Spain and silverstone, and arguably Austria asw
@@El_Nano2005 facts but the only difference is wheel to wheel leclerc was much more composed than what Norris is showing now plus until now McLarens only win was literally through a safety car in Miami and the way they threw that win away at silverstone to when either driver could have won that race was crazy
@@enricoli1059 Nope. Wrong. In Canada, Mercedes were fastest - Russell himself admitted that. In Austria, Red Bull were fastest - Verstappen topped every session and took pole by four tenths. In Imola, Red Bull were quite clearly faster than McLaren on mediums whilst McLaren were faster on hards. The cars were equal. McLaren were only fastest at Miami and Spain.
If the McLaren’s were perfect this video would be titled: Can Lando and McLaren challenge Max for the Championship?
what is it with McLaren and the word if.
Its almost ferrari level of throwing race wins away, its just insulting
Hypotheticals hold no weight
@@justinburley8659 wrong
Lando norrIF
I feel like we need to go back to Oscar's performance against Max during the Spa Sprint. Oscar fought tooth and nail with a weaker car but kept it clean, garnering serious respect from Max.
Other than spreading your Oscar bias into other's comment sections, this is relevant to what? I could just as easily say, I feel like we need to go back to Lando's performance against Lewis during Austria (2021, 2023) and Silverstone (2023) defending in a weaker car or at least car on slower tires in the Silverstone case - fought tooth and nail, kept it clean, garnering serious respect from Lewis.
Oscar is so overrated man he can't even beat Lando on pure pace idk how you believe he will even be a threat to Max
He cannot even beat Lando or even closing the gap on Lando, forget about Max.
@flintey360 Oscar gets shagged by a 10 inch pole in silverstone and still keeps composure while lando starts crying the moment things don’t go well.
@@flintey360 he has 1 and a half years of experience, Lando has 6, his average quli gap is like 0.100
Easy, race winning car ≠ race winning team
and race winning team + non race winning car = win (Mercedes)
@@GameOver-nm2us and racing winning driver + non race winning car = Max Verstappen
@@NicotineRosberg non race winning car? Have you seen the start of the season? The redbull has been consistent fastest/second fastest this season
@@GameOver-nm2us this is the RUclips comment section. U must be fun at parties
@@NicotineRosberg what does this being a comment section have to do with anything
I'm glad to see a video like this. If Lando wants to be winning championships this can't keep happening. It's not good enough and it needs to improve, Lando's had 6 seasons now, there's no excuses for me. Leaving the door open for Max in Austria's sprint, unacceptable. The operation side of the team need to improve as well. Canada and Silverstone being key moments, if they pit Oscar when they pit Lando he likely wins provided he still put the mediums on. I think Oscar will improve but Oscar needs to cut out silly errors too.
5:39 No, Land probably won't have won the Austrian race if he passed Max, because he was already tagged for a tracklimit penalty which was confirmed later. Max could have stayed within 5 sec from him and still win. That was doable.
tbf that rule is pretty shit but yes he wouldn't have won
Aldas mentioned the fact that the race engineer is important, but didn't mention Bono or GP by name. Just as Max and Lewis are top level drivers, their engineers are also top level compared to the rest. I love that F1 is such a team sport.
as an australian oscar piastri fan, man is it hard to like mclaren atm. id love to see OP in that second red bull seat. i think he kind of personifies a red bull athlete tbh
he could be the lead driver for mclaren in standing if it wasn't for the penalties in those 2 races.
@@vanshwadhwani281I‘d love to see that calculation because I can’t get to that conclusion no matter how hard I try
Give him time. Oscar has the potential to crush Lando with more experience.
So you want your driver to commit career suicide lol
lets not forget Oscar is only in year 2... he is miles ahead of where Norris was at the same time.
Putting Charles with the like of Fernando and Lewis on not making mistakes under pressure is wild. Plenty of times Charles takes too much risk and loses it in the corner, Austria 2022 being the perfect example
Yess someone spoke abt it thnx my man
He won and overtake Max 3 times on track during Austria 2022, wtf are u on lmao ?
@@tommasogentile2175Bit of a stupid comment the other guy made, but Charles definitely isn’t in the same league as Lewis or Max. He’s like Lando; plenty of raw speed but error-prone.
@manavkumar6590 I would say that Charles is one level below Max, while Lando is two levels below.
Charles showed that he's capable to fight and beat Max on track as long as he has the car, Lando is yet to do it once.
@@viniciusbraga9881 Lando is just as good as Charles, if not better. He matched Charles last season in an overall slower car. The 2023 McLaren was a tractor for the first 8 races and even then, Ferrari were clearly faster in Austria, Spa, Monza, Vegas and Singapore.
That Mclaren in Max's hand would have won all the races since Maimi. There is a lot more speed in that car.
You know this how? The fact that Lando and Oscar are so routinely qualifying and finishing next to one another makes me believe they're getting the maximum out of it in terms of performance (maybe not results due to operational/strategic issues)?
@@brandonhollis9882 we can never know but the fact that Max is keeping up and/or beating them with a slower car is something that proves, that Max brings a car to it's limits. I'm sure that Max would achieve his 2023 level with the Mclaren.
@@brandonhollis9882 Just like last year,Max would be able to put consistent laps make good use of McLaren's slow degradation, open a humongous gap, dominate a boring race. We have seen the McLaren is so much easier on it tyres, good at all types of tracks. The fact that Oscar was matching Max last gp shows how fast the McLaren is on race trim. Oscar has shown that he does lack a bit of pace in the race compared to Lando and him having put lap times on Max shows how much faster the McLaren is on the correct tyres.
@@kaisersamuel9921 With McLaren's car, maybe. With McLaren's team, no
Yes, definitely
the problem with being out in front but only by a small margin is that you tend to be very conservative to protect the position which leaves you vulnerable to aggressive strategy behind, and a midfield team that is often used to reacting to the cars around it will find itself caught in the headlights. norris and piastri running 1 and 2 just before the switch to inters was a prime example, and mclaren chose the conservative route to split their strategies
One clear distinction between championship teams and "good" teams is their approach to pit stops. Top teams like Red Bull or Mercedes don't waste time giving their drivers audiobook-style lectures about tires. They either make the decision themselves or pit immediately after the drivers make their choice. And I can’t deny it’s satisfying to see McLaren and Norris struggling with a losing streak despite having the fastest car, especially after they previously downplayed the challenges other drivers face in winning.
that's a bit toxic to say but i agree cuz holy shit all the people all the time are like "oh it's the car it's the car"
it's not just the car. the car is the first step. then you should have a good team and a good driver and good communication to fight for wins. otherwise teams like Merc and RBR are just gonna fist-fuck you the entire time. to me Mclaren and Lando as of now aren't a threatening combination ... sort of how i felt about ferrari in 2022 the team that could actually challenge RBR is Merc ... but they're too far back in terms of point which is a shame.
Lando' race engineer is Xavi's english cousin
I agree there. The McLaren drivers and their mechanics seem to have found a nice sweet spot of set up and adjustments, which shows in constant great performances in qualifying.
But all that performance falls apart the moment they're 1st and completely go "What should we do next?" "I don't know, I've never come this far". Having a debate while racing about what tires should be used is completely unnecessary. If the race engineer realizes that the driver is too overwhelmed to make a sound decision, he should simply decide for himself, based on the information he gathered over the race. Every race engineer communicated in the beginning how shit the softs were and McLaren boasted before the race how they are the only team with a completely fresh set of mediums left. 90% of the entire dry race was done on mediums and the only drawback was the graining at the end of the tires life. That wouldn't have been an issue though, because the set was brand new and it was the last stint, only half of the expected life of the tires. So how do you get in a situation where you ask "Who should we cover with the tires?" instead of simply doing what not other team can do and put the best choice of tires on, no matter who's in front or behind? Oscar showed how capable the new mediums were by jumping several positions, those tires on Lando could have easily meant 1st place as Hamilton was struggling on the softs as expected, so that should have been a possible overtake and Verstappen would have been behind Hamilton without a chance to get into strike distance.
@@Frostbyte-Game-Studio "otherwise teams like Merc and RBR are just gonna fist-fuck you the entire time" I am fucking laughing my balls out.
As a McLaren fan this video was rough. But everything is so on point. As a collective there's a lot they have to improve
Definitely. Especially now with what happened in Hungary...
Great video. I often feel Lando is a bit too hard on himself for not being at Lewis/Max’s level yet. Under pressure and in the heat of battle, those two in particular seem to elevate beyond what seems possible - which can cause their rivals to be more error prone than they ordinarily would be.
The Silverstone's situation is the worst stategy wise. Especially since Oscar cleary knew the mudium was the best. While on Lando side his engineer basically asked him if he wanted to finish first or second. Of course he choose to aim for the first place.
The logic is already horribly wrong in the first place and what's even worse is far too many Lando's pointless discussion with Will Joseph. First and foremost, why the hell Will Joseph asking Lando who should Lando cover?!😡😡😡. Secondly, there is no such thing that Will Joseph don't have Max's and Lewis's lap times during that point
Great video. It touches on a lot of points people have been glossing over. It’s not as easy as just having a great car and winning in it, you have to be able to cope with the pressure and keep your drivers confident, and this video sums that up perfectly
No offence but that's a cop out. Look at 2020, Merc built the quickest F1 car to date, and with 5x the dnfs, Max finished only 9 points behind Bottas and in the second Silverstone race, he angrily told the team he wouldn't protect his tyres because it was his only chance at a win. Max is a killer, Lando is a lover. Zak brown spends his days moaning about teams and drivers and Christian spends his days eating Coco pops, if Redbull had that car , Max would have won every race since Miami
@@crztank9298 Your points about Max’s mentality and adaptability hold truth but in the end it’s all speculation. Lewis, for example, has an extremely different mentality and is still the most decorated driver in F1 history. Max is adaptable but loves to have his car right on the nose and very oversteery, and the McLaren is known for being a very different car to drive than anything else on the grid. We can’t know if he would be better because it’s just a what-if.
Lando seems like this generation's David Coulthard.
Room-temperature IQ take. What does that make Piastri? 9-3 down against Norris in qualifying and races 😂
@@manavkumar6590 still piastri's second season in f1
@@Jahxr So what? Leclerc beat Vettel in his second season. Norris matched Sainz, who everyone now knows is a great driver. Hamilton won the title
@@Jahxr Doesn’t change the fact that Lando is a lot better than Coulthard ever was
@@manavkumar6590 If you acknowledge how badly Mclaren have robbed Piastri of results, you wouldnt be looking at those stats with opinion/perspective. It's ridiculous what they've done to him.
The McLaren strategy team have become the Ferrari strategy team
Their strategy team are very good, but they have to beat Hannah every race weekend!
@@MrRofl131bro, this silverstone is the 2nd time Mclaren made wrong calls. This time in Silverstone Mclaren made 2 horrible blunders in that race alone already. The first one is at start of wet phase during that race: Why Mclaren no double stacking which must be done to cover off Merc double stack stop. The second one is on Lap 37 onwards when towards slick tyres: Will Joseph definitely got the lap times of both Lewis and Max by that point. So why the hell Will Joseph is asking Lando cover off who? What's even worse is obviously from lap times of Lewis and Max, cover off Max is the right call Mclaren have to made but end up cover off Lewis which is utter wrong call
Inaki Ruedua really came back to life but in Mclaren
this silverstone grand prix shows why Lewis is the best when comes to on-the-spot strategy calls on track and communication with Bono. Lando has to learn this in hard way, he got to be decisive. Both austria and silverstone shows Lando's indecisiveness on track
Max made better calls then lewis in silverstone…
@@koendejong6613 bro, do u really watch that race? Max already out of contention for that race win anyway. And then the idiots on Mclaren, i mean wtf are they thinking!? No point covering off Max when Mclaren way ahead of Red Bull and Merc already closing in hard and fast. When I saw that live, I almost bloody screaming bad words out why Mclaren not double stacking cover off both Mercs
@@johnlau6749 you are talking about on the spot strategy calls, max made the best calls everytime, if he was out of contention for the win doesnt matter. And in fact, those strategy calls got him in contention for the win…
@@koendejong6613😂😂crystappen fangirl
He had his teammate used as a guinea pig to help him😂😂
@@koendejong6613…and still bottled it because he ghosted in the rain and only came alive when the car was fastest in the dry 😂
OP is joining the WDC fight very soon this year!!
"Missing piece in landos racecraft". Bang on analysis
I still cannot fathom that decision to put Norris on softs…so many obvious reasons why that would never have worked for them, Piastri knew that as well and was very decisive on which tire he wanted, so someone had to have gathered that obvious information somewhere across the weekend
Even Lewis said why didn't he go onto his new mediums.
Lewis was more intune with McLaren strategy than McLaren.
"so someone had to have gathered that obvious information somewhere across the weekend"
Yes, the drivers who went soft at the beginning of the dry race told their race engineers that the softs are shit and every other race engineer told their drivers that the softs are shit in return. Everyone knew the softs were shit. Hamilton had to use them because he didn't have any mediums left and he thought that with his tire preservation capabilities he can do better on them than on the hards, wether or not that was the right decision won't be debated, since he won anyway. But for McLaren to boast before the race about how they're the only team with a brand new set of mediums, seeing how well the mediums worked 90% of the dry race and then opting for softs was just a 30 IQ move...
I thought reds were better too at first but considering it's Silverstone with 10 laps left that's like 20 laps on some other tracks so mediums would've been much better choice for his final pitstop
Honestly think If at all Oscar needs a bit more support. Lando needs to get his head straight and he’s golden but Oscar gets put in situations by the Team that are completely unnecessary.
The whole team still has a mid teir team mindset.
They are underdogs!
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lets be honnest, mclaren is not used to be so far up in the field. a few years ago p6 was a sucses. to see them where they are is amazing to see. give them some time and they will sort it out and bag some wins
I like Lando but at the moment he seems to be lacking the ruthlessness and raw speed of Lewis, Max, George, Charles and Oscar (and Fernando in his prime).
Norris is a very good driver but I think there’s something extra elite/special of the other drivers in his generation (Max, George, Charles & Oscar) have that Norris doesn’t have yet.
That’s not to say he can’t be a great driver the future, I think he can potentially be a champion in the future. But I haven’t seen it yet.
I hope he can prove me wrong but I feel like if you put George or Charles especially in a car equal to the Red Bull or a car as consistently good as the McLaren, they’d have more than one win this season already.
Don’t try to put Alonsos name there
Fraud hasn’t won for a decade + bottled wins when Aston were second fastest last season
Extremely unfair to say Lando is lacking raw speed. He has the 2nd best average qualifying position this year behind Max (3.75) significantly ahead of those you mention - Lewis (7.75), George (5.08), Charles (5.25) and Oscar (5.50).
Secondly, assuming the same strategic errors on the team's side in Canada and Silverstone, there's absolutely nothing to suggest that George or Charles would have more. Those two drivers have their own history of making errors at the front of the field, and they both have had longer time running at the front than Lando has.
@@brandonhollis9882 Because he’s had the better car. I mean, George has been on pole twice in the last four races. And the McLaren has been a better car. And Charles, he has so many pole positions. So no, Norris isn’t a better qualifier than either George or Charles. The fact is that George and Charles are way better at getting a fast lap out of a car. That’s just a fact.
And there absolutely is, as George has way less race win opportunities than Norris and has won more races. And that’s a fact. And Charles has won more races too. All with a car that was never as consistently quick as the McLaren is.
And that final point is a flat out lie. Especially in George’s case. Norris has had way more front running experience than George. Charles, maybe overall, but not recently no.
Norris is the one in second because he’s had the consistently better car.
@@gameofender4463 First, I never said he was a better qualifier than George or Charles. That's just a fact. I was just saying, you can't say Lando lacks raw speed.. That's just a fact.
Lando has had basically a year (from mid-2023) of competing in a car that's a top 3 caliber car consistently (you could maybe say part of 2020 since they ended up 3rd in the championship but that was sort of down to Racing Point's penalty and Ferrari's engine issue); George (2022, 2023, and 1/4 of 2024) and Charles (2019, 2021, 2022, 2023, 1/2 of 2024) longer. That's just a fact.
Bottom line, I think they're all three extremely close and just need experience in a championship fight to show their true potential...none have had that experience over a whole season yet.
It's impressive how you're able to so definitively state as fact such hypotheticals, congratulations.
@@gameofender4463if Lando lacks raw speed, then why he is the one with Charles on the grid that never been beaten by teammate in H2H quali over a season during his time in F1? Qualifying is the session you can judge the raw speed of a driver.
People are too overreacting towards Lando and McLaren. Like Aldas said, this is the first year where either Lando or McLaren feel the race-winning pressure where all of them haven't been on this position before.
Stella also a very new team principal, he jumped in 2023, although he was manage to make a huge revolution in McLaren technically, he still lacks of killer mentality as other TP like Toto, Horner or even Fred to make McLaren instantly challenge RBR for win, and that is okay because this will make Stella learn.
about Lando, i don't worry at all with him because he has that raw speed to be a race winner or to challenge the likes of Max, Lewis or Charles as he has been proven it this year, just missed out an opportunity to put it together not on pace, but on a situation being lacked like racecraft or small mistakes like race start which for me it can be solved along with the experience that Lando will getting this year in case for 2025 war. When you have the raw speed, don't be worry because you have that kind of pace advantage for fighting for win or a championships.
Right now, it's not about Stella under deliver to make a bad car, or Lando under deliver or didn't have the speed, it is all pure based on experience that both Lando and McLaren didn't have yet as they will take this 2024 as a huge learning curve before jumping in 2025 & start ready to war against Max.
Piastri also needs to step up because he's not anymore a rookie, he is now coming to his 2nd f1 season and we often see that he still long way back behind Lando on race pace like in China, Japan, Austria, and Spain.
people need to stop give him a lot of blessing in disguise because he needs to deliver his potential as he is a former f2 f3 champion and we expect him to develop quick like Leclerc or Russell did.
Accusing Michael Schumacher's performance engineer of lacking "killer mentality"? That's rich.
As for Lando, now that the heat is on he leaves wanting. F1 is not a finishing school, he's in his 7th year at the 2nd-most successful team in F1 history and faltering at the first signs of pressure just isn't good enough.
@@m.fadhilakbar3693 Oscar has outscored lando over the past 3 races you can say its cause of Austria but Oscar isn't the driver that needs stepping up. Lando has made many mistakes this year.
@@m.fadhilakbar3693 What are you talking about? For sure it was clear that Oscar is a second driver for a British team with a British driver. He is playing safe there for his future.
@@skunkkang5713Lando is still better amd their wet prowess show it.
Mercedes and Red Bull know how to win, this new regime at McLaren needs to learn how how to win
I think the reason red bull can achieve such achievement is coordination. They may not have the fastest car that week, they may not have the best driver lineups considering perez, they may not have the best strategy that week, but what makes them such consistent is they always at least are second in all these category. They basically dont make mistake, and exaggerate other teams mistake so much that they can win consistenly last year. Their communication is always top notch. Their exchange are fast yet concise.
*_I’m convinced that if McLaren had that Red Bull from 2021 they would’ve lost by a lot😂_*
Lando has proven that he has learned very little since Russia 2021. Wildly overrated driver. Piastri on the other hand has worked wonders for the situations he has faced and is McLarens future.
McLaren have backed the wrong horse, over the next few years we will see Oscar match Lando on a consistent basis. Once he does that, his maturity, patience and race craft will prove the difference. He will either leave McLaren due to frustrations about them favouring Lando, or he will end up beating Lando and destabilising the relationship within the team.
There’s nothing to suggest Oscar will ever match Lando. The gap in race pace hasn’t reduced at all since last season; if anything it’s increased.
@@manavkumar6590Take a look at the average lap times in Silverstone. It's just one example, not statistically significant, but it is an example of Piastri being the second-fastest driver on the grid (in conditions that Lando thrives in) in race trim.
@@RexytheRexy Oh wow, one race champ? How telling 😂
Now look at the average race-pace gap over the entire SEASON. Piastri is still 0.25s slower than Norris on average.
I’m also not really sure what you’re referring to at Silverstone; Piastri isn’t even close to being the 2nd fastest driver on the grid in ANY conditions. Norris was 4 tenths per lap faster on intermediate tyres. Look at the sprint qualifying session in China - Norris out-qualified Piastri by 3 seconds in wet conditions.
@@RexytheRexy ‘It is an example’ Actually it isn’t, since Piastri was 4 tenths per lap slower than Norris on the intermediate tyres at Silverstone. So you’re wrong
@@manavkumar6590 These statistics don't lie. There's a site that breaks down average lap times over an entire race. Piastri was second at Silverstone. I've seen the numbers and data.
No need to be unpleasant. I'm merely bringing up recent data that MIGHT become part of a pattern. Might.
It seems McKaren has been so busy bashing Red Bull and Verstappen that they missed out on focusing on their strategy ...
McLaren feel like that step away from championship contenders. The ingredients are there but considering how everyone is discussing how the strategy and communication is lacking, if McLaren weren't working on it as soon as Silverstone was done Mercedes will fill that gap.
Is it just me or does anybody else feel like lando bottles it at the start pretty much every race?
Mcl did exactly like what I feel merc did in monza 2021, to cover Max behind instead of maximising their pace on alternate strategy to beat the Mcl ahead & ended up w/ max & lewis together on track.
And in these damp conditions they need to be on optimum strategy, not just cover opponents
The fastest car does not equal a win.
Another reason why Max and Red Bull have such a great chemistry together is the fact that they always seem to be on the same page
Imagine being the guy who's leading a race and seeing Max V grow bigger and bigger in your rear view mirrors. That's gotta give a man some serious religion right there, or push him to become the best he can ever be.
Didn’t take long to see that McLaren is no better than Ferrari operationally
being both lando and osc fan, it was really diffucult to watch the silverstone race
McLaren 🤝 Ferrari
Strategic masterminds
Oh Aldas actually listens!!!! He's removed the annoying clicking sounds every other minute. Long may this continue..
"What should we do next?"
"I don't know, I never came this far!"
McLaren in a nutshell
We still have half of the season to go. I hope McLaren will take all of those mistakes in mind coming to summer break to come back stronger.
Oscar appears to have the EQ and general temperament to do what Lando is struggling with - when he gets to Lando's pace which isn't far off. I wonder if there isn't a psychological pecking order that Oscar doesn't feel he should challenge Lando and create tension within the team. It's hardly Prost v Senna because they're both good lads without the cunning and ruthlessness of AS but it feels like Oscar is on the point of stepping up - Silverstone and other results didn't show the true picture.
norris needs to mature. oscar will soon challenge him
all those ferrari strategists went to mclaren and perez team
2:09 3 place penalty not 5 I think
Really hope we get a video on “What is going on with Charles Leclerc?”
Oscar is similar to Enea Bastianini in MotoGP. He is teammate of Pecco Bagnaia that is a factory Ducati rider and usually qualifies p3 at worst, of course with exceptions... Bastianini you see him a lot in the P8-P5 zone and then he finishes fourth or higher after an amazing race going up and you are left wondering "damnn if he had started p4 he would've surely won".
The cruel thing is they are my favs in F1 and MotoGP so every time I see a fucked up quality/penalty Im like "here we go again"... but is worth remembering that Piastri has a season and a half only in F1, which is mad, we sometimes tend to forget that.
And Lando I dunno, I remember Sochi we he had to make the call to stay out.... IN MY HUMBLE OPINION with a relatively large sample size of strategy calls left on him by the team they should start to order him to box rather than ask him... but yeah.
i finally feel the pain of ferrari fans back in 2022
Oscar doesn't get the team dynamics right, one race if he is ahead on Lando you will see what he is really doing
If McLaren are going to win the title next year it will be Piastri not Norris as the lead I think. Piastri is already almost as good as Lando and does not seem to be fazed by anything on or off track. If McLaren had given Piastri the full upgrade in Miami (understand why they didn’t) he definitely could have won and this season’s narrative would be very different.
It's pretty refreshing to see fastest car doesn't always make you the winner. Both Piastri and Lando are the future champions in my opinion, but they are going through their 2019-21 Verstappen phase. They are really fast but indecisive at when to attack, defend or even to pit. Max didn't have the responsibility of driving the fastest car out there in those years, but these guys do. But I sincerely expected Lando to win much more in last 2 years.
when ferrari were doing this they were under so much more criticism
Give Norris a year of development and he’ll have a real title shot
That’s what they said for the past how many years 😂😂😂
Six years 😂😂
they arent completely ready, as a Lando/McLaren fan i still kinda need to accept this, but you can see them fumbling all these races and thats how you understand, its either lando is playing it a little cautious, or too aggressive, (ex. Spain or partly in austria) or theres a mistake in the strategy (Recently at the british grand prix especially but also in Imola and Canada) all of these things need to be ironed out and McLaren can 100% be in contention more often.
McLaren focused so hard on getting a good car they forgot a good car is not the only thing needed.
The reality is neither lando or Oscar is on the level of max or Lewis. They can occasionally match them but it’s much much harder to consistently be at the front with them. Just like in running, you can occasionally start sprinting and catch up to the front but you won’t be able to keep the pace for too long until you have to slow down again. We saw the same with Nico while he was teammates with Lewis. Nico was a brilliant racing driver however he wasn’t as brilliant every single time like Lewis was.
I think they just doesn't ready yet. They suddenly found themselves can actually challenge Red Bull and have a fast car, but the team maybe doesn't ready yet for that
Norris definitely isn't ready yet! Although I don't understand why people hate on his aggressive driving in Austria? Did we not see the same thing from Lewis and Max in 2021? He's not pulling a K-Mag. If he had won Austria, we'd be praising him as a driver who puts his foot down and goes for the opportunity. I don't want to purely see overtakes on straights!
that Norris divebomb in Austria is actually really clumsy from Lando. Then, the silverstone shows why Lewis is the best when comes to on the spot strategy calls on track and communication with Bono
Its not that Lando was aggressive, it was clumsy and poorly thought out
While the team hasn’t crushed it Lando has dropped the ball week in and week out. Poor starts, leaving the door open during wheel to wheel combat. He’s making too many mistakes compounded by the teams short comings.
I think they'll get there. I doubt there are many, if any people left from the championship winning days of McLaren, at least in the strategy department (if they have one!). Over this season we should see improving decisions, better work between drivers and engineers, and overall better results. Then with that experience under their belts, a run at the championships will be possible.
Remember that even though there was a long gap between Vettel's last championship and Max's first, Red Bull hadn't stopped winning. IIRC they won every year in-between, and more than once a year (I stand to be corrected on the stats; but the point is there wasn't a big gap between wins). They remembered how to win championships. McLaren haven't won one since 2008, and barely won anything - often not even finishing races - during the first hybrid era. They forgot how to do it.
Don't have too high expectations now. Let them - team & drivers - make their mistakes this year. Next year they'll be out of excuses.
The team can be partially blamed for the strategy, but Norris also seems to play a part in their questionable decisions. It was his choice to go to softs, his race engineer followed his instructions after confirming. The most notable example outside of Silverstone is Sochi 2021, where it was Norris' decision to stay on slicks and threw away the win. McLaren strategy decisions arent good enough, but their drivers arent working to correct their mistakes when they recognize them, and at times are even pushing the strategy to go in the wrong direction. Verstappen, Alonso, and Sainz have been capable of it, and excuses are running out for Norris with his experience level.
true, but Norris plays a part because the information given is almost like a discussion. if you listen to Oscars radio in Silverstone, stallard is like 'Oscar we think the medium tyre is the best option'
Joseph (even though it's a lap later than Oscar so McLaren knows the medium is the best) says 'do you want to cover Hamilton or Verstappen' while Lando doesn't have a clear idea of what compound he needs, he just knows he needs a slick
At least there is consistency, unlike ferrari
This is just new to them McLaren has been here in a long time and pretty sure most of the team is new to this a so is lando, they have 2 good drivers that can potentially be on consistent 1/2 but give it a couple more races and we will see if they are learning
With that modern day Pastor Maldonado behind the wheel nothing should surprise you.
Don’t remember Maldonado having 20 podiums…any other room-temp IQ comments you need to make champ?
@@manavkumar6590 “Nobody remembers the guy who finished second but the guy who finished second.”
@@aoife1122 Quoted by…uhhh I don’t know, someone who didn’t even finish the race?
Music?
Lando is not ready sciocologicaly and to be honest he is not as good as vertapen.He is also compromised, the friendship with verstapen is part of the problem
Landon needs to go back to being happy with P2. And I don't mean that to say that he won't win again, but it seems that wanting P1 this badly since Miami is screwing with his head and isn't allowing him to just race.
maybe because mclaren is the fastest car right now so not winning is really a loss for him.
@@henrywilliams4170 Nah, that whole thing in his brain is personal, it's got 0 to do with the team.
This is the same Lando who dismissed Hamilton's wins as easy since he had a fast car.
if oscar didn't have received penalties in austria and imola he would have comfortably won a race and a podium which would have put him ahead of lando in championship by 6 points.
If if for Lando doesn't exists? if for Oscar is exists?
if McLaren are a serious team, Lando would have won Canada and Silverstone.
In the words of Max Verstappen - "If my mom had balls she'd be my dad."
Agree with your sentiment. But if Lando's tyre hadn't fallen off the rim at Austria leaving Max to pick up the pieces, there would only be 57 points between them with 12 races to go, game on.
‘Comfortably won a race and a podium’ And how would he have achieved that, given his race pace is still nowhere NEAR as good as Norris? Leave alone the fact that the penalties were literally his fault 💀
Max went against Lewis who is a mental gaint with all his mental tactics and won that itself speaks volumes to amount of talent Max possess.
2021 I as a audience was shitting bricks at the race starts but Max it was just another day except for 3 races he either finished 1-2
Give McLaren a little bit a room to breath.. they were almost dead last not so long ago, they’ve figured out the car now and now they have other things to adjust/get used to… they are on very good path so far! Mercedes, Red bull etc. also didn’t became a championship winning team in a spam of 7 races 😉
Will Joseph the new Xavi?
its all good guys..at least Lando gets DOTD on the regular
The McLaren is no W11 or RB19 but it is the fastest car, it’s on the drivers and the strategy they need to step it up and we can enjoy a fight.
Hopefully, Lando and McLaren would know to win before 2026. xD
This was a total fumble from Will Joseph in my opinion.
I’m not singling out you- basically every sports commentator from outside of North America does this- but you seem to be missing the best answer here, that he is a huge *choker*. Some people just are not capable of doing their best when it actually matters - when you see a talented athlete who doesn’t win significant things it’s not because of anything other than their own innate inability to push when it matters.
lando keeps making mistakes in critical moments. except the incident with max.
Don't care what anyone says, my only message to Mclaren -
Ever tried, ever failed, no matter. Try again, fail again, fail better. The world is yours. Treat everyone kindly and light up the night
Lando is a good driver but not great driver
What a waste of that good car 🤣🤣🤣🤣
all the 8 year old land fanboys can say what they want but I don't think lando is ready to be champion. As he said earlier this year "If you want to go against the best driver in the world, it's not the best thing to do." He was speaking of being max's teammate but still that mentality proves he isn't ready to be champion. Maybe In a couple of years if Mclaren can keep up the pace but for this year and maybe even next year Lando is going to keep making these small mistakes that are the difference between P1 and P2
Alonso would have won at least 4 out of 6 races
Honestly, I feel like a lot of people coddle Lando way too much. He lacks racecraft, he lacks the "it" factor to be a cold-blooded killer like Max or Lewis or Fernando or even George (on certain days) can be to challenge for race wins each weekend. Oscar I'm holding out judgement on because he's been very close to Lando in only his 2nd year at McLaren whereas Lando's been there for 5 years, he SHOULD be blowing him out of the water but he's really not.
Lando needs to be more decisive and refine his racecraft. Max is on it when it comes to tires and his racecraft, like it or not.
not only that, the communication between his race engineer. Look at the dialogue 10:08 and clearly u can see costly blunders made by Lando and his race engineer. What even worse is Will Joseph got tell Lando that Leclerc on soft don't have pace at all before this dialogue. From here, medium tyres is the right call, not the soft tyres. This is because the medium tyres for sure cover off both Max and Lewis actually
Only Lewis and max can fight for the championship. Wherever these two go they will be leading a win and deliver. Norris had more downforce and better tyre wear and look at the last stint, Lando with a tyre 2 fewer laps on it still destroyed the tyres
I find it mildly amusing that Piastry has outscored Norris over the last 3 races in total.
Oscar just feels like he’s confident in himself whereas Lando doesn’t
outscored Lando because Lando had the incident in Austria, if not the points gap between them would've been more than 70 points which was concerning.
Norris also 9-3 up on him in quali and race this year.
Do you even watch the races?
Did you watch any of these three races? Lando was ahead at the end of 2 and the other he crashed out racing for the win some 12s ahead of anyone else. Plus, he's 11-4 (incl sprints) up on Oscar for the year in qualy and 9-3 up in races. I'd say he's confident enough.
@@TheJester-ct5pi yes and I have seen Piastry be very impressive
@@brandonhollis9882 we can talk what ifs for days but the fact is that Piastry has, in the last 3 races scored 36 points to Landos 34. Listening to the radio, Lando and his race engineer have always been less locked in compared to Piastry and Tom Stallard
Even in a perfect world, Lando can't match Max' racecraft (yet). Also see: -> 2024 Silverstone GP.
It all goes down to inexperience.
I disagree that is not a problem that Lando can't 'dictate' the team what to do. Most f1 champions have that in them. Besides Saintz, Alonzo and Hamilton, Max does it too.
If Lando can't change that, he will be like Leclerc: A crapload of talent, but never be able to win any Championship.
Lando is dumb
Wow, insightful...glad you shared. Moron.
Norris is a total beta
And his fans to 🤣
@@nicholas8363Most of his fans are teenage girls who watch because they think F1 is a personality show with some racing in between.
Who are the alfas? Just curious to know 😊
@@AgainstWokenesswho hurt you lil bro
@@emmanueljoseph2520 Max, Lewis and Fernando.
Nothing says you should win just because you're 1-2 on lap 20. The Mercedes came alive.
The race engineer should be engineering the race, if he is asking the driver anything other than the tyre state he's not doing his job.