This specific recording came from my Betamax collection i inherited from my grandmother. Uploaded it to youtube and its done the rounds. Its now been released on DVD
Hi Robert! I downloaded this years ago from where you uploaded it to make sure I always have a copy, and was glad I did when yours disappeared. I uploaded it afterward and, as you can see, a LOT of people have enjoyed watching it. Thanks a LOT for digitizing it!
I appreciate you going through the effort and uploading the show. It's nice to have some content on RUclips it has some merit. I see you posted it 2 years ago today is December 23rd I hope you have a Merry Christmas or happy holidays and a Happy New Year.
James Burke documentaries; no whish-bang-boom sound effects, no flashing and exploding graphics, just good old down to earth data presentation. Love it!
@@davidhoward437 Whaaat? Did we watch the same video? James Burkke small-minded? Sensationalist?? Trying to dismiss??? The only thing I can agree with and to me it was crystal clear that JB agrees is "one of humankind's greatest achievements" !! I'm not sure if he actually stated it here or in some other of his wonderful programs and presentations. Gee...
When I was a child I looked up to James Burke and joked to my parents that "When I am a rich famous scientist I want the same mad professor hair as James Burke". Sadly, only the hair part has come true so far!!!
@@ronaldtartaglia4459 Thank you Ronald, on balance I was far too alluring with hair... Breathtaking in fact. It became almost impossible to conduct my experiments with so many divorcee's to entertain... It was hell I tell you!! I have since built my own Hadron Collider, which works so well, I am actually typing this two weeks ago! 🏆🇬🇧
Thanks for uploading this. I would have watched this when first broadcast with my Father and oldest Brother as they were both space nuts as was I. This made me think of days gone by and family that I lost along the way so thanks once again for providing me with entertainment and fond memories.
Yep, I love his work. :-) Have you seen "After the Warming" ? www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-11-14-ca-4329-story.html ruclips.net/video/RfE8wBReIxw/видео.html
Legendary and brilliant was James Burkes' commentary and soft voice of professionalism. I loved Burkes Special and Tomorrow's world way back when these programmes were the best and you would have looked forward to seeing them each week. Not the same quality today or presenters just don't have "That magic" of knowhow of people like Mr.James Burke and Ramond Baxter etc., Panorama, of course, Horizon and it's signature opening music theme which is sadly not present now. These shows will be in my memory forever as what good tv used to be about! G.B
James Burke was the expert of Space on British television much like Carl Segan was to America later. He was much the pioneer from the stuffiness aloof that went before. His " Tomorrow's World" contributions and presentations were also out of this World. Greatly missed these days .
A quarrelsome atheist (I believe she was in Texas) sued the Feds over the Apollo 8 astronauts reading from Genesis while over the Moon. It went to the Supreme Court and their ruling was classic: It’s out of our jurisdiction. Love Burke’s “Connections” series, thanks.
@@ChadDidNothingWrong I'm an atheist, but I never considered myself part of a group, or movement. Over the last decade or so (probably coinciding with social media), their stand has gone from quiet organisation to smug, pointed critiques at believers. I am uncomfortable with the organised stance, and question its necessity. As Groucho famously said, " I would never join a club that would have me as a member"...
@@jamesbomd3503 Hollywood is way too liberal for that, never happen. This ain't the Hollywood of conservative Cecil B. DeMille suing unions while making THE TEN COMMANDMENTS to denounce heathen communism. It's the Hollywood of Steven Spielberg making AMISTAD and neglecting to mention that his real-life slave hero Cinqué returned to Africa and became a slave trader himself! It's the Hollywood that refused to give studio backing or distribution to THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST which went on to clock over a half-billion after a limited release and become the highest-grossing R-rated film in history. The b1tch who sued was the founder of American Atheists. Not surprisingly, she was a commie who unabashedly supported the Soviet Union. She tried twice to defect there but even they didn't want her.
What an amazing uptake on the Apollo thing. I’m 61, and always thought that image of the home we all live in was the pentultimate success of the entire project. Mind you, as a boy, I was right into it. Still can quote numbers of the machines themselves. But Our Earth. For the first time, we could see it. Under our thumb,as you said, sir. I’m still enthralled.
Nice to see this back on youtube again. It was shown on the night of the 10th Anniversary of the Apollo 11 moon landing. I had the programme audio recorded from my TV back in 1979 (no VCR at home back then) so know the sound track very well. However, I hadn't seen the footage when it was first broadcast as I was out at a Dublin disco that night (yes - it was that era) so only got to actually see the programme properly when it appeared on youtube..
@Sid Vicious Because I was interested in the subject matter? And because we didn't have a video recorder in the house yet. It was broadcast on BBC which does not show commercials- so that wasn't in issue.
The interviews and discussions with the lunar scientists are fascinating, I've never seen those before. I didn't realize how much they learned from those samples brought back. Also, that interview where the astronauts were arguing about the program on camera is something you rarely see, certainly never see with astronauts who are still with NASA, which tightly controls its public image. I got more insight into their personalities and interrelationships in that little snippet than I could ever get from a rehashed history book. Great documentary, high quality, lots of info, no stupid music or overdramatizations, and the legendary Mr. Burke, top notch stuff here.
I’ve thought a lot about Mr. Webb this year. My only two remaining family members died, The terrible political environment, Covid crisis…….. as a man of science my entire life, the web telescope was the only good news the past few years that didn’t totally shit the bed. I followed its development much closer than I normally would have. It was one of the few things to help keep me distracted while I spent well over 200 nights next to my mom’s hospital bed. I’m in my mid 30s ….and I’m pretty sure I hadn’t cried a single time in the last 25 years. But with family passing and gone….. about the same time of Webb’s scope launch/ incredible deployment… idk….It was a great treat in such a hard time of turmoil.
@@nickweech3487 Sure, there is always that element, still it was largely to do with JB's and BBC's reputation and status that made those interviews possible. Find a present day RUclipsr who can come close....
President Eisenhower was very concerned about "the military industrial complex" and war profiteering. That was a big reason why he was initially hesitant about the "space race" and was a proponent for the civilian run NASA.✌🏽
I want to know what you call that suit so I know what to search for. As I get older I want to dress like that. Can't look attractive, might as well look intelligent.
Yes, Burke is right that Apollo 11 didn't provide much in the way of rock samples. However, that small grab sample and the follow up collecting was more well thought out then the way he makes it sound. I read Jim Hansen's "First Man" a few weeks before Neil Armstrong's passing and one comment by Harrison Schmitt was particularly insightful of Neil's capabilities. Schmitt was instrumental in preparing Neil and Buzz for the geological sampling they would perform on the moon. This was pretty rudimentary compared to later missions but according to Schmitt, "Neil's collection of rocks was the best that anybody did on the moon."(Not sure if Harrison was including his samples with that remark). He chalked this up to Neil's engineering interest that closely jived with the logic involved with a certain geology theory when it came to determining the appropriate samples to collect. I thought that was pretty amazing considering how much better prepared the follow on missions where and how little time AP-11 was on the moon compared to them.
He did a lot of great shows, and is still on air occasionally. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Burke_(science_historian)#Television_credits Even this interview last year ruclips.net/video/c5a987U9Kdc/видео.html
I got to meet Astronaut Jim Irwin in the Ulster Hall Belfast in the 1970s and got an autograph and he described what it was like to go to the moon to an excited and amazed full Ulster hall Belfast audience. Anyone else there?
The really sad thing here is that the management lessons learned from the Apollo 1 disaster were forgotten by 1986. Then they were forgotten AGAIN by by 2003.
Eric Taylor I have to agree with you on this. But would add that since that time the American worker and corporations started to lose pride in their work ethics. Things started to get cheap and crappy, it was geared more toward quantity not quality, though there were a few exceptions, very few. Then there is the endless over regulations, escalating union demands, taxes and greed from all parties concerned that prompted overseas outsourcing and the exodus of companies moving to other countries. There is more to it I'm sure, but I doubt that we could go back to the moon in a 10 year time frame yet alone another planet.
EIBBOR2654 I agree 100% Unions have destroyed this country. The unions started out as a way to protect workers, but they got way too powerful. What benifit has the union granted to the worker if the drive the company out of business? A classic example is Anderson, Indiana. A town near Indianapolis that has a lot of history. The car companies provided a lot of jobs there until the unions drove them out. Now the cars are built in Mexico and Anderson has about 30% of the hoses empty. There are more houses than people to live in them. Imagine what that does to property values?
I know what you mean, I have cousin's in Indiana. The transmission in my 68 Camaro was made in Muncie and that town has suffered too. Detroit too is mostly gone. Check this out ruclips.net/video/1hhJ_49leBw/видео.html I'm not knocking America or American's, but we have lost something. I've studied military & industrial history, have you ever heard the old saying, "Necessity is the mother of invention"? That was America and what made us so good. Some guy working a farm thought of a way to do something better and made a machine or whatever to do it. Along comes someone else and see's that he could adapted it to to something else and on it went. We were the top dog in the world in the machining manufacture and making the machines to do it. Now you can't get machines like lathes and mills made in this country. And if you do, they are far to expensive to compete with the stuff made overseas. I can remember a time when stuff made in Japan was crap and you only bought it because you needed something cheap to hold you over until you could get it made here. Now Japan puts out top stuff and stuff made here is crap. Like I said before endless over regulations, escalating union demands, taxes and greed from all parties concerned has made it almost impossible for America to compete in the world market and has killed that entrepreneurial spirit and work ethic we once had. What a shame and shame on us for letting that happen.
Apollo1011 He was referring to the fact that the CM and LM had completely different (and non-interchangeable) carbon scrubbing system. In fact Apollo 13 is an example of management working really well.
27JUN2020 - Experienced all this first hand as a young, but a very informed kid who thought about little more than space and the stars. The death of Gus Grissom jerks my chain to this very day. I heard all the arguments, all the excuses, all the promises. Now, old, outside of the spin-off products we enjoy, I have observed that people are the same now as then: reluctant to change, bigoted, ignorant, and superstitious. Perhaps even more so now than then. The educational system has been defeated, morality is waning, and we are the laughing stock in the global technology market. We have little more than the world's biggest police department, our dietary consumption is deplorable, the air and water poison. It's been downhill all the way and no one is waiting at the bottom to push us back up. If there is hope, I don't see it. I'll continue to help family and friends get through the everyday, but the change and leadership we need is just not available.
@ungratefulmetalpansy Had you been a little less angry I might have offered you the benefit of some 1st hand knowledge from the inside, but you lost me at "... get you...." There was no need to make this personal. Computers did in fact exist way before Apollo 11 but lacked the accelerated improvement as a result of the needs the space program demanded. And no, NASA did not invent Teflon. That was invented where I used to work.
25:17 it is _not_ strange that they had redesigned the spacecraft. The original command module ("Block 1") was designed to specifications from the original mission modes: direct ascent or Earth orbit rendezvous. When NASA switched to Lunar orbit rendezvous the Block 1 spacecraft became unusable for anything beyond Earth orbit missions without a Lunar module. Rather than just switching all work to the new Block 2 design, NAA continued to develop Block 1 too in the hopes that the experiences with it would be useful as Block 2 caught up. By 1967, Block 2 had overtaken Block 1, but important changes in Block 2 (such as managing flammable material, or the outward-opening hatch) unfortunately weren't retrofitted to Block 1.
How to do the impossible, overcome politics. It's the most difficult fact of life, identifying common purpose and carrying out the process, everyone included. Opposition without reasonable explanations does nothing for anyone.
Actually, the politicians were very much involved. This is what this country can do when the leaders all get scared shitless about not being the most powerful nation on Earth.
The problem was that the NASA comms system used one form of wiring for their internal comms system (three wire) and the land lines between the sites doing the tests (ie Huston and the launch Control Blockhouse at Kennedy) used a two wire system. Rocco Petrone actually mentions it on this film. Conversion equipment between the two systems were not reliable.
Anyone got any ideas who did the music. I'd say it's almost certainly Paddy Kingsland, Roger Limb or Peter Howell... but I can't quite put my finger on who.
Politicizing space discovery. Interesting how science has grown along side the conjuring of perceptions. Hopefully one day scientific progress will not depend on the falsification of one's neighbors. Yet, in the midst of it all the actual heart of discovery is beautiful.
Interesting that Jack Schmitt was unaware that Block I & Block II spacecraft had been developed in parallel. Block I was a non-lunar mission capable vehicle, having only a single hatch, not intended for EVA so it opened inwards to provide easier sealing in vacuum. The Block II being the built for rendezvous and docking with LM, as well a an outward opening hatch that was EVA capable.
It was because Eisenhower didn’t want to be first because of the uncertainty of overflight rules in the world at the time. He didn’t know how the soviets would react. Known cia fact. He actually sent security guards to the launch and vonbhraun staffer hid a satellite in his trunk but couldn’t use it. Look up the events surrounding the competition about the international geo physical year.
Burke talks to 3 of the "Four Horsemen" who pushed NASA to increase the Apollo science effort. L to R: Jerry Wasserberg, Bob Walker, Jim Arnold (Paul Gast d. 1973) 37:13 uphill fight for science 41:45 45:59 47:41 48:27 Wasserberg's startling lunar bombardment results 50:22 Burke: Do you know the origin of the Moon? Wasserberg's emphatic and sly "No. ... Do you?" is a straight man's pitch to Jim Arnold. Their exchange is my favorite moment.
@@lloydtshare the 4th was Paul Gast, who died in 1973 and was thus not available when this was made around the 10th anniversary of the first Apollo moon landing
3:23 I've read before that the decision to go to the moon was made in a car park. In fact I've refered to it when reminding managers that they're wasting a lot of time in meetings but I've never actually seen the car park where it happened.
We need another space race, something to inspire people and push innovation and technology to new heights. All my life we have been looking back to great accomplishments but not really trying to improve upon them. We have stagnated and in some ways regressed. Flat Earthers and Moon Landing deniers are listened to instead of being laughed out of the room as their willful ignorance and stupidity deserves.
Its now 2023 putting a man on the Moon today is like reading a Jules Verne novel (science fiction). I'm 55 I've always believed they went to the Moon, but with he carry on that's happening today about doing it again I'm beginning to question my belief.
@@richardvernon317 It's a ritual. i live an hour north of KSC and an hour east of Disney World. Ya gotta get freeze dried ice cream at KSC just like ya gotta get a Mickey bar when you visit Disney.
The usual politics of the space race and not the technical aspects; but, this is perhaps one of the earliest presentations of these revelations; today, people wouldn't get much out of this.
Why don't most people get into science/mathematics? Why didn't everyone from Eisenhower to Kennedy see that the real space race should have been to colonize space; to tap the energy and matter of space?
oker59 There were too many terrestrial issues to be able to convince people of the value of investment into such endeavors I'd guess. This is still true today, that's why NASA's budget is similar to that of a large city instead of a real commitment to the work it does.
The real reason is deep space radiation is a killer. Not in regards to short time exposure as done in the Apollo flights to the moon, but in long duration flights to Mars. You would have to provide the same protection as given by 100km of atmosphere and a powerful magnetic field which in metal terms is a hell of a lot of weight. That's the biggest issue stopping long duration manned deep space flight.
Eric Taylor Yes, it's the main reason there's no good quality photo of Neil Armstrong on the moon. Neil had taken the famous photo of Buzz and at some point shortly after, he was supposed to give Buzz the camera so that his picture could be taken. Nixon's call caused enough of a disruption that it never happened. Aside from his first step video, there's just some low quality shots from the LM camera that happened to have Neil in it and one with his back turned to the camera. That's all we have of the first man to walk on the moon because Nixon had to score some points.
+Eric Taylor funny man, you do know grissom wasma.big detractor of the program..hanging an actual LEMON on the CM..incidentally grissoms family is still investigating the "murder " of GUS and his crew.. stating that the incident revolves around a metal plate, which caused a short and subsequent FIRE in the pure ox atmosphere wiping out all in a flash....of course when burning to death theres no such a thing as "in a flash" as it would feel as if it went on forever..judging from severe burn survivor stories after the fact.
Scott Prendergast There is a very good docu-drama on HBO called "From the Earth to the Moon" that has an entire episode to Apollo 1. Gus was a professional test pilot. He wasn't critical of the PROGRAM, he was critical of the shotty construction of the CM. The ship had a huge number of problems and THAT was what the lemon was about. If Gus had known just how bad it really was, he never would have gotten in the ship. NONE of the astronauts would have. As for your "murder" accusation, don't be stupid. The Apollo 1 fire was an ACCIDENT. A stupid accident, sure, but an accident all the same. The crew of Apollo 1 didn't burn to death. In fact their bodies suffered no heat damage at all due to their space suits (which were designed to handle high heat). They died of asphyxiation when the fire burned through their hoses. If the suits had been self contained they would have survived.
Eric, I agree with you completely that Grissom was critical of the CM's shoddy workmanship, but not critical of the program as a whole. And also, anyone who labels this tragedy as a murder is simply willfully ignorant. But I do have to disagree with you about the way Grissom, White and Chaffee died. There are many copies of the actual recording of communications leading up to, and including the final moments of the 3 astronauts. Their bodies did suffer massive burn damage, though Chaffee had far less burns than the other 2 (he was seated the furthest from where the fire started). Presumably NASA released the "death by asphyxiation" story in order to spare the families even further trauma.
Smoke detectors, and the modern computer chip as well. Wikipedia has a great list called something like NASA spinoffs. It broken down by category. There's a lot we owe Apollo for, and NASA in general.
@@lordgarion514 there is a bit of PR in there. The computer chip already existed however it's cost meant it was only used in space and weight critical systems such as rockets both military and civil. The apollo guidance computer design had its roots in work done for the Titan missile program.
@@Spookieham Computer chips existed. The kind we use today were developed by NASA. Just like cordless tools They already existed, but sucked, so NASA gave a contract that lead to the development of a new DC motor, that we still use today. So while NASA didn't invent the computer chip, or cordless tools, they invented the ones we still use today. Which is why I specifically said "modern" computer chips
He got his bit, too, politically. He got his great home state of Texas their space center in Houston. He pushed really, really hard to make it there when there were other, closer-to-Cape-Canaveral potential build locations in Georgia, Alabama and the Carolinas.
This specific recording came from my Betamax collection i inherited from my grandmother. Uploaded it to youtube and its done the rounds. Its now been released on DVD
Hi Robert! I downloaded this years ago from where you uploaded it to make sure I always have a copy, and was glad I did when yours disappeared. I uploaded it afterward and, as you can see, a LOT of people have enjoyed watching it. Thanks a LOT for digitizing it!
I appreciate you going through the effort and uploading the show. It's nice to have some content on RUclips it has some merit. I see you posted it 2 years ago today is December 23rd I hope you have a Merry Christmas or happy holidays and a Happy New Year.
Nicely done! Thank you!
The worlds most underrated presenter, journalist and all round top person of a generation.
James Burke documentaries; no whish-bang-boom sound effects, no flashing and exploding graphics, just good old down to earth data presentation.
Love it!
Just another small-minded sensationalist trying to dismiss one of humankind's greatest achievements.
@@davidhoward437 cobblers - watch some of his other work. The man knows what he was talking about.
@@davidhoward437 Whaaat? Did we watch the same video? James Burkke small-minded? Sensationalist?? Trying to dismiss??? The only thing I can agree with and to me it was crystal clear that JB agrees is "one of humankind's greatest achievements" !! I'm not sure if he actually stated it here or in some other of his wonderful programs and presentations. Gee...
At one point, the best timed shot ever with Voyager 2.
@@Axel_Andersen He's not used the non-bullsh*t approach like in todays documentaries. So, to him it sounds dismissive.
I thought I had watched every Burke program. I was wrong. Thanks for posting this!
I have always loved James Burke. And now here is something by him that I've never heard about before. Thank you.
One of the worlds most brilliant presenters.
He’s amazing isn’t he? He can explain anything to anyone
When I was a child I looked up to James Burke and joked to my parents that "When I am a rich famous scientist I want the same mad professor hair as James Burke".
Sadly, only the hair part has come true so far!!!
That is still an achievement.
@@ronaldtartaglia4459 Thank you Ronald, on balance I was far too alluring with hair... Breathtaking in fact. It became almost impossible to conduct my experiments with so many divorcee's to entertain... It was hell I tell you!!
I have since built my own Hadron Collider, which works so well, I am actually typing this two weeks ago! 🏆🇬🇧
Thanks for uploading this. I would have watched this when first broadcast with my Father and oldest Brother as they were both space nuts as was I. This made me think of days gone by and family that I lost along the way so thanks once again for providing me with entertainment and fond memories.
Great video. Thanks for making it available. Very grateful.
Only a kid when this programme first on tv. Thanks for posting
WHOA a James Burke documentary I haven't seen. THANK YOU so much for uploading this.
Yep, I love his work. :-) Have you seen "After the Warming" ?
www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-11-14-ca-4329-story.html
ruclips.net/video/RfE8wBReIxw/видео.html
Legendary and brilliant was James Burkes' commentary and soft voice of professionalism. I loved Burkes Special and Tomorrow's world way back when these programmes were the best and you would have looked forward to seeing them each week. Not the same quality today or presenters just don't have "That magic" of knowhow of people like Mr.James Burke and Ramond Baxter etc., Panorama, of course, Horizon and it's signature opening music theme which is sadly not present now. These shows will be in my memory forever as what good tv used to be about! G.B
My professors making us write a 500 word essay on this film. Its a very good film
James Burke was the expert of Space on British television much like Carl Segan was to America later. He was much the pioneer from the stuffiness aloof that went before. His " Tomorrow's World" contributions and presentations were also out of this World. Greatly missed these days .
Simply stunning docu . What a cast - the best Apollo vid I can recall ever seeing . Thanks for posting this beauty .
A quarrelsome atheist (I believe she was in Texas) sued the Feds over the Apollo 8 astronauts reading from Genesis while over the Moon. It went to the Supreme Court and their ruling was classic: It’s out of our jurisdiction.
Love Burke’s “Connections” series, thanks.
Atheism is the most quarrelsome religion I've ever known.
@@ChadDidNothingWrong I'm an atheist, but I never considered myself part of a group, or movement. Over the last decade or so (probably coinciding with social media), their stand has gone from quiet organisation to smug, pointed critiques at believers. I am uncomfortable with the organised stance, and question its necessity. As Groucho famously said, " I would never join a club that would have me as a member"...
They should make a movie about that one Thing They'd have to dramatise it a little bit A few famous actors there should be a hit movie
@@jamesbomd3503 Hollywood is way too liberal for that, never happen. This ain't the Hollywood of conservative Cecil B. DeMille suing unions while making THE TEN COMMANDMENTS to denounce heathen communism. It's the Hollywood of Steven Spielberg making AMISTAD and neglecting to mention that his real-life slave hero Cinqué returned to Africa and became a slave trader himself! It's the Hollywood that refused to give studio backing or distribution to THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST which went on to clock over a half-billion after a limited release and become the highest-grossing R-rated film in history. The b1tch who sued was the founder of American Atheists. Not surprisingly, she was a commie who unabashedly supported the Soviet Union. She tried twice to defect there but even they didn't want her.
What an amazing uptake on the Apollo thing.
I’m 61, and always thought that image of the home we all live in
was the pentultimate success of the entire project.
Mind you, as a boy, I was right into it. Still can quote numbers of the machines themselves.
But Our Earth.
For the first time, we could see it. Under our thumb,as you said, sir.
I’m still enthralled.
Nice to see this back on youtube again. It was shown on the night of the 10th Anniversary of the Apollo 11 moon landing.
I had the programme audio recorded from my TV back in 1979 (no VCR at home back then) so know the sound track very well.
However, I hadn't seen the footage when it was first broadcast as I was out at a Dublin disco that night (yes - it was that era) so only got to actually see the programme properly when it appeared on youtube..
EricIrl download it if you want.. www.clipconverter.cc/ It might be removed from ytube someday...
I had a VCR back in 79. It was an RCA and had a wired remote.
Dublin had disco's!?
E M At least two.
@Sid Vicious Because I was interested in the subject matter?
And because we didn't have a video recorder in the house yet.
It was broadcast on BBC which does not show commercials- so that wasn't in issue.
The interviews and discussions with the lunar scientists are fascinating, I've never seen those before. I didn't realize how much they learned from those samples brought back. Also, that interview where the astronauts were arguing about the program on camera is something you rarely see, certainly never see with astronauts who are still with NASA, which tightly controls its public image. I got more insight into their personalities and interrelationships in that little snippet than I could ever get from a rehashed history book. Great documentary, high quality, lots of info, no stupid music or overdramatizations, and the legendary Mr. Burke, top notch stuff here.
Thank you. This is the most informative film that I have seen on Apollo by far.
Honestly I love the music in this program. It’s proper early 80s stuff.
Thank you, so very much, for sharing...
I’ve thought a lot about Mr. Webb this year.
My only two remaining family members died, The terrible political environment, Covid crisis……..
as a man of science my entire life, the web telescope was the only good news the past few years that didn’t totally shit the bed.
I followed its development much closer than I normally would have. It was one of the few things to help keep me distracted while I spent well over 200 nights next to my mom’s hospital bed.
I’m in my mid 30s ….and I’m pretty sure I hadn’t cried a single time in the last 25 years.
But with family passing and gone….. about the same time of Webb’s scope launch/ incredible deployment…
idk….It was a great treat in such a hard time of turmoil.
They don't make shows like this anymore, what a shame.
Well that’s because they are not going to the moon 😚
Superb...the honesty and integrity would be nice to see in there present political system...
Thanks for the upload. I'm amazed at the level of NASA top brass who JAMES Burke seems to have been able to access. Marvellous!
It was all part of the public relations exercise, just saying
@@nickweech3487 Sure, there is always that element, still it was largely to do with JB's and BBC's reputation and status that made those interviews possible. Find a present day RUclipsr who can come close....
Wonderful stuff. James Burke was pretty much my childhood hero.
"There were no votes in science"
Saddest thing about this? There still aren't.
Great video, I grew up watching James Burke!
I didn't see his work until I was in my 30s. It's great stuff.
Paul Snape What was it like growing up in Jolly ol’ England at that time?
Thanks for posting this!
President Eisenhower was very concerned about "the military industrial complex" and war profiteering. That was a big reason why he was initially hesitant about the "space race" and was a proponent for the civilian run NASA.✌🏽
Beautiful. It's great to see Burke's old material again.
Hey, look. It's the infamous "white get-up" from Connections.
What a classic, I love James and his fashion sense.
I want to know what you call that suit so I know what to search for. As I get older I want to dress like that. Can't look attractive, might as well look intelligent.
This guy would be an excellent college professor and lecturer... He can hold your interest.
Yes, Burke is right that Apollo 11 didn't provide much in the way of rock samples. However, that small grab sample and the follow up collecting was more well thought out then the way he makes it sound. I read Jim Hansen's "First Man" a few weeks before Neil Armstrong's passing and one comment by Harrison Schmitt was particularly insightful of Neil's capabilities. Schmitt was instrumental in preparing Neil and Buzz for the geological sampling they would perform on the moon. This was pretty rudimentary compared to later missions but according to Schmitt, "Neil's collection of rocks was the best that anybody did on the moon."(Not sure if Harrison was including his samples with that remark). He chalked this up to Neil's engineering interest that closely jived with the logic involved with a certain geology theory when it came to determining the appropriate samples to collect. I thought that was pretty amazing considering how much better prepared the follow on missions where and how little time AP-11 was on the moon compared to them.
I used to love everything James Burke did. I never understood why he suddenly seemed to vanish.
He did a lot of great shows, and is still on air occasionally.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Burke_(science_historian)#Television_credits
Even this interview last year
ruclips.net/video/c5a987U9Kdc/видео.html
I got to meet Astronaut Jim Irwin in the Ulster Hall Belfast in the 1970s and got an autograph and he described what it was like to go to the moon to an excited and amazed full Ulster hall Belfast audience. Anyone else there?
Irwin became a 'man of god' I believe .
Great documentary... lots of good content.. which is often missing these days!
Amazing! Thank you very much!
The really sad thing here is that the management lessons learned from the Apollo 1 disaster were forgotten by 1986. Then they were forgotten AGAIN by by 2003.
Eric Taylor I have to agree with you on this. But would add that since that time the American worker and corporations started to lose pride in their work ethics. Things started to get cheap and crappy, it was geared more toward quantity not quality, though there were a few exceptions, very few. Then there is the endless over regulations, escalating union demands, taxes and greed from all parties concerned that prompted overseas outsourcing and the exodus of companies moving to other countries. There is more to it I'm sure, but I doubt that we could go back to the moon in a 10 year time frame yet alone another planet.
EIBBOR2654 I agree 100% Unions have destroyed this country. The unions started out as a way to protect workers, but they got way too powerful. What benifit has the union granted to the worker if the drive the company out of business?
A classic example is Anderson, Indiana. A town near Indianapolis that has a lot of history. The car companies provided a lot of jobs there until the unions drove them out. Now the cars are built in Mexico and Anderson has about 30% of the hoses empty. There are more houses than people to live in them. Imagine what that does to property values?
I know what you mean, I have cousin's in Indiana. The transmission in my 68 Camaro was made in Muncie and that town has suffered too. Detroit too is mostly gone. Check this out
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I'm not knocking America or American's, but we have lost something. I've studied military & industrial history, have you ever heard the old saying, "Necessity is the mother of invention"? That was America and what made us so good. Some guy working a farm thought of a way to do something better and made a machine or whatever to do it. Along comes someone else and see's that he could adapted it to to something else and on it went. We were the top dog in the world in the machining manufacture and making the machines to do it. Now you can't get machines like lathes and mills made in this country. And if you do, they are far to expensive to compete with the stuff made overseas. I can remember a time when stuff made in Japan was crap and you only bought it because you needed something cheap to hold you over until you could get it made here. Now Japan puts out top stuff and stuff made here is crap. Like I said before endless over regulations, escalating union demands, taxes and greed from all parties concerned has made it almost impossible for America to compete in the world market and has killed that entrepreneurial spirit and work ethic we once had. What a shame and shame on us for letting that happen.
Eric Taylor "Tell me this isn't a government operation" Gene Krantz, Apollo 13.
Apollo1011 He was referring to the fact that the CM and LM had completely different (and non-interchangeable) carbon scrubbing system. In fact Apollo 13 is an example of management working really well.
I love that Jim lovell gets the final word. What an amazing human being.
So grateful Burke recorded our people talking about the nuts and bolts of our space ventures.
27JUN2020 - Experienced all this first hand as a young, but a very informed kid who thought about little more than space and the stars. The death of Gus Grissom jerks my chain to this very day. I heard all the arguments, all the excuses, all the promises. Now, old, outside of the spin-off products we enjoy, I have observed that people are the same now as then: reluctant to change, bigoted, ignorant, and superstitious. Perhaps even more so now than then. The educational system has been defeated, morality is waning, and we are the laughing stock in the global technology market. We have little more than the world's biggest police department, our dietary consumption is deplorable, the air and water poison. It's been downhill all the way and no one is waiting at the bottom to push us back up. If there is hope, I don't see it. I'll continue to help family and friends get through the everyday, but the change and leadership we need is just not available.
@ungratefulmetalpansy Had you been a little less angry I might have offered you the benefit of some 1st hand knowledge from the inside, but you lost me at "... get you...." There was no need to make this personal. Computers did in fact exist way before Apollo 11 but lacked the accelerated improvement as a result of the needs the space program demanded. And no, NASA did not invent Teflon. That was invented where I used to work.
Exceptional James Burke production!
He didn't produce it did he ?
fantastic in-sight into the apollo program and all its problems.
Great documentary
dudes kickin that sweet butterfly collar polyester suit...!
Fantastic stuff 👍
Like Eric Lewis below stated, "They don't make shows like this anymore."
Great post TOYO, beauty Mate!
Excellent excellent great synth music
25:17 it is _not_ strange that they had redesigned the spacecraft. The original command module ("Block 1") was designed to specifications from the original mission modes: direct ascent or Earth orbit rendezvous. When NASA switched to Lunar orbit rendezvous the Block 1 spacecraft became unusable for anything beyond Earth orbit missions without a Lunar module. Rather than just switching all work to the new Block 2 design, NAA continued to develop Block 1 too in the hopes that the experiences with it would be useful as Block 2 caught up. By 1967, Block 2 had overtaken Block 1, but important changes in Block 2 (such as managing flammable material, or the outward-opening hatch) unfortunately weren't retrofitted to Block 1.
there's a nice mistake in captions: instead of "Gemini" subs say: "Germany" - - - and it all make sense again...
I'm happy to relate that further review of the pyroclastic moonrocks _has_ discovered traces of water! =]
How to do the impossible, overcome politics.
It's the most difficult fact of life, identifying common purpose and carrying out the process, everyone included. Opposition without reasonable explanations does nothing for anyone.
Actually, the politicians were very much involved.
This is what this country can do when the leaders all get scared shitless about not being the most powerful nation on Earth.
SURPRISED NO ONE COMMENTED ON THIS...
"*how are we going to get to the moon when we cannot talk between two BUILDINGS ??!!"
(*GUS GRISSOM RIP)
gus first said "three buildings"..which he later.changed to
"two buildings"
The problem was that the NASA comms system used one form of wiring for their internal comms system (three wire) and the land lines between the sites doing the tests (ie Huston and the launch Control Blockhouse at Kennedy) used a two wire system. Rocco Petrone actually mentions it on this film. Conversion equipment between the two systems were not reliable.
But
Anyone got any ideas who did the music.
I'd say it's almost certainly Paddy Kingsland, Roger Limb or Peter Howell... but I can't quite put my finger on who.
Yes
I thought "BBC Radio phonics workshop" before I even googled those names. Utter pioneers
The one thing I really learned new in this presentation was where 5 9's comes from - reliability engineering.
***** You need to rethink your life.
@56:17 "All that you love and all that you know..."
Did anyone else think of Us and Them from Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon at that point?
the BBC realesed a copy of this on a 50th anniversry dvd
James Burke-- always the best from him!
Politicizing space discovery. Interesting how science has grown along side the conjuring of perceptions. Hopefully one day scientific progress will not depend on the falsification of one's neighbors. Yet, in the midst of it all the actual heart of discovery is beautiful.
I love your take on this. TY
TACTlacker haven’t seen this in awhile, interesting how this dynamic functions through the different parties at different times of emphasis.
Interesting that Jack Schmitt was unaware that Block I & Block II spacecraft had been developed in parallel. Block I was a non-lunar mission capable vehicle, having only a single hatch, not intended for EVA so it opened inwards to provide easier sealing in vacuum. The Block II being the built for rendezvous and docking with LM, as well a an outward opening hatch that was EVA capable.
Great show! James Burke was a likeable man.
wow filled the upper stage with sand? wow america could have been 1st with a satellite! amazing program with key persons giving their accunts.
It was because Eisenhower didn’t want to be first because of the uncertainty of overflight rules in the world at the time. He didn’t know how the soviets would react.
Known cia fact. He actually sent security guards to the launch and vonbhraun staffer hid a satellite in his trunk but couldn’t use it.
Look up the events surrounding the competition about the international geo physical year.
Just superb. Exposes today's junk as the comedy half hour it really is.
Burke talks to 3 of the "Four Horsemen" who pushed NASA to increase the Apollo science effort. L to R: Jerry Wasserberg, Bob Walker, Jim Arnold (Paul Gast d. 1973)
37:13 uphill fight for science
41:45
45:59
47:41
48:27 Wasserberg's startling lunar bombardment results
50:22 Burke: Do you know the origin of the Moon? Wasserberg's emphatic and sly "No. ... Do you?" is a straight man's pitch to Jim Arnold. Their exchange is my favorite moment.
Whos the 4th?
@@lloydtshare the 4th was Paul Gast, who died in 1973 and was thus not available when this was made around the 10th anniversary of the first Apollo moon landing
It has bean more then 50 years and we shall return before this dacade us out.
3:23 I've read before that the decision to go to the moon was made in a car park. In fact I've refered to it when reminding managers that they're wasting a lot of time in meetings but I've never actually seen the car park where it happened.
What a Burke ...
We need another space race, something to inspire people and push innovation and technology to new heights. All my life we have been looking back to great accomplishments but not really trying to improve upon them. We have stagnated and in some ways regressed. Flat Earthers and Moon Landing deniers are listened to instead of being laughed out of the room as their willful ignorance and stupidity deserves.
Its now 2023 putting a man on the Moon today is like reading a Jules Verne novel (science fiction). I'm 55 I've always believed they went to the Moon, but with he carry on that's happening today about doing it again I'm beginning to question my belief.
Damn good show!
"in the minds of MEN every where" he would not get away with that today.
No Homo sapien has ever said anything more true.
Am I politically correct enough now? 😆
One important thing that came out of the program was freeze dried ice cream.
Which tastes awful, my sister bought some for me when she visited KSC
@@richardvernon317 It's a ritual. i live an hour north of KSC and an hour east of Disney World. Ya gotta get freeze dried ice cream at KSC just like ya gotta get a Mickey bar when you visit Disney.
And Velcro
The usual politics of the space race and not the technical aspects; but, this is perhaps one of the earliest presentations of these revelations; today, people wouldn't get much out of this.
Why don't most people get into science/mathematics? Why didn't everyone from Eisenhower to Kennedy see that the real space race should have been to colonize space; to tap the energy and matter of space?
oker59 There were too many terrestrial issues to be able to convince people of the value of investment into such endeavors I'd guess.
This is still true today, that's why NASA's budget is similar to that of a large city instead of a real commitment to the work it does.
Today, we would say, 'what came out of Apollo was the internet kids who then went on to make the private space industry'!
+oker59 and are we today colonizing space? Read more, educate yourself more and you will know why we aren't....
The real reason is deep space radiation is a killer. Not in regards to short time exposure as done in the Apollo flights to the moon, but in long duration flights to Mars. You would have to provide the same protection as given by 100km of atmosphere and a powerful magnetic field which in metal terms is a hell of a lot of weight. That's the biggest issue stopping long duration manned deep space flight.
They're in the command module stimulator at 18:09...!
I get it's a typing error, but "Command Module Stimlulator" sounds like an adult movie title!!
Nice white safari suit... I'm guessing C&A...?
Little known fact: Thomas Paine @ 31:33 played Red Green on TV.
He was UKs version to Carl sagen. .
Except that Burke isn't a scientist, he's a science historian.
Seriously? That ending with no Carl Sagan?!?
When the BBC had real presenters and journalists..
James Burke...The Don 🕶
James Burke rocks...
39:20 "Are you kidding? Does he know what we are doing? Tell him to call back when we aren't so busy." (Gawd damn politicians!)
Eric Taylor Yes, it's the main reason there's no good quality photo of Neil Armstrong on the moon. Neil had taken the famous photo of Buzz and at some point shortly after, he was supposed to give Buzz the camera so that his picture could be taken. Nixon's call caused enough of a disruption that it never happened. Aside from his first step video, there's just some low quality shots from the LM camera that happened to have Neil in it and one with his back turned to the camera. That's all we have of the first man to walk on the moon because Nixon had to score some points.
mako88sb You do know this is a joke don't you?
+Eric Taylor funny man, you do know grissom wasma.big detractor of the program..hanging an actual LEMON on the CM..incidentally
grissoms family is still investigating the "murder "
of GUS and his crew..
stating that the incident revolves around a metal plate, which caused a short and subsequent FIRE in the pure ox atmosphere wiping out all in a flash....of course when burning to death theres no such a thing as "in a flash" as it would feel as if it went on forever..judging from severe burn survivor stories after the fact.
Scott Prendergast
There is a very good docu-drama on HBO called "From the Earth to the Moon" that has an entire episode to Apollo 1.
Gus was a professional test pilot. He wasn't critical of the PROGRAM, he was critical of the shotty construction of the CM. The ship had a huge number of problems and THAT was what the lemon was about.
If Gus had known just how bad it really was, he never would have gotten in the ship. NONE of the astronauts would have.
As for your "murder" accusation, don't be stupid. The Apollo 1 fire was an ACCIDENT. A stupid accident, sure, but an accident all the same.
The crew of Apollo 1 didn't burn to death. In fact their bodies suffered no heat damage at all due to their space suits (which were designed to handle high heat). They died of asphyxiation when the fire burned through their hoses. If the suits had been self contained they would have survived.
Eric, I agree with you completely that Grissom was critical of the CM's shoddy workmanship, but not critical of the program as a whole. And also, anyone who labels this tragedy as a murder is simply willfully ignorant.
But I do have to disagree with you about the way Grissom, White and Chaffee died. There are many copies of the actual recording of communications leading up to, and including the final moments of the 3 astronauts. Their bodies did suffer massive burn damage, though Chaffee had far less burns than the other 2 (he was seated the furthest from where the fire started). Presumably NASA released the "death by asphyxiation" story in order to spare the families even further trauma.
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Another Apollo documentary by James.
Wow, that's great, I've never seen that! Thanks for sharing!
Astonishing.
45:30 Wait, are you saying they pissed on the rocks?
So many silly people pretending not to believe in the moon landing in a sad and desparate bid for attention !
Just like the actual other side of the moon... Dark and cold.
Moon colonies.What's the hold up, man?
Don't forget Tang and peanut butter and chocolate flavoured space food sticks.
38:23
adorable guy-professor wasserburg in western tie !
yippe kiy yay oy vez mya boobala!
cute
I know one thing we see everyday that came from Apollo, singe pack condiments, like ketchup, mayo, and mustard.
Smoke detectors, and the modern computer chip as well.
Wikipedia has a great list called something like NASA spinoffs. It broken down by category. There's a lot we owe Apollo for, and NASA in general.
@@lordgarion514 there is a bit of PR in there. The computer chip already existed however it's cost meant it was only used in space and weight critical systems such as rockets both military and civil. The apollo guidance computer design had its roots in work done for the Titan missile program.
@@Spookieham
Computer chips existed. The kind we use today were developed by NASA.
Just like cordless tools
They already existed, but sucked, so NASA gave a contract that lead to the development of a new DC motor, that we still use today.
So while NASA didn't invent the computer chip, or cordless tools, they invented the ones we still use today.
Which is why I specifically said "modern" computer chips
what did that Clausewitz guy write, "...no logical limit to the application of force..."
51:40 They wanted to build the Space Shuttle. That worked!
t failed as do most American projects Apollo was German
@@ronaldschultenover8137 No it wasn't. Don't be ignorant.
Right..... the moon landing.... Fun tale.
This has 1969 likes! 👍
Tang breakfast drink.
I had no idea Johnson was so important getting NASA going. It still doesn't make up for Viet Nam, Johnson's war!
He got his bit, too, politically. He got his great home state of Texas their space center in Houston. He pushed really, really hard to make it there when there were other, closer-to-Cape-Canaveral potential build locations in Georgia, Alabama and the Carolinas.
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The importance of landing on the moon then, has evaporated and is still a political issue