Marshall DSL 20HR UH OH!?!? - Check this
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- Опубликовано: 5 июн 2018
- While I love the tones I can get out of this new DSL, I can't get passed the signal drop when using a looper and switching between channels. Too bad cuz I really liked the tones.
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An easy enough solution would be to stay on the clean channel and engage a drive pedal of some sort, but I understand the frustration. Not a deal breaker for me, fortunately. Thanks for highlighting this issue for the world to see. Thumbs up!
imdartson - that would certainly work, good idea. I doubt it was meant to work this way, the guys at Sweetwater were also baffled and believe later DSL20 runs worked properly.
I had the same problem with one of the 4 I have owned. Sweetwater replaced it with one that works correctly. The first few runs of these DSL20's are all defective. They either have hissing/wind noise with nothing connected, emulated out issues where the volume controls do not work with or without headphones connected, volume drops using X loop. Marshall is well aware of these issues and should have a recall on all of the first run DSL20's. They actually fixed my first DSL20 combo I bought used off of Ebay for free even though it was not under warranty. The latest one I have sounds amazing and works flawless. It has a serial number date code of 11/2018, so I would make sure you get one with that date or newer. It took 3 returns to Sweetwater to get me a perfect amp so they do exist. Only downfall of all 4 of the amps I have owned is that they all "pop" when going from ultra gain to classic gain with both volumes below 12 o'clock. Above 12 o'clock, no "popping" I crank both volumes up and use a Weber MiniMass 50 to attenuate it down, and it is the best sounding amp I have ever owned.
Todd Whitmer - Points for perseverance Todd. I may have to check out another one because I’d really rather have a 20 watt head than my 40 watt combo. Thanks for the update \m/
@@oldguyjammin9732 It truly is a great amp. I have it paired with an Avatar Vintage 212 with open back loaded with UK Greenbacks and it roars! I use a Weber MiniMass 50 attenuator with it. Setting the volume levels dimed and attenuating it down takes away all the fizziness of the amp away and allows the power tubes to cook and give incredible tone at bedroom levels. Only problem I have now is that cab is way to big for the stages I am playing on so I am looking for a decent and smaller 1x12 to pair it with. I am torn between the Peavey 112-6, Hughes & Kettner TM112, or the Egnator Tweaker 112. Any suggestions?
Todd Whitmer - turn your 2x12 on end and keep it! I really don’t have specific cab recommendations just because they’re all so different and can sound even ‘defferenter’ depending on the amp they’re hooked up to. However, I have had the HK and it sounded NO better than my VHT cab. So I’d pass on the HK and I’d pass on the REBEL 1x12 because it’s vented and a bit small. The Tweaker 1x12 might be the thing. I was looking at those but wasn’t sure because sometimes I like to close up the backs of my cabs... like when playing the EVH head... it likes closed cabs but the Blackstar head loves an open back cab, really makes a huge difference. The Tweaker cab is certainly well put together, a little bigger box and open backed. It look real nice to have a Marshall cab to match your head. Does Marshall have a nice 1x12 with a Greenback in it? I’d get two for a little stack at home and then when you play out you could just grab one!! :). Good luck \m/
@@oldguyjammin9732 I actually today just had the idea to turn the Avatar cab on it's side before I read your comment. It actually sounds even better!! Maybe because now the top speaker is closer to my head! To get a Marshall cab even close to the quality of the Avatar, ie 100% 13 ply Birch, will cost close to $1000. I paid $488 for the Avatar. It is over sized like a Bluesbreaker, 30"Lx24Hx10xW so it is only a little smaller than a half stack, but man the Avatar cabs really do live up to all the hype you read on the Internet about them. Maybe I will get the Tweaker and swap out the Greenback for a Creamback and decide from there. Thanks for all the info!
Apparently the fx loop is placed before either of the preamp channels in this amp, hence the change into volume when using s looper.
hello :) when replacing the tubes you need to set the bias?
I have the same issue. It’s not your FX loop. I have to turn up the gain volume up to compensate
I just picked up a new DSL-20CR. Me, and my son, nail Judas Priest songs, with him on the DSL 20HR half stack, and me on the combo. They are great amps according to our local "tech guy."
Metal GuitarSolid - How fun to be jammin’ with your kid - I’m jealous. Yep, I’m super happy with my DSL40CR and I’ve heard that the loop issue in the 20 series has been fixed, so HELL YA! Rock the Judas Priest all day long \m/
Great video man . Yeah i always use effects through front input unless ita a noisegate etc . Can you tell me if this 20 watt would be loud enough against a hard rock drummer not.micd pls
That’s a relative question, but I’d say if you’re running a 4x12 (at least a 2x12) with a little dirt you’ll be happy with it. Not a lot of clean headroom. My DSL20 combo in my room does about 114 dB which is pretty darn loud - that’s maxed out. You can also use a clean boost to get another few dB out of it. Once you get the master up past noon it really shines - omg good \m/ go for it!
Truth is with a dual rectifier amp you’d have to use a overdrive pedal for your leads. Can’t switch channels and expect it to stay the same.
Howdy.
I have a question if I may?
Can I run 2, 2x12 8 ohm cabs into a Marshall dsl20 head. The back has 1, 1x16 ohm output. And 2, 1x8/ 2x16 ohm output. I'm a bit confused. Would I need 2 16 ohms cabs or are 2 8 ohm cabs a collective 16 ohms?
Any information would be appreciated
Also. What preamp tubes you got in there. That lead stuff sounded syrupy. Smooth
You can run 1 16 ohm cab from that jack ( your combo speaker or an extension) OR, from the other two 16 ohm jacks, run ONE 8 ohm or TWO 16 ohm cabs. You can not run two 8 ohm cabs. One 16 or Two 16, or one 8.
@@oldguyjammin9732 that's a bummer. My old single rectifier head has two 4 ohm outputs and 1, 8 ohm. It would be able to handle 2, 8 ohm cabs together. The manual says it would be a combined 4 ohms. Marshall sells the mx 4x12 cabs. They're 16 ohms only. Guess you could have a full stack for a 20 watt head if you wanted to.
@@J_Braz_ - yaaa, one is 'american' and one is 'british' - - go figure. Amp techs have told me you can go twice over or divide by half without ruining your amp, but...? You could still get an 8 ohm 4x12 by running two 8 ohm paralleled with 2 more 8 ohm paralleled in series with each other. Do you want to run TWO 4x12s on top of one another... like a full STACK??? Does anyone do that anymore? :-)
I have had mine since it was released... but the combo version. i put a jensen p12q in it after getting it.. 2 weeks ago i put Svetlana el34s in it, tung sol 12ax7 in v1 and v3 and sovtek 5751 in v2 ... all that tamed the ultra gain but also the classic channel got super clean.. kinda like my old princeton i had...
dillon bell well that's cool, it's really awesome to be able to find the tones you're looking for with a few easy mods. Yep, it's a nice amp for sure. Probably would have kept mine if not for the fx loop issue. I ended up getting an Egnater Rebel 30 MKII.
Everyone at Marshall says my unit must have been defective, or in need of an update... Update? That's weird. Anyway, I'm gonna try another one (the 5CR so I can really crank it) and I'll keep your tube recs in mind.
V1 in the DSL20HR is actually the Ultra Gain preamp tube. V2 is your Classic Gain. Put the 5751 in V1 & the 12Ax7 in V2.
Mark Marshall i contacted marshall and v2 is for the gain thats why i put the 5751 there.. it tames it down pretty good.. i swapped it before to see what i could get and it was the same as stock
dillon bell, I and many others in the Marshall Forum have found the opposite. Perhaps two different releases or versions of the design?
It's hard to know until Marshall releases the schematics - eventually (or they leak out from someone at an authorized repair center).
There's no real need to lower the gain on the Ultra Gain channel anyways. Between 9 & 11 o'clock are some of the most glorious JCM800 tones ever. From there, just roll back your guitar volume to about 7 to get perfect rhythm gain & tone.
Try a buffer with the looper
I love mine, I know that. I had the 6505 mini, sent it back, don't regret it at all! -Here's my DSL 20HR, fully saturated: ruclips.net/video/FTNLqClynPI/видео.html
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Looper goes in front of amp and not the fx loop.
Hey Ace! Loopers can work pretty well into the front of amps but if you rock with any sort of distortion they fail unless run through the fx loop. Try it, you'll see what I mean.
@@oldguyjammin9732 right, while what you said is true, there's no real solution when it comes to wanting to use distortion either than running two separate amps. There's no other way around that. Loopers work best in the front. Amp isn't the issue, it's the setup.
@@g-9976 - the techs at Sweetwater got into this Marshall Model and verified that it is wired up differently than "typical" with the fx loop being placed prior to the preamp rather than between the preamp and the output stages. They couldn't get their heads around why Marshall would have done this because of the havoc it causes with anything placed in the fx loop (delay, mod, looper, etc) when changing channels. They were as frustrated as I was with it and accepted it back as "defective". But I'm glad you're happy with it :) Running two amps just to facilitate a dirty lead is ridiculous. Having the fx loop between the preamp and output stages is the solution. Marshall goofed.
@@oldguyjammin9732 I don't own one but I found this video interesting. Well regardless, thanks for trying man and I hope you figure out your situation. Keep up the reviews and demos as this is worth learning. Take it easy brother
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IMO, it is not smart to use a looper back into the amp that is then used to play the following live part. IME a guitar amp can't handle those different signals at the same time (like playing 2 guitars into one amp at the same time). It's better to loop really post amp and send the looped sound to a dedicated Full Range Speaker.
JulHerderMusic - ultimately I’d say you were right if really good definition and signal separation is desired but in this case I think Marshall goofed somehow because any effect in the loop like a delay, chorus or reverb is going to significantly jump or drop when ever the user switches channels. I.E. you want just a little ambient reverb (like a shimmer effect), you switch channels and ‘Whoa’ way too much, or if switching the other way... ‘hey, where did my shimmer go?’. If you’re in the market, the DSL40CR is not that much more and well worth it in tone and features. L8R \m/
JulHerderMusic - the more I think about this the more I’d like to try it. Looper in front of the amp - fair, looper in the fx loop - better, looper into a dedicated amp probably even better, maybe best! I use mostly a ditto but also have a boss looper pedal with two inputs and two outputs. Do you suppose I could use one of those outputs to run the looped phrase into another amp while leaving my pedal board and main rig free for lead work over the phrase? I don’t want to have to try and plug or unplug between writing the phrase and then leading out.
@@oldguyjammin9732 I tried to understand your suggested method, but I'm not quite sure I did.... So I just tell how I would do it.... maybe it helps.... I would go guitar -> amp input -> (all the effects in the loop and) speaker out -> two notes loadbox or DI-Box -> and then one cable to a speaker/load and one into a looper -> Full Range PA speaker..... so you take the signal post-amp into a PA speaker, which leaves the amp unoccupied for the second/third/fourth phrase. The mud is generated in the amp when it is feed by 2 differing signals..... taking it after the whole amp clears it up, because both looper and PA speaker are capable of playing back different tracks at once. I hope I could make it a little bit clearer.
@@JulHerderMusic - thanks man, I can see what you're describing. And yes, looper in the Front of the amp does not sound good, Looper in the loop not half bad though. Your method is definitely the best for signal separation. I got some of that stuff at home - I'll see what I can do! Thanks again
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