Thanks for the feedback 👍. I have another video of adding a socket to a ring that you may find useful here - ruclips.net/video/TPnce20ceBQ/видео.htmlsi=6RWLh7rCwxg8FJhP
Great video, I plan to do this very soon. Difference is I plan to extend from a existing socket rather than cutting into the ring and extending it as the new on will go at the other side of the wall to a existing socket.
@grahamcharlton861 you are not allowed to add 3 sockets from an existing socket. When you use an existing socket on a ring main and add an additional wire to a new socket this is called a spur. You are only allowed to add one double plug socket from this. No more. However you can wire a 13A fused spur from the existing socket, then you can add as many additional sockets as you like.
I missed the reply. I'm extending the ring and you can add 3 sockets by extending the ring as long as you have enough amps on the line P.S. I'm not a electrician and don't claim to be so take anything I say with a pinch of salt and contact a proper electrician
The joys of working with old houses. My house is 130 years old and has the lovely mortar walls. I have never been brave enough to hack them off, so have skimmed over them all, but the mortar comes to bite me in the ass everytime I drill a hole.
Loft was complete years ago. I lost a lot of footage which is yet to be recovered from my hard drive. Hopefully I'll get it back and bang a few more vids out. Thanks for watching 👍
When you break existing ring does the new cable need to be attached in a certain way. Eg does the electricity current come from one direction and exit the room in a different direction on the ring. If so how can you check/test for this?
It was purely the mess and the fact I'd have to replaster a section of wall. I had enough work to do on the room already plus the sockets are hidden by the TV unit. Thanks for watching 👍
@@graemewright2905 I thought regs were for new builds but are you seriously suggesting that the "Reg Police" will visit my Victorian flat with sockets cut into the skirting boards themselves and demand they be pulled out..... Recently had an electrician fit a new fusebox and EICR passed without issue so not sure what the problem is. Just about to extend the ring and add three sockets to my bedroom cut into the skirting boards, the same as the rest.
The only circuits you are likely to find under the floorboards will be lighting or the Ring, and they have different cable sizes. You might find a circuit for a boiler as well, but that is unlikely. Testing the cable using something like that shown in the video, and knowing what circuit you have turned off in the consumer unit, will also help you to know you have the correct cable for the ring.
Amazing video. Can I ask, if you were to do this yourself, some electrical experience but competent, do you need to get any certificate to get this signed off. Also, I have a multi-tool that I brought during Black Friday, seen a few videos people have used this instead of sds and then hammer with a chisel. What is that blade called you used with the multi-tool. Also, can you give a link to your pen tester as well or similar one. Thank you, subscribed. Will come in handy when I do this to my own home.
I'm an average DIY'er but extended the ring in my kitchen adding four sockets. Also ran 6mm from fusebox to a cooker switch then CCU and on to my oven and hob. Finally had an electrician fit a new fusebox and the preceding EICR was issued without problems.
@@raj080288 - A ring connects back to itself at the consumer unit, so testing two live or neutral or earth ends should give a low resistance reading (with the power off of course, and all devices unplugged/isolated).
@jablot5054 why would you down rate the mcb? Your just adding a spur on a ring main, don't need to touch the MCB at all, this is why "competent" people shouldn't be touching electrics
Can someone put this question to bed. Is using the Wago 221/222 for a 32A MCB acceptable on a ring? I read when fitted in the junction box that its de-rated to 20A.... Thanks in advance
The beauty of ring mains is there are TWO! cables/paths running back to the consumer unit. 2.5mm^2 can not handle 32A, but two lots of twin and earth 2.5mm^2 easily can! Same for the connectors. Your logic is correct for radial circuits, especially those for the beefier cooker and shower. the cable and connectors need to match the circuit breaker in the consumer unit.
@@alstonofalltrades3142 I aware of the current carrying capacity for 2.5mm2, and the benefits of load sharing on ring circuits. Was looking for an answer specific to wago connectors when used in a maintenance free junction box application. Thanks
Using wago boxes under floor boards likely would not meet building regs as not readily accessible. Should be crimped and additional heat sealed sleeves.
Doing tgat would have taken half my wall off! It's victorian with lime mortar on the walls 140 years old, it doesn't take much to bring itvaway from the wall. Thanks for watching 👍
@@fabianmckenna8197 done that 1000 times. If there is new plasterboard wall no need for screws as the wall is straight gripfill is enough. Btw at the bottom of he wall there is either wood or metal stud. Been on buildings sites all my life.
You've done it already now, but the Wago 222 connectors you've used to extend the ring circuit in a maintenance free installation are "de-rated" down to 20amps. Your ring circuit OPD is rated at 32amps. This means your connection is in theory rated lower than your conductor and your OPD, and is now hidden underneath the floorboards. You also are required to cable tie the maintenance free junction box closed. It would also be useful if you pointed out to your viewers the importance of the positioning of the cable grips in the wagobox/connexbox - the cable clamp/grip feature is an essential part of the junction box becoming "maintenance free". You also should point out the importance of working out the max aggregate current guidance on junction boxes? These things all need to be considered. This information is all freely available from the manufacturers and from NAPIT etc. Check out the hager/ashley 32amp maint free junction box. Its a decent product.
Some of this I don't think is right. You can use rated 20amp connecters on a ring because it has 2 different legs the current can flow....so each leg won't have more then 20amps on.
As a non electrician, I struggle to understand why the cable is needed from the second socket back to the first. I just can't get my head around it. Also, am I correct in saying the second socket could have been a spur off the first socket?
One leg went to the socket on the left, the other leg to the socket on the right, and then cable between the two to complete the ring. One socket on the ring and the other a spur is an option. But why use a spur when you have two legs for the ring available?
Can I put a socket lower than 450mm? The Building Regulations now require that power sockets must be positioned no lower than 450mm above the floor, Oh "Henry" is NOT a "Hoover" its made by "Numatic"
Wow....... My Victorian flat has all sockets cut onto the skirting boards at 80mm height. I think the regs apply only to new builds only unless they are going to check out thousands of old flats.
DON'T! Rely on those mains tester pens. They ARE unreliable. Use another means in addition to ensure the circuit is dead. And just pocking the tip or the tester on the cable isn't good enough, I did that once and got no indication it was live. You have to wipe the pen all around the cable. But again, don't rely on just those testing pens.
i have 2 of the pens and kept hearing they can stop working. i always use both and a socket tester if on a socket, and one pen stopeed working and didnt detect, even with fresh batteries, so its true dont rely on 1 method alone. binned the pen. blue one from screwfix.
Working in my sons house we had a unidentified disconnected cable in loft it was showing dead on a pen type mains tester so I snipped it & yep it was still alive so much for cheap Chinees crap lecky tools which does not get tested & would no way pass Govt regulated Elec Regs same with their cheap Zillion watt Diamond core drills of which the earths are non existent & have been banned in Britain but still selling on certain sites in UK FFS!
My test......... Plug in radio and play loudly Shut off power to sockets at fusebox . Wait for music to stop and wife to complain that her TV isn't working.
It's more the plaster, it's over tge top of old lime mortar. Hense why I didn't chase tge boxes out, ends up taking half the wall off! Thanks for the feedback 👍
@@POUSEaroundtheHOUSEWall plugs are awkward things to work with especially on old buildings but in my experience the impact is asking for problems. A normal drill on screwdriver low torque setting usually gets them in fine without damage; better to start with low torque 👍
DO NOT FOLLOW THIS VIDEO AS ADVISE - whilst the install advise is generally ok, the electrical advise is not - no insulation testing, no ring continuity testing, no R1+R2, RCD or Zs tests. How does he know he hasn't extended a spur and created a serious fire hazard. And the use of a volt pen… this is not exactly safe isolation !! If I worked like this I would be dead within weeks.
Following this excellent video with a couple of exceptions....... I'm extending the ring using two junction boxes and adding three sockets. I switch off the fusebox to be doubly sure it's off. I'm cutting metal boxes into the Victorian skirting boards (at a height of 80mm) as it keeps them flush and avoids messy chasing in the brick wall. Thank you to @POUSEaroundtheHOUSE as it was really just a memory jog as I extended the kitchen ring a few years back but was able to do it without junction boxes.
Maintenance free boxes are which this one is, hence why I used it. They need a physical clamp on the the sheath of the cables, and secured to a joist. The box then sealed with a cable tie as mentioned in the video. Thanks for watching.
@@POUSEaroundtheHOUSE Thanks for that info. I would still rather pull through a new cable, and have all junction points accessible. Good video for those that aren't like me.
@@GeraldDove-i1z Horses for courses....... I'm extending the ring in my back bedroom and adding three sockets. My electrician brother-in-law did the original rewire late 80's and only left me two sockets in a 14'x11' room but with two floorboards lifted I can access three mounting points and cut in two junction boxes on the ring so simple job. How would you use an unconcealed junction box under the floorboards........
Mr Prouse .. I've enjoyed your videos. But in this case we need to remember that all cable joints should be at fittings where they are accessible later. Maintenance free joints hidden under floors and in walls should only be used as a last resort. Also this really is a job for a qualified professional electrician.. its past DIY level.. and as such shouldn't really be encouraged.
To my knowledge a maintenence free box if installed correctly can be used full stop. You say last resort, what other option did I have? As for encouraging, I'd say I'm showing the correct way, rather than encouraging. If someone is intending to do this work anyway, then better to do it as safe as possible rather than guess. Thanks for the feedback 👍
@ricos1497 I think I deleted my reply. What did I say? 😳 I may have been inaccurate. Regs changed in 2013 and less became notifiable. Spur is not notifiable and my interpretation is extending a ring isn't if its not in a special location.
Sorry but you have multiple sockets in that room and floor boards already lifted. You have then decided to create weak points in the circuit by breaking in to it instead of lifting a couple of extra floorboards to re run 2 legs from near by sockets. Now you have a junction box under floor boards instead of all connections being easily accessible at every socket. If you did this on the job you’d be out on your arse. The worst part is there are 51k views of people that might think this is a good idea. This should only be used in situations where no other options are available.
Whilst you're correct in what you've done in terms of adding those sockets to the ring main, this was a very very quickly overview and nobody should be promoting this as something diyers should do... Too many people may see this, feel too confident and pose a serious risk to themselves or family
You may be right, but I think someone looking for this video is likely to do it anyway. I fully take your point regarding quick overview but I guess that's the nature of video format. If it was in real time it'd be a pretty dull watch! Thanks for the feedback and thanks for watching 👍
Not everyone can afford the the rip off prices of tradesmen, finding a 'genuine' tradesman is next to impossible nowadays. My son recently called an electrician to price up the fitting of a chandelier, the guy called and spent 10 minutes looking at the proposed fitting. He then demanded £70 for the 'call out', he was shown the door and told not to return. This scammer was found on 'Check a Trade'.
This is not good . Not once do you explain about checking the existing installation before adding these new sockets. Also never assume a ring is a ring without testing. It’s so easy if you don’t know what your doing to cut into a cable that’s a spur or a broken ring. You should never be showing this sort of stuff to DIYers
IMHO the information is already out there in many books and other formats. I haven't watched this gentleman's video in full but whether he uploaded it or not people will still attempt such work for various reasons, and with varying degrees of success. Of course if you are not competent you shouldn't attempt the work. But there are a lot of people who aren't competent drivers but they'll still be out on the road endangering themselves and others, whether or not they've watched some moron being pursued by police on RUclips. Rant over. Peace to all...
@andysims4906 You're assuming it's DIYers watching. From the comments it appears it's all electricians telling me I shouldn't be uploading such videos! 😂 The work is not notifiable in Wales so people may well attempt this work as a DIYer regardless. Hopefully they'll have half a chance of getting it right now. Also there are many other vids showing this work online. Thanks for the feedback and thanks for watching 👍
@@POUSEaroundtheHOUSE they ain’t worried about any one catching a Zapp their worried your putting them out of a job that they can go pounce a extra £200 to take home 🏡
No. In fact, it's very good, and very useful. Who didn't check? Who assumed anything? How many live cables have been cut into by qualified electricians? The assumption that a qualification proves common sense and intelligence is a false one.
@@POUSEaroundtheHOUSENo worries....... If not sure, just switch the whole fusebox off. Probably someone out there telling us that's not safe either but it works for me as a competent diy'er. Many years ago, I was cleaning the metal work stand beneath a four pot Cona Coffee maker using a nice wet cloth when I almost met my maker! The electrician had neglected to reinstall the baseplate covering the electrics and I was thrown across the service area. You never forget that kind of thump on your chest.........
Many of our houses do have concrete floors, especially new homes. Lots of wooden floors though. Don't forget, we have a rich history and some very old houses.
The house was built in 1889 so it isn't of a 'modern construction'. New builds have damp proofed, insulated floors often with underfloor heating and insulated brick cavities or insulated timber frame construction. Hope that helps! Thanks for watching 👍
I think this is the first video I have seen on RUclips where someone adds sockets into the ring rather than adding a spur. Nice tutorial.
Thanks for the feedback 👍. I have another video of adding a socket to a ring that you may find useful here - ruclips.net/video/TPnce20ceBQ/видео.htmlsi=6RWLh7rCwxg8FJhP
Great to see you back. Great info and tips 👍
Thanks for the comment. Glad you found it useful 👍
Fischer are my go to Plugs.
Great video
Mine too!
some tip here on multitool you put two blades and cut the channel at once.
Thanks for the tip 👍
Great video, I plan to do this very soon. Difference is I plan to extend from a existing socket rather than cutting into the ring and extending it as the new on will go at the other side of the wall to a existing socket.
I am needing to do same as need to take feed from existing socket to feed 3 sockets in a media wall will it be same process
@grahamcharlton861 you are not allowed to add 3 sockets from an existing socket.
When you use an existing socket on a ring main and add an additional wire to a new socket this is called a spur. You are only allowed to add one double plug socket from this. No more. However you can wire a 13A fused spur from the existing socket, then you can add as many additional sockets as you like.
I missed the reply. I'm extending the ring and you can add 3 sockets by extending the ring as long as you have enough amps on the line
P.S. I'm not a electrician and don't claim to be so take anything I say with a pinch of salt and contact a proper electrician
Hope it went well, thanks for watching 👍
@grahamcharlton861 best of luck with the project 👍
Fantastic video, thank you. You explained it all so clearly.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it 👍
Boss of the jobs as per. 👍
Thanks for the kind words.
Excellent vid bud, nice and easy to follow.
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
Amazing video! Helped me out a ton so massive thanks 😊
Thanks for watching 👍
I found the Wago XL box is easier to work with than the standard ones, and can take both connections.
Good advice 👍
Excellent DIY video, just what I needed to know. Thanks!
Glad to help.
How to tell if the added sockets are spur or has the existing ring circuit become bigger? Thank you.
The proper way is to test it with proper equipment. I rewired my house so I know exactly what is there. Thanks for watching 👍
Well explained, thank you, just what I wanted to know. Cheers
No problem 👍
Excellent video thanks
No problem 👍
Nice job. Good instruction 👍
Thank you.
Did you check the existing cable under the floor was a part of the ring or just a radial off the ring
I rewired the house so I know is a ring main.
@ I think I would have made that point so anyone that might be thinking of doing something like that would then check themselves
Great job 👍
Thanks 👍
What is the thickness of the cable you are using? Or did I miss that bit? lol.
You missed it! 2.5mm twin and earth.
@@POUSEaroundtheHOUSE
Thank you I watched it on my tea break and just watched it again. lol. Thanks once again. 😀
Thanks amazing video
Thank you so much.
Noob here... Why did the RCD trip if the cables being worked on were isolated?
The joys of working with old houses. My house is 130 years old and has the lovely mortar walls. I have never been brave enough to hack them off, so have skimmed over them all, but the mortar comes to bite me in the ass everytime I drill a hole.
Exactly the same issue I have. If you start chipping it away you can create a much bigger problem. Thanks for watching 👍
How’s the loft conversion going? Looking forward to the next video 👍
Loft was complete years ago. I lost a lot of footage which is yet to be recovered from my hard drive. Hopefully I'll get it back and bang a few more vids out. Thanks for watching 👍
When you break existing ring does the new cable need to be attached in a certain way. Eg does the electricity current come from one direction and exit the room in a different direction on the ring. If so how can you check/test for this?
😂
Very good explanation …….any reason why you didn’t bury the sockets in the wall to match the others instead of mounting a wall box ?
It was purely the mess and the fact I'd have to replaster a section of wall. I had enough work to do on the room already plus the sockets are hidden by the TV unit. Thanks for watching 👍
They look a bit low for the regs to me unless that's big skirting
@@graemewright2905
I thought regs were for new builds but are you seriously suggesting that the "Reg Police" will visit my Victorian flat with sockets cut into the skirting boards themselves and demand they be pulled out.....
Recently had an electrician fit a new fusebox and EICR passed without issue so not sure what the problem is.
Just about to extend the ring and add three sockets to my bedroom cut into the skirting boards, the same as the rest.
@@fabianmckenna8197 now they've read this they'll ne round tomorrow 😂
P.S. When we bought this flat, it had surface mounted round pin sockets and rewireable fuses in the fusebox.........
How do you which is the ring main?
The only circuits you are likely to find under the floorboards will be lighting or the Ring, and they have different cable sizes. You might find a circuit for a boiler as well, but that is unlikely. Testing the cable using something like that shown in the video, and knowing what circuit you have turned off in the consumer unit, will also help you to know you have the correct cable for the ring.
Amazing video. Can I ask, if you were to do this yourself, some electrical experience but competent, do you need to get any certificate to get this signed off. Also, I have a multi-tool that I brought during Black Friday, seen a few videos people have used this instead of sds and then hammer with a chisel. What is that blade called you used with the multi-tool. Also, can you give a link to your pen tester as well or similar one. Thank you, subscribed. Will come in handy when I do this to my own home.
I'm an average DIY'er but extended the ring in my kitchen adding four sockets.
Also ran 6mm from fusebox to a cooker switch then CCU and on to my oven and hob.
Finally had an electrician fit a new fusebox and the preceding EICR was issued without problems.
How do you know it’s a ring circuit
I rewired the house when I bought it. Thanks for watching 👍
You can do a continuity test with a multi-meter.
@@Benzkneeshow would this prove of its a ring or a radial?
@@raj080288 - A ring connects back to itself at the consumer unit, so testing two live or neutral or earth ends should give a low resistance reading (with the power off of course, and all devices unplugged/isolated).
You have 2 browns in the MCB
Stupid question, but what would happen if you put a spur onto a ring circuit?
You can spur off a ring main but max 1 outlet each outlet, unless you wire a fuse spur you can add additional sockets on that spur
You can down rate the mcb
@jablot5054 why would you down rate the mcb? Your just adding a spur on a ring main, don't need to touch the MCB at all, this is why "competent" people shouldn't be touching electrics
All explained here - How to wire a spur socket - ruclips.net/video/KJWHK9YYIHU/видео.html
Enjoy!
Can someone put this question to bed. Is using the Wago 221/222 for a 32A MCB acceptable on a ring? I read when fitted in the junction box that its de-rated to 20A.... Thanks in advance
Yes
The beauty of ring mains is there are TWO! cables/paths running back to the consumer unit. 2.5mm^2 can not handle 32A, but two lots of twin and earth 2.5mm^2 easily can! Same for the connectors.
Your logic is correct for radial circuits, especially those for the beefier cooker and shower. the cable and connectors need to match the circuit breaker in the consumer unit.
@@alstonofalltrades3142 I aware of the current carrying capacity for 2.5mm2, and the benefits of load sharing on ring circuits. Was looking for an answer specific to wago connectors when used in a maintenance free junction box application. Thanks
@@Dr.Stacker Sorry I misunderstood.
One post says that the 20A rating is for the 110v split phase they use in the usa. Dunno if that helps or is true.
How much roughly would a job like that cost ?
It's just DIY for me so I have no idea the going labour rate for that sorry. Thanks for watching.
Couldn’t you have used a Quickwire 4 way splitter?
Using wago boxes under floor boards likely would not meet building regs as not readily accessible. Should be crimped and additional heat sealed sleeves.
Talking rubbish
you don't have to remove the skirting board, just drill thru and get some quick fixing plugs (they longer) , just hammer them in
Doing tgat would have taken half my wall off! It's victorian with lime mortar on the walls 140 years old, it doesn't take much to bring itvaway from the wall. Thanks for watching 👍
no its not just drill thru the board into the wall The quick fixing plugs are thin too@@POUSEaroundtheHOUSE
@@DerekHundik Yeah......
Try doing that with a lathe and plaster wall or indeed a plasterboard wall and let us know how it goes.
@@fabianmckenna8197 done that 1000 times. If there is new plasterboard wall no need for screws as the wall is straight gripfill is enough. Btw at the bottom of he wall there is either wood or metal stud. Been on buildings sites all my life.
You've done it already now, but the Wago 222 connectors you've used to extend the ring circuit in a maintenance free installation are "de-rated" down to 20amps. Your ring circuit OPD is rated at 32amps. This means your connection is in theory rated lower than your conductor and your OPD, and is now hidden underneath the floorboards.
You also are required to cable tie the maintenance free junction box closed. It would also be useful if you pointed out to your viewers the importance of the positioning of the cable grips in the wagobox/connexbox - the cable clamp/grip feature is an essential part of the junction box becoming "maintenance free".
You also should point out the importance of working out the max aggregate current guidance on junction boxes?
These things all need to be considered.
This information is all freely available from the manufacturers and from NAPIT etc.
Check out the hager/ashley 32amp maint free junction box. Its a decent product.
Some of this I don't think is right. You can use rated 20amp connecters on a ring because it has 2 different legs the current can flow....so each leg won't have more then 20amps on.
As a non electrician, I struggle to understand why the cable is needed from the second socket back to the first. I just can't get my head around it. Also, am I correct in saying the second socket could have been a spur off the first socket?
One leg went to the socket on the left, the other leg to the socket on the right, and then cable between the two to complete the ring.
One socket on the ring and the other a spur is an option. But why use a spur when you have two legs for the ring available?
@@martinw245 Cheers Martin. I must admit I do feel a bit silly posting my comment after getting my feeble mind around it 😂
Thanks for explaining.
@alpachino468 I think Martin answered your question? Thanks for watching
Can I put a socket lower than 450mm?
The Building Regulations now require that power sockets must be positioned no lower than 450mm above the floor, Oh "Henry" is NOT a "Hoover" its made by "Numatic"
Wow.......
My Victorian flat has all sockets cut onto the skirting boards at 80mm height.
I think the regs apply only to new builds only unless they are going to check out thousands of old flats.
DON'T! Rely on those mains tester pens. They ARE unreliable. Use another means in addition to ensure the circuit is dead. And just pocking the tip or the tester on the cable isn't good enough, I did that once and got no indication it was live. You have to wipe the pen all around the cable. But again, don't rely on just those testing pens.
Thanks for the feedback.
i have 2 of the pens and kept hearing they can stop working. i always use both and a socket tester if on a socket, and one pen stopeed working and didnt detect, even with fresh batteries, so its true dont rely on 1 method alone. binned the pen. blue one from screwfix.
Working in my sons house we had a unidentified disconnected cable in loft it was showing dead on a pen type mains tester so I snipped it & yep it was still alive so much for cheap Chinees crap lecky tools which does not get tested & would no way pass Govt regulated Elec Regs same with their cheap Zillion watt Diamond core drills of which the earths are non existent & have been banned in Britain but still selling on certain sites in UK FFS!
My test.........
Plug in radio and play loudly
Shut off power to sockets at fusebox .
Wait for music to stop and wife to complain that her TV isn't working.
I'd never use an impact driver on a wall plug mate, its too much force. Hence it broke the plaster.
It's more the plaster, it's over tge top of old lime mortar. Hense why I didn't chase tge boxes out, ends up taking half the wall off! Thanks for the feedback 👍
@@POUSEaroundtheHOUSEWall plugs are awkward things to work with especially on old buildings but in my experience the impact is asking for problems. A normal drill on screwdriver low torque setting usually gets them in fine without damage; better to start with low torque 👍
Concealed junction boxes ....
Concealed maintenance free junction boxes, yes. I explain in the video if you watch it all.
NEVER use a volt stick to test for dead. Use a tester and proving box , like Martin dale. Test between line neutral, line earth, neutral earth.
Thanks for the info.
Rcd tripped😊
Did it?
You forgot to put the socket screw covers on 😂
DO NOT FOLLOW THIS VIDEO AS ADVISE - whilst the install advise is generally ok, the electrical advise is not - no insulation testing, no ring continuity testing, no R1+R2, RCD or Zs tests. How does he know he hasn't extended a spur and created a serious fire hazard. And the use of a volt pen… this is not exactly safe isolation !! If I worked like this I would be dead within weeks.
Thanks for the feedback James 👍
Following this excellent video with a couple of exceptions.......
I'm extending the ring using two junction boxes and adding three sockets.
I switch off the fusebox to be doubly sure it's off.
I'm cutting metal boxes into the Victorian skirting boards (at a height of 80mm) as it keeps them flush and avoids messy chasing in the brick wall.
Thank you to @POUSEaroundtheHOUSE as it was really just a memory jog as I extended the kitchen ring a few years back but was able to do it without junction boxes.
Concealed junction boxes are no longer allowed. Would be better to pull through a new length of cable.
Maintenance free boxes are which this one is, hence why I used it. They need a physical clamp on the the sheath of the cables, and secured to a joist. The box then sealed with a cable tie as mentioned in the video. Thanks for watching.
@@POUSEaroundtheHOUSE Thanks for that info. I would still rather pull through a new cable, and have all junction points accessible. Good video for those that aren't like me.
@@GeraldDove-i1z Horses for courses.......
I'm extending the ring in my back bedroom and adding three sockets.
My electrician brother-in-law did the original rewire late 80's and only left me two sockets in a 14'x11' room but with two floorboards lifted I can access three mounting points and cut in two junction boxes on the ring so simple job.
How would you use an unconcealed junction box under the floorboards........
Why not put metal boxes in them mattresses are crap they break off the wall pulling plugs in and out
Voltage tester is better u can test for 240 between l and neutral and live and earth 240 volt stick not reliable
I thought extending the ring was beyond the permitted scope for non qualified????
If it's not a 'special location' then it's not notifiable in Wales. Hope that helps.
Mr Prouse .. I've enjoyed your videos.
But in this case we need to remember that all cable joints should be at fittings where they are accessible later.
Maintenance free joints hidden under floors and in walls should only be used as a last resort.
Also this really is a job for a qualified professional electrician.. its past DIY level.. and as such shouldn't really be encouraged.
I actually thought it was illegal (not illegal, perhaps, but insurance invalidating) to add a socket as a DIYer.
To my knowledge a maintenence free box if installed correctly can be used full stop. You say last resort, what other option did I have? As for encouraging, I'd say I'm showing the correct way, rather than encouraging. If someone is intending to do this work anyway, then better to do it as safe as possible rather than guess. Thanks for the feedback 👍
@@martinw245 yep, that's what I wasn't sure about. Thanks for clarifying.
@ricos1497
I think I deleted my reply. What did I say? 😳 I may have been inaccurate. Regs changed in 2013 and less became notifiable. Spur is not notifiable and my interpretation is extending a ring isn't if its not in a special location.
@@martinw245 no worries, that makes sense. I'm in Scotland, so the rules might be different here anyway.
Sorry but you have multiple sockets in that room and floor boards already lifted. You have then decided to create weak points in the circuit by breaking in to it instead of lifting a couple of extra floorboards to re run 2 legs from near by sockets.
Now you have a junction box under floor boards instead of all connections being easily accessible at every socket.
If you did this on the job you’d be out on your arse. The worst part is there are 51k views of people that might think this is a good idea.
This should only be used in situations where no other options are available.
Whilst you're correct in what you've done in terms of adding those sockets to the ring main, this was a very very quickly overview and nobody should be promoting this as something diyers should do... Too many people may see this, feel too confident and pose a serious risk to themselves or family
You may be right, but I think someone looking for this video is likely to do it anyway. I fully take your point regarding quick overview but I guess that's the nature of video format. If it was in real time it'd be a pretty dull watch! Thanks for the feedback and thanks for watching 👍
You also recommended any DIY electrical work is checked for part p so I think you’ve advised appropriately.
People should not be messing with electrics 🙈 its not for DIYers
Why not, if you are competent.
Thanks for the feedback.
Just leave electrics to the professionals…jack….didn’t even test for ring continuity…..no loop impedance test done …….certainly a jack
You must be confused, my name's Pouse. Thanks for watching 👍
Not everyone can afford the the rip off prices of tradesmen, finding a 'genuine' tradesman is next to impossible nowadays. My son recently called an electrician to price up the fitting of a chandelier, the guy called and spent 10 minutes looking at the proposed fitting. He then demanded £70 for the 'call out', he was shown the door and told not to return. This scammer was found on 'Check a Trade'.
This is not good .
Not once do you explain about checking the existing installation before adding these new sockets. Also never assume a ring is a ring without testing. It’s so easy if you don’t know what your doing to cut into a cable that’s a spur or a broken ring.
You should never be showing this sort of stuff to DIYers
Blimey why not
IMHO the information is already out there in many books and other formats. I haven't watched this gentleman's video in full but whether he uploaded it or not people will still attempt such work for various reasons, and with varying degrees of success. Of course if you are not competent you shouldn't attempt the work. But there are a lot of people who aren't competent drivers but they'll still be out on the road endangering themselves and others, whether or not they've watched some moron being pursued by police on RUclips. Rant over. Peace to all...
@andysims4906 You're assuming it's DIYers watching. From the comments it appears it's all electricians telling me I shouldn't be uploading such videos! 😂 The work is not notifiable in Wales so people may well attempt this work as a DIYer regardless. Hopefully they'll have half a chance of getting it right now. Also there are many other vids showing this work online. Thanks for the feedback and thanks for watching 👍
@@POUSEaroundtheHOUSE they ain’t worried about any one catching a Zapp their worried your putting them out of a job that they can go pounce a extra £200 to take home 🏡
No. In fact, it's very good, and very useful.
Who didn't check? Who assumed anything? How many live cables have been cut into by qualified electricians? The assumption that a qualification proves common sense and intelligence is a false one.
That is not a reliable way of proving dead, ...you shouldn't be promoting DIY electrical works.
Thanks for the feedback.
@@POUSEaroundtheHOUSENo worries.......
If not sure, just switch the whole fusebox off.
Probably someone out there telling us that's not safe either but it works for me as a competent diy'er.
Many years ago, I was cleaning the metal work stand beneath a four pot Cona Coffee maker using a nice wet cloth when I almost met my maker!
The electrician had neglected to reinstall the baseplate covering the electrics and I was thrown across the service area.
You never forget that kind of thump on your chest.........
Wow British homes are a mess. How many rodents live down there?😅 You guys must be allergic to concrete floor.
Many of our houses do have concrete floors, especially new homes. Lots of wooden floors though. Don't forget, we have a rich history and some very old houses.
The house was built in 1889 so it isn't of a 'modern construction'. New builds have damp proofed, insulated floors often with underfloor heating and insulated brick cavities or insulated timber frame construction. Hope that helps! Thanks for watching 👍
1/2 the houses in the UK were built before concrete was used in home construction.
Utter bollocks
Thanks very much 😁