@@samdunne1990 Labour are on track to receive the same vote share as Corbyn in 2017. It's absolutely true that the collapse of the Tories is responsible for tomorrow's result.
I'm a senior IT server administrator. I'll give you a nice analogy: When IT works, it's completely invisible and transparent, it's boring, it's like your kettle, your fridge or your cooker, it's a tool you don't even think about when you're using it every day. When IT goes wrong, it's the apocalypse, but at no point do you look yourself, no, it's anyone else's fault, not you, no no no. IT is always someone else's problem, not yours. Politics should work like IT when it's working, invisible, transparent, boring. Yet we should be engaged and understand how it works so we can do the most basic of troubleshooting to at least pass on helpful information to the professionals about what the issue might actually be. We have an abbreviation in IT: PICNIC Problem In Chair Not In Computer. I'd rather parliament be full of dull boring people doing their jobs propely with quiet competence than the current s**t show we have that we have allowed to happen.
The problem with British politics is quite simple thanks to FPTP; vote against the party you don’t want in power, rather than vote for the party you do want in power
Exactly that. FPTP sticks around because it _sounds_ fair and is really easy to explain.... it also massively favours whoever's in power, and no government is ever going to change a system that helps keep them in power.
This is why I love Pie. Eviscerating the Tories but fair in his scathing dismissal of Labour. God help Labour when they’re in power, because if they don’t deliver, Pie won’t hold back
At least we'll still get Jonathan Pie vids. If Labour actually would do a proper job, Pie would be out of his. "Luckily", Starmer is a neolib hypocrite leading a gang of nutters barely less antisocial and vicious than the Tories. It's not if Labour will f*ck up, it's when. How many days, how many hours.
Neither will the country mate. But as long as they pander to the woke brigade and immigrants, they’ll stay in power for generations to come. We’re fucked either way.
Oh yes, just cos I want the Tories out BIG time does NOT mean everything labour says or does is beyond reproach, far from it. As Pie said,they had better NOT fekk up, we all need things putting right and this may be their chance to do so.
I'm so tired of people needing to feel inspired in order to vote. I'm sorry you're not getting the pony you wanted. I really am. Here's a voting guide for people who are "just not feeling it". 1) I don't give a fuck if you are or are not hot for some particular candidate. That's what PornHub is for. Jerk off on your own time. 2) If you're too dimwitted to figure out how to vote without getting all tingly in your naughty bits, here are a few helpful hints: A) If one particular party has been an absolute disaster for half a generation, don't vote for them. B) In fact, vote for the people most likely to unseat them. C) Failing that, you might want to consider voting for the people most likely to enact the POLICIES you favor, even if you are not wet "down there". Bizarre, I know. 3) Grow the fuck up.
What has Labour ever done for us - Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s. Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.52. Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales. Funding for every pupil in England doubled. 85,000 more nurses. 32,000 more doctors. Brought back matrons to hospital wards. Child benefit up 26 per cent since 1997. Delivered 2,200 Sure Start Children’s Centres. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & up to £300 for over-80s. Over 36,000 more teachers in England and 274,000 more support staff and teaching assistants. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents. Inpatient waiting lists down by over half a million since 1997. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since before the industrial revolution. Free TV licences for over-75s. Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70. Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s. Free eye test for over 60s. Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds. All prescriptions free for people being treated for cancer or the effects of cancer, and teenage girls offered a vaccination against cervical cancer. Over 42,400 more teachers and 123,000 more teaching assistants than in 1997 The Northern Ireland peace process The UK’s greenhouse gas emissions are now 21% below 1990 levels, beating our Kyoto target. .Over £20 billion invested in bringing social housing to decent standards .Police numbers up by 16,000 since 1997, alongside more than 16,000 Police Community Support Officers In Europe signed the Social Chapter and introduced measures including: four weeks’ paid holiday; a right to parental leave; extended maternity leave; a new right to request flexible working; and the same protection for part-time workers as full-time workers. Introduced the first ever British Armed Forces and Veterans Day to honour the achievements of our armed forces - both past and present.
@@tristandrew5903The gold was sold off to prevent the country from collapsing after hedge funds sold failing investments to some of our major banks. One of those who did that was Rishi Sunak. So maybe blame him more than Gordon Brown. And certainly don't vote for him.
@@tristandrew5903The debt is much worse now as is our global trading standing and our whole economy after Brexit and Liz Truss have had their way with it.
My local tory has warned that labour will bring in "french style labour laws" - what you mean less hours, more rights and stronger unions? You are literally threatening me with a good time.
Yeah imagine a society where you legally can't be made to eat lunch at your desk, where said lunch break is legally protected and work emails cannot be sent on your day off.
If only he had had followed through like the 70's public information ads about not playing in abandoned fridges. But then Sunak could not have dragged the DeFeffel Dirty Toilet Brush out and waved it at the voters which seems to have backfired as it reminded us that sandwiched between Johnson and Sunak was Truss. A right wing Three Way that has shafted the Tories harder than anything.
One author, a few years ago, wrote that the majority of Britons are born defeated, and the mantra of that part of our society is 'keep calm and carry on'. But carry on doing what? One thing that stands out about 'Jonathan', he cares and he will not be silent!
Makes me laugh that Starmer is a "human rights lawyer" who does not think that the Palestinians have no human right, despite Israel being in violation of around 100 UN violation!!
Why should we or Starmer worry about that? Why should Israel worry about it? The Palestinians in Gaza do not even recognise Human rights except as a political lever. They were free and self governing but voted for Hamas who subjugate and oppress women, stone them to death if their behaviour is not right. They murdered all their political rivals soon as they took power and will not hold new elections. They have an official stated policy of genocide of all Israelis and permanent war against Israel that they will not negotiate on. They attack Israel indiscriminately with missiles for decades. Their border has to be sealed to prevent weapons being smuggled in. Hamas divert all aid to build tunnels and stacks of food for themselves, Hamas had enough tunnels, deep enough to shelter all Palestinians but do not. Hamas started the latest conflict deliberately, murdering adults and babies and children and still hold hostages and brainwash their own kids in Gaza Schools with hate. They started the war to stop peace between Israel and its neighbours advancing. They still send missiles to Israel depending on people like you to shelter them from repercussions. Hamas are still supported by Gazans despite all this. Who are we in the west to thwart the position that Gazans have volunteered for. They are all murder lovers getting karma. Other Arab neighbours like Egypt want nothing to do with the Palestinian refugees because they bring trouble. Why don't you take up the cause of the syrian people instead.
@@andybarry5315 Not true at all. Some* Tory voters are turning to Reform. Swing voters are going to Labour and Lib Dems, the borrowed UKIP vote is going back to the far right. Bot farms and a disproportionate over-coverage of Farage is just giving the impression that Reform have a support worth mentioning.
Actually he subtly reveals an important point here. British exceptionalism has gone too far and has contributed to the damage over the last decade or so. People need to get their nationalistic head out of their arse and realise WWII and the 1966 world cup were a long time ago, and the rest of the world is judging the UK by how it acts now and has acted over the whole of history, not some cherry picked snippet.
@@adamlea6339 Bingo. You got it it one. This mentality of artificial superiority on the basis of nationality is... immature, to say the least. I blame the class system, which I think is the source of a lot of what some people would call "entitlement".
The British invented human rights, and leaving a globalist HR charter does not mean we don't have human rights anymore. Jesus christ, look beyond the surface level.
From the perspective of one of your former colonies, you guys don't do human rights very well. You seem to have a very limited view of what counts as human, or rights.
As Billy Connolly once said " The mere fact that these people want to be politicians in the first place, should bar them from being one" have to agree with The Big Yin on that one 😂
I studied politics as a young naive person hoping to "make a difference"... then volunteered with an MP and spent time around other people wanting to be politicians and very quickly decided it was definitely not something I could be part of. The good ones will never make it to the top, a) they have a conscience and wont ,aliciously spread lies to get where they want to be and b) They recognise that any mandate they may want to bring in, is subject to agreement from big business and outside influence.... Democracy, sadly is mostly built on lies and big business / media influence. Power is with the people though, if they could just get over the apathy and self interest....
"The major problem-one of the major problems, for there are several-one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them. To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job." - Douglas Adams
@@cheetara32 well said but what a sad state of affairs we as a nation and world find ourselves in....its also one of the causes of folk confusing celebrity with statesmanship or statespersonship even.
What, a toolmaker? My father in law was also a toolmaker, decent bloke and well worth praising. I am guessing that you are a Calliper short of a Boring Bar.
You're really on fire, Tom. I also hated Tony Blair! The day he was elected as Labour leader, I said to my work colleague that I wouldn't buy a used car off that man. Teflon Tony. And I was so irate about Iraq that I couldn't even bear to say "I told you so". Long time Labour voter, and proud of it, but who I would ideally like to win and who I'm voting for are two separate things this time, too. Still voting Labour. It's just that the system we have of FPTP is not helpful right now. Oh, I agree with what I hear you say here SO MUCH. Where is the moral mission? YES. The NHS, housing, and what about the environment, FFS?! This is going to be a tough 48 hours and I do not expect to sleep much. Thank you, Tom, for Jonathan Pie. Thank you for entertaining and rousing me from the cycle of apathy alternating with despair, to remember that other women died for me to be able to vote and have my say. So I have done. I've marked my X in the box, and God help them and us all if they don't win.
@@leehenry5764 You talk as if the UK had nothing to do with the framing of the ECHR. If you care to read up a little you will see that the UK was a major player in the setting up of the court. People who want the UK out of the ECHR are more than likely to have been leave voters and just how bright were they?
When said politician is a serial liar, broke every pledge he made to become leader, ducks responsibility for his mistakes and blames others, backstabs, takes funding from dubious people including US healthcare giants, and as a human rights lawyer says it's fine to cut off food & water to an oppressed people under attack... it's really NOT what we want.
Yes, I'm craving "captain boring" after brexit, covid, Boris, Truss... A normal ish boring, steady PM with no breaking headlines is what this country needs,
@@jamestheferret I too am hoping for not a single pantomime over the next 5 years. It would also be fab to see PMQs actually have the PM answer some Qs for once, instead of everyone just shouting at each other and cheering when their mate says something unkind. Bit concerned about the number of people who stayed on the other side, but glad none of them understand how voting works and that they can't do basic maths. Possibly a reason not to push more funding into education during the next term.
1. Get the Tories out. 2. Force Labour left 3. Replace Labour if they prove to be Tories in disguise The BIGGEST thing is, get the Tories out. That should cause a quantum shift in the right direction. Getting to the final destination might take longer, but you will never get there without taking that first step.
I’m on board as far as the second of your demands are concerned. It would be beneficial to have each political party represent a specific ideological perspective instead of constantly angling for the centre ground. The problem, of course, is that in our system lack of a majority means that a party can’t get anything done. We’d benefit greatly from a European-style PR voting system, if only to give the smaller parties a chance to have their voices heard, but the two main parties aren’t likely to go for that anytime soon (though if the Tories do badly enough tomorrow and next time around they might start becoming more sympathetic to a non-FPTP system).
Replace them with who? labour won't go left. The left has been expelled. The party has been bought, it IS just Tory in a red rosette. Corbyn should set up a new version of Labour. I actually miss Cameron... sounds daft but he was socially minded, unlike Sunak and the rest. They make me sick
More food banks than McDonald's... Christ that is depressing. Juat checked and there are around 1,350 McDonald's, and over 2,500 food banks. The UK is a joke without a punchline.
Yes remember the thicko who voted tory in a bye election as the torys had given the people more foodbanks than labour.His mate was voting tory as labour had shut the a and e.and the police stations.the reorter asked who been in power for the last 12yrs.Oh the torys he said but was that Thick he couldnt make the connection.probably got his information from the sun or daily mail.😢😢😢😢
Starmer’s mission is to enrich himself to the level of a Sunak. Then, to protect and empower Israel and to welcome them into a power-sharing role in British government. Duh!
It worked for Boris, say nothing and let the otherside dig their own grave, Starmer has kept quite, not turned the investors against him and just been professional. I think we are all bored of personality politics, I dont need to like the guy who runs my local library I just want to have a library that works! Pie for President!!!
Did it? I am pretty sure he just let the right wing press evisarate Corbyn, when the whole media is agaisnt you its hard to speak though, he did himself no favours.
@@davefloyd9443 no. I'm not even in Britain. The same suits run all these countries in the name of de mo crazy. I can't even form the word because utube will block it.
Main word 'Hope'. I have none in this election. Totally disenfranchised. The last time I had 'Hope' was before Corbyn got stitched by a terrified right wing media 😞
he did it till himself, like most left wing purists, they expect the country to bend to them. he thought he could win by populism. starmer is playing the fptp fiddle. the aim is power not to win the argument but be in opposition. I prefer left wing policies, so this is not coming from a hateful place
Please, drag yourself from the computer, go down to the Polling Station and vote for whichever candidate (as long as it is not Reform) is going to get this Tory shower away from power for good. You are responsible for Tories winning if you do not do this one public service. Forget about right, centre, left or far left, just get them out!!!!
Jonathan Pie on Tony Blair - 0:51 “a centrist warmonger... lock & load, and go and kill some Iraqi women and children”. On Starmer - 3:06 “a human rights lawyer, it’s got to be a step in the right direction”, completely failing to mention that Starmer and the Labour party are fully backing an ongoing jen-er-cide (as are the Tories). That’s one subject Jonathan (Tom) has completely avoided. For a political satirist, and someone who claims to take issue with killing women and children, it seems odd that he has never covered this subject. I genuinely wonder why.
I’m in Rachel Reeves’ seat, almost the Labourest of Labour seats that ever Laboured in Labour, so I’ll probably be going either Lib Dem or Green for the sake of at least putting some modicum of pro-EU and anti-FPTP pressure on them. I’d rather they felt some kind of pressure from the left than only seeing the Tories and Reform as the places they can gain and lose votes from. If there was any doubt at all about the outcome, though, I’d be voting tactically to get Labour or the Lib Dems in, whichever one was most likely to keep a Tory out, or unseat an incumbent Tory.
@@rosscannon5834 You do realise Reform are a fascist party? Farrage is admirer of both Hitler and Putin and is often a guest on Russian state TV. Farrage sings Hitler youth songs and has said Hitler got it right and the Jews should be gassed. He has also been to every far right and fascist convention in Europe and N.America. He's admitted he was inspired by a speech from notorious racist Enoch Powell to the extent he chaffeured his car for a while. He's also a conman, only interested in getting his snout in the trough. As an MEP he boasted how he could exploit the expenses system to get £250k/yr by pretending his mistress, then his second wife was his secretary. Fortunately he was found out and forced to repay the money, if he hadn't he would probably have been prosecuted for defrauding the tax payer. He also voted himself a second pension also paid for by our taxes, one of only 17 dodgy MEPs to do so. Most of the others were UKIP too. For 17 years he grabbed his large salary and expenses as an MEP but almost never attended and completely failed to do his actual job. He was on the fisheries committee but only attended ONE of 42 meetings! Does that sound like someone who'd going to work hard as your MP? Or someone who's going to grab as much dosh as he can and then fuck off, whilst laughing at all the useful idiots who voted for him. Fun fact: Farrage made sure the rules of Reform mean he's leader for life. Unlike every other party he can't be voted out or deposed by party members. That should make it clear to anyone he's a wannabe dictator. For anyone who wants to know more of Farage's history i recommend this informative video by Led By Donkeys. ruclips.net/video/mfyiSk8Rjc8/видео.html&pp=ygUObGVkIGJ5IGRvbmtleXM%3D
@@DellaWilliams-vo3ezthe theory works precisely because most people *won’t* think that way. As for the main point at the top of this thread, our Parliament renders any opposition largely pointless as any Government with even a small majority can easily win any vote called. This was, in fact, the only real problem with the Blair years: policy would be passed with little risk of opposition, and especially where Iraq was concerned even a united opposition against Labour wouldn’t have achieved anything.
the next govt, whoever that may be, will be running on AI. It's the game changer that the general population still can't see coming. it's gonna be weird (good weird hopefully).
Do you mean that Count Binface ISN’T another name for Sir Keir Stoma?!? They look the same, they sound the same, they’re 5:45 both full of garbage and they’ll both out of the house in about a week.
I heard a nasty old bigot who reads the Heily Fail too much.. Luckily around these parts there are a lot of socialists and scousers who hide the vile thing under copies of the Mirror..
£3 trillion or over £150,000 per household based on the Tory calculations. We had £700 million after Labour lost in 2010 and David Cameron saying that the debt would be at zero at the end of that parliament. Worse debt now after 14 years of Tory rule than after the second world war.
The banks have been in control for the last couple of centuries. All these elections are just distractions for a downward spiral. Same in many other western countries
@@GaryS-gi9fk I envisage that scenario too, when they realise that they had to "register" in order to vote. I'd like to stay there all day, to help the ladies & gents who are volunteering organising the event. It is quite scary.
Starmer hasn't told us what he stands for because he either doesn't stand for anything, or what he does stand for is so heinous that he doesn't want you to know. At best a vote for Labour is a vote for no change at all, at worst it is a vote for the devastation of this country. We're fucked either way. Everything points towards devastation
Sunak will get his utility statements tomorrow and it will read, unfortunately due to repeatedly submitting false meter readings your power will be cut on the 5th of July
I have to vote Labour to get rid of Tory in my area....maybe Or dont and when Labour get in and involve us in warcrimes again I have the moral high ground. Decisions decisions
Love listening to what Johnathan Pie has to say. More truth than any politician. Then who comes up next on the first advert but that grifter chancing “man of the people “prick Farage. Even the sight of him makes me feel ill.
He might, but he'll lie about it just like he lies about everything else. I will just have to look forward to the day those lies finally catch up to him.
Totally on point as always. Great to hear not only the bashing of the tories but the total "meh" feeling of Labour this election too. Shows that Pie can be just as relevant regardless of the results tomorrow! Keep it up!
And his own party sabotaged the elections. If they had put party/country first 2017 would have ended much differently. They got rid of my hopes when they got rid of Jeremy.
I liked Corbyn until I saw his apathy towards remaining in the EU, my heart sank so he lost my support. Unfortunately this is something that never gets mentioned in the media and in general.
He was divisive. And that usually means you lose the centre ground. And you need the centre to win an election. That's why the Tories look like they're going to get a pasting tomorrow.They ditched any moderates under Cummings, were scared into moving to the far right by Farrage.and lost the centre. And Starmer has said 'Thanks very much, I'll have that.' Corbyn was just a champagne socialist. Yet another out of touch rich public schoolboy, who's lived his whole life in his well off Islington Ward and who thought we were still in the 1970s. I don't have much time for Theresa May but she was spot on when she said he was a protestor not a leader. He was a closed minded idealist who based his decisions on his beliefs rather than evidence, facts and common sense. He also NEVER listened to any others viewpoints, innately believing he was right and everyone else was wrong. And that's NEVER a good thing. In that regard he was no better than the Tories and their warped ideologies, even if his blinkered lideology was a more humane one. He was also a hypocrite, rebelling against the whip a record number of times, yet when it came to Brexit he used a 3 fold whip rather than give Labour MPs a free vote. Without Corbyn Brexit would have been stopped as the Tories didn't have enough votes to pass it in Parliament (remember it was advisory only and had to be agreed by Parliament). IMO Corbyn betrayed ordinary working people by enabling Brexit and ensuring we lost all our hard won EU rights and resulting in the cost of living crisis and less money available for public services. Yes Brexit was a Tory idea, straight from Tufton St, to get rid of EU controls that protect ordinary people, such as human rights, workers rights, pollution & environment controls, food safety & animal welfare, etc, but the big corporations didn't like that as it reduced their proftis and stopped a US EU trade deal as the EU weren't prepared to reduce their standards to those of the US. But without Corbyn they wouldn't have got it through Parliament, the stupid old git. I'll never forget his part in it any more than Farrage and Johnsons, etc.
The Green Party has the policies the country needs, but not the votes or money to implement them. We need huge capital expenditure to jump-start growth, and to fix the health and care service, transport, energy and the environment, the immigration service, the rivers and seas, and the courts. And we need a change in the political system to enable longer-term cross party concensus, to end short-termism and the temptations of harmful lobbying by big business. No-one is bold enough to stand on that platform.
we can thank 2 party politics and FPTP for stopping anything meaningful from happening. We're all fucking fed up of the status quo that's been leeching this country for years and yet there's seemingly nothing we can do about it. Lies and scapegoating from both sides, media in the pocket of the government and the government in the pocket of media. No surprise the only people getting richer are the ones who all know each other from private school.
Agreed. I couldn’t in good conscience vote for either Labour or Tory. I read a meme today that said voting for either is like changing your tie after you shat your pants lol. Both parties have the same owners.
Allowing biological men with penises to frequent female changing rooms and female toilets purely because they put a dress on that day is not a policy this country needs thank you.
I've voted for the Green Party since the 1980s, however, the Green Party will never be a force for change within government, the Capitalists simply will not allow it to happen. On Thursday we have the chance to vote for change but it will not be a change that will ensure a better future for the people of our nation, it will be a vote for our favourite corporate sponsored political party, as chosen for us by the media barons. It is worth noting that politicians, a,k.a. corporate business agents, can be purchased by any external state, business or wealthy person, in exchange for a lucrative consultancy, a hefty donation to their political party or the expansion of their personal off-shore bank account. All the politician has to do to ensure a steady flow of the filthy lucre is condone their puppet-master's actions and abandon any form of compassion towards their fellow human beings (though the abandonment of compassion is kept solely for the poorest human beings in society). Please note: Those on low or minimum wage levels cannot afford to buy their own politician, however, they can vote for them or rather for the media baron's chosen multi-national corporation sponsored candidate.
Sir Keir Starmer morals, seriously. He said that Israel 'has the right' to cut off power and water in Gaza. The sir keir tells everyone that he did not say this, though we all heard and saw him on television. That's the calibre of your knighthood
Human Rights lawyer? Ha REALLY???? Complicit in the gravest crime against the people of Palestine. Genocide. Yes this is the future prime minister of the UK. We're FKED......
Jon ath thon, Jon ath thon Pie- eye It scans almost like Jer em mee, Jer em mee, Cor byn. I love you. I loved that part of your rant asking, pleading, begging for Hope, for Plans, for Ideas for our poor country from.the deadbeat Starmer-ites. God give us all STRENGTH.
Wait.... wut? The numbers tell a vastly different story... 1997 Tony Blair - 13.518. 167 votes 2001 Tony Blair - 10.724. 953 votes 2005 Tony Blair - 9.552.436 votes 2010 Gordon Brown - 8.609.527 votes 2015 Ed Milliband - 9.347.273 votes 2017 Jeremy Corbyn - 12.878. 460 votes 2019 Jeremy Corbyn - 10.295. 607 votes How 'unelectable' was Jeremy Corbyn when he got more votes in 2017 anyone else in the 20 years before.... only the first Tony Blair, which was after 18 years of Tory rule did Labour get more. It's not that he was unelectable... it's that we have a piss poor voting system.
Labour did more to discredit JC than the tories, from the inside. Jeremy Corbyn: The Big Lie. Platform Film on RUclips..... interesting and uncomfortable watch.
Now look at the number of votes that the Tory party got in those elections. 2017 and 2019 had higher turnout than the previous elections (and 2024) and more wanted to vote against Corbyn (or in support of Brexit) than for Labour. You can criticise our voting system but that doesn't change that the public had two opportunities to vote for Corbyn and in both of them more people voted for May or Johnson. On the other hand both Blair and Starmer did actually get the most votes and apart from 2005 but over 10% more than the next party.
God I love this show, it's so refreshing and entertaining!! A frank, brutal report on English politics and on politicians' incompetence on both side. I'm French and i wish this exists in my country. Jonathan don't want to dissect the situation in France??? We need someone to tell the truth and make people face the reality
Yeah... Not sure there's been a politician in the last ... Forever, that wouldn't provide some fodder for him, But there's certainly no political party that would get away clean
Brilliantly put Jonathan, you have brightened my day. I can't see Labour making too many changes, once the civil service big wigs have their say. But I am looking forward to the tories whingeing at each other and putting the blame on everyone else, about why they lost the election. Politics stinks, but what fun!!!! Keep up the good work.
As ever though, it's all down to the money the Government has to spend, and therein lies the problem. Not only have the Tories emptied the piggy bank and the till, they've left loads of IOUS, one of which is the massive increase in the National Debt, now approaching £3 trillion. According to official figures, last year, out of an Exchequer spend of £1200 biliion in the UK, £120 billion more than was collected in taxes in the UK. Also the annual interest payment on this debt stands at around £100 billion a year, around 8% of total government expenditure, it's one of the biggest items on the list of spending, swallowing up a large amount of money needed for other things.
The fact that he was once a human rights, lawyer, is rather eclipsed by the fact that he was also chief prosecutor, and then embraced the authoritarian clampdown on protest with even more vigour than the Conservatives. This man is not interested in your rights. He's only interested in your votes and power.
By all means change history to suit your narrative, 'cos if that is fair and just, then I can point to the headlines in the Tory Daily Mail supporting the Brownshirts in the 1930s' as proof that the Tories are all nasties, and were complicit in the holocaust. If you think that Sunak is a better PM, consider this, he was a hedge fund manager in 2008 who made most of his fortune from almost bankrupting this country, and this is not made-up rhetoric, it is actual fact. In fact, Sunak has a proven track record of gambling with other peoples' money to make fortunes for himself and his rich friends, unless you think the VIP lanes during the epidemic was a fair way to apportion government contracts to newly manufactured companies, that imported dodgy PPE from China, making vast profits that were squirreled away in offshore accounts.
The trouble with Labour is that they are no longer a working class party, but a middle-class one. My town, Margate, has been swarmed with a load of ponces from Hackney...and that's exactly who they've parachuted in to be MP. I cannae see her being bothered about the effect the Airbnbs and 2nd homes of her mates is having on the rents of the working and benefits classes. Their attitude is "Just move to somewhere else in the country you can afford". Yet they're all very "right-on", of course. Just not when it comes to the gentrification and social cleansing of a now-fashionable town they want to live in. They hold anti-racism events while ignoring the fact that they pushed out the Roma community, who all got Section 21'd so the landlords could sell for a pretty penny to a fashion victim ex of Shoreditch.
Which is why the working class are switching to reform. Straight talking. Speak our language. Recognise the impact of immigration on wages and public services instead of sweeping it under the carpet and saying all immigration is good (which it is if you're employing cheap labour)
@@catscan2022 Reform want to dismantle the NHS, any working class should not vote for that. The problem is getting worse for working class because of the tory crooks. Watched 'Homes Under the Hammer' this morning and a two bed mid terrace was improved dramatically and was valued at a million quid, that is absolutely bonkers.
pouring money into a public services that doesn't get any better is just money down the drain. We pay for other goods and services so why not health care? Reform are at least prepared to let us keep more of our hard earned money by raising the tax threshold
@@catscan2022 Immigrants aren't doing shit to wages as they are capped by the gov (nmw, nlw) and if they are taking your jobs it's due to you being shit at them and nobody wants to hire your chav selves. Worked cash in hand in prime immigrant jobs and never had an issue finding work, now work bottom of the rung jobs you would say all the immigrants are taking and still never have an issue finding work, you know cause I have a half decent cv and actually turn up for work instead of being a lazy chav layabout. Skilled immigrants aren't an issue for you as they aren't taking working class jobs so no need to mention them past this sentence.
I'd vote for the most boring person in existence any day if he is a good man, intelligent with ethical worldviews and a heart in the right spot. I don't care if the person is media trained, rich or has great charisma. I'm voting for a person to run the country, not for someone to look great when they bend over to Putin or Trump. I need my president/prime minister/chancellor to be able to do paper work, not comb his hair well. I don't want populism, I want realism. Is Stahmer boring? Great! Have my vote!
Spot on. I feel Pie had to be critical in some way to avoid being politically biased, but aside from a rather watery manifesto and a leader bereft of charisma, there wasn't much for him to say.
It's not that he's boring, it's that he doesn't stand for anything. Which is still better than aiming to fill your pockets and devil take the hindmost.
It's not Starmer you have to worry about... It's all his corporate lackies who want to sell out the country... Wes Streeting privatising the NHS, Ed Miliband's GBE slush fund... But at least things might run smoother and probably deal with the small boats issues.
I was with you until you said Starmer. His stances on Gaza have shown him not to be a good man or ethical. I wish I were wrong so I could continue to vote labour but this is not the case.
Had a conversation with a colleague who voted reform on the principle, we shouldn’t be paying for immigrants to be in prison because of human rights 🤦♂️
Dominic Cummings was appalled that Boris got into power by hook or by crook promising Brexit that he didn't really believe in and that he then had no real plans or ideas of what to do once he was in power. I think we might see the same with Labour, a huge majority and no idea what to do with it -apart from the lame and weak manifesto murmurs.
It's like a choice between a bucket of cold sick and a bucket of cold sick. I despair. Got to the point I no longer want to be in this country. The politicians have ruined it for everybody.
@@TihetrisWeathersby Strange how two "different" people have suddenly asked the same question, never having asked it before. Almost as if ... surely not???? 😉
Yeah they wanted to turn them into criminals. A bit like voting to say Rwanda is a safe country. So it is because they say so, regardless whether it is. I was waiting for them to vote on the sky being pink with neon polkadots, because they said so 🙄🙄🙄
They tried to make roughsleeping illegal and failed at that. Just as well. With nowhere affordable to go to folk would have ended up in prison with 2 to a bed on a rota basis. Wandsworth is at 163% of capacity, so more than 3 people in every cell designed for 2.
There is no money in helping the poor, but there is a cost of poverty, additional mental health issues, reduction in potential and productivity. It is much harder to measure but make no mistakes poverty costs.
...and the rich don't have to see the effects of homelessness, increases in mentally ill, etc because they spend more time sitting on yachts harboured somewhere nice
@@fuzzlewit9 and the I don't think there's a party that will ever fix that. Labour, once the party of "the people" are more concerned with trans rights and carbon emissions to worry about homelessness
Britain has seen what an entertainer for a prime minister could and couldn't do. But then again, ripping off a scene from the movie Love Actually was low hanging fruit, even for Boris Johnson who was probably one of the most slapdash candidates in any political campaign ad.
What makes you think he’s competent ? The crown prosecutor role he bangs on about ? Little small examples ? Tories not perfect but have a detailed how to plan . Labour got what if plans
I read the Labour manifesto - but stopped immediately when their policy on immigration began with ‘we must stop the boats’. My problem is not the immigration policy it’s their borrowing Tory language and rhetoric to pander to Tory voters. We are lost as a nation
Can't blame them when for decades they have stuck to left wing policies and been owned by the Tories at most elections. It is logical for them to move to the right given that is the type of government the UK public clearly want. Admittedly much of that is due to the older demograph who vote Tory in greater numbers than young people, since they generally own houses, have acquired wealth over their lives, therefore Tory policies have aligned well with their interests. Young people get pissed on because their vote doesn't swing elections.
Yeah, that's a hard one. I'd like to have a country where we help people in need. I could be proud of that. And I was when I joined the army. Now though, I see where racism is and I think, what will happen if the likes of Farage get power? What will happen to them and what will happen to us? If labour doesn't act, what will Reform do? I shudder to think. You know what might be good though, get labour in and then pressure them to have a foreign policy that goes and find out what these people are facing and maybe be a world's first and help sort problems out so they can stay with the people they love and care about. Would that be an idea?
@@saydvoncripps My response would be "aint' gonna happen!" and I'm really disappointed at the thought of that. All I can see is that Labour will be a kind of caretaker government for the next term and just hope to not fuck it up too much(which won't be that difficult given the tories record!). The rise of the Racist populists and Reform's barely concealed fascism is a real worry. I've read extensively on first and second world war subjects and the politics surrounding them, and the parallels between today the period of the beginning of the rise of fascism in Germany is horribly similar! For me the phrase "sleepwalking into fascism" is becoming more relevant every day.
All we’ve got is three shades of Tory to vote for in this election. Starmer = red tory lite Sunak = posh rich standard issue blue Tory Farage = turquoise racist Tory. Can’t get excited about voting for any of the clowns.
“ *Now more than ever the people are responsible” . If their representatives “be ignorant, reckless and corrupt, it is because the people tolerate ignorance, recklessness, and corruption* “
I live in a London LP stronghold, so my voting Green won't be punishing the Blatcherites, but I'm voting Green nevertheless. This is the first time in my 37 years that I'm not voting Labour. 2017 and 2019 were the only years where I actually voted FOR the LP rather than against the blue Tories. But all this 'lesser of two evils' must come to a stop. As a principle it is good only if applied sparingly, if it becomes the base upon which one makes political decisions then it leads to cynicism and nihilism, and the latter only favour the far right.
I'd like to think that voter apathy will be much lower this time. I'd like to think that people are angry enough to take 5 minutes to go to the voting booth this time
Probably true. But I’m still not voting. Don’t get me wrong, I am angry at the state of this pitiful excuse of a country that I unfortunately have to live in. But it’s like I’ve burned out all my anger and now I just don’t care anymore. Because I believe no matter who is in power, nothing will change. Nothing will ever truly get better. Changing the government will be like changing a nappy. The next one will get full of crap like the last one.
'Voter apathy' is the standard media phrasing to dismiss every non-vote as the fault of the public, not Westminster. I won't be voting for the 'least worst' of a terrible set of local candidates to be herded off to Westminster to nod through the corporate-captured party that they have more loyalty to than the constituency that voted them in. Our system is broken, the party system is broken, the media is broken and I won't be lending my tacit approval to the status quo by participating in a thoroughly rotten system that has nothing but contempt for society, and works for the corporate class, regardless of which colour rosette the country thinks looks prettiest. Am I wrong to withhold my vote? Well that's a debate that can be had, but to call it apathy is certainly inaccurate.
There will be lots of voter apathy because only one of 2 party's will either rule or lead a coalition, and both of those party's are almost identical, both will further privatise the NHS, both will punish the poorest and serve the wealthiest, both will drag us into US wars to make weapons companies lots of money. The S*n is backing Labour ffs
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LOL ~ "Arguably, the Tories have done more to get Labour in power, than Labour have."
Yes, true that.
I disagree...it is not arguable
Spot on!!!
@@samdunne1990 Labour are on track to receive the same vote share as Corbyn in 2017. It's absolutely true that the collapse of the Tories is responsible for tomorrow's result.
it's a given that ruling parties screw up and give the power to its rivals rather than the rivals winning.
@@stirlingmoss4621Especially when they've been in power too long, then they become greedy, arrogant and corrupt
I'm a senior IT server administrator.
I'll give you a nice analogy:
When IT works, it's completely invisible and transparent, it's boring, it's like your kettle, your fridge or your cooker, it's a tool you don't even think about when you're using it every day.
When IT goes wrong, it's the apocalypse, but at no point do you look yourself, no, it's anyone else's fault, not you, no no no. IT is always someone else's problem, not yours.
Politics should work like IT when it's working, invisible, transparent, boring.
Yet we should be engaged and understand how it works so we can do the most basic of troubleshooting to at least pass on helpful information to the professionals about what the issue might actually be.
We have an abbreviation in IT: PICNIC
Problem In Chair Not In Computer.
I'd rather parliament be full of dull boring people doing their jobs propely with quiet competence than the current s**t show we have that we have allowed to happen.
I sneaked PICNIC into an IT job spec once, must be conversant in PICNIC. It may even still be there.
there is Id code for that
ID:10t
I'm obviously a bit longer in the tooth than yourself, as I was taught GIGO, garbage in, garbage out. :)
@@RustyVanDoor Nah, most of them are more fluent in WOMBAT (Waste of Money, Brains and Time).
I've always used PEBCAK.
Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard
The problem with British politics is quite simple thanks to FPTP; vote against the party you don’t want in power, rather than vote for the party you do want in power
Hold your nose, spoil the paper or stay at home; that's modern democracy for you.
The problem with British politics is that Governments should be "in office" not "in power."
Dang. If only a Prime Minister had recently been elected who got leadership of the party promising electoral reform...
Exactly that. FPTP sticks around because it _sounds_ fair and is really easy to explain.... it also massively favours whoever's in power, and no government is ever going to change a system that helps keep them in power.
@@mitchmorgan3529 Or are they just in office to serve the interests of lobby groups?
Because American foreign policy has done a brilliant job of turning the UK into an America state. The UK is utterly forked!!!!!
This is why I love Pie. Eviscerating the Tories but fair in his scathing dismissal of Labour. God help Labour when they’re in power, because if they don’t deliver, Pie won’t hold back
At least we'll still get Jonathan Pie vids. If Labour actually would do a proper job, Pie would be out of his. "Luckily", Starmer is a neolib hypocrite leading a gang of nutters barely less antisocial and vicious than the Tories. It's not if Labour will f*ck up, it's when. How many days, how many hours.
Neither will the country mate. But as long as they pander to the woke brigade and immigrants, they’ll stay in power for generations to come. We’re fucked either way.
Oh yes, just cos I want the Tories out BIG time does NOT mean everything labour says or does is beyond reproach, far from it. As Pie said,they had better NOT fekk up, we all need things putting right and this may be their chance to do so.
Taking bets (😮) on date of first PMQs when Starmer stands at the dispatch box and says, "It's worse than we thought."
It would be Pie in the Sky
Never has a party gotten more votes by being less inspiring.
Topped up with insipid Starmer at the helm.
I like boring politicians
@@user-sd3ik9rt6d Me too. Give me boring over the right wing clown act any day.
I'll happily take 5 years of dull, boring and dare we hope even competent politics at this point.
I'm so tired of people needing to feel inspired in order to vote. I'm sorry you're not getting the pony you wanted. I really am.
Here's a voting guide for people who are "just not feeling it".
1) I don't give a fuck if you are or are not hot for some particular candidate. That's what PornHub is for. Jerk off on your own time.
2) If you're too dimwitted to figure out how to vote without getting all tingly in your naughty bits, here are a few helpful hints:
A) If one particular party has been an absolute disaster for half a generation, don't vote for them.
B) In fact, vote for the people most likely to unseat them.
C) Failing that, you might want to consider voting for the people most likely to enact the POLICIES you favor, even if you are not wet "down there". Bizarre, I know.
3) Grow the fuck up.
"My dads a tool maker"
"Yea i know mate, I'm looking at one"
😂😂😂😂
What has Labour ever done for us -
Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s.
Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.52.
Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales.
Funding for every pupil in England doubled.
85,000 more nurses.
32,000 more doctors.
Brought back matrons to hospital wards.
Child benefit up 26 per cent since 1997.
Delivered 2,200 Sure Start Children’s Centres.
£200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & up to £300 for over-80s.
Over 36,000 more teachers in England and 274,000 more support staff and teaching assistants.
Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents.
Inpatient waiting lists down by over half a million since 1997.
Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since before the industrial revolution.
Free TV licences for over-75s.
Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70.
Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s.
Free eye test for over 60s.
Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds.
All prescriptions free for people being treated for cancer or the effects of cancer, and teenage girls offered a vaccination against cervical cancer.
Over 42,400 more teachers and 123,000 more teaching assistants than in 1997
The Northern Ireland peace process
The UK’s greenhouse gas emissions are now 21% below 1990 levels, beating our Kyoto target.
.Over £20 billion invested in bringing social housing to decent standards .Police numbers up by 16,000 since 1997, alongside more than 16,000 Police Community Support Officers
In Europe signed the Social Chapter and introduced measures including: four weeks’ paid holiday; a right to parental leave; extended maternity leave; a new right to request flexible working; and the same protection for part-time workers as full-time workers.
Introduced the first ever British Armed Forces and Veterans Day to honour the achievements of our armed forces - both past and present.
We can all pick snippets. How many homes were they building, what was the national debt, where's our gold reserves gone.
Ah yes, debt, please give me more. Yummy yummy.
Don't forget taking the country to war on a lie, they did that too. Then gave the person behind it a medal instead of jail.
@@tristandrew5903The gold was sold off to prevent the country from collapsing after hedge funds sold failing investments to some of our major banks. One of those who did that was Rishi Sunak. So maybe blame him more than Gordon Brown. And certainly don't vote for him.
@@tristandrew5903The debt is much worse now as is our global trading standing and our whole economy after Brexit and Liz Truss have had their way with it.
My local tory has warned that labour will bring in "french style labour laws" - what you mean less hours, more rights and stronger unions? You are literally threatening me with a good time.
That’s like saying your next partner will be nice to you.
And a younger retirement age - works for me.
Yeah imagine a society where you legally can't be made to eat lunch at your desk, where said lunch break is legally protected and work emails cannot be sent on your day off.
😂😂😂
stronger onions sounds very french
Worse thing about Boris hiding in the fridge was the fact that he came back out again
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍
Only to drink the white wine he had chilling in there.
He looks like he's still in there
@@RussJoysandsorrows just his hair!🤣
If only he had had followed through like the 70's public information ads about not playing in abandoned fridges.
But then Sunak could not have dragged the DeFeffel Dirty Toilet Brush out and waved it at the voters which seems to have backfired as it reminded us that sandwiched between Johnson and Sunak was Truss.
A right wing Three Way that has shafted the Tories harder than anything.
One author, a few years ago, wrote that the majority of Britons are born defeated, and the mantra of that part of our society is 'keep calm and carry on'. But carry on doing what? One thing that stands out about 'Jonathan', he cares and he will not be silent!
Makes me laugh that Starmer is a "human rights lawyer" who does not think that the Palestinians have no human right, despite Israel being in violation of around 100 UN violation!!
Why should we or Starmer worry about that? Why should Israel worry about it? The Palestinians in Gaza do not even recognise Human rights except as a political lever. They were free and self governing but voted for Hamas who subjugate and oppress women, stone them to death if their behaviour is not right. They murdered all their political rivals soon as they took power and will not hold new elections. They have an official stated policy of genocide of all Israelis and permanent war against Israel that they will not negotiate on. They attack Israel indiscriminately with missiles for decades. Their border has to be sealed to prevent weapons being smuggled in. Hamas divert all aid to build tunnels and stacks of food for themselves, Hamas had enough tunnels, deep enough to shelter all Palestinians but do not. Hamas started the latest conflict deliberately, murdering adults and babies and children and still hold hostages and brainwash their own kids in Gaza Schools with hate. They started the war to stop peace between Israel and its neighbours advancing. They still send missiles to Israel depending on people like you to shelter them from repercussions. Hamas are still supported by Gazans despite all this. Who are we in the west to thwart the position that Gazans have volunteered for. They are all murder lovers getting karma. Other Arab neighbours like Egypt want nothing to do with the Palestinian refugees because they bring trouble. Why don't you take up the cause of the syrian people instead.
Good on Pie for discussing the apathy of voters in this election.
Can you feel the Reform vibrations resonating??? There's good reason to suggest non voters are Reform voters this time around.
You never had a choice.
@@andybarry5315 where should these vibrations be occuring?
@@andybarry5315 Not true at all. Some* Tory voters are turning to Reform. Swing voters are going to Labour and Lib Dems, the borrowed UKIP vote is going back to the far right. Bot farms and a disproportionate over-coverage of Farage is just giving the impression that Reform have a support worth mentioning.
@@andybarry5315 😂😂😂 Only racists vote Reform party.
"We don't need Human Rights, we're British.", near spat out my dinner.
Actually he subtly reveals an important point here. British exceptionalism has gone too far and has contributed to the damage over the last decade or so. People need to get their nationalistic head out of their arse and realise WWII and the 1966 world cup were a long time ago, and the rest of the world is judging the UK by how it acts now and has acted over the whole of history, not some cherry picked snippet.
@@adamlea6339 Bingo. You got it it one. This mentality of artificial superiority on the basis of nationality is... immature, to say the least. I blame the class system, which I think is the source of a lot of what some people would call "entitlement".
The British invented human rights, and leaving a globalist HR charter does not mean we don't have human rights anymore.
Jesus christ, look beyond the surface level.
@@adamlea6339absolutely!
From the perspective of one of your former colonies, you guys don't do human rights very well. You seem to have a very limited view of what counts as human, or rights.
"We don't need human rights, we're British".... spat my beer out laughing.
So on point!
and thats the problem.
We laugh at how they treat us.
@@TheAcad3mic and then blame others for issues brought about by a system made to benefit the few, to (Conserve) the wealth.
@@yodab.at1746 tosh
As Billy Connolly once said " The mere fact that these people want to be politicians in the first place, should bar them from being one" have to agree with The Big Yin on that one 😂
It's the ones who make it their only career that deserve extra scrutiny.
@@3baxcb yup the "professional" politician never to be trusted imho
I studied politics as a young naive person hoping to "make a difference"... then volunteered with an MP and spent time around other people wanting to be politicians and very quickly decided it was definitely not something I could be part of. The good ones will never make it to the top, a) they have a conscience and wont ,aliciously spread lies to get where they want to be and b) They recognise that any mandate they may want to bring in, is subject to agreement from big business and outside influence.... Democracy, sadly is mostly built on lies and big business / media influence. Power is with the people though, if they could just get over the apathy and self interest....
"The major problem-one of the major problems, for there are several-one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.
To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job." - Douglas Adams
@@cheetara32 well said but what a sad state of affairs we as a nation and world find ourselves in....its also one of the causes of folk confusing celebrity with statesmanship or statespersonship even.
"My dad was a toolmaker... yeh and I'm looking right at one" golden 💀
Not really. That would mean you are suggesting he is a Tool maker not a tool. A bit of a badly constructed joke tbh.
What, a toolmaker? My father in law was also a toolmaker, decent bloke and well worth praising. I am guessing that you are a Calliper short of a Boring Bar.
@frank-caroltrott6131 think he's referring to Sarmer as the "tool" that his dad made
Never give a bad joke a post mortem. 🥸
I was going to go with "'My dad was a toolmaker'...Yeah, but other than making you, what has he done?"
You're really on fire, Tom. I also hated Tony Blair! The day he was elected as Labour leader, I said to my work colleague that I wouldn't buy a used car off that man. Teflon Tony. And I was so irate about Iraq that I couldn't even bear to say "I told you so". Long time Labour voter, and proud of it, but who I would ideally like to win and who I'm voting for are two separate things this time, too. Still voting Labour. It's just that the system we have of FPTP is not helpful right now. Oh, I agree with what I hear you say here SO MUCH. Where is the moral mission? YES. The NHS, housing, and what about the environment, FFS?! This is going to be a tough 48 hours and I do not expect to sleep much.
Thank you, Tom, for Jonathan Pie. Thank you for entertaining and rousing me from the cycle of apathy alternating with despair, to remember that other women died for me to be able to vote and have my say. So I have done. I've marked my X in the box, and God help them and us all if they don't win.
I don't think Blair had a choice on Iraq. A lot of very powerful people wanted to make money out of that.
@@garryferrington811 And saddam was still acting like a dick and had to go at some point..
Should of been back in 91.
😂 😂 I forgot about the Teflon Tony nickname
I loved Blair! He is the Labour leader who gave hope when I was in my late teens. Voted Labour ever since. 😃😃😃😃🥰
Domestically Blair was amazing stop just tarrring him with Iraq
"A very realistic Jim Henson puppet...minus any charm" 😂 priceless
This was my favourite too 😂 I will be quoting this!
"We don't need human rights - we're British."
That's the mindset of people who want us to leave the ECHR, and join Russia and Belarus on the sidelines.
@@paultaylor7082No it's the mindset of people wanting Britain to give us human rights and not some international woke institution.
@@leehenry5764 You talk as if the UK had nothing to do with the framing of the ECHR. If you care to read up a little you will see that the UK was a major player in the setting up of the court. People who want the UK out of the ECHR are more than likely to have been leave voters and just how bright were they?
@@leehenry5764you’re lying not just to us, but to yourself. how sad
Generally speaking "rights" in the EU tended to be upgraded by British involvement. Environmental issues too.
Grinning Cheshire Twatt, f%cking genius
Check out the election night armistice from 1997, they put that on a poster.
😆
When a politician is dull and not media trained that it is a good thing not a bad thing
Way too many people treat this like it's Love Island.
When said politician is a serial liar, broke every pledge he made to become leader, ducks responsibility for his mistakes and blames others, backstabs, takes funding from dubious people including US healthcare giants, and as a human rights lawyer says it's fine to cut off food & water to an oppressed people under attack... it's really NOT what we want.
Yes, I'm craving "captain boring" after brexit, covid, Boris, Truss... A normal ish boring, steady PM with no breaking headlines is what this country needs,
@@jamestheferret I too am hoping for not a single pantomime over the next 5 years. It would also be fab to see PMQs actually have the PM answer some Qs for once, instead of everyone just shouting at each other and cheering when their mate says something unkind. Bit concerned about the number of people who stayed on the other side, but glad none of them understand how voting works and that they can't do basic maths. Possibly a reason not to push more funding into education during the next term.
1. Get the Tories out.
2. Force Labour left
3. Replace Labour if they prove to be Tories in disguise
The BIGGEST thing is, get the Tories out. That should cause a quantum shift in the right direction. Getting to the final destination might take longer, but you will never get there without taking that first step.
I’m on board as far as the second of your demands are concerned. It would be beneficial to have each political party represent a specific ideological perspective instead of constantly angling for the centre ground. The problem, of course, is that in our system lack of a majority means that a party can’t get anything done. We’d benefit greatly from a European-style PR voting system, if only to give the smaller parties a chance to have their voices heard, but the two main parties aren’t likely to go for that anytime soon (though if the Tories do badly enough tomorrow and next time around they might start becoming more sympathetic to a non-FPTP system).
Replace them with who? labour won't go left. The left has been expelled. The party has been bought, it IS just Tory in a red rosette. Corbyn should set up a new version of Labour. I actually miss Cameron... sounds daft but he was socially minded, unlike Sunak and the rest. They make me sick
You think a party led by a former Pabloite needs to more to the left?
4. Get Reform in!
More food banks than McDonald's... Christ that is depressing.
Juat checked and there are around 1,350 McDonald's, and over 2,500 food banks.
The UK is a joke without a punchline.
Yes remember the thicko who voted tory in a bye election as the torys had given the people more foodbanks than labour.His mate was voting tory as labour had shut the a and e.and the police stations.the reorter asked who been in power for the last 12yrs.Oh the torys he said but was that
Thick he couldnt make the connection.probably got his information from the sun or daily mail.😢😢😢😢
We never had food banks when I was a kid in the 70's and 80's.
@@googlecontrolled We never had food banks when I was a kid in the 50s and 60s. Or McDonald's.
@martinclark7935 rationing from WW2 was still a thing in the UK until 1954. So not a great example.
And they will increase under liebour
"Champaign socialism without the socialism..." Well said.
But badly written. CHAMPAGNE.
Unfortunately I think that's what we might end up with however still better than what we have now
Champagne that Starmer, Streeting and Reeves have pissed in. No thanks.
Or the champagne.
But you will never get socialism with out the Champaign.
So on point and cutting lying sharp with all of your election special. Let's hope for a brighter tomorrow.
The issue is the Israel Lobby - its deep and scary and Lammy, Starmer and Streeting are all in their pockets
'there are more food banks than McDs, and we're going to fix that and not by opening more McDs!' very good Sir, very good.
Pie-minister
Ok Liv
Lie-minister
Starmer’s mission is to enrich himself to the level of a Sunak. Then, to protect and empower Israel and to welcome them into a power-sharing role in British government. Duh!
It worked for Boris, say nothing and let the otherside dig their own grave, Starmer has kept quite, not turned the investors against him and just been professional. I think we are all bored of personality politics, I dont need to like the guy who runs my local library I just want to have a library that works! Pie for President!!!
That and a leader that doesn't think it's OK for people to be deliberately starved would be nice
Yes, I expect the leading party to continue this strategy in future elections. It clearly works.
Boring politics only works when things are going well. When things are in the shitter, you need someone who will make bold choices.
Did it? I am pretty sure he just let the right wing press evisarate Corbyn, when the whole media is agaisnt you its hard to speak though, he did himself no favours.
@@Flame1500 Bold choices can be made by someone you may think is boring.
Tactical vote regardless. Vote the Tories out.
Why do you think they give you a choice? Trust them? Trust me bro. You never had a choice
@@matthorrocks6517 Do you remember the poll tax riot?....😉
@@matthorrocks6517 never trust somebody who says trust me, especally those that call us ''bro''
@@davefloyd9443 no. I'm not even in Britain. The same suits run all these countries in the name of de mo crazy. I can't even form the word because utube will block it.
Lol, imagine having the freedom to vote and you let a website tell you how to vote
always brilliant. Thanks Again and good luck with the election result!
I'd say vote for pro-worker, anti-war, anti-genocide parties /candidates 💚
The Blair impression was so spot on and took me completely off guard. 😂
The sci fi comic 2000ad did a spoof of him as a super hero called B.L.A.I.R 1 ruclips.net/video/LgHcR7bVSS0/видео.html
Main word 'Hope'. I have none in this election. Totally disenfranchised. The last time I had 'Hope' was before Corbyn got stitched by a terrified right wing media 😞
And Starmer scuttled Corbyn's chances on purpose by forcing the second referendum election loser, thereby clearing the way for Starmer as PM.
he did it till himself, like most left wing purists, they expect the country to bend to them. he thought he could win by populism. starmer is playing the fptp fiddle. the aim is power not to win the argument but be in opposition. I prefer left wing policies, so this is not coming from a hateful place
It was worse. He was stitched by the supposed left wing media, mostly.
I hope you guys make the right choice! Here in France we're 5 days away from a potential swing towards a fascist party, which is disconcerting.
Please, drag yourself from the computer, go down to the Polling Station and vote for whichever candidate (as long as it is not Reform) is going to get this Tory shower away from power for good. You are responsible for Tories winning if you do not do this one public service. Forget about right, centre, left or far left, just get them out!!!!
A human rights lawyer who said that Israel had the right to break international law
what a load off Bollocks coming from a sad Tory voter
"More food banks in the UK than there are McDonalds. We're going to change that...and not just by opening more McDonalds"
Brilliant! 😂
😂 Tony Blair should be in prison seriously 🤮😡
Then so should Ian Duncan smith as he said it was the right thing to do.
@@Cazgirl-hq4hi lock all them warmongers up
what about boris johnson who said let the bodies pile high as he killed 200k people from covid
@@user-op8fg3ny3jThat's every Tory MP who voted for the war too, all but about 2.
Jonathan Pie on Tony Blair - 0:51 “a centrist warmonger... lock & load, and go and kill some Iraqi women and children”. On Starmer - 3:06 “a human rights lawyer, it’s got to be a step in the right direction”, completely failing to mention that Starmer and the Labour party are fully backing an ongoing jen-er-cide (as are the Tories). That’s one subject Jonathan (Tom) has completely avoided. For a political satirist, and someone who claims to take issue with killing women and children, it seems odd that he has never covered this subject. I genuinely wonder why.
I’m in Rachel Reeves’ seat, almost the Labourest of Labour seats that ever Laboured in Labour, so I’ll probably be going either Lib Dem or Green for the sake of at least putting some modicum of pro-EU and anti-FPTP pressure on them. I’d rather they felt some kind of pressure from the left than only seeing the Tories and Reform as the places they can gain and lose votes from. If there was any doubt at all about the outcome, though, I’d be voting tactically to get Labour or the Lib Dems in, whichever one was most likely to keep a Tory out, or unseat an incumbent Tory.
Reform for me
@@rosscannon5834 You do realise Reform are a fascist party? Farrage is admirer of both Hitler and Putin and is often a guest on Russian state TV.
Farrage sings Hitler youth songs and has said Hitler got it right and the Jews should be gassed.
He has also been to every far right and fascist convention in Europe and N.America.
He's admitted he was inspired by a speech from notorious racist Enoch Powell to the extent he chaffeured his car for a while.
He's also a conman, only interested in getting his snout in the trough.
As an MEP he boasted how he could exploit the expenses system to get £250k/yr by pretending his mistress, then his second wife was his secretary. Fortunately he was found out and forced to repay the money, if he hadn't he would probably have been prosecuted for defrauding the tax payer.
He also voted himself a second pension also paid for by our taxes, one of only 17 dodgy MEPs to do so. Most of the others were UKIP too.
For 17 years he grabbed his large salary and expenses as an MEP but almost never attended and completely failed to do his actual job. He was on the fisheries committee but only attended ONE of 42 meetings!
Does that sound like someone who'd going to work hard as your MP? Or someone who's going to grab as much dosh as he can and then fuck off, whilst laughing at all the useful idiots who voted for him.
Fun fact: Farrage made sure the rules of Reform mean he's leader for life. Unlike every other party he can't be voted out or deposed by party members. That should make it clear to anyone he's a wannabe dictator.
For anyone who wants to know more of Farage's history i recommend this informative video by Led By Donkeys.
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If everyone thought the same way, Labour would lose that seat. I don't understand your theory.
@@DellaWilliams-vo3ezthe theory works precisely because most people *won’t* think that way.
As for the main point at the top of this thread, our Parliament renders any opposition largely pointless as any Government with even a small majority can easily win any vote called. This was, in fact, the only real problem with the Blair years: policy would be passed with little risk of opposition, and especially where Iraq was concerned even a united opposition against Labour wouldn’t have achieved anything.
I’m also in Rachel Reeves’ seat. When did the boundaries change? Pudsey and Calverley went to Stuart Andrew by about 400 votes in 2017.
Fair play, I thought you would only post one way, but as this asks questions against the new leadership, huge appreciation 👍
"Keir Starmer is like an untrained AI"
this is so accurate it hurts
Yep, that's the state of British politics for you.
the next govt, whoever that may be, will be running on AI. It's the game changer that the general population still can't see coming. it's gonna be weird (good weird hopefully).
Count Binface for Number 10
Unfortunately he can only become an MP, he doesn’t have a party to form a government
@@jamessmithson-br7rm we don’t call them parties anymore. We call them what they are…GANGS.
He's probably in the club as well, as yet another piss-take. Fuck them all
@@jamessmithson-br7rm Isn't he part of the Monster Raving Looney Party?
Do you mean that Count Binface ISN’T another name for Sir Keir Stoma?!? They look the same, they sound the same, they’re 5:45 both full of garbage and they’ll both out of the house in about a week.
Starmer... A human rights lawyer who will deny more human rights by introducing more inhuman laws.
"Dear old lady who was worried about immigration."
Erm...
I heard a nasty old bigot who reads the Heily Fail too much.. Luckily around these parts there are a lot of socialists and scousers who hide the vile thing under copies of the Mirror..
3 trillion in debt & rising 5 grand a minute. Think the bankers will be in control regardless of the outcome.
£3 trillion or over £150,000 per household based on the Tory calculations. We had £700 million after Labour lost in 2010 and David Cameron saying that the debt would be at zero at the end of that parliament. Worse debt now after 14 years of Tory rule than after the second world war.
The banks have been in control for the last couple of centuries. All these elections are just distractions for a downward spiral. Same in many other western countries
But we had austerity!!! 😂😂😂
@@frank-caroltrott6131 it's a race to the bottom . You'll own nothing & be happy.
@@matthewstrange3778 And covid. Forgot that? Bozo.
My tactical vote will be cast at the earliest opportunity tomorrow morning.
Yeah, Reform voters might still be sober, no point in getting your head kicked in!
@@GaryS-gi9fk they might be sober but the will still be gormless sheep.
@@GaryS-gi9fk
I envisage that scenario too, when they realise that they had to "register" in order to vote.
I'd like to stay there all day, to help the ladies & gents who are volunteering organising the event.
It is quite scary.
@@Toupret Yeah, be careful :)
@@GaryS-gi9fk
And you, thank you.
"If voting made any difference, they wouldnt let us do it." - Mark Twain
Starmer hasn't told us what he stands for because he either doesn't stand for anything, or what he does stand for is so heinous that he doesn't want you to know.
At best a vote for Labour is a vote for no change at all, at worst it is a vote for the devastation of this country. We're fucked either way.
Everything points towards devastation
Sunak will get his utility statements tomorrow and it will read, unfortunately due to repeatedly submitting false meter readings your power will be cut on the 5th of July
Not by opening more McDonalds 🤣🤣🤣🤣
It's likely to be the approach 😢
@@alanhat5252 CERTAINLY.
superb line!
Deffo would be the Tory solution if more Maccas franchises were donors to the Cons.
Best line 😅
Proportional representation was never needed more...
Will not happen.
I have to vote Labour to get rid of Tory in my area....maybe
Or dont and when Labour get in and involve us in warcrimes again I have the moral high ground.
Decisions decisions
This is a truly beautifully crafted masterclass of satire. One of Pie's best.
Hi Tom!
see the tories wheeled boris out they must be desperate
and what did he do? lied again
@@diceman199 Boris LIED? ... anyway.
Love your total realness 100% my favourite channel on youtube
Excellent as always!!
Love listening to what Johnathan Pie has to say. More truth than any politician. Then who comes up next on the first advert but that grifter chancing “man of the people “prick Farage. Even the sight of him makes me feel ill.
I just hope that Starmer realises that many of Labour’s votes won’t be for him and his manifesto but against Sunak and his.
Yeah, just like they did against Jeremy Corbyn.
I'm sure he's well aware of this. For a bit of light relief I'd recommend listening to munya chawawa on radio 4. 😂
So they are hate voting? Idk if that would be healthy
He might, but he'll lie about it just like he lies about everything else. I will just have to look forward to the day those lies finally catch up to him.
If you get excited by Starmer.........GET OUT MORE!!
Again, another beautiful and succinct analysis of the UK political landscape!! Love it!! 👍
Totally on point as always. Great to hear not only the bashing of the tories but the total "meh" feeling of Labour this election too. Shows that Pie can be just as relevant regardless of the results tomorrow! Keep it up!
"Do you want your leg unnecessarily amputated at the hip or the knee"
That's the choice in this election.
More like the knee or the elbow with these incompetents.
Fun fact! The leg is the part of the body between the knee and the ankle.
Plus sign here at the dotted line that you won't sue us if you get gangrene from the operation.
I have to disagree with Pie about Corbyn. He wasn't unelectable. The public was just conned into thinking he was.
And his own party sabotaged the elections. If they had put party/country first 2017 would have ended much differently. They got rid of my hopes when they got rid of Jeremy.
Agreed. The same with Bernie in the US
I liked Corbyn until I saw his apathy towards remaining in the EU, my heart sank so he lost my support. Unfortunately this is something that never gets mentioned in the media and in general.
He was divisive.
And that usually means you lose the centre ground. And you need the centre to win an election.
That's why the Tories look like they're going to get a pasting tomorrow.They ditched any moderates under Cummings, were scared into moving to the far right by Farrage.and lost the centre. And Starmer has said 'Thanks very much, I'll have that.'
Corbyn was just a champagne socialist. Yet another out of touch rich public schoolboy, who's lived his whole life in his well off Islington Ward and who thought we were still in the 1970s.
I don't have much time for Theresa May but she was spot on when she said he was a protestor not a leader.
He was a closed minded idealist who based his decisions on his beliefs rather than evidence, facts and common sense. He also NEVER listened to any others viewpoints, innately believing he was right and everyone else was wrong. And that's NEVER a good thing. In that regard he was no better than the Tories and their warped ideologies, even if his blinkered lideology was a more humane one.
He was also a hypocrite, rebelling against the whip a record number of times, yet when it came to Brexit he used a 3 fold whip rather than give Labour MPs a free vote.
Without Corbyn Brexit would have been stopped as the Tories didn't have enough votes to pass it in Parliament (remember it was advisory only and had to be agreed by Parliament).
IMO Corbyn betrayed ordinary working people by enabling Brexit and ensuring we lost all our hard won EU rights and resulting in the cost of living crisis and less money available for public services.
Yes Brexit was a Tory idea, straight from Tufton St, to get rid of EU controls that protect ordinary people, such as human rights, workers rights, pollution & environment controls, food safety & animal welfare, etc, but the big corporations didn't like that as it reduced their proftis and stopped a US EU trade deal as the EU weren't prepared to reduce their standards to those of the US.
But without Corbyn they wouldn't have got it through Parliament, the stupid old git. I'll never forget his part in it any more than Farrage and Johnsons, etc.
My exact thoughts too. He started a massive political movement in young people
Once again bloody BRILIANT.
I love your journalism!
The Green Party has the policies the country needs, but not the votes or money to implement them. We need huge capital expenditure to jump-start growth, and to fix the health and care service, transport, energy and the environment, the immigration service, the rivers and seas, and the courts. And we need a change in the political system to enable longer-term cross party concensus, to end short-termism and the temptations of harmful lobbying by big business. No-one is bold enough to stand on that platform.
we can thank 2 party politics and FPTP for stopping anything meaningful from happening. We're all fucking fed up of the status quo that's been leeching this country for years and yet there's seemingly nothing we can do about it. Lies and scapegoating from both sides, media in the pocket of the government and the government in the pocket of media. No surprise the only people getting richer are the ones who all know each other from private school.
Agreed. I couldn’t in good conscience vote for either Labour or Tory. I read a meme today that said voting for either is like changing your tie after you shat your pants lol. Both parties have the same owners.
Allowing biological men with penises to frequent female changing rooms and female toilets purely because they put a dress on that day is not a policy this country needs thank you.
I can't vote Green Party as they are anti-nuclear. Their immigration policy is rather idiotic too.
I've voted for the Green Party since the 1980s, however, the Green Party will never be a force for change within government, the Capitalists simply will not allow it to happen. On Thursday we have the chance to vote for change but it will not be a change that will ensure a better future for the people of our nation, it will be a vote for our favourite corporate sponsored political party, as chosen for us by the media barons.
It is worth noting that politicians, a,k.a. corporate business agents, can be purchased by any external state, business or wealthy person, in exchange for a lucrative consultancy, a hefty donation to their political party or the expansion of their personal off-shore bank account. All the politician has to do to ensure a steady flow of the filthy lucre is condone their puppet-master's actions and abandon any form of compassion towards their fellow human beings (though the abandonment of compassion is kept solely for the poorest human beings in society).
Please note: Those on low or minimum wage levels cannot afford to buy their own politician, however, they can vote for them or rather for the media baron's chosen multi-national corporation sponsored candidate.
Sir Keir Starmer morals, seriously. He said that Israel 'has the right' to cut off power and water in Gaza.
The sir keir tells everyone that he did not say this, though we all heard and saw him on television. That's the calibre of your knighthood
Human Rights lawyer?
Ha REALLY????
Complicit in the gravest crime against the people of Palestine.
Genocide.
Yes this is the future prime minister of the UK.
We're FKED......
Yh they love to watch the world burn, between sunak and starmer its difficult to tell who is the bigger devil
Yeah, the Labour friends of Israel have their man in charge.
Indeed. Labour has lost my vote for that reason alone. If they do win, hopefully it’ll only be by a very slim majority.
@@owood2288 keep trying lads, but I'm afraid you are backing a lost cause.
Jon ath thon, Jon ath thon Pie- eye It scans almost like Jer em mee, Jer em mee, Cor byn.
I love you. I loved that part of your rant asking, pleading, begging for Hope, for Plans, for Ideas for our poor country from.the deadbeat Starmer-ites. God give us all STRENGTH.
Wait.... wut? The numbers tell a vastly different story...
1997 Tony Blair - 13.518. 167 votes
2001 Tony Blair - 10.724. 953 votes
2005 Tony Blair - 9.552.436 votes
2010 Gordon Brown - 8.609.527 votes
2015 Ed Milliband - 9.347.273 votes
2017 Jeremy Corbyn - 12.878. 460 votes
2019 Jeremy Corbyn - 10.295. 607 votes
How 'unelectable' was Jeremy Corbyn when he got more votes in 2017 anyone else in the 20 years before.... only the first Tony Blair, which was after 18 years of Tory rule did Labour get more.
It's not that he was unelectable... it's that we have a piss poor voting system.
THANK YOU!!
Labour did more to discredit JC than the tories, from the inside. Jeremy Corbyn: The Big Lie. Platform Film on RUclips..... interesting and uncomfortable watch.
Glad someone said it. 👏👏👏
Yes, but Corbyn knew that was the system. He failed to craft a strategy to expand beyond safe constituencies.
Now look at the number of votes that the Tory party got in those elections.
2017 and 2019 had higher turnout than the previous elections (and 2024) and more wanted to vote against Corbyn (or in support of Brexit) than for Labour. You can criticise our voting system but that doesn't change that the public had two opportunities to vote for Corbyn and in both of them more people voted for May or Johnson. On the other hand both Blair and Starmer did actually get the most votes and apart from 2005 but over 10% more than the next party.
God I love this show, it's so refreshing and entertaining!! A frank, brutal report on English politics and on politicians' incompetence on both side. I'm French and i wish this exists in my country.
Jonathan don't want to dissect the situation in France??? We need someone to tell the truth and make people face the reality
Seems that Mr Pie will still have plenty of material once Labour take over!
Yeah... Not sure there's been a politician in the last ... Forever, that wouldn't provide some fodder for him,
But there's certainly no political party that would get away clean
I hope so. Hope he doesn’t become ignorant and pretend that everything’s fine now his party is in.
@@JME3699 yeah... I'd be surprised, but I've been surprised before
thank goodness for that.
He won't he never says bad stuff about them this is just the obvious
Did he call her a nazi? I just thought he called her a bigoted old woman, which in fairness, she was
Pretty much. What she said WAS bigoted - the excuse seemed to be "she's old and white so she's entitled to be a bigot every now and then".
😂 yeah, Sir Keir, head of the COS re Jimmy Saville and the grooming gangs
Brilliantly put Jonathan, you have brightened my day. I can't see Labour making too many changes, once the civil service big wigs have their say. But I am looking forward to the tories whingeing at each other and putting the blame on everyone else, about why they lost the election. Politics stinks, but what fun!!!! Keep up the good work.
As ever though, it's all down to the money the Government has to spend, and therein lies the problem. Not only have the Tories emptied the piggy bank and the till, they've left loads of IOUS, one of which is the massive increase in the National Debt, now approaching £3 trillion. According to official figures, last year, out of an Exchequer spend of £1200 biliion in the UK, £120 billion more than was collected in taxes in the UK. Also the annual interest payment on this debt stands at around £100 billion a year, around 8% of total government expenditure, it's one of the biggest items on the list of spending, swallowing up a large amount of money needed for other things.
The fact that he was once a human rights, lawyer, is rather eclipsed by the fact that he was also chief prosecutor, and then embraced the authoritarian clampdown on protest with even more vigour than the Conservatives. This man is not interested in your rights. He's only interested in your votes and power.
Human rights lawyer who supports genocide, collective punishment and apartheid. Labour will never again get my vote.
Chief prosecutor still has a rule book to follow which is written by parliament/other lawyers.
By all means change history to suit your narrative, 'cos if that is fair and just, then I can point to the headlines in the Tory Daily Mail supporting the Brownshirts in the 1930s' as proof that the Tories are all nasties, and were complicit in the holocaust. If you think that Sunak is a better PM, consider this, he was a hedge fund manager in 2008 who made most of his fortune from almost bankrupting this country, and this is not made-up rhetoric, it is actual fact. In fact, Sunak has a proven track record of gambling with other peoples' money to make fortunes for himself and his rich friends, unless you think the VIP lanes during the epidemic was a fair way to apportion government contracts to newly manufactured companies, that imported dodgy PPE from China, making vast profits that were squirreled away in offshore accounts.
A chief prosecutor that got Assange in jail no less
It was more Starmer who lost for Labour in 2019. If Labour had, had a clear pro brexit message they'd of won.
King of comedy and facts 🇬🇧🚀🌎👍🥳🏅
The trouble with Labour is that they are no longer a working class party, but a middle-class one. My town, Margate, has been swarmed with a load of ponces from Hackney...and that's exactly who they've parachuted in to be MP. I cannae see her being bothered about the effect the Airbnbs and 2nd homes of her mates is having on the rents of the working and benefits classes. Their attitude is "Just move to somewhere else in the country you can afford". Yet they're all very "right-on", of course. Just not when it comes to the gentrification and social cleansing of a now-fashionable town they want to live in. They hold anti-racism events while ignoring the fact that they pushed out the Roma community, who all got Section 21'd so the landlords could sell for a pretty penny to a fashion victim ex of Shoreditch.
Cannae? Are you Scots? If so it’s kind of ironic for a Scot in Kent complaining about ponces from Hackney moving in! 😂
Which is why the working class are switching to reform. Straight talking. Speak our language. Recognise the impact of immigration on wages and public services instead of sweeping it under the carpet and saying all immigration is good (which it is if you're employing cheap labour)
@@catscan2022 Reform want to dismantle the NHS, any working class should not vote for that. The problem is getting worse for working class because of the tory crooks. Watched 'Homes Under the Hammer' this morning and a two bed mid terrace was improved dramatically and was valued at a million quid, that is absolutely bonkers.
pouring money into a public services that doesn't get any better is just money down the drain. We pay for other goods and services so why not health care? Reform are at least prepared to let us keep more of our hard earned money by raising the tax threshold
@@catscan2022 Immigrants aren't doing shit to wages as they are capped by the gov (nmw, nlw) and if they are taking your jobs it's due to you being shit at them and nobody wants to hire your chav selves. Worked cash in hand in prime immigrant jobs and never had an issue finding work, now work bottom of the rung jobs you would say all the immigrants are taking and still never have an issue finding work, you know cause I have a half decent cv and actually turn up for work instead of being a lazy chav layabout.
Skilled immigrants aren't an issue for you as they aren't taking working class jobs so no need to mention them past this sentence.
I'd vote for the most boring person in existence any day if he is a good man, intelligent with ethical worldviews and a heart in the right spot. I don't care if the person is media trained, rich or has great charisma. I'm voting for a person to run the country, not for someone to look great when they bend over to Putin or Trump. I need my president/prime minister/chancellor to be able to do paper work, not comb his hair well. I don't want populism, I want realism. Is Stahmer boring? Great! Have my vote!
Spot on. I feel Pie had to be critical in some way to avoid being politically biased, but aside from a rather watery manifesto and a leader bereft of charisma, there wasn't much for him to say.
Starmer bends over to Netanyahu
It's not that he's boring, it's that he doesn't stand for anything. Which is still better than aiming to fill your pockets and devil take the hindmost.
It's not Starmer you have to worry about... It's all his corporate lackies who want to sell out the country... Wes Streeting privatising the NHS, Ed Miliband's GBE slush fund... But at least things might run smoother and probably deal with the small boats issues.
I was with you until you said Starmer. His stances on Gaza have shown him not to be a good man or ethical. I wish I were wrong so I could continue to vote labour but this is not the case.
Had a conversation with a colleague who voted reform on the principle, we shouldn’t be paying for immigrants to be in prison because of human rights 🤦♂️
Dominic Cummings was appalled that Boris got into power by hook or by crook promising Brexit that he didn't really believe in and that he then had no real plans or ideas of what to do once he was in power. I think we might see the same with Labour, a huge majority and no idea what to do with it -apart from the lame and weak manifesto murmurs.
Seriously spot on. I hope Labour are watching and taking notes
Nah, they're already lining up to fill the pockets of the wealthy all over again. No time for watching Pie.
Brilliant as ever
It's like a choice between a bucket of cold sick and a bucket of cold sick. I despair. Got to the point I no longer want to be in this country. The politicians have ruined it for everybody.
“Human rights lawyer” huh!
Starmer will make life worse for people but it won't be a mistake. He will just be following his orders from the WEF.
Jonathan Pie is the true voice of reason
Hi Tom - shamed out of using your usual "international treasure" line? 😉
@@terryboland3816 are you responding to the wrong comment, who the f is Tom?
@@TihetrisWeathersby Strange how two "different" people have suddenly asked the same question, never having asked it before. Almost as if ... surely not???? 😉
@@terryboland3816 this is why we need to fund the NHS, Mental health is very important
@@TihetrisWeathersby That's weak Tom. Just like your Putin-funded routines.What tax did you pay on your Russia Today money?
The "We're going to end rough sleeping by the end of the next parliament" was in the Tories 2019 manifesto. How did that work out for them?
Yeah they wanted to turn them into criminals. A bit like voting to say Rwanda is a safe country. So it is because they say so, regardless whether it is. I was waiting for them to vote on the sky being pink with neon polkadots, because they said so 🙄🙄🙄
They tried to make roughsleeping illegal and failed at that. Just as well. With nowhere affordable to go to folk would have ended up in prison with 2 to a bed on a rota basis. Wandsworth is at 163% of capacity, so more than 3 people in every cell designed for 2.
@@michellebyrom6551 at least they tried...? Badum tss.
Can't fault this fella! Good on you Mr P
Their no money in helping the poor and homeless 😢 that’s why
George carlins point
There is no money in helping the poor, but there is a cost of poverty, additional mental health issues, reduction in potential and productivity.
It is much harder to measure but make no mistakes poverty costs.
@@rivgacooper5330but it doesn't cost the rich who can avoid taxes and don't need to rely on public services
...and the rich don't have to see the effects of homelessness, increases in mentally ill, etc because they spend more time sitting on yachts harboured somewhere nice
@@fuzzlewit9 and the I don't think there's a party that will ever fix that. Labour, once the party of "the people" are more concerned with trans rights and carbon emissions to worry about homelessness
I don't care if Starmer is boring. He's a politician, not an entertainer. I care if he's competent.
Britain has seen what an entertainer for a prime minister could and couldn't do. But then again, ripping off a scene from the movie Love Actually was low hanging fruit, even for Boris Johnson who was probably one of the most slapdash candidates in any political campaign ad.
@@3baxcb and after him came Liz Truss, a person so useless for the job that she holds the title of the shortest running PM in history of the uk
Here’s to a bit of boring.
He isnt competent, but we will see in the next few years
What makes you think he’s competent ? The crown prosecutor role he bangs on about ? Little small examples ? Tories not perfect but have a detailed how to plan . Labour got what if plans
Well done Pie you’ve created another masterpiece in brilliant political analysis 😂
He so right, Labour you are in, but dont fuck it up.
Fucking up implies they care for you and I.
Well they’ve a lot of fuck up to sort out…the mess the tories have made…people hopefully will,feel the same as a caged animal being let out .
They already have with Starmer's stance on Gaza
They will.
The problem is the tories have left behind damage that will take a generation to fix.
I read the Labour manifesto - but stopped immediately when their policy on immigration began with ‘we must stop the boats’. My problem is not the immigration policy it’s their borrowing Tory language and rhetoric to pander to Tory voters. We are lost as a nation
Neither party opposes mass immigration. They might say they do.
Can't blame them when for decades they have stuck to left wing policies and been owned by the Tories at most elections. It is logical for them to move to the right given that is the type of government the UK public clearly want. Admittedly much of that is due to the older demograph who vote Tory in greater numbers than young people, since they generally own houses, have acquired wealth over their lives, therefore Tory policies have aligned well with their interests. Young people get pissed on because their vote doesn't swing elections.
Yeah, that's a hard one. I'd like to have a country where we help people in need. I could be proud of that. And I was when I joined the army. Now though, I see where racism is and I think, what will happen if the likes of Farage get power? What will happen to them and what will happen to us? If labour doesn't act, what will Reform do? I shudder to think. You know what might be good though, get labour in and then pressure them to have a foreign policy that goes and find out what these people are facing and maybe be a world's first and help sort problems out so they can stay with the people they love and care about. Would that be an idea?
@@saydvoncripps My response would be "aint' gonna happen!" and I'm really disappointed at the thought of that. All I can see is that Labour will be a kind of caretaker government for the next term and just hope to not fuck it up too much(which won't be that difficult given the tories record!).
The rise of the Racist populists and Reform's barely concealed fascism is a real worry. I've read extensively on first and second world war subjects and the politics surrounding them, and the parallels between today the period of the beginning of the rise of fascism in Germany is horribly similar! For me the phrase "sleepwalking into fascism" is becoming more relevant every day.
Well said. The people in small boats aren't the problem, it's the people in big yachts that are the problem.
All we’ve got is three shades of Tory to vote for in this election.
Starmer = red tory lite
Sunak = posh rich standard issue blue Tory
Farage = turquoise racist Tory.
Can’t get excited about voting for any of the clowns.
“ *Now more than ever the people are responsible” . If their representatives “be ignorant, reckless and corrupt, it is because the people tolerate ignorance, recklessness, and corruption* “
I'm tempted to vote green, the manifesto is literally just "we're not the tories". It's not good enough
Yeah, but under FPTP if you vote green you'll more likely get tories, or worse still reform. And you know what reform think about climate change.
Greens manifesto is Clement Attlee style investments in the country, fuck yeah!
You obviously haven't read the Green's manifesto, it's a breath of fresh air!
I live in a London LP stronghold, so my voting Green won't be punishing the Blatcherites, but I'm voting Green nevertheless. This is the first time in my 37 years that I'm not voting Labour. 2017 and 2019 were the only years where I actually voted FOR the LP rather than against the blue Tories. But all this 'lesser of two evils' must come to a stop. As a principle it is good only if applied sparingly, if it becomes the base upon which one makes political decisions then it leads to cynicism and nihilism, and the latter only favour the far right.
@@allegory6393precisely. Well said. Ends justifying means is no philosophy at all.
I'd like to think that voter apathy will be much lower this time. I'd like to think that people are angry enough to take 5 minutes to go to the voting booth this time
Probably true. But I’m still not voting.
Don’t get me wrong, I am angry at the state of this pitiful excuse of a country that I unfortunately have to live in. But it’s like I’ve burned out all my anger and now I just don’t care anymore. Because I believe no matter who is in power, nothing will change. Nothing will ever truly get better. Changing the government will be like changing a nappy. The next one will get full of crap like the last one.
'Voter apathy' is the standard media phrasing to dismiss every non-vote as the fault of the public, not Westminster. I won't be voting for the 'least worst' of a terrible set of local candidates to be herded off to Westminster to nod through the corporate-captured party that they have more loyalty to than the constituency that voted them in. Our system is broken, the party system is broken, the media is broken and I won't be lending my tacit approval to the status quo by participating in a thoroughly rotten system that has nothing but contempt for society, and works for the corporate class, regardless of which colour rosette the country thinks looks prettiest.
Am I wrong to withhold my vote? Well that's a debate that can be had, but to call it apathy is certainly inaccurate.
There will be lots of voter apathy because only one of 2 party's will either rule or lead a coalition, and both of those party's are almost identical, both will further privatise the NHS, both will punish the poorest and serve the wealthiest, both will drag us into US wars to make weapons companies lots of money. The S*n is backing Labour ffs
@@CactusCowboyDanur a an idiot dude.
Love this man!!!!