Early in the video you say that having a multiscale let's you run heavier strings. This is counter to the actual benefit, that you can run thinner strings for a given tuning as the scale length provides the tension required for the tuning instead of relying on thick strings.
Yeah I was trying to illustrate the use of multi scale for low tunings, etc often run heavier strings. You're correct thought increased tension so can get away with lighter gauges in some cases
The second and third points make a lot of sense, but I was very surprised by the first point you made. Half a millimeter (less than 2 one-hundredth of an inch) is so small, I wouldn't think you could notice. It's like 3-5 sheets of standard printer paper stacked on top of each other.
For sure, totally get that. The thing is with the multi scale is it's wider at the nut as well as the entire length up the neck. It almost reminded me of a Mayones lol. Amazing guitar just not quite my preference.
It's crazy how much it feels different, my first Multiscale was a 7 string Legator. The string spacing is maybe an 8th of a mil wider than a regular 6 string and it took quite a bit of getting used to! But now it's one of my favourite guitars to play
First of all your level headed replies to alot of the "i don't get it" comments is to be commended. That being said. Never settle on your dream guitar. People dont realize that all of guitar is tactile and very small tolerances. When its their guitar and their 3-5 thousand dollars their minds will change on whats too heavy or too wide. Good in you for not letting the cost and what its supposed to "be" force you into keeping it.
@yoitsmegabe haha yeah man I'm used to it having been on YT for 6 years across different channels. It's all a learning experience with guitars. Sometimes there is tried and error with different specs and personal taste. Again, the guitar was amazing lots of positive things to say but it just wasn't quite right for me. All good! Cheers
I have had the same situation..with the same issue...but in reverse. The nut on my dream guitar was too narrow. When picking out the specs on my ideal/dream guitar before ordering, I didn't take the nut width into account on the neck that I chose. I'm a leftie..and live in a different country than the guitar maker, so it wasn't like I could go and feel a bunch of their necks before ordering. I just figured that the neck would be a standard size. Well...after waiting 2 years for this guitar to be made..it showed up with a 39mm nut width. I wanted my guitar to look like an older Mosrite...but not feel like an old Mosrite. Being a leftie, it isn't like I can easily sell this guitar. I love everything about this guitar..other than the narrow neck by the headstock. I guess technically, the guitar doesn't have a nut...since it has a zero fret and string guide. It sucks paying all of that money and waiting almost 2 years to get a guitar that is difficult to play any lower than the 3rd fret. It has been relegated to being my drop d guitar or I put a capo on it.
It's true that nut width really does make or break a guitar. I had the same experience with music man 41mm nut before. Way too skinny lol Yeah that's a huge gamble there with a build like that. Bummer that happened!
I have been down that road, it took me more than 10 years to realize that for me, it's modern Gibson SG and Schecter Hellraiser/Hybrid and it is pointless looking for anything else. 41-42mm nut width and thin to medium C neck profile and frets have to be medium jumbo minimum. Easier said than done, but before ordering any custom guitars you need to know very clearly what you like and be wise enough to not stray away from it because it always ends the same way.
Yeah, it's definitely a journey figuring out what works for you! Sometimes it comes down to some trial and error! I have learned a lot since this build from 2023.
That's a beautiful top on that guitar. Too bad it didn't work out for you. I've got an OM7 that's got a koa body, flamed koa top and a koa neck. It's a bit over 7 lbs and the weight is perfectly fine for me. It's got beryllium pickups and I like them. I have a C7X with Lithium pickups. You're right about them. But I've found them to be very responsive to the tone knob and I can alter the sound very easily. I like them too. Jeff Kiesel seems to design and build guitars / pickups for the music / musicians that he personally likes and not for the broader market in general.
All legitimate points. For that kind of money you should love the instrument. Do you not like Strandbergs? I’m new to your channel so I don’t know if you’ve discussed Strands in prior videos. Just curious what the draw was for you to Kiesel over Strandberg. Was it the ability to do a custom build? I certainly get that , it’s exciting. I just received my Suhr after more than a year and a half build time….but being able to choose everything down to the screws is unique, especially when you can pick the piece of koa for the top -).
Thanks for stopping by! Yeah this one wasn't quite it for me. I have looked into the strandbergs however I know they have thicker asymmetrical neck shapes and I know myself well enough that's just not something I'm going to like. I have learned over years of trial and error I prefer thinner flatter necks. For me the Kiesel had a more appealing body shape and exotic wood options.
@@TopShelfGear Oh man! in regards to the neck...I'm like you in preferring thin necks, the thinner the better. I've been playing Ibanez wizard necks for decades. For my Suhr I got the thinnest neck they offer....all that to say I love Strandberg necks. Oddly enough I like them better. Never thought I'd say that. They are just designed so incredible well and as far as the 'flatness' goes, I can't give you specs or anything but the Strandberg necks seem flatter than anything I've ever played in my decades of playing. If you don't like the body shapes of them well it is what it is but if the necks are your biggest concern I'd simply suggest trying one if you can (a nice boden mulitscale not the cheap essentials they just released). Insanely light guitar. I too wish they had more exotic wood options. I'm constantly checking Reverb for the older J6 models for that reason. Suhr has a good selection of woods if you haven't gone through their configurator.....
Half a millimeter is .020", which is roughly speaking the thickness of five sheets of copy paper. I can't feel that width difference, but if it really matters, then you did the right thing. Also, do you play live gigs or stand up to practice or record? I hear a lot of weight complaints about guitars, but most players and collectors, and especially content makers, play seated these days. Seven pounds is very light, btw, but again, if you didn't jibe with it, you did the right thing. Also, did you play Reese on Malcolm In The Middle?😅
playing a 43mm nut vs 43.5mm is actually more of a feelable difference that most would think. This one almost felt like wide as a Mayones lol. Yeah I do play small live gigs, so standing up during band practice or on stage comfort is ideal. One of the reasons I got interested in headless. Our bass player got me into Kiesels since he has a Zeus bass... No that wasnt me on that show lol
@TopShelfGear You really look like that guy lol I make guitars, and I've settled on 43mm as my standard nut width. As per the multiscale thing, there are fanned fret guitars where the parallel fret is the nut and the fan spreads out as the register is climbed. You can still get the benefit of multiscale without the awkwardness in positions one through five (in extreme fans). My guitar brand is still in the fetal stage but I have some very shitty videos on my channel showing what I'm working on rn. You may like the body styles. And I've been wanting to try and build a headless, so maybe I can send you one at some point. Take 'er easy.
Once someone makes a 42.5mm nut, I think that'll be it for me In the meantime, 42 all the way. B chord is a little tighter, but everything else +1 iMO And it's just made me more precise with tighter chords. Once (IF) I do get that 42.5mm custom guitar, I'll have all the room in the world (; I've only got one guitar, and I've been pretty satisfied with 42mm nut. Had wider in the past, and I'm convinced it cramped my hands, especially when paired with the thinner neck profile that so many seem to prefer. Man, you could give me a boatneck, and I'd probably be good with that I'll stick with my one. It allows me to invest more into trying different things until I dial it in perfectly. I think I'm about there. The guitar inspires me so much I'm going to end up making a one-off video for it someday. Anyway, it's late. Good stuff.
Sorry to hear. Definitely a live and learn. I may have one myself when I get my Zeus 7 MS. I'm hoping mine isn't too awkwardly heavy (chambered black limba, poplar burl top, walnut neck, ebony board).
What are your favourite body woods from Kiesel after this experience? I’m actually doing a build now. Also curious if you’ve tried their other pickups.
Ziricote is definitely heavy, but black limba really isn't, unless that piece was particularly heavy? That blackwood in the neck surely contributed to the weight more than the actual body. Gorgeous guitar nonetheless.
Yeah ziricote definitely is really heavy and dense. Black limba is one of those woods where there's alot of variance between pieces. Jeff has mentioned this on FAQ live streams as well. Blood wood also super heavy as well.
I sold my first Kiesel build which had black limba body with flame koa top (DC600). It was just too heavy for my tastes, and over time it just began to look more like a piece of (heavy) furniture, hence the release into the wild.
Half a millimeter? Bizarre. Out of curiosity I measured my 25.5" scale A2 and both of my Multiscale Aries. One of the multiscales is .8mm wider and the other is .5mm wider. Can't say I've ever noticed a difference on any of them.
You know I'm good with both. My last kiesel A2 I reviewed has been awesome. I learned from this previous order what worked and what didn't. Also just grabbed a new off the shelf jackson too that's been good 👍
That's the problem with math rock, it becomes a feat of dexterity and skill...Transforming the musician into a spechalist feeder who can only eat one thing. I've stopped trying to keep up with the Joneses, because I've discovered that most people hate math rock, and I've never stuck to one genre of music anyway. For the record, I don't know if this guy plays math rock, it's just the type of guitar.
Lol yeah I know that you're talking about. Not my style at all. Honestly I'm happier with a straight 27" for just chugging chords in dropped tunings lol
Lmaoooo it really has. I mean there's still people in here misinterpreting my points especially about the multi scale, the Venus is 25.5-27" but yet was slimmer and more comfortable than the kiesel with 25.5-26.5". It's just perfect in many ways. But I ordered this Osiris before every playing the OD so it's not like I would have known the difference in feel. Lol
@TopShelfGear as you’ve said to others here, it’s live and learn. Love my Kiesel but personally I wouldn’t rush to buy another one. Not after having an OD and an Aristides. Perhaps you could look into the latter for a future guitar? Unless you’ve had one of course and I missed it.
@lharmy dude absolutely, with the new 2025 price increase from Kiesel... that'd be really hard for me to get another one. I'd rather get another OD and have full control of picking out exact woods. Never tried aristides but IMO the body shape doesn't look very ergonomic like not much if any bevel or wrist contour.
@@TopShelfGear definitely a try before you buy. Love mine personally. But yeah the whole OD experience is insane. Would love to go through it again. Maybe in the future :)
I seriously don´t understand. The neck isn´t wider, the nut HAS to be longer to cover the width of the neck, as it is tilted (multiscale). I don´t think the actual neck is wider..?!
@axeljuengst2522 check the specs I showed in the video. It does make a difference, much wider feel. Again personal taste, I'm not suggesting it was built incorrectly or anything.
They made what you wanted though? They are detailing your requests and unless theyre suggesting something different and haven't gotten the approval then they're doing what you asked them to do. I wouldn't even think of spending money on a instrument unless I played it and understood what i was using.
@TopShelfGear it's heavy and buyers remorse is about all I got out of it, didn't seem like a good fit to begin with if it had that many specifications you didn't enjoy using.
So you spec'd your dream guitar with things you have on other guitars, and are now unhappy with,.....it?? Thats a little odd. Then,....the weight. Jeff didnt tell you Zirocote was gonna be pretty heavy?? Limba isn't to heavy, but 7lbs headless or not,....is pretty comfortable. And finally,....the pickups??? Just say you didn't love your special order, personally spec'd, "dream guitar". Just say,....."I spec'd like an angry teenager.". 😂
We all live and learn! Every brand is a little different just as every piece of wood. Guitar was amazing but just not something I decided to hold onto as mentioned.
Wow never noticed until you said it but my Zm6 neck is definitely wider. I prefer it but i can see why you wouldnt like it if you like thinner necks
Yup! It really is a significant difference. I checked mine with calipers it was wider all the way. Lol live and learn!
Early in the video you say that having a multiscale let's you run heavier strings. This is counter to the actual benefit, that you can run thinner strings for a given tuning as the scale length provides the tension required for the tuning instead of relying on thick strings.
Yeah I was trying to illustrate the use of multi scale for low tunings, etc often run heavier strings. You're correct thought increased tension so can get away with lighter gauges in some cases
The second and third points make a lot of sense, but I was very surprised by the first point you made. Half a millimeter (less than 2 one-hundredth of an inch) is so small, I wouldn't think you could notice. It's like 3-5 sheets of standard printer paper stacked on top of each other.
For sure, totally get that. The thing is with the multi scale is it's wider at the nut as well as the entire length up the neck. It almost reminded me of a Mayones lol. Amazing guitar just not quite my preference.
@@TopShelfGear I've never owned a multiscale so this is definitely a good tip to look out for before getting one. Thanks!
It's crazy how much it feels different, my first Multiscale was a 7 string Legator. The string spacing is maybe an 8th of a mil wider than a regular 6 string and it took quite a bit of getting used to! But now it's one of my favourite guitars to play
@@Gareth_J Yep it really can make a difference!
First of all your level headed replies to alot of the "i don't get it" comments is to be commended.
That being said. Never settle on your dream guitar. People dont realize that all of guitar is tactile and very small tolerances. When its their guitar and their 3-5 thousand dollars their minds will change on whats too heavy or too wide. Good in you for not letting the cost and what its supposed to "be" force you into keeping it.
@yoitsmegabe haha yeah man I'm used to it having been on YT for 6 years across different channels.
It's all a learning experience with guitars. Sometimes there is tried and error with different specs and personal taste. Again, the guitar was amazing lots of positive things to say but it just wasn't quite right for me. All good! Cheers
I’ve always enjoy3d lightweight basswood. People shouldn’t hate on it so much.
Yeah! That is a good point 👉
I have had the same situation..with the same issue...but in reverse. The nut on my dream guitar was too narrow. When picking out the specs on my ideal/dream guitar before ordering, I didn't take the nut width into account on the neck that I chose. I'm a leftie..and live in a different country than the guitar maker, so it wasn't like I could go and feel a bunch of their necks before ordering. I just figured that the neck would be a standard size. Well...after waiting 2 years for this guitar to be made..it showed up with a 39mm nut width. I wanted my guitar to look like an older Mosrite...but not feel like an old Mosrite. Being a leftie, it isn't like I can easily sell this guitar. I love everything about this guitar..other than the narrow neck by the headstock. I guess technically, the guitar doesn't have a nut...since it has a zero fret and string guide. It sucks paying all of that money and waiting almost 2 years to get a guitar that is difficult to play any lower than the 3rd fret. It has been relegated to being my drop d guitar or I put a capo on it.
It's true that nut width really does make or break a guitar. I had the same experience with music man 41mm nut before. Way too skinny lol Yeah that's a huge gamble there with a build like that. Bummer that happened!
I have been down that road, it took me more than 10 years to realize that for me, it's modern Gibson SG and Schecter Hellraiser/Hybrid and it is pointless looking for anything else. 41-42mm nut width and thin to medium C neck profile and frets have to be medium jumbo minimum. Easier said than done, but before ordering any custom guitars you need to know very clearly what you like and be wise enough to not stray away from it because it always ends the same way.
Yeah, it's definitely a journey figuring out what works for you! Sometimes it comes down to some trial and error! I have learned a lot since this build from 2023.
That's a beautiful top on that guitar. Too bad it didn't work out for you. I've got an OM7 that's got a koa body, flamed koa top and a koa neck. It's a bit over 7 lbs and the weight is perfectly fine for me. It's got beryllium pickups and I like them. I have a C7X with Lithium pickups. You're right about them. But I've found them to be very responsive to the tone knob and I can alter the sound very easily. I like them too. Jeff Kiesel seems to design and build guitars / pickups for the music / musicians that he personally likes and not for the broader market in general.
Thx for watching yea this one was beautiful. Nothing wrong with it just not my cup of tea lol
All legitimate points. For that kind of money you should love the instrument. Do you not like Strandbergs? I’m new to your channel so I don’t know if you’ve discussed Strands in prior videos. Just curious what the draw was for you to Kiesel over Strandberg. Was it the ability to do a custom build? I certainly get that , it’s exciting. I just received my Suhr after more than a year and a half build time….but being able to choose everything down to the screws is unique, especially when you can pick the piece of koa for the top -).
Thanks for stopping by! Yeah this one wasn't quite it for me. I have looked into the strandbergs however I know they have thicker asymmetrical neck shapes and I know myself well enough that's just not something I'm going to like. I have learned over years of trial and error I prefer thinner flatter necks. For me the Kiesel had a more appealing body shape and exotic wood options.
@@TopShelfGear Oh man! in regards to the neck...I'm like you in preferring thin necks, the thinner the better. I've been playing Ibanez wizard necks for decades. For my Suhr I got the thinnest neck they offer....all that to say I love Strandberg necks. Oddly enough I like them better. Never thought I'd say that. They are just designed so incredible well and as far as the 'flatness' goes, I can't give you specs or anything but the Strandberg necks seem flatter than anything I've ever played in my decades of playing. If you don't like the body shapes of them well it is what it is but if the necks are your biggest concern I'd simply suggest trying one if you can (a nice boden mulitscale not the cheap essentials they just released). Insanely light guitar. I too wish they had more exotic wood options. I'm constantly checking Reverb for the older J6 models for that reason. Suhr has a good selection of woods if you haven't gone through their configurator.....
Thanks for sharing that info. I'll check one out at some point haha. I bet that suhr is amazing too. :)
I didn’t realize getting pickups for multi-scale is a pain
Lol yeah not exactly a direct swap
Half a millimeter is .020", which is roughly speaking the thickness of five sheets of copy paper. I can't feel that width difference, but if it really matters, then you did the right thing.
Also, do you play live gigs or stand up to practice or record? I hear a lot of weight complaints about guitars, but most players and collectors, and especially content makers, play seated these days.
Seven pounds is very light, btw, but again, if you didn't jibe with it, you did the right thing.
Also, did you play Reese on Malcolm In The Middle?😅
playing a 43mm nut vs 43.5mm is actually more of a feelable difference that most would think. This one almost felt like wide as a Mayones lol. Yeah I do play small live gigs, so standing up during band practice or on stage comfort is ideal. One of the reasons I got interested in headless. Our bass player got me into Kiesels since he has a Zeus bass... No that wasnt me on that show lol
@TopShelfGear You really look like that guy lol
I make guitars, and I've settled on 43mm as my standard nut width.
As per the multiscale thing, there are fanned fret guitars where the parallel fret is the nut and the fan spreads out as the register is climbed. You can still get the benefit of multiscale without the awkwardness in positions one through five (in extreme fans).
My guitar brand is still in the fetal stage but I have some very shitty videos on my channel showing what I'm working on rn. You may like the body styles. And I've been wanting to try and build a headless, so maybe I can send you one at some point.
Take 'er easy.
@@peachmelba1000 Well said! yeah I do prefer the 43mm too. That is pretty cool! Yeah I'd be glad to check it out in the future :) Thanks
Once someone makes a 42.5mm nut, I think that'll be it for me
In the meantime, 42 all the way. B chord is a little tighter, but everything else +1 iMO
And it's just made me more precise with tighter chords.
Once (IF) I do get that 42.5mm custom guitar, I'll have all the room in the world (;
I've only got one guitar, and I've been pretty satisfied with 42mm nut.
Had wider in the past, and I'm convinced it cramped my hands, especially when paired with the thinner neck profile that so many seem to prefer.
Man, you could give me a boatneck, and I'd probably be good with that
I'll stick with my one. It allows me to invest more into trying different things until I dial it in perfectly. I think I'm about there.
The guitar inspires me so much I'm going to end up making a one-off video for it someday.
Anyway, it's late. Good stuff.
Sorry to hear. Definitely a live and learn. I may have one myself when I get my Zeus 7 MS. I'm hoping mine isn't too awkwardly heavy (chambered black limba, poplar burl top, walnut neck, ebony board).
Yeah it's all good 👍 hope yours turns out well 🙂 sounds like a great build
Really like your videos and channel , thank you for informing us on all these guitars.
Thanks David! Always glad to share these gear related experiences!
7lb for a headless guitar is heavy, but the top is so nice!
I know! My thoughts exactly!
I get the weight. A pound is a lot on a guitar. But half a millimeter on the nut. You could feel that?
Yes because the multi scale neck is wider all the way up the neck.
What are your favourite body woods from Kiesel after this experience? I’m actually doing a build now. Also curious if you’ve tried their other pickups.
Swamp ash and Alder! The thorium/emperyan is great combo too!
Thanks!
Funny I think they need to offer wider NUT widths.
You'd love a Mayones! Lol
Yup. I make mine with 44mm.
Hey I want a quad cortex.
Call my guys! 858 quad cortex 😂
@@TopShelfGear 🤣
It's the bridge on the headless guitar, that makes so heavy
Yeah that plus dense heavy exotic woods lol
I guess you'll never play 7 or 8 string guitars. The neck is super comfortable, in my opinion.
Too many strings for me lol Yeah I have now learned 6 string standard scale is most comfortable for me. The A2 I just reviewed is perfect IMO.
Ziricote is definitely heavy, but black limba really isn't, unless that piece was particularly heavy? That blackwood in the neck surely contributed to the weight more than the actual body. Gorgeous guitar nonetheless.
Yeah ziricote definitely is really heavy and dense. Black limba is one of those woods where there's alot of variance between pieces. Jeff has mentioned this on FAQ live streams as well. Blood wood also super heavy as well.
I sold my first Kiesel build which had black limba body with flame koa top (DC600). It was just too heavy for my tastes, and over time it just began to look more like a piece of (heavy) furniture, hence the release into the wild.
Lol totally understand. I have back problems as well so for me light weight is a priority.
Half a millimeter? Bizarre. Out of curiosity I measured my 25.5" scale A2 and both of my Multiscale Aries. One of the multiscales is .8mm wider and the other is .5mm wider. Can't say I've ever noticed a difference on any of them.
Yeah I didn't catch that until later on lol does make a difference. I tend to prefer the narrower thinner feel of the standard scale.
You probably need to stick to mass produced guitars from now on
You know I'm good with both. My last kiesel A2 I reviewed has been awesome. I learned from this previous order what worked and what didn't. Also just grabbed a new off the shelf jackson too that's been good 👍
That's the problem with math rock, it becomes a feat of dexterity and skill...Transforming the musician into a spechalist feeder who can only eat one thing. I've stopped trying to keep up with the Joneses, because I've discovered that most people hate math rock, and I've never stuck to one genre of music anyway.
For the record, I don't know if this guy plays math rock, it's just the type of guitar.
Lol yeah I know that you're talking about. Not my style at all. Honestly I'm happier with a straight 27" for just chugging chords in dropped tunings lol
That OD has ruined you, as it has me. Everything else just doesn’t compare!
Lmaoooo it really has. I mean there's still people in here misinterpreting my points especially about the multi scale, the Venus is 25.5-27" but yet was slimmer and more comfortable than the kiesel with 25.5-26.5". It's just perfect in many ways. But I ordered this Osiris before every playing the OD so it's not like I would have known the difference in feel. Lol
@TopShelfGear as you’ve said to others here, it’s live and learn. Love my Kiesel but personally I wouldn’t rush to buy another one. Not after having an OD and an Aristides. Perhaps you could look into the latter for a future guitar? Unless you’ve had one of course and I missed it.
@lharmy dude absolutely, with the new 2025 price increase from Kiesel... that'd be really hard for me to get another one. I'd rather get another OD and have full control of picking out exact woods. Never tried aristides but IMO the body shape doesn't look very ergonomic like not much if any bevel or wrist contour.
@@TopShelfGear definitely a try before you buy. Love mine personally. But yeah the whole OD experience is insane. Would love to go through it again. Maybe in the future :)
I seriously don´t understand. The neck isn´t wider, the nut HAS to be longer to cover the width of the neck, as it is tilted (multiscale). I don´t think the actual neck is wider..?!
@axeljuengst2522 check the specs I showed in the video. It does make a difference, much wider feel. Again personal taste, I'm not suggesting it was built incorrectly or anything.
Is it supposed to be pronounced key-zull?
That's how I've always heard it
They made what you wanted though? They are detailing your requests and unless theyre suggesting something different and haven't gotten the approval then they're doing what you asked them to do.
I wouldn't even think of spending money on a instrument unless I played it and understood what i was using.
Yeah never said they didn't. I explained what didn't work out for me in the long run in the video 🙃
@TopShelfGear it's heavy and buyers remorse is about all I got out of it, didn't seem like a good fit to begin with if it had that many specifications you didn't enjoy using.
Imagine thinking a half a millimeter and 1 pound is a big deal.
Does make quite a bit of difference. Personal preference of course. It's ok to have an opinion of one's custom guitar.
For human comfort it can make surprising difference, especially for something you wear on your body for potentially hours
@@Burbund this^^
@@TopShelfGear Imagine pretending these things matter.
@@lunatictumor imagine worrying about strangers opinions of their guitars on the internet...
So you spec'd your dream guitar with things you have on other guitars, and are now unhappy with,.....it?? Thats a little odd. Then,....the weight. Jeff didnt tell you Zirocote was gonna be pretty heavy?? Limba isn't to heavy, but 7lbs headless or not,....is pretty comfortable. And finally,....the pickups??? Just say you didn't love your special order, personally spec'd, "dream guitar". Just say,....."I spec'd like an angry teenager.". 😂
We all live and learn! Every brand is a little different just as every piece of wood. Guitar was amazing but just not something I decided to hold onto as mentioned.
@TopShelfGear Yeah. I got that.
You seem a little hostile.
Kiesel fanboys are a weird bunch.
@areallyboredguy5825 And you seem very sensitive.