Diamond DA42 Twin Star - Cost to Own
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- What does it actually cost to buy and own a DA42 Twinstar? In this short video we break down the DA42 Twinstar Cost of Ownership and let you know exactly what your get for your money. And how much of your money it will take.
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In addition to annual costs, we cover the cost per hour and cost per mile to operate. We also cover key performance stats so you know what you're paying for.
Costs of airplane ownership vary widely from owner to owner. This video takes an average of the various expenses from existing owners and boils them down to simple to digest numbers. Your ownership experiences will be unique.
I did my commercial multi in a DA42VI that was fairly new (the ones with the Austro AE34C engines). Fantastic plane to fly with some really nice single engine handling characteristics. Frankly some of the easiest emergency procedures I've had to learn. It shoots single engine approaches so easily and landings are just butter smooth with that trailing link landing gear. That is if the plane was working. I'd say conservatively I had to cancel about a third of my flights due to some issue with the airplane ranging from ECU faults to composite de-lamination on the wings. Maintenance would do a good job resolving the issue of the day, but something else would always come up. The run-up is really nice and easy, all you have to do is push a button and let the computers run a self check on the ECU's and engines. Fun plane to fly, but even if I had the money I would never own one due to the poor reliability.
Was this at Riddle? I heard they had a ton of these issues with the ECU, partially because Diamond didn't design the aircraft well to be operated constantly in a training setting.
@@lucasbrien5008 Seeing as training seems to be the vast majority of use for the 42, that would be borderline ironic. I mean, down here, they're all trainers from what I can see. Trawling through the register there isn't a single one that isn't owned by a flight school. The delamination makes me worry about intense UV issues. Arizona and Australia would/could be killers in that respect.
@@michaelhoffmann2891 Hah, I'll be flying the 42s in Arizona with Embry-Riddle for my multi in about a year.
Let me guess, Riddle? I just started my multi engine there in the diamonds, great airplane
@@omgitspylot4411 @LucasBrien hello fellow Riddle Pilots. I’m also hoping to start my Multi training by next year in AZ.
Your videos keep getting more and more polished. Keep it up! Great channel!
Edit: I just bought a bunch of merch. Hopefully you can keep this up for a long time!
Condor wings lol
Really enjoy your videos! I own a DA42 VI with the Austro engines, and it’s a totally different aircraft than the early model trainer with Thielert engines that you profile here. I would compare my plane to an SR-22 Turbo in terms of performance- the Mark VI versions of the 42 are fast and efficient with excellent range- but you have the added benefit of a second engine for flying over mountains and the Great Lakes. I regularly cruise between 170 and 185 KTAS burning around 14.5 gallons per hour total, and could fly for over 5 hours before running out of Jet A. I could also pull the power back and fly over 1,100 miles non stop. Equipped with radar, oxygen, AC and FIKI de icing, a good used 42 VI will cost $800 to $900k. New will run $1.1M. The specs are very similar to a DA62, but carrying three or four people instead of five to seven. I’d love to see you profile the 42 VI…they’re a fantastic but misunderstood plane.
Hi, Thanks for sharing your experience. Please feel free to msg me on instagram or Facebook. I would like to hear more about your plane
A fantastic summary, would love to hear more. You couldn't do a one-hour video could you? :) How comfortable is it actually if you're tall (but not wide/fat)? How is it as a 2-person/full-tanks/luggage cruiser? How is single engine flight and performance *really*, when not done by those semi-pros in the various aviation mags and forums? All those make the 42 and 62 sound as if they fly as easily as a 172 "landomatic", but really?
C-FTKG, the tail number on the first drawing, has Austro engines. That's the one I've flown. Spoiler alert: It'll cruise faster than 155kts. Looking forward to the video that covers the Austro variant.
All of them are faster than 155kats. I fly a 42 Tdi with the 135hp engines and it cruises right between 170 to 180 ktas
I asked about DA42 around 4-6 weeks ago in DA40NG comments and you've made it!
Thanks a lot, dear sir! :)
Thanks a lot for giving us data both in normal and freedom units, I really appreciate not having to google how many feet, inches or toe hairs are a meter, keep up the great work
As a student A&P mechanic, I personally find it easier weighing, balancing and measuring an aircraft with the Metric system. Since pretty much all measurements are based on the number 10. It can suck working on a Diamond, Airbus or other EU aircraft in the U.S. because those aircraft were built in metric, but typically owned by people who only know Imperial. So it's important to understand how to compare both systems if you own or service a European aircraft here in the States. But I do agree that it is easier for most people to understand the way they were thought. And for most people, it's not even necessary for them to know how to compare the two. So you'd be forgiven to prefer one over the other :)
In all fairness, it’s easier to measure (and calculate) everything in Metric.
Almost all American engineers, let alone scientists, I know of count in Metric, then convert to Imperial. Fun fact 1: USA were the decisive force to make the Metric System an international one. Because of America (you kinda can say so) the world is Metric.
Fun fact 2: All Imperial units in the US are officially defined in Metric.
P. S. Airbus A300 (first world’s twin engine wide body plane) was designed and manufactured in Imperial units.🙂
I love the fact you made a short video and added humor . Perfect. I hate watching a 30 min video when their is only 10min of info .
Thanks! All killer no filler 🙂
Hello! You should look into more details on the DA42... There are different iterations of the DA42 out there, and the newest one, the DA42-VI, has speeds of up to 195kts TAS with a fuel burn of 16gph combined. This was accomplished with aerodynamic improvements.
There are other engine combinations out there, like the Continental Diesel 135/155 engines. Also, there's different TBO/TBR's for the airplanes.
I work for a distributor of these airplanes and happy to chat about the differences (all of them!) of the DA42
This video is specifically about the first gen DA42, he promises further info about other generations at the end of this video
@@YaroslavNechaev yep! The first generation of the DA42 has CD 135/155 engines available as well as others with improved TBO/R’s
Doing my PPL on a DA40. The DA42 will be next for my multi-engine because this is what my flight school have. Again a nice video!
Austro engined DA42’s would be interesting to me.
I’m thinking of buying one and leasing it to my local flight school who has a Diamond fleet, in exchange for a reduced price and garanteed days I can use it. For now they are so busy training pilots,their planes aren’t even available for rental,due no spare capacity
"Allow us to learn" - Hehe. I did a nice chuckle when I heard that one. Keep them coming, great vid.
Same :D
I just got my 1967 m20c flying again! Would love to have a video on that. Got it for 45k but had a fuel tank leak and needed some avionics, but it flew!
I got a 1974 m20c, I’ve had it for just over a year now. It was geared up but my mechanic fixed her up and I got her for 35K, low time on the engine too! It was a steal of a lifetime.
Congrats to YOU!
It would be cool to see a quick recap on how these planes compare to the similiar ones you've done previously. Similar to a "Doug score" type thing if you will.
THIIIIIIIS is a diamond DA-42. I can hear it now lolol
Appreciate the CW specs being in both metric and imperial.
I keep looking for the updates on the other engines!
You should do voice overs for the other aviation channels. You voice is so calming and nice to listen to!
Oh thank you
Another great video! I'd love to see small homebuilts, like a Hummel, Minimax, or Pietenpol.
"Allow us to lerrrrrn" hahahaha. I laughed so hard at that. New Complete Walkaround motto
Can you please do a Lancair Evolution?
I would love to see a flysynthesis Texan!
Thanks for these videos man, I love them! Keep em coming 😎
*Can you please make a video about an electric airplane?*
I think you mean *the* electric plane, last time I checked there was only one certified type lol
Paul Bertorelli did a good job covering that one.
Love your vids but you killed me on my fave plane here. The range of the DA42 (NG or VI) is conservatively 1225 nautical miles, not 700! They've been flown across the North Atlantic numerous times at 50% power. Actually I think even this original DA42 has been flown across the Atlantic. Pretty cool. 🏀
Hi, Thanks. 2 things. First, I never talk about the half power, 10 hours of flying range. Nobody does that and the channel wouldn't be very useful if that's what I posted. I post realistic range speed and loads under normal conditions and normal operation. 2. You can cross the Atlantic with very little range. Scotland, Iceland, 2 stops in Greenland then to Canada is very doable and happens all the time. Ok 3 things, twinstar is very different from NG and VI. Thanks for watching.
Could you possibly do a gyro plane? I'm interested to see how they would compare to a fixed wing.
gonna need those Video about different engine versions sooooooon plzzz
Loved the M20C shout-out
Great video. Would you consider reviewing the Tecnam P2006T?
Yes, Will be my next twin
I think you used one of the early series 42s for base, which wasn't clear until the very end of the video. They were indeed criticised for both performance and using those "throw-away" Thielerts. The VI seems to have improved in all aspects - though if you're having problems at 6'2", I'm out at 6'4". I'd read they were snug in the cabin, but that makes a Mooney look like first class in an A380! Yikes. The 42 is really popular for training, I guess that explains why. Now what I want to see is the DA62!
Can we see more of your RV-14 build?
It's packed up right now, moving into a new hanger. Waiting for the floor to go in the hanger, which is waiting for spring. So, lots of waiting going on.
I hope you are going to make a video with the Austro engines. Thanks :)
I like how I watched most of your videos with only 20 bucks in my bank account.
Goals are important
Can you do the DA-62 next?
Love the videos, hoping for more soon
Thanks. Posting today
Fan of your videos! Keep it up! I’d love to see a video about the Cessna Turbo Stationair HD 👍
It's a trainer like a Seminole or Duchess. If you want actual twin capability you have to go DA62.
Velocity aircraft when?
My oh my how the prices have changed in only 2 years lol!
Great video man
Love your videos! Would you be able to do the Subsonex Jet? That thing looks pretty cool!
Would love to see the cost to own a DA 42 VI!
I would love to see a video on the Twin Comanche, from what I have been reading that is a twin with operating costs near to that of a big single, plus that is my if I win the lottery plane
Great job ! Thanks 👍. Probably next one will be DA 62 ? Please 🙏
If you loose and engine what is the performance then, I'm asking as a non-pilot? Just wondered what the second engine gets you, other than trained in a multi engine.
Well, I am kind of dated, I did my multiengine rating in 1976! A Piper PA-23-250 Aztec, D model. I would fly one on a canceled check run early in my career. That was some 46 years ago. The light Piston twin market had the rug pulled out when the FAA changes the Rules to allow Single-engine turbine airplanes to fly pax under FAR-135. For so time you could buy a Piston twin for the price of the flight times left on the engines. I liked flying the Aztec Navajos 310 and 402. The newest airframe would have rolled out of the factory back in 1986 or later. Unless you have a specific need or a lot of income to support a light twin. I would suggest avoiding it. But if you can then well I am biased the Piper Aztec would be the one.
Nice video!
Above comment to be read in wii sports voice
Thanks - very interesting seeing the DA42 having little to no advantage, compared to some single engined planes! I´d fancy a review on a Robin DR401, maybe you can take a look at that some day - although I realise that it is not as popular in the States...
Maybe a grumman American too
Hey Complete walk around I asked you about a video on the vans Rv-8 you did reply but I have been waiting a bit I know you probably have other aircraft to do I was just asking when you could do it? thanks man.
Hi, yup, I'm very lucky to be getting dozens of requests everyday. I'm trying to get the ones out that get requested over and over.
Are you thinking about building an rv8
@@CompleteWalkaround well sorta I’m 15 and obviously don’t have the funds for an aircraft however I do plan to build one in the future
This is the one, This has what I want but the Cessna 150 is all I can afford lol
The 12 year TBO is just a suggestion right? Just like a 2000 hour TBO is the manufacture recommendation but if your engine is Healthy there is no reason to euthanize it.
Best episode
I would like to see a video on a Bell 206 or any helicopter similar to it, and Antonov An-2
These things go for about 800K on average now. Paying that much for a 160kt cruise and twice as many things to break is ridiculous. Might as well get a Mooney.
Make a video on the Cessna 441 Conquest II
The price has come down since the original version. It was upwards of $725,000.
They really only make sense as a flight school plane but honestly my old schools seemed to always have some issue
Feels good to know that I can afford to print this out on a sheet of paper and feel like I own the real thing.
Even better if you can afford to print it in colour
Are you planning to buy his merch?
Can you do the Apache Geronimo, twin commanche, and Aztec?
What about the DA62?
The 62 is the REAL twin but it costs like one too to purchase
Could you do the cost of ownership for a Glassair 3?
Please make a Bd4c video when your free
You mention the DA50 but that was never produced, right? Not until the current DA50 RG.
And the DA50RG isn't outperforming the DA42 VI. They are different animals but the DA42VI is faster and can fly longer distances compared to the DA50RG.
Hi, This video is just talking original DA42, Twin Star. Other versions have different performance indeed.
Please do de havilland dash 7. We want to See the gallons per hour.
250 though these planes measure fuel burn in pounds per hour. 1640 pph
Please do dr400!
I love watching these videos knowing full and well I will never be able to afford these planes
I think about 99% of us will never afford one of these, but it's nice to see the drawings and dream
How about video on 103 planes?
eyy do the A29B Super Tucano
Could you do a tecnam p2006t video?
Yes, it'll be the next twin
@@CompleteWalkaround awesome!!!im so excited now!
I always thought these were built for the only reason of being a cheep trainer to get a multi engine rating instead of using a 310 or something similar.
Similar story with the Tecnam p2006T - just enough aircraft to get your twin / complex ratings, not enough aircraft to actually go anywhere at a decent clip.
Can you do a video on the Cessna 310?
How about this one ruclips.net/video/xqH9_-Rl0G8/видео.html&ab_channel=CompleteWalkaround
In the future could you do the Extreme Decathlon or Citabria?
Ya! We need some aerobatic planes on here i wager
Can you do a DA62 or DA50RG?
Do a Beech B58 plz
Nooooo my dreams......
These are great in their own right.... but this one is even better! I like seeing someone express the thoughts that we're all thinking but the "youtube personalities selling these things" wont say.... Keep it up!
The da 42 does 1 thing great... Cheap multi engine rating
Doesn't the airframe itself have a very short TCDS lifespan?
No lifespan. They go by a structural inspection program rather than life limiting the airframe much like Cirrus. The inspection is BIG - gear off, wings off, all flight control rods out, fuel tanks out, horizontal stab off and more.
Love these videos but this one confused me a bit. Not sure what the takeaway of the fake specs was supposed to be. Looks to me like climb is the only different number but then you talk about fuel burn. Shouldn't range be higher if fuel burn is lower? Also why pick this plane to do a video on if the conclusion seems to be that there's no good reason to buy it? Might make more sense to just do a video on one of the more practical versions of this plane and briefly mention that this one isn't worth it in that video.
Hi, The M20C Specs were to show that this plane performs like a mid-range single. I chose this plane to do because it was the first of the DA42s, I'll do the others later. I'm not just doing planes that I think are good buys. More planes that people want to buy and ask about. Someday I'll have the whole DA42 set on here and then people can compare and make their own choices. This plane is actually a good trainer. Running it 500 hours a year can make it pretty good deal. My videos are more for owner/operators then commercial uses which is why it comes off not very positive. I've had a lot of requests for this plane specifically, probably because it's the cheapest one when you pull up DA42 ads.
I appreciate the comment. I have a thing for complete sentences :)
@@CompleteWalkaround Thanks for the reply. It's ambitious of you to plan on so many planes but you've got a good pace going and I wish you the best!
DA42 was built to be a trainer. That's really it.
Why is the imperial ft/m but the metric is m/s?
Pilots use feet per minute. Folks who just want to know the metric equivalent like m/s.
The switch roo into the single double segment was pretty rather witty ✍️
9000 a year for insurance? Holy smokes!!!
Diamond have in fact extended the engine TBO to 2100 hrs, with the 125-02-99. They have also released a third version of those engines but I don't know the figures for that.
Also, the maintenance benefit of the DA42 is that you only need to do maintenance at every 100hrs, with no annual (except avionics). So it works well in commercial aviation or flight training.
FYI I work for a light aircraft maintenance company and love the amount of detail you go into for your videos - it could be useful for some of my customers 😀
Ryan is correct. Same scope, different in that it has to be an IA/rated inspection at a CRS.
Antonov An-2 gang
So basically it’s a multi trainer and that’s all it’s good for?
pipistrel video please
pi9etenpol
Yup. Cost of operation of a twin for the performance of a C-210. Being a twin means glide ratio sucks means long glider-inspired wings aren't really practical. DA-40 gets a great glide ratio. DA-42 - not so much.
IMHO the DA-40 (both TDI and NG) are Diamond's best bang for the buck.
The DA-20 has little value beyond basic flight training, while for that role - it's kinda pricey. Even if you only want 2 seats - there are faster 2-seaters with greater load, range, for similar cost.
The DA-50 is... very new and, imho grossly overpriced. I mean all certified aircraft are but, still, more than others. And low range. Guess it's for those who wanna fly fast not very far. Sub-1000 mile range for a >$1m aircraft is meh. I mean range of the DA-50 is less than of the DA-40! One can get a beater turboprop and have enough left for a fresh paintjob and new seat cloth for that kinda money.
Flying under 125 hr/year it's generally more economical to rent than own any aircraft (of the 2-6 seater "proper airplane" kind, not talking about... super-simple experimentals, motor-hanggliders, ultralights and the like).
Now, that is not to say one shouldn've value peace of mind that you're the only one who's flown this aircraft, and also NOT having to deal with randomness which comes from renting whatever is available at a flight club on a given day. But if one values that AND flyes under 100 hrs/year - that will come at a premium cost.
210 has better performance, until you have an engine failure, then the DA42 does much much better 😉
So this is a plane for people who are not comfortable with just 1 engine, but at the same time want a short plane, I don't even look at a twin engine plane that carries less than 6 people.
700nm??? RANGE?? That has to be a punchline 😂
You can stretch if out to nearly 1000 if you pull the power waaay back. it'll take all day though.
i gotta say this video is actually really inaccurate for the aircraft. but you did chose the MOST unpopular and worst performing engine , most have the astros. so you should have went with that. biggest thing is cruise speed and TBO time. so way to go after the worst variant of the da42.
Yeah I'm scratching my head. I really wanted to know how costs look like with the astros. Plus the fact that they use Jet-A
Is that based on renting the DA42 IV at Blue Line?? Twin Star and IV are very different
It sounds like he's gonna do a video for the other variants as well. It is a little odd though to make a video about this plane when the conclusion seems to be that there's no good reason to buy it.
Hi, Ya I'm going to do them all, not just the ones I personally think are the best buys. This one came highly requested, probably because its the cheapest of the DA42s. As for accuracy, please Captain Gaming, enlighten me
@@paulgemperlein626 exactly just literally pointed it in a bad light
Diamod makes terrible airplanes.
Pronounced "TEE-lert". Not "THHEE-alert"
Can you please do the Mitsubishi MU-2. It would be much appreciated ! Thanks!
What about the DA62?