9 days later from the time of this video's publishment I can finally let you know how the range is if you only are using ECO mode and dual motor. The conditions during my testing of the ECO mode were about the same as the conditions I had when I tested it's range in turbo mode so if you havn't seen that part then go to 5:16 in the video before continuing reading this! I am happy to tell you that the maximum range I got in ECO mode was an unbelievable 125 km or 77.6 mi. In the video I talked about an expectable 100 km or 62.1 mi in ECO mode which is the maximum stated range by the company, but this scooter greatly exceded that number which is awesome!! There can't be many scooters out there having better value for the money when it comes to the range compared to the Duotts D88!!
If you use single mode it causes drag . A good amount of drag . It your motor controller has push assistance? It helps but not much . The final word it keep it in dual motor mode for efficiency. Look up ginger on wheels
Very detailed and well made video! I appreciate it! It helped illuminate a lot about these scooters. I got a very similar model of scooter you have (tifgalop t88 plus), from a different brand and it so far rides amazingly and I got up to 40mph easily without any speed wobbles. The stock headlights are the same as yours, and I found personally they weren't bright enough for street riding at night and doesn't come with a front blinker, so I ended up getting aftermarket headlight/signal for the front. I'd say my only critique of these scooters is the insane amount of torque/power in dual motor mode (I'm a light guy, although I could put it in the lowest torque setting), the lack of front blinker/bright headlights, soft metals for bolts (they could potentially strip easily) and lack of customization for the RGB lights on the side. I mostly ride it in gear 3 in single motor mode because of the torque/power. As someone with no prior experience with PEVs, mopeds, motorcycles, etc. whos been riding for a month so far, i found it to be a surprisingly sturdy and stable ride. I have no problem being in traffic because I already have a drivers license too.
I'm happy you enjoyed this video! Electric scooters are great veichles and especially when you have one that really suits your needs. Most people don't know about their advantages untill they have bought one themselfes. About the front light I wouldn't say that it's super bright but it definitely works for me and I haven't noticed any problems with the bolts and nuts. I also yesterday did a maintenance check after driving it for 1000+ km where I partly checked every screw, nut and bolt and they were in good condition overall. Some of them were slightly loose but definitely not to an alarming rate
Hi You can try using a small screwdriver to loosen the two screws under the brake handles on both sides, and slowly push back and forth until the instrument panel does not display an EABS error. Just tighten the two screws again.
Thanks for the great review, lots of work but we learn a lot. 9:00 you mention using dual motors to wear them evenly - don't worry there, these are brushless motors and the only wear point is the bearings on each side of each wheel which will wear whether you are using the motor or not. Only use single motor unless there is a reason for dual as it will increase your range.
I'm happy you like the review! What you say I mostly agree with but I still think that if you only use it with the rear motor for let's say a year then eventually there will be a slight difference in the state of the motors when switching to dual motor again. When my friend once tested it for a bit then he only used rear motor and didn't go that fast for a long time but still I could feel that the rear motor got quite a lot warmer than usually. For this reason I still belive that it's better having dual motor in the long run. Other than that the tires can also wear out a little different depending if you have single/dual motor. Especially if you drive a lot in something like gravel or dirt then sometimes the rear wheel will spin more than it accelerates and this will cause more wear to it compared to the front tire which won't be doing this. Therefore I would still recommend using dual motors in the long run but ofcourse you should concider using single motor if you need that extra range. And personally I don't like it's performance so much in single motor and this is definitely noticable when going uphill
@@mandrow5055 All that you said is correct. The motor will get hot when in use however I have not seen data on how that affects the life of the motor. A quick net search found that a brushless motor will last 'tens of thousands of hours' so I would think the scooter itself will be ready to be replaced before a motor will need replacing. And given that there isn't any special cooling designed into the motors is a good indication the mfgr's do not expect the heat to affect the motors life. Also, using dual will typically feel better than single, just like in cars, but that comes at a sacrifice in mileage. It would be helpful to know what the mileage difference is in dual vs single motor use, and of course that has been done resulting in about 8% better fuel economy - ruclips.net/video/_c9bwQQNY9U/видео.html. And yes tires will wear quicker when used but overall the two tires should wear 'total' at the same rate in either mode. Thanks for your thoughts and taking the time.
@@dhenschel4 I actually also want to do a comparison between the range in single/dual mode both when using turbo and eco mode. But to do this I would need to drive the same route and have the same weather conditions which is a little harder now that it soon is fall but if I have the chance the I will try to do this and tell the results in a future follow-up video!
@@mandrow5055It would be great if you could do the comparison however a lot of people have already done it so not sure if it is worth the time. The video I linked he tried to replicate the weather, but the way he was driving (single motor) I don't think was great for improving mileage (weaving side to side on trails, driving on the rough part of the trail) so not sure if the comparison was apples to apples between a previous dual motor ride but he tried.
I just got my t88 yesterday it is a hell of a scooter big upgrade form Iscooter ix3 pos lol Thanks for letting me know about the folding handlebars i didn't know about that or the usb port under the speedo and the ipx4 rating didn't know that ether not sure why the people who made the scooter tell u things like that in the manual but oo well Just wanted to say thanks for the GREAT Video
This scooter looks 98% as mine, only difference is the attachment of handlebar and it came with a seat...and the cost was around $1100. Also P8 is a GREAT feature if you are scared of highspeeds or f.ex have a GF whom wants try out the scooter first time(Safety First!)... set it down to 38-50% and the scooter won't go fast on you in Turbomode. Try it out! Anyways really great video! :)
+ Blue lights, not Red like yours. Not good at all for night driving, but surely there are accessories for some bright led lights which can really illuminate your path.
Yea there are many e-scooters which have the same design as this one. I have also tried changing the P8 and it's good that you can have this limit to it's top speed!
@@mandrow5055 It's the headlighs with a blue shine. Yes, the do not illuminate much light for your path... only a very narrow area. Really not good for nightdriving as there are lights that are way more better... but sure, you can change them tho :)
Yea that's sad because the shipping is mostly only supported in Europe. I was also looking at Solar Scooters before I got the Duotts. They definitely have great scooters so you won't be disapointed with the EQ which also has a good price!
There are other brands of this scooter, all based upon the nanrobot. Only variation in lights, suspension, tires. Price varies drastically so watch out.
@@Normydoit Yes this scooter still works the same as when it was new and has 3400km on it. I have just made some small personal customization and the only thing that has changed slightly is that the front tire loses air slightly but it takes about one week before it is noticable
I know it's hard to find high slopes , but the only thing that i would realy like to see is, 12 to 23% slopes (on road) or higher to realy see the power of it ,cuz where i live, we have very big slopes and carrying a machine like that is not fun... overall it was a great video ! thx for all informations !
By screwing on the screw on the bottom of the spring which handles the folding I have made so that it's pretty solid with just a tiny bit of play. You can also tighten the screw even more which would remove the play completely, but then you can fold the scooter
You do a lot of street driving ditch the nobby tires because those throw the bounce of the scooter off in that front bag and I took mine off because usually it jiggle around throws it center balance off somewhat
For me it has been fine using the offroad tires on the street. They have and will get flatter over time which makes them more like street tires. I also like the way they sound and when it's wet they handle it better than street tires and ofcourse they are better as soon as you drive on something else than asphalt
Wrong informations ! First connect charger to wall socket, later to scooter - becose capacitors in charger needs pre charg before connect scooter (big voltage difference and sparking). Second mistake - long time storage not with full charged batterry!! Correct batterry level to storage is 50-60%
I have this scooter and its giving me hell.I bought it from someone who rode it 80 miles wrecked and was scared of it.but he destroyed the display shorted out the wires from the display to the controller.I ordered a new display tried replacing all the melted wires but said to hell with it and I'm running a twitch to the lights I took those goofy blinkers off anyway plus I can turn on just my halos.does urs give u the option to turn on just the halos?MINE didn't .plus those cop lights had to go.I soldered a jumper on them amd now they stay blue.if u solder a jumper u can pick what color u want and they will stay there.I've seen guys on here say u have to replace them or don't use them at all BC they can't be modified to stay one color.yes they can.
Oh that's really interesting! I don't have the option to turn on just just the halos but please tell me a little more about how to change the side LED lights to one colour!
I'm doing great! This scooter is good for commuting because of it's range and speed. But it's insane acceleration can be a little challenging to control sometimes but luckely it's good to have the ECO mode. Another thing that can be a little annoying during commuting is that it is heavy (45 kg's) so therefore you can only lift it for a few seconds. I haven't tried any Kugoo scooter but earlier I had a scooter called Youpin Q02 and it was quite alike the Kugoo M4 and I can say that that scooter could do a little offroading but definitely not being as comfortable for offroading compared to the Duotts D88
Right now the scooter has 2350 km and the only bigger problem I have faced was that the right turn signal got loose from it's screw which is used to hold it into placed when you have tighten it with the bolt. Luckily it was quite easy to fix by using some force to get it back onto the screw and then using superglue and it has been holding well since then. When it has 3000 km I will do a second maintenance check and after that I am planning to release another follow up video where I will talk about how it has been in the longer run and what I have done to it so don't miss that!
No I haven't noticed any problems and I have seen other scooters having this feature and I haven't heard anything about the fact that the usb is for updates
The forks are very heavy, they feel very solid and when you drag your nails on them it makes a squeaky/clicky sound so I would say that they are made of steel
@mandrow5055 thank you for the reply. I'm actually a welder and thinking of doing a custom fork addition but I can't weld to aluminum. One way I usually check is I get a 🧲 magnet, if it sticks it's steel, if it doesn't it's aluminum 👍
@@rossvalenzuela4753 Good tip! I just checked with a magnet and it doesn't stick so then I assume it's aluminium but it's definitely a strong aluminium
It is what it is due to it's 11 inch tires but I would say that it's quite impresive even though it has these small wheels/tires. It's also super nice to have the offroad texture on the tires!
@mandrow5055 bro. I try not to sound pompous. I just built my own footscooter prototype. 40kw . It is future proof. It can take any size or with wheels/ tires. 10in -14in . It can be made into any size . Tall, short ,long, compact, It can take all sizes of battery pack up to 28s 22p . It can have any front rake you want . I have 900 phase amps. if it was just the 40kw? I would not have said anything.
9 days later from the time of this video's publishment I can finally let you know how the range is if you only are using ECO mode and dual motor. The conditions during my testing of the ECO mode were about the same as the conditions I had when I tested it's range in turbo mode so if you havn't seen that part then go to 5:16 in the video before continuing reading this! I am happy to tell you that the maximum range I got in ECO mode was an unbelievable 125 km or 77.6 mi. In the video I talked about an expectable 100 km or 62.1 mi in ECO mode which is the maximum stated range by the company, but this scooter greatly exceded that number which is awesome!! There can't be many scooters out there having better value for the money when it comes to the range compared to the Duotts D88!!
If you use single mode it causes drag . A good amount of drag . It your motor controller has push assistance? It helps but not much . The final word it keep it in dual motor mode for efficiency. Look up ginger on wheels
Nowhere to buy this model.
@@tomix1970pl1 I don't know any other place to buy it than on duotts.com
I love how in depth yhis review is! You explain everyting very well!
Thank you so much! It really means a lot!
Thank you for this excellent video! You've helped us a lot! We really loved your unboxing video too! You're very intelligent and well spoken!
Thank you so much! You made me so happy! And your words really means a lot to me!
Very detailed and well made video! I appreciate it! It helped illuminate a lot about these scooters. I got a very similar model of scooter you have (tifgalop t88 plus), from a different brand and it so far rides amazingly and I got up to 40mph easily without any speed wobbles. The stock headlights are the same as yours, and I found personally they weren't bright enough for street riding at night and doesn't come with a front blinker, so I ended up getting aftermarket headlight/signal for the front.
I'd say my only critique of these scooters is the insane amount of torque/power in dual motor mode (I'm a light guy, although I could put it in the lowest torque setting), the lack of front blinker/bright headlights, soft metals for bolts (they could potentially strip easily) and lack of customization for the RGB lights on the side. I mostly ride it in gear 3 in single motor mode because of the torque/power. As someone with no prior experience with PEVs, mopeds, motorcycles, etc. whos been riding for a month so far, i found it to be a surprisingly sturdy and stable ride. I have no problem being in traffic because I already have a drivers license too.
I'm happy you enjoyed this video! Electric scooters are great veichles and especially when you have one that really suits your needs. Most people don't know about their advantages untill they have bought one themselfes. About the front light I wouldn't say that it's super bright but it definitely works for me and I haven't noticed any problems with the bolts and nuts. I also yesterday did a maintenance check after driving it for 1000+ km where I partly checked every screw, nut and bolt and they were in good condition overall. Some of them were slightly loose but definitely not to an alarming rate
Hi You can try using a small screwdriver to loosen the two screws under the brake handles on both sides, and slowly push back and forth until the instrument panel does not display an EABS error. Just tighten the two screws again.
Thank's for the sub and the tip!
Let us know how u fix your problems if you can fix them
I ride mine in turbo all the time, the scooters great fun, I'm 59 and it's a little errand runner getting to know all the back RDS in my area.
after 3 months, how is scooter performing? Should i buy one?
Super cool!
Hey nice to meet you, thank you for sharing!
You should unplug the brake sensor if you want to train wheelies
Good tip! Though I will only try that if I notice that it's really important
Regenerative braking only works when the scooter is in dual mode. It will not engage in eco or single mode.
Good to know
Thanks for the great review, lots of work but we learn a lot. 9:00 you mention using dual motors to wear them evenly - don't worry there, these are brushless motors and the only wear point is the bearings on each side of each wheel which will wear whether you are using the motor or not. Only use single motor unless there is a reason for dual as it will increase your range.
I'm happy you like the review! What you say I mostly agree with but I still think that if you only use it with the rear motor for let's say a year then eventually there will be a slight difference in the state of the motors when switching to dual motor again. When my friend once tested it for a bit then he only used rear motor and didn't go that fast for a long time but still I could feel that the rear motor got quite a lot warmer than usually. For this reason I still belive that it's better having dual motor in the long run. Other than that the tires can also wear out a little different depending if you have single/dual motor. Especially if you drive a lot in something like gravel or dirt then sometimes the rear wheel will spin more than it accelerates and this will cause more wear to it compared to the front tire which won't be doing this. Therefore I would still recommend using dual motors in the long run but ofcourse you should concider using single motor if you need that extra range. And personally I don't like it's performance so much in single motor and this is definitely noticable when going uphill
@@mandrow5055 All that you said is correct. The motor will get hot when in use however I have not seen data on how that affects the life of the motor. A quick net search found that a brushless motor will last 'tens of thousands of hours' so I would think the scooter itself will be ready to be replaced before a motor will need replacing. And given that there isn't any special cooling designed into the motors is a good indication the mfgr's do not expect the heat to affect the motors life. Also, using dual will typically feel better than single, just like in cars, but that comes at a sacrifice in mileage. It would be helpful to know what the mileage difference is in dual vs single motor use, and of course that has been done resulting in about 8% better fuel economy - ruclips.net/video/_c9bwQQNY9U/видео.html. And yes tires will wear quicker when used but overall the two tires should wear 'total' at the same rate in either mode. Thanks for your thoughts and taking the time.
@@dhenschel4 I actually also want to do a comparison between the range in single/dual mode both when using turbo and eco mode. But to do this I would need to drive the same route and have the same weather conditions which is a little harder now that it soon is fall but if I have the chance the I will try to do this and tell the results in a future follow-up video!
@@mandrow5055It would be great if you could do the comparison however a lot of people have already done it so not sure if it is worth the time. The video I linked he tried to replicate the weather, but the way he was driving (single motor) I don't think was great for improving mileage (weaving side to side on trails, driving on the rough part of the trail) so not sure if the comparison was apples to apples between a previous dual motor ride but he tried.
I just got my t88 yesterday it is a hell of a scooter big upgrade form Iscooter ix3 pos lol Thanks for letting me know about the folding handlebars i didn't know about that or the usb port under the speedo and the ipx4 rating didn't know that ether not sure why the people who made the scooter tell u things like that in the manual but oo well Just wanted to say thanks for the GREAT Video
Hello, been looking for this kind of review of this scooter, great job! Thks.
This scooter looks 98% as mine, only difference is the attachment of handlebar and it came with a seat...and the cost was around $1100. Also P8 is a GREAT feature if you are scared of highspeeds or f.ex have a GF whom wants try out the scooter first time(Safety First!)... set it down to 38-50% and the scooter won't go fast on you in Turbomode. Try it out! Anyways really great video! :)
+ Blue lights, not Red like yours. Not good at all for night driving, but surely there are accessories for some bright led lights which can really illuminate your path.
Yea there are many e-scooters which have the same design as this one. I have also tried changing the P8 and it's good that you can have this limit to it's top speed!
@@Mads-hl8xj What part of your scooter do you mean have blue lights? And is it those lights which you mean are bad for night driving?
@@mandrow5055 It's the headlighs with a blue shine. Yes, the do not illuminate much light for your path... only a very narrow area. Really not good for nightdriving as there are lights that are way more better... but sure, you can change them tho :)
where did you bought your scooter? how is scooter performing? Should i buy one?
I bough one also. Seeing forward to see more from you. Fellow Swede here.
Nämen tjenare sounds great!
FÅR JAG FRÅGA VILKEN DEL AV SVERIGE? SJÄLV BEFINNER JAG MIG I HALLAND@@mandrow5055
how is scooter performing? Should i buy one?
I like to see ur next video doing off road test with it
Good input!
GG! For the review Bro!!!!! Cheers. 👍🏻
I have had my Chinese knock off version which is almost identical to the Duotts D88. I have a 5600 watt 60 v 28 mA "Bikeydom" QO6 Pro.
yes if you take that stem off and put one which is over the top of the stem and it will be more balanced with the front wheel when your offroading
Great tip!
Tanks for the review and for the efforts it was amazing
thank u for review!! definetely a great scooter for the price =)
Can't be shipped to USA, unfortunately 😢 decent price for what you get too, damn! I ordered the Solar EQ for $1325 US, my first escooter.
Yea that's sad because the shipping is mostly only supported in Europe. I was also looking at Solar Scooters before I got the Duotts. They definitely have great scooters so you won't be disapointed with the EQ which also has a good price!
There are other brands of this scooter, all based upon the nanrobot. Only variation in lights, suspension, tires. Price varies drastically so watch out.
Great video good job ive got the t88 plus and i love it
Yoooooooooo! How did I not know about the USB port!!!! Whatttt
Is this scooter still alive? And what changes have you made and are there any problems?
@@Normydoit Yes this scooter still works the same as when it was new and has 3400km on it. I have just made some small personal customization and the only thing that has changed slightly is that the front tire loses air slightly but it takes about one week before it is noticable
I know it's hard to find high slopes , but the only thing that i would realy like to see is, 12 to 23% slopes (on road) or higher to realy see the power of it ,cuz where i live, we have very big slopes and carrying a machine like that is not fun... overall it was a great video ! thx for all informations !
I'm glad you liked the video! We do have some slopes so for sure I can test that in the next follow up video!
It is supposed to be able to climb a 50° inclimb
@@kimkaneld14 Yea that's correct
Could remove the folding handlebars at the stem clamp,put some Renthal bar, load's options available
I'm not sure if I understand this
Hello, did the folding system get loosen or it got any play? Like its solid or it got a little play ?
By screwing on the screw on the bottom of the spring which handles the folding I have made so that it's pretty solid with just a tiny bit of play. You can also tighten the screw even more which would remove the play completely, but then you can fold the scooter
You do a lot of street driving ditch the nobby tires because those throw the bounce of the scooter off in that front bag and I took mine off because usually it jiggle around throws it center balance off somewhat
For me it has been fine using the offroad tires on the street. They have and will get flatter over time which makes them more like street tires. I also like the way they sound and when it's wet they handle it better than street tires and ofcourse they are better as soon as you drive on something else than asphalt
Is it possible to change led colors? Or turn them off? I am thinking of buying it
@@ninomandic3750 Not that I know sorry
I would like to change the color LEDs to one solid color or turn off any way to do that?
I have also tried doing this but sadly I haven't found any good ways to do it yet
Wrong informations !
First connect charger to wall socket, later to scooter - becose capacitors in charger needs pre charg before connect scooter (big voltage difference and sparking).
Second mistake - long time storage not with full charged batterry!! Correct batterry level to storage is 50-60%
But it doesn't say like that in the manual and on the charger itself it says that it first should be conected to the scooter
I have this scooter and its giving me hell.I bought it from someone who rode it 80 miles wrecked and was scared of it.but he destroyed the display shorted out the wires from the display to the controller.I ordered a new display tried replacing all the melted wires but said to hell with it and I'm running a twitch to the lights I took those goofy blinkers off anyway plus I can turn on just my halos.does urs give u the option to turn on just the halos?MINE didn't .plus those cop lights had to go.I soldered a jumper on them amd now they stay blue.if u solder a jumper u can pick what color u want and they will stay there.I've seen guys on here say u have to replace them or don't use them at all BC they can't be modified to stay one color.yes they can.
Oh that's really interesting! I don't have the option to turn on just just the halos but please tell me a little more about how to change the side LED lights to one colour!
Howaye doing mandrow this would be great for a commuter ? Have you tested also kugo g4 off road scooter ?
I'm doing great! This scooter is good for commuting because of it's range and speed. But it's insane acceleration can be a little challenging to control sometimes but luckely it's good to have the ECO mode. Another thing that can be a little annoying during commuting is that it is heavy (45 kg's) so therefore you can only lift it for a few seconds. I haven't tried any Kugoo scooter but earlier I had a scooter called Youpin Q02 and it was quite alike the Kugoo M4 and I can say that that scooter could do a little offroading but definitely not being as comfortable for offroading compared to the Duotts D88
Why do they keep rebranding this scooter? Now its called tigfolo t88 plus
Yea I have seen sooo many similar to this one, very wierd
How's the scooter? How many km and any problems?
Right now the scooter has 2350 km and the only bigger problem I have faced was that the right turn signal got loose from it's screw which is used to hold it into placed when you have tighten it with the bolt. Luckily it was quite easy to fix by using some force to get it back onto the screw and then using superglue and it has been holding well since then. When it has 3000 km I will do a second maintenance check and after that I am planning to release another follow up video where I will talk about how it has been in the longer run and what I have done to it so don't miss that!
So fast I like to have one,the one am using is xiaomi scooter and vivo s4 sport.
hav u tried the widewheel yet ?
Nope
Display usb for updates not for charging??,can damage controller?
No I haven't noticed any problems and I have seen other scooters having this feature and I haven't heard anything about the fact that the usb is for updates
Is the scooter allowed in Germany?
Pls write in English
Have you had any problems with it?
Overall I wouldn't say so, only smaller aspects that I could fix easily
Are the forks make of steel or aluminum?
The forks are very heavy, they feel very solid and when you drag your nails on them it makes a squeaky/clicky sound so I would say that they are made of steel
@mandrow5055 thank you for the reply. I'm actually a welder and thinking of doing a custom fork addition but I can't weld to aluminum. One way I usually check is I get a 🧲 magnet, if it sticks it's steel, if it doesn't it's aluminum 👍
@@rossvalenzuela4753 Good tip! I just checked with a magnet and it doesn't stick so then I assume it's aluminium but it's definitely a strong aluminium
Thanks for this video. 👍
❤ Portugal porto gaia ❤️
Can be limited electronic(soft) or by controller to 25km/h?
I have not seen any other way you can limit it to 25 km/h except using ECO mode
@@mandrow5055 cannot be mounted a limiter?i sow something on banggood.
Why want you to limit speed
do yu have a solercharger ?
At home we have solar panels on our roof so that energy does go to our electronics
wut iz that in meters per second ?
The maximum speed I have reached with it is slightly over 21m/s
Wow when went off road,so so funny,this scooter definitely no good off road..
It is what it is due to it's 11 inch tires but I would say that it's quite impresive even though it has these small wheels/tires. It's also super nice to have the offroad texture on the tires!
How tall are you in feet?
That would be 5 feet and 10.8 inches
I want to like it ,but ... lacking so much !
What is it lacking in your opinion?
@mandrow5055 bro. I try not to sound pompous. I just built my own footscooter prototype. 40kw . It is future proof. It can take any size or with wheels/ tires. 10in -14in . It can be made into any size . Tall, short ,long, compact, It can take all sizes of battery pack up to 28s 22p . It can have any front rake you want . I have 900 phase amps. if it was just the 40kw? I would not have said anything.
@@Vmaxfodder Damn that's super cool!
Its not healthy for the battery to be fully drained.
Exactly but this is mostly if you have it drained for a longer period, not if it's drained for a few hours
we have very identical electric scooter but different brand😂😂😂
mine is Raze Taurus Max
Yes there are many "twin" e-scooters to the Duotts
@@mandrow5055 I thought the primary scooter to this line is the Nanrobot?
@@dhenschel4 You are probably right! I just meant that the Duotts is one of many e-scooters having this design