Is our boat beyond repair??? | Step 344
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2024
- Our boat is falling apart... And it came to a point where we are wondering if this is the end of Uma's life and if sailing to Sardinia was her last sail!
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The only thing worse than quitting too soon is hanging on too long. Wisdom is in knowing the difference.
Wow ... y'all nailed it. Such is life ... :)
It reminds me of the great Mark Twain ...
Came to say what Ron says 👆👆👆, basically. "Throwing good money after bad" blah blah. Having followed you two forever, and seriously admired your workmanship and "get 'er done" etc. - and I know you love this Uma with all your hearts and souls. But it's important to know when to say "when". Wishing you fair winds on a good decision...
Very sage advice!
Exactly. The problem is, if they were to go on with this insane renovation, and then half ways it turns out that there are even more problems and structurally the ship is irreparable, then they already spent a smaller fortune onto it and the boat would still not be able to withstand bluewater conditions. Then they would need another ship, probably not a brand new one, so they would need to put a lot of money into Uma 2.0 too.
I would suggest to sell Uma 1.0 in the Mediterranean area, a beautiful place to spend its retirement years. And then pour all their hearts and of course money into Uma 2.0.
Personally i like the Sailing Uma channel because they go into the details in a not overwhelming but technical enough way. Of course the Journey itself is also exquisite, not many sail so far north, i pretty much enjoyed the The Crinan Canal episode. It was lovely. But maybe a new boat would give some new momentum for their channel. If they were to find a boat that could be sailed right away, then the new boat projects could be done in manageable smaller steps.
Typical attitudes, just throw out everything old and buy new right. All hail consumerism at its peak.
Dan & Kika; My wife and I were just discussing you and your boat over dinner, and then I watched this video. For ages now we've been so impressed with how you've resisted the temptation to move away from "Right-size" to "too big". Background - we purchased our 1967 Ohlson 41, Phoenix, 45 years ago, spent a year resurrecting her from rot and rust (steel hull), then sailing her 5 years and 30,000 miles, to Europe, Scandinavia, Africa, S. America, and eventually home to San Francisco. We then sold her... and 35 years later (after kids and eventual retirement) we bought her back, spent another couple of years resurrecting her (again) and took off for Mexico. We've now returned... but we have some credentials, a love for older monohull sailboats, and simple systems. In years of sailing and buddy-boating with all manner of craft we've always been the boat where everything works. For our initial voyage we had a very well insulated ice box, and we were without cold beer for a total of two weeks in 5 years (it held ice for a month). On our first passage, upon arriving in the Azores, we were the only one of 30 sailboats who arrived with working refrigeration. We recently re-installed a Kerosene stove, which I love and will simply never fail. We aren't the Pardy's... we have a Perkins 4-108 diesel and we use it (though I'd love to go electric), and we now have a multi-function nav system with AIS and radar.
My point in all this long-winded prolog is, I believe much of the appeal of your channel is the fact that you've kept it small and simple, and that single aspect has allowed you the freedom to do more and go farther than many others, and to do so in a way that I think is somewhat easier to relate to than the "Floating Real World" emote to the camera style channel. It sounds like you'll probably need to move on from Uma, but I hope whatever you end up with, it will be at least her spiritual descendant. Given your background, talents, and proclivity toward unique interior features and electric power, your best move may be to secure a very sound, but faded, boat, and spend some quality time turning her into the electric power masterpiece which you deserve. I, at least for one, would love to watch the episodes chronicling that project.
well said
wow this is like a whole story. just make it on point and get to the point I'm sure you will get the message across 😂😂😂 I read the whole thing anyway. cheers
Amen Brother Sailor
That said, I was horrified at the minor issue with the hull in front of the keel after the atlantic crossing. If I'm honest, I was horrified at the repair in that temperature (near freezing if I recall correctly). And then Uma sailed along the Norwegian coast, spent the winter i Tromsø and then even sailed all the way to Svalbard and back to the Med! Makes part of me just want to depart i my 80's 27 footer and sail the Norwegian coast and part of me understand I need something less tired in its construction in those waters. I think You guys deserve a safe hull.
Keep the same spirit with the boat they means. I understand the consideration of another (better shape) boat but keep the head core “koop geen zetel” as in dutch 💪😊
@Maria CANCER so what's your channel? Where are you right now?
A new boat is a wise business decision on every level: for your safety, for adventure, and for growing your channel. We’re onboard, as much as we love Uma. Stretch into this new phase, we’re all ready for Stepping Up 1.
Well, I for one don't care for channels of people cruising around in 500k+$ boats, I can't relate to that, so will stop watching.
Although I can understand doing that when there is enough money for it, would maybe even do that myself in that situation.
@@Clayne151 you should watch the channel from the beginning, they started straight out of college on a total shoe string.
@@beatdizzy Your point being?
@@Clayne151 it's not a 500k boat. They bought it in a scrap yard and did thousands of hours themselves while working.
Please read again..I'm not talking about the current boat.
Dan & Kika - It's time to find a new home for UMA, with someone that wants to do some light day sailing with a ship that has beautiful stories. It time to let here live out her days with a little less stress on her. Don't feel bad, UMA "1.0" will make someone very happy and UMA "2.0" (another fixer upper with different issues to tackle) will take both of you (and us) on the rest of the journey.- we can't wait to watch.
Ah I vote for an upgrade. You’ve earned it! Time for Uma II!
Love this comment. I vote Uma 2 too
I think it is a dead horse ! Why don’t you get a Hans Christian or a Tayana that is designed for blue water sailing?? 😊
@@haroldchilton7229 It's sad because they customized virtually everything on that boat to their needs and the only thing keeping her from being seaworthy again is that one major repair and the attendant maintenance to go with it.
I vote for Uma two, too, to be sure! 😉☘️
With everything both of you have learned since you started this adventure, find a blue water sailboat with good bones. I can hardly wait to see what you can do with that!
I really think you're answering all your own questions. Honestly, I think you both know it's time for a new boat, one that it far better suited for the type of sailing you do. Uma was old when you bought her and she has performed admirably considering she is a coastal cruiser. She has taken you such an adventure and allowed you to create so many memories so I understand the dilemma you face. Despite the emotional attachment, the reality is that she has reached the end of this part of your journey, Uma II will take you onwards. Best wishes to you both from the UK.
Agreed!
**new. sorry
Yup, unfortunately it's time to bite the bullet and get another boat, good pre-owned or brand new, ya need to face it. Throwing good money after bad is never a pleasant reality but you already know it's time to move on and start looking for a new Uma II
Sounds like it’s time to call it. Time for a true blue water boat. You guys deserve it. Rock on👍✌️
Agree. I think Uma and it's owners have proved all that's going to be proved with this boat.
That's the conclusion that came to my mind... All of that effort into a boat which *still* isn't really designed for what you want the boat to do. Time to find a better blue water cruiser and invest into a more future-proof boat.
As long as that doesn't make Kika and Dan a couple of glam sailors like so many other sailing channels on youtube that do it more for flex than authenticity.
agree. La Vagabonde getting a new trimarine, Gone with the Wynns getting a new boat. It's in the air guys. Just get a new one... besides I have see all the construction and destruction I really want to watch. I want more sailing and sunsets. "from my couch!"
go get an amel. you would use it more then any other channel.
In my mind "Sailing Uma" is not about a boat, even a boat named Uma. It is a tale of two people who choose to live an adventure and who are sharing that adventure with all who love listening. Please do not be afraid that the sprit of Sailing Uma will not live if transfers to another vehicle. That spirit will live as long as Dan and Kika carry it.
There´s no way to say it in a better!
I am going through Uma withdrawal! Whatever you do next, I'm hooked!
This boat is immortalized in 344 RUclips productions, not only in the minds of Dan and Kika, but in that of nearly a half million subscribers. Even without one more episode, that is a legacy that will persist for generations. Certainly putting Uma in a situation with the possibility of catastrophic structural failure hundreds of miles from shore is not a noble end. I am sure there is another boat that could benefit from the experience and skills Dan and Kika acquired on Uma. After all, they now have the skill set that they needed when they first acquired Uma. What a starting point for the next phase!
well said Bob
Uma is not just a boat, she is a character in a long running story that I will be sad to see go. Maybe I am the minority but what I loved most about this channel was the loving care and devotion you two gave Uma and each other. When you are working on and improving Uma is when your videos bring me the most joy.
I get that, it’s what I loved about the original La Vagabonde but sometimes you can fix it.
but think about all the projects we get to see on UMA II
I do really enjoy seeing the care and work they have put into this old boat
@@longfellowhouse6594 I'm afraid they will lose the spirit of this channel if they switch boats. There was a totally different vibe with Atticus II for instance when Jordan and Desiree got their newer big boat. It's so much like a luxury cruiser now and of course they have a baby so that makes sense but I don't see Dan and Kika doing that right away but who knows, babies have a way of just happening, lol.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 I actually think a baby is being factored into the next boat choice. If the next boat is projected to have a operating life of 10 years. Definitely a child is being thought of before 10 years out.
This next boat needs many comforts, to cocoon a family and do it safely as can be in the open ocean.
I’m ready for the natural changes and challenges of family on the high seas.
You have had years making memories, years of learning experiences. You now have a 50 year old boat with thousands of dollars of repairs needed and it still technically wont be the blue water boat that seems would meet your needs. It seems it might be time to make a final salute to Uma. Hold your glass high and a final cheers to her, turn and offer a cheers to your next sailing endeavor. Being on our 4th boat we know all about decisions and change.
One of the most valuable lessons I learned in life is when not to throw good money after bad and just take the write down. It think everybody faces a decision like that at least once. They key to the decision has nothing to do with the boat, it's really about your future. If you want to prolong this part of your life and take Sailing Uma to the next level, you are going to need a blue water boat. On the other hand, you two may have wrung all the experience out of the adventure there is to get, and are ready to move onto a new phase (film production? Family?).
It's not about the boat...
As a retired architect,I loved your making of Uma, and you two did as well. The channel loves watching your work. However, I think if you start a new project, start with one more structurally sound to start and put your efforts into customizing Uma II. Can’t wait to watch.
Duas.. Is Portuguese for two (uma is 1 in Portuguese).
April 2023- we need an update from you - worrisome to go so long without hearing from you….. miss you.
From the tone of this video, and the fact you made it at all, i think you have already made your decision. I think it's the right one. I don't expect you to want to sail this hull for the rest of your lives (thinking about kids etc), so this is probably the best moment to switch you'll ever gonna get. Looking forward to the next few months of video's! It's going to be interesting :) Besides, Uma is an ideaology, not a physical object, right?
Indeed. As Jack Sparrow already said: A hull, and masts and sails is not what a boat ìs. It is what a boat needs. A Boat is the idea of freedom, the idea of sailing behind the horizon.
Maybe this means its time to expand, maybe a bigger boat, maybe with a crew, maybe for a big purpose.
I can't wait until we see a little Dan Jr or baby Kika.
Sell it and upgrade, it’s a no brainer.
@@swiMClub7 If you want to see that, take a look at Project Brupeg
Imagine Uma's surprise when y'all bought her and fixed everything that you did, and took her to all the places that you've been. Quite amazing. I'm excited to see either way, but am kinda hopeful to see a new boat!
I think they proved that having a shiny new boat is less important than the ingenuity and grit that you bring onboard. If they can find a place to fix Uma I think they should go for it. It would make for tons of content and they would increase their skillset even more.
I think UMA needs a new piece between the front and the rear licence plates so to speak..
You guys made many exciting adventures with this 50yr old boat and gave her a new lease on life years ago . Time to sell her as is and use the proceeds as a down payment on a new or newer floating house worldwide traveling device… (my ,not asked for, opinion of course)
The time you spend fixing her up will directly be deducted of your (limited) adventure sailing time if you like it or not, and you still going to end up with a (perhaps more healthier) 50+ yrs old boat… I compare it with a car,not too many 50+ yrs old cars travel around the world , (they perhaps could ), but would never end up somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic or Pacific Ocean . Safety and reliability are most important in your case. 10 yrs from now would you like to be traveling in a 10 or 60 yr old boat? Decisions decisions decisions…life is full of it… Good Luck you both !…my 10 cents (use to be 5 cents yrs ago) worth !!..
We are currently in Aktio Marina in Greece, you can do all your work here yourself if you choose to. The chandleries in the areas are good and everything you need is available here. Originally we also wanted to winter in Italy but faced the same dilemma as you guys when it came to building our own hardtop. If you decide to keep going with your boat you can always make an inquiry here. Good luck with everything!
And that is the question for most boats. When do you "call it". I remember Jordan and Desiree's hard decision. I am sure you all have a lot of other factors playing into your decisions as well, budget, life/sailing goals and dreams, and only you can decide whether Uma is the right boat for that. Yes she is a light-ish production boat, but she is fast, has excellent sailing characteristics and you know her well. She has been a wonderful platform to try all the things you all have done (thinking of the electrics for one). I expect you all are familiar with Sailing Magic Carpet, have you seen The Duracell Project (holy fiberglass batman), both huge refit projects, how much time do you all want to spend in the yard? Alternately, even a lovely blue water cruiser is going to require a bunch of work. I understand that Croatia may be more friendly to DIY-ers. I have a 1959 wood yawl, but I don't live on her, and she will not cross oceans again under my watch. Good luck.
Jordan and Desiree's decision was made for them as I recall (or maybe they played it up a bit to make me think that), and they had the plan to start a family so they didn't hesitate for very long.
❤
That "hard decision" probably had more to do with the fact that they somehow went from sailing on a budget to being able to drop loads of money on a boat and equipment.
The Duracell Project worries me. That vessel was never designed for the task that her new🎉 owners are expecting her to unreservedly deliver. I wish them well and hope that everything works out for them.
@@Davidcallard Duracell project?
Sounds like it's time for a new boat guys!! Nothing wrong with upgrading. When your car gets too old and problematic , you trade it in for a new one, no matter how many memories you've made in it. Also new boat means you guys can get right back to what you love doing.. SAILING! 😊
Hi guys! I’m from Sardinia and I’m a professional captain in the yacht industry and I’ve been working in Olbia for years. I know pretty much all the shipyard there and I know how the area works and I have only one things to say: don’t do it in Olbia!! You right, they very good and the area is well organized, but absolutely is not a place we’re you can do it by yourself. The area is expansive for living. If You take the decision to do it on UMA a good option could be going down to Tunisia, in Monastir area. Price are better in any aspect. Another place could be in Greece, in Preveza, Ionian area (actually me and my girlfriend are keeping our sailboat there). The final decision of course is yours……if I was You I will go for a new boat. If May take the decision to go for another boat, again, take a look of the Preveza area in Greece. There are 3 shipyard on the same spot were there are 1000 boats available. You don’t know me and my voice could be lost in the moltitudine of comments you guy receive every day. Anyway, if wanna ask more infos I will be more than happy to helps you. Good luck and keep going on!
I thought the same thing ⬆
Captain Q can find you two a classic. A real bluewater classic.❤
Everything has a time limit, A time to save and a time to spend, A time to listen and a time to speak, etc etc. I think after 50 years and a very full life, Uma has earned her time to retire and let another bigger boat take ye to another level in terms of sailing adventures. Tula, Ruby Rose, The Wynnes, La Vagabond are all upgrading to newer bigger boats rather than patch & repair. I also know that ye have the capacity to renovate Uma to the right standard and I'd love to see that build like Matt & Jesica are doing and possibly what Beau & Brandy should also do. It's a tough decision, far beyond my pay grade, I wish ye luck with that!! Stay Safe & Fair Winds!!!!
Ecclesiastics 3. For every thing, there is a season...
They are upgrading for more space, more speed etc. not because of a major repair being needed. First define your Objective.
Love Uma and she's a star in your show, but THE stars of the show are the two of you. Uma will have a nice long life as a regional/coastal cruiser for someone who will sail her gently. You two need a ship that will carry you through your aspirations for many more adventures to come.
Exactly my thoughts
Actually, the trend is back to smaller, as maybe most signified by even a yard like Bestevaer going for 35 foot. The smallest they built so far was a 45, wth the standards being 49s and 52s. Additionally La Vagabond have a few more viewers with the stuff that brought, like income and a great financing deal for Vagabond II, which in turn allowed to turn Vagabond II in a charter, which allows ...
... "bigger boats" aren't necessarily better for the cruising the two do either. Bigger boats, more cost, more complex systems, more maintenance with more expensive spares. Indeed one moves on an exponential curve there. And they are inherently less sustainable and environmentally friendly. The most sustainable boats are always refits.
If Uma (with all the work done) is the boat that fits the life you see for yourselves in 5-10 years, then stick with her. If she doesn't, then you will have to make the big change at some point, and this seems like as good a time as any.
Either way, we're with you for the long haul!
They can’t keep the boat if no yard will allow them to do the work because it needs to be retired and replaced.
Uma doesn’t mind. If a sailboat can know anything about her owners Uma knows that her job was to bring you this far. Working on her structure, sailing her to her limit exploring the wonders of the world, both within and without… Uma is as proud of you as we are. Uma is a character in your story that wants you to to move past and move up. Ultreia et Suseia!
Lovely response! ❤️❤️❤️
Wrong. Uma deserves to be fixed.
As the owner of my own 40 year old classic plastic production boat, your channel has inspired me to bring her into the ocean with the right upgrades. That said, at the end of the day your boat is a platform to explore amd travel safely. If you don’t think she can bring you back across the Atlantic as is, sell her and start a whole new chapter with your blue water boat! We all enjoyed Project Atticus I to II and we will all tune in to watch Uma II come to life!
Life comes to us in chapters…writing a chapter is easier than recognizing when it’s time to turn the page and start a new one.
This episode gave me so many feels!
To think you took the money you could have spent on a couch to buy a boat that couldn’t even sail. And with no prior experience, and virtually no budget, resurrected Uma from scrap into such an incredibly capable and customized floating home. But even more than that, the three of you became an adventure team and built a worldwide community of followers who are invested in your lives. The thought of saying goodbye to Uma I is a sad one for sure. But Uma is far more than a hull, mast and some sails. She’s an icon, a lifestyle, and an ideology. Uma will embody her next incarnation just as fully as she has her first. ❤
In the big scheme of things, to my mind, UMA doesn't owe you a nickel! She has brought you to many wonderful places, given you more knowledge and experience than most boat owners even have the bandwidth to tackle, and she has provided you a RUclips platform that rivals few others.
But now, YOU HAVE OUTGROWN UMA!
It is time to make a change.
You guys, more than anyone I know of (or watch) need and deserve that best, most robust, offshore monster boat - custom designed w/ you two deeply involved in the process the whole way. If the major boat builders out there have any brains . . . you should be hearing from them. It would be sad in a way to see UMA retired - but I'd also love to see what you two could and would do with a blank sheet of paper given your experience in both sailing and in retrofitting UMA. Best to you both!
I hope you're right. It reminds me of when Ewan McGregor and Charlie Boorman did their Long Way Round tv show and KTM said they didn't think they would make it and it was the biggest marketing blunder in the history of of motorcycles. BMW took the challenge, and they sold more of their adventure bikes in the following decade and a half than they ever had before.
That would make for an incredibly entertaining video series just by itself , it's nearly always the round the world liveaboard types that have the best ideas for how to fit out a boat, their guided tour of all their personal modifications a while ago was the exact video that got me hooked on this channel.
Guys, just trade UMA to a superfan who will keep her somewhere warm and tranquil in the med to live out her retirement, and get yourselves a hulking great 50ft steel hulled chonkster
Best opinion & comment on this thread!
@@rorychivers8769 50 feet seems overkill, but I could see them on a boat closer to what Jordan and Desiree have (but more geared for speed).
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017I got pretty used to 40ft , but every 50 foot boat I ever stepped aboard was like being in a palace. But I didn't think going from 36 to 40 ft would really feel like much of an upgrade, so I thought why not push the boat out
I know you are busy but I am anxious to see what your doing
It was only a matter of time. You guys are young and I can’t imagine that you figured on sailing that one boat for the rest of your sailing lives.
Eventually the page turns and a new chapter begins in every story.
No shame, you've both taken that girl beyond her years & travels. Time to upgrade, you both have many miles to travel & explore. Love your adventures. All the best from Rice Lake Ontario.
You guys enabled Uma to have a good long sail and have taken her places she never would have ventured without your determination and love for her. Boats are much like people they too reach their end of life and must sail off into the wild blue 😢.
There's no question that in the hands of a yard or with the two of you doing the repairs yourself, Uma could certainly be put right again. But what would "putting her right" mean? After all the expense and labor, you'd still have the problem which was clear from the start; Uma is a light, coastal cruiser, and not built to brave the North Atlantic, the Arctic Circle, and the Mediterranean as she gloriously has. It's a testament to Kika and Dan's brilliant skills as seafarers that Uma has made it as far as she has in this, her second life, but take it from someone who sails his restored 32-foot 1936 wooden power boat the length of Long Island Sound and out into the ocean along the New Jersey coast, -- the potential for an old boat to meet its Maker unexpectedly is a constant threat no matter how diligent the upkeep and maintenance. It's one thing to have a catastrophic failure of the hull or rigging in sight of land, but a mid-Atlantic breakup on a return trip westward is something those of us who have grown to treasure you both pray you won't chance. There's nothing sadder than retiring a beloved boat. The heart aches, but Uma has earned her dignity and her rest, and the two of you deserve a hull under you that you can trust in the heavy seas and adventures ahead. Best wishes to you both!
Dan has the best summary and outlook of your current situation, or it's time to stick a fork in it and call it done. There's a lot to be said for doing your own maintenance, restoration, etc., and then there's the return on your investment. No one is suggesting that it's time to buy the couch, but I think most of us would like to see you on a newer, safer, blue-water boat. Cheers.
Beautifully put. Let her go out the beautiful lady she is with her mast held high and her keel securely fastened to the hull to serve her remaining days as the coastal cruiser she was created to be. You have served her well and she, you!
When I bought my Mythos, she was in desperate need of some repairs., which I promply did. In 7 years of ownership, I pumped basicaly the aquisition cost of her again, in repairs and modernization. She was (well, still is, just not mine anymore) a 1988 40" German Freer's project and the money I put in her was well worth it. As much as I like Uma, she is now over twice as old as my Mythos was. Someone mentioned Jordan and Des and Atticus and they are right. Yes, it's hard to let such a nice a coozy boat like Uma go, but I think she served well above and beyond the call of duty, and deserves some rest. Anyway, just my two cents FWIW. 🙂
Dan, back in 2015 when we were both working on our boats at Riverside Marina in Ft. Pierce and you were borrowing my welding machine every day to fix your stanchions we had a conversation about how much money you and Kika make from each video. I remember being very impressed by the numbers we discussed. Surely you two have set aside enough to get a Hallberg-Rassy or Westsail. Sell Uma and start fresh with a true blue-water machine. My two cents. Love your videos......Ken in Orlando
Since the last time, I saw Uma at San Juan Pier 1. 5 -7 years Yes next to Club Nautico Since then it has traveled where most don't dare go. IT'S TIME TO UPGRADE. A boat that will take you safely on more adventures. It is your call you won't regret it.
You’re going through what we call “The Firefly Effect”. Firefly was our older 32’ sailboat that we spent the past seven years lovingly upgrading and sailing. We reached a point however where the sequence of repairs and cost were prohibitive and last summer made the difficult decision to sell her. After many tears, we still know in our hearts it was the right decision and are currently looking for our next boat. We don’t know what it will be, other than it will be a little larger, and her name will be Dragonfly :)
Punt mate
Upgrade the boat and the name I love it good luck
They saved over $700k doing all the work themselves though. If they wanted to get this repair done they could afford it. Also with the amazing $100k Ocean Volt sail drive on Uma, it has an increased resale value once the repair is complete. Uma isn't a typical Pearson of her vintage. They brought her up to the bleeding edge of technology.
@@beestingza Wait, what? $100k sail drive? Are you sure about that? They could install 8-10 diesels for that cost.
@@sparkeyjones6261 They were gifted it by a patron and Ocean Volt gave them the control unit at a discount.
Don't leave us hanging. What's next? It's been two weeks.😊
Three weeks already!
Guys, check Croatia and Greece! There’s quite some boatyards that will allow you to do the works on your own. Might need a bit of research but there’s a good chance to find a solution. I can share my experience from Croatia, the available service is really good if you put some efforts in finding the right guys. Cross fingers for you two!
+1
Yeah - its pretty standard in Croatia, you can do that in basically every Marina, we have done it for over 20 years. You will also be better off language wise as most people speak English pretty well.
Agreed.
It may be more cost effective to customize another boat than to take apart and rebuild this one.
Especially if most of the equipment in UMA could be transferred over, not least the Ocean Drive and batteries.
UMA TWO has a nice ring to it
Or maybe 2-Uma or Tuma
This video broke my heart. You both poured so much love and dedication into Uma. I hope you find someone who helps you accomplish that project. At this point it's less about how much Uma is worth, it's about how much she is worth to you both. And I suspect it's a lot! Best of luck! Uma forever!
That's a beautiful comment.
Nice but not practical. These guys need a safe ocean sailing vessel. This boat will never really be that for them. Safety first over emotion every time!
You are just the kind of person they are hoping for to donate $ for them to buy a new boat without working.
@@Ringmaster30 wow that’s really nasty. If you don’t enjoy watching the videos, why are you here? You are obviously unaware of just how much “work” goes in to videoing and editing. It is so unfair of you to say “without working”! I for one get a lot of enjoyment from watching these videos. You should think how hurtful your comments are to other people, who by the way have every right to their comment and if they wish to donate their money then how could that be any of your business? 🤐
@@Ringmaster30 Of all the channels these two work their ass off. You sail the North Atlantic in a day cruiser you bought for $3,500 in a salvage yard and sail to Svalbard and Yan Mayen in the plastic 50-year-old boat with a newly installed electric engine where metal expedition ships with big diesels usually go.
The suspense is killing me! I woke up thinking about you!
What are Kika and Dan gonna do, what are they gonnaaaa dooooo?!?!? 😬
Can't wait for the next episode to come out already!
I'm hoping to see you decide to go for a new boat!
When it’s too much work & time consuming, it’s time for a new boat! 👍
Has Uma become that old comfortable couch? Let your creativity and sense of adventure lead the way forward. Love your Channel, thank you.
Brilliant perspective. Hope they read it. It’s so true.
In my most humble opinion I think it just might be the right time to upgrade! Uma has given you and all of us a lot of great memories for sure and she would be missed but maybe a bigger Uma 2 is the way to go.
No further word for 3 weeks. This is most egregious, dudes.
There was a comment a while back that they had posted about this on their Patreon. They are attending to some kind of 'family matter' or some such. If that involves something with Haiti then I'm guessing it could take some time...
Not sure, if you made a choice already but in Malta they let you work on your boat. We will be heading there ourselves soon to do some work.
Hey there. I'm on my way to Malta right now. I'll be there in about 6 weeks. Cocktails?
Isn't Malta where Jordan and Desiree are currently?
Ahh! If only you knew then, what you know now! Sounds like you're leaning to keeping and rebuilding Uma - IF you can find a yard to let you do the work. If that's what you are after, I hope you can find the right yard! If you decide to move on to Uma II - I'll still be along for the virtual ride! 😉 your channel is one of the very best!
I will not be surprised if in a week or two they upload a new episode 'bout building a new boat on an old keel. These guys surely can. 😄
She’s served you well over and beyond the call of duty. Well done for nursing her along. ❤😢 🤗
Wow, it’s a tough decision. The classic question always occurs, is it really worth it. Speaking as a boat yard owner, surveyor and veteran of the marine business, the answer is clear. However, having owned boats, and having formed a bond with some of them, the waters get a little muddy. I feel for you guys and am sure you will make the right decision, whatever it may be. My best to all three of you.
Classic wood or even ally - but manky GRP - NAH! They could very easily replicate that interior etc. in a far more seaworthy hull.
Most dedicated boat owners wrestle with what you're going through. You guys poured so much time and effort into Uma's refit and then pushed her way beyond what she was designed to be, and to both your and her credit, sailed to many amazing places. Now with the hindsight of experience, it may be time to find a new 'Uma', one better designed for the kind of sailing you do and the places you want to go.
I follow a few "sailing/boating couples" RUclips channels....and yours is right at the top. Always stellar content. Beautiful camera shots. Nice edits. What an adventure you both have had! A lovely story, a love story. I hope you keep going, whatever the decision ends up, we want to see ya'll sailing. On that note....it is so very odd that several of these couples I subscribe to, now including you, this last year specifically, have found themselves in similar dilemmas with their vessels. I will be eagerly watching and anticipating what you both will decide to do next...just whatever you do... don't buy a couch ;-)
I always thought it was amazing you were doing all this sailing with THAT BOAT! This made it endearing and special, but the content you have brought has been less about the boat and more about the journey! perhaps it's time for a blue water boat, but then we don't know what your next chapter is going to be for you two.
I know I'll be watching,
Time for a upgrade!!
Imagine that you two can do with a clean canvas with the experience and knowledge you have now, compared to when you started. Me, for one, would love to see you start a new boatproject. Maybe start with something a little more sound from the get-go? :)
The episodes when you cut the sole out of Uma and reinforced the keel were my favorite. Good luck my friends. If you two would like free Captain's License Courses please feel free to reach out. We are rooting for you whichever way you choose to go forward!
Finally DIY again! I'll been waiting 9 years for this
You guys have impressed the hell out of us with all your efforts with Uma! No shame in getting another boat that will be capable of extended, offshore cruising. Don't let the time & money spent on Uma make you think you should hang on to her; those are sunk costs and can't be recovered in any case. This boat can still serve a couple of small family as a day sailor or costal cruiser quite well, and you should move on. From the stand point of the channel, there will be new and exciting episodes where you're looking for a new (to you anyway) boat and refitting, if necessary. As you go through this process, you can travel around Europe and geek out on the culture, art and architecture! This is a BIG deal, you guys are far more qualified to cover these topic than most RUclipsrs. Uma has taken you far further than anyone could have imagined, time for another boat that can do the same.
Brilliantly said!
@@RickMentore Well said!!!
They SAVED money working on Uma themselves and built a million dollar channel on RUclips. Uma is the heart of this channel's DIY spirit.
@@beestingza Yeah, I've love what I've seen. But they have to be practical as well going forward.
I forsee UMA 2 in the near future. It will be interesting to see what/how big, how long it takes and if you convert to electric. Type of hull...steel, fiberglass, wood. Mono or catamaran.
Sad to see 'lil Uma go but looking forward to the next step 😉 cheers 😊
New boat my friends. New chapter
I feel like this is the biggest reality to owning any boat. The age old "how far do I go." Best of luck to you guys
UMA has been a trusted and dependable ship 🚢 for you guys. She has taken you places that you never knew you would go to, and so, She is like a family member and a trusted friend. I hope everything works out just the way you guys want it to go, and I'm sure that you will make the best decision. Be well and safe travels 🙏
Next boat!
Your experience on a more solid platform will serve you you well.
Get her in a museum (I might be able to assist with that) and find your next dream boat to put your signature mark on and grow! Love you guys!
A museum? You mean a junkyard.
🧐Museum sounds good
@@SOLDOZER Uma could easily be fixed. You are a buzzkill.
@@SOLDOZER It's the first man made electric boat to cross the Atlantic. A museum would be best to educate our youth.
@@johnrainey6545 Boats have been crossing the Atlantic for centuries with no engine at all. Nothing special about an electric motor. And they were not the first anyways.
No idea what the financial situation is, but…
As sad as it will be to see Uma go, she’s done you well - and it’s time to move on. Seems like a no-brainer. As someone mentioned, you guys are the reason we watch. An Uma II would be welcomed by all. As always, love you guys. ❤❤❤❤
Well said !!
sounds like a new boat!!!!
New boat, for all sorts of reasons. You two are ambassadors of sailing and fabulous content creators. I know what it’s like to have great memories with a travel companion, such as Uma. The memories get BETTER with a more capable companion.
That video with the full reveal of Uma’s beautiful interior makeover is what hooked me to this channel. Dan And Kika being architects are what reeled me in. I’ve been so inspired that I took sailing lessons, attended boat shows and roped my husband into the sailing cult. We want to be on the water in a couple of years. I often worry about how my bad knees will hinder my life as a sailor but mine are more easily fixed than Uma’s. I would hate to see her go but you both breathed new life in her and gave her a second chance to do some extraordinary sailing. I hope that you both can find a way to make it work, but it’s understandable if you can’t. 🤞🏽
As the owner of a 76 Pearson P30, I love it. I replaced the rotten deck near the chain plates, am currently painting the deck, both white and non skid. Glass and reinforce the knees, but skip the water tank replacement. Just coat and seal the inside.
That being said, buy a new boat! Sounds like a great excuse!
As heartbreaking as it may be for you guys after all the beautiful work you've done, it's time to let someone else enjoy Uma, for coastal cruising. Get yourself a Bluewater boat and go around the world.
You know, There was an Enterprise A before there was an Enterprise D. Every ship named Enterprise holds a place in our hearts. It can be the same for Umas. May the wind be at your backs friends - youre adventures are very inspiring to those of us who dream of horizons. I hope you keep sailing and its been nice to journey along with you both. :)
I'm disappointed at how many people want them to give up.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 They’re not giving up bo matter what anybody says! It’s just time for a new xhapter!
What you really need for the kind of sailing you do, is an expedition type sailboat. But you know that. It will be a tremendous job to transfer all your stuff to another boat. If you go too big it'll be a lot of effort to handle shorthanded. When my boat was sunk by a tankship in 1990 I was given enough to buy anything I wanted but my wife/crew cautioned me not to go too large because of this "shorthanded" thing. I ended up with a 40ft Swan and now that I'm 90 I'm very glad I didn't go bigger. Also, you really can't trust crew, except your wife because of the "not my boat" syndrome. I really feel for you guys: you have sailed so far and made so many enjoyable videos and you really deserve a good vessel.
I think Uma has taught you a lot, so much so that you’re able to answer your own difficult question. Nothing lasts forever and once you wrap your head around a new boat things get very exiting, et voilà a new journey begins…that’s how it happens. Look forward to what you decide.
I am still in awe what you guys have achieved in a plastic production coastal cruiser. I would say: time for Uma II.
I wouldn’t be to dishearten. I look at the other videos, where the couples are renovating their boats. The issues they have where it wasn’t so obvious when they bought them., are far bigger than yours. So chin and move forward.
It is a bummer because of the hard work you both put into uma. You have made a brilliant job on her. 👍👍👍👍
As I understand, Uma already was close to be scrappend when you picket her up. And what a life you gave her! Even if she had been new, all the adventures you put her through would have been remarkable. And she was already in her second life. And what places she could visit, what storms she did weather. Your interior rework made it into an outstanding boat, I am surprised no big boat maker copied her design.
On the other side, as you described, for a full refit, you would have to change half of the boat if not more. At some point you are just chasing behind a structure which already gave more than ever could be expected.
She should be preserved by all means, but considering you might plan some more demanding travels, finding a new home for her might be the better idea. Someone who cares for her, but doesn't plan to cross oceans. Just among the your subscribers should be someone.
For Uma II, it would be interesting to know into which boat category you would be looking. Monohull or multihull? Which size? In any case, I would assume you would want to design the interiors. By the way, what became of the project you had polls about in the past? I cannot imagine there isn't a boat yard which wouldn't love to work together with you. Honestly, if you do the interior design and allow the yard to replicate it for sale, they should give you a new boat for free! And if not that, at least for an extremely generous rebate. But considering how much you bring to the table - not only experience but Uma shows how great designers you are - you really should get it for free.
😢... consider this decision like taking that reef ... if you're thinking of it...
That boat has lived a good life and provided you with many memories!…❤️❤️❤️ Next chapter!…🔥🔥🔥
For those of us with old boats. We always put more in them than they are worth. But a $250,000 30 foot boat.
Kika and Dan I wouldn't even begin to suggest that I have any idea what this must feel like. Since discovering your channel I have watched with great anticipation as each new episode would pop up. Whether your do the repairs or move on to begin a new chapter with Uma II, we will all be here to support your journies. All the best and I am sure you will make the best decision while balancing your emotional connection against your personal safety and what makes the most logical sense. We will all look forward to learning your plan for the future.
You guys are so legit... honestly, it's unreal! Mad respect for everything you've accomplished- more than most people can dream of. I admire the path you've forged and totally respect wherever you go from here! 🤟🍻
You'll make the right decision, and we'll be here when you do.
We miss you guy's 😢and would like to know whether Uma 2 is coming soon
I've been following you guys for a while now, I've seen every episode from the beginning so I know how much blood sweat and tears has gone into making Uma into what she is today. I have grown attached to you guys and your home on water through your camera lens. Uma has a special place in my own soul and it's not even my boat, so I can only imagine how this is making you feel. My father used to always tell me that nothing lasts forever, a bad time is just a spot between two good times. So with that, you have my best wishes and my support for whatever it's worth, throughout your endeavors and this huge decision. Love you guys!
-JLM
You guys ok ?
Missing you.
So to me you guys have always been extremely good at making practical decisions in terms of what is needed/achievable. I know you have been designing/working on a new boat design (Duas?) so the question is - if you're basically going to rebuild the entire boat, is it cheaper/more practical to build a whole boat or buy a new boat. On the other hand - it is your boat, you know it and you could probably do it, there must be a yard somewhere that will let you work on the boat - even if you have to leave Italy (Malta?) and there is an advantage to knowing your boat, plus I don't know what's financially viable for you at the moment. Either way good luck, looking forward to the next step on your advaneture!
By the way If you are thinking of building a new boat - Plucky of Sailing into Freedom is currently (or about to) start building an all electric - aluminium Mumby catamaran (Mumby is a consultant on the design) in Greece which might be interesting for you it's being done on a budget too (his old boat had a metal frame in GRP got struck by lightening which then delaminated it).
@@tomriley5790 I think he fixed that problem. My understanding is that the new cat is about taking on the Elcano challenge. He can't do that in the monohull...
This is like the sailor’s version of “If You Give A Mouse A Cookie”!! I wish you the best!
Try Porto Verde, Scarlino GR. You can work on your own boat there and find specialists to help. Olbia is only 20 hours away!
Uma is a one-of-a-kind, beautiful boat. The interior is simply unmatched in functionality and beauty in any other boat of her size that I've seen, and honestly she's even better than some larger boats out there. But honestly, fiberglass boats all have a lifetime, and while it might be better than wood boats, 50 years is pretty close to it. It'll be sad to see Uma go, even for us who have just enjoyed her by watching your videos. But if its time, its time, and honestly as these problems get worse it gets less and less safe to continue to sail her. A boat is not worth your lives, and if its not economic to repair then you simply will have to move on.
A lot of sailing youtube channels have been buying new from-the-manufacturer boats recently. I don't know if your finances allow you to consider that or not, but if you could find a builder to partner with you on designing an interior as excellent as Uma's it would be an exceptional and exciting project to watch.
I bet she can be repaired and get another 10 years easy.
Definitely a super big dilemma. May be doable in another part of the world where you can stay for a couple of years, and do the work. Perhaps Uma is trying to say she's tired, gave it all she had, and is ready to go rest, and eager to see Uma II.
Best of luck guys.
As much as you guys clearly love Uma it appears that it is time to move on. No matter what you decide I'll be here cheering you on.
if you do get a different boat, just don't buy a new boat the way some of the other sailing channels seem to be going. you're one of my favorite channels, and favorite sailing channel because of the amount of DIY you do, which has inspired me to do more of my own work instead of paying someone else to do it. Can't wait to see what you decide to do.
That's what makes this channel special.
I hate seeing the Wynnes moving into a new state of the art boat normal people could never afford.
@@charlesharper2357 the Wynn's whole vibe has always been a lot more about making it to the point where they can afford a newer bigger boat. That was how they handled RVs, too. I'm most interested in the faults they discover with their new fast cat and how long they remain satisfied with the stock setup.
If Kika and Dan want to keep making the content their audience tunes in for, they'll do something to make UMA 2 their own. Either they partner with a boat builder to design their own floorplan with pro builders (like the architects they are) or they renovate an old (yet newer) blue water boat to continue on in the same spirit.
But hey, they've succeeded with UMA and if they want to keep the same formula going is entirely up to them. Maybe they want to succeed in an all new direction.
@@EUC-lid
What makes this channel special is that they aren't materialistic...it's not boat porn.
Which the Wynnes are becoming.
Hi Dan and Kika, you raised a hope within me with your last post... I want to see you in a new boat project! You two have a completely unique experience of living and sailing a relatively small sailboat in all kinds of conditions. Combined with your background as architects with great creativity and also produce really good videos....I hope to see you in a new boat with all your ideas!!
OUCH ! That hurts . There was an Old Lady Who Swallowed a Fly . Good Luck Guys.
You guys are one of the best sailing youtube channels out there largely because you are getting by on so little and adventuring to the max. You deserve the lifestyle and safety a more appropriate boat may provide.
Much love to UMA! She's legendary. Having said that, a new boat for you guys would be very exciting!
Okay, after that cliffhanger, I get a bit anxious for the next episode :) .....
All your time and experience with global sailing and the hard labor of each tweak and repair are leading you to a decision that is hard to accept but easy to make. Sometimes just like houses, it's better to move to something that fills all your needs rather than try to invest and bandage in what you currently have. It's an emotional decision but you guys deserve an upgrade! Besides, new boat means more new adventures..