Very useful. Am considering that as I turn 80 in one more day, it is time to transition from my thin muscle back forged blades, with a 7-iron that has a 36 degree loft, which I now can carry only 130-140, to something that will give me an extra 15 yards. But I've played forged blades most of the 59 years I've been playing and can't stand bulky max game improvement clubs. I need something the looks close to a forged blade. You and at least four more pros who produce RUclips club test videos have all had great things to say about the Hot Metal Pro in terms of appearance, feel, sound and performance. If it works for them, well then, it will work for me. That's a huge psychological boost. So thank you for this.
I hit these next to some Forged Clubs, couldn’t tell the difference at all. If I didn’t know, I would have guessed they were forged as well. Fantastic Clubs the HM Pro.
That is one thing that has helped me tremendously is understanding what type of ball striking day I’m going to have on the range and not fighting it, just take it to the course.
Came back to Mizuno last year and have the hmbs 4-pw. These are the best irons iv gamed. Had the ping i500s which were a bit clicky which is why I have the mizuno now. Used to play the miz tp11 when i was a lad. Great comparison.
Forgot to add, the efficiency by location toe vs heel images are priceless. My tendency is slightly toward the toe, so between these two, definitely the Hot Metal Pro.
If you combine HM pro with the forged you might have a gap in lofts. Is it better to weaken the longer clubs by 1° or should you rather strengthen the lofts of the shorter irons ?
I have the MP-20 HMB from P - 5 iron. Instead of getting hmb 4(22°) and 3(19°) irons, I went with Hot Metal 5(22°) iron and 4(19°) iron because they have the same lofts but the hot metal are more forgiving.
This is probably the third review I’ve seen with the HM pro and the guys are hitting it further than the bigger HM. About 10 yards further on every club. I got fitted for the HM pro with the UST Recoil ESX 460 shafts. I can’t wait till I get them in mid March. ⛳️🏌️🇺🇸
Hi Norman. Although that may be the case (not sure which reviews you've seen with those results) the HM Pro and HM are both lofted exactly the same so should be very similar in distances subject to strike. In my original test reviews of the JPX921 series, the HM Pro carried 1 yard longer which statistically isn't relevant in an average of 178 yards. If you have seen reviews where the distances are that much different I would like to see head data that should accompany the ball data that justifies where the statistically relevant 10 yards is coming from. Only swing speed, dynamic loft, angle of attack or average strike location could affect distances by that kind of number..... Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
I had the JPX 921 HMP and as good as they were, the feel was dull. I switched two months ago to the MP 20 HMB and the feel was much better. I could easily tell where I was hitting it and adjusted. Both are very good but I scored better and enjoyed hitting the MP quite a bit more....
The MP series for sure has much better feel and feedback. Unfortunately a lot of people completely dismiss testing them as they believe they are too hard to hit... Such a shame.....
I actually just did the same exact thing. I had the HMP and played them for 8 months. I do think that they are great irons, but the consistency just was never really there for me, both side to side and distance. I also am someone that can’t really hit hybrids well at all, but still kept at least one in my bag to try and get those longer yardages. I went ahead and purchased a 3-PW set of HMB, and the difference was very significant for me. I played my first round with the new irons yesterday, and I had so much fun hitting them. I can actually hit my 3 and 4 irons better than my old 4H. Then the rest of the clubs were so consistent and predictable for me too. That was without tweaking them to my specs (I bought a standard set and decided to customize it later instead of waiting 2 or more months to get a custom order).
Another great video, still trying to get fitted for the JPX irons, hopefully after lockdown. I would be interested to know any tips you have for moving the heel strike more towards the toe :) i never venture toe side and would love to move the strike a little further away from the you know what :) Cheers
Another brilliant in-depth review. I was custom fitted for HMB 4-PW KBS C Taper lite reg shaft, a month before the 921 was released. Due to the current situation not had more than 10 rounds with them. So far ok although I have a nagging doubt as to whether I should’ve waited for 921 HM?
Hi Kevin, there is so little in it and mainly more down to aesthetics than any massive forgiveness trait, unless we are talking about strike misses where yes one will be more helpful than the other. Do you know where your strike grouping and miss is? Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
@@AskGolfNut Hi thanks for the reply, very refreshing as so many RUclipsrs don’t. Like any 14 handicapper my miss is very inconsistent. My bad shot is a left pull, maybe striking it a little off the toe. As I play at a tough links course it’s handy to keep the ball a little lower. We rarely play without wind. I’m a Mizuno nut, had 825/850/900/919 hm pro (had them stolen) and now HMB. Also got Driver, fairway & hybrids. Keep up the good work, always look out for your in depth & thorough reviews.
Kev to put your mind at rest and understand totally if it was a good or poor decision (remember the fitter has to take some responsibility), I would find a good coach using head based tracking (Foresight systems) that can really drill down what the cause of the inconsistencies are and what changes can be made to correct the flaws whilst working with your current equipment. I do the above regularly as you wouldn't believe the amount of people make poor buying choices (again fitters must take some responsibility). 👍
Hi Jay, I am currently gaming the JPX 900 forged and looking to update my irons. I am a 60 yr old 6 hcp golfer with a fairly low ball flight, my swing speed with a 7 iron is around 80mph, what are your thoughts between these 2 clubs for me, thanks
Hi Tony, great question. Honestly the 900 Forged has a history of launching lower than initially designed. The 919 and 921 Forged are very much improved in that respect. Out of the two I'd probably go for the HM Pro but weakened off to the most loft possible. Although definitely test to see if the standard lofts give you the height and distance you are looking for 👍
Your spin with the HMB is almost 1000rpm lower on this test than when you compared the HMB to the 921 forged, is this due to the heel strikes on the day ?
Great review Jay, as always In your opinion do you think these two clubs are potentially combinable?? HMB up to 7 iron say and HMP from 6 to 4 iron? Just s thought Stay safe 🏌️⛳🏆🍾
Hi Alberto, without a doubt, lofts aren't too far off and both utilise tech in the long irons with the HMB going back to grain flow in the 8 to PW so a very good combo 👍
Hi James, not necessarily, as both sets of clubs do slightly different things. If you know your strike habits as the shafts get longer than with the forgiveness in different spots necessarily it'll help you make a decision 👍
@@AskGolfNut Hit both the Forged and Pro, like them both and did well with them. Seems the blending issue for lofts w both arise at 7i/6i. Am I correct you like the HMP/HMB combo better? My strike typically, at least w 7i I was fit with, is center to toe, not so much heel. Thamks so much for input! Vids are extremely informative.
Not much call for it mate to be fair. These videos take far more effort and time than most people think and as my time is generally already pushed, I have to use it as effectively as poss. I have to try to focus my time in helping as many people as possible in the time I have but if there is more call for it I'm happy to do one 👍
@@AskGolfNut appreciate that. Don’t know anyone else doing such detailed reviews. You are simply the best there is out there. Can I ask for you subjective opinion? Do you “sense” a bit more forgiveness in the JPX921Tour than the MP20?
No difference mate, and in my view the MP looks cleaner. There's only a couple of % points in it. Tour that touch more according to the numbers but it's so so marginal that it's inconceivable to a human in a single test session. Again I'd stick with the MP20 👍
Confused by the " desire to have more feedback" If you misshit one it feels poor, but the hit has happened, and you cannot change it. So what can you do about it??
Without having a £20k launch monitor to tell you exactly where you are striking on the face, having / getting the correct amount of feedback can inform you of what is your strike pattern. Knowing this allows you to better your practice sessions and work on misshits. Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
Hi Golf Dad, no one could ever answer your question without seeing and measuring your swing. Sometimes 2 up isn't enough for people at 5' 10". You may need more or lesson due to many different factors. Arm length, wrist angles at impact, posture to mention a few. Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
I’ve heard a few people say they get jumpers with the JPX921 HMPs. Anyone got any experience of this - a shot that suddenly flies 10/ 15 yards further ?
If that's a 'leaked' shot, mine must be a burst water main! Great review again, Jay
I'm always very hard on myself and probably expect too much but you know what they say.... Aim small, miss small 😊
Very useful. Am considering that as I turn 80 in one more day, it is time to transition from my thin muscle back forged blades, with a 7-iron that has a 36 degree loft, which I now can carry only 130-140, to something that will give me an extra 15 yards. But I've played forged blades most of the 59 years I've been playing and can't stand bulky max game improvement clubs. I need something the looks close to a forged blade. You and at least four more pros who produce RUclips club test videos have all had great things to say about the Hot Metal Pro in terms of appearance, feel, sound and performance. If it works for them, well then, it will work for me. That's a huge psychological boost. So thank you for this.
I hit these next to some Forged Clubs, couldn’t tell the difference at all. If I didn’t know, I would have guessed they were forged as well. Fantastic Clubs the HM Pro.
That is one thing that has helped me tremendously is understanding what type of ball striking day I’m going to have on the range and not fighting it, just take it to the course.
Your videos are great, best on RUclips for proper tests
Of course I'm biased when I say I agree 100% 😊 but honestly, thank you for your kind feedback 👍
Came back to Mizuno last year and have the hmbs 4-pw. These are the best irons iv gamed. Had the ping i500s which were a bit clicky which is why I have the mizuno now.
Used to play the miz tp11 when i was a lad.
Great comparison.
Love Mizunos. Can’t afford a new set unfortunately. Will have to keep going with my Jpx-850 forged irons, which are doing the job for me
Great videos!
Forgot to add, the efficiency by location toe vs heel images are priceless. My tendency is slightly toward the toe, so between these two, definitely the Hot Metal Pro.
Excellent review, as always. 🏌️♂️
If you combine HM pro with the forged you might have a gap in lofts. Is it better to weaken the longer clubs by 1° or should you rather strengthen the lofts of the shorter irons ?
I have the MP-20 HMB from P - 5 iron. Instead of getting hmb 4(22°) and 3(19°) irons, I went with Hot Metal 5(22°) iron and 4(19°) iron because they have the same lofts but the hot metal are more forgiving.
Do you find the HMB are forgiving? Or more of just a blade
This is probably the third review I’ve seen with the HM pro and the guys are hitting it further than the bigger HM. About 10 yards further on every club. I got fitted for the HM pro with the UST Recoil ESX 460 shafts. I can’t wait till I get them in mid March. ⛳️🏌️🇺🇸
Hi Norman. Although that may be the case (not sure which reviews you've seen with those results) the HM Pro and HM are both lofted exactly the same so should be very similar in distances subject to strike.
In my original test reviews of the JPX921 series, the HM Pro carried 1 yard longer which statistically isn't relevant in an average of 178 yards. If you have seen reviews where the distances are that much different I would like to see head data that should accompany the ball data that justifies where the statistically relevant 10 yards is coming from. Only swing speed, dynamic loft, angle of attack or average strike location could affect distances by that kind of number.....
Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
I had the JPX 921 HMP and as good as they were, the feel was dull. I switched two months ago to the MP 20 HMB and the feel was much better. I could easily tell where I was hitting it and adjusted. Both are very good but I scored better and enjoyed hitting the MP quite a bit more....
The MP series for sure has much better feel and feedback. Unfortunately a lot of people completely dismiss testing them as they believe they are too hard to hit... Such a shame.....
I actually just did the same exact thing. I had the HMP and played them for 8 months. I do think that they are great irons, but the consistency just was never really there for me, both side to side and distance. I also am someone that can’t really hit hybrids well at all, but still kept at least one in my bag to try and get those longer yardages. I went ahead and purchased a 3-PW set of HMB, and the difference was very significant for me. I played my first round with the new irons yesterday, and I had so much fun hitting them. I can actually hit my 3 and 4 irons better than my old 4H. Then the rest of the clubs were so consistent and predictable for me too. That was without tweaking them to my specs (I bought a standard set and decided to customize it later instead of waiting 2 or more months to get a custom order).
@@jmcdaniel2211 what was the main difference for u between the HMB and HMP?
@@BuffaloBarber24 pretty much what saintcruizin had said. They’re both great irons. The feel and performance was just a little better for me.
@@jmcdaniel2211 do you find the HMB are forgiving compared to the HMP?
Another great video, still trying to get fitted for the JPX irons, hopefully after lockdown. I would be interested to know any tips you have for moving the heel strike more towards the toe :) i never venture toe side and would love to move the strike a little further away from the you know what :) Cheers
Great review, thanks again!
Thanks Francis glad you enjoyed the content 👍
@10:17 “I’m consistently right”...sounds like my wife
That's funny 😊
I am just down the road from you guys, do you offer many shaft options for fitting? Thanks
Hi SJ C if you are interested in either fitting or coaching if you could email askgolfnut@gmail.com we can discuss in more detail 👍
how do these compair to an ap2
Another brilliant in-depth review. I was custom fitted for HMB 4-PW KBS C Taper lite reg shaft, a month before the 921 was released. Due to the current situation not had more than 10 rounds with them. So far ok although I have a nagging doubt as to whether I should’ve waited for 921 HM?
Hi Kevin, there is so little in it and mainly more down to aesthetics than any massive forgiveness trait, unless we are talking about strike misses where yes one will be more helpful than the other. Do you know where your strike grouping and miss is?
Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
@@AskGolfNut Hi thanks for the reply, very refreshing as so many RUclipsrs don’t. Like any 14 handicapper my miss is very inconsistent. My bad shot is a left pull, maybe striking it a little off the toe. As I play at a tough links course it’s handy to keep the ball a little lower. We rarely play without wind. I’m a Mizuno nut, had 825/850/900/919 hm pro (had them stolen) and now HMB. Also got Driver, fairway & hybrids. Keep up the good work, always look out for your in depth & thorough reviews.
Kev to put your mind at rest and understand totally if it was a good or poor decision (remember the fitter has to take some responsibility), I would find a good coach using head based tracking (Foresight systems) that can really drill down what the cause of the inconsistencies are and what changes can be made to correct the flaws whilst working with your current equipment.
I do the above regularly as you wouldn't believe the amount of people make poor buying choices (again fitters must take some responsibility). 👍
Hi Jay, I am currently gaming the JPX 900 forged and looking to update my irons. I am a 60 yr old 6 hcp golfer with a fairly low ball flight, my swing speed with a 7 iron is around 80mph, what are your thoughts between these 2 clubs for me, thanks
Hi Tony, great question. Honestly the 900 Forged has a history of launching lower than initially designed. The 919 and 921 Forged are very much improved in that respect.
Out of the two I'd probably go for the HM Pro but weakened off to the most loft possible. Although definitely test to see if the standard lofts give you the height and distance you are looking for 👍
Thanks for your quick reply and advice, enjoy your videos 👍
Your spin with the HMB is almost 1000rpm lower on this test than when you compared the HMB to the 921 forged, is this due to the heel strikes on the day ?
Could very well be, and also the slight differences in the human equation.
Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
Great review Jay, as always
In your opinion do you think these two clubs are potentially combinable?? HMB up to 7 iron say and HMP from 6 to 4 iron? Just s thought
Stay safe
🏌️⛳🏆🍾
Hi Alberto, without a doubt, lofts aren't too far off and both utilise tech in the long irons with the HMB going back to grain flow in the 8 to PW so a very good combo 👍
@@AskGolfNut would this blend be better than a JPX Pro/Forged combo?
Hi James, not necessarily, as both sets of clubs do slightly different things. If you know your strike habits as the shafts get longer than with the forgiveness in different spots necessarily it'll help you make a decision 👍
@@AskGolfNut Hit both the Forged and Pro, like them both and did well with them.
Seems the blending issue for lofts w both arise at 7i/6i.
Am I correct you like the HMP/HMB combo better?
My strike typically, at least w 7i I was fit with, is center to toe, not so much heel.
Thamks so much for input!
Vids are extremely informative.
Well done.
I wonder if you’ve noticed much of a difference between the JPX921 tour and the MP20 MB?
Any plans to do a comparison?
Not much call for it mate to be fair. These videos take far more effort and time than most people think and as my time is generally already pushed, I have to use it as effectively as poss.
I have to try to focus my time in helping as many people as possible in the time I have but if there is more call for it I'm happy to do one 👍
@@AskGolfNut appreciate that.
Don’t know anyone else doing such detailed reviews. You are simply the best there is out there.
Can I ask for you subjective opinion? Do you “sense” a bit more forgiveness in the JPX921Tour than the MP20?
No difference mate, and in my view the MP looks cleaner. There's only a couple of % points in it. Tour that touch more according to the numbers but it's so so marginal that it's inconceivable to a human in a single test session.
Again I'd stick with the MP20 👍
@@AskGolfNut Jay, thanks for that. 👍
Confused by the " desire to have more feedback" If you misshit one it feels poor, but the hit has happened, and you cannot change it. So what can you do about it??
Without having a £20k launch monitor to tell you exactly where you are striking on the face, having / getting the correct amount of feedback can inform you of what is your strike pattern. Knowing this allows you to better your practice sessions and work on misshits.
Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
Do you know what’s new in 2021 from Mizuno? Great video
Ooooo well 2 new Drivers will be out soon... Then not forgetting my favourite time of the year... New iron release in August / September 👍
They are probably coming out with the Mp - 22 lol
No name has been set as yet but I wouldn't be surprised if the recent time naming pattern continues... 👍
Ben Hogan used to leak’m like that.
I'm always overly critical of my own performance 😊👍
Would 2up be enough for a 6'8 man on the Mizuno's
Hi Golf Dad, no one could ever answer your question without seeing and measuring your swing. Sometimes 2 up isn't enough for people at 5' 10". You may need more or lesson due to many different factors. Arm length, wrist angles at impact, posture to mention a few.
Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
I’ve heard a few people say they get jumpers with the JPX921 HMPs. Anyone got any experience of this - a shot that suddenly flies 10/ 15 yards further ?
No
Yes. I have frequently had my 8i jump an extra 20 yards.
Yes flier lies can be hotter than usual flier lies. But the forgiveness is insane and it's just a beautiful club.
Is this a trick question?