They should absolutely add search aliases for things like “red science” and “blue chips”. That would be an easy win and super helpful to people, especially if they watch other community content
The problem is, where do you stop? Some people call science packs beakers, others flasks, I just call them science. Some people call the utility science pack yellow, others call it gold. Some people call inserters "grabbers". There's a lot of alternate names. They could do a system where you could put your own alternate names in, but then how would that work in multiplayer? But they did say they'd look at maybe doing something like that at the event.
Yes! Especially for mods. I would like to type red and see red science, red chips, red assemblers, red belts, red pipes, red ammo, red inserters, red mechanical facility, etc.
I wonder if the factoriopedia could hide content that isnt discoovered. Maybe tied to the tech tree (and the same event triggers). Seems like a shame to have the wiki spoil things after all this build up 😅
re: new map gen - I think this is the first mention I've come across of there being bodies of water akin to seas now in the base map gen! I love the Cargo Ships mod, but I never did a proper game with it. Fiddling with 1.0's (and previous) map gen, I seem to only get it to place enough water for long shipping lines if I give up on also having enough land for long train lines. Hopefully 2.0 Nauvis will give me seas *and* continents, and stop forcing me to choose between them.
One thing about fulgora that concerns me is the lightning flash VFX mostly at night time. In all the clips i've seen of nighttime fulgora some have left me feeling a bit discomforted due to how random it is, not that it's bad it just makes me feel a bit nauseated. I'd hope there's some method to tone down the flashing or off entirely. Otherwise REALLY excited to try the planet out
I'm not aware of an option for that, but I haven't specifically looked. I will feed it back but it might be worth highlighting the issue on the factorio forums / reddit.
I expect one of Gleba's techs will be the super landfill useable on the other planets, but ..even so, that doesn't make it a compelling 1st or 2nd option. In order to achieve a relative balance between the planets, the reward must make the mechanics/difficulties worthwhile, and must also be as desirable as the rewards the other planets provide. otherwise the situation becomes: do vulcanus & fulgora 1st and 2nd (probably in that order, but the opposite order is probaably fine, too), and only go to gleba when either a) you need the super landfill i expect is unlocked there, or: it's necessary to get the science/tech path unlocked to reach the final planet.
I can't really talk about what you get there until after the embargo, but there have been tweaks. It's still a personal preference thing though, which is what they're going for.
"The lightning isn't that big of a deal if you have SHIELDS ON" WHAT???!! Building shields??? I know there's player shields which have been in the game for a long time, but this makes it sound more like there's protective building shields, maybe like bubble shields.
There are capsules landing on both the command center and the storage expansions, on the space platform. It makese no sense because it wasn't like the capsules in the storage expansions got there when the command center was busy...
So I have one question on my mind, maybe you can touch on that. I'm wondering if Nauvis as your "main, big production hub" is a given, or whether other planets, say Vulcanus could take that place? As I see it, Vulcanus sounds like an interesting option for ramping up the big production due to the infinite resources; but Vulcanus also sounds like it will be difficult to secure a significantly large area to do just that. Fulgora has the big advantage of swimming in higher tech (and I suspect recycling with quality modules from top-down rather than building with quality modules from the bottom-up is going to be much more effective?), lending itself to a great hub for quality item production, but then you have all those somewhat isolated "islands" that don't lend themselves well to big production (perhaps a bit of a city-block approach works, minus the "block" part of city block -- city islands?). Nauvis has none of that, but reliable resources, a familiar enemy that is easy to drive away and very easy to claim land. You can go HUGE on nauvis, have all the space you ever need, but none of the fancy bonuses like lava or scrap. So I wonder if in the end, Nauvis will remain the essential anchor for your playthroughs by virtue of having virtually infinite and easy to use space, or if the other planets are realistic alternatives to it? Can you say something in that regard, what is your impression? Could you quickly transition in making Vulcanus your "main" planet, or will the worms just say "nuh-uh" to such an ambition?
I'll do my best to give some thoughts but it's a pretty complex thing to discuss. I suspect also that it'll be like the main game where people will try things and there'll be different strategies that are viable. A bit like main bus was something that developed over time and city blocks later still.
@@trismugistus Looking forward to the video! Earlier I was also mulling something else over: different starting planets. I wonder how feasible it would be to make each of the 3 first planets a starting location, assuming you do unlock the core techs to get started on each. Probably going to be a mod for that at some point. Say starting on Gleba would be a straightforward deal, as it uses "coal power" and water pumps, so power is early tech, you just need to enable the fruit growing early on. Or Fulgora, if you had the scrap recycler available early. Might be something fun to experience.
I thought about this - I haven't really seen anyone be excited about it as such, no. I think it's because it's a "modifier" system, rather than a specific new building or thing. So it's less tangible than something like a new building or belt tier. But the reaction has been favourable, I'd say - people like it, but yeah, perhaps not properly excited. It's also something that we were kinda encouraged not to dive too deep into early on - it can be a bit of a trap sinking lots of resources into it early on, especially without the recycler. And because most teams in the lan didn't really get to end game, I don't know that many of us played with it too much.
As someone who usually plays on Peaceful and generally doesn't interact with biters unless absolutely necessary, I was thinking of turning off Peaceful for Space Age in favour of heavily neutered biters (namely lowered effect from pollution and removing time-based evolution) so as to make a large chunk of the tech tree not a complete waste of science. With that in mind, hearing that Nauvis combat became more challenging was very concerning to me and is making me reconsider my previous idea. How bad did the combat actually become and how would you suggest approaching it for a player who generally avoids the combat and defence mechanics of the game?
I can't really fully answer your question pre-embargo as there's a bit more to it. I will try and pick up these other questions, but I have a Q&A blog post where I'm asking people to put their questions and I can answer them in a video and livestream on the 14th (final planet and end-game excepted). I can say that neutering the biters is still a pretty viable approach for customising your play experience.
Nice man thanks. I may have missed it but have they explained how exactly qualily buildings are produced? Also are you concerned that it might take a long time for larger mods to become compatible with space age?
375 was quality :) It sort of explains it - it's based on modules, where, if you have a module in a machine then it has a chance of increasing the quality level. If you have questions, you're probably best asking them in the Q&A blog post and I'll pick them up there for the video / Livestream. In terms of mods, not sure if they've been explicit in the FFF, but any mod that involves one of the devs should be compatible (assuming it's not made its way into the core game :)) and they've given key mod makers access to the v2 modding api documentation, and quite a few were at the lan party / are beta testers. Wube loves its modders as I believe that's where some of the devs (maybe even kovarex?) got started :). I think it's likely big mods will be compatible very quickly, but smaller stuff depends on if its maintained.
I can't really give you an answer until the embargo lifts. I will do my best to pick these up but you're best to put them in the q&a post if you want to be sure of an answer :)
12:05 "wire stay attached when you move combinators" ? What does that mean? If you control X to rebuild the newly placed combinator will still be coupled in whatever configuration you had it?
If it’s very easy to get rockets going from fulgora, why do you think you need a big nauvis base first? Why not just rush to fulgora and use stuff from there to make your rockets?
I kinda explained in the video - I'm not necessarily saying big, I am saying productive and efficient. I'm pretty sure bootstrapping each planet will (for me) be both tedious and difficult on some planets, so I think it's better that Nauvis can build platforms and provide you with stuff via platforms. But for others that may be fun and I'm sure other strategies are viable - depends on if grinding out the same stuff on each planet is your cup of tea, or if you'd just rather have Nauvis build things and platforms ship them in. Plus, as I said, Fulgora has space and power challenges, so building there has its own issues (which you can alleviate by delivering stuff from Nauvis...). If you want more detail you're best off asking in the Q&A thread, because I can't give detail until the embargo lifts.
A lot of players don't - some I've seen on reddit take until over 800 hours before they launch one. It's one of those games, tbh - the fun is in the designing and the ongoing challenge, not necessarily the end-goal :)
Yes, a few, but they're conscious that the game has a lot of shortcuts, so they try to avoid new ones. If you want detail, I'd suggest posting in the Q&A blog post and I can answer more fully there.
Captivity? Fish Breeding!? How did I miss that the first time I watched this b-roll footage...
Yeah, it has some interesting things in it ;)
what time did you find it in the video? or where? hard to tell on footage
@@wherestheshroomsyo 16:28 Someone is queuing some interesting technologies.
Tree planting? @@trismugistus
They should absolutely add search aliases for things like “red science” and “blue chips”. That would be an easy win and super helpful to people, especially if they watch other community content
The problem is, where do you stop? Some people call science packs beakers, others flasks, I just call them science. Some people call the utility science pack yellow, others call it gold. Some people call inserters "grabbers". There's a lot of alternate names. They could do a system where you could put your own alternate names in, but then how would that work in multiplayer?
But they did say they'd look at maybe doing something like that at the event.
@@trismugistus Anything up to but not including 'undergroundies' is reasonable I think.
I'm pretty sure there will be a mod for this, may be several mods with different aliases
@@trismugistus That flasks are obviously jokes. Most playes IMNHO agree on "yellow science" and "blue chips".
Yes! Especially for mods. I would like to type red and see red science, red chips, red assemblers, red belts, red pipes, red ammo, red inserters, red mechanical facility, etc.
Nice. Something to tide me over whilst i wait for this weeks FFF
Same here
Should be up mid-day UK time tomorrow (Saturday) :)
21:20 Seablock veterans will probably not be disturbed by this.
I wonder if the factoriopedia could hide content that isnt discoovered. Maybe tied to the tech tree (and the same event triggers). Seems like a shame to have the wiki spoil things after all this build up 😅
It would be tricky to do, and a lot of work just to cover off your first playthrough.
Excellent commentary as always! Much appreciated!
That's very kind, thank you :)
re: new map gen - I think this is the first mention I've come across of there being bodies of water akin to seas now in the base map gen!
I love the Cargo Ships mod, but I never did a proper game with it. Fiddling with 1.0's (and previous) map gen, I seem to only get it to place enough water for long shipping lines if I give up on also having enough land for long train lines. Hopefully 2.0 Nauvis will give me seas *and* continents, and stop forcing me to choose between them.
I think it should at least be closer - there are certainly some big bodies of water I've encountered.
One thing about fulgora that concerns me is the lightning flash VFX mostly at night time. In all the clips i've seen of nighttime fulgora some have left me feeling a bit discomforted due to how random it is, not that it's bad it just makes me feel a bit nauseated. I'd hope there's some method to tone down the flashing or off entirely. Otherwise REALLY excited to try the planet out
I'm not aware of an option for that, but I haven't specifically looked. I will feed it back but it might be worth highlighting the issue on the factorio forums / reddit.
thank u for muting alerts
No probs - it was kind heavy in some of the clips.
Thanks for this insights to your thoughts
No worries :)
I expect one of Gleba's techs will be the super landfill useable on the other planets, but ..even so, that doesn't make it a compelling 1st or 2nd option. In order to achieve a relative balance between the planets, the reward must make the mechanics/difficulties worthwhile, and must also be as desirable as the rewards the other planets provide. otherwise the situation becomes: do vulcanus & fulgora 1st and 2nd (probably in that order, but the opposite order is probaably fine, too), and only go to gleba when either a) you need the super landfill i expect is unlocked there, or: it's necessary to get the science/tech path unlocked to reach the final planet.
I can't really talk about what you get there until after the embargo, but there have been tweaks. It's still a personal preference thing though, which is what they're going for.
"The lightning isn't that big of a deal if you have SHIELDS ON"
WHAT???!! Building shields???
I know there's player shields which have been in the game for a long time, but this makes it sound more like there's protective building shields, maybe like bubble shields.
Ah, no, sorry for the confusion, I was referring to personal shields. The lightning rods do provide a protective bubble, though.
There are capsules landing on both the command center and the storage expansions, on the space platform. It makese no sense because it wasn't like the capsules in the storage expansions got there when the command center was busy...
Yes, not sure what logic it uses for working out whee to show them, tbh.
@@trismugistus Or you are just bamboozling us with your cunning British intellect! Hmm...
@@VerySeriousUser I mean, could be both :P
Thanks for the video. Have you played through the whole game yet? Or at least gotten to Aquilo?
We got to Aquilo in the LAN Party, but I've not made it there legitimately in my solo games after the event, no.
16:30 FISH BREEDING?!
So I have one question on my mind, maybe you can touch on that. I'm wondering if Nauvis as your "main, big production hub" is a given, or whether other planets, say Vulcanus could take that place?
As I see it, Vulcanus sounds like an interesting option for ramping up the big production due to the infinite resources; but Vulcanus also sounds like it will be difficult to secure a significantly large area to do just that.
Fulgora has the big advantage of swimming in higher tech (and I suspect recycling with quality modules from top-down rather than building with quality modules from the bottom-up is going to be much more effective?), lending itself to a great hub for quality item production, but then you have all those somewhat isolated "islands" that don't lend themselves well to big production (perhaps a bit of a city-block approach works, minus the "block" part of city block -- city islands?).
Nauvis has none of that, but reliable resources, a familiar enemy that is easy to drive away and very easy to claim land. You can go HUGE on nauvis, have all the space you ever need, but none of the fancy bonuses like lava or scrap.
So I wonder if in the end, Nauvis will remain the essential anchor for your playthroughs by virtue of having virtually infinite and easy to use space, or if the other planets are realistic alternatives to it?
Can you say something in that regard, what is your impression? Could you quickly transition in making Vulcanus your "main" planet, or will the worms just say "nuh-uh" to such an ambition?
I'll do my best to give some thoughts but it's a pretty complex thing to discuss. I suspect also that it'll be like the main game where people will try things and there'll be different strategies that are viable. A bit like main bus was something that developed over time and city blocks later still.
@@trismugistus Looking forward to the video!
Earlier I was also mulling something else over: different starting planets. I wonder how feasible it would be to make each of the 3 first planets a starting location, assuming you do unlock the core techs to get started on each. Probably going to be a mod for that at some point. Say starting on Gleba would be a straightforward deal, as it uses "coal power" and water pumps, so power is early tech, you just need to enable the fruit growing early on. Or Fulgora, if you had the scrap recycler available early. Might be something fun to experience.
Somehow, it seems like no one is actually *excited* about quality. At least none of the early access players I saw.
I thought about this - I haven't really seen anyone be excited about it as such, no. I think it's because it's a "modifier" system, rather than a specific new building or thing. So it's less tangible than something like a new building or belt tier.
But the reaction has been favourable, I'd say - people like it, but yeah, perhaps not properly excited.
It's also something that we were kinda encouraged not to dive too deep into early on - it can be a bit of a trap sinking lots of resources into it early on, especially without the recycler. And because most teams in the lan didn't really get to end game, I don't know that many of us played with it too much.
As someone who usually plays on Peaceful and generally doesn't interact with biters unless absolutely necessary, I was thinking of turning off Peaceful for Space Age in favour of heavily neutered biters (namely lowered effect from pollution and removing time-based evolution) so as to make a large chunk of the tech tree not a complete waste of science.
With that in mind, hearing that Nauvis combat became more challenging was very concerning to me and is making me reconsider my previous idea. How bad did the combat actually become and how would you suggest approaching it for a player who generally avoids the combat and defence mechanics of the game?
I can't really fully answer your question pre-embargo as there's a bit more to it. I will try and pick up these other questions, but I have a Q&A blog post where I'm asking people to put their questions and I can answer them in a video and livestream on the 14th (final planet and end-game excepted).
I can say that neutering the biters is still a pretty viable approach for customising your play experience.
the combat is a lot more balanced and everything is more viable
Nice man thanks. I may have missed it but have they explained how exactly qualily buildings are produced? Also are you concerned that it might take a long time for larger mods to become compatible with space age?
fff 379
@@GKinWor 379 doesn't mention quality or mods
375 was quality :)
It sort of explains it - it's based on modules, where, if you have a module in a machine then it has a chance of increasing the quality level.
If you have questions, you're probably best asking them in the Q&A blog post and I'll pick them up there for the video / Livestream.
In terms of mods, not sure if they've been explicit in the FFF, but any mod that involves one of the devs should be compatible (assuming it's not made its way into the core game :)) and they've given key mod makers access to the v2 modding api documentation, and quite a few were at the lan party / are beta testers. Wube loves its modders as I believe that's where some of the devs (maybe even kovarex?) got started :).
I think it's likely big mods will be compatible very quickly, but smaller stuff depends on if its maintained.
What is the last planet? ice?
Edit: if yes, i sus there is some heat mechanic that one has to playaround in order to not freeze the factory
I can't really give you an answer until the embargo lifts. I will do my best to pick these up but you're best to put them in the q&a post if you want to be sure of an answer :)
ha, as i said, ice with heat mechanic :D im so good
12:05 "wire stay attached when you move combinators" ? What does that mean? If you control X to rebuild the newly placed combinator will still be coupled in whatever configuration you had it?
yeh, I think its exactally that, they mentioned it in FFF-402
Yes, it's what they talked about in FFF 402 - if you cut and paste a combinator, the wires will stay with the same connections.
I WANT ALL THE SPOILERS ASAP :)
lol, well, I'm sure there will be plenty of spoilers come the 14th... and plenty of spoilage from the 21st! (ho ho ho)
So what was the problem on Gleba, now that you can actually talk about it?
If it’s very easy to get rockets going from fulgora, why do you think you need a big nauvis base first? Why not just rush to fulgora and use stuff from there to make your rockets?
I kinda explained in the video - I'm not necessarily saying big, I am saying productive and efficient. I'm pretty sure bootstrapping each planet will (for me) be both tedious and difficult on some planets, so I think it's better that Nauvis can build platforms and provide you with stuff via platforms.
But for others that may be fun and I'm sure other strategies are viable - depends on if grinding out the same stuff on each planet is your cup of tea, or if you'd just rather have Nauvis build things and platforms ship them in.
Plus, as I said, Fulgora has space and power challenges, so building there has its own issues (which you can alleviate by delivering stuff from Nauvis...).
If you want more detail you're best off asking in the Q&A thread, because I can't give detail until the embargo lifts.
i have put about 165 hours into this game and never launched a rocket 😢
A lot of players don't - some I've seen on reddit take until over 800 hours before they launch one. It's one of those games, tbh - the fun is in the designing and the ongoing challenge, not necessarily the end-goal :)
were there new hotkeys shortcuts etc?
Yes, a few, but they're conscious that the game has a lot of shortcuts, so they try to avoid new ones.
If you want detail, I'd suggest posting in the Q&A blog post and I can answer more fully there.
Music is too loud and very distracting.
Version without music - ruclips.net/video/sCdNVVYZ4hA/видео.html
@@trismugistus thanks! you're awesome.