Beautiful guitar but like in the watch world, it’s needs to be the same exact model. I can deal with the swapped tuners and Indian rosewood but that headstock is a deal breaker for anyone wanting a “Trigger” like guitar. It looks too “classical”. Beautiful video and guitar regardless.
How about trying to sell yours directly to Willie and get the best of both worlds?! I’m sure Willie will never stop playing his best friend in public (which, as I recall from a Willie Interview, came with a matching amp as a set), but in the privacy of his home, he might very well enjoy and connect with the experience of playing this model in a much better condition to remind him of what Trigger was like years ago. I don’t know how his longtime guitar tech keeps Trigger alive to this day. I’ve seen a few RUclips videos of the tech doing work on Trigger. It’s unbelievable how he manages to keep sound coming out of Trigger years after he first told Willie it would likely not be repairable the next time. I don’t think there’s any shame in waiting to sell. This is your livelihood and business, after all. If the guitar isn’t speaking to you and you don’t want it for your personal collection, then I think it’s fine to hold onto it and wait for a respectable period of time after Willie inevitably passes. It’s not like you purposely purchased this specific model to flip with the intent of waiting for him to croak - you purchased it as part of a collection, and given the nature of your business and that you sell guitars for a living, you stand to gain much more value by waiting. Think of what that could do for your family. Out of curiosity, is there any idea how many of these models are still surviving from the same year Trigger was purchased? It would be neat if you could find one of the matching amps to demo this guitar on. I’d love to hear what it might have sounded like as a boxed set.
I got both a N20 AND a 000-21 from 1970 as a gift from one of my students. She was barely playing them anymore and wanted me to have them as I would use them often. I didn’t want to accept but she insisted. True story. Great guitars and I do try to play them weekly as a tribute to me dear student.
Another really good topic, guitar are meant to be owned and played, for someone to want to sell this guitar after Willie passed away, ain’t no friend of mine. Keep up the good work, enjoying your content immensely
Would not count on that going up after Willie passes on. With it being a long scale and Indian Rosewood it could be from 1980 as its not much of a comparison for the 69’. Also I’ve noticed the minute a star dies the market gets flooded with that model driving prices lower actually. However the star association will cement values of the Brazilian 1969 models over the next 30 years. They are a good investment.
I often think about the same thing. I have some high end memorabilia that I know will appreciate when that artist passes on, but I feel so awful about myself and morally wrong when think about it. I don’t feel right about banking on someone’s death. Especially an artist that brought me joy and inspiration when I was growing up. It makes me very sad to even think of them gone. That said, when your thinking about retirement and financial stability, wherever you can find it, then I’d wait.
Nut width is 2 1/8”, so a 1/4” bigger than what you stated in the video. It’s a different animal entirely than Trigger. If you want Trigger’s tone you need to buy a Martin 00-28G. John Huber designed the N series then redesigned it. It ended up being made shallower just to fit the Martin thermoplastic case. The guitars made 1970 on are difficult to play bc of the 26.44” scale and 2 1/8” nut width.
It is a morbid subject! I collect handmade pocket knives and it's the same way with a handmade knife! For example, when Tony Bose of CASE knives fame died not long back all of his products he designed or built himself went up to a whole new price point level setting the bar for cost to an all time high for a pocket knife by the man and the knives he made were already thousands of dollars each when alive so you can only imagine the prices now! So, from a purely financial focus you must wait for the one associated with the item to maximize your profit if that is what you seek from the sale!
Actually you're right it was a Harmony but nothing of that survived a drunk broke it nothing was able to b saved but pickup it which gives it its unique sound and the Baldwin amp and then he put that on the N20 and the rest is history
It wasn’t a Harmony, it was a Baldwin. Willie was endorsed with them at the time. That’s why they took the Baldwin prismatone pickup out of it, and put it in the N-20, after the Baldwin was destroyed.
Are you sure about that scale and nut width? 26 3/8 puts it at 670mm. This is longer than any typical classical guitar or even a flamenco. Also, a nut width of 1 7/8 is around 48 mm, which is actually very narrow for anything with nylon strings. 52mm is seen as standard and thinner than 50mm is very atypical.
@@JeremySheppard Clearly an instrument intended for someone with giant hands, yet very slender fingers. Also, can recommend that you learn a little classical repertoire (even just stuff like Lagrima, Sakura or Malagueña if you're feeling a little flamenco). I know it's probably not in your wheelhouse, but a lot of it's public domain and there's no need to worry about the copyright overlords.
I was wondering about the title and where you were headed with this video. Should have known it was the old bait and switch! Haha! You are always more concerned about people and building a better community! You’re great for guitar lovers and have a heart for good things and loving others. Great video and keep sharing!
Jeremy, I never heard you talk that fast before. My first suggestion, less coffee... That guitar might be the newer version of Willie's Trigger but it is nothing like his guitar. Not just the headstock and the kind of rosewood (which is a big deal), the bridge is completely different. And then there is all the wear and tear plus extra soundhole caused by abuse. So, I wouldn't say it is almost "a Trigger." To convince a collector the guitar you have is the same as Willie's Trigger would indeed take some fast talking. On the other hand, since that guitar is a connection to your kindergarten teacher and her husband, I personally would recommend keeping it for sentimental reasons. (Which explains three guitars in my collection that I hardly ever play...)
I sell guitars when I no longer use them. Holding on to a guitar for the price to go up is risky. Yes, they should go up in price as inflation goes up but that makes it all a wash. Will there be more interest in this guitar after the passing of Willie? I don't think it will be enough to cause the guitar to increase in value by very much.
If you're a business man and your friend doesn't need money now, wait. That guitar is going to have a limited market even with the Nelson connection. It's not a Strat. But take advantage of it as that guitar can use a little help. It doesn't make you a bad person. The Spiritual stuff is best applied to each other. Not inanimate (i love them anyway) objects.
My mother in-law has a 1968 Martin N-20 guitar that I am trying to find out what the value is right now and I am reaching a dead end. She bought it brand new in 1968, I checked the serial number and it corresponds with the year and it is great condition.
So did all the Old Gibson's already find new homes or are they not up on your site yet? Not that I can afford a old vintage Gibson. Lol.. I do currently have some newer Gibson's though. Lol.. I've never owned a Gibson SJ and I can't begin to tell how bad I want one!! (Preferably newer) As stupid as it might sound to some I'd even think about possibly trading/Selling my Gibson AJ, for the "Perfect" Gibson SJ!! The reason being like yourself I just prefer Mahogany back and side Guitars.. Cool video today btw! 🤘
Hybrid answer: if the profit was only for you, sell it now, because your question has already tweaked your ethics. If you were selling for her on consignment, go for max dollars. It’s the personal gain that is most bothersome. If you were doing it for someone else, you’d want them to get the most out of the sale.
Keep it unless you would be willing do donate the difference in the price to who ever you are selling it to. That is the way the market works. Willy won't give a damn whether he's alive or not. It's not Trigger which will go into the Hall of Fame and given it's condition yours may actually be worth more in it's authentic condition with its small faults than if it were fixed.
You didn't buy it for the express purpose of waiting it out. You bought it fair & square for what it was. Maybe slide your former kindergarten teacher a portion when you do sell it? Also, don't put it up for sale the second the news comes. And it will come. It's heavy shit. But it's not much different than gram or gramps, or mom or dad, asking you want when they pass. They know some, or a lot, of their stuff's going to get sold and they're hoping it helps you. I don't think Willy would have a problem with it, either, much for the same reason. He's a pragmatic guy, and for cryin' out loud you're not wishing him dead! Off topic: PLEASE offer your Guitar Hunter logo as a patch! I'd love a big one for my jacket and a small one for a strap. I get more compliments on my GH shirt, and that logo, than any other shirt. Check John Corabi's site and see what he's go going for a patch and a strap.
I had a 1964 Martin 00-28C that has been "permanently" borrowed (stolen!). I know it isn't a N-20 but I absolutely loved the sound of it and it was immaculate when I had it. Can't go wrong with older Martin guitars!
Willie is going to die at some point like everyone else, lets not act like its some weird dirty trick on your part to sell something. George Gruhn has theorized the price of MOST vintage acoustics and electrics will tank as the boomers die off because boomers associate them with these famous players that were relevent in their youths. His words not mine. Imagine buying a 59 goldtop in 30 years for 2 grand.
Smash it up - don't let anybody profit off Willie - better yet, make a video and play a famous song on the guitar, then smash it to smithereens. Make a catchy video title - something like "Willies guitar explodes when it learns the great one is gone"... Sorry, just had to let this idea out... :((( (Edit: the one you smash does not have to be the "real" one)
You offer your intellect about musical instruments and your passion for the endeavor then you just slander a musician who’s probably got more talent in his shadow than you. Idk dude maybe it’s time to step back a little
@@JeremySheppard I summised that from the comments section & what you said in the begining but the title & opening words were enough for me. Switch & bait and clickbaity, I get it. But at what cost ? You a good dude but I reckon you're wrong on this one. It's in bad taste, gives off the wrong impression.
I understand that. The reality is that lots of people I know in the guitar buying world are doing this, even if I would not do it and think it is in very bad taste. I wrestled with taking this video down for the last 24 hours, it is a genuine coincidence. I'm in the "get people's attention" world. This was the angle I went with this one.
yes it is. My mother in-law has a 1968 martin n-20 guitar and 1968 matches the serial number. It's in excellent condition and I'm trying to find out what the value is because she wants to sell it.
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Sell it now. Let Willie live, he's a national treasure.
His sister died, Willie next
Unfortunate timing for this video. Willie’s sister (who sang with him) passed away yesterday. That’s big news down here in Texas.
I love this N20 because Willie Nelson plays one of these guys.
Beautiful guitar but like in the watch world, it’s needs to be the same exact model. I can deal with the swapped tuners and Indian rosewood but that headstock is a deal breaker for anyone wanting a “Trigger” like guitar. It looks too “classical”. Beautiful video and guitar regardless.
How about trying to sell yours directly to Willie and get the best of both worlds?! I’m sure Willie will never stop playing his best friend in public (which, as I recall from a Willie Interview, came with a matching amp as a set), but in the privacy of his home, he might very well enjoy and connect with the experience of playing this model in a much better condition to remind him of what Trigger was like years ago.
I don’t know how his longtime guitar tech keeps Trigger alive to this day. I’ve seen a few RUclips videos of the tech doing work on Trigger. It’s unbelievable how he manages to keep sound coming out of Trigger years after he first told Willie it would likely not be repairable the next time.
I don’t think there’s any shame in waiting to sell. This is your livelihood and business, after all. If the guitar isn’t speaking to you and you don’t want it for your personal collection, then I think it’s fine to hold onto it and wait for a respectable period of time after Willie inevitably passes. It’s not like you purposely purchased this specific model to flip with the intent of waiting for him to croak - you purchased it as part of a collection, and given the nature of your business and that you sell guitars for a living, you stand to gain much more value by waiting. Think of what that could do for your family.
Out of curiosity, is there any idea how many of these models are still surviving from the same year Trigger was purchased? It would be neat if you could find one of the matching amps to demo this guitar on. I’d love to hear what it might have sounded like as a boxed set.
It's Indian rosewood and a different headstock....not sure if it is close enough to Trigger to double or triple in price
True.
I got both a N20 AND a 000-21 from 1970 as a gift from one of my students. She was barely playing them anymore and wanted me to have them as I would use them often. I didn’t want to accept but she insisted. True story. Great guitars and I do try to play them weekly as a tribute to me dear student.
Another really good topic, guitar are meant to be owned and played, for someone to want to sell this guitar after Willie passed away, ain’t no friend of mine. Keep up the good work, enjoying your content immensely
Willie's sister Bobbie passed away at 91 yesterday I think.
Would not count on that going up after Willie passes on. With it being a long scale and Indian Rosewood it could be from 1980 as its not much of a comparison for the 69’. Also I’ve noticed the minute a star dies the market gets flooded with that model driving prices lower actually. However the star association will cement values of the Brazilian 1969 models over the next 30 years. They are a good investment.
Ironic that Bobbie Nelson passed yesterday.
Speculating on someone’s death is gross, sell it!
Probably most of us will die before Willie..I'd say sell it!
Willie and Keith
@@JeremySheppard , that was what I said when I read that...KEIF! he'll outlive us all!
I often think about the same thing. I have some high end memorabilia that I know will appreciate when that artist passes on, but I feel so awful about myself and morally wrong when think about it. I don’t feel right about banking on someone’s death. Especially an artist that brought me joy and inspiration when I was growing up. It makes me very sad to even think of them gone. That said, when your thinking about retirement and financial stability, wherever you can find it, then I’d wait.
Nut width is 2 1/8”, so a 1/4” bigger than what you stated in the video. It’s a different animal entirely than Trigger. If you want Trigger’s tone you need to buy a Martin 00-28G. John Huber designed the N series then redesigned it. It ended up being made shallower just to fit the Martin thermoplastic case. The guitars made 1970 on are difficult to play bc of the 26.44” scale and 2 1/8” nut width.
Thanks for clarifying. It's a different guitar for sure but still sounds great.
Trigger is a superb guitar with that Baldwin pickup.......
I sold those new back in the 70's and later. I thought that they were very well made and good sounding. Wish I could remember who bought them.
It is a morbid subject! I collect handmade pocket knives and it's the same way with a handmade knife! For example, when Tony Bose of CASE knives fame died not long back all of his products he designed or built himself went up to a whole new price point level setting the bar for cost to an all time high for a pocket knife by the man and the knives he made were already thousands of dollars each when alive so you can only imagine the prices now! So, from a purely financial focus you must wait for the one associated with the item to maximize your profit if that is what you seek from the sale!
Pretty sure Willie’s guitar was a harmony that he broke and the person who fixed used a Martin to make it playable again such as the neck 👍
Actually you're right it was a Harmony but nothing of that survived a drunk broke it nothing was able to b saved but pickup it which gives it its unique sound and the Baldwin amp and then he put that on the N20 and the rest is history
It wasn’t a Harmony, it was a Baldwin. Willie was endorsed with them at the time. That’s why they took the Baldwin prismatone pickup out of it, and put it in the N-20, after the Baldwin was destroyed.
Willie’s guitar before the Martin was a Baldwin made by harmony with a Baldwin prismatone pickup. The prismatone ended up as “Trigger’s” pickup.
In 1999 they made a " trigger" 300 were manufactured....❤
Dunno about Willie.
But what does a guitar like this cost as is? With some of the work on it still to be done?
$4000'ish probably
Are you sure about that scale and nut width? 26 3/8 puts it at 670mm. This is longer than any typical classical guitar or even a flamenco.
Also, a nut width of 1 7/8 is around 48 mm, which is actually very narrow for anything with nylon strings. 52mm is seen as standard and thinner than 50mm is very atypical.
I'm sure of the scale length. I double checked gruhns before this and double checked with a tape measure. Not sure on nut width.
@@JeremySheppard Clearly an instrument intended for someone with giant hands, yet very slender fingers.
Also, can recommend that you learn a little classical repertoire (even just stuff like Lagrima, Sakura or Malagueña if you're feeling a little flamenco). I know it's probably not in your wheelhouse, but a lot of it's public domain and there's no need to worry about the copyright overlords.
I bought a nylon string guitar just to play willie nelson tunes... love willie and his style
Sale it someone will enjoy having it not that many out there thanks for sharing
Jeremy, mission accomplished. You have helped keep some very vulnerable people from being ripped off, and made me smile more than once. Thanks!
Jeremy - did you end up selling the N-20? I'm looking for a N10 or 20 so thought I'd ask.
This one's long gone.
Don't be that guy man , I respect u
Did you watch the video?
Yep and I know what you were going for but just leaves bad taste.
What makes you think that guitar is going to last as long as Willie?
I was wondering about the title and where you were headed with this video. Should have known it was the old bait and switch! Haha! You are always more concerned about people and building a better community! You’re great for guitar lovers and have a heart for good things and loving others. Great video and keep sharing!
Jeremy, I never heard you talk that fast before. My first suggestion, less coffee... That guitar might be the newer version of Willie's Trigger but it is nothing like his guitar. Not just the headstock and the kind of rosewood (which is a big deal), the bridge is completely different. And then there is all the wear and tear plus extra soundhole caused by abuse. So, I wouldn't say it is almost "a Trigger." To convince a collector the guitar you have is the same as Willie's Trigger would indeed take some fast talking. On the other hand, since that guitar is a connection to your kindergarten teacher and her husband, I personally would recommend keeping it for sentimental reasons. (Which explains three guitars in my collection that I hardly ever play...)
Is it common for a classical to belly. Alot less string tension. ZAC BROWN AND PAVLO are the musicians that made me get a classical.
I see they sell the new Prizmatone pickups now and are selling a new guitar with one for over 6K
Dude, Willie's 156 years old. How long a wait are you anticipating here? lol
I sell guitars when I no longer use them. Holding on to a guitar for the price to go up is risky.
Yes, they should go up in price as inflation goes up but that makes it all a wash.
Will there be more interest in this guitar after the passing of Willie?
I don't think it will be enough to cause the guitar to increase in value by very much.
Wow, love that bit of playing at 8:24. Is that an original? Well done sir.
If you're a business man and your friend doesn't need money now, wait. That guitar is going to have a limited market even with the Nelson connection. It's not a Strat. But take advantage of it as that guitar can use a little help. It doesn't make you a bad person. The Spiritual stuff is best applied to each other. Not inanimate (i love them anyway) objects.
Sounds great
Jeremy, are you sure that is East Indian rosewood? Man, that looks a lot like Brazilian to me.
be careful what you wish for.........Willie may out live us!
Sorry,that guitar is worth much less than the Brazilian 1969. Maybe 1/3.
My mother in-law has a 1968 Martin N-20 guitar that I am trying to find out what the value is right now and I am reaching a dead end. She bought it brand new in 1968, I checked the serial number and it corresponds with the year and it is great condition.
Willie's guitar "Trigger" belongs in the Smithsonian after he passes. There is no other place for it that would be more suitable.
Willie will outlive us all 😂
Interested in the N20
Email info@jeremysheppard.com
Willie will outlive you. :)
So did all the Old Gibson's already find new homes or are they not up on your site yet? Not that I can afford a old vintage Gibson. Lol.. I do currently have some newer Gibson's though. Lol.. I've never owned a Gibson SJ and I can't begin to tell how bad I want one!! (Preferably newer) As stupid as it might sound to some I'd even think about possibly trading/Selling my Gibson AJ, for the "Perfect" Gibson SJ!! The reason being like yourself I just prefer Mahogany back and side Guitars..
Cool video today btw! 🤘
They'll be up for sale Today or tomorrow on jeremytheguitarhunter.com
I want to buy it !!
What do u want for it
$5500
I want that shirt!
Man, that guitar is already worth a ton sell that thing.
Hybrid answer: if the profit was only for you, sell it now, because your question has already tweaked your ethics. If you were selling for her on consignment, go for max dollars. It’s the personal gain that is most bothersome. If you were doing it for someone else, you’d want them to get the most out of the sale.
Hold it Jeremy.. when he goes, the insanity will begin. Then, those beautiful words we all wait to hear; “let the bidding begin.”
I thought she was going to keep that one 🤔
She's going to keep the Juan Huipe
Keep it unless you would be willing do donate the difference in the price to who ever you are selling it to. That is the way the market works. Willy won't give a damn whether he's alive or not. It's not Trigger which will go into the Hall of Fame and given it's condition yours may actually be worth more in it's authentic condition with its small faults than if it were fixed.
Willies' sister, Bobbi, just died at age 91. Sell it now. George in Montana
Oh man, that's really sad.
You didn't buy it for the express purpose of waiting it out. You bought it fair & square for what it was. Maybe slide your former kindergarten teacher a portion when you do sell it? Also, don't put it up for sale the second the news comes. And it will come. It's heavy shit. But it's not much different than gram or gramps, or mom or dad, asking you want when they pass. They know some, or a lot, of their stuff's going to get sold and they're hoping it helps you.
I don't think Willy would have a problem with it, either, much for the same reason. He's a pragmatic guy, and for cryin' out loud you're not wishing him dead!
Off topic: PLEASE offer your Guitar Hunter logo as a patch! I'd love a big one for my jacket and a small one for a strap. I get more compliments on my GH shirt, and that logo, than any other shirt.
Check John Corabi's site and see what he's go going for a patch and a strap.
I had a 1964 Martin 00-28C that has been "permanently" borrowed (stolen!). I know it isn't a N-20 but I absolutely loved the sound of it and it was immaculate when I had it. Can't go wrong with older Martin guitars!
Did you buy the guitar or does his wife need the money and you are selling it for her?
Selling on consignment
Willie is going to die at some point like everyone else, lets not act like its some weird dirty trick on your part to sell something. George Gruhn has theorized the price of MOST vintage acoustics and electrics will tank as the boomers die off because boomers associate them with these famous players that were relevent in their youths. His words not mine. Imagine buying a 59 goldtop in 30 years for 2 grand.
Insensitive timing.
Tell me about it. Genuinely unintended. Should I take it down?
Yes, I reckon
Never sell it. Just keep it and play it.
Smash it up - don't let anybody profit off Willie - better yet, make a video and play a famous song on the guitar, then smash it to smithereens. Make a catchy video title - something like "Willies guitar explodes when it learns the great one is gone"... Sorry, just had to let this idea out... :((( (Edit: the one you smash does not have to be the "real" one)
Chances are we're all gonna die before Willie. Sell her lol.
Direct sounds crap
Low E is sharp
Just keep it and put it away in a corner and forget about it for the next 20 years 🤣
You offer your intellect about musical instruments and your passion for the endeavor then you just slander a musician who’s probably got more talent in his shadow than you. Idk dude maybe it’s time to step back a little
Sugarmama, I'm not sure where he is slandering anyone.. Please elaborate. Jeremy is a good guy and I'm sure he means no disrespect.
I deal in vintage collectibles. I find the title of this video disturbing & untactful. I am unsubscribing because it is disrespectful.
Watch the video and you'll see I'm absolutely not headed in that direction
@@JeremySheppard I summised that from the comments section & what you said in the begining but the title & opening words were enough for me. Switch & bait and clickbaity, I get it. But at what cost ? You a good dude but I reckon you're wrong on this one. It's in bad taste, gives off the wrong impression.
I understand that. The reality is that lots of people I know in the guitar buying world are doing this, even if I would not do it and think it is in very bad taste.
I wrestled with taking this video down for the last 24 hours, it is a genuine coincidence. I'm in the "get people's attention" world. This was the angle I went with this one.
Bad taste and poor timing, unsubscribing. I realize the timing was unintentional, but even the title is poor to the point I didn't want to watch it.
Genuinely unfortunate. Did you watch the video or are you offended just by the thumbnail?
@@JeremySheppard I watched the video after you changed the title. The original title felt a bit crass and disrespectful to me.
w t f ? !
Trigger’s a 69, buddy.
yes it is. My mother in-law has a 1968 martin n-20 guitar and 1968 matches the serial number. It's in excellent condition and I'm trying to find out what the value is because she wants to sell it.