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All I remember is that Yoshi and his team keep pushing that this expac will be like going on a vaca. Imagine the whiplash I got when I saw that it is is just a big baby sitter gig...
I feel like the devs went on a lackluster vacation to Central America with a bored tour guide while watching somebody's child bounce off the walls of the tour bus, and thought 'Yes, this is exactly how vacations are.'
My expectation for DT was something along ARR 2.0. A low-stake but still intriguing plotline. Some conflicts that linger in the background to bite me in the ass if I'm not careful. But everything was solved within a handful of quests. Unimportant stuff got dragged on forever and important stuff was rushed like hell. And then, all of a sudden we were confronted with another world ending doom. No proper buildup. It was just there. Right in our faces. it was like: "There you have it. Now get emotional". Thats not how things work. Player got emotional in the expansions before because of the buildup. Because of the friendships and connections we as the WoL build during our journey. Because the characters we met felt like real people with relateable flaws and not like some perfect cardboard cutout. These characters made us feel through their actions and their doing, not because they told us what to feel like it happened in DT. For me DT feels like two different expansions butchered into one.
I agree with Quazii - I also think the most jarring thing overall with Dawntrail it's been handled like a different game. The communications are very different and less frequent, the marketing material doesn't seem to align with what we received, the quality control went from praiseworthy to just bad, the story quality went down DRAMATICALLY (and it's not about what HAPPENS in the story - it's about how it's written! Basic storytelling fundamentals, character writing, pacing), and despite the graphic update, it's looking cheap. Barely any new music (and very weird music placement), very little voice acting, very little gameplay...etc. It feels like something's going wrong at CBU3 right now, or like Quazii joked, SE just made it go into maintenance mode and we were not informed. Remember that documentary about saving FFXIV that everyone used to talk about and react to? I feel like YoshiP should rewatch it. There's things that he says that don't align with the way the game is being handled today. Because of the way he acted back then, they got a lot of good faith from the community to the point there were diehard defenders of whatever the dev team did, and that's why a lot of people during Endwalker still defended it, and we were waiting for the "filler episode" to be over - because we trusted them. Now a lot of time's gone by and they're exhausting that good faith, and as time goes by and he doesn't talk about the negative feedback, doesn't address the issues, more and more people get the feeling of getting left behind - something he talked about not wanting the 1.0 players to feel. The most worrying part however IS the story, and not only because it's so bad that I don't know what they will do in the future, but WHY has it become like that?! Why are the characters so off? Why is it written like it's for children? Why are there so many inconsistencies, like the writers didn't even read the story before it? How did they allow it to be released like that? Isn't this type of thing something they could've seen from the beginning? Arthars said at some point "Ishikawa is doing a good work supervising", but to me it feels like she didn't even read the story at all, because this is so below the quality level of the work we know from her. What is it that she is doing for FFXIV right now? YoshiP certainly didn't play the game, because he's been answering nonsense about the story in interviews, like he's referring maybe to an initial concept of it that didn't make it to the end. And also, I'm always getting the impression he is barely in the office anymore - he spent the entire year going to a lot of events everywhere in the world, and even his New Year's greeting was about planning for next Fanfest. Shouldn't there be more competent people in the team that they could trust that could tell something was wrong for the beginning and course correct? The big question is, what happened? I appreciate content creators talking about it. I don't like the idea of "can't talk about it or we're not going to the media tour again", and I really hope that isn't true and we get to see you both in the next one. YoshiP himself said "A complaint is worth twice a compliment" - if we're complaining, that means we still care! So I hope he remembers his own words right now.
They should also take a note of the First Descendant devs. They are the prime example of listening to the community, including feedback, cutting out the bs and innovating and innovating. Say what you want about the game but that's the reality. I feel like they are the very old guard of FFXIV but even better. Now we dont know how much of this is Yoshis doing or the higher ups meddling, but things need to be set right for sure.
I definitely agree that these are good discussions to be having, I do hope we can return to people praising the game again! I have a feeling the "can't talk about it or we're not going to the media tour again" isn't going to be an issue though considering that Zepla called the devs lazy and tore apart the game and still got invited back to media tour, it's clear the devs aren't against criticism for the game. I'm hoping that this story is just a fluke and we keep getting good content, the dungeons and trials are amazing content and the Arcadion is a phenomenal raid series, so if they put the same effort they're putting into gameplay and graphics then I'm optimistic about the future.
What I liked in the MSQ before that there were always events that made us think. That made us question our own viewpoints, our moral compass, our motives, our reasons. It was never ever only sunshine and rainbows. Our involvement had consequences for the good and the worse. HW for example. We made the truth public and our actions caused the destabilisation of the whole nation. People got injured because of our doing. Aymeric got stabbed and a child got thrown down from a church. In ShB we did similiar stuff in Eulmore. We uncover the truth and crushed everyones hope living there. The game showed us and let us experience that actions have consequences. That nothing is or can be undone with just a head nod or a smile. People of Garlemald rather died than trust us because they were told for years that we are the bad ones. In DT there is no moral compass, there are no consequences. Bakool Ja ja released a beast who was responsible for a lot of deaths and nobody cares. His actions had no consequences. Mamool Jas using eugenics because living under high trees, seeing no sun and eating only bananas isnt what they wanted for their life. All forgiven instantly because they had a bad time. The message in DT is: You can do cruel and terrible things but dont worry. Everything is forgotten and forgiven as long as you smile. Thats a horrible wrong message.
I think the game direction changed at some critical point in development. That is why a ton of story elements do not line up, random stuff is not voice acted etc. They chopped up whatever they had and put something different together for launch.
The thing is Square as a company is a decade behind trends. You can sort of see how they shifted in tone and overall handling of the community with DT. They went from very hands on and responsive (where most devs were like this mid 2000's- early 2010s). To very hands off, robotic and corporate (2015-2024 ish) on how they were handling the community as of now. Everything they have been doing currently is behind even the self-insertion of a flat character that checks all the right checkboxes instead of being organic in nature. That's sort of been Square's MO since the mid 2000s, always behind never leading.
The writing is juvenile, the pacing was waaaaaaay off. Its like a crappy shonen anime combined with a childrens show. They mashed Dawntrail and rushed and slowed again. Its the same as Endwalker, two expansions mashed into one. Why did they rush Endwalker to make Dawntrail? Were they really rushing for DAWNTRAIL? I think its arrogance and complacency both. THE START OF THE SAGA is not an excuse, YOU HAVE TO WRITE A GOOD STORY STILL.
I wish DT actually had been a beack vacation. Just had us go to Tural because we got a clue for a treasure hunt for the Golden City, Wuk could have been a happy go lucky kind of tour guide that introduced us to customs and guided us around instead of the stupid trials, we could have found Valigarmanda naturally while exploring some hidden ruins or something, and eventually found the Golden City where we could have just focused on Sphene, we think she's a friend but she's actually an evil AI thing trying to get info from us to get to Eorzea to eat everyone's souls, we beat her, get the cup, fun and drinks all around without all the childish Dora the Explorer Wuk baby sitting. I just hope the next expansion, they truly get it together. They can make a comeback, Stormblood 2.0, but I worry that so much bad stuff was not caught and fixed in DT. If they can't see the issues or don't care anymore, then the game is cooked.
The part where Arthars was talking about people having a break for a few years and 'will they still remember in a few years' yeeeah, I feel that. Every MMO kind of runs that risk, WoW and Destiny have already experienced their 'story heat-death' moments in a way and now it's FF's turn. A lot of people saw Legion as the culmination of the Warcraft 3 > WoW story. And BFA/Shadowlands heavily compounded that by nuking the rest of the threads. Similarly a tonne of people saw The Final Shape as the culmination of the Destiny story, and a lot of the community was already clinging on to just see the story through after the letdown of Lightfall. That's not me saying 'the Dawntrail situation was unavoidable'. If anything it's the opposite. Past experience tells us they NEEDED to cook with DT. Let the community know the best is yet to come. Even if people take a break, as a lot will now the story they personally invested in is resolved, you want that little voice in the back of their heads thats like 'yo, you should keep an eye on FF, it's gonna kick off later'. But I dont think DT managed to achieve that. If anything it seems to have done the opposite. Rather than showing how much the game can grow beyond its past confines, they've shown its potential to fall off now the tried and true formula can't be relied on. Personally I don't think it's all doom and gloom YET. I half-expected this kind of sentiment, I just didn't expect how justified it would be. I'm like Quazii, I came in during the golden age. Back end of Shadowbringers, finishing the MSQ JUST in time for EW release, and then being a daily since then. And man, it almost (note, i said ALMOST) gave me whiplash as bad as Shadowlands/Lightfall did. If I'm being honest those two other huge letdowns enhanced my love of FF14 because it was the satisfying payoff that WoW and Destiny denied me. This is gonna sound daft, but my first time playing through Amaurot I had an actual emotional moment when we entered the area after the 2nd boss. All of that disappointment from WoW and Destiny came flooding back and I was just like 'holy shit, THIS is what i was looking for all that time.' No storytelling through implication. It was ALL show, don't tell. We've implied this apocalypse for two expansions. Now walk through it and see it at the city level. Now go to space and see it at the planetary level. Now experience it in the current day. Now stop it. I know the community had its own feelings about how the Final Days was presented and explained and genuinely if I'd been here since the start I would have probably felt the same. But I wasn't. I was in this sweet spot where I hadnt caught all the earlier speculation, and a lot of the retconning that had happened was just my core canon because i didnt absorb enough of the previous canon before the retcons redefined it. So it just worked, and flowed, and carried through right to the end. My ONE gripe with EW's story is that the Final Days didnt spread aywhere near far enough. That one moment where Krile hallucenated it at the end got me really pumped because us forcing our way through Ultima Thule while the Final Days is gradually fucking up Old Sharleyan would have been the ultimate ticking clock. But I think they leaned away from that because the narrative of Ultima Thule needed a more gradual progression to tell its story. Which is their call, but I think they made the wrong one. We should have seen Ul Dah falling. Limsa overrun with fiends. Gridania on fire. We kind of had the same issue with Living Memory on a much larger scale, where the pacing of the zone narrative directly flew in the face of the world narrative. 'Oh shit this AI demigod is about to break through the barrier between realities and ivade other worlds to harvest its souls. Sounds like a good time for ice cream and chats with the locals'. Like ?????????????????. And the fact they crammed Krile's ENTIRE backstory exposition into this section that was already taking way longer than the overarcing story demanded was even worse. And the kicker? It was Wuk slowing us down with her constant i nEeD tO uNdErStAnD eVeRyThInG aBoUt EvErYoNe. No you don't. Shut up. I appreciated that it was like a cute inversion of Ultima Thule while also being an echo of Emet's ideology but with us in his shoes. I thought that was clever. But god damn whoever structured that last section of the MSQ needs to take some serious notes. Anyway I've yapped on for more than long enough. Tl;dr purely in terms of the narrative I don't know what to think at the minute. We'll just have to see how the rest of DT pans out cause lets be fair, StB .0 msq was kind of ehhh in a lot of the ways DT is. But .2 to .5 was absolute fire patch to patch. So there's hope. And I really really do hope cause I don't want this to be round 3. Ishikawa, save us.
Life is a cycle, bound to ups and downs, truly something a lot of people miss. No one can be king forever. Yet a lot of that is their own fault or the meddling of higher ups. Just look at WoW now for example, it's doing a comeback and going full swing at FFXIV.
13:00 IMO they did sorta "address" it, by NOT addressing it. The fact that the MSQ writer is NOWHERE TO BE FOUND in any community events tells me alot. Remember after Shadowbringers when they bought Ishikawa to PAX? When they came to PAX after DT they left the MSQ writer at home. IMO they are WELL aware of just how much we did not enjoy the DT MSQ.
It's a shame that Ishikawa is no longer the lead writer. I hope that Daichi Hiroi, Dawntrail's lead writer, can make a turn around and fix this msq story that he's made a mess of.
@@richardwicker8456 Im hoping he gets reassigned. We need a writer, not a 'that guy' writer. If you want to know what that means its basically someone who writes a character that is designed specifically to steal the spotlight away from the player characters. That is designed to make the players annoyed and push them away from the enjoyment. DT just feels like an overall disrespect to the player's agency as a whole.
The problem with the game is that its content doesn't last long enough or is not refreshing enough. As a retired raider who has now transitioned to being a casual player, I just want to enjoy my time in FFXIV with content I can return to every day-content that lasts longer than just a few hours. Additionally, there are many outdated systems in the game that need tweaking, especially concerning open-world content: Hunt System: It's been the same from Heavensward to the present, lacking innovation. Fates: Since A Realm Reborn (ARR) through to Endwalker (DW), they've essentially been copy-pasted without introducing anything new or interesting. Housing: This aspect also feels outdated and in need of updates. Maps: Similarly, there's nothing new here. Beyond these points, there's little incentive to revisit older areas, as we've been engaging with these same systems for over 10 years without any groundbreaking new ideas being introduced.
My personal Cope is that CBU3 gave free reins to the juniors member for the story. As the boys from GG pointed out the tone of the story appears to be from a significantly younger perspective unlike what we had so far. In an interview Fromsoftware's Miyasaki said that one of their keys to success and transmission of knowledge from senior to junior was letting their juniors the opportunity to fail as a learning experience (albeit in project of lower scope). Still thats just my pet theory but given the expansion is a new beginning and as Yoshi-P pointed out they didnt quite know where to start with yet and anticipated multiple way to go from depending on what was well received, i feel like that would be the best time for that if any. I feel like the story aside the rest of the expansion is pretty similar in quality to what we had so far, the only part of DT that feel like kind of sore point to me is we were kinda promised like 200% content or something and so far its been very much like ew hopefully 7.2 onwards. edit: Funnily, i would prolly not engage in that content in the first place, but it feels like being finessed.
Here's the problem some content creators don't get about Chaotic Alliance Raid because they're known or have a community willing to prog with them for hours. Casual players that have 2 or 3 hours a day or a week cannot stay long in PF to prog it. You end up spending most of your time waiting for the alliance to fill up than the time you actually prog. Then a couple of people quit and the alliance breaks. It disheartens people to keep going because it's cursed. too many moving parts, too many possible points of failure. That's what makes it harder to clear, not the mechanics.
I kinda agree that it seems like XIV wasn't planned to live this long. They probably didn't have a general road map of what features they planned ahead. If they did have road map, they would've slowly entangled the so called spaghetti code to make way for future features and not getting road block of unable to implement features due to spaghetti code these days. Unfortunately, this may mean that we won't get any revolutionary features any time soon due to the spaghetti code. If it's not for SE finance is not going too well these days, it's probably better to just make new MMO after EW. 8.0 will probably gonna be a make it or break it expansion for XIV. I hope they can get things together during this patch cycle and learn from all the criticism. We know many people still love this game since they still criticize it. When no one criticize it anymore, no one left that care for the game.
This was an expansion based on lies. The biggest one was the implicit promise of maintaining Yoshi-P and CE3 quality. I have zero evidence, but I believe FFXIV is in maintenance mode, either the people involved moved to other projects or positions or the team is seriously under budgeted. Baffling turn of events given that FFXIV is SE more profitable product.
Wonder if the team has been moved to development of a new MMO. It would make sense. FFXIV is getting pretty long in the tooth. It takes years to bring an MMO to launch. Now would be a good time to start that process.
Just went and looked at the time difference between 11 and 14. 11 launched, in Japan, in 2002. 2.0 for 14 launched in 2013. A difference of 11 years. FFXIV is now 12 years old. It makes sense theyre working on the next one.
My main issue, since Shadowbringers really, has been the job/role design. It is the lens through which you experience all combat gameplay, so if that lens is bad it will sour the entire experience. No matter how good they make the mechanics, the raids, the dungeons or whatever new battle content they introduce, if the jobs I'm playing are boring then the fun will run out fast and nothing but monotony is left. Bad job design hurts the overall replayability of all battle content. As a comparison the story in Stormblood wasn't exactly amazing either but I had no issue running the exact same 3 dungeons over and over because just playing different jobs in it, even just the different tanks, gave you a different experience and distinctly different playstyle. Savage as well was a very different experience between playing Warrior, Paladin and Dark Knight or between Scholar, Astro and White Mage. But in the last two expansions I've not done the battle content more than absolutely necessary, even savage. Because playing a different job within any of the support roles barely changes anything, they play so similarly that you just kind of go through the motions and the almost absent minded nature of it makes me lose interest quickly. I can only do my filler rotation, burst every 60 seconds, mitigate a buster every ~90 seconds or spam a filler spell and hit an oGCD heal/mit every minute for so long before I get fed up with performing the exact same actions in the exact same rhythm over and over.
Everyone is speaking about dawntrail, without realizing that endwalker was already the problem. Nothing new at all except sanctuary island (a solo content in a mmorpg, gg). The msq is not only the problem but everyone only speak about the story...
That compounds the point they make though. FF is one of those games where as long as the story cooks, everything else can survive purely on its merit. EW is the biggest example of that because you're right, it was hugely lacking in other content. but it was still huge by the end of EW because the story carried it the whole way. DT doesnt have that luxury because the story doesnt carry it. The one plus side of that is it almost seems like the team expected that and mitigated it by giving us 10/10 battle content. But that only works for so long. If the story doesnt pick up, sooner or later it wont matter what kind of fire battle content they add because no one will see it
The writing should be on the wall when Viera/Hrothgar aren't being fixed for 7 years now. As long as SE denies ff14 the budget and the team isn't compassionate about the game (like the poor writing). Nothing can be saved. That's the bottom line.
I'd imagine "saving" and "salvage" could work one in the same, but in this case I think it's more important to salvage the community rather than the expansion. From the patch-pacing, to the launch day, to the PR statements: Nothing about Dawntrail feels like it could be redeemed (if we're following how the veterans have felt since...what, mid-Stormblood?), and already the long-time subscribers are waiting to see if 8.0 is the final nail in the coffin. It's not just Dawntrail; it's the entire system that has eroded with longer waiting periods and less content added to each one. It's the start of 2025, so we'll see how things progress, but I would temper my positive expectations at this point. I've already had the rug pulled from under me since Dawntrail launched and the entire sh*tshow that has unraveled since its debut, so I beg pardon when I say that I do not expect any endeavors from Square/FFXIV to reflect a manner that suggests they listen and respond well to constructive criticism. I'm not a long-time veteran, but I entirely agree with the sentiments being said about the Job system, combat, and the overall stale feeling that has been carried over. Giving new things to do masks that, but taking away GCDs, homogenizing them, and/or taking away unique spells and merging them (or flat out removing them) is a small detail that has merely been inflated with how poorly DT has been going. It's a long process of shaving off the iceberg until it gets to the point when they are overselling the value of the product (not to mention this is the most I've seen in errors, untranslated JP-to-EN, and disconnected storytelling in this game). Many a little makes a mickle, and I think DT is simply a culmination of many things building over time and the breaking point for many. You can still have fun, but I wouldn't call Dawntrail good by contrast to what has been, and what competitors have been giving for roughly the same price. I'll still watch and see what we get in the future, and if it's worth it to me then I'll keep playing and paying.
FRU is way easier than the last 2, but calling it easier than UWU or UCOB is a stretch. It is about on par with TEA. Those had lower clearrates on patch yes, but there were much less ultimate raiders and people weren't playing as well. There is nothing as hard as UR, Triple Apoc or Crystallize Time in any of those fights (except Wormhole).
7.0 made me quit my sub since i started playing with stormbloods first patch. I really don't see a point in returning for 8.0 even if the story looks good because I don't want to spend an hour skipping cutscenes and I'll be damned if I spend an extra 20$ or whatever on a story skip for 1 expacs patch content so now 8.0 also needs to have even MORE of the WOW! factor for me to return... and I'm an idiot that will spend 40$ or more a month on gacha games. ALso with Wuk Lamat, the issue is two fold. How she is written, and the voice actor was just okay. In a sea of great VA she hits like a brick wall. If you removed the VA, wk lamat would still be a shit character, but if you improved wuk lamats story the va would still hit like a ton of bricks... only real solution is to phase wuk lamat out of the story but I doubt they will. I dont think it's a coincidence that the expac that had a new lead writer is also the worst expac they've released.
I should be studying but I really want to hear your point of view on the whole XIV situation. One and a half hour podcast with Arthars and Quazii is insane :)
1:03:50 it would involve taking the game servers down for at best a couple of years. I support getting a better engine for ffxiv, but this is never going to happen when ffxiv is needed to provide funding for SE's other shit games
I like the relic grind cause all the older Final Fantssy games always have hidden relic to find in the game world so the FFXIV relic grind just brings back that grind to get the relic weapon shadowbringer done it so well.
I loved EW 6.0 a lot. But the patchcontent was halfbaked and felt like a big void. For me 7.0 is really bad. I truly was never so bored while doing MSQ. And still void and nothing interesting accessible to do.
Arthars is right on differences of how Japanese ppl consume content and westerners/others consume content. JP players approach content on I will play all, if I like it I will continue playing. If I don't like it I'll at least do it once, if I don't have the time I'll pick ones that are priority/important to me than clear the rest when I am done. While western/others players literally chooses the content from the get go and refuse to even visit or even touch the others and then we get the "I have nothing to do in this game." It shows on luckybancho statistics that JP time and time again always have high clear rates.
But even in the midst of the enduring japanese players uneasiness grows about recent developments - that is a bad sign. As I said, we dont know how "bad" it really is atm but things shouldn't get too dire.
Oh look, Arthars, a man of abuse (who has been banned multiple times because of it), and bad ideas (including berating the devs for not having skill trees before walking that back). Let's make our voices heard, but avoid dumb stuff like "cAn iT bE saVed!?". I get it it's easy clicks and mindlessly easy content to create, but we are seeing in real-time that a lot of issues raised in EW are being addressed. Let's have more than one data point and "vibes" before we declare that a game is dead and needs to be saved. Or just keep making drivel and further enrage people. Always thought we should be adding more Twitter into FFXIV. /s
8:57 i agree! And thinking about it, I feel like they did cut some parts out but at the wrong times because there were moments in the story that felt completely skipped 💀. Like Bakool Ja Ja releasing the world ending beast and NOBODY giving him grief for it??? Lmao surely there was a scene cut out
Honestly I don't think it was. It constantly cracks me up how right at the beginning before they all set off, they put a shittonne of emphasis on just how easy it would be to gt themselves disqualified by being sketchy. Bakool then proceeds to sketchy disqualifiable shit in EVERY SINGLE ZONE and everyones just like 'o nooo so scawy' Maybe it was meant to show the cultural perception of a Blessed Son. Like maybe they just didnt dare disqualify him because culture dictates it SHOULD be him. But if that was their intention, they didnt do anywhere near enough to let the viewer know that. Especially after Vali. The fact he just got to swan out of there with no repercussions was actually immersion-breaking. It made NO sense.
Bro this is awesome! Great to see you two on the same podcast, would love to see a third guest speaker in future podcast like zepla or lulu and have you guys talk about feature wishlist on how to innovate and update systems in this game cause god knows the game needs it
Thanks for the video, really good to listen to while at work. I'm going to take a break from the game for now as I feel like voting with your wallet is always the best approach when dealing with these sorts of large companies. Would love to hear you guys talk about other games as well in the future.
After today's bomb-lobbing by WoW regarding player housing, I think FFXIV has an uphill battle. Outdated housing/glamour systems weren't really tolerable when the story was good, but now with the story being as bad as it is... It's hard to stay motivated to keep playing, even with the gameplay being at its best quality for years.
All I'm gonna say is I've played WoW for 15 years and trust me bro, DO NOT get too invested in housing yet Blizzard are incredibly good at making new features sound like the game changer. But the reality of release usually brings those things crashing to the ground. I'm not saying this in an 'FF vs WoW' kind of way, functionally its going to improve on FF's iteration in a lot of ways purely because of how WoW is designed in the backend. It's modular in a way FF clearly isn't, hence the endless 'spaghetti code' meme. Buuuut speaking solely as a WoW veteran,. don't get your hopes up. Be cautiosly optimistic. It's always the best way to approach WoW content
@@MellowFungus Battle content is the most varied it's been in years. It also has one of the most unique fights we've had in years. The functionality of jobs in PvP has entirely changed. Every single job got some really solid additions to their kit. Every boss at the far end has had some unique, fresh mechanics. Like there's a million things you can say to criticise DT, but to say the battle content is stale and boring is just flat out insincere, and that's not helping anybody.
@@GorehowlBeardhead Don't worry, I've tried to get into WoW at least 5 times, but it never stuck with me. FFXIV by contrast was an instant match, at least when Shadowbringers came out.
That whole "people didn’t know what to expect" argument feels like a total cop-out. Anyone paying attention knew Chaotic was going to be a high-end fight, so acting like the surprise factor is the problem just misses the mark. The real issue is how miserable it is to engage with repeatedly. Like you said, it's completely doable-if you’ve got the patience and the right group-but the way it’s structured just doesn’t fit the raiding culture in NA/EU which is smaller, close knit and niche by design I might add. In comparison to JP data centers that have a different raid mentality. Even as someone who does EX's and Savage content - I'm not wasting time on Chaotic for it's bum rewards.
25:20: not to spam and this will be my last comment, but WoW also has a monopoly that most other games can't really rely on: nostalgia. Hey, is there a content drought on retail? No worries, play Classic WoW. Hey, are you getting bored of waiting for phased content to launch in Classic WoW? We gotcha covered, play some Season of Discovery where all we did was revamped some dungeons and raids and gave you retail spells in the form of runes to collect. Hey, are you bored of that now? Come back to retail, we have the Siren Isles coming out in a few hours... See what I mean? No other MMO can do that. Blizzard effectively made a streaming service out of their game. There's no content drought if you can keep recycling like this and keeping players within the WoW ecosystem. It creates a lot of differing opinions on what WoW should be, but it keeps longtime subs within the loot treadmill until their long and dead. None of this really relies on a "good story" like FFXIV. Just a sea of content. So to Arthas' point where JP players feel like they need to complete everything, I would like to add that all versions of WoW simply have too much to complete when seen as a whole. So the hamster in the WoW treadmill might not complete everything but they have an overabundance of content to complete. Look at how popular Hardcore WoW is and that's just what if Classic WoW but permadeath. This seems to be more of a western mindset where players want to play the same game over and over again but they want to feel like they have an opt-in to what version they want. With WoW, you may not complete every version of it, but you "feel" like you get your sub's worth because your 15USD gets you access to like 5 WoWs.
playing FFXIV fo 10 years i love the MMORPG game, but idk dawntrail has no relic grind dude wtf .... :( Dawntrail is the worst expact of FFXIV i started since heavensward and yeah i like the graphic upgrade, but the story of dawntrail is not good, they lost touch.
The relic is always added in later patches. In the .1 patch saying there is no relic grind is just pointless 😀 it will be there later. And yes at other expansions they added them also this late.
@@CRYPTiCEXiLE tbf I never finished one relic, I get bored of them really easily. I am waiting for this Cosmic exploration content to offer some new stuff. And I think they gonna do a relic similar to ShB, because too many people cried aout EW relic.
My one gripe with this is...... when did we start expecting relics in .1? Heavensward, .15 Stormblood, .25 Shadowbringers, .25 (barely) Endwalker, .25 (barely) Dawntrail - 'wtf why is it not in .1' Where did this come from? x] I can understand 'we need it more front loaded because there's not much in .1' but this implication that its somehow unusual is completely lost on me
@@GorehowlBeardhead maybe cause i didnt felt liek i had my relic grind fix in Endwalker i know what your saying its too soon, but man endwalker was terrible for the relic weapon anyhow .. if u like that sure, but i miss the shadowbringer relic grind man.
Maybe CBU3's quality control was being influenced by something? Something that wasn't there to influence their decisions while developing past expansions? Maybe we all know exactly what this was but can't admit it for some reason? But looking forward now that influence is gone, maybe things can go back to the way they were before...
I think that if you aren’t a raider and are someone genuinely invested in the story/more of a casual player, DT was a huge letdown. I think the reason that there are so many RP venues now is because there really isn’t much for casual players to do.
FFXIV needed ARR 2.0. Not Dawntrail. Return to the roots, to old places, stories and low stakes. Not "hey, let's just jump to the other side of the world to punch some cyberpunk aliens or whatever". When each expansion introduces more and more new stuff (like we had it before the Dawntrail), to clean the slate you need to stop and turn back. Otherwise it is the same road WoW went, when the it with its core themes of Azeroth, its heroes and factions slowly turned into MCU Phase 4 multiverse BS, culminating with people punching in the face basicely the Death Incarnate itself. Not everything can be, should be and needs to be Dragon Ball with endless escalation of stakes. We don't need endless stream of new continents, timelines and parallel dimensions with "upload your mind to PC" cyberpunk people to have a good story.
For me, I am physically disabled, constantly in pain as in 7/10 minimum, I play FF14 for a distraction from the pain. I can't do current savage, ultimate or ex content. I am considering if this game is actually for me any more.
we need to boycott ff xiv. i stopped playing after struggling to finishing the recent expansion. they clearly aren’t not investing back into xiv and using its profits for other things. so please if you want xiv to get back on top, let it fizzle out so they have to try again.
Good luck with that. Western consumers are surprisingly spineless. Sure, they'll moan like no tomorrow, but when they are even slightly inconvenienced, they will cave in. Most of these people saying they never come back make me laugh, because you know they'll be back by the next patch, or by the next expansion at the latest. Also, congratulations on finding out how basic budgeting works within a company. Yes, they will take some of the profits this game makes and use it to fund other projects within the company. edit: also, could you please provide example(s) of how they are not investing into the game? And in comparison to what? Matta fact, what exactly do you want to boycott?
It needs to fundamentally overhaul core systems. I don't really see them being able to do that any time soon, so I've already moved on to Throne and Liberty and Naraka. I only dabble with FFXIV to keep my fiance happy (ironic, since I was the one who brought her to the game).
giving free rein to the lousy juniors, low budget and non-existent QC tells me this game is being milked into maintenance mode. Yoshi-P and the oldguard not looking after DT more carefully this time (especially after 6.0) is telling their content pipeline is also worst than years before and all this new Chinese companies pumping AAA content every 6 weeks means no way this archaic Japanese company can compete bye bye 14
Yes, this format is great. And l am the one person in the back of the room that logs in to play 5v5 everyday and find nothing is wrong with the game,lol
40:45 I mean I would agree that CAR is the best thing that happened on DT for content but there 2 big issue, the plan was suppose to be Extreme level but its become entry level Savage difficulty and it came out too late. Body check is so punishing that PF has been a nightmare for the first 2 weeks where it takes 1 person to leave to mess up a 24 man group. I honestly like the difficulty but for some is unbearable and it will leave a bad taste for their first impression. But my biggest issue is how late it was out. Why was this not out sooner? The rewards of getting more 730 ilvl gear is great but why is this out when its a few months before the next wing will come out and make most of the reward obsolete. Also we don't have confirmation on when is the next CAR will come out or I dare say if there will be any at all for this expansion.
Dawntrail felt like a chore to play thru. Even if they launch another expac like shadowbringer, im not coming back. After cancelling my sub, ive been enjoying other games and luckily found other, much better, mmo(s).
Always good to hear from 2 Singkahpoh langs! Yah I also haven't been playing DT sia... actually thinking of getting a skip when the next expansion drops...
i just want to log on and grind something meaningful for character progression without torturing myself in PF ill probably not bother with the game anymore until they can figure this out
23:44: This hits the nail on the coffin as to why there will never be fundamental changes to FFXIV like enhancing class fantasy or promoting player engagement in the same way WoW does it. Completely different culture. Western MMOs have intrinsically different philosophical differences compared to eastern MMOs from my experience, which all stems from what the community will put up with. I kind of wish they had developed a system where a native company would make intrinsic changes to the game depending on that region's preferences. For example, NetEase's version of WoW is very different than NA's version of WoW especially when it comes to microtransactions. S.K.'s version of FFXIV allows you to buy a LOT of glams you would normally grind for in-game through store shops. I wish FFXIV had a specific NA/EU company that made gameplay / system changes that only appealed to NA/EU gamers since a lot of people really want that class fantasy + group content you get from either WoW (retail or Classic) or even newer western mmos like Ashes of Creation. People adhere more to the holy trinity of rpgs (tank, dps, healer) here than they do in JP, which is why all jobs are just some variation of DPs in XIV. Western content makers can complain about that but unless SE has financial incentive to make these changes specific for their individual regions, they have to understand SE will probably not cater to them. I've long accepted this and actively unsub to either game whenever I get tired of whatever one or the other has to offer.
Other versions of wow are good thing and i don't understand why they don't let you play ff11 in ff14 sub. Main point of ff 14 is the main story, if story is good people will swallow time when there is not that much content, but when story is not good and there is nothing to do if you are not a raider then people are not happy. Everyone know that wuk lamat is in the center of the problems with the story and they still push her in post patches. Also im sure there are some corporate greedy people in Square Enix and they the problem, becuase they are the reason why last collaboration between ff 14 and ff brave exodius wasn't a fun farmable content but glams for mog station to make more $. Also they should save some other reflection they are the chance to give player completely new world what could fill content for few expansions, but we are loosing reflections very fast, most impactful void one done in post patches, sphene reflection done without even seeing a little part. How much land we even have left in the source to explore?
On the question of whether or not it's complacency or arrogance, I'd say it's a bit of both as there were a bunch of parts in the narrative that were downright lazy and noncommittal.
Man I wont lie, but I've been looking for an excuse to start playing ffxiv again, but the story (not all of it) just left a bad taste in my mouth and im not as invested anymore. I'm the kind of person that loves gearing up characters and the whole min maxing of stats, but everything about it in FFXIV feels way too streamlined and boring and everyone just wears the same gear sets and there is no variation and its been like that for years. For the longest time I played Savage with my friends group but at some point even that was not enjoyable anymore. Or rather I didn't feel like the time and effort spend was worth the reward and I stopped raiding. Then it hit me, what else is there to do other then raiding or endcontent in general... PVP is just not good enough to really get invested in, housing is cool when you actually have a house to work on. For the longest time I was just farming materials and maxing my crafting gear out untill I just stopped. What is your experience with this guys because this is just my personal experience.
Make Squareenix good again Yoshi-P for CEO, that would be so cool man and I know the compnay be producting good games, i mean they do already, but some of the games they made in the past few years is a umm welll yeah.. but yeah i'm happy to hear yoshi-p is hanging on to FFXIV, FFXIV is very special Final Fanasy game to me man, honestly I want all the best for it.. i do complain a lot about this game to my friends lol, but I don't hate the game man, FFXIV is top tier game man, but yeah Dawntrail needs something man, story of dawntrail is very Yawntrail im not making fun of it, its the truth man...
The job of a producer is to dispatch the budget into proper department and we know that they dont get what they earned, because they have to sustain other projects and shareholders. So when a big money sink like the graphical update is coming, he has to choose which departement will get a cut, for me dawntrail is the sacrifice xpac but im sure the futur will be better.
Beginning of 16 is slow af, beginning of 14 was slow af, ARR is literally called a "filter" by the community even after it had scissors taken to it multiple times to help the pacing. They're just shite at telling the start of a story, always have been, and that's with 4k hours of playtime.
Most disingenuous title, on a reddit level take. FFXIV is doing fantastic still, regularly has servers just stop being able to provide instances queues due to sheer numbers of players. This is WoW brain infesting FFXIV. Stuck in a interpersonal bubble with no actual line of communication to the outside world.
Okay, there's definitely some hyperbole going around but objectively the game is not doing 'fantastic'. It's sitting at mixed reviews, the story (the foundation of the game) has been received pretty badly and it's bleeding players at a concerning rate.
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All I remember is that Yoshi and his team keep pushing that this expac will be like going on a vaca. Imagine the whiplash I got when I saw that it is is just a big baby sitter gig...
The reality is the devs went on vacation.
"Estinien got the vacation expansion we were all promised....while we had to babysit the brat."
I feel like the devs went on a lackluster vacation to Central America with a bored tour guide while watching somebody's child bounce off the walls of the tour bus, and thought 'Yes, this is exactly how vacations are.'
Its BARELY baby sitting to be honest, more like a glorified game of follow the leader with a side of chores and fetch quests
The excessive amount of what was essentially cheeky winking didn't clue you into the fact that this wasn't going to be a vacation at all?
My expectation for DT was something along ARR 2.0. A low-stake but still intriguing plotline. Some conflicts that linger in the background to bite me in the ass if I'm not careful. But everything was solved within a handful of quests. Unimportant stuff got dragged on forever and important stuff was rushed like hell. And then, all of a sudden we were confronted with another world ending doom. No proper buildup. It was just there. Right in our faces. it was like: "There you have it. Now get emotional". Thats not how things work. Player got emotional in the expansions before because of the buildup. Because of the friendships and connections we as the WoL build during our journey. Because the characters we met felt like real people with relateable flaws and not like some perfect cardboard cutout. These characters made us feel through their actions and their doing, not because they told us what to feel like it happened in DT. For me DT feels like two different expansions butchered into one.
"It feels like we were doing beast tribes." ooof ! The comment hit the mark haha.
I agree with Quazii - I also think the most jarring thing overall with Dawntrail it's been handled like a different game. The communications are very different and less frequent, the marketing material doesn't seem to align with what we received, the quality control went from praiseworthy to just bad, the story quality went down DRAMATICALLY (and it's not about what HAPPENS in the story - it's about how it's written! Basic storytelling fundamentals, character writing, pacing), and despite the graphic update, it's looking cheap. Barely any new music (and very weird music placement), very little voice acting, very little gameplay...etc. It feels like something's going wrong at CBU3 right now, or like Quazii joked, SE just made it go into maintenance mode and we were not informed.
Remember that documentary about saving FFXIV that everyone used to talk about and react to? I feel like YoshiP should rewatch it. There's things that he says that don't align with the way the game is being handled today.
Because of the way he acted back then, they got a lot of good faith from the community to the point there were diehard defenders of whatever the dev team did, and that's why a lot of people during Endwalker still defended it, and we were waiting for the "filler episode" to be over - because we trusted them. Now a lot of time's gone by and they're exhausting that good faith, and as time goes by and he doesn't talk about the negative feedback, doesn't address the issues, more and more people get the feeling of getting left behind - something he talked about not wanting the 1.0 players to feel.
The most worrying part however IS the story, and not only because it's so bad that I don't know what they will do in the future, but WHY has it become like that?! Why are the characters so off? Why is it written like it's for children? Why are there so many inconsistencies, like the writers didn't even read the story before it? How did they allow it to be released like that? Isn't this type of thing something they could've seen from the beginning?
Arthars said at some point "Ishikawa is doing a good work supervising", but to me it feels like she didn't even read the story at all, because this is so below the quality level of the work we know from her. What is it that she is doing for FFXIV right now?
YoshiP certainly didn't play the game, because he's been answering nonsense about the story in interviews, like he's referring maybe to an initial concept of it that didn't make it to the end. And also, I'm always getting the impression he is barely in the office anymore - he spent the entire year going to a lot of events everywhere in the world, and even his New Year's greeting was about planning for next Fanfest.
Shouldn't there be more competent people in the team that they could trust that could tell something was wrong for the beginning and course correct? The big question is, what happened?
I appreciate content creators talking about it. I don't like the idea of "can't talk about it or we're not going to the media tour again", and I really hope that isn't true and we get to see you both in the next one. YoshiP himself said "A complaint is worth twice a compliment" - if we're complaining, that means we still care! So I hope he remembers his own words right now.
They should also take a note of the First Descendant devs. They are the prime example of listening to the community, including feedback, cutting out the bs and innovating and innovating. Say what you want about the game but that's the reality. I feel like they are the very old guard of FFXIV but even better. Now we dont know how much of this is Yoshis doing or the higher ups meddling, but things need to be set right for sure.
I definitely agree that these are good discussions to be having, I do hope we can return to people praising the game again! I have a feeling the "can't talk about it or we're not going to the media tour again" isn't going to be an issue though considering that Zepla called the devs lazy and tore apart the game and still got invited back to media tour, it's clear the devs aren't against criticism for the game. I'm hoping that this story is just a fluke and we keep getting good content, the dungeons and trials are amazing content and the Arcadion is a phenomenal raid series, so if they put the same effort they're putting into gameplay and graphics then I'm optimistic about the future.
What I liked in the MSQ before that there were always events that made us think. That made us question our own viewpoints, our moral compass, our motives, our reasons. It was never ever only sunshine and rainbows. Our involvement had consequences for the good and the worse. HW for example. We made the truth public and our actions caused the destabilisation of the whole nation. People got injured because of our doing. Aymeric got stabbed and a child got thrown down from a church. In ShB we did similiar stuff in Eulmore. We uncover the truth and crushed everyones hope living there. The game showed us and let us experience that actions have consequences. That nothing is or can be undone with just a head nod or a smile. People of Garlemald rather died than trust us because they were told for years that we are the bad ones. In DT there is no moral compass, there are no consequences. Bakool Ja ja released a beast who was responsible for a lot of deaths and nobody cares. His actions had no consequences. Mamool Jas using eugenics because living under high trees, seeing no sun and eating only bananas isnt what they wanted for their life. All forgiven instantly because they had a bad time. The message in DT is: You can do cruel and terrible things but dont worry. Everything is forgotten and forgiven as long as you smile. Thats a horrible wrong message.
I think the game direction changed at some critical point in development. That is why a ton of story elements do not line up, random stuff is not voice acted etc. They chopped up whatever they had and put something different together for launch.
The thing is Square as a company is a decade behind trends. You can sort of see how they shifted in tone and overall handling of the community with DT. They went from very hands on and responsive (where most devs were like this mid 2000's- early 2010s). To very hands off, robotic and corporate (2015-2024 ish) on how they were handling the community as of now. Everything they have been doing currently is behind even the self-insertion of a flat character that checks all the right checkboxes instead of being organic in nature. That's sort of been Square's MO since the mid 2000s, always behind never leading.
The writing is juvenile, the pacing was waaaaaaay off. Its like a crappy shonen anime combined with a childrens show. They mashed Dawntrail and rushed and slowed again. Its the same as Endwalker, two expansions mashed into one. Why did they rush Endwalker to make Dawntrail? Were they really rushing for DAWNTRAIL? I think its arrogance and complacency both. THE START OF THE SAGA is not an excuse, YOU HAVE TO WRITE A GOOD STORY STILL.
I wish DT actually had been a beack vacation. Just had us go to Tural because we got a clue for a treasure hunt for the Golden City, Wuk could have been a happy go lucky kind of tour guide that introduced us to customs and guided us around instead of the stupid trials, we could have found Valigarmanda naturally while exploring some hidden ruins or something, and eventually found the Golden City where we could have just focused on Sphene, we think she's a friend but she's actually an evil AI thing trying to get info from us to get to Eorzea to eat everyone's souls, we beat her, get the cup, fun and drinks all around without all the childish Dora the Explorer Wuk baby sitting.
I just hope the next expansion, they truly get it together. They can make a comeback, Stormblood 2.0, but I worry that so much bad stuff was not caught and fixed in DT. If they can't see the issues or don't care anymore, then the game is cooked.
The part where Arthars was talking about people having a break for a few years and 'will they still remember in a few years' yeeeah, I feel that.
Every MMO kind of runs that risk, WoW and Destiny have already experienced their 'story heat-death' moments in a way and now it's FF's turn.
A lot of people saw Legion as the culmination of the Warcraft 3 > WoW story. And BFA/Shadowlands heavily compounded that by nuking the rest of the threads.
Similarly a tonne of people saw The Final Shape as the culmination of the Destiny story, and a lot of the community was already clinging on to just see the story through after the letdown of Lightfall.
That's not me saying 'the Dawntrail situation was unavoidable'. If anything it's the opposite. Past experience tells us they NEEDED to cook with DT. Let the community know the best is yet to come. Even if people take a break, as a lot will now the story they personally invested in is resolved, you want that little voice in the back of their heads thats like 'yo, you should keep an eye on FF, it's gonna kick off later'. But I dont think DT managed to achieve that. If anything it seems to have done the opposite. Rather than showing how much the game can grow beyond its past confines, they've shown its potential to fall off now the tried and true formula can't be relied on.
Personally I don't think it's all doom and gloom YET. I half-expected this kind of sentiment, I just didn't expect how justified it would be.
I'm like Quazii, I came in during the golden age. Back end of Shadowbringers, finishing the MSQ JUST in time for EW release, and then being a daily since then. And man, it almost (note, i said ALMOST) gave me whiplash as bad as Shadowlands/Lightfall did. If I'm being honest those two other huge letdowns enhanced my love of FF14 because it was the satisfying payoff that WoW and Destiny denied me. This is gonna sound daft, but my first time playing through Amaurot I had an actual emotional moment when we entered the area after the 2nd boss. All of that disappointment from WoW and Destiny came flooding back and I was just like 'holy shit, THIS is what i was looking for all that time.' No storytelling through implication. It was ALL show, don't tell. We've implied this apocalypse for two expansions. Now walk through it and see it at the city level. Now go to space and see it at the planetary level. Now experience it in the current day. Now stop it.
I know the community had its own feelings about how the Final Days was presented and explained and genuinely if I'd been here since the start I would have probably felt the same. But I wasn't. I was in this sweet spot where I hadnt caught all the earlier speculation, and a lot of the retconning that had happened was just my core canon because i didnt absorb enough of the previous canon before the retcons redefined it. So it just worked, and flowed, and carried through right to the end. My ONE gripe with EW's story is that the Final Days didnt spread aywhere near far enough. That one moment where Krile hallucenated it at the end got me really pumped because us forcing our way through Ultima Thule while the Final Days is gradually fucking up Old Sharleyan would have been the ultimate ticking clock. But I think they leaned away from that because the narrative of Ultima Thule needed a more gradual progression to tell its story. Which is their call, but I think they made the wrong one. We should have seen Ul Dah falling. Limsa overrun with fiends. Gridania on fire.
We kind of had the same issue with Living Memory on a much larger scale, where the pacing of the zone narrative directly flew in the face of the world narrative. 'Oh shit this AI demigod is about to break through the barrier between realities and ivade other worlds to harvest its souls. Sounds like a good time for ice cream and chats with the locals'. Like ?????????????????. And the fact they crammed Krile's ENTIRE backstory exposition into this section that was already taking way longer than the overarcing story demanded was even worse. And the kicker? It was Wuk slowing us down with her constant i nEeD tO uNdErStAnD eVeRyThInG aBoUt EvErYoNe. No you don't. Shut up.
I appreciated that it was like a cute inversion of Ultima Thule while also being an echo of Emet's ideology but with us in his shoes. I thought that was clever. But god damn whoever structured that last section of the MSQ needs to take some serious notes.
Anyway I've yapped on for more than long enough. Tl;dr purely in terms of the narrative I don't know what to think at the minute. We'll just have to see how the rest of DT pans out cause lets be fair, StB .0 msq was kind of ehhh in a lot of the ways DT is. But .2 to .5 was absolute fire patch to patch. So there's hope. And I really really do hope cause I don't want this to be round 3.
Ishikawa, save us.
Thank you for taking the time to write this. I resonate a lot with the same themes you expressed. Here’s to better days ahead 🍻
Life is a cycle, bound to ups and downs, truly something a lot of people miss. No one can be king forever. Yet a lot of that is their own fault or the meddling of higher ups. Just look at WoW now for example, it's doing a comeback and going full swing at FFXIV.
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13:00 IMO they did sorta "address" it, by NOT addressing it. The fact that the MSQ writer is NOWHERE TO BE FOUND in any community events tells me alot. Remember after Shadowbringers when they bought Ishikawa to PAX? When they came to PAX after DT they left the MSQ writer at home. IMO they are WELL aware of just how much we did not enjoy the DT MSQ.
You might be onto something. They brought Ishikawa to Pax in Australia last year post DT.
It's a shame that Ishikawa is no longer the lead writer. I hope that Daichi Hiroi, Dawntrail's lead writer, can make a turn around and fix this msq story that he's made a mess of.
@@richardwicker8456 Im hoping he gets reassigned. We need a writer, not a 'that guy' writer. If you want to know what that means its basically someone who writes a character that is designed specifically to steal the spotlight away from the player characters. That is designed to make the players annoyed and push them away from the enjoyment.
DT just feels like an overall disrespect to the player's agency as a whole.
Ishikawa please save us
crazy that they let her go..........insane
I loved FFXIV because of the story. Please fix DT and make the story great again. The world is crazy and we need hope, even if it is in a game.
The problem with the game is that its content doesn't last long enough or is not refreshing enough. As a retired raider who has now transitioned to being a casual player, I just want to enjoy my time in FFXIV with content I can return to every day-content that lasts longer than just a few hours.
Additionally, there are many outdated systems in the game that need tweaking, especially concerning open-world content:
Hunt System: It's been the same from Heavensward to the present, lacking innovation.
Fates: Since A Realm Reborn (ARR) through to Endwalker (DW), they've essentially been copy-pasted without introducing anything new or interesting.
Housing: This aspect also feels outdated and in need of updates.
Maps: Similarly, there's nothing new here.
Beyond these points, there's little incentive to revisit older areas, as we've been engaging with these same systems for over 10 years without any groundbreaking new ideas being introduced.
My personal Cope is that CBU3 gave free reins to the juniors member for the story.
As the boys from GG pointed out the tone of the story appears to be from a significantly younger perspective unlike what we had so far.
In an interview Fromsoftware's Miyasaki said that one of their keys to success and transmission of knowledge from senior to junior was letting their juniors the opportunity to fail as a learning experience (albeit in project of lower scope).
Still thats just my pet theory but given the expansion is a new beginning and as Yoshi-P pointed out they didnt quite know where to start with yet and anticipated multiple way to go from depending on what was well received, i feel like that would be the best time for that if any.
I feel like the story aside the rest of the expansion is pretty similar in quality to what we had so far, the only part of DT that feel like kind of sore point to me is we were kinda promised like 200% content or something and so far its been very much like ew hopefully 7.2 onwards.
edit: Funnily, i would prolly not engage in that content in the first place, but it feels like being finessed.
1:04:34 What's funny is that...Discord was actually invented because the creator thought FF14's communication system was bad lmao
Here's the problem some content creators don't get about Chaotic Alliance Raid because they're known or have a community willing to prog with them for hours. Casual players that have 2 or 3 hours a day or a week cannot stay long in PF to prog it. You end up spending most of your time waiting for the alliance to fill up than the time you actually prog. Then a couple of people quit and the alliance breaks. It disheartens people to keep going because it's cursed. too many moving parts, too many possible points of failure. That's what makes it harder to clear, not the mechanics.
I kinda agree that it seems like XIV wasn't planned to live this long. They probably didn't have a general road map of what features they planned ahead. If they did have road map, they would've slowly entangled the so called spaghetti code to make way for future features and not getting road block of unable to implement features due to spaghetti code these days. Unfortunately, this may mean that we won't get any revolutionary features any time soon due to the spaghetti code. If it's not for SE finance is not going too well these days, it's probably better to just make new MMO after EW.
8.0 will probably gonna be a make it or break it expansion for XIV. I hope they can get things together during this patch cycle and learn from all the criticism. We know many people still love this game since they still criticize it. When no one criticize it anymore, no one left that care for the game.
This was an expansion based on lies. The biggest one was the implicit promise of maintaining Yoshi-P and CE3 quality. I have zero evidence, but I believe FFXIV is in maintenance mode, either the people involved moved to other projects or positions or the team is seriously under budgeted. Baffling turn of events given that FFXIV is SE more profitable product.
Wonder if the team has been moved to development of a new MMO. It would make sense. FFXIV is getting pretty long in the tooth. It takes years to bring an MMO to launch. Now would be a good time to start that process.
Just went and looked at the time difference between 11 and 14. 11 launched, in Japan, in 2002. 2.0 for 14 launched in 2013. A difference of 11 years. FFXIV is now 12 years old. It makes sense theyre working on the next one.
This ship is going to keep sinking.
They should have stopped at EW and put their efforts into a new mmo.
Once they remove wuk lamat, yes
My main issue, since Shadowbringers really, has been the job/role design.
It is the lens through which you experience all combat gameplay, so if that lens is bad it will sour the entire experience.
No matter how good they make the mechanics, the raids, the dungeons or whatever new battle content they introduce, if the jobs I'm playing are boring then the fun will run out fast and nothing but monotony is left.
Bad job design hurts the overall replayability of all battle content.
As a comparison the story in Stormblood wasn't exactly amazing either but I had no issue running the exact same 3 dungeons over and over because just playing different jobs in it, even just the different tanks, gave you a different experience and distinctly different playstyle. Savage as well was a very different experience between playing Warrior, Paladin and Dark Knight or between Scholar, Astro and White Mage.
But in the last two expansions I've not done the battle content more than absolutely necessary, even savage. Because playing a different job within any of the support roles barely changes anything, they play so similarly that you just kind of go through the motions and the almost absent minded nature of it makes me lose interest quickly.
I can only do my filler rotation, burst every 60 seconds, mitigate a buster every ~90 seconds or spam a filler spell and hit an oGCD heal/mit every minute for so long before I get fed up with performing the exact same actions in the exact same rhythm over and over.
Everyone is speaking about dawntrail, without realizing that endwalker was already the problem. Nothing new at all except sanctuary island (a solo content in a mmorpg, gg). The msq is not only the problem but everyone only speak about the story...
That compounds the point they make though. FF is one of those games where as long as the story cooks, everything else can survive purely on its merit. EW is the biggest example of that because you're right, it was hugely lacking in other content. but it was still huge by the end of EW because the story carried it the whole way. DT doesnt have that luxury because the story doesnt carry it.
The one plus side of that is it almost seems like the team expected that and mitigated it by giving us 10/10 battle content. But that only works for so long. If the story doesnt pick up, sooner or later it wont matter what kind of fire battle content they add because no one will see it
Really enjoyed it, keep up the great work
Enjoyed the podcast. Looking forward to the next episode.
The writing should be on the wall when Viera/Hrothgar aren't being fixed for 7 years now. As long as SE denies ff14 the budget and the team isn't compassionate about the game (like the poor writing). Nothing can be saved.
That's the bottom line.
I'd imagine "saving" and "salvage" could work one in the same, but in this case I think it's more important to salvage the community rather than the expansion.
From the patch-pacing, to the launch day, to the PR statements: Nothing about Dawntrail feels like it could be redeemed (if we're following how the veterans have felt since...what, mid-Stormblood?), and already the long-time subscribers are waiting to see if 8.0 is the final nail in the coffin. It's not just Dawntrail; it's the entire system that has eroded with longer waiting periods and less content added to each one. It's the start of 2025, so we'll see how things progress, but I would temper my positive expectations at this point.
I've already had the rug pulled from under me since Dawntrail launched and the entire sh*tshow that has unraveled since its debut, so I beg pardon when I say that I do not expect any endeavors from Square/FFXIV to reflect a manner that suggests they listen and respond well to constructive criticism. I'm not a long-time veteran, but I entirely agree with the sentiments being said about the Job system, combat, and the overall stale feeling that has been carried over. Giving new things to do masks that, but taking away GCDs, homogenizing them, and/or taking away unique spells and merging them (or flat out removing them) is a small detail that has merely been inflated with how poorly DT has been going. It's a long process of shaving off the iceberg until it gets to the point when they are overselling the value of the product (not to mention this is the most I've seen in errors, untranslated JP-to-EN, and disconnected storytelling in this game).
Many a little makes a mickle, and I think DT is simply a culmination of many things building over time and the breaking point for many. You can still have fun, but I wouldn't call Dawntrail good by contrast to what has been, and what competitors have been giving for roughly the same price. I'll still watch and see what we get in the future, and if it's worth it to me then I'll keep playing and paying.
FRU is way easier than the last 2, but calling it easier than UWU or UCOB is a stretch. It is about on par with TEA. Those had lower clearrates on patch yes, but there were much less ultimate raiders and people weren't playing as well. There is nothing as hard as UR, Triple Apoc or Crystallize Time in any of those fights (except Wormhole).
6.x was the trial series promoted to MSQ content. Also, lack of endgame content is what kills MMOs. The WoW devs understand this.
Nah but as everyone knows, yoship is great at reviving a dead game, so this is what dawntrail is, he's killing it before giving us a heavensward 2.0😂
It feels at home having two SEA ffxiv content creator doing podcast together. 😊
7.0 made me quit my sub since i started playing with stormbloods first patch. I really don't see a point in returning for 8.0 even if the story looks good because I don't want to spend an hour skipping cutscenes and I'll be damned if I spend an extra 20$ or whatever on a story skip for 1 expacs patch content so now 8.0 also needs to have even MORE of the WOW! factor for me to return... and I'm an idiot that will spend 40$ or more a month on gacha games.
ALso with Wuk Lamat, the issue is two fold. How she is written, and the voice actor was just okay. In a sea of great VA she hits like a brick wall. If you removed the VA, wk lamat would still be a shit character, but if you improved wuk lamats story the va would still hit like a ton of bricks... only real solution is to phase wuk lamat out of the story but I doubt they will.
I dont think it's a coincidence that the expac that had a new lead writer is also the worst expac they've released.
I should be studying but I really want to hear your point of view on the whole XIV situation. One and a half hour podcast with Arthars and Quazii is insane :)
1:03:50 it would involve taking the game servers down for at best a couple of years. I support getting a better engine for ffxiv, but this is never going to happen when ffxiv is needed to provide funding for SE's other shit games
awesome!! 2 of my favorite youtuber!!!
I like the relic grind cause all the older Final Fantssy games always have hidden relic to find in the game world so the FFXIV relic grind just brings back that grind to get the relic weapon shadowbringer done it so well.
I loved EW 6.0 a lot. But the patchcontent was halfbaked and felt like a big void. For me 7.0 is really bad. I truly was never so bored while doing MSQ. And still void and nothing interesting accessible to do.
Arthars is right on differences of how Japanese ppl consume content and westerners/others consume content. JP players approach content on I will play all, if I like it I will continue playing. If I don't like it I'll at least do it once, if I don't have the time I'll pick ones that are priority/important to me than clear the rest when I am done. While western/others players literally chooses the content from the get go and refuse to even visit or even touch the others and then we get the "I have nothing to do in this game." It shows on luckybancho statistics that JP time and time again always have high clear rates.
But even in the midst of the enduring japanese players uneasiness grows about recent developments - that is a bad sign. As I said, we dont know how "bad" it really is atm but things shouldn't get too dire.
🎉🎉keep it up ❤ love the podscast
Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde of FF14
Part of me is worried that they used the laid back vacation vibes to set a lower bar.
Oh look, Arthars, a man of abuse (who has been banned multiple times because of it), and bad ideas (including berating the devs for not having skill trees before walking that back).
Let's make our voices heard, but avoid dumb stuff like "cAn iT bE saVed!?". I get it it's easy clicks and mindlessly easy content to create, but we are seeing in real-time that a lot of issues raised in EW are being addressed. Let's have more than one data point and "vibes" before we declare that a game is dead and needs to be saved.
Or just keep making drivel and further enrage people. Always thought we should be adding more Twitter into FFXIV. /s
8:57 i agree! And thinking about it, I feel like they did cut some parts out but at the wrong times because there were moments in the story that felt completely skipped 💀. Like Bakool Ja Ja releasing the world ending beast and NOBODY giving him grief for it??? Lmao surely there was a scene cut out
given how badly written and paced dawntrail is I don't think that was cut out
Pffft lol
Honestly I don't think it was.
It constantly cracks me up how right at the beginning before they all set off, they put a shittonne of emphasis on just how easy it would be to gt themselves disqualified by being sketchy.
Bakool then proceeds to sketchy disqualifiable shit in EVERY SINGLE ZONE and everyones just like 'o nooo so scawy'
Maybe it was meant to show the cultural perception of a Blessed Son. Like maybe they just didnt dare disqualify him because culture dictates it SHOULD be him. But if that was their intention, they didnt do anywhere near enough to let the viewer know that. Especially after Vali. The fact he just got to swan out of there with no repercussions was actually immersion-breaking. It made NO sense.
oddly enough he was still allowed to participate after doing such thing lol.
For being in your 40s you two aged like a fine wine, as does your content.
Bro this is awesome! Great to see you two on the same podcast, would love to see a third guest speaker in future podcast like zepla or lulu and have you guys talk about feature wishlist on how to innovate and update systems in this game cause god knows the game needs it
Thanks for the video, really good to listen to while at work. I'm going to take a break from the game for now as I feel like voting with your wallet is always the best approach when dealing with these sorts of large companies. Would love to hear you guys talk about other games as well in the future.
After today's bomb-lobbing by WoW regarding player housing, I think FFXIV has an uphill battle. Outdated housing/glamour systems weren't really tolerable when the story was good, but now with the story being as bad as it is... It's hard to stay motivated to keep playing, even with the gameplay being at its best quality for years.
Gameplay is stale and boring.
This is "The best" to you? The game is doomed...
@@MellowFungus Yes, the classes I play are in the best spot they've ever been, and the dungeons and raids are fun.
All I'm gonna say is I've played WoW for 15 years and trust me bro, DO NOT get too invested in housing yet
Blizzard are incredibly good at making new features sound like the game changer. But the reality of release usually brings those things crashing to the ground.
I'm not saying this in an 'FF vs WoW' kind of way, functionally its going to improve on FF's iteration in a lot of ways purely because of how WoW is designed in the backend. It's modular in a way FF clearly isn't, hence the endless 'spaghetti code' meme.
Buuuut speaking solely as a WoW veteran,. don't get your hopes up. Be cautiosly optimistic. It's always the best way to approach WoW content
@@MellowFungus Battle content is the most varied it's been in years. It also has one of the most unique fights we've had in years. The functionality of jobs in PvP has entirely changed. Every single job got some really solid additions to their kit. Every boss at the far end has had some unique, fresh mechanics.
Like there's a million things you can say to criticise DT, but to say the battle content is stale and boring is just flat out insincere, and that's not helping anybody.
@@GorehowlBeardhead Don't worry, I've tried to get into WoW at least 5 times, but it never stuck with me. FFXIV by contrast was an instant match, at least when Shadowbringers came out.
This is amazing. Please do more. But I agree with you guys, Dawntrail feels worse than stormblood
1:27:53 I thought I drop something because that sound.
You play picto because it's broken
I play Picto because I love VI
We are not the same
you're very special unlike us.
That whole "people didn’t know what to expect" argument feels like a total cop-out. Anyone paying attention knew Chaotic was going to be a high-end fight, so acting like the surprise factor is the problem just misses the mark. The real issue is how miserable it is to engage with repeatedly.
Like you said, it's completely doable-if you’ve got the patience and the right group-but the way it’s structured just doesn’t fit the raiding culture in NA/EU which is smaller, close knit and niche by design I might add. In comparison to JP data centers that have a different raid mentality. Even as someone who does EX's and Savage content - I'm not wasting time on Chaotic for it's bum rewards.
25:20: not to spam and this will be my last comment, but WoW also has a monopoly that most other games can't really rely on: nostalgia. Hey, is there a content drought on retail? No worries, play Classic WoW. Hey, are you getting bored of waiting for phased content to launch in Classic WoW? We gotcha covered, play some Season of Discovery where all we did was revamped some dungeons and raids and gave you retail spells in the form of runes to collect. Hey, are you bored of that now? Come back to retail, we have the Siren Isles coming out in a few hours...
See what I mean? No other MMO can do that. Blizzard effectively made a streaming service out of their game. There's no content drought if you can keep recycling like this and keeping players within the WoW ecosystem. It creates a lot of differing opinions on what WoW should be, but it keeps longtime subs within the loot treadmill until their long and dead. None of this really relies on a "good story" like FFXIV. Just a sea of content. So to Arthas' point where JP players feel like they need to complete everything, I would like to add that all versions of WoW simply have too much to complete when seen as a whole. So the hamster in the WoW treadmill might not complete everything but they have an overabundance of content to complete. Look at how popular Hardcore WoW is and that's just what if Classic WoW but permadeath. This seems to be more of a western mindset where players want to play the same game over and over again but they want to feel like they have an opt-in to what version they want.
With WoW, you may not complete every version of it, but you "feel" like you get your sub's worth because your 15USD gets you access to like 5 WoWs.
all good - i read them all anyways (: good insights.
playing FFXIV fo 10 years i love the MMORPG game, but idk dawntrail has no relic grind dude wtf .... :( Dawntrail is the worst expact of FFXIV i started since heavensward and yeah i like the graphic upgrade, but the story of dawntrail is not good, they lost touch.
The relic is always added in later patches. In the .1 patch saying there is no relic grind is just pointless 😀 it will be there later. And yes at other expansions they added them also this late.
@@SaraHungary i just miss shadowbringer relic grind :(
@@CRYPTiCEXiLE tbf I never finished one relic, I get bored of them really easily. I am waiting for this Cosmic exploration content to offer some new stuff. And I think they gonna do a relic similar to ShB, because too many people cried aout EW relic.
My one gripe with this is...... when did we start expecting relics in .1?
Heavensward, .15
Stormblood, .25
Shadowbringers, .25 (barely)
Endwalker, .25 (barely)
Dawntrail - 'wtf why is it not in .1'
Where did this come from? x]
I can understand 'we need it more front loaded because there's not much in .1' but this implication that its somehow unusual is completely lost on me
@@GorehowlBeardhead maybe cause i didnt felt liek i had my relic grind fix in Endwalker i know what your saying its too soon, but man endwalker was terrible for the relic weapon anyhow .. if u like that sure, but i miss the shadowbringer relic grind man.
Maybe CBU3's quality control was being influenced by something? Something that wasn't there to influence their decisions while developing past expansions? Maybe we all know exactly what this was but can't admit it for some reason?
But looking forward now that influence is gone, maybe things can go back to the way they were before...
I think that if you aren’t a raider and are someone genuinely invested in the story/more of a casual player, DT was a huge letdown.
I think the reason that there are so many RP venues now is because there really isn’t much for casual players to do.
Just like Yoshi-P originally drew inspiration from the peak of WoW, I'm hoping he imitates WoW's huge comeback with another FF14 comeback!
FFXIV needed ARR 2.0. Not Dawntrail. Return to the roots, to old places, stories and low stakes. Not "hey, let's just jump to the other side of the world to punch some cyberpunk aliens or whatever". When each expansion introduces more and more new stuff (like we had it before the Dawntrail), to clean the slate you need to stop and turn back.
Otherwise it is the same road WoW went, when the it with its core themes of Azeroth, its heroes and factions slowly turned into MCU Phase 4 multiverse BS, culminating with people punching in the face basicely the Death Incarnate itself.
Not everything can be, should be and needs to be Dragon Ball with endless escalation of stakes. We don't need endless stream of new continents, timelines and parallel dimensions with "upload your mind to PC" cyberpunk people to have a good story.
What a wholesome pairing backed up with a lot of knowledge =^_^=
For me, I am physically disabled, constantly in pain as in 7/10 minimum, I play FF14 for a distraction from the pain. I can't do current savage, ultimate or ex content. I am considering if this game is actually for me any more.
I think this news letter is an important one. They need to deliver.
Dawntrail is basically ARR from how i see things. Just a big exposition expansion, just a bunch of setup so it feels slow and boring.
arthars showing his gamer sweat under his armpits LMFAO
this duo is peak for an ff14 podcast
33:21 uuuuuuh
Arthars ghost roommate confirmed???
haha think that was his wife :D
we need to boycott ff xiv. i stopped playing after struggling to finishing the recent expansion. they clearly aren’t not investing back into xiv and using its profits for other things. so please if you want xiv to get back on top, let it fizzle out so they have to try again.
this ain't happening the rp/erp community will be happy as long as there are mogstation items to buy
Good luck with that. Western consumers are surprisingly spineless. Sure, they'll moan like no tomorrow, but when they are even slightly inconvenienced, they will cave in. Most of these people saying they never come back make me laugh, because you know they'll be back by the next patch, or by the next expansion at the latest.
Also, congratulations on finding out how basic budgeting works within a company. Yes, they will take some of the profits this game makes and use it to fund other projects within the company.
edit: also, could you please provide example(s) of how they are not investing into the game? And in comparison to what? Matta fact, what exactly do you want to boycott?
I stopped playing after leveling all jobs to Max in dawntrail and ngl the expac was beyond boring
Son theyve already had their reboot do or die moment. If it dies again it stays dead.
idt you understand what a boycott is
It needs to fundamentally overhaul core systems. I don't really see them being able to do that any time soon, so I've already moved on to Throne and Liberty and Naraka. I only dabble with FFXIV to keep my fiance happy (ironic, since I was the one who brought her to the game).
How did it happen? Because YoshiP also had to produce FF16 and the senior writer was also worked on another project. That’s why.
My two favorite streamers! Sign me up.
Keep doing these please they are great
giving free rein to the lousy juniors, low budget and non-existent QC tells me this game is being milked into maintenance mode. Yoshi-P and the oldguard not looking after DT more carefully this time (especially after 6.0) is telling
their content pipeline is also worst than years before and all this new Chinese companies pumping AAA content every 6 weeks means no way this archaic Japanese company can compete
bye bye 14
Imagine Yoshi saying this expac is a big vacation.. and you quit the game till a new expac... Truly a vacation from the game.
I'm all for this crossover episode
Yes, this format is great. And l am the one person in the back of the room that logs in to play 5v5 everyday and find nothing is wrong with the game,lol
40:45 I mean I would agree that CAR is the best thing that happened on DT for content but there 2 big issue, the plan was suppose to be Extreme level but its become entry level Savage difficulty and it came out too late.
Body check is so punishing that PF has been a nightmare for the first 2 weeks where it takes 1 person to leave to mess up a 24 man group. I honestly like the difficulty but for some is unbearable and it will leave a bad taste for their first impression.
But my biggest issue is how late it was out. Why was this not out sooner? The rewards of getting more 730 ilvl gear is great but why is this out when its a few months before the next wing will come out and make most of the reward obsolete.
Also we don't have confirmation on when is the next CAR will come out or I dare say if there will be any at all for this expansion.
Dawntrail felt like a chore to play thru. Even if they launch another expac like shadowbringer, im not coming back. After cancelling my sub, ive been enjoying other games and luckily found other, much better, mmo(s).
Always good to hear from 2 Singkahpoh langs! Yah I also haven't been playing DT sia... actually thinking of getting a skip when the next expansion drops...
i just want to log on and grind something meaningful for character progression without torturing myself in PF
ill probably not bother with the game anymore until they can figure this out
At this rate the next expansion will have 3 job class. Let not forget that their will not be a new race.
23:44: This hits the nail on the coffin as to why there will never be fundamental changes to FFXIV like enhancing class fantasy or promoting player engagement in the same way WoW does it. Completely different culture. Western MMOs have intrinsically different philosophical differences compared to eastern MMOs from my experience, which all stems from what the community will put up with. I kind of wish they had developed a system where a native company would make intrinsic changes to the game depending on that region's preferences. For example, NetEase's version of WoW is very different than NA's version of WoW especially when it comes to microtransactions. S.K.'s version of FFXIV allows you to buy a LOT of glams you would normally grind for in-game through store shops. I wish FFXIV had a specific NA/EU company that made gameplay / system changes that only appealed to NA/EU gamers since a lot of people really want that class fantasy + group content you get from either WoW (retail or Classic) or even newer western mmos like Ashes of Creation. People adhere more to the holy trinity of rpgs (tank, dps, healer) here than they do in JP, which is why all jobs are just some variation of DPs in XIV. Western content makers can complain about that but unless SE has financial incentive to make these changes specific for their individual regions, they have to understand SE will probably not cater to them.
I've long accepted this and actively unsub to either game whenever I get tired of whatever one or the other has to offer.
Dawntrail feels like it lost its soul to someones regulator 😅
Other versions of wow are good thing and i don't understand why they don't let you play ff11 in ff14 sub.
Main point of ff 14 is the main story, if story is good people will swallow time when there is not that much content, but when story is not good and there is nothing to do if you are not a raider then people are not happy. Everyone know that wuk lamat is in the center of the problems with the story and they still push her in post patches.
Also im sure there are some corporate greedy people in Square Enix and they the problem, becuase they are the reason why last collaboration between ff 14 and ff brave exodius wasn't a fun farmable content but glams for mog station to make more $.
Also they should save some other reflection they are the chance to give player completely new world what could fill content for few expansions, but we are loosing reflections very fast, most impactful void one done in post patches, sphene reflection done without even seeing a little part. How much land we even have left in the source to explore?
Great podcast!
On the question of whether or not it's complacency or arrogance, I'd say it's a bit of both as there were a bunch of parts in the narrative that were downright lazy and noncommittal.
Man I wont lie, but I've been looking for an excuse to start playing ffxiv again, but the story (not all of it) just left a bad taste in my mouth and im not as invested anymore. I'm the kind of person that loves gearing up characters and the whole min maxing of stats, but everything about it in FFXIV feels way too streamlined and boring and everyone just wears the same gear sets and there is no variation and its been like that for years. For the longest time I played Savage with my friends group but at some point even that was not enjoyable anymore. Or rather I didn't feel like the time and effort spend was worth the reward and I stopped raiding. Then it hit me, what else is there to do other then raiding or endcontent in general... PVP is just not good enough to really get invested in, housing is cool when you actually have a house to work on. For the longest time I was just farming materials and maxing my crafting gear out untill I just stopped. What is your experience with this guys because this is just my personal experience.
Make Squareenix good again Yoshi-P for CEO, that would be so cool man and I know the compnay be producting good games, i mean they do already, but some of the games they made in the past few years is a umm welll yeah.. but yeah i'm happy to hear yoshi-p is hanging on to FFXIV, FFXIV is very special Final Fanasy game to me man, honestly I want all the best for it.. i do complain a lot about this game to my friends lol, but I don't hate the game man, FFXIV is top tier game man, but yeah Dawntrail needs something man, story of dawntrail is very Yawntrail im not making fun of it, its the truth man...
maybe the more "stressful" content wasn't a good idea.
Good conversation.
CBU3 is working on FF16-2 so they cant talk right now
I don’t know why they advertised as an anime beach episode because that is always shallow forgettable filler 🤔
Going to watch this video!
Get a vibe that since EW patches, DEI has gotten more involved and really thrown a spanner in the works.
The only hope i have for ff14 right now is 8.0 changes or a dark knight rework
Yo! New content!
doubt it
The job of a producer is to dispatch the budget into proper department and we know that they dont get what they earned, because they have to sustain other projects and shareholders.
So when a big money sink like the graphical update is coming, he has to choose which departement will get a cut, for me dawntrail is the sacrifice xpac but im sure the futur will be better.
Then they wasted the money, the graphics update was a massive "meh"
Game looks dated, and it will be for the next ten years until the next update.
lol what graphical update, we can barely see any changes
@@dart_ this is an adult discussion, kindergarten is around the corner.
@@dart_ shoulda gone to Specsavers.
yeah i quit and i dont plan to return
its obvious this game is going to maintenance mode
Beginning of 16 is slow af, beginning of 14 was slow af, ARR is literally called a "filter" by the community even after it had scissors taken to it multiple times to help the pacing. They're just shite at telling the start of a story, always have been, and that's with 4k hours of playtime.
Edit down Dawntrail.
When did it die?
Next expansion locked behind ultimate raid.
Get gud !!
Most disingenuous title, on a reddit level take. FFXIV is doing fantastic still, regularly has servers just stop being able to provide instances queues due to sheer numbers of players. This is WoW brain infesting FFXIV. Stuck in a interpersonal bubble with no actual line of communication to the outside world.
we found the FFXIV fan who cannot take criticisms like the two were mentioning in the episode LOL
Cope harder. FFxiv is in absolute shit state
Okay, there's definitely some hyperbole going around but objectively the game is not doing 'fantastic'. It's sitting at mixed reviews, the story (the foundation of the game) has been received pretty badly and it's bleeding players at a concerning rate.
"this is fine" meme here
we found the blue haired r/ffxiv mod.